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Piers Morgan Uncensored
“You’re A JOKE!” Trump Shooting Debate & Free Speech ‘Hypocrisy’ | With Cenk Uygur & Glenn Beck
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Ben Ferguson
It was a joke about him being killed. And if you want to clarify if it was a joke about him being
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Mike Nellis
older than me,
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Ben Ferguson
you can fix it. You're a joke because nobody thinks Jimmy
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Cenk Uygur
Kimmel was trying to be violent.
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Ben Ferguson
Can we skip this crap?
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Cenk Uygur
This is obvious bullshit.
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Piers Morgan
He criticized hosting on X after the shooting. Look at the signs these left wing cunts are holding up. Do you have any regrets about what you posted or you double down on that?
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Clay Travis
I would quadruple down on it.
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Glenn Beck
I have to be real honest with you. Don't like Charles. Never have liked Charles.
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Clay Travis
He's here in the 250th anniversary of us kicking your ass.
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Ben Ferguson
The fact that he was able to unite the Democratic Party that had spent millions of dollars on no Kings rally, but gave him a standing ovation. Like the hypocrisy moment there for me was worth the entire trip.
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Piers Morgan
It's been a very bad week for those who question the relevance of the monarchy for our modern age. It's been a very good week for Britain, the United States and for King Charles and indeed President Trump. In four short days, the monarch has done more to repair the strained special relationship between the two countries than entire legions of diplomats and bureaucrats. And he's done it while managing to appeal simultaneously to conservatives, Liberals, royal bashers, monarchists, and most importantly of all to the President himself. There's been much debate about the politics and we'll get into that. But my favorite discovery this week is that King Charles is genuinely hilarious.
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King Charles
I cannot help noticing the readjustments to The East Wing, Mr. President,
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following your
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visit to Windsor Castle last year. And I'm sorry to say that we British, of course, made our own small attempt at real estate redevelopment of the White House in 1814. You recently commented, Mr. President, that if it were not for the United States, European countries would be speaking German. Dare I say that if it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking French. As Oscar Wilde said, we have really everything in common with America nowadays. Except of course, language. Now, as you may know, when I address my own Parliament at Westminster, we still follow an age old tradition and take a Member of Parliament hostage, holding him or her at Buckingham palace until I am safely returned. These days we look after our guests rather well, to the point that they often do not want to leave. I don't know, Mr. Speaker, if there were any volunteers for that role here today.
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Piers Morgan
Well, it might seem a little strange to kick off America's 250th anniversary celebrations by honoring the very crown they kicked out. But as Trump himself explained, you can take the Brits off American soil, but all the ice agents in the world couldn't remove us from the American soul.
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King Charles
Long before Americans had a nation or a constitution, we first had a culture, a character and a creed. Before we ever proclaimed our independence, Americans carried within us the rarest of gifts, moral courage. And it came from a small but mighty kingdom from across the sea.
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Piers Morgan
Well, for the Brits, that was really the whole point of this tour. Nothing better represents continuity than the monarchy. The fact is that the two countries are stronger together and they will remain stronger together no matter who's in the White House and who's in number 10. In just a few months, President Trump has insulted Brits who died in Afghanistan, savage the prime minister as weak, ridiculed the Royal Navy as non existent and written off Britain's warships as toys. All of this while demanding Britain's weak leader sends his non existent navy in his toy warships to support the war in Iran. The king was able to make effortlessly make it all feel like small beer without even mentioning it at all. That takes some diplomatic skill, and so does giving the US and the president a subtle lesson on democratic checks and balances without sending said president into a tailspin.
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King Charles
The U.S. supreme Court Historical Society has calculated that Magna Carta is cited in at least 160 Supreme Court cases since 1789, not least one as the foundation of the principle that executive power is subject to checks and balances.
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Piers Morgan
Well, all this charm and aura and wit has clearly impressed Trump, who, as we know, reveres the royals. He'll be well aware that some of his critics believe he'd quite like to be 1:2 kings. The white House posted yesterday on what could be interpreted as a classic Trumpian troll. But as we know, practical jokes can get out of hand, and Trump's decision to put his own face on the US Anniversary passport and coinage will do little to quell the no Kings movement. If this talk shows anything, Mr. President, it's that Brits do royalty best. And judging by the public reaction, if America is going to have a king again anytime soon, well, it might be King Charles. Well, joining me on the panel to discuss all this is Clay Travis, the founder of Outkick, Cenk Yuga, the founder and CEO of the Young Turks Mike Nellis, Democratic strategist and host of Endless Urgency and Ben Ferguson, co host of the Verdict with Ted Cruz. Well, welcome to all of you. I'm just wondering, given the extraordinarily united scenes we witnessed in the United States Congress where left and right came together as one in roaring ovations for my king. And what could have been your king if you hadn't been so reckless 250 years ago? Whether this panel, this panel so ideologically opposed to each other, so used to shouting at each other, could one just come together right now as one and just put a virtual hug around each other? Am I hoping for too much? Gentlemen,
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Ben Ferguson
I think it was a great moment.
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Mike Nellis
It was nice.
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Piers Morgan
I think you all looked a bit shocked by. You all looked a bit shocked by the mere notion of that. Clay Travis, let me start with you then. It was an amazing spectacle. I mean, I've not seen King Charles, either as king or prince, make a speech as powerful as the one he made to Congress or one as funny as the one he made at the state dinner last night. So I think he's really stepped up here when, my God, my country needed somebody to, given how bad the relationships got in recent months. But I also felt that I had no idea there was a unit. Well, there was a unity, I was going to say, between everybody in Congress, a rare unity which everyone's picked up on, where you don't often see a united Congress. But they were for the king.
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Clay Travis
Well, I appreciate Democrats standing for kings after deciding that no kings was the fabric of their entire opposition to Trump over the last year. So standing ovation for an actual king was Trump or anything. It was. It was a lot of fun. But look what I. First of all, I had no idea Prince Charles is this funny. And I watched the crown. I will defend myself by saying my wife got me to watch the crown, but it's a very, very good show. And what I liked about it, Beers, was a recognition of, again, he's Here in the 250th anniversary of US kicking your ass. But he's here and he's referencing this like the Boston Tea party, the untimely 1814 burning of the White. Of the White House, the redevelopment of these. Of these moments. And like he said, that we might be speaking French, but for the Brits coming over during the French Indian War and. And all of the colonial aspects of that, I'm a history nerd. And so sometimes I think in the immediate moments of trying to analyze everything that happened in the last 24 hours, we often lose the sweep, the majesty, the majesty, the significance of the historical residents that 50 years from now, 100 years from now, when none of us are around and people are still studying the history of today will be seen in the context of the Longer arc of history. And so I thought it was really well done. And I'm not just saying this, Pierce, because back before everybody knew that your DNA was harvested and would be stored forever. I did the 23andMe or whatever the heck it was called. And all of my ancestors were British and Irish. So when you look at it from a thousand or fifteen hundred year perspective, many of us have a lot more in common with England than maybe we choose to acknowledge on a day to day basis.
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Piers Morgan
Well, Chuck Yuga, I actually had a text exchange with the President this morning. I'm sure that you did too. Right. But it was just asking how he felt yesterday. Yesterday had gone. And he replied, he's a great guy talking about King Charles and had as he saw, a wonderful evening. They'll be back tomorrow morning to say goodbye. Last night was special President djt and I think it would have been to him because he has often said to me that he remembers watching the coronation in 1953, sitting on his mother's knee in New York, watching this first ever global televised event. And I think the idea of him now hosting a British monarch at the White House where he is the current occupant as president for Trump actually on a personal, emotional, family level is a massive deal. And if it calms him down a bit from what has been a pretty incendiary few months, I'm all in favor. What are your thoughts?
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Cenk Uygur
First of all, I'm enjoying the idea of me and Trump having a texting relationship. That would be hilarious.
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Piers Morgan
It would be.
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Cenk Uygur
If we ever got. Yeah. Let alone if we ever got together in person and debated. Now that would be fun. So first big ups to England and the uk King Charles did great way to represent. Okay. And it was nice to have a head of state who isn't a maniac. So that was like reassuring for the planet a little bit. He's not technically, you know, you guys know how the monarchy works. It's kind of, from an American perspective, it's kind of pointless. But hey, you know what, he's a good spokesman for it. Okay. So God bless. But look, the main thing that I thought is we got 250 years after our independence from these guys. We're wonderful friends and allies and I hope that's exactly how we are with Israel 250 years after our independence from them, which would be hopefully 250 years from now. So it turns out being an independent nation is a wonderful thing. And then by the way, later we can be wonderful allies. Okay. But first we need Our independence from every country, including the one ruling us today.
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Piers Morgan
Ben Ferguson. There were a number of quite strong opinions that the King expressed on behalf of the government. So I think it's important to clarify to an American audience in particular, that when the King speaks at a function like the Congress or whatever it may be, he does so on behalf of the UK government, so they help him write certain lines and so on. But there were things in there. I mean, we got a little mash up of some of the more potentially contentious things he said. If you're an American, particularly American Republican like you, let's take a listen.
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King Charles
In both of our countries, it is the very fact of our vibrant, diverse and free societies that gives us our collective strength, including to support victims of some of the ills that so tragically exist in both our societies today. In the immediate aftermath of 9 11, when NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time and the United Nations Security Council was united in the face of terror, we answered the call together today, Mr. Speaker. That same unyielding resolve is needed for the defence of Ukraine and her most courageous people. From the depths of the Atlantic to the disastrously melting ice caps of the Arctic. The commitment and expertise of the United States Armed Forces and its allies lie at the heart of NATO.
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Piers Morgan
Now, sometimes, Ben, you know, it's not what you're saying, it's the way you say it can avoid a lot of hoo ha on the face of it, the King of my country coming over and sort of lecturing Congress, as some might categorize it, about the importance of NATO. And President Trump has indicated he wants to dismantle it, reminding people that after 9 11, NATO, including Britain, were right there, shoulder to shoulder with America. In fact, I'm actually doing the show from the AP down right next to the 911 memorial where King Charles and Queen Camilla are currently laying flowers with the New York Mayor, Zoro Mandani. And that's a reminder that Britain was shoulder. The shoulder when we were asked then it's been a different situation with Iran and we can come to that. But that also he was emphatic about support needed ongoing for Ukraine, which is not hugely popular now with the conservative right here. And of course, he talked about climate change in a way that again, people on the conservative right would maybe naturally bristle at. So my point being he made a few, you know, points that could, under normal circumstances, have they come out of a politician's mouth, have engendered a lot more angry response perhaps than they got. But it was taken in the right spirit because of the way that he phrased it. Would you agree?
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Ben Ferguson
I think it was taken the way it was taken and no one really reacted because they know he really doesn't have any power on those issues. It's Starmer, right? Like, this is a guy that I look at. The King's visit is no different than Roger Federer being a great spokesperson for Rolex or Roy McIlroy for Rolex. They're great ambassadors. They do a great job. They don't take many risks. They smile, they look good on tv. And look, if there's anyone that should be praised right now, it's this dude. Speechwriters. Whoever they hired, give them a raise, pay them double. Because I met him when he came in, I think it was 05 when. When in the second Bush administration. He was not funny then. Like, this is a. This is a brilliant move. Whoever's working on the pr, I liked seeing him here. I also liked seeing the fact that there was this moment where you can say, hey, we may disagree politically on a lot of things right now because you guys have got someone we think is a little crazy in the UK in Parliament, the Labour Party, and we're gonna outlast that, Right? And there may be some that say the same thing about Donald Trump, that, hey, we'll get another Liberal Democrat woke person there, we'll get along with them better and so then we'll get back to green new deals and all of that. But ultimately I do find comfort in the fact that. That the US has an ally. We're not agreeing right now on a lot of issues. That's okay. That's politics. I also love the fact that he was able to unite the Democratic Party that had spent millions of dollars on no Kings rally, but gave him a standing ovation. The hypocrisy moment there for me was worth the entire trip that they're like, we have no kings. We stand up to kings, but we got a king here today. And Democrats, by the way, were clear clamoring for any event that he was going to be attending. They wanted to go to the night and the garden party at the UK Embassy. They were begging for tickets. So for a party that says they sent up to no Kings, they sure as hell wanted to hang out with a king for the last 48 hours in Washington, D.C. hypocrisy 101. I love both the points coming out of this trip.
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Piers Morgan
Well, I'm going to come to Mike Nellis to respond to that, but before I do, what did you make of The White House. Ben putting out a picture of King Charles and President Trump with the headline two. Two Kings. Yeah, yeah.
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Ben Ferguson
Whoever did that.
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Piers Morgan
Donald Trump.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, whoever did that in the PR shop at the White House. Like, they also deserve a raise because it's trolling one on one. It's hysterical. It was mocking the Democrats with no kings. It's, it's. And of course, their heads exploded on social media. He's going to try to stay in power for longer, by the way. You're an idiot. No, he's not. He's trying to become a king again. This is trolling, you guys that are insane. He's not a king. We don't have a king in America. We don't need a Roger Federer or Rory McIlroy for Rolex, okay? Like, we're the United States of America. You. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. That's how it works here. But we don't have kings here. So I agree. We got no kings in America. Democrats should be happy.
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Piers Morgan
Mike Nellis, were you happy with Democrats in Congress roaring on the king of my country?
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Mike Nellis
I think it was fine. I mean, I agree with something that Ben said, which is that the PR team that wrote that speech did a really good job. Maybe when Ben and Clay are looking for talking points to attack Democrats, they should hire that PR team instead of the one that's telling them to make the same joke about no Kings Day, because I don't think that's going to get anywhere with the American people.
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Clay Travis
Great joke.
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Ben Ferguson
That is a really, really great. It's a great.
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Mike Nellis
It was. It was a great joke. It was a great joke when I heard it.
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Ben Ferguson
Over it. No, no, no.
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Mike Nellis
It was a great joke when I heard it the first time yesterday. And it wasn't a great joke a thousand times later because it's the only thing that you guys have right now. So it's just sort of silly to me that you guys are going to repeat it over and over again. But look, somebody said it earlier that
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Clay Travis
seems like got insignificant.
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Piers Morgan
I have to. Well, I have to say. I have to say I didn't interrupt these guys.
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Mike Nellis
Can I get a chance to make my point?
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Piers Morgan
Well, yeah, but I would just say, Mike, on that point, if the purpose, as Ben Ferguson said, was to troll the libs, you are sounding deeply trolled.
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Ben Ferguson
No, I'm not.
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Mike Nellis
I'm not deeply trolled. I mean, I think the point that I was. No, I think the point that I was going to make, though, is somebody said earlier that Donald Trump was loving this whole thing over the last couple of days, which of course he is like, he loves it because he's at the center of, of the attention. He gets the idea of hosting the King of England, which makes him feel important. But nothing that's happened in Washington in the last couple of days has anything to do with the average American. And people are struggling right now. So they watch a lavish ball. Donald Trump's talking about building his ballroom now with taxpayer dollars thanks to Republican members of Congress. I think people are frustrated when they see this stuff. So I thought King Charles did a great job. I thought it was great to have a real diplomat here give a good speech that actually made a little bit of sense and articulated the values I think the vast majority of Americans have. But I'd like to see this country get back to the actual work of improving this. And that's what I care about more than anything else.
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Piers Morgan
Clay, let's just switch gears slightly to this huge event which has already the news agenda has moved on, which indicates just how crazy the news agenda is these days. But the White House correspondents dinner with this appalling latest assassination attempt which could have been an absolute disaster and massacre you be criticized and praised. I have to say probably an equal measure, the posting on X after leaving the dinner, after the shooting, leaving the White House correspondents dinner and look at the signs these left wing cunts are holding up outside. And the image showed protesters holding signs saying death to tyrants. Now, given all the debate about rhetoric and the rest of it, obviously you fire that off when you were genuinely angry and I don't blame you. I think people are holding out signs saying death to tyrants when someone's literally trying to kill half of the cabinet, as appeared to be the mission there, is, you know, extremely triggering, I would think, for a lot of people that were guests there and were fearing for what may be happening. Do you have any regrets about what you posted or do you double down on that?
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Clay Travis
I would quadruple down on it. One of those signs said death to all of them in addition to death to tyrants. No, I mean if you look on the right side there, death to all of them. That's what I said. That's what I saw immediately when I came out of the White House correspondence dinner. And I think unfortunately, those two protesters are emblematic of the motivations that this 31 year old, highly educated, two family household, two parent household Democrat put in place to justify trying to kill President Trump. He accepted the rhetoric of these guys as justification. He thought that he was a hero and look, we're talking about the history of the United States and Great Britain. I'm reading Rick Atkinson's seminal trilogy right now about World War II and the partnership between United States, Britain, and other democracies to defeat Adolf Hitler. Before Trump, we used to sometimes sit around, have a few drinks, and you would say, hey, if you could go back in time, would you kill baby Hitler?
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Glenn Beck
Right?
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Clay Travis
I mean, that was a real debate that people would have, and you would answer the question one way or the other. For 10 years, Democrats have been saying that Trump is Hitler, that he's an authoritarian fascist dictator. And that might just be a rhetorical argument for some people. But this guy, I mean, he's kind of an interesting test case. He went on Twitter from mostly posting about playing video games and obviously being a bit of a science nerd to being willing to die trying to kill as many people from the Republican Party as possible. And let me say this, Pierce, I was there, too, so I understand his motivation. It didn't surprise me. Supreme Court. The Secret Service performance was indefensibly bad. And so I don't know why more people aren't talking about this on video. A guy comes running full speed right by the guys who were supposed to be stopping him. According to the indictment, five shots were fired by the Secret Service. They didn't hit the guy. They may have hit another Secret Service agent. We're not even exactly sure who did. And the guy might have gotten all the way down to the ballroom. We don't know if he hadn't tripped and fell. I mean, in the wake of Butler, in the wake of West Palm beach, and now we got Washington, D.C. someone else for sure in the next two and a half years is going to try and kill President Trump. And I actually think the biggest story coming out of this is our Secret Service is completely incompetent at being able to protect the President. I'm glad this wasn't some sort of trained assassin cabal, because he would be dead. Trump would. And, Pierce, I said this yesterday on my radio show. President Trump is alive today in spite of the Secret Service, not because of the Secret Service. And that is troubling going forward, no matter who the president is or who people in high positions of power are. And I say that as someone who saw there on Saturday night.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, I completely agree. And I think it is being under said this because if you think about it, the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting, where he actually got hit and somebody got killed the first place, surely the Secret Service would check. Nobody was hiding, would be a rooftop 125 yards away from the stage. Right. And then the golf course one, which I still find I scratched my head about this is somebody who hid in a bush at a spot on Trump's own golf course where he regularly played, where the media would go to that very spot because it gave them, ironically, the cleanest shot of the President playing golf. And if it hadn't been for one Secret Service agent who spotted the barrel of this rifle coming out of the Bush, Trump would probably have been killed that day. And now, third time you have fired
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Clay Travis
at him, then missed him. The only reason we caught him was because a woman in the parking lot wrote down his license plate number. His car drove away and was like 50 miles away.
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Ben Ferguson
This is incom.
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Clay Travis
I'm surprised. It's infuriating to me. Nobody's talking about this.
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Piers Morgan
I agree. The point to finish, my point is just that, okay, you got the rooftop would be the first place he'd check. That part of his golf course would be the second place he'd check. But they didn't. And here you've got a, a guy who's checked himself into the hotel on the Friday armed to the teeth, and you're like, how, how is that even possible?
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Clay Travis
Let me give you an example. I wish I said this before. I go to the Atlanta Braves baseball team. Major league baseball. My kids are monster fans. I'm a fan. There is a hotel with rooms that overlook the stadium. The Atlanta Braves security comes and checks the rooms to make sure you don't have guns in those room before every Atlanta Brave baseball game. Hell, do the Atlanta Braves have better security than the President of the United States? They didn't go around to the hotel rooms and check and see. Hey, let me make sure that there's no one with guns or God forbid, bombs staying in this hotel. It's crazy to me.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, yeah.
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Ben Ferguson
Pierce, let me say one other thing about this. I think it's really shocking and I hope there's bipartisanship on this. This is the problem with government work and bureaucracy. The Secret Service should be the best of the best. There has been far too much DEI in there. It puts Democrats at risk when they're at leadership.
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Mike Nellis
Come on.
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Ben Ferguson
No, it's. I'm gonna, you can argue down of urban dei.
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Mike Nellis
It's all you got, Ben.
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Ben Ferguson
Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back to what I did.
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Clay Travis
There should be no female Secret Service agents. They should not exist. We should have the baddest ass special force badasses on the planet should have
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Ben Ferguson
the best of the best. And there is data that backs up what I'm saying, that we had far too much DEI in hiring not only at the Secret Service, but also at the FBI. And we had people that should never have been in positions of power there. Now I say this as someone that there's Secret Service that's still protecting every living president, including Democrats. It is far too easy to get close to a Democrat and, or Republican, former president, current president, their family members. And there needs to be a massive overhaul. I don't want anyone, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, the list goes on to have this, be this easy to go after a president, United States of America. And part of this is clearly a massive failure and it's because of bureaucracy. You should have the best of the best. They should be the, I mean, SEAL Team six should be immediately the first that you think of to come in here. You're dealing with terrorists around the world and you're dealing with these types of individuals and what you have is a bureaucratic agency that should look nothing like a bureaucratic agency. So I hope that Democrats and Republicans will stay together. This has got to be changed because this is far too many shots being taken at a current president. And by the way, there will be a Democratic president. I want them to have the baddest ass people around them, no matter who they are. And if you guys get a Kamala Harris in there, I want them to be safe as they can possibly be everywhere they go, including their staff, including their cabinet members, including the Vice President. I don't care about politics. They need to be safe. And clearly right now there's a massive lapse. Can I, can I, can I jump
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Mike Nellis
in here for a second because.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, okay. Okay. Might know this first, then check. Yeah, yeah.
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Mike Nellis
I mean, look, I agree that the Secret Service should be the best of the best. And I think we should wait to find out what actually happened instead of making assumptions based on the limited information that we have right now about what happens.
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Ben Ferguson
You got a video of the dude running past? Are you see? Yeah.
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Piers Morgan
Congrats.
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Mike Nellis
Congratulations. You can look at a video, Ben. But Donald Trump and the rest of the administration are saying the Secret Service did their job. So why don't we let there be an investigation before you guys do what you always do, you blame it on dei when the plane crashed just a few weeks after Donald Trump was inaugurated. I was in D.C. that day. They blamed it on DEI too. So it's just ridiculous. Like, let's figure out what actually happened and then Make a determination.
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Clay Travis
And they fired five times. Mike. And missed him. And may have hit another five times. You missed him because he tripped.
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Mike Nellis
Why don't you just wait and let the people whose job it is to figure. Figure out what happened actually figure it out instead of just making an assumption and going back to the talking points. Like it's just. It's ridiculous. Let law enforcement
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Ben Ferguson
a talking point. Us going to pretend Democrats.
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Mike Nellis
The problem is you guys want to make assumptions about everything. Like it's just.
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Ben Ferguson
So what grade would you give me? Wait, let me ask. What grade would you give the Secret Service over the last two years? Would you give them an A or a B?
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Cenk Uygur
No.
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Mike Nellis
Why would you give them.
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Ben Ferguson
No, no, no, no.
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Mike Nellis
I wouldn't give them an A. I'm not saying the Secret Service is doing a good job.
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Clay Travis
But I want.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm not.
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Mike Nellis
I don't know what I would give them.
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Ben Ferguson
I don't have access to the information.
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Mike Nellis
You guys are the ones.
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Ben Ferguson
A guy on a roof like whatever President and no one watching that roof. You can't grade that. I agree. Dei. You guys are obsessed with.
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Mike Nellis
No, you see, you're blaming it on dei.
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Ben Ferguson
You don't have anything to back that up.
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Mike Nellis
It's just lazy. You guys have the same three talking points. Like it's just so unbelievably lazy. Get some.
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Ben Ferguson
How would you fix it then? What would you call it? Educate me. Tell me why? What you would do to explain it. What happened in Butler? What happened the other night? What happened? Where the people go to take pictures? The same damn place that take pictures of the president playing golf.
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Clay Travis
What?
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Ben Ferguson
Teach me. Tell me. In the liberal world.
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Mike Nellis
Listen.
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Ben Ferguson
How you would fix it then?
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Mike Nellis
No, Ben, clearly there were breakdowns in security and they should be fixed by people who know what the hell they're talking about. Not for political commentators on Piers Morgan's YouTube show. That's the point that I'm making. You come on here with a cheap political talking point to blame it on dei when you don't know anything that's going on. You don't know anything about security. Clay doesn't know anything about security. Neither do I. Stop making
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Ben Ferguson
women on stage.
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Piers Morgan
Don't all talk at once. Don't all talk at once.
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Clay Travis
Should be in charge of.
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Mike Nellis
You want SEAL Team six to go do that? SEAL team? That isn't Seal Team 6's job. Seal Team 6's job is to go out there and kill bad guys. That's what they're trained to do. Their job is not to protect the
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Clay Travis
president of The United States super badasses. Why would this is just people to protect.
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Mike Nellis
I want the super badasses going out there and killing evil people.
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Clay Travis
I want them to go find bin
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Ben Ferguson
Laden to protect the President.
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Piers Morgan
Let me jump in. Let me jump in, please. I want to bring in Cenk, who's been waiting unusually patiently because this segues chenk for me and by all means join in that debate. But it also segues into this debate about lefty right political violence. Now, the center for Strategic and International Studies reported last September that in recent years the US has seen an increase in in the number of left wing terrorism attacks and plots. And in fact, for the first time in many years, 20, 25, in fact, the first time in 30 years was the first year when left wing terrorist attacks outnumbered those from the violent far right. So let's not get into, you know, who's worse. Just accept there's been a lot of political violence on both sides. But why is political violence from the left surging in the way that it is? And I was particularly concerned about this guy's twisted manifesto because there were no red flags about him, no criminal record, nothing to suggest any violence in him at all. He's a teacher. He just won an award a few months ago. Right. What would have driven this guy? And then you read the rhetoric of his manifesto, as he put it, and you're seeing, you talk about talking points. You're seeing a lot of the talking points that are drummed out on the left quite regularly have somehow permeated into his brain, a substantial brain, by all accounts, very smart guy. And they've made him get a train right across America, book himself into a hotel and then try and attempt mass murder, which is what was on his mind. And my question for you, Cenk, is park right wing political violence to one side for a moment. I'm not pretending they don't have a similar issue, but it hasn't been worse historically in the last 30 years focus just for this on this particular guy. And coming off the back of a year where left wing political violence has overtaken right wing violence for the first time in three decades, what is happening here and how do we stop it?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, I reject all of the framing in this conversation, but let me address the heart of the matter. And then this nonsense talking point that Ben had. So number one, I abhor violence. Political violence is intellectual surrender. That's saying I'm pathetic. I don't know how to win a debate, so I'll resort to being a savage and doing violence or Terrorism instead. So I hate it on the right, I hate it on the left. And if you're a person who is for peace, especially if you're on the left and our movement is for peace and nonviolence, well, then if you do violence, by definition, you're not one of us, okay? We banish you and you don't represent a single person other than your stupid ass. Okay? So now I won't put right wing violence aside because as you just said, historically, right wing violence has been much more severe. But that's okay. I'm not trying to blame people. I'm trying to get past it. Okay? For both sides. For God's sake, what is violence going to solve? All it's going to create is more violence. And why are we killing each other? This doesn't make any sense at all. We should be resolving this in an American way, and that's through debate and politics and winning the day through your arguments, and both sides have gotten out of hand. But on the left, are there people egging on violence? I literally never see that. Right? That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And now I'm disheartened to see people on the left doing it on the right. We all know Donald Trump has historically said violence is great, that you should beat up people who he disagrees with and he'll pay the legal costs. And Donald Trump encourages kind of rhetoric from day one. And I don't think it's healthy. I don't think it's healthy for him or for anyone else. Now, I do think.
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Piers Morgan
Well, hang on, hang on, hang on,
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Cenk Uygur
hang on, hang on.
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Piers Morgan
That point. I know it's relevant to what you just said because we actually have a mashup of Donald Trump talking in the way that you're describing. Let's just watch this.
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King Charles
Knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay, Just knock the hell. I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. We have the enemy from within. And the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia and all these countries. Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole. That's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country, for those who have been wronged and betrayed, of which there are many people out there that have been wronged and betrayed. I am your retribution. We will take care of it. We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the Radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out at a stretcher. Folks like to punch him in the face. I'll tell you, she's a radical warhawk. Let's put her with a rifle, standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. Okay? Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face, you know, they're all war hawks. When they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh, gee, Will, let's send. Let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy.
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Piers Morgan
Now that substantiates the point you're making, Cheng.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, you see, look, that is so unhelpful. Including to Donald Trump. There's one clip in there that isn't quite right. The bloodbath clip was about the economy, not about violence. But the rest of it was purely about violence. And in fact, that last one was a rhetorical shot at chicken hawks. And so if he just left it at their hypocritical, it's no problem. But now look at what he said. If they're gonna send in troops to the Middle east, they should have guns pointed at their face. Now he's sending in troops to the Middle East. And that's why you shouldn't talk like that, cuz it encourages violence overall. Now, to the Secret Service. Look, guys, they've had tremendous failures and I have a ton of questions. And a lot of people on the left and the right have a ton of questions about their performance. Including, by the way, the guy who failed miserably in Butler, Pennsylvania, the head of the Secret Service in that particular location and date, has now been promoted to the head of the Secret Service. That is a very curious, bizarre thing. And by the way, if you listen to Ben talk, you would think that the Secret Service is all minorities and women. No, it's overwhelmingly white males. So why are you blaming white males? And is that your problem with dei, that we're hiring too many white people or too many men? So the guy who got promoted is also a white male. I think the real question isn't this distraction about identity politics and culture wars. The real question is, what the hell is going on? Why did they let him take that shot in Butler? Why did they move the photographers into place to get the exact right shot? There's a lot of people on the right as well as the left going that Butler, Pennsylvania Shooting makes no sense at all. And we're not saying we know who did it and what happened. What we're asking is, why isn't our government care about shooting of the President? Why doesn't Trump care? Trump never talks about it.
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Ben Ferguson
Normally, Trump would be what a hero
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Cenk Uygur
he is, et cetera.
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Ben Ferguson
When I. When I talk about bureaucracy and di. It's not just women. There's social promotion of men of certain. Whether it's skin color or political beliefs you've made.
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Mike Nellis
But the Secret Service is overwhelmingly white.
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Ben Ferguson
Let me just say.
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Mike Nellis
Like, is it.
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Ben Ferguson
I. Let me at least finish what I'm saying. If you're getting promoted because you're a bureaucrat, because you're a liberal white guy, okay, then I think there's DEI for
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Mike Nellis
liberal white guys in the Secret Service.
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Ben Ferguson
I do. I believe. I absolutely believe. This is why you guys are getting
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Mike Nellis
creamed in the midterms right now. You have nothing.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm gonna.
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Mike Nellis
Nothing.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm gonna finish my point. I'm gonna finish what I was saying.
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Cenk Uygur
Nothing but culture,
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Mike Nellis
identity politics nonsense.
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Ben Ferguson
I didn't interrupt you on when you were saying it. I listened to what you said.
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Mike Nellis
Ben, you're the biggest interrupter in the entire commentator. You've been interrupting me since the minute we started this. Like, stop. Come on.
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Ben Ferguson
Okay, you actually got.
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Mike Nellis
The last time I talked to you, Ben, you were on cnn and the host had to tell you to shut up.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm literally going to finish what I said, and I'll go back to the core point here. If you run the Secret Service the way it's being run now, it will continue to be a failure. There needs to be a massive overhaul of the Secret Service for Democrats and Republicans. The way that it's being done now is not working. When you've got a guy that can run through, have multiple shoot him, and he not get hit by what's supposed to be the best security force for a president of the United States of America, whether Democrat, Republican, and he can run right through the damn metal detectors and then get shot at and no one shoot him. And the only thing that saved him from being killed, I guess, is that he fell down and save people's lives in that room. Like, let's not act like the Secret Service above reproach here. And there has to be a moment where we say no one is saying that they're above reproach.
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Mike Nellis
Ben. Nobody is saying.
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Piers Morgan
All right, let me. All right, let me jump in.
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Mike Nellis
You're just making it about stupid identity politics because it's all you Have.
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Piers Morgan
Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Because we've got a very slight delay from me to you guys. So I just want to make sure we can get to other stuff here. Clay. Obviously, Trump says a lot of incendiary things, and his language about Iran, for example, talking about wiping out the whole country and all this kind of thing, all of that is what I would categorize as unnecessarily over the top political, violent rhetoric. And all of it permeates down to disturbed mind in some way. I'm a firm believer in that. I do think that people calling Trump Hitler and a Nazi and all the rest of it, that to the deranged
- [39:58]
Ben Ferguson
mind, you see Jeffries max warfare all the time.
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Mike Nellis
He was quoting the White House official when he said that.
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Piers Morgan
Hang on, hang on, hang on. I mean, this is for Clay. But my point is that I think it works on both sides. I think incendiary, violent kind of rhetoric or massively over the top exaggerated rhetoric like Trump's a Nazi or Hitler, to the deranged mind, it's like a signal to them to go and deal with that problem. Then if he's really the new Hitler, we've got to kill him. It's a public duty. And that brings me to the Jimmy Kimmel saga, where just to remind people what he said, I think we've got the full clip here.
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Cenk Uygur
Our first lady, Melania is here. Look at Melania. So beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow. Obviously was a joke about their age difference and the look of joy we see on her face every time they're together. It was a very light Rose joke about the fact that he's almost 80 and she's younger than I am. It was not by any stretch of the definition a call to assassination, and they know that
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Piers Morgan
now. For what it's worth, my thoughts about the Kimmel thing are that I didn't think the joke was funny. I found his explanation a bit torturous. But I do think that the right has to be careful it doesn't fall into the same trap it has always accused the left of doing, which is wanting to cancel comedians for jokes. He may not like it, it's tasteless, and so on. And he didn't say it in the aftermath of this shooting, obviously. But at the same time, Clay, it plays into this whole debate that everyone's having about violent rhetoric. And I would say that Kimmel's a hypocrite because he wouldn't have said that about Michelle. Obama or about Jill Biden. He wouldn't, he wouldn't have done that joke. And he could easily have done it about Jill Biden. Exactly the same joke. When it was obvious that Joe Biden was a walking zombie and Jill's a lot younger than him, he never did. So to me, it highlighted the ongoing issue that I have with the late night guys, which is that to a man, and the irony is always, never lost on me that for the guys that bang on most about dei, they're all middle aged white guys that they, to a man, they skew to the liberal left and they have a double standard that drives what they do. But I don't think he should be canceled. And I think it's dangerous for the conservative right to call for him to be canceled or to put pressure on Disney or whatever it may be because that's exactly what they've always accused the woke left of doing. Your thoughts? Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Look, the punchline is Melania hates President Trump and is gonna be excited when he actually dies, whether it's of old age or whether it's because somebody kills. Right. I don't think that's a very good punchline. I don't think it's a particularly funny joke. And I agree with you. Piers never would have been said about Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, or certainly Jill Biden. Now they probably would push back and say, well, they actually love their husband. But then you're getting into why the joke wasn't funny. Because if you have to explain humor, it loses its punch. I would not fire Jimmy Kimmel. I defended him when he made the last tasteless joke, so called. Look, I have a dark sense of humor. I'm in favor of tasteless jokes. I'm in favor of humor in general. I think we're all better when we laugh more. What I would do, Piers, if you're asking me how I would respond to this, we got a new CEO of Disney. I would actually defend Jimmy Kimmel by setting forth the new precedent. And that is we're not going to fire people for jokes or because cancel culture comes for them. I've got two examples recently inside of Disney that I think would make a lot of sense. Maybe three. One, I would rehire Roseanne, let her do a comment special, say, hey, we didn't make a good decision when we fired her over a joke, whether we liked it or not. I would also go back. I don't know if you ever watch it. The Bachelor, they fired Chris Harrison for defending someone going to a party back when they were in college. He'd been on the show for 20 years. I would bring him back. I know they got their own issues right now with the Bachelor and Bachelorette over throwing chairs and everything else. And then I know they kind of said this, but I would say it even more publicly. They fired Gina Carano from the show, the Mandalorian for so called conservative posts relating to her opinions on Instagram. I would set a new precedent and that would be we're going to be wide open creatively. Sometimes creative people are going to say things that people of a variety of perspectives find offensive, but that's the job of being in creative business. So I would defend Jimmy, I defend Roseanne, I defend Chris Harrison. I don't want anybody getting canceled for actual opinions. Now acts where you commit acts of violence, things like that, that's very different. But that would be my perspective on it. And I think concerns before I go to the youtubers are making poor choices.
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Piers Morgan
Right. But before I get, before I go to the others, I'll come to you, Mike. Next, before I go to the others. Clay, do you accept that Donald Trump should dial down his rhetoric? I mean, that was the point that Kimmel made if you want to start, because Melania was obviously very upset about it and I totally understand it, but she made the point, you know, that he shouldn't have said it, blah, blah, blah. And Kimmel replied, well, the reality of this joke is that it was a joke and you should just accept it. And if you want to start with rhetoric, which is not very nice, start with your husband. Right. So do you accept that Donald Trump's own rhetoric doesn't really give him the bragging rights or the high moral ground when it comes to this issue?
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Clay Travis
Well, look, I think Trump's jokes and Trump's often bullet china shop vocabulary and way to express himself should be of anyone who should be more in favor of wide expression. It's Trump. And look, Pierce, I doubt this is ever going to happen. I think Jimmy Kimmel should have Donald Trump on as a guest and I think he should talk to him like late night host used to talk to the President of the United States.
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Piers Morgan
I agree.
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Clay Travis
I don't tune in to Jimmy Kimmel to see him try to analyze geopolitical issues. Back in the day, do you remember when Fallon went on and kind of rubbed Trump's hair and everybody ripped Jimmy Fallon and since that.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, never did it again. It was, it was great.
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Clay Travis
Cold War. Yeah, it was. It was actually what I agree should be, by the way.
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Piers Morgan
Well, I remember I Asked you well, yeah. Well, let me come to Mike Nellis. I mean, I remember when Greg Gutfeld went on Jimmy Fallon. I think he was. Wasn't it? Was it, Was it, Was it Kimmel? Yeah, it was Kimon. I think it was. It was, it was. It was Kim. Whichever one it was.
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Mike Nellis
But it was like it was Fallon. You're right. I'm sorry about was.
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Piers Morgan
It was Fallon. And it was deemed a huge controversial moment that a concern that a Fox News comedian would be on a late night show. And I remember scratching my head going, well, there. Right there is the problem. Right there. Right. The fact that Greg Gutfeld is a hilariously funny guy, is the number one guy in the ratings on cable news, both with the Five and his own show. The idea that his appearance on a late night show in America would be deemed remotely controversial because they skew so left. I think somebody. New York Post did a check of how many right wing guests Jimmy Kimmel had had after the last thing he had and it was like one in four years. I mean, it's ridiculous. So there is a genuine bias, genuine bias that is inherent in those late night shows, Mike, which I think does them all a disservice. I loved it with. I used to go on Jay Leno or I went on David Letterman or whatever it was. And they were all just impartial guys. They just had everybody on. What's happened to that?
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Mike Nellis
Well, I want to start by giving Clay a little bit of praise for being ideologically consistent on comedy because a lot of his fellow MAGA influencers or not. And I just appreciate it anytime somebody's actually being consistent on their values, because I also have a dark sense of humor and I like a good joke. And I don't really care for Kimmel. I never really tuned into his show. I was more of a Conan guy when I actually stayed up that late. But I think this whole thing is silly now. The one thing I will push back on just a little bit is like comparing what Jimmy Kimmel said to, like, Roseanne Barr and Gina Caruno, whatever her last name is. I apologize. But like, Roseanne Barr tweeted a racial slur against Valerie Jarrett that was highly offensive. It was not a joke. It was like a sincere comment that was frankly very offensive. And Gina compared being a Republican to being a Holocaust survivor. So it's just a little bit different. And I think that's why they got fired. And it isn't about comedy. It's about, you say something stupid, your employer can fire you. That's True. Whether or not you're a comedian, it's also true if you're one of the idiot liberals who was celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination a few months ago, you can be fired by your employer for saying something stupid. Now, a lot of this is very much in bad faith. I agree that probably liberal shows could do a better job of having conservatives on that we can all do a better job of having real conversations, which, to your credit, appears like you brought on two liberals, you brought on two conservatives. We're having a conversation. Sometimes it's unpleasant, but we could do a lot more of that. And I don't have a problem with Donald Trump going to do Jimmy Kimmel show. But Trump would never do Jimmy Kimmel show. I mean, he only agreed to do the White House correspondence dinner this weekend because they wouldn't invite a comedian. And it used to be an event where the whole purpose was the President of the United States would sit and take his lumps from a comedian, whether or not it was Barack Obama or George W. Bush. So we've kind of gotten away from that. And I think I would take. Going back to, like, what Clay said earlier about the signs that were outside the White House correspondence dinner about killing the President and killing everybody who was there. It's disgusting. Like, people should not say that. They should not put that on a sign. But I would take those criticisms with a grain of salt because they're not willing to call out the President of the United States for the things that he said. And the president, not that long ago was calling Democrats terrorists and saying that they were treasonous and then talking about how George Washington would have hung Democrats for having opinions that are different than Donald Trump. So he invites this stuff. He has moved the Overton window. Plenty of people on the left do it, too. But the President of the United States is the President of the United States. And he continues to use incendiary rhetoric that is created this moment in time that we're in more than anybody else.
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Ben Ferguson
Here's. Let me.
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Piers Morgan
Okay, I've got, like, I've got to leave it there.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm sorry. It's victim shaming. This is. This is the problem with Jimmy Kimmel and with so many. Every single time someone tries to kill Donald Trump, there is this rhetoric afterwards, like, well, I mean, you could kind of should expect it because Donald Trump said X, Y and Z. Like Jimmy Kimmel the other night, the audience was clearly laughing. Not at an age joke. And by the way, Jimmy Kimmel, if you're being funny and you make A mistake. You can tweet out you made a mistake. You don't have to wait till Monday to correct it. And he didn't correct it. He doubled down and came up with an excuse.
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Cenk Uygur
Nobody thinks.
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Cenk Uygur
was trying to be violent.
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Ben Ferguson
Can we skip this crap?
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Mike Nellis
Exactly.
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Cenk Uygur
This is obvious.
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Ben Ferguson
Have you watched the show? Every night. Obviously the definition of Trump derangement syndrome. He hates President Trump. He hates President Trump. It was a joke about him being killed. And if you want to clarify, it
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Mike Nellis
was a joke about him being older than Melania.
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Ben Ferguson
Take your phone out and you be a real man and you go. In light of what happened five minutes ago, my joke the other night was inappropriate and I'm sorry that it was put out about jokes. You can fix it. You're a joke because you guys want Donald Trump to die. That's what it boils down to. You have no problem.
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Cenk Uygur
You're a total.
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Ben Ferguson
Let me just say you're the joke and I still allow you every time someone takes a shot. You know who we need?
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Piers Morgan
You know who we need right now? We need King Charles to intervene to bring some unity to this panel. My hope, my hopes we can replicate sadly fallen at the last hurdle. But thank you all very much. I appreciate it.
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Mike Nellis
Thank you.
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Clay Travis
Thanks, Pierce.
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Mike Nellis
See ya.
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Piers Morgan
Well, one of the many things that was expected to overshadow this week's royal visit was the Epstein files. The former Prince Andrew is of course, the King's brother, but in the event, it barely registered. Joining me now is Tara Palmeri. She's the host of the Tara Palmeri show, who has covered the story exhaustively and extremely comprehensively and, well, I might add. Tara. Welcome back to Uncensored. King Charles has been criticized for not meeting any of the Jeffrey Epstein victims. My understanding was that Queen Camilla was quite keen to do that and has spoken out about this before, but they have been advised by lawyers that it would be inappropriate for them to do so because of the ongoing police inquiries. What do you feel about this? Would it have been a good thing for them to spoken out or should they take legal advice and just honor that?
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Tara Palmeri
You know, I've heard mixed things. I think, you know, the Epstein survivors are not being advised by the same lawyers, obviously, and some of them would have liked to have met with the king, even if it was like A simple handshake to observe. To observe them, because many of them were on the Capitol. They were in the Capitol when he was giving his address to Congress. But I think what this entire spectacle that we saw in Washington was about when King Charles came to town without obviously stating the elephant in the room, that his brother is under investigation right now, that he's been abused by middle class American girls of sexual abuse. You know, it's created a sort of sense that there is elite normalization going on right now around the episode Epstein files and the Epstein case. And that's what we've seen all along. You know, you have an attendance at a state dinner, you have this garden party where you're having members of both sides just vetting him. Elite media, you know, enjoying being around the king. And really there are some unresolved moral issues going on with the monarchy in that institution. And I think that if he did the very least address them, whether it's in his speech or acknowledge them in comments or meet with them, I think it would send a real sign to our leadership in our country, including President Trump, who has some sort of royal, I guess you could call it fascination. He seems to be very. He seems to fantasize the idea of being a king himself, as you saw from his Two Kings post. I think it would send a really strong symbol to him that it's not something that the rest of the world is ignoring and he's willing to let it, you know, take up a news cycle in his own visit.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, I mean, Lauren Bobert, the congresswoman, she said this afterwards after the King's speech to Congress. Let's take a listen. Congressman, should the king be meeting with Jeffrey Epstein survivors? Some of his, the victims of Virginia Dufres are here today in Congress.
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Tara Palmeri
You know, it's interesting. Last night we were given a list of do's and don'ts for the king by the speaker. And we were told, you know, no selfies, no touching, no hugging, no conversations. And it really sounds like a list of don'ts, you know, for the royal family with victims more than members of Congress. So sounds like everything that his family, he's already done.
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Piers Morgan
I mean, it was a sharp point and some people will have some empathy with that point. But I think it's important to recognize that King Charles has never faced any allegations of any involvement with Epstein. It's nothing to do with him. It's his brother who's been completely disgraced. He should face, in my opinion, Andrew, investigators and authorities, but is a moment resisting that. But we'll see how that plays out. There is this ongoing sense, though, Tara, that the UK has been getting his act together about holding men to account over this Epstein scandal. Lord Mandelson disgraced and investigated by police, Andrew disgraced, arrested and so on. But we're not seeing that pattern in the United States. You're seeing some men below the radar a bit who are sort of being brought to account. But none of the big, big high profile names that have been associated with Epstein have had the similar kind of public shaming, police investigation and so on. Why is that?
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Tara Palmeri
I mean, it seems like the public officials, that's the problem in America, is that our civil servants, our public officials, our politicians, they haven't faced justice. The only people who have actually paid, I guess you could say, in their reputations or losing their positions are people who work at various institutions like Larry Summers. You saw Leon Black have to step down from the board of the private equity firm he founded, Glenn Dubin. There's just been various members of the media and of elite financial institutions and education that have had to pay some consequences, but we haven't seen anyone in public life actually be investigated. And that's the difference between the United States and the rest of the world, frankly, where they're actually opening, they're actually opening investigations into possible impropriety between Epstein and members that now are in our cabinet that, you know, even all the way to the top. President Trump. But I just want to go back to the idea that, you know, King Charles, he made an impassioned plea to Congress, you know, that we need to remember our humanitarian roots, we have to defend democratic values. And it's like there are so many accountability questions hanging over his brother over, you know, over him. And I know that in the UK you are actually investigating him, but not for the crime of sexual abuse. It's something completely unrelated. And so it just feels like there's a bit of a mismatch there when he comes to the United States and sort of tries to appeal to our moral higher ground. And yes, he should be, because we are failing in that place and in some ways the UK is doing better. But I don't think we can just sort of say, you know, I don't think we can give this one a pass as, and say this was just a successful visit.
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Piers Morgan
And just finally, Tara, do you think we're going to see the remaining 3 million documents in the Epstein files? Because it does seem quite extraordinary that half of half of the files just haven't been made public. I mean, I Can't think of anything
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Tara Palmeri
less transparent, actually, more than that. Peers, if you count the 40 terabytes of video. I mean, that would answer so many questions. And we know from, you know, we know from emails within the FBI that they're sitting on this. And I don't know how we're ever going to get this without either a whistleblowers. Maybe, maybe some of the lawsuits against the DOJ will, will stand. But it's, it's really, it's, it's. It's really baffling. And I don't know that the next administration is going to want to release them because everyone looks so bad. And I think it would just place so much doubt in the Department of Justice and create so much suspicion, and I think it really reveals, you know, national security concerns, et cetera. How is Epstein related to national security concerns? Because that's why they're withholding those millions of documents.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah, yeah. It doesn't make any sense. Tara, keep up your great work. You've been doing brilliant investigative stuff on this.
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Tara Palmeri
Thank you.
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Piers Morgan
And I appreciate it. I'm sure lots of other people do, too. Thank you very much for joining me.
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Tara Palmeri
Thank you.
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Piers Morgan
Well, join me now is Glenn Beck, host of the Glenn Beck program and founder of Torch. Glenn, welcome back to Uncensored. How are you?
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Glenn Beck
Thank you very much. Very good, Very good. Pierce, good to talk to you.
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Piers Morgan
Did you feel. Did you feel the warmth glow of royal patronage yesterday? As my king.
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Glenn Beck
Oh, my God.
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Piers Morgan
Congress and then. Then the state.
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Glenn Beck
I have to be real honest with you. Don't like Charles. Never have. Like, Charles loved his mother. Loved his what? Grandmother. Great grandmother Victoria. She was fabulous. Him? Not so much. Not so much. I have great hope for, for William and, and Kate, but, you know, we're not. I'm not a. I'm not a king person. It's amazing that we're marching no kings, but you got one and you're still getting them.
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Piers Morgan
Well, but there was. There was the irony Glenn wasn't there. Of all the Democrats who've been marching about no kings, then cheering on an actual king.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, it's not, it's not irony. It's hypocrisy, you know, But. But, you know, there, there are those. And this is the thing, Piers, that, you know, I'm coming over for the Tommy Robinson rally, and I don't know what to expect. And, and I, and I honestly say that because I'm, you know, I'm not even sure about my own countrymen sometimes. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights is not the Magna Carta. Magna Carta was a good start, but we have something that is in totally, totally different. And we don't just guarantee rights, we guarantee the right of the individual. And so many Americans don't understand that even, you know, they're for this collective, you know, everything. And that's not what our founders were for. And I worry, you know, when I hear talk about the Magna Carta and stuff. Yeah, well, you can still become a dictator and Trump could become a dictator if he doesn't concentrate on the Bill of Rights and the founding document of all men are created equal and we are as individuals, not a collective. And I don't know what to expect from England or Europe as we go into these scary times.
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Piers Morgan
Well, let's talk about Tommy Robinson then, because I saw that you posted I'm going to head to stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy Robinson, that Unite the Kingdom rally on May 16 and said you were excited and proud to do so. How much do you know about Tommy Robinson?
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Glenn Beck
I think I know enough, but not as much as, you know, I've seen him over the years change a great deal. I think we all have. And mature. I know that he was, he said himself he was very thuggish when he was young. But I think he brings up strong warnings that are important for reasonable people to listen to.
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Piers Morgan
But he is, his name isn't even Tommy Robinson. His name is Stephen Lennon. He's got, he's got convictions for assault. He was a football hooligan, led a mob. He was convicted of using a fake passport. It's been done for mortgage fraud, contempt of court, has been in and out of jail for all sorts of different things. And I've got a feeling that most of America, most of the conservative right on the American side, sort of either don't really know this about him or just are prepared to turn a blind eye because they're kind of locked in and forgive me if I don't want to include you if you don't recognize this characterization, but there's a growing sense, I said it on Hannity's show last night, of Britain being overrun by Muslims overtaken, we're becoming an Islamic state and so on. To which I say, well, we have 5% of our population is currently Muslim. And I live in London, which is an incredibly multicultural city with several million Muslims living in it. I just don't recognize this portrayal of my country or my capital city as being overrun by Muslims. But this is what Tommy Robinson wants America to think. And he's over here all the time, doing podcasts and interviews, talking about the country being invaded, being overtaken. Now, now there are legitimate questions about immigration, both legal and illegal, which I absolutely agree with. I also think, and I've said this before, that Robinson was one of the louder voices calling out this absolute disgrace of the grooming rape gangs. And he was right to do so. But I'm not sure I'd be comfortable when even Nigel Farage, head of the Reform Party here in the uk, I'm in New York at the moment, but even he, he doesn't stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy Robinson. Does that not give you pause for thought, Glenn Beck?
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Glenn Beck
Sure, it gives me pause for thought. I've talked to Tommy. I mean, he has told me all of the things that you just said. He called himself a hooligan, said that he had made huge mistakes, et cetera, et cetera. But I don't know what he's standing for that I would object to. I mean, I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've made huge mistakes in my life. We all can make mistakes in our life. But I'm not sure you know, because what I see here is an unequal application to the law and a warning of Sharia law. I don't have a problem with Muslims. I don't have a problem with people coming into the country. If you know, as long as you want to become in America, it may be different. I could move over to England and I'd never be an Englishman. You can move over to America and adopt our country and become a citizen and you will become an American. It's so. It's different. And I want that, but I don't want Sharia law. And that, that, I think, is the warning that he is giving and the warning that people should pay attention to. All over the west, you are seeing a group of people. I just saw it. Was it Denmark? 48 of those who are living as a. As a newcomer and is Islamic. 48 want Sharia law. That's incompatible with the West. That's the warning that I think people should hear. But I also want to be careful, as I. That's why I brought this up. I want to be careful. You can go wrong quickly if you get into us versus them. You can go wrong quickly if you are not understanding universal individual rights. We have to stand. What kept America from going fascist for so long has been we understand the individual right and that I don't know how to judge in Germany or Europe or anyplace else, because you don't have that's bred into us. We're losing it, but a lot of us still have it bred right deeply into us, that individual strength and love of individual rights that I don't know if the rest of the country has.
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Piers Morgan
I mean, my issue with Robinson, who refuses to come on my show because he knows I'm going to ask him stuff he doesn't get asked when he does American shows, and he knows he doesn't want to get into that because it might even send him back to prison because he'll repeat lies where there are laws which are currently contempt of court laws in the uk which if he repeated them, he'd go back to prison as he did before. So I think he's a mega silencer.
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Glenn Beck
Can I ask you a question? And again, I'm not an expert on your laws and everything else, but are you a little concerned about how many people in your country are being arrested for freedom of speech? I mean, you have. I think it was 14,000 people in the last two years. I mean, it's, it's gravely concerning what's going on.
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Piers Morgan
I've talked out about that. I think there's been a massive overdone response to people putting stuff on Facebook and whatever, whatever. And it's inconsistent with our country saying they're a country of free speech. And then, I mean, I thought the worst one was Graham Linehan, the comedian who posted two trans jokes on X and then months later got arrested by five armed police at Heathrow. It was ridiculous.
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Glenn Beck
Thrown out teacher in Ireland. I think that is just. I think got life in prison. I mean, it's. That's craziness. That's craziness.
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Piers Morgan
Well, there's, there are some absurd cases, but I think that the thing about Robinson I don't like is that, you know, his recent stay in prison was nothing to do with, with free speech and everything to do with the fact that he had lost a defamation case, a libel case against, with a Syrian refugee boy who won the case, won a six figure sum in damages and there was a contempt of court order put against Robinson, not to repeat his demonstrable proven lies, which is why he lost the defamation case. He then goes and makes this movie called Silence, which is the one thing he never is, and he repeated all the lies and then he got put back in prison because he was in breach of contempt in court. That's not a free speech issue. That's someone spewing lies being told. If you do it again, you're going to prison and he does it again.
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Glenn Beck
So I'm not here to defend or defame him. Let him speak for himself. I know I've asked him some of these questions and one of the things that he did bring up that I thought was at least, least worth consideration is how many of these things, because we've seen it in America, how many of these things are happening to you because you're on the wrong side of power? How much of that is actually righteous prosecution? And how much of that is prosecution because. Shut up and sit down. And I don't know the answer to that.
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Piers Morgan
Well, it's a legitimate. No, no, it's a legitimate question in all of these cases and I'm sure there is an element of that with some people. He is, you know, he's a self acclaimed sort of enemy of the establishment and so on. I don't know. I would feel uncomfortable, Glenn, because I've got a lot of respect for you, a lot of time for you. I would just be slightly careful how close your shoulder gets to his shoulder at this rally. Because there are some people that go to these things who are perfectly normal, decent people that care about their country. I have no doubt about that. But there are also some absolute hardcore, genuine Islamophobic thugs. And the reason I say that is, if you ask Tommy, ask Tommy Robinson, here's the point I would make. The vast majority of sexual crime in the UK is perpetrated by white men. When was the last time Tommy Robinson ever alluded to any of that on his social media platforms or at his rallies? It's always Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, as if the only people committing crimes in my country are Muslims. And it's a grotesque mischaracterization of reality.
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Glenn Beck
So I, I will tell you, Piers, when you say, you know, be careful who you get close to, I would say that about anybody. I think we all need to be very careful because in, on both sides of the aisle, in my own country, it is starting to become. They're crazies on both sides far more. I mean, a death cult now on the left, you know what happened over the weekend with the President, it's a death cult. Yeah, but there are crazies now starting to appear on the other side. But you can't, you, you have to be brave enough to say, I am an individual and this is what I believe. And I, I, I plan on, you know, being in England to observe and to watch and to speak on what I believe is important. And what I bring is a warning that individual rights, this cannot be about religion. And I'M not preaching to anybody in England. In our own country. This is not about religion. This is about a political force that wants to shut down freedoms that is a legitimate concern in Western culture and needs to have legitimate airing and discussion without hatred or name calling.
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Piers Morgan
Glenn, on that point I 100% agree with you. Always good to have you on Uncensored. Good to talk to you and maybe see you in London. Take care.
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Glenn Beck
Thanks Piers. Bye bye.
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Piers Morgan
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