"Why Are You GAY?" Piers Morgan of Uganda + Pope's Brother Makes SHOCKING Confession | 2025 Review

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Piers Morgan Uncensored

Episode: "Why Are You GAY?" – Piers Morgan of Uganda + Pope's Brother Makes SHOCKING Confession | 2025 Review

Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Piers Morgan

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Overview

This lively episode of "Piers Morgan Uncensored" is a raucous yearly review and debate panel featuring heated political predictions, reflections on culture wars, and a moving personal confession from the Pope’s brother. The episode also features an interview with Simon Kagwar, the Ugandan broadcaster of the viral "Why Are You Gay?" meme, and a poignant tribute to the late filmmaker Rob Reiner by Harry Shearer.
The panel brings together regulars and guests to analyze 2025's winners and losers and gaze forward into the turbulence and hope of 2026, all with Piers Morgan’s signature irreverence and hard-nosed debate.

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Key Discussion Points

1. 2025 – The Year in Review & Panel Predictions

Participants: Piers Morgan, James Barr, Esther Krakow, Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic), Ernest Owens, Ben Ferguson

• Global Headlines:
  Piers opens (03:33–05:00) with a summary of the year's dizzying headlines: a new American Pope, Biden back in office, the reduction of recognized genders, political resignations, cultural controversies (e.g., disastrous Snow White reboot), celebrity scandals, and major political upheavals (including MAGA infighting and new JFK files release).

• Panel Introductions & Predictions for 2026 (from 04:01):

  • Ben Ferguson: Predicts Trump's approval will rise due to action against narco-terrorists:
    "He’s probably going to start hitting targets on land, taking out the terrorists…" (04:04).
  • James Barr: Playfully dodges political predictions to share "sassy gay opinions." Congratulates Piers for critiquing Trump:
    "I thought your post about him was brilliant and brave." (04:27)
  • Piers Morgan's take: Normalizes friendly critique among peers, even across political divides:
    "To me, there's nothing courageous about it. The only thing I would say to everybody is it's just better to be intellectually honest, not least to yourself... Don't let the tribe dictate to you what you should be thinking." (05:06–05:41)
  • Esther Krakow: Hopes for (and predicts) an England World Cup win; Piers discusses the odds and the era’s soccer/football culture clash (06:28–08:08).
  • Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic): Hollywood’s "woke" trajectory continues to disturb, predicts further creative bankruptcy and reliance on remakes; laments the death of unique comedies and coming-of-age films (09:15–11:34).
  • Ernest Owens: Predicts the implosion of MAGA, citing intra-party rifts and healthcare fights:
    "I think MAGA is going to implode. It's already happening..." (13:24)

Winner & Loser Debate (23:19–33:15)

• James Barr:
  • Biggest loser: Coldplay CEO (re: failed corporate/entertainment gambit);
  • Biggest winner: Taylor Swift for generosity ("She gave them $175 million worth of bonuses. Even the truck drivers got 50 grand each." 23:47).
• Nerdrotic:
  • Biggest loser: Hollywood ("horrible year…worst box office in 30 years"),
  • Winner: Taylor Sheridan for consistent hit-making.
• Ben Ferguson:
  • Loser: "Those poor fishermen off the coast of Venezuela…just trying to catch some fish with cocaine and heroin…" (25:56)
  • Winner: US cities seeing declining crime rates, credits "the President" for policies supporting law and order.
• Ernest Owens:
  • Loser: JD Vance—overexposed and (he believes) unlikely to win greater office;
  • Winner: Democratic Socialists, especially Zohran Mamdani in New York, opening national economic conversations.
• Esther Krakow:
  • Loser: Rachel Zegler for self-destructive political commentary jeopardizing studio investments.
  • Winner: "The ghost of…Jeffrey Epstein," due to new file leaks affecting UK/US elite.

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2. Pop Culture & Identity Politics

The Viral Meme Revisited

• Interview/Segment (15:19–22:17):
  Piers brings in Simon Kagwar, original Ugandan TV host of the "Why Are You gay?" meme, for a tongue-in-cheek exchange. Panelists riff on sexuality, direct questioning, and cultural difference:
  • Simon’s directness is revisited:
    "Why are you gay?" (15:31, 18:24)
  • James Barr humorously subverts the question:
    "I really love sucking dick. Why are you straight?" (18:26)
  • Simon: "I was born straight and I've enjoyed being straight. I have no other option." (18:55)
  • Panel points out cultural differences in attitudes toward sexuality. Piers:
    "It's not contentious in the UK and it's not contentious in the United States. Actually, we don't really have a problem with [being gay]." (21:09)

Hollywood, Wokeism, and Moving Trends

• Panel further discusses (09:15–):
  • Frustration over endless remakes and lack of original content.
  • High praise for "Landman" and Yellowstone as evidence that more traditional (non-woke) programming resonates ("They're proper old fashioned. The men have sex with women. They're all drinking, taking drugs, having fun." – 12:06).
  • Hopes for a return to more universally appealing humor and storytelling.

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3. Spotlight Interview: The Pope’s Brother Confesses

Guest: Louis Prevost, brother to Pope Leo XIV

Life as the Pope’s Sibling (35:26–51:35)

• Louis shares candidly about adjusting to his brother’s rise as “the most powerful…Catholic in the world”:
  • Felt pressure for personal behavior reflecting on the Pope:
    "It just hit me subconsciously that, you know, maybe I ought to change my ways, go back to church and start, you know, being more Catholic, being more observant…" (36:16)
• Weekly conversations with the Pope are mostly about family, not politics or Vatican intrigue:
  • "Most of the time, it's just literally family stuff...How are you feeling? Is the job getting you down? Are you doing all right?" (40:04)
• Poignant confession – Louis returns to church and asks his brother to hear his confession:
  • "When we were there in October...I asked him to hear my confession and I spilled all the beans to him about my past 50 years." (48:33–49:01)
  • Regarding the scope:
    "Everything short of murder and incest, I've probably been there, done that." (51:20)
• The impact:
  • "It was like a thousand pound weight lifted off me when I did that and got back in the good graces of the church...even with my health." (49:12–49:30)
• Louis’s Christmas Message:
  • Calls for remembering the meaning of Christmas, giving to others, and striving to live with compassion in the new year:
    "Whether you're Christian or not Christian, the spirit of the season is to be loving and friendly and warm to people." (46:43–48:10)

Panel Reaction

• Ben Ferguson: Praises the message of forgiveness and reconciliation:
  • "I hope that story...inspires someone to go back to their family and make amends." (52:22)
• Nerdrotic (Gary Buchler): Relates through his own experience as a grateful recovering addict:
  • "There is a second chance. There was for me in my life. I was homeless. I went to prison, and I was able to pull myself out of it." (53:22–54:37)
• Esther Krakow:
  • "He holds his brother in quite high estimation, because most people would not do a confessional...especially to a family member." (55:45)
• Ernest Owens:
  • Wonders how Louis’s renewed faith will shape his politics and family relations (56:22).

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4. Tribute: Remembering Rob Reiner

Interview with Harry Shearer (60:34–69:44)

• Remembrance of Rob Reiner (director, actor, writer):
  • Harry Shearer (the voice of many Simpsons characters and Spinal Tap co-writer):
    • Reacts to the tragedy of Reiner’s murder by his son, Nick.
    • Remembers Reiner as an unparalleled storyteller and a versatile filmmaker:
      "His gift was storytelling and the ability to shape a story…even when improvising." (63:14–64:36)
    • Credits "This Is Spinal Tap" as his personal favorite and influential on the mockumentary genre.
    • Recalls bittersweet anecdotes, including Reiner’s change of heart about the ending of "When Harry Met Sally" after finding love with his (late) wife Michelle (65:29–67:08).
    • Criticizes Trump’s public comments about Reiner’s death as insensitive:
      "It was not beneath the dignity of the American presidency. It was beneath the dignity of a local dog catcher...the extreme narcissism of that moment seemed to me very, very fitting." (68:13–68:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Why are you gay?"
  – Simon Kagwar, viral meme revisited multiple times, panel laughs but uses it as a wedge into discussing how directness and norms around sexuality vary greatly depending on culture. (15:31, 18:24)

• James Barr’s response:
  "I really love sucking dick. Why are you straight?" (18:26)

• Louis Prevost on confession to the Pope:
  "Everything short of murder and incest, I've probably been there, done that." (51:20)

• Piers Morgan on honesty in public debate:
  "Just call things as you see them. Don’t let the tribe dictate to you what you should be thinking." (05:41)

• Harry Shearer on Trump's reaction to Rob Reiner’s murder:
  "It was not beneath the dignity of the American presidency. It was beneath the dignity of a local dog catcher." (68:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Year in Review & Predictions Start: 03:33
• Panelist Predictions (Round 1): 04:01–09:15
• Hollywood’s Woke & Creative Bankruptcy: 09:15–12:00
• Viral Meme & Simon Kagwar Segment: 15:19–22:17
• Winners and Losers of 2025: 23:19–33:15
• Pope’s Brother, Louis Prevost – Confession & Christmas Message: 35:26–51:35
• Tribute to Rob Reiner, featuring Harry Shearer: 60:34–69:44

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Tone and Style

The episode is fast-paced, unsparing, humorous, and at times deeply personal. Morgan’s panelists don't pull any punches—opinions are mixed with jabs, but compassion emerges, especially in the story of Louis Prevost’s reconciliation with his faith and family, and in the closing tributes to Rob Reiner.

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Summary Table

| Segment | Key Themes | Notable Quotes/Timestamps | |-----------------------------------------|-------------------------------------|----------------------------------------| | 2025 Review + Predictions | Culture wars, politics, honesty | "Just better to be intellectually honest... (05:41)" | | Pop Culture & Identity | Meme humor, gay rights, woke debate | "Why are you gay?" (15:31); "I really love sucking dick..." (18:26) | | Winners and Losers | Political & cultural analysis | "She gave them $175 million..." (23:47) | | Pope’s brother's confession | Faith, forgiveness, family | "Everything short of murder and incest..." (51:20) | | Rob Reiner tribute (Harry Shearer) | Legacy, storytelling, loss | "Not beneath the dignity of a dog catcher." (68:13) |

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode captures the essence of "Uncensored": fearless debate, popular memes dissected, harsh truths about culture, and rare, moving personal testimony. If you want bold predictions, comedic relief, and unexpected vulnerability (especially in the remarkable confession from the Pope’s brother), this episode is unmissable.

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Transcript

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[Interviewer / Host]

Thank you for coming in.

[Harry Shearer]

Thank you for having me.

[Esther Krakow]

Good morning.

[Interviewer / Host]

Why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

It's still the funniest thing that's ever been on the Internet. Welcome to Uncensored. Simon Kagwar, Angler.

[Interviewer / Host]

Tell me, Piaz, why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

The biggest winner of 2025 and the biggest loser.

[James Barr]

The biggest loser is the Coldplay CEO. That whole thing just blew up space spectacularly.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Ben Ferguson]

So my biggest loser. Those poor fishermen off the coast of Venezuela, they're just trying to catch some fish with some cocaine and heroin and crack.

[Esther Krakow]

My biggest loser was Rachel Zegler. I mean, that is.

[Piers Morgan]

She shut up about politics. But she is a talented. She's very. She is.

[Esther Krakow]

She is. She can't be talented at wiring her.

[Interviewer / Host]

I don't know.

[Piers Morgan]

Did you. Your brother is obviously the most powerful, important, influential Catholic in the world.

[Louis Prevost]

I asked him to hear my confession and I spilled all the beans to him.

[Piers Morgan]

How spicy were the beans? Mm.

[Ernest Owens]

That's what I wanted to know.

[Louis Prevost]

Everything short of murder and incest.

[Piers Morgan]

It's that special time of year again, when we gather in front of the TV to eat, drink, and have a jolly big argument about the year gone by. So before you all get there, we're once more gathering on the TV for a jolly big argument about the year gone by. And there's been quite a lot to argue about. We got a new American Pope, the first ever. And a new US President. Not the first time we'd had him, who began the year with a revolution of common sense. He slashed the endless spectrum of infinite genders to simply man and woman. Which was all a bit much for state person Justin Trudeau, who resigned as the wokest world leader in the history of peoplekind. Snow White sacked the seven dwarves and became the most hated movie of all time. And somehow that wasn't even the year's biggest screen disaster, as the legendary Coldplay Cutlers were will surely agree. Vladimir Putin got the red carpet. Zelenskyy got a red face after an almighty dressing down for not dressing up the famous fibber George Santos was sent to jail, as was the famous Fiddler P. Diddy. Only one of them got a pardon. And George tells me that's because he's had more number one hits on the Billboard Hot 100. The UK went mad about apparently fascist flags. The US went mad about an apparently fascist salute. The JFK files were released in a triumph for transparency. The Epstein files were not. A man called Balls emerged as the unlikely influence behind massive government cost cutting. A man called Big John emerged as the unlikely voice of reason in a divided Britain. There was a MAGA civil war over just about everything, including briefly, an actual war with Iran. Graham Linehan was arrested in Britain for mean tweets. A British mother was arrested for saying, well, as you well know, I'm not allowed to say it. The Oxford English Dictionary made rage bait, its word of the year, which fittingly enraged me because it's clearly two words. And the whole year was of course dominated and overshadowed by the brutal murder of Charlie Kirk. As we know, he loved the debate and with so much to look back on and so much to look forward to in 2026, that's exactly what we're going to do now. Joining me on the panel is uncensored contributors James Barr and Esther Krakow, Gary Buchler, better known as Nerdrotic, author of the Case for Cancel Culture, Ernest Owens and Ben Ferguson, the co host of the Verdict. We with Ted Cruz. Well, I couldn't wish for better people really for this than this particular gathering of festive merrymakers. So the questions for the panel and I'll start with you if I may, Ben Ferguson, your big prediction for 2026.

[Ben Ferguson]

Donald Trump's approval rating will go up. I think he's going to actually make sure that the narco terrorists are taken out. And my big, big prediction with him, that is he's probably going to start hitting targets on land, taking out the terrorists, which I think the majority of Americans are going.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, James Barr, do you agree?

[Interviewer / Host]

Wow.

[James Barr]

I was just here to give you my sassy opinions. My sassy gay opinions.

[Piers Morgan]

I would love to hear those.

[James Barr]

I mean, his approval rating is up and down, mainly down at the moment. I mean, he's doing a lot, isn't he? It's America first, but there's a lot going on and I'm not sure I can really, I don't really want to comment on Piers. I'd love to say congrats to you actually for coming for him the other day. I thought that your post about him was brilliant and brave.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, actually, I don't think it was either of those things. I criticize him over what he said about the brutal murder of Rob Reiner, but then I've often criticized Trump over the years. We're in a weird place now where anyone who can be friendly with someone but criticize them is seen to be a little bit odd or very brave and bold. Why? I've done that my entire life with you guys.

[James Barr]

Yeah, that's.

[Piers Morgan]

Never mind anything else. Right. We're all friends, but I've had run ins with all of you. I don't think it's either brave or bold or any of those things. I'm a friend of Donald Trump's, have been for 20 years, but I've regularly attacked him and I've regularly praised him when perhaps others didn't want me to. To me, there's nothing courageous about it. The only thing I would say to everybody is it's just better to be intellectually honest, not least to yourself. Right. Just call things as you see them. Don't let the tribe dictate to you what you should be thinking. And if facts change on your side, you, if you have a side, then go with the facts. It's a lot healthier.

[James Barr]

But I think that is great translation.

[Ben Ferguson]

Piers, what you're really saying is if you haven't yelled at any of us, then we're not really your friend, so.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

I'm in for that.

[Ben Ferguson]

I totally get that. But that's what it means.

[Piers Morgan]

If I haven't at you instead of.

[Ben Ferguson]

Mean tweet at you, then we're not actually going to ever be friends.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you know I've probably shouted more at you, Ben Ferguson in the last 15 years than anyone else on this panel. I was shouting at you. I was shouting at you back in the CNN days.

[Ben Ferguson]

We were both younger and your hair wasn't as gr.

[Piers Morgan]

That's true. That is true. But at least it's my own hair color, which is another question. Let me come to Esther Krakow. Lovely to see you because you're spending a lot of time in America. Now you're back here for a bit. Great to see you in London. What do you think? What's your big prediction for 2026?

[Esther Krakow]

I think that England will win the World Cup. I hope so. I really like it. Years. I tell you what, I always look forward to that.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, it's interesting you mentioned the World cup because I'm going to be watching this very, very closely. Let's take a look at the predictions market with polymarket. Spain is predicted to have a 15% chance of winning the World cup, they're the favorites. France is at 13%, England on 12%. So they're all pretty close. Argentina, the current World cup champions. 11%. Then Brazil, Portugal and Germany all in the single digits. I mean, it's going to be an amazing tournament. England have a great team. There's no question. There won't be climate issues, so that won't be an excuse. What we are going to see is you're going to see the last World cup for Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, the two greatest, in my view, to ever play the game. I have Ronaldo ahead of Messi. Others have different. But it's going to be an amazing tournament to watch these two great titans bow out. I think we can all agree, and sorry about this, Ben, that America have two hopes of winning the World Cup. No hope and Bob Hope. But I did like Donald Trump recently.

[Ben Ferguson]

I have a very American question. Can there be a tie in the World Cup? Because I don't like going to sports where there's no winner. And that's the problem with y' all's football.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. You can, in fact, in the early stages, in regular time, there'll be. We call it a draw. Yeah. And, but I did like the fact. I did like the fact that Donald Trump recently said, it's time that we called what you offensively call soccer football. Because it came along a long time before your football. And you get a new name for your sport because your sport is basically rugby with padding and helmets.

[Esther Krakow]

Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

Because you're all a bunch of girls.

[Ben Ferguson]

Lousy willing to listen to this. As soon as you guys stop having ties in a damn game. Like, no one wakes up in the morning, America's like, let's go watch a game where no one's going to win. Like, that's insane.

[Esther Krakow]

I'll tell you this.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me tell you, the best one of all for Americans is the. The cricket. Right? So we've got the Ashes series at the moment. Now, there have been two victories for Australia, but in an Ashes series, there are five matches, okay? Each one lasts up to five days. Each day is seven to eight hours of play. So you can end up with 200 hours of play and the score can be 00 at the end of it. And that is why Americans will never play cricket or be interested because they cannot get their heads around a sport that could end up with nil. Nil. Let me go to Nedrotic, waiting patiently, your predictions. I mean, particularly in the movie world, because there were Some shocking moments in 2025 of, of wokeism trying to wreck everyone's fun, but some. Also some outbreaks of, you know, good stuff as well. What do you think is going to happen next year?

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

I think it's going to be more the same as basically Hollywood kicked the can down the road for way too long, staying with woke way too long. And now they are trying to adjust midstream and they're finding it really diffic because once we get past the woke, we have a much larger problem. Aside from AI, we have created bankruptcy. We have all the major releases, the tentpole releases that drive the theaters are all some sort of remake, remake. A live action remake of an animated film that's actually just animated. And they aren't really pushing the envelope. They're not being innovative anymore.

[Piers Morgan]

And you know what?

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Bring it on.

[Piers Morgan]

I was, I was reminded of this by the death of the murder of Rob Reiner. Awful thing to happen, obviously.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

But I was reminded of his extraordinary body of work when he had a run of smash hit movies one after another. But they were all different genres, right? A Few Good Men, When Harry Met Sally, Stand By Me, all these amazing films which have become absolute classics one after another. And I remember thinking, where are any of those kind of movies now? Where is the great brilliantly written sitcom rom com? Where is the great. Where is the great drama like A Few Good Men? Where is the poignant film like Stand By Me? And the truth is they are in very small supply now.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

They are. And what's that? Shows the health of the ecosystem of Hollywood and the entertainment capital of the world is we don't have comedies anymore. Like, what was the last great comedy? And all of those are being pretty much shoved off on streaming now. And your middle of the road film is just made into a streaming series that's purely for content. Where are the great directors?

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[Esther Krakow]

Say this as well. Where are the coming of age films? I mean, no one wants to tell a story of what actually growing up looks like anymore. Because everyone thinks growing up, you're questioning whether you should be taking.

[Piers Morgan]

Nobody growing up actually knows how to grow up.

[Esther Krakow]

Or like wearing makeup as a boy at the age of 10. Like everyone is trying to tell A different story about coming of age.

[Piers Morgan]

Here's my prediction. Here's my prediction.

[Ben Ferguson]

You mean Wokeism killed films, Piers? Is that what.

[Piers Morgan]

I'll tell you what.

[Ben Ferguson]

They make good movies because they're afraid of jokes.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I'll tell you here's the cavalry is coming in this way. I think my favorite thing on TV at the moment is Landman, right? Which is absolutely.

[Ben Ferguson]

It's amazing.

[Piers Morgan]

It's brilliant.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Brilliant.

[Piers Morgan]

And it's written by the genius that gave us Yellowstone and the beauty operators. They don't preach about woke. They're proper old fashioned. You know, the men have sex with women. They're all drinking, they're all taking drugs, they're all having fun. Things are getting great, things are being blown up.

[Ben Ferguson]

They rip on the View.

[Piers Morgan]

It is gloriously inappropriate, right. In every possible way. And it's middle America and it's real people having real lives. Right? And I think you're going to see a lot more of this. I think people are going to look at the massive success of landmine Yellowstone, the. What's the one about the hunting wives on Netflix. Fantastically inappropriate. They're all lesbians, but they're having a great time. And I just think you're gonna see.

[James Barr]

So you only wanna see men drinking, eating lamb and lesbians.

[Piers Morgan]

We'll do an unreconstructed bro Bat Mountain sequel just for you. I would love a reconstruction just for you, James.

[James Barr]

Ernest, you can be this better.

[Piers Morgan]

Oh, please let me bring Ernest in. Ernest, how are you?

[Ernest Owens]

I'm good. I was just gonna say I was surprised no one said anything about any cinema. Sydney Sweeney films, she's a good example.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, some of them are shit. Some of them are good.

[Esther Krakow]

I only watch Sydney Sweeney.

[Piers Morgan]

Ernest, what's your big prediction, Ernest for next year?

[Ernest Owens]

I think Mega is going to implode. It's already happening, but it's going to really implode next year in a big way. It's very obvious as we speak right now, Republicans are breaking from the House in disagreement over health care. That's happening as Republicans try to take the last subsidies that we have of health care in America for everyone, whether they're Democrats or Republicans. And I think this anger that people are having with Trump and even within Mega itself is going to implode at the midterms next year.

[Piers Morgan]

Actually, I find myself in a very unusual position of thinking you might be right. I can tell by Ben Ferguson's fixed green that a little part of him thinking, you know what, Ernest might be onto something here because it Definitely.

[Ben Ferguson]

I've never asked you to let me come back on your show publicly. Please, one year from now, can I do this show? I'm going to look at both of you. I'm going to be like, you had no idea what you're talking about.

[Piers Morgan]

But I do think. I do think maga. I do think maga's having an identity crisis. And I think the catalyst for it was denying it. The Epstein files was the catalyst for it. But you're now seeing it, Elon Musk. A lot of it. Yeah, I agree. I think, Ernest, unusually, your political antennae seem to be a bit on the money here, which is very unusual for all of us.

[Ben Ferguson]

They're fighting.

[Ernest Owens]

They're fighting even. Even within their own cabinet. Like they're backstabbing.

[Ben Ferguson]

They're not fighting.

[Ernest Owens]

Backstabbing each other.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

They don't have.

[Ernest Owens]

They're supposed to be.

[Piers Morgan]

I'll tell you what, let's not over. Let's not over.

[Ernest Owens]

And they're not getting anything done.

[Piers Morgan]

All right? We're trying to do. We're trying to do a Christmas special. Let's not overdo the politics. But we'll definitely bring Ben Ferguson back after the midterms because I suspect we're going to see a bit of a blood. See a bit of a bloodbath. Now, one of the most surprising controversies of this year involving the F word was inspired in no small part by a 2012 interview on Uganda morning Television, which become one of the most popular Internet memes of all time. Here's a reminder.

[Interviewer / Host]

We bring in the studio this morning one of the gay rights activists. Mr. Should I call you Mr. Pepe? Julian Onzima, thank you for coming in.

[Harry Shearer]

Thank you for having me.

[Piers Morgan]

Good morning to you.

[Interviewer / Host]

Why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

He says I'm gay. Yes. Simon Kagwar. Angela's interview on the Morning Bree show went viral again this year, thanks to a bit of promotion from Tucker Carlson. It's still the funniest thing that's ever been on the Internet. But why is it funny? And why does almost everyone find it funny? Left, right, straight, gay? Well, because it's kind of the key question, and it's kind of the question that no one in the United States is allowed to ask, why are you gay? Well, Tucker even brought it up in my interview with him last month. You talk to a Pakistani cab driver and you're like, why are you gay? And they will start laughing because they've watched the video and they're like, I'm not gay, I'm a man. We'll See what I'll do with my. Ask a single Briton, why are you gay? They're like, well, I'm not gay, but it would be okay if I was. Well, I'm delighted to say that. Joining me now is the Ugandan broadcaster and interrogator Simon Kagwar, Angler. Welcome to uncensored.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, pleasure. Pleasure to be with you. Piers, how are you?

[Piers Morgan]

You've been described, Simon, as the Piers Morgan of Uganda. Do you take that as a compliment or not?

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, that's quite humbling, though. Ridiculous.

[Piers Morgan]

Your life has changed dramatically since that clip went viral. You now have your own YouTube channel. You're hugely famous. You're probably Uganda's most famous person. Were you expecting the reaction that you had?

[Interviewer / Host]

To be quite honest, to me, it passed off as one of those ordinary interviews on a good day at the peak of a very controversial subject when Uganda wanted to introduce the anti homosexuality act. So I was only curious to weigh in the conversation. And that's why I invited a lady, a gentleman, pardon me. That's when I invited Pepe Julian Onze.

[Piers Morgan]

Right. And you listen, I like your direct style of interviewing. We actually have. We have James Barr with us, who is probably one of the most famous gay people in the country here. Have you got a question for him, Simon?

[Ernest Owens]

Why is he straight?

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, hi, man.

[James Barr]

Do you have a question for me, Simon?

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, it's nice connecting with you. Welcome to Uganda.

[Louis Prevost]

Thank you.

[James Barr]

It's a pleasure to be here.

[Piers Morgan]

Simon, what question do you have for James?

[Interviewer / Host]

Should I call you Mr. Or Mrs.

[James Barr]

Well, my name is. I guess my pronoun is he. So you can call me mister.

[Ben Ferguson]

He guesses.

[Interviewer / Host]

Why are you gay?

[James Barr]

I really love sucking dick. Why are you.

[Piers Morgan]

Oh my God.

[James Barr]

Why are you straight?

[Piers Morgan]

That's a good question. Why are you straight?

[James Barr]

Why are you straight?

[Piers Morgan]

Why are you straight? I'd love to know.

[Interviewer / Host]

Where am I straight?

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Why did you. Why did you.

[James Barr]

Is there a delay on the light?

[Piers Morgan]

There is a delay. There is a delay.

[James Barr]

You're just struggling.

[Piers Morgan]

There is a delay. So, Simon, it's a very good question. Why are you straight? I mean, when did you make that decision?

[Ernest Owens]

That's a good question.

[Interviewer / Host]

I was born straight and I've enjoyed being straight. I have no other option.

[Piers Morgan]

Right. But two members of my panel were born gay and had no option. And over here we think that's completely normal.

[Esther Krakow]

I think Pastor Martin Semple would disagree, but.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, wow.

[Piers Morgan]

What do you think of that?

[Ernest Owens]

Is there another delay?

[Piers Morgan]

Simon, have you been stunned into silence? I think.

[Ernest Owens]

Might be a Delay?

[James Barr]

I think Simon's delay is due to the fact that he's literally living in the 1950s. Simon, I'd love to know, do you perform the straight obligations with your partner?

[Piers Morgan]

I think he does, yes.

[Interviewer / Host]

And there is evidence to that. I got four kids and a very beautiful wife. The most gorgeous, actually. And I have a crush on pretty ladies.

[Piers Morgan]

Really?

[Louis Prevost]

Really.

[Piers Morgan]

Does your wife mind you have a crush on pretty lady?

[Interviewer / Host]

Apologetically? Yes.

[James Barr]

Well, you wanted to call me Mrs. Do you have a crush on me? Am I a pretty lady to you?

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, Dan, you can't be a Mrs.

[James Barr]

Can you ask Piers if he's gay? Because I've been wondering for a while.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, please, Morgan, I need a queen. I need this to go queen viral. Can you please ask Pier Morgan the exact same question? And I want it to go viral. You're going to be quiet. I'm directing right now. No one can. Okay, go.

[Piers Morgan]

Come on, Simon, come on, ask me the question.

[Interviewer / Host]

Tell me, P. Why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

You know what? I like to remain ambiguous about my sexuality because there's a lot of money in the pink pound. Simon, I really recommend you explore your sexuality in public.

[Interviewer / Host]

I find it quite inevitable that I have to identify as a man while at the same time, of course, we are in this era where you got to be tolerant, you got to be. You got to be social and interact with people of different orientation. It remains a very contentious issue, though.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, it does in Uganda. It's not contentious in the UK and it's not contentious in the United States. Actually, we don't really have a problem with being.

[Interviewer / Host]

But having grown up in a very conservative environment, we're still grappling with acceptance to the new norm. What you call the new norm.

[Piers Morgan]

Out of interest, Simon, what would you do if one of your kids said they were gay?

[Interviewer / Host]

I would collapse.

[James Barr]

No, you would say, why are you gay? Surely.

[Ben Ferguson]

Why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

You say, why are you. Why are you gay? I gotta say, I would love to. I would love to be there for that conversation.

[Ben Ferguson]

He would say, son, son, why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

Simon, we've got. We've got to leave it there. It's been great having you on uncensored and I appreciate you entering to the Christmas spirit with our debate. Thank you.

[James Barr]

Nice to meet you, Simon.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, fantastic. Fantastic.

[James Barr]

If your children need any advice, good.

[Interviewer / Host]

To be with you and have a lovely time.

[Piers Morgan]

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[James Barr]

I mean, for me, I think the biggest loser is the Coldplay CEO, the Coldplay cuddling, and also just Coldplay in general because I think they felt incredibly awkward about that. I know Chris Martin felt terrible. And I mean, you're meant to feel safe at a Coldplay concert. And that whole thing just blew up spectacularly. And my biggest winner, well, I guess Taylor Swift is a big winner.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[James Barr]

I think also Megan Marshall, did you.

[Piers Morgan]

Watch that clip of Taylor Swift giving all her crew the bonuses?

[James Barr]

Just beautiful.

[Piers Morgan]

I mean, she gave them literally, very.

[Ben Ferguson]

Cool music, but she's.

[Piers Morgan]

She gave them $175 million worth of bonuses. So even the truck driver's got 50 grand each. Right?

[James Barr]

It's really interesting because, you know, you don't do that to your panelists because. Be lovely.

[Interviewer / Host]

Don't worry.

[Esther Krakow]

I'm waiting for my.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, we're waiting for our big bag of cars. My bonus to you is I'll have you back on next year. What could be a greater. What could be a greater gift? Who's your. Thank you. Who's your biggest. You said Meghan Markle is one of the biggest winners.

[James Barr]

I think Meghan Markle is going to run for president in 2026. So we're moving on from MAGA to mega. That's the plan.

[Piers Morgan]

Oh, from MAGA to mega.

[Ben Ferguson]

Running mate is going to be the guy who says, why are you gay?

[Piers Morgan]

All right, well, listen, James, I appreciate you coming on. I know you got to go. So thank you very much indeed. We'll let you go. Let me come to Nedrotic. Your biggest winners and losers of this year.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Well, I have given this no thought, but I will say the biggest loser in, well, in my sphere anyway, is for Hollywood would be Hollywood, they had a horrible year. They had an October that was the worst box office for them in 30 years without adjusting for inflation. AI is coming. They're feeling all the consequences of the ill timed and stupid strikes that they went on at the same time with the WGA and the Screen Actors Guild. And they're facing the consequences of also pissing off half the country for about five years straight, consistently.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I agree. Who would you, who would your winner be of the year?

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Oh, man. Taylor Sheridan. He keeps cranking out hit after hit. Yeah, Paramount somehow let him go and he just made a huge deal. And I don't know what that does for the future of some of my favorite shows right now include including Landman. But he is the biggest winner by far.

[Piers Morgan]

I think he's a genius, that guy. And I think the stuff he does just resonates so well.

[Ben Ferguson]

Why our country gets it.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, that's 100%. And there's a lesson there for everyone. Don't sneer at half your audience. Right. Why would you? Well, Ben, Ben, let me come to you, your winners and losers of 2025.

[Ben Ferguson]

So my biggest loser is those poor fishermen off the coast of Venezuela. They're just trying to catch some fish with some cocaine and heroin and crack and fentanyl and they're just getting blown up. So that's probably my biggest loser of the year is those poor fishermen down there that you somehow look like they're just running down.

[Piers Morgan]

What if some of them actually are fishermen?

[Ben Ferguson]

They're not. Like, they're not.

[Piers Morgan]

How do you know?

[Ben Ferguson]

Like, I've, I've been fishing a lot. You don't fish with cocaine and fentanyl. Like, you don't need seven engines on.

[Piers Morgan]

The back to get to the people that do exactly that. That's how they get to the lower knights.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, no, like this is. You're going into conspiracy theory land. They're hitting narco terrace. I'm so glad it's happening to them and I'm glad that the drugs are getting blown up. 300Americans and it's just in America die every day from overdoses coming from those boats. It's also going to Europe and it's killing people. We would never allow a plane crash today to be acceptable by terrorism. Why are we allowing it with narco terrorism in America alone?

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, and who's your, who's your big winner of the year?

[Ben Ferguson]

My big winner is liberal cities in America that have crime rates that are dropping to all time lows in my lifetime. Washington D.C. memphis, Tennessee, New Orleans, Chicago, what they're seeing with, with, with law and order coming back to these cities because the President is truly saving lives. And I think that's actually the biggest winner, even though some of the people there don't even realize it yet.

[Piers Morgan]

Out of interest, I'm going to come to. So I'll come back to you, Ben, because I want. Ernest, I think you've got. A loser is actually a political figure. Who is it?

[Ernest Owens]

My loser is J.D. vance.

[Piers Morgan]

See, that's interesting because Polymarket have J.D. vance as the lead contender to win the 2028 presidential election with 32%, followed by Gavin Newsom on 18%, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez on 8%, and Donald Trump on 4%. Because he keeps suggesting he may run again. I don't think he will. But on that point, Ben, before I come back to Earnest for his winner, is JD Vance a shoo in, do you think to replace Trump on the Republican ticket or not?

[Ben Ferguson]

No, I don't. I don't think so. I think I've said this for a while. Careful what you wish for. When you get too close to the sun, sometimes you get burned. And J.D. vance has got it. He's gonna have to figure out how to become his own man, his own candidate, while also not making Donald Trump and the base of Trump angry and not being overshadowed. But I think you're gonna see a robust, wide open Republican field. I do not believe it's gonna be a coronation at all.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you know who I think the most impressive operator is in that? I think it's Marco Rubio.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, he's a silent sleeper. There's no doubt about it.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Ben Ferguson]

Okay, Pierce, you remember this when you said Rubio for a second? This is a guy that grabbed water and was like shaking. Remember that?

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Ben Ferguson]

And the pause there like this. Talk about like the guy who just completely reinvented himself. They should do a Harvard study and teach the. The 2.0. Marco Rubio. He went from almost not even running for reelection as a senator to now look at what he's doing as Secretary of State. It truly is a political case study and how to reinvent yourself. And I gotta give him credit and his team, they've done an amazing job.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I agree. Okay, and who's your big winner then? Ernest?

[Ernest Owens]

Not that I personally agree with all the tactics, but I will say the Democratic socialists, they got Maudani in there. I love the.

[Piers Morgan]

I think him alone, actually, it's indisputable that he is one of the big political winners of the year. And it's been fascinating.

[Ernest Owens]

Yes, I would say that that coalition, though, because it's not even just him. It's getting to stretch on a conversation nationally based on the economic state we're in. He's opened that door for a larger conversation. And there's starting to be people in other cities across the country that are also picking that up. So I would say there's a number, Ernest.

[Piers Morgan]

There's a real. I think there's a real peril. I mean, apart from the fact he's a massive Arsenal fan, which I do like that about Mamdani, he's a genuine Arsenal fan. He knows all the players, all the history. I love that. But it's going to be, in a way, what he does in New York may end up being the referendum for the Democrats going into 2028. If he turns things around in New York and he turns out not to be the devil incarnate that he's been painted by the right, then that's going to be.

[Ben Ferguson]

If crime is going down in City.

[Piers Morgan]

Town, I'm just going to say, if he turns out to be successful, that could be a real green light for them to choose a progressive candidate. But conversely, if it all goes to hell in a handcart in New York under Mamdani, it could have the opposite effect. You know, I still think, I still think the Democrats have to find somebody. Obviously, he can't run because he's not an American citizen, but they've got to. I think they've got to find somebody just a bit more to the center. They've got to find this real quick.

[Ernest Owens]

I want to say this real quick. The crime across those cities were going down before Trump came in there.

[Piers Morgan]

I Live in Philadelphia, D.C. neal is.

[Esther Krakow]

A hellscape, and he is not going down to Philadelphia. I said to someone who's been to New York many times, it feels extremely.

[Ernest Owens]

Unsafe as a woman. It's been going on in other cities.

[Ben Ferguson]

I'm sorry to say this, but you couldn't read it.

[Ernest Owens]

But we need to stick with some facts, because in Baltimore, crime is going down without that. In Philadelphia, crime is going on without that. I just want to say that the.

[Esther Krakow]

Main platform that these Democratic socialists or the main issue that they're campaigning on is the cost of living, which is basically going to be the do or die for the Republican Party at this point. Now, there are some indications that energy prices are going to come down drastically next year. We'll have to wait and see on that, especially with fuel prices and all of that. But basically, if Donald Trump and the Republicans don't get a handle on the cost of living and the cost of housing, let me tell you which is the number one issue, let me tell you.

[Piers Morgan]

It is always. It is always the economy. Stupid. Exactly. People can pretend other things, but it is always the economy. And Trump's got a lot of work to do, particularly in the run up to the midterms. He's got to get the economy back on track in the way that he promised. You can launch all the tariff wars and everything else. I saw the merit, the argument, understood what he was trying to do. But if the impact is on the average American when they go and buy their week shopping in a negative way, they ain't going to buy it and they're not going to vote for it. So it'd be very interesting year. Okay, Esther, your winners and losers for the year.

[Esther Krakow]

So my biggest loser was Rachel Zegler, who's really, I mean, her mouth is.

[Piers Morgan]

The opposite of the mighty. She was brilliant in Evita. I went to see the first night in London. She was absolutely fantastic.

[Ernest Owens]

Come back. Come back here.

[Interviewer / Host]

But the thing is.

[Ernest Owens]

Come back.

[Esther Krakow]

It's very rare for a single person to cost a studio hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, that is.

[Piers Morgan]

She doesn't shut up about politics. But she is a talented, she's very talented.

[Esther Krakow]

That's what makes her a loser, because she knows she's talented. She just can't. She can't be talented at wiring her tablets.

[Piers Morgan]

I don't know. Did you say who's your winner?

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Which movie she was in? She wasn't very good in that.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, no, she was great. I'm gonna say Evita. She was fantastic. Who is your winner?

[Esther Krakow]

The ghost of the world's most famous pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, who we could not escape this year. I mean, he de princed a prince, which is, which is, I think some sort of new revelation.

[Piers Morgan]

And by the way, there is a long way to go with these leaks from the Epstein files. You know, you think it's already taken down Prince Andrew, his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, they've been basic sponge for public life. It took down Lord Mandelson, the new UK ambassador to Washington. He had to go. And that's just some of the early leaks in these emails. We haven't seen the half of it. We haven't seen probably a tenth of it. There are a lot of.

[Ben Ferguson]

There will be more.

[Piers Morgan]

A lot of famous people sweating this Christmas, I can tell you. And certainly I totally agree. They should bloody swear. And I want to know exactly who they are and what they did and all the lies they've told probably about their association with him. Really interesting to me. The Epstein thing comes down to this. Those who disowned him when he got convicted for being a pedophile, that's one thing. Those who carried on consorting with him and partying with him and doing business with him, that's a very different thing. You can't, very different. You can't claim plausible deniability if you knew he was a convicted pedophile. But we will see. We'll see. I mean, they're all, the deadline for these files is I think three days, isn't it? So we'll find out Friday. So they may even, as we're talking, they may even be out. You've seen their vibrant ads illuminating billboards and train stations for many years now. It's time you actually saw the show. Shen Yun is celebrating its 20th anniversary, a dazzling run which has seen iconic performances at iconic venues like the Kennedy center, the London Colosseum and the Sydney Opera House. Each season tours to more than 200 cities worldwide. You'll see classical Chinese dance, a live orchestra and stunning animated backdrops which bring to life 5,000 years of Chinese civilization. World class performers in flawless costumes tell a story of myths, legends, warriors and heavenly realms all set to stunning music. It's been described as inspiring, uplifting and life affirming. And if you're looking for an unforgettable gift for your family, I really recommend that you check it out. Visit shenyum.compeers to waive all ticketing fees when you order. That's shenyum.com peers. Let's go to the next question, which is Pope Leo. So we're going to bring a new guest in here. The Pope Leo XIV will soon deliver his first Christmas message as the first ever American Pope. Now, I couldn't get him to do this show, unfortunately, but I'm very pleased to say we have the second best, which is the Pope's brother, Louis Prevost. Welcome back to Uncensored. Lovely to see you.

[Louis Prevost]

Thank you. Glad to be back. Glad to talk to you again.

[Piers Morgan]

What has it been like for you to be the Pope's brother this year, this momentous year for your family?

[Louis Prevost]

To say it's been life changing is putting it mildly. It's been a whole new experience, obviously not just from things like this where people are after us to talk to them and talk about the Pope or how we are as a family still, but just all around. Everything from my own behavior as A Catholic. I, you know, gone back to the Church more so than I. I've always been Catholic, but not the best. But since he's been made Pope, it's awoken me, and I've come back to the Church.

[Piers Morgan]

Really?

[Louis Prevost]

How interesting, the popularity. It's been quite a change. Yes, yes. When you realize maybe I haven't been the best. Now my brother's there and I see. It's unfortunate, but it's a way of life. It's like when I'm here with you, people see how I act. That reflects on him as the Pope, and I don't want to certainly shine a bad light on him or have people continue to say I'm kind of like the black sheik of the family going on, and I get a lot of heat. I know some of your guests have been talking about. You probably are aware I'm pretty much a Max kind of guy. And I get a lot of heat from all over the world for being that. I get letters in the mail saying I should change my ways. I'm horrible person for supporting Trump this and that. And, you know, your Pope, your brother, the Pope would be ashamed of you. You're going to burn in hell. That stuff never used to happen when he wasn't who he was, but so now I have to take that into account and, you know, behave. You know, not that I'm bad or evil or do horrible things, but it just hit me subconsciously that, you know, maybe I ought to change my ways, go back to church and start, you know, being more Catholic, being more observant, and then being, shall I say, less hostile to some people that I don't agree with. You know, I've toned down my tweets and my Facebook posts because they always catch fire, end up on the news saying the Pope's brother said, and the Pope hears it. And then I hear it from him and my other brother about, can you please not be so vocal about things or, you know, so negative.

[Ben Ferguson]

Every family's got one. You're the guy. It's okay. Yeah, here's his guy. I'm that guy. You got good company here.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Yeah, I can identify, too.

[Ernest Owens]

He wants to be more civil.

[Interviewer / Host]

He wants.

[Piers Morgan]

But actually, on a serious. I think it's really honest of you to say that, Liz, but on a serious point, you know, your brother is obviously the most powerful, important, influential Catholic in the world. He must be delighted that you've come back to the church so fulsomely.

[Ernest Owens]

Yeah.

[Louis Prevost]

I would imagine so. I mean, we haven't talked about that kind of thing. I know. I'm pretty sure he knew. You know, I wasn't the best Catholic. I left home before my other two brothers. They're a lot closer together than I am to them because I was off in the Navy. They were still, I think, in high school or just starting college. So I missed a lot of stuff with them growing up. And, you know, the thing they remember most is probably me beating up on them all the time.

[Ben Ferguson]

That means you're a good big brother.

[Louis Prevost]

That drove them. That's right. That drove them to be closer together. So they talk pretty much every day. I get to talk to my brother, the Pope, about once a week. They include me in their conversations just. Just to be, you know, civil and keep the family together as best as possible. But out of interest.

[Piers Morgan]

Out of interest, you have this weekly conversation with your brother, but he's now the Pope, so what do you talk about, given the context of this extraordinary role he now has?

[Ben Ferguson]

And don't tell us the weather.

[Louis Prevost]

Well, you'd be surprised. There's very little talk about politics or papal things, duties. He may. He will tell me, like, before he made his trip to Turkey and Lebanon, the Middle east, he told us he was planning to do that. So we knew that ahead of time, before that came out. But most of the time, it's just literally family stuff. Like, how are you? How are you feeling? Is the job getting you down? Are you doing all right? Are you surviving? I mean, you know, that's a big step from what he was doing before as basically a missionary. He was a bishop in Peru for one of the dioceses. Chulacanis, I think, or Chiclaya, I'm not sure. I don't remember. And now, all of a sudden, he's the head of the whole church. He's got a lot of duties. The only time we get to that, when we do talk, is late at night for him, 10:30, 11:00 clock at night, right before he goes to bed, because he's done working.

[Piers Morgan]

But I've got to say, Louis, I've got to say about your brother, I've never met him. I hope that changes. I'd love to meet him, love to interview him, but I've been, as a Catholic myself, I've been so impressed by him as a Pope. I mean, to be the first American Pope brings with it enormous. Just never mind anything else. To be the head of the Catholic Church brings enormous pressures. He just has a serenity about him and a confidence and a sort of calmness and a wisdom and intelligence way beyond his experience of doing this job. And I've just found him really impressive as the Pope. I have to say.

[Louis Prevost]

It is. He's. I kind of knew when he did get elected, you know, to us, to me, knowing his background, where he'd been, the previous positions he's held in the Augustinian order and just in the church in general, even up through when Pope Francis elevated into cardinal, that he had a background with people on all levels, all political sides, different countries around the world. He's been pretty much everywhere I thought I was to a lot of places, but he's been all over the place. He just had the background for it. He has the personality for it. He's got the patience of a saint. He's got the ability to listen and to actually hear and understand what people are saying and then to talk back to them so that in a way that they can understand. And it's just, again, something about him that we saw way back when he was a little kid. There was just something special about the way he talked, walked interfaced with people. Just incredible. From almost day one.

[Piers Morgan]

Amazing.

[Louis Prevost]

And you knew. We didn't know. But when you have multiple people and your brother's in, like, third grade, second grade, third grade, and the nuns are saying you're going to be pope one day, and people in the neighborhood, same thing. Knowing his proclivity to be holy and play priest and whatnot, it was just written all over the place that he was something special and definitely had a calling. And this is where it ended, where it brought him to. And he dragged us with him, kicking and screaming.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, but I love the fact. I like the fact, Lewis, that he doesn't. He doesn't know yet that you've come back to the church so wholeheartedly. I think we'll have to send him this conversation because if I'm, you know, if you're the pope and your own brother, your older brother has come back to the church, I think that's a powerful thing. That's a big thing for Piers, a brother, to hear.

[Ben Ferguson]

Lewis is, by the way, in a club. A very, very, very, like, small club. Louis, I just need you one day to change your profile. Profile description is I've whooped the Pope's ass. I just need that one day up there because not many people can say that they beat the Pope's ass.

[Piers Morgan]

You did.

[Ben Ferguson]

You should just stick that in your. In your LinkedIn profile for a child.

[Piers Morgan]

Given we all have a request to make, I would like to say that I'm A fan of Arsenal Football Club in the uk, Lewis, and we're currently top of the Premier League and top of the European Champions League. And if you did, in your next conversation with your brother, have an opportunity to suggest there could be some kind of papal blessing to ensure we win one or both of those titles, I would be personally very grateful.

[Louis Prevost]

Who else is in the competition?

[Piers Morgan]

I don't want to put any other.

[Louis Prevost]

Names in your head.

[Piers Morgan]

I don't want any other names in your head.

[Louis Prevost]

Okay, I. I hear you.

[Ben Ferguson]

We don't want to tie.

[Piers Morgan]

Louis, I know you've taken time out to be here. I really appreciate it. It's lovely to talk to you. I feel like you're a friend of the show. Nana, it's great to see you. Your brother will obviously give his first Christmas message and we'll wait eagerly to hear what he has to say. But I want to give you the chance to end our chat today by giving. Let's have an alternative Christmas message from you, the Pope's brother. What would you like to say to people at this Christmas? It's a very familiar story when it comes to debt. The banks win, you pay fees, and phone calls pile up every month unless you fight back. PDS debt has helped hundreds of thousands of people cut debt and put money back in their pockets. If you're struggling with credit cards, personal loans, and medical bills, PDS offers custom options to help you get out of debt fast. They'll go beyond the numbers to understand your unique situation and craft a personalized plan. There's no minimum credit score, and they have an A rating with the Better Business Bureau. Don't wait another month. Take back control. In 30 seconds, get your free personalized assessment. And the best option for [e-mail] peers. That's PDS. PDSdet.com peers.

[Louis Prevost]

Oh, boy. I'm not very popely.

[Piers Morgan]

So what would you like to see with the world in 2026, Louis?

[Louis Prevost]

Well, you know, obviously we all want to see all these wars all over the place and the nonsense in Gaza, and it just. Again, you know, it's cliche to say, whatever, world peace, right? We're striving for that. Trump is striving for that. I also just with my newfound. I shouldn't say newfound, with my return to being full fledged Catholic, you know, I gotta say, we need to remember what Christmas is all about, which I've kind of started to do this year. It's not all about me and what I'm gonna get. It's what can I give to to others, you know, what can I give to the poor here in Florida, in Port Charlotte? What can I give to the church, to the homeless? It's just remember what Christmas is for. Keep it, keep the faith. Whether you're Christian or not Christian, the spirit of the season is to be loving and friendly and warm to people. So that's what I would say. Remember the spirit of Christmas. Have a happy and joyous Christmas with friends and family and at the same time, with the start of the new year, make the new year your best year yet.

[Piers Morgan]

What a great message.

[Louis Prevost]

That's what I can say, Lewis.

[Piers Morgan]

That's a wonderful message of hope and optimism.

[Louis Prevost]

Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

And a reminder of what Christmas is actually about. And you're so right to say that. Please send my very best to your brother. You're the only person that can do that.

[Louis Prevost]

I will.

[Piers Morgan]

And say that for Ms. Catholic across the pond in London. I think he's doing a great job.

[Louis Prevost]

I'll just add one more thing with your comment about telling my brother about and letting him see this, that I've returned to the church. He's well aware that when we were there in October, this is going to go out over public broadcast. But I asked him to hear my confession.

[Piers Morgan]

Really?

[Louis Prevost]

And I spilled all the beans to him about my past 50 years.

[Piers Morgan]

Wow.

[Louis Prevost]

So he is well aware. That kind of confirmed what he thought, I'm sure. And now he's aware that I'm back.

[Piers Morgan]

So that's amazing.

[Louis Prevost]

Well, that's cool. When I went to school, you know, in Catholic school years ago, the thought was, if you've done this or that a normal priest can't hear your confession, you have to go higher up the ladder. So when this stuff started sinking in, I thought, well, I'm not going to bother my parish priest as he's going to send me the bishop. The bishop's going to send me somebody else. Since my brother's now the head guy, I'm just gonna go to the head guy and get it all out there. Yeah, maybe I, maybe I have some family influence. I don't know. But I thought I said, hey, would you hear my confession? And he said no. And I was dejected and heartbroken. But eventually we worked it out and he did and I'm back. You know, confession people that don't go to confession don't know what it's all about. I can tell you this is off the topic. Topic, but it was like a thousand pound weight lifted off me when I did that and got back in the good graces. Of the church. It was incredible. It had been, obviously, a really long time since I. I'd been to confession, but, yeah, it was. It was very spiritual, mind lifting, eye opening, and just brought me right back center square in the church, and I just feel a thousand percent better, even with my health.

[Piers Morgan]

That's cool, Louis. I love that. And just. I mean, I don't want to pry, but you said you spilled the beans. How. How spicy were the beans?

[Ernest Owens]

That's what I want to know.

[Louis Prevost]

Well, I'm not gonna do a. I'm not gonna do a confession on.

[Piers Morgan]

The.

[Louis Prevost]

Session. Let's just say there may be a.

[Ben Ferguson]

Lake behind you right now, but he ain't fishing, my friends.

[Louis Prevost]

Yeah, no, it's. If you can. If you can imagine it, everything short of murder and incest, I've probably been there, done that.

[Piers Morgan]

I love this. I just love the idea of you doing confession with your brother the Pope, and it's everything but murder. I just think that is, as someone who has two brothers, the idea of doing that or listening to one of them do it would be absolutely riveting. Louis, what an amazing story. I'm sorry. Happy for you that you did that. Your brother facilitated that for you, and you're back with the church. I think that's just a. That alone is an amazing message this Christmas. So thank you very much indeed for being so candid and for rejoining uncensored. I appreciate it.

[Louis Prevost]

You're welcome. Very happy to do it.

[Piers Morgan]

Great to talk to you. All the very best. Let's come back to the panel. I mean, wow, that was amazing. I mean, Ben Ferguson. That's quite something, isn't it, to hear that.

[Ben Ferguson]

I think it's cool. I also think it's a really neat message for people that maybe have broken apart from their faith or even their family because of things that pass. I really, genuinely love the message that you can overcome. And there are second chances in life. I think all of us know people that have made mistakes. I made mistakes. Everyone on this panel, I'm assuming, is not a crazy narcissist and knows they've made mistakes in life, and sometimes it takes years to repair those relationships or to come back to your faith. But I really hope that story, somebody watching right now sees it and says, maybe it's time for me to go back. Maybe it's time for me to go back to my family and make amends. And to know that they're talking every week and they're so different. They're clearly very different. That's what families are Families are very different. My sister and I are extremely different. But we come together on a lot of cool things. And I just got to say there's a lot of hope. And I hope that brings hope to a lot of people right now watching.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, naturally. What did you make of that? It's not often you get the Pope's brother talking, revealing something of that enormity. No, for him and his family, I.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

I didn't think it was good timing, but I would have loved to have asked him to, like, slip in on that weekly conversation. Like, ask your brother what the Vatican knows about UFOs. That would be great. No, I love the confession aspect. I'm a grateful recovering addict. So we do our own form right through the 12 step program, and. And him talking about that weightlifting, I think lifting off your shoulders and doing some horrible things in the past, which I have done. I really can identify with that. I think it's a good thing, particularly with Rob Reiner situation that we just saw and. And the importance of family. And I think it's great that there's a conversation what the good thing out of that tragedy is. We're seeing a conversation about recognizing addiction, recognizing flaws in our family. And I see people directing people to Al Anon, which they should definitely go if they have an addict in their family. That's been on my mind, obviously, the last week and the horrible tragedy of that. But it. You know, there. There is. It. Sometimes it's not too late. There is a second chance. There was for me in my life. You know, I. I was homeless. I. I went to prison, and I was able to pull myself out of it. And so many people can. So to hear. Hear them say that was. Was brilliant.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. And, you know, I didn't know that's.

[Ben Ferguson]

Where you, by the way, home, Western on the streets.

[Piers Morgan]

That's pretty cool.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

We actually met in prison. I wonder the. But Esther, if you think about some of the warring families, like Harry and Meghan with the Royal Family, with the Beckhams, with one of the kids now gone rogue with his American wife and so on, there's a lot of it out there. And then when you talk to families, I mean, I'm always struck. I have a massive family, and we always have a big Christmas and we all get around and we all get on pretty brilliantly, actually. But the number of people I know who have a lot of issues with their families is huge. Either they have really small Christmases because they don't really want to see them, or it's always fiery or they've fallen out with them, or there's feuds going on for decades. And when you talk about it, you realize how prevalent that is. So to hear Louis there, you know, the older brother of the Pope, that moment, would you hear my confession? And spilling out 50 years of stuff that he obviously felt bad about to his brother, who's now the head of the Catholic Church. That's quite an amazing thing to hear, actually.

[Esther Krakow]

And I think it just shows, despite all the differences, he holds his brother in quite high estimation, because I think most people would not do a confessional in the first place, and certainly not to a family member. Loading. 50 years worth of sin, which I'm sure adds up to quite a lot to him. So, you know, relationships always have their strifes, but I think there's always that one person in the family that aims to bring people together, and it looks like in this case, it's his brother who really kind of put his ego aside. And anything that he might personally be feeling, especially from an older brother who admitted he beat him up as a kid to let him unburden himself.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Ernest, let's end with you. What was it? What did you make of that? It's an amazing interview, wasn't it?

[Ernest Owens]

Yes. I have a lot of questions.

[Piers Morgan]

Your face, first of all, I just couldn't think.

[Ernest Owens]

Okay, so several things. I mean, for one, I'm just curious, what were those sins? But he'll never confess that to us. I'm just like. Seemed like he had a lot going on, but I'm not gonna judge. But I think for me, it's just. I wonder how the church is gonna shape his own politic, you know? Cause it's really hard. Like, he's talking about love and peace, but then saying that that's the same agenda of a man who isn't as peaceful. And so I find that to be interesting.

[Piers Morgan]

Have you got MAGA members of your family, Ernest?

[Esther Krakow]

I don't.

[Ernest Owens]

Oh, absolutely not.

[Piers Morgan]

No.

[Ernest Owens]

No.

[Piers Morgan]

And if you predicted that every single member of your family is left.

[Ernest Owens]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me answer this. You asked me a question. They're not mega. I have some folks that are conservative.

[Piers Morgan]

Right.

[Ernest Owens]

But they're not mega, though. Right. And so what would you do if they were?

[Piers Morgan]

What would you do if they said, I'm maga?

[Ernest Owens]

Listen, you know, we will learn how to deal with those problems internally. What would you do if you had a woke member of your family like myself that you're claiming I'm woke?

[Piers Morgan]

What would you do? You know, What? I've got members of my family who are very woke. I've got very woke members of my family. And we are very right wing members of my family. When we all come together, we have a great old tear up and nobody really cares. It's like, it's fine.

[Ernest Owens]

Right? So let me say this. They're not mega. That's a whole nother extreme.

[Piers Morgan]

And I think I've got some relatives who are. Who would make MAGA look like a bunch of choir boys. Trust me.

[Ernest Owens]

Right? So I would say we, we have people who have different spectrums, right? And anyone knows the community. There's spectrums, right? You got the pragmatic progressives, you got the moderates, you got those who are conservative, but they're like pre Trump. So they're like Bush adjacent, Condoleezza Rice adjacent type of conservatives, but not maga. Though at this point, the plot is so they just.

[Piers Morgan]

So they, they could just be lying.

[Ben Ferguson]

To you, by the way. They could just be lying to you.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Also, it's interesting you pointed out the ones who dragged the world into an illegal war in Iraq, for example, but have a problem with the MAGA lot. And I can tell you who don't believe in foreign wars.

[Esther Krakow]

The conservative law, even if they're not maga, probably did vote for Donald Trump because the option with Kamala Harris didn't seem so. I don't know if that's much better. It may not be maga, but they voted for Trump.

[Piers Morgan]

One day, Ernest will have Christmas together. All of us, we'll have a little uncensored Christmas party. What a great panel. Thank you all very much. I wish you all a very merry Christmas and a very merry Christmas and prosperous 2026, and look forward to you all being back on uncensored in the new year. Thank you very much.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Merry Christmas.

[Piers Morgan]

This week we learned of the shocking deaths of Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. Their son Nick has been charged with two counts of first degree murder and could face a death penalty if found guilty. Well, joining me now is actor and comedian Harry Shearer, who was a longtime friend and collaborator with Rob Reiner. Harry, thank you so much for joining me. I'm so sorry for your loss. I knew Rob a bit. I interviewed him actually, three months ago. We had a wonderful interview. I thought he was a great man, an amazing filmmaker, and it was a terrible shock to me. So I can't even imagine how close friends of his like you must be feeling. And we'll get to that. For the audience who may not Be aware you played the bass guitarist Derek Smalls in this is Spinal Tap, and you co wrote that with Rob. And you also miss Simpsons providing voices for characters including Mr. Burns, Smithers, Ned Flanders, Reverend Lovejoy, and Principal Skinner. So obviously, a lot of people do know you, but that's to put in context, in particular, your relationship professionally with Rob. First of all, can I just ask you, where were you when you heard what had happened? So good, so good, so good.

[Esther Krakow]

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[Interviewer / Host]

Today.

[Harry Shearer]

I was in my house here in New Orleans. My assistant came in and said she had read this sort of headline on tmz. And my first thought was tmz. So I tried to find other sources of information on the Internet. And the early versions struck my wife Judith and I as if it had possibly been a break in a burglary, which seemed unlikely in that neighborhood. But we then followed the story as it developed overnight, and it just got more horrifying by the moment when you.

[Piers Morgan]

Realized that it was almost certainly their very troubled son Nick, who'd spoken very publicly about all the problems, as indeed his parents had. What did you feel about that? They'd obviously had a very, very long number of years of problems with this son of theirs, and it seems to have ended in the most appalling manner imaginable.

[Harry Shearer]

Yeah, it's strange because I knew Rob originally. I was involved with another member of his family. And so I was over at the house for several occasions, many occasions where he, his late father Carl, and Mel Brooks, two members of comedy royalty, were there. I saw the environment in which Rob grew up. But despite that, and I knew Michelle, of course, I was not privy to any of the stuff about Nick. So it came. I knew Romy a little bit, and I had not met Jake, but the stuff about Nick just came as a horrible surprise. Rob had kept it fairly much private. And, you know, Mike collaborations with him were more on a comedy level and on a family discussion level.

[Piers Morgan]

As an actor, a director, a producer, we did everything. Rob Reiner, he was really one of the great Hollywood figures, which, you know, given he was the son of a great Hollywood figure, was extraordinary because that often isn't the case. But he certainly proved to be the exception to that normal rule. How good was he? I mean, he had a run of movies which almost defied belief, because not only were they all classics one after another, but they were all different genres. It was like he could do everything.

[Interviewer / Host]

Mm.

[Harry Shearer]

You know, he was a great storyteller. He was a great collaborator. I think he brought a general sense of storytelling to whatever genre he was working in at the time. That was one of his chief roles with Spinal Tap and with the sequel spinal tap 2 was. You know, we would sit in a room, Christopher guest and Michael McKeon and I, the two other members of the collective, and bat around ideas and trying to make each other laugh. And Rob would write down the ones that clicked on three by five cards and put them up on a board in the room we were in. And it was his job to take these funny ideas and to shape them into a movie. And so storytelling was his art. Even in that situation where there was no script, we were improvising these movies based on these ideas that were on three by five cards that Rob wrote down. So, you know, I saw very quickly that that was one of his. Aside from comedy and the fact that he was funny, one of his great gifts was storytelling and the ability to shape a story.

[Piers Morgan]

What was your favorite of all his movies?

[Harry Shearer]

Oh, come on. I have to say this is Spinal Tap. It was his. You know, I mean, the sad irony is that I was involved with his first movie and with his last. But this is Spinal Tap opened so many doors for so many people, including Rob. That was his first movie, and it opened the door to all the ones that followed. And it also spawned this series of things. I mean, the Office sort of was inspired by the improvisational nature of Spinal Tap, and so much American TV comedy, at least, has been done in mockumentary style since that movie. Although the difference is those, including the Office, are scripted, and this Spinal Tap really was improvised.

[Piers Morgan]

It's a fantastic film. I mean, he. When I asked him, because actually Robert Redford had died just before I interviewed Rob back in September, and I'd said that Redford had told me years before when I interviewed him for cnn that his favorite of all his films was Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid, but he hated the song Raindrops keep falling on your head, and he used to eat away at him having listened to this song. And we were laughing about it, and I said, you know, rather poignantly now, and ironically, I guess. But I said to him, if it was you that suddenly left Us, Rob, which I hope doesn't happen anytime soon. I said, but how would you like to be remembered of all your work? And he said, actually, Stand By Me was the one that he would like to be remembered by. And I said, When Harry Met Sally, because I said, it's like almost a perfect film, I felt. And he told me a lovely story, which was that he has so many people come up to him who would say they time when Harry Met Sally on New Year's Eve. They start watching it at about 10:30. So they hit the New Year's Eve scene in the movie exactly at the right moment. Yeah, exactly at the start of the new year. And he loved that. And then there was a lovely twist to it, which I hadn't seen before, where there was an interview he gave quite recently, I think, where he said that originally it was gonna end unhappily when Harry met Sally. They were gonna end up not together because he was single at the time and feeling a bit bitter and twisted about his single life. And then actually, he met somebody, fell in love. It was his wife, Michelle. And as a result of his change in mood about this, he ended. It happened. That's the ending of the mood. Yeah. Which I love that story because that turned out to be the love of his life.

[Gary Buchler (Nerdrotic)]

Yeah.

[Harry Shearer]

Rob had been single for about 10 years at that point. I had known him at the time of his first marriage. And, yeah, it's an amazing, amazing story come true.

[Piers Morgan]

I want to end with a sort of disagreeable part of the whole outpouring of tributes to Rob, which had been extraordinary from around the world. But one outlier was President Trump, who published this, in my view, very offensive post on his truth social platform.

[Harry Shearer]

A screed, if you will.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. And it was just, you know, obviously, look, I knew that Rob Reiner had said a lot of bad things about Donald Trump. There was no great trade secret. But it just struck me that for the President of the United States to. From his office, to lay into him in the way that he did, you know, within 24 hours of Rob being murdered by his own son and a terrible family tragedy, it was just. It seemed very crass to me. What was your reaction to that?

[Harry Shearer]

My reaction was it was not beneath the dignity of the American presidency. It was beneath the dignity of a local dog catcher. I. I just. And yet, you know, I thought, this is who this man is. Takes every development in the world around him or that he's privy to and turns it into something about himself. And the extreme narcissism of that moment seemed to me very, very fitting with whatever else I understand about the man.

[Piers Morgan]

And the irony is a clip from my interview with Rob that went viral as a result of what Trump did was when I asked him about the murder of Charlie Kirk and he said, like, I didn't agree with him politically, but violence is never. And he was very like, violence is never. You can never accept it, particularly political violence. And he condemned it unreservedly, which was just. And there was a contrast in reactions to two brutal murders.

[Harry Shearer]

And he expressed support for Erica's decision publicly to forgive the murderer. It's a jarring and amazing contrast to what happened out of the typewriter of the President of the United States.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I think it was a great shame. I wish he'd delete it. Harry Shearer, what a pleasure to talk to you. I wish it was under happier circumstances, but thank you for paying tribute to your great friend.

[Harry Shearer]

Thank you, Piers.

[Piers Morgan]

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