Piers Morgan Uncensored

Episode: “This Is a HORROR!” Alex Pretti Death Sparks ICE Frenzy | With Vincent Oshana
Date: January 27, 2026
Host: Piers Morgan
Featured Guests: Vincent Oshana, Mark Lewis, Lewis Goodall, Gillian Michaels, Julian

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, an ICU nurse killed during an ICE protest in Minneapolis. The discussion explores the escalating ICE enforcement under President Trump, the outcry over recent deaths at immigration protests, and the deeply entrenched political, legal, and moral battles over U.S. immigration. Piers Morgan leads a debate with a diverse panel, examining the implications for both U.S. policy and society, the effectiveness and consequences of current approaches, the prospects for bipartisan immigration reform, and the wider issues of gun rights and protest.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Alex Pretti Shooting: Catalyst for Debate

• The Incident and Its Fallout (04:31, 07:05, 15:43, 24:45)
  • Piers Morgan frames the episode around Alex Pretti’s killing at a protest, comparing it to a previous death (Renee Goode), and questions whether ICE's use of force is justified.
  • Video evidence discussed: None showed Pretti brandishing a weapon; he was disarmed before being shot.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “The crux of the matter is that Alex Pretti was not a domestic terrorist and he didn’t deserve to die.” – Piers Morgan (02:49)
    • "We’re watching protesters being demonized, people being criminalized and innocent people being executed in the streets. This is a horror." – Mark Lewis (00:40, 04:31)

Rising ICE Actions and Political Context

• Escalation under Trump (03:30, 07:05, 11:08)

  • Under Trump, border closures and aggressive ICE actions have become central policy, but lead to public horror as deaths occur during raids and protests.
  • Bipartisan consensus exists on deporting undocumented criminals, but lines blur regarding long-time undocumented residents.
  • Piers asks if detaining children and killing civilians was ever the intention of voters supporting stricter enforcement.

• Political Motivations and Hypocrisy (08:47, 11:08, 21:50)

  • Panelists argue over whether both major parties use immigration as political leverage, with Democrats accused of enabling migration for votes, and Republicans using enforcement for popularity.

The Panel Responds: Divisions and Commonalities

• Vincent Oshana’s “Law and Order” Perspective (05:55, 08:47, 10:44)

  • Defends ICE action, blames Minnesota’s "liberal" leaders for inciting confrontations, and connects immigration to crime and jobs.
  • Highlights cases of Americans harmed by undocumented immigrants, suggesting media bias and political calculation in coverage.
  • Quote: “Anybody that is here illegally... robbing the American taxpayer blind... 77 million people voted for mass deportation. Not just criminals. Everyone that came here illegally.” (32:32)
  • Acknowledges Pretti shouldn't have been shot, but puts responsibility on protestors: “He shouldn’t have been brainwashed to show up to a federal situation with a gun, regardless of his intentions, holding a camera. Period.” (42:12)

• Lewis Goodall: Fear in Immigrant Communities (15:43, 17:08, 36:21, 38:35)

  • Details terror in Minneapolis: “Even legal American citizens are worried about being picked up and detained for however long. Going to church, going to the supermarket... No one in the United States, even Trump voters, voted for that.” (15:43)
  • Stresses broad, bipartisan failure and the need for immigration reform, questioning the real motives behind enforcement in blue states.

• Mark Lewis: Constitutional and Human Rights (04:31, 28:06, 44:05)

  • Warns of constitutional violations and the creation of a police state: “When we see what's happening right now... it seems like the cruelty is the point.” (28:24)
  • Argues Pretti had the legal and moral right to protest; places blame squarely on officers for his killing.

• Julian: Calling for Practical Reform (24:45, 39:22)

  • Pushes for action, not finger-pointing, introducing the bipartisan Dignity Bill as a practical compromise: “The bigger question I have... how do we do what you just said and pass immigration reform?” (24:45)

• Gillian Michaels: Empathy and Moving Forward (24:21, 27:05)

  • Welcomes a shift toward empathy after previous incidents lacked humanity.
  • Urges panelists and listeners to press for reform and break out of cycles of political blame: "We're tearing each other apart. And this is what they want ... Both sides want this because the more we fight, the more it rallies the base." (39:22)

Broader Issues: Guns, Race, and Political Strategy

• Gun Rights Hypocrisy (07:05, 42:00)

  • Piers: "I've always been told, right to bear arms, Second Amendment ... Yet when this guy does it, suddenly this is wrong. I don't remember that being the way the Kyle Rittenhouse debate was framed." (07:05)
  • Closing banter pokes at America’s “gun culture,” with Piers joking he’s finally convinced Vinny of the merits of fewer guns. (45:05)

• Racial Politics of Immigration (28:20)

  • Mark Lewis: Enforcement targets specific ethnicities, not all undocumented immigrants equally; warns of double standards in public attitude and policy execution.

The Path Forward: Immigration Reform

• Universal Agreement is Elusive, but Some Consensus Emerges (26:03, 38:35)

  • Dignity Bill described as a potential bipartisan solution: tough border enforcement, E-Verify, path to legal status (but not citizenship) for long-term residents, with special consideration for children (Dreamers).
  • Ongoing skepticism remains about whether either party will act in good faith, or if political interests will continue to override substantive reform.

• Final Sentiments: Should Alex Pretti Have Been Shot? (41:48)

  • Unanimous among panelists: No, he should not have been shot.
    • But split remains on where blame lies: on law enforcement (Mark, Lewis, Julian) versus protestor’s choices (Vinny).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is a horror. The government is essentially waging war... we're watching protesters being deemed enemy of the states, unlawful raids, an assault on the Constitution."
  – Mark Lewis (04:31)

• "Everything that Mark said is factually false... I carry a 9 millimeter Hellcat Springfield gun... I don't take this gun and go to a federal agent ICE event... You don't do that. You know why, Piers? I'm not dumb."
  – Vinny Ashana (05:55)

• "If you don't have a border, you don't have a country."
  – Lewis Goodall, quoting Trump and Bernie Sanders (36:21)

• "The presumption is everyone is operating under the same premise and moving in good faith. I'm not convinced... the cruelty is the point."
  – Mark Lewis (28:28)

• "He absolutely should not have been shot, Piers. And he shouldn't have been brainwashed to show up to a freaking federal situation with a gun, regardless of what his intentions, holding a camera, Period."
  – Vinny Ashana (42:12)

• "We're tearing each other apart. And this is what they want... because the more we fight... the more it rallies both sides of the base."
  – Julian (39:22)

• Piers, wrapping up:
  "If we start from that position [that Pretti shouldn't have been shot]... I finally made some progress in my campaign to stop so many Americans carrying guns." (45:05)

Important Timestamps

• 04:31 – Mark Lewis calls ICE actions "a horror," raising constitutional concerns.
• 07:05 – Debate over whether Pretti threatened officers; Piers questions gun-rights consistency.
• 11:08 – Vinny and Piers argue about political impacts of ICE enforcement.
• 15:43 – Lewis describes atmosphere of fear among minorities in Twin Cities.
• 24:45 – Julian introduces the "Dignity Bill" for comprehensive immigration reform.
• 28:24 – Mark Lewis: "Cruelty is the point."
• 32:32 – Vinny supports mass deportations, including non-criminals.
• 36:21 – Lewis: "If you don't have a border, you don't have a country."
• 38:35 – Panel discusses political motivations in immigration enforcement.
• 41:48 – All panelists agree Pretti should not have been shot, but reasons differ.
• 44:05 – Mark Lewis insists the law and morality are with protestors; debate over who bears responsibility for Pretti's death.
• 45:05 – Piers jokes about finally convincing Vinny of gun control.

Tone & Style

• Highly combative but punctuated with moments of humor and rare agreement.
• Piers Morgan’s sharp, challenging moderation keeps conversation moving across ideological divides.
• Panelists use personal stories, statistics, and pointed rhetoric to convey perspectives.

Summary Takeaway

The episode illuminates the intensity and complexity of America’s immigration and protest debates in the wake of Alex Pretti’s death. While panelists split over causes and solutions, there’s growing urgency for realistic reform to ease the nation’s deep political and moral rifts—and a reminder that, regardless of politics, humanity and due process must anchor responses to tragedy.