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'We're NOT Giving An INCH!' Greenland PM Responds To Trump + Epstein Latest
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Donald Trump
Big, beautiful piece of ice. It's hard to call it land. It's a big piece of ice.
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Piers Morgan
Jens Friedrich Nielsen is the Prime Minister of that big, beautiful piece of ice. When you see the White House posting Greenland memes on social media, I think they should stop.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
I think it's insulting. It's outrageous. If you think you can buy the green landing people, we are not giving away an inch of our country.
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Lydia Moynan
What would you say to the survivors?
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Donald Trump
You are the worst reporter no one to see. CNN has no ratings because of people like you. I don't think I've ever.
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Piers Morgan
I know Caitlyn a bit.
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Andrew Wilson
Does she smile?
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Piers Morgan
She smiles all the time, but she doesn't smile.
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Cameron Caskey
When she cracked a baby.
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Andrew Wilson
Oh, I cracked a joke. That's the thing that the kids call aura, right?
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Piers Morgan
When America sneezes, the whole world catches a cold, or so the saying goes. That old adage is about the economy, but in the second Trump presidency, it applies equally to almost everything else. Fallout from the Epstein files is currently rippling across the globe. Norway's crown princess has been humbled by her flirty exchanges with the paedophile. The former Prince Andrew has been turfed out of his royal mansion and faces calls to testify. In the United States, the sordid dealings of Peter Mandelson, accused of taking cash from Epstein and feeding him government secrets, first cost him his job as US Ambassador and could now trigger a national inquiry. Today, the Polish prime minister said it's likely that Epstein was, as many apparent conspiracy theorists have long maintained, operating as a foreign spy, not for Israel, in his view, but for Russia. In the us, Bill and Hillary Clinton have allegedly agreed to testify before Congress in a televised hearing which could rival the ratings of the Super Bowl. And we'll dive into all the latest with our panel very shortly. We begin with another American sneeze which left the rest of the world shaking and trembling.
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Donald Trump
Big, beautiful piece of ice. It's hard to call it land. It's a big piece of ice. But we saved Greenland and successfully prevented our enemies from gaining a foothold in our hemisphere. So we did it for ourselves also. And then after the war, which we won, we won it big. Without us, right now, you'd all be speaking German and a little Japanese, perhaps. After the war, we gave Greenland back to Denmark. How stupid were we to do that?
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Piers Morgan
Jens Friedrich Nielsen is the Prime Minister of that big, beautiful piece of ice, better known as Greenland, and he joins me now. Prime Minister, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Thank you for being able to.
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Piers Morgan
First of all, when you hear the president of the United States describing your country as a big, beautiful piece of ice, how does that make you feel?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Of course, that's unfortunate. For us, it's not only a piece of ice. He also said you can hardly call it land. Right. We live here in Greenland, have been doing for many, many years. It's a beautiful, beautiful country with a very proud civilization, proud people. We love our country, we love our way of life. So, of course, that's unfortunate.
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Piers Morgan
A lot has happened in relation to Greenland in terms of the noise around the debate about the future of the country. You warned on Monday that Donald Trump has not let go of his dream to one day own Greenland. In other words, America take ownership and is still exploring ways to take control of the Arctic island. Why do you believe that? What do you think is really going on here with Donald Trump?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
First of all, I think we all agree on we need to do more in a security manner in our region in Greenland. And we are a very important puzzle in that part. And that's why we have had a defense agreement with the United states for many 80 years and had a great relationship and very good partnership. The way I said it is because, yes, in his speech from Davos that you just showed, he said he wouldn't use force and that's, of course, good. But the desire to control us, desire to have Greenland as his country, has never been pulled back and we have heard it a lot of times. That's why, of course, we cannot rule out there is some sort of desire to control our owners, which is so unfortunate because we are partners and allies and have been for many years.
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Piers Morgan
Trump announced on 22 January following Davos that he had reached what he called the framework of a future deal on Greenland with the NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutter. But he didn't add any meat on the bone of what that deal looked like. Do you have any understanding of what he meant by the framework of a future deal?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Look, now we have a political representative working group going. That's something we have been able to agree on for now. And in that working group, there will be conversations about what each part wants. Of course, from our side. We have said from the get go, we, we have been partners for many years and we have been ready to do more in the partnership we have in the frame we have, we are willing to do more in terms of security in, in a NATO frame, in the alliance also with the United States. What, what sort of. It's not my understanding that they have discussed a deal with with the, with the MAR and NATO, My understanding is that we actually are, we do agree on, we need to do more in a NATO frame in terms of security. And now the, the, the, the high level working group we agreed on to establish they will, they will talk about something that could be, maybe, could be a deal in some way. But we have also emphasized and said that we have some really, really important red lines from our side. So we have to find some way to have a dialogue, political dialogue, in a respectful manner in respect for the alliance and the partnership we have had for 80 years.
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Piers Morgan
The new York Times had a report citing anonymous officials saying that one idea entailed Denmark ceding sovereignty over small areas of Greenland where the United States would then build military bases. Have you heard or did you read that report? Do you have a response to that report?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Yeah, I can say we already have one military basis right in Greenland and it's under a frame of a defense agreement we have and have had with the United States since 1951. We have never said that nobody can do more in that frame. In terms of our defense agreement. We are ready to talk, we are ready to discuss those kind of things in mutual respect. But in terms of sovereignty of our country, we have a clear red line in terms of our borders, our integrity as a country. If somebody want to push on those, we can say that's a clear red line for us. We are not giving away an inch of our country.
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Piers Morgan
So your position is you will never cede any sovereignty?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
We will never cede any sovereignty. It would also be strange, right? Piers? We live in a world builded on principles of democracy, international law which have been respected, and a big, very important alliance for the world after the Second World War that somewhat for the most years, has kept the world pretty safe. And when we start to push on those things, it's not only about Greenland anymore. It's about the world order. If we stop respecting international law, the integrity of the borders, the law of the sea, what would be the next Right? So I think we need to, first of all, the frame the Western world are now, with respect for the democracy, respect for international law, we need to keep that safe. And in that frame, we can talk partnership all we want, but we will not give away an inch of our country. And that's also rooted in the most important thing we have in this world, international law and territorial integrity.
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Piers Morgan
I thought it was outrageous when President Trump was suggesting or hinting that he may take Greenland by military force, and pretty much everyone agreed that that was outrageous to the extent he has stopped using that language now, and clearly that is not something that the Americans are planning to do, I think it would be a disastrous move if they did. But let me posit to you another scenario. You, I know, are somebody who does not want to have independence for Greenlanders. I think I'm right in saying that when you ran to be Prime Minister, you want to keep things as they are. But a majority of Greenlanders across all the recent polls indicate a support between 67 and 84% for independence from Denmark. Could there be a scenario if there is a referendum and Greenlanders vote for independence, much like people in the UK voted to leave the European Union, for example, that if Donald Trump is president, when that happens and he comes to the newly independent Greenlanders who are no longer part of Denmark, if they vote that way, that he makes them an offer they can't refuse. Say, he says to each green lender, there are 60,000 of them, there's $100,000 each and we're going to give you new security guarantees and so on and so on. Some people have argued to me that is not an unthinkable scenario and that actually the people of Greenland, the Greenlanders themselves, might not necessarily be against that. Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and Optimum Night, all natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them with incredible results. Optimum Day boosts your energy and supports weight loss throughout the day. Optimum Night helps you relax and get deep, refreshing sleep. They have countless success stories, including from some very familiar faces. England legend Michael owen, who lost 40 pounds and AFTV's Robbie, who lost more than 100 pounds. To watch their full stories and many more, scan the QR code on your screen or visit oxfordnatural.compears and here's the best part. Use the code peers and get 70% off your first order. You're 70% off with the code. Piers.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
First of all, I think some of the polls you are mentioning, I don't think I would have won the election if 65% of the Greenlandic population wanted to be a dependent. What was the theme in the, in the election? I think almost all parties agreed we need to build a strong foundation for our country, for our welfare, for our education, for our economy. And in that process, we need to think in what we are doing in the future. I have, I have said very clearly now that if we were to choose today, we would use the construction we have now. Our right to self determination is not something we want to gamble on. And that was also a theme in the election. We are building a strong foundation now and who would not be chief in own house in the future. I think that's a rhetorical question. But the other things you said. I think it's outrageous if you think you can buy the Greenlandic people. We have a defense agreement now and I don't know how many years time if Greenland have a referendum and will split from Denmark even in that time. The Greenlandic people cannot be bought. The Greenlandic people would never say yes to dollars. To give away sovereignty. To give away their, their.
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Piers Morgan
Their. Yeah.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Their self determination is now. Right. If you, if we got bought now, it's because we're giving away that. That would never, never happen. We are too, too proud for that. And, and in terms of cooperation and a defense in, in terms of defense or security, we have it now. We are part of the alliance. The Greenlandic people would never, never, never go go out of the Western alliance because as we all agree on is we need to work with countries that shares somewhat our values, that shares the importance of human rights, international law and so on. And that's where we stand. It's outrageous if you think you can come with a bag of money and then influence the Greenlandic people. That will not happen and it will never happen.
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Piers Morgan
If there was a referendum, how do you think it would. It would play out? I mean are you contesting the idea that the majority of Greenlanders would vote for independence? Do you think that's not the case.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
If you had a referendum today? I don't think it would be the case that we will split right away. There is of course a process. It will take years to become independent no matter what. Also in the construction we have now, now. But what we are talking about is also our right to choose ourselves. If we are we. If the majority or all of us actually are really loudly saying that. Yeah, yeah. The. The question about independence is for us to decide. No one should influence that. Not with money, not with anything else. Not the United States, not, not any other country. We have the right in our own act of self governing from 2009 and that's what we will never gamble with.
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Piers Morgan
Have you talked personally to President Trump about all this?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
No, I have not.
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Piers Morgan
Does that surprise you?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
I don't know. I think the conversations about my people and my country have unfortunately been through the press. Try to imagine we are 67000 people in Greenland in periods we wake up every morning reading, hearing and seeing the biggest power in the world will swallow your country. We will take you, you, you belong to us. What, what kind of feelings the people of Greenland are walking around with? Right? It, it is, it is. And, and it's because the, the conversations about our countries, about our partnership has gone through the press. That's why I'm, I'm so happy we have agreed on now to have a high level working group of political representatives that can, that can sort things out and, and can, can try to find the common ground to stand on at least and then have some, a respectful and peaceful dialogue and see where, what, what will be the next.
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Piers Morgan
Have you heard from the Russian leader, Vladimir Putin? Has he tried to capitalize on this situation by reaching out to you?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
No, we have not and we have not. And all the talks about the Russian and Chinese influence and ships all over our coast or something, that's, that's just not true. So the premise of all this, it's unfortunate it is like that because it's simply not true.
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Piers Morgan
What would you say to Donald Trump if you did speak to him?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
It's difficult to say now, but I think I will say the same as I have said from the get go. Look, let's have a respectful dialogue. Let's talk about the great partnership we already have. We have been so loyal for 80 years as loyal ally for 80 years. We actually also had, we also had more cooperation in terms of a bit on mineral resources and innovation and so on. In terms of the USAID funding, they are also gone. So if you talk, when we talk about a partnership and doing more together, but do something else the other hand, then it's of course difficult. I would say the same. I'm ready to talk, I'm ready to have a greater and stronger partnership. I'm ready to do more in terms of security in a NATO frame with the allies. Let's talk about that in a respectful and good dialogue and not talking about I need to give away my people because that's essentially what it means to give away sovereignty.
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Piers Morgan
Right? When you see the White House and Donald Trump posting Greenland memes on social media and we're showing a few of them for viewers now, which are slightly mocking the situation. The Trump Tower in Greenland, Trump and J.D. vance, his vice president, planting the US flag in Greenland and so on, when you see the President of the United States and his number two and the White House doing this kind of thing, sort of making a bit of a mockery of the situation, which as you've so eloquently explained, has a very tangible effect on Greenlanders and makes Greenlanders very anxious about their future. What do you feel about that? Do you think they should stop?
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Yeah, I think they should. First of all, a lot of the posts, a lot of the memes have some, I know it, it's memes, right? But I saw one with, with penguins in Greenland. We don't have a single penguin in Greenland. So I think they also show a lack of knowledge about Greenland, unfortunately. It's unfortunate but true. I think it shows a lack of knowledge about Greenland and the Greenlandic people and the Greenlandic Society, which is actually doing okay in a lot of parts. We have, we have a good industry. Our fishery industry is the best in the world. The best seafood in the world. Pierce, if you get the chance, you should try it. But I become a bit, I, I think it's unfortunate. And when you keep mocking my people, what you do when you do that, I, I, I understand their feelings and I share them a lot of the times. I think it's so unfortunate.
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Piers Morgan
Insulting to your people.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
I think it's insulting. I think it is because we have said very clear from the beginning, first of all, the way of speaking about an ally, my people and our country, it's of course unacceptable. It's of course disrespectful. Let's have a good dialogue, peaceful and respectful dialogue as two allies, as two partners. Let's have it like that. We have said it from the beginning and that's still what I mean, what I feel.
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Piers Morgan
There have been calls from prominent European politicians to boycott the forthcoming World cup which is partly going to be held in the United States along with Canada. And Mexico and Denmark have playoff games to get through to the World cup. But they could well be there. Would you support any boycott of the World cup if it comes to it? I've always been blunt about health. It's one thing you can't debate your way out of. Like all of you, I've had first hand experience of vague doctor visits which leave you guessing. Sometimes you need a lot more reassurance. And that's why Superpower resonates with me. Superfower flips a script on preventative health. One simple lab test covers 60 labs, scanning over 100 biomarkers for heart, liver, thyroid, hormones, metabolism, vitamins. It spots inflammation, deficiencies, even causes of fatigue. No waiting rooms. Do it from your home. You get a tailored action plan in their app with a dedicated medical team guiding you. It's athlete level insights at an accessible price, down from $499 to just $199. Superpower tracks your progress over time, building a lifetime Picture. Head to superpower.com to learn more and lock in the special $199 price while it lasts. After you sign up, they'll ask how you heard about them. So please make sure to mention me and support this show. Your biology decoded, your blueprint activated with Superpower.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
No, no, look. First of all, I'm so happy for the support the Greenlandic people gets from a lot of countries. Now, a lot of countries and a lot of leaders from other countries are supporting Greenland. But by supporting Greenland, you are supporting international law, territorial integrity, and the world order, essentially. But. But look, what I'm. What I. What I'm hoping for and what I want is a normalized relationship, the good relationship we have had for many years. Let's come back to that. Let's come back to respecting international law and territorial integrity and. And partners and allies. That's what I want. Of course, if. If some people are talking about. Or some countries are talking about boycotts and so on, I will not get into that discussion right now. I'm. I'm doing what I can. We are using all of our resources to try to get a normal relationship with the country that we have been a respectful part and respected for many, many, many years.
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Piers Morgan
I've got to ask you this because every single public figure in the world, it seems, is being dragged in in some way to the Epstein files scandal. Have you put your name into the files to see if your name pops up at all, if you got discussed at any level? Like, I mean, I imagine everybody else is doing.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Pierce, I'm 34 years old. I'm a young man.
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Piers Morgan
So.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
So in that sort of. Sort of things were going on. I was still in kindergarten, right? So, no, you will not see my name. Such files.
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Piers Morgan
Just. Finally, Prime Minister, it must be a strange thing that you operated under the kind of global radar for so long, but now suddenly, the world's attention has been thrust upon Greenland. That can also have a benefit, right? I mean, for all the negative stuff and the anxiety it's caused and everything else, there must be, I would imagine, some benefit to Greenland being in the global spotlight.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Yeah, of course, we are not. First of all, we are not. We are not used to that kind of attention. Let me say that first, I hope people can see now what Greenland are. We have such a beautiful country and people. We already see increased level of passengers traveling to our country. Of course, the negative side of the good attention we have now is that we also see cancellations, unfortunately because of the uncertainty of the situation. But we feel the attention and we also see, we have seen that it opens possibility for more and better cooperation with others too because we are in, in our opinion, humble opinion, we are quite attractive country because we have, we can show scenery that you can't see anywhere else in the world. And we have so many opportunities in terms of, of industry, like in, in terms of mineral resources and so on. We have some attractive, attractive resources we can work together with other countries with. So, so I'm sure that more people know now where Greenland are, what it is. I hope they also know now that we don't have penguins if they are coming to see those. But we are the land of the opportunity. I really think that we have huge potential in many areas.
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Piers Morgan
Well, I wish you all the very best and I'm going to try and find time to come and have some of your fish because I'm told it is absolutely world class. So, Prime Minister, thank you very much indeed.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Thank you so much for the opportunity. Piers.
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Piers Morgan
Well, listening to that, ready to discuss much more is the host of the Crucible, Andrew Wilson, the New York Post correspondent Lydia Moynan, the former Republican congressman and host of the Social Contract, Joe Walsh and the liberal commentator Cameron Caskey. Welcome to all of you. Joe Walsh, welcome back to uncensored. Kind of fascinating conversation there with a prime minister I doubt anybody had heard of before about a month ago. And then suddenly he's propelled onto the global stage. He's a smart, eloquent guy, but interesting that for him, the red line, not an inch of sovereignty shall pass to the United States. What did you make of it?
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Joe Walsh
First off, Pierce, good to be back with you. Secondly, Pierce, great interview. Well done. How refreshing and cool is that guy? And he's 34 years old, man, that's the first time I've heard him speak extensively. Look, I love that. And that was my biggest takeaway was back off on sovereignty. This is our country. Back off. Respectfully, he was utmost respect to Donald Trump, even though Donald Trump deserves zero respect from him with the way that Trump and Vance have treated him and his people. But Pierce, that was the biggest takeaway is that, look, the United States, you can, you've got as much military access on Greenland as you want. This isn't about military access with Trump. It's never been. He can't say that because that prime minister is too nice and decent. But this is all about Trump wanting to put his name on something and Trump financially wanting to Get Greenland's natural resources. What a great young man, a great young leader.
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Piers Morgan
Andrew Wilson, we're gonna come much later in the show to your conversation with Joe Rogan about my shattered hip and the life expectancy that the pair of you decided to come up with, which basically.
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Andrew Wilson
Wait a second. I thought I was nice. I thought I was super nice.
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Piers Morgan
You were actually. No, you were. Although you were the first to suggest alcohol had played a part in my downfall, and I can categorically assure you zero alcohol had passed my lips, which actually.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, I mean, it would have played a part in my downfall. That's. That's what I thought.
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Piers Morgan
Well, actually, actually a doctor friend of mine said had I been intoxicated, I would have had a much easier fall. I'd have basically rolled, and I wouldn't have caused such damage. Anyway, we're going to come to that later because it made me laugh. Welcome back to Uncertainty. It was a great interview, actually, with, with you and Joe. I really enjoyed that. This issue of Greenland. I mean, let's extrapolate this really, to a wider worldview that Trump seemed to have, which is, you know, I can take what I want. The United States is so big, so powerful, we have the world's biggest military. If I want Greenland, I'm going to help myself. Do you, as an American, do you feel comfortable about that kind of mindset, particularly relating to a country that is under the sovereignty of a NATO ally, which not just any old NATO ally, the Danes actually lost. I think the third. Third is highest number of people. In the Afghanistan war, for example, when they came and fought with Americans against the Taliban, per capita, I think it was the highest per capita actually were the Danes. So, you know, the Americans owe the Danes a lot. And yet here you've got the president saying, yeah, I may just come and take it. But what did you feel about that?
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Andrew Wilson
Well, I don't know exactly what the, what the strategic reason actually is, and that's the, that's the big problem, right, is we do know that there's a lot of natural resources there, and we know that Trump wants to buy it, and we know that the United States wants to stay a global hegemon. And however it needs to stay a global hegemon, it's going to do whatever that means. Right. Whether it's Trump or not Trump in this particular case, I do think that Trump thought he could probably buy this outright, but they're not selling. As far as the memes and things like that, I don't think that's a Huge deal at all, as far as I'm concerned. This is still something which is going on, under negotiation. And I think he's going to try to buy it. I think he's going to try to buy it for the strategic interest of the United States, and good luck to him. You know, maybe it'll be the 51st state.
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Piers Morgan
Well, you know, Cameron Cathker, welcome to Uncensored. You know, I've been saying from a start of this debate about green that there are only 60,000 of them. You're not talking about millions of people. And I don't know how many of them would categorize themselves as wealthy or poor or whatever. I'm not sure exactly of the economic breakdown of green lenders. But if they were, for example, as I posited to the prime minister to vote in a referendum to be independent, which notwithstanding what he said, most people think is more likely to happen, that they would vote to go independent. If the Americans made an offer, significant financial offer, to enrich the lives of each Greenlander, I could see that potentially being an option they may take.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, in Europe, they have health care. And I think that that's what a lot of people want in the United States. You can get sick and just go broke. And that's something that Donald Trump is not willing to do anything about. But the Greenland situation boils down to the fact that the global order that was established after World War II to prevent something like that from happening again is something that President Trump is more than happy to not only disrupt, but chip away at if it serves the interest of whoever he is working for. So the Greenland situation, in my opinion, is Trump just happily playing risk because he likes throwing power and tough talk around. But ultimately, it's something that is going to be very damaging to the United States, to our reputation, which has already taken so many hits in the past year. And being a global power is not just about what type of force and threats of violence you can throw around. It's not about what type of money you can throw around. It's about partnerships and building trust with other leaders. And in the past year, Donald Trump has given places like the EU a lot of reason to believe that we are not a stable partner. And that's why I think a lot of those countries are going to be turning to China, and it is going to backfire for generations.
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Andrew Wilson
They're not turning to China.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, I don't think you can look.
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Cameron Caskey
At what they're doing financially.
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Andrew Wilson
No, not if you look at what they're doing financially. No, the United States still the hegemon. It's going to stay the hegemon. The EU is not going to do anything about it. There's mayors of cities here. I believe in the United States have more than 60,000 people. You guys have TDS, and everything Trump does is evil and awful and this and that. But the truth is, is that this is a hegemon. It is the global hegemon. And if we want to leverage our nation in order to acquire more land in our strategic interests, we're going to do that. And the EU is not going to do anything about it. And that's the truth.
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Piers Morgan
Okay. All right, let me bring in Lydia. Welcome to Uncensored. Lydia, good to have you. On. Do you agree with that? I mean, that, you know, a lot of people feel that talking that way about a country owned by a NATO ally is at best disrespectful and at worst the actions of a, of a bully. Right. Somebody who just says, you know what, if we want it, we're gonna take it and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Lydia Moynan
Well, if you take a line out of Billie Eilish's book, no one is illegal on stolen land. So I think we have every right to it, according to her logic. Look, I don't think we should use military force. I don't think that's going to be happening. But look, people have wanted Greenland in the US since William Seward back in the 1800s when he purchased Alaska. He also wanted to get Greenland. Truman once again tried to get Greenland. And the history of the US Is purchasing land, the Louisiana Purchase, Alaska, the Virgin Islands, about 100 years ago, we purchased from the Danes as well. So I think it's very reasonable that Trump wants to expand his footprint. And if this is the kind of thing that he can get done. We know he loves deal making. I think more power to him. And it is an important strategic asset. Of course, it's very close to the Arctic, to China, to Russia. It's an important place to launch potentially missiles. The cool climate makes it perfect for data centers that can cool naturally. There are those rare earth minerals that right now we don't have in the US So I think it would be great if we can cobble together some kind of deal that everyone is happy with. More power to them.
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Piers Morgan
Okay, let's move on to other big stuff in the news, Joe. The Epstein scandal. So many things pouring out of these. This massive drop of stuff that came in the last few days, interestingly to me, because I'm in London at the moment. The consequences of this dump have been dramatic in the UK Right. We are currently engulfed by what I would say with some confidence is the biggest royal scandal in my lifetime and the biggest political scandal in my lifetime, both happening simultaneously as a direct consequence of the former Prince Andrew, now Andrew Humbatten Windsor and Lord Mandelson, who I suspect will soon not be a lord and may well be propping up a prison cell, who was the UK Ambassador to Washington. These guys are toppling like dominoes. But what's interesting is we're not seeing Americans toppling like dominoes, even though there's a plethora of big name Americans in there. What's going on here? Why is it that America for some reason is not exacting accountability in the same immediate, dramatic way that we're doing, say, in the UK?
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Joe Walsh
And Pierce, kudos to you over there because, yes, you are beginning to aggressively hold the rich and the powerful, the elites, accountable for their relationships with the pedophile, the head of the pedophilia ring, Jeffrey Epstein. We're not doing that here. Republican, Democrat, independent business leaders, political leaders. There are a bunch of rich and powerful elite people, men, in these files, and we're not going near them. I think the President of the United States right now is doing everything he can to protect them. I think he's using the Justice Department to protect powerful people. Again, Republican and Democrat across the board. We're not holding them accountable. And Pierce, I'll leave you with this. Look, the current President of the United States is mentioned in these files thousands and thousands of times. There are allegations, just allegations. Pierce, there are allegations in these files that Donald Trump raped underage girls and threatened to kill them.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, but. Okay, but let me stop you there. Allegations. But here's the problem. But here's the problem. Yeah, but Joe, but Joe, here's the problem. Those have already been looked at, instantly dismissed as the stuff of fantasy. The problem if you're Donald Trump, is that absolutely anyone could call him with any outrageous allegation and he gets logged and then appears in these files. I think we've gotta be a bit more grown up about how we approach this. Nobody thinks Donald Trump raped children, right? I mean, you don't think that. I don't think that. And it's already been dismissed by the investigators as the stuff of just a nefarious caller wanting to do damage to him. However, I would caveat that by saying I don't think it's enough that there are still millions of files that are not being released. Right. I don't think it's enough. And I've always felt. Cause I talked to David Boies, who was Virginia Giuffre's lawyer and is one of the top criminal lawyers in American modern history. He said he'd never seen anything which pinned Trump to any criminality with Epstein. Yes. He had a long friendship with him. Yes. That was obviously very embarrassing. Yes. You know, he should be more transparent about it, I think, rather than trying to shut it down all the time. But no one's produced any evidence, actual evidence that suggests criminality with Trump.
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Joe Walsh
However, the only point I. Yeah, the only point I'm making is Donald Trump is one of a very rich, powerful person who will probably never be held accountable. I mean, Bill Clinton, Republican, Democrat, business leaders across the board. My fear is none of these guys will be held accountable for what they did.
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Piers Morgan
Okay, let me bring Andrew in on that because a really interesting development is that having said, they wouldn't testify to the House about this, the inquiry, Bill and Hillary Clinton have now done a U turn and are going to testify, which is fascinating on its own. Bill will appear for deposition 27th of February. Hillary will appear the day before. It'll be the first time a US Former US President has testified to congressional panel since gerald ford in 1983. So really quite an historic moment it's going to be. And it'll be huge televised ratings, I'm sure. What's even more interesting to me is not their U turn, but Donald Trump's reaction. Let's take a look.
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Lydia Moynan
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- [40:22]
Donald Trump
I think it's a shame, to be honest. I always liked him. Her? Yeah, yeah. She's a very good, capable woman. She was better in debating than some of the other people. I will tell you that. She was smarter.
- [40:36]
Piers Morgan
I mean, I've never heard Donald Trump talking about Hillary Clinton like that. What's going on?
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Andrew Wilson
Well, I mean, what do you want? If he's not if he's making fun of her, you're upset. If he's not making fun of her, they're upset.
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Jens Friedrich Nielsen
Right.
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Andrew Wilson
What do you want?
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Piers Morgan
Well, I'm not, I'm not upset. I'm not upset by any of that. I'm just saying I, I, he's gone from lock her up, lock her up, lock her up to suddenly it's all a great shame when she's facing an inquiry that might actually lead to potentially locking her up.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, I don't think that that's what's going on at all. I think that the Clintons want to go in and they want to clear their name. Right. They've been mentioned that you have this kind of weight around Bill's neck. It's been well known that Clinton himself is a philanderer. Right. But that doesn't mean that he is a chomo. And this is, this is one of the reasons I think they're rushing in there. Same thing with Elon Musk. It's going to be the same thing. He was mentioned in the Epstein files. I think he's going to want to clear his name as well. What we don't have right now is evidences of wrongdoing. And that's what, that's what we got to find. Right. We got to, we got to make sure that there's actual evidence of wrongdoing before we have guys come on panels like this and start talking about how everyone's a child molester. It's like, look, I want to see some evidence of that. Does that mean that we should release the rest of the files? I think we should release the rest of the files. I don't think anybody's opposed to that. That's something I would push. Donald Trump currency.
- [41:59]
Cameron Caskey
Donald Trump and the Justice Department are pretty opposed to that, it seems. I mean, Trump does switch around.
- [42:06]
Andrew Wilson
It was not just, it's not just Trump's Justice Department. If Joe Biden, Joe Biden could have released these as well. If Trump was really in him and the Biden administration had any knowledge that Trump was diddling kids. And it would have been the most irresponsible thing on planet Earth to not have released that. So why didn't they? Well, they didn't because there's no evidence that he did those. Because there's no evidence.
- [42:27]
Cameron Caskey
No, they didn't release them because. I'm happy to tell you why they didn't release them. Joe Biden had absolutely no desire to challenge the global elite at all. I'm sure plenty of Joe Biden's donors and friends are completely incriminated in the Epstein files. And ultimately, whether or not there was evidence of Donald Trump committing any sort of illegal actions in the Epstein files, Joe Biden was not going to disappoint the American elite, the many powers that are in that, in these files, and also the Mossad, which is one of the main characters of the files. So, no, I don't think Joe Biden doesn't really.
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Andrew Wilson
Or MI6 or. Yeah, sure, or MI6 or any of the other intelligence groups which were working within the Epstein framework, but that's not really the point. The point that I'm after here is if Democrats said or thought in any way, shape or form that Trump actually was diddling kids, underage kids, they would have, by any means necessary, released that to have stopped Trump. They didn't because there is no evidence of that happening. That's why.
- [43:27]
Cameron Caskey
Well, the Democrats are trying to. Right now, it's the Republicans, except for Thomas Massie, that are trying to stop it.
- [43:34]
Andrew Wilson
Well, okay, let me bring in.
- [43:37]
Piers Morgan
Let me bring in Lydia. Lydia, do you think all the files should be released, as Andrew says and as I absolutely believe? I mean, I just think if you don't, forever we're gonna be dealing with, well, what's in the ones we haven't seen.
- [43:51]
Lydia Moynan
Of course. No, I mean, I kind of feel like right now we have the worst of all possible worlds. Obviously, the goal of releasing the files should be transparency and justice. And right now we have a little bit more transparency. We have some tawdry details about Bill Gates allegedly getting an STD. But when we look at what was released, 43 victims names that should have been redacted were not redacted. There were unredacted images of nude photos of young children. I mean, it was kind of a disaster. And so my concern is if we do release more, we're gonna see more victims harmed. And to your point earlier, Piers, I mean, it's kind of insane that we're reading all of this really damning info about Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman, and yet they all seem to be skating by scot free. And yet it's like Peter Attia, a longevity guru who's getting kicked off the board of a protein bar company. So I feel like right now, though, we have some transparency. A lot more questions. I mean, you look at some of the names that were redacted. There's this one email to Epstein that says, your little girl was really naughty last night, and that name was redacted. I'd like to See who that person was.
- [45:00]
Piers Morgan
I agree. Who are these people whose names we haven't been told?
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Lydia Moynan
Conspiracy theories are just out of control, Right? You have people saying, oh, Trump raped a 12 year old, which is not true. The Wayfair conspiracy is back. So I kind of think we have more confusion, less transparency, and it's really bad for the victims at this point.
- [45:22]
Piers Morgan
Let me bring Joe in. I mean, Joe, Joe, Joe. Before you respond, I mean, I talked about this yesterday, but, you know, Elon Musk, for example, has been, you know, pounding away on his X account about how he's led the charge for transparency. He's better than all the others, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And yet when you compare and contrast his denials and saying, I always rejected all invitations to go to the island to go to the parties and so on, and you compare them to the emails that have actually been in the files in real time, which show Elon Musk very keen to get on the island and go to the wildest parties, it turned out. So when people do that, when we can see with our own eyes that they're not being completely honest about their own position, I'm not saying for a moment Elon Musk did anything wrong or criminal or anything, but I do know what he's trying to spin about what he said in those emails is not accurate. Which then raises a number of other questions.
- [46:19]
Joe Walsh
Yeah, and Pierce, it goes to the other point you raised a few minutes ago. Trump's odd reaction, kind of complimenting Bill and Hillary Clinton. I think it just goes to this bipartisan protection racket. They're all going to try to protect each other. That's why. And again, just one final point, Pierce, the context here. Remember, before Trump got elected, Trump promised to release these files if he became president.
- [46:46]
Cameron Caskey
J.D.
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Joe Walsh
Vance said the same thing. I come from the right. Every right wing talker promised, if Trump wins, we're gonna release them all. This will be the mother of all deep state scandals. So then Trump wins and he says no. That's the basis for so much of the confusion here.
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Lydia Moynan
Yeah, there is confusion. But don't you think that if there was something super damning in there about him, you wouldn't have campaigned on that? Obviously he was Joe Biden. Democrats weren't talking about Trump.
- [47:18]
Piers Morgan
Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, Lydia, I don't actually think, and I haven't done for a while, particularly since talking to David Boies, because he had no reason to defend Trump. Quite the opposite. He said he looked at the files and there was nothing in there that incriminates Trump. I've never felt that Donald Trump himself has committed any crime in relation to Epstein. But I do think there are a lot of people in the potential criminality firing line who may well be Republican donors or maybe friends of his business associates. Who knows, right? We just don't know. But I do know if you don't put all the documents out, as you said, Lydia, the conspiracy theories will just rage and rage and rage. And this scandal is already massive. I mean, it's hard to think of a bigger scandal of its kind that we've seen in our lifetimes. And it's only going to get bigger. I suspect we don't even know. We haven't even been through probably a tenth of what's in the current dump. Let's just turn to another issue. Andrew, I'll come to you on this. A clip of last night. This is in the Oval Office. I think it's Donald Trump attacking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for not smiling.
- [48:27]
Donald Trump
Now that nothing came out about me other than it was a conspiracy against me literally by Epstein and other people. But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else.
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Lydia Moynan
What would you say to people, Mr. President?
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Donald Trump
Something that people care about? Yeah. What do you say?
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Piers Morgan
What would you say to the survivors.
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Donald Trump
Who feel like they haven't gotten the worst reporter? No one to see CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years.
- [48:59]
Piers Morgan
Years.
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Donald Trump
I don't think I've ever seen a smile.
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Lydia Moynan
Well, I'm asking you about survivors.
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Donald Trump
You know why you're not smiling? Because you know, you're not telling the truth and you're, you're a very dishonest organization and they should be ashamed of you.
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Lydia Moynan
These are survivors of a sexual abuser.
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Piers Morgan
Now, Andrea, full disclosure. I know Caitlin a bit. She, I, I used to do the 9 o' clock slot at CNN. She does that now. I think she's a great journalist, a great correspondent.
- [49:27]
Andrew Wilson
Does she smile?
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Piers Morgan
She smiles all the time. Oh, my God.
- [49:31]
Cameron Caskey
But she doesn't smile when she's, you could just say she doesn't smile.
- [49:35]
Piers Morgan
Hang on, hang on, Cameron, I'll come to you.
- [49:37]
Andrew Wilson
Oh, no, I cracked a joke. Oh, cracked a joke.
- [49:42]
Piers Morgan
Here's my point, Andrew, here's my point. Donald Trump has taken in the last sort of year or so to being pretty offensive to, to female correspondence in particular. Should he do that or should he be a little bit more respectful.
- [49:59]
Andrew Wilson
Trump's whole stylistic is being very combative with media. It's one of the things that really worked with him as a strategy in dealing with them. It's one of the most endearing parts of Trump when it comes to the American public's perception of him, is the fact that he's extremely combative with the media. And let's not pretend that it's not a big game on both sides. Both sides are playing it. They both enjoy it. It's like a game of cat and mouse, right? Can I get Trump's goat? Oh, I did. Trump kind of had a little go off on me. Now it's big news, right? It's part of the combative nature that he has with the media. It's probably one of the guy's most endearing qualities, honestly. I know everybody is always freaking out about it, but that's the thing that the kids call aura, right? The whole idea that he can have these engagements with these media personalities and it goes viral and people are laughing and they're having a good time. I mean, it's part of this guy's personality, always has been.
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Piers Morgan
I mean, Lydia, I don't think for a moment Caitlin will lose any sleep over it. She's a tough cookie. I think she'll probably be quite enjoying the attention on it. It just makes her a little bit more famous and probably gets more people tuning in. But as a woman yourself, if you were disparaged in that way by the President of the United States, whoever it was, would you think that's the right way to talk to female correspondents, female journalists, if you're the president?
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Lydia Moynan
If I was advising Trump, I would not encourage him to do that. Yeah, you don't want to comment on people's appearances. Tell a woman to smile. That's just not what he should be focused on. But I guess I understand the point of. A lot of folks in the MAGA base want to see him sort of own the libs and own the media. But I think there's a way of doing that in a way that isn't offensive to.
- [51:50]
Andrew Wilson
Wait, wait, wait. You don't think it's hilarious? You don't think that that's hilarious? Like, it's objectively hilarious when he has these exchanges with media and media kind of. I've seen them go out of their way to kind of make the exchanges happen, even because they know it's going to be all over the news. It's news itself. When he has these exchanges with these Various women and I mean, are you really pretending that it's not hilarious? It is hilarious.
- [52:15]
Joe Walsh
Right, Andrew? Let's just.
- [52:17]
Lydia Moynan
I don't think it's objectively. I think it's subjectively hilarious. And obviously you feel that way. There's a lot of people who feel that way. I. If I was advising Trump, I would not encourage him to take that tact.
- [52:28]
Andrew Wilson
I mean, you're smiling right now because you know it's funny, but whatever. All right.
- [52:32]
Piers Morgan
Yeah, but I think. I do think it's okay. I'll come to Joe. But I do think it's important to remember that as Caitlin pointed out, he got a bit drowned out, but she was asking him a question about the Epstein survivors. That is not something you would normally crack a smile about as you did it. You know, I don't dispute that Trump's style is popular with people, and sometimes he makes me laugh. I do find it a little bit ugly. I have to be honest, Joe, the way he's gone after some of these female correspondents. And knowing Caitlin, I think she's one of the fairer ones anyway. I never see bias with her. Sort of like when Jim Acosta used to, you know, literally game those Oval Office presses and try and make a name for himself.
- [53:10]
Lydia Moynan
There are a lot of people out there who want to be the story. She's not one of them.
- [53:14]
Piers Morgan
Well, we saw it. Well, we saw it with Don. We actually saw it with Don Lemon as a classic example, which I was going to come to because Don Lemon actually always happened by going so hardball after Don Lemon, Joe is. It's turned him into a martyr and it's revived his whole career. He's now on Kimmel. He's now doing all these big interviews, he's getting big numbers for his YouTube show and so on. I mean, the only winner out of all that is Don Lemon.
- [53:40]
Joe Walsh
Completely, Pierce. Absolutely completely. He's taken Don Lemon to another level in the stratosphere because he went after him on a case that I think will be dropped before you get to Lemon. And I know people want to talk about Lemon. Again, this point needs. Needs to be made. I agree with Andrew. I'm sure there are. I know there are a lot of people who love that Trump does this, and I know there are a lot of people who find it funny, but it is also ugly because he has a particular long standing habit of attacking the physical appearances of fee male reporters. There ain't nothing funny about that. Miss Piggy. Hey, Miss Piggy. From a couple months ago, he said to a female reporter. Shut up, Miss Piggy. Come on. That's not funny.
- [54:26]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it is.
- [54:27]
Piers Morgan
No, you wouldn't find it funny.
- [54:30]
Andrew Wilson
But Andrew.
- [54:31]
Piers Morgan
But, Andrew, if somebody. Okay, but if somebody said that about someone called Melania Miss Piggy, for example, Trump would go nuts, Right? So, you know, let's be clear. It wouldn't be. He wouldn't find it funny.
- [54:45]
Andrew Wilson
And if he did go nuts about that, that would also be funny. The thing is, it's like. I think we're, like, missing the forest through the trees here, right? Yes, it was funny. It was hilarious. It went uber viral. Everybody was talking about it, and we. And a lot of people were laughing about it because it was really funny. It's. It's very unorthodox, the way he engages with people, and it's very different. And because of that, people pay close attention to it because they think it's hilarious. And it's like, I. I'm tired of pretending that it's not. I talk to leftists all the time. They get so upset about this stuff, and it's like, come on, people, even they. I know a lot of them must laugh when they watch. Like, Pierce, there's some of those exchanges. You gotta laugh at them, don't you?
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- [55:59]
Piers Morgan
Of course I do. Listen, I spoke to Trump three, four days ago. He called me. He called me for a chat. He made me laugh out loud three or four times. A guy. I actually was very interesting. It was a comedian last week. I can't remember who it was. It was a comedian who said that he speaks to a lot of comedians on the circuit, on the big pro circuit, and they all agree that whatever you think of his politics, Trump is a natural, brilliant comedian. They all agree. They think his comedic timing, his spontaneity, his ability to make a crowd laugh is like nothing they've seen in any politician.
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Joe Walsh
And I think it was funny. Yesterday, Pierce, did you think what he said about.
- [56:41]
Piers Morgan
Well, because I know. Because I know Kate well, because I know Caitlin wouldn't care, and I know she didn't. I texted with her afterwards because I know she Wouldn't care. I just thought she'll just think it's funny in terms of she doesn't care.
- [56:54]
Joe Walsh
Did you think when he called the female reporter Ms. Piggy Pierce, you didn't think that was funny?
- [56:58]
Piers Morgan
No, I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I didn't think that was funny. Know, I, I don't, I don't think being derogatory about a woman's looks when their professional journalist trying to do their job, I just think it crosses, you know, it crosses a line of just being a gentleman. Right. And I don't think you should. If you're a man, why would you want to be that guy?
- [57:15]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah. The same media groups, these same media groups attack him overwhelmingly over his appearance. They attack Melania over her appearance. They attack him all day and all night. These representatives of these. And Trump's like, andrew, give him a little smack back. I'm like, oh, my God, how could he? It's just ridiculous.
- [57:33]
Piers Morgan
I think that's a very fair point. I was about to make it to Cameron, which is, if you look at the coverage of the Melania movie, some of the reviews have been savagely personal about her, including how she looks. Even though to me, whatever you think of the Trumps, if you can love them or hate them, Melania, to me as a fashion icon, is up there with Jackie Kennedy. I mean, she's just the most stylish first lady since Jackie Kennedy. You can't argue that fact to me. But the Trump derangement syndrome, and I think I may say this with respect, I think you might be a bit of a sufferer of this, means that all bets are off when it comes to the Trumps. Right. You can say what you like about them. And therefore, as Andrew said, when the response is to feign outrage, when it comes back a bit, it's like, well, okay, but you've been calling him a Nazi for years. You, everyone's been hammering Melania in these reviews. You know, what's the difference?
- [58:26]
Cameron Caskey
Well, Kaitlan Collins didn't just release a $75 million documentary about herself. She was asking Donald Trump to comment on the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking rape ring. So the thought that an appropriate response to somebody asking about the systematic rape and allegedly murder of women being orchestrated by Jeffrey Epstein in the global elite, the thought that the response to that is, why don't you smile a little? Is a bit more incriminating than even Donald Trump going on to say that the Epstein scam was a hoax, which he did say, I mean, he went from campaigning on releasing the Epstein files to saying it's a hoax to saying that he's completely vindicated. It's extremely inconsistent. The one thing that has remained with Donald Trump since the 1990s and before it came back.
- [59:16]
Piers Morgan
Hang on, Cameron. Okay, but Cameron, let me stop you there because you, as you know, you were on a CNN panel last week and you had to apologize after saying this.
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Cameron Caskey
I am appreciative that the president is being transparent about this. I would love it if he was more transparent about the human sex trafficking network that he was a part of. But you can't win them all.
- [59:40]
Piers Morgan
Cameron's grateful that the president is being transparent about the Nobel Peace Prize and his desires for Greenland. Scott, what do you think about that?
- [59:46]
Andrew Wilson
You're going to let that sit?
- [59:47]
Cameron Caskey
We're going to claim here on CNN.
- [59:48]
Piers Morgan
That the president is part of a global sex trafficking ring or. Well, I mean, again, we're going to talk, we're going to talk about the FC Paul Scott, I will do the fact checking.
- [59:55]
Joe Walsh
I'm just, as we go along here, repeat what you said about the global.
- [59:58]
Cameron Caskey
Sex trafficking ring, that Donald Trump was provably very involved with it.
- [60:03]
Joe Walsh
Okay, we'll get to that later.
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Piers Morgan
I mean, Donald Trump has never been charged with any crimes in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, you issued an apology the next day on X. You said you had made the claim by accident and that Donald Trump was obviously not involved with a giant international child sex trafficking ring. And yet when you were given the chance to correct your accidental slur against him, which was a hoax, I mean, what you said was completely untrue. You didn't, you doubled down, you said it again. So it wasn't an accident. You genuinely believed it. And you, and I would argue, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I would argue that is an example where your visceral hatred of Trump means in your head, all bets are off. You don't have to treat him like you would somebody else in public life. You can accuse him of being part of a global human trafficking ring and when you're challenged, double down on that. And it's only when there's a massive backlash and you realize you might get sued that you then say, oh, I didn't mean it was an accident. And that's an example. I would say if somebody who you can't see the wood for the trees with Trump.
- [61:09]
Cameron Caskey
Well, I think Donald Trump should sue a lot of people for a lot of the ridiculous claims that have been made about his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.
- [61:15]
Piers Morgan
And I think he does.
- [61:17]
Cameron Caskey
Well, if he does, he's gonna have to go to discovery and he's gonna have to testify under oath. And fortunately, we know there's a lot of information that can be revealed that will prove just how innocent the President is.
- [61:27]
Piers Morgan
Which, of course, you lied about him, though. But Cameron, do you admit you lied about it?
- [61:32]
Cameron Caskey
Well, I didn't just make one mistake. I made two mistakes in a row. And if the President chooses to seek legal action, we're gonna learn a lot in discovery and when he testifies under oath and he's gonna be completely vindicated. He's made a very.
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Piers Morgan
No, that wasn't my question. My question was, what a snake, man. My question wasn't that you made a mistake. My question was that you lied. You just perpetrated a willful lie to denigrate Trump and accuse him of being part of. Probably the most heinous allegation you can make about any man is he was part of a human trafficking, global human trafficking operation. You said twice.
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Cameron Caskey
I know. And it's one thing to tell a lie once, but to make that mistake, to say something so horrible as a mistake like that twice is just so unacceptable. And if the President wants to, I mean, there's.
- [62:21]
Piers Morgan
So why did you do it?
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Cameron Caskey
Well, you know, why did you do it? We all make accidents. And Donald Trump, I mistook his deep involvement with Jeffrey Epstein over the years with an involvement with Jeffrey Epstein's human sex trafficking ring, when it's very clear the President was not involved with any criminal activity. He was just extremely close with Jeffrey Epstein, who had been doing this for a very, very long time. And I think that the President has every right to prove to everybody that he is completely innocent. And there's a lot of evidence that will show that he's innocent, which I.
- [62:50]
Piers Morgan
Maintain that he actually, he doesn't have to do anything. It's down to people like you who are on the airways talking about this to stick to facts. And I, again, I put it to you that your hatred of Trump is so demented that you just didn't think it mattered. You had convinced yourself he was right up there with Epstein in running a global trafficking ring. So I'll give you an opportunity now, cuz Donald Trump watches uncensored every now and again. Would you like to apologize to him for the hoax that you perpetrated?
- [63:17]
Cameron Caskey
Mr. President, I apologize for accidentally perpetrating something that is clearly a hoax. And honestly, once more and more of these Epstein files get released, I look forward to you being completely vindicated because clearly you couldn't stand this Epstein guy and he couldn't stand you either.
- [63:35]
Piers Morgan
Okay, so you admit it wasn't an accident, was it? You said it deliberately. That's not an accident.
- [63:41]
Cameron Caskey
I mistook Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump's involvement with one another with Donald Trump being involved with parts of Jeffrey Epstein's business that there is no evidence he has been involved with. And fortunately, Donald Trump has a huge opportunity to set the record straight by ending this Epstein cover up.
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Piers Morgan
Actually, you know what? Right now, Cameron, it's you that has the opportunity and people will judge your wheelie mouthed apology in the way they want to judge it. You should just admit you just got it completely wrong. It's just.
- [64:10]
Cameron Caskey
I did. Unfortunately, there's a lot of evidence.
- [64:14]
Piers Morgan
There's no evidence he's part of a global human trafficking ring.
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Cameron Caskey
No, I'm saying there's a lot of evidence that he's completely vindicated and I really hope he releases it because people are going to continue saying the wrong thing like I did.
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Piers Morgan
He doesn't need to release it. When you make a claim like that. Well, if I was making, if I was to make a claim. Hang on, Cameron. If I was to make a claim like that about you, I would have to substantiate it with actual facts. There is no factual evidence to support that claim that you made. You know it, we know it. It wasn't an accident because you were asked about it in the moment and you doubled down and said it. Again, it wasn't an accident.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, you know how it gets on those.
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Piers Morgan
You believed it.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, you know, in a very high pressure environment, you can end up making mistakes multiple times because you get very caught up in the theatrics of it. And unfortunately the situation with debate is that debate is very much a show, it's a performance. You could say something's against the law and people will say, oh yeah, what law is it against? And if you can't name that law off the top of your head, they technically win the debate. And then you could look up the law afterwards and suddenly be able to prove it. But too late, the debate is over. So I buckled under the pressure of high pressure environment and I made not only one, but two terrible mistakes. And again, I think it's up to the President to set the record straight because people are going to continue to perpetrate these lies and I don't think that's reasonable. I think that needs to come to an end.
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Piers Morgan
That's the only, actually, only Only people who hate him so much they don't care about facts are going to be in that position. I try not to hate politicians.
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Cameron Caskey
I try to look at politicians from a utilitarian perspective. And I think the President is in a place to do a lot of good right now. And the President has so much power that can be used to make the world a better place. And my hopes are the problem.
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Piers Morgan
Cameron is the problem. Cameron is. When you say something like he was part of a human global trafficking ring, you do the cause of holding Trump to account, irreparable damage. And I'm not sure you entirely get that because actually by going that hard wrong about Trump, it just devalues everything else you then say about it. That's the problem.
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Cameron Caskey
Well, this is something we've talked about is the Epstein situation is just so murky because the zone is so flooded with misinformation and a lot of people.
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Piers Morgan
So why don't you just stick to facts? Stick to facts. Literally stick to facts. It's much easier, I promise you, if you're cracking under the pressure of appearing on panel shows like this and saying completely outrageous things, which are lies. My advice to you is to take a bit of a chill pill. Study information, a little bit more detail, study facts and talk about facts. You can put your spin on the facts, but what you can't do is invent allegations of people being part of a global human trafficking setup. Andrew, I want to end on a happier note. I want to play the clip of you and Rogan talking about my shattered hip.
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Andrew Wilson
Every time I see anybody who's 60s, they get the hip injury. It's, it's bad.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, it's not good. I think they, they think your lifespan at post hip surgery is like 10 years.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it's right. And that he'll probably be better than that.
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Piers Morgan
Now, let me assure you, Andrew, that I'd intend to live past 70. The information that Joe was citing there is not entirely erroneous. So it came from a study in 2007. I obviously was panic stricken. And check this. In 2007, when hip replacement operations were not great and they were mainly done on older people then, you know, like in their 70s, 80s. Then the average life expectancy, which it would have been anyway, was around 10 years. However, I can confirm now the surgery is at such an advanced level and the hip replacements themselves are so bionic and fantastic that my hip, I'm told, will last up to 25 years. And I want to take a bet with you now and Joe Rogan I will live as long, if not longer than my new Bionic Hip 500 says I out of my hip.
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Andrew Wilson
You might live longer than me anyway. Right. But the thing is, is like, look, I thought. I thought it was. It was endearing. Nobody was. Was back talking you there. You know, I sent you a dm.
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Piers Morgan
No, no, I'm only kidding. You actually were very kind and you sent me the Wilsons, of course. You sent me a very nice message.
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Andrew Wilson
We, of course, wish you the best recovery. So I do appreciate coming on the panels and you allowing me to tangle with other people's worldviews. And I think over the course of things, you deal with people enough, you kind of become friendly with them and then eventually friends. That's how that works. And I did wish the best for you. I was sorry that that happened. You came up in the course with Rogan because of course, we're talking about different media personalities and you're a character. Right? So you're going to come up. That's how that works. But I do wish you the very best and that your recovery goes very smoothly.
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Joe Walsh
Amen.
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Piers Morgan
Just to be clear, I found it hilarious. I love Joe Rogan. I love you. I thought it was great. The person who didn't find it quite so funny was my mother, who suddenly thought that she might outlive me. So.
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Cameron Caskey
She might outlive us both.
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Andrew Wilson
She might outlive us both.
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Cameron Caskey
Can I just say, Pearson, just. I'm not sure I'll get this opportunity again. So I want to say, given that my primary issues are gun violence and human rights in the Middle east, it was very. It was a great thing for me to see that you're doing well and you. And you look great. Like, it seems like the recovery has been pretty good considering the injury. So as an admirer, let me tell you the.
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Piers Morgan
Let me tell you why I look great. I haven't had a drink in three weeks, so my liver.
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Lydia Moynan
I'd look miserable if I hadn't had a drink in three weeks.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, I feel miserable. But actually, you look good on camera when you don't touch alcohol for three weeks. Plus my wife's got me on a very strict healthy diet, so I don't turn into a couch potato. And I'm doing a lot of physio and a lot of stuff. So actually I'm leading a very abstemious, monk like existence, which is driving me nuts, but actually looks quite good on camera. So maybe there's a lesson for all of us there, which is if you want to look good on camera be unbelievably dull in every regard. Fortunately, not an aspiration for my panel, I suspect. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it.
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Joe Walsh
Thanks, Piers.
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Andrew Wilson
Thank you.
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Piers Morgan
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