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“YOU’RE The Evil Monster!” Mohammad Marandi vs Alan Dershowitz on Iran | Plus Netanyahu Spokesman
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Alan Dershowitz
I'm sitting opposite Joseph Goebbels right now. Will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50,000 innocent protesters?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
We are in 1942. You are the Nazi regime. Epstein's lawyer, Trump's lawyer is afraid of me. A layman talking. I'm not afraid of you. You can kill Epstein, you can kill whoever you like, but we're not afraid. You can bomb my house. I am prepared to die for the
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Alan Dershowitz
Palestinian, even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you. I don't need you.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You're not a good Lawyer.
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Piers Morgan
Vice President J.D. vance spent 21 hours to go sitting with the Iranians in the first failed attempt at ending the Iran war. The MoU, which he eventually got signed, was successful only because it was vague enough for both sides to think that they got everything by agreeing to nothing. Well, both sides have bright red lines. The US Wants a guarantee that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, plus all of its enriched uranium. It also wants the Hormuz Strait to be permanently open. Iran wants all sanctions lifted, proxy militias taken off the table, reparations for war damage and for its control of Hormuz to be ratified. Oh, it wants to keep the enriched uranium, too. In a moment, we'll be holding our own uncensored negotiation with representatives from both sides. It will not last 21 hours, but we begin with. With the newly appointed international spokesman for the embattled Israeli Prime Minister. Doran Spillman is familiar to many of our uncensored viewers. He now has the task of speaking for a man who is widely blamed for an unpopular war which has cost billions and killed Thousands while depleting U.S. munitions, inflating gas prices, shattering alliances, and emboldening the regime it sought to remove. Well, Doran Spielman, first of all, congratulations on your new position.
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Doran Spillman
Thank you for the kind introduction, Pierce.
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Piers Morgan
Well, it was a blunt introduction, and it's based on a cold, hard reality, really. I mean, I never thought I'd wake up to see a poll that shows that nearly 50% of Americans want the Israeli prime minister arrested and charged with war crimes. It's pretty extraordinary that things have come to that. What is your reaction to that?
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Doran Spillman
I can't comment on the poll. I haven't seen the poll. We know that polls can say anything. Depends who you're polling and what people think. But I can tell you about the prime minister, is that this is a man who, together with President Trump yesterday left the White House, two of the most important leaders in the entire world, coordinated. This is the eighth Trip that the prime minister and the president, the eighth meeting that they've made together since President Trump was reelected. He has not met with any other leader in the entire world as much as he's met with Prime Minister Netanyahu and our team. They left the meeting, and I asked the prime minister, I said, how was it? He said, this was one of the best meetings I've ever had with Donald Trump in the 40 years, with President Trump in the 40 years since I've known him. And that just shows you we're looking at two governments, peers who are so fully coordinated in battling evil. I mean, let's take a step back right now. There's an evil in the world that's called Iran. I think it's objectively evil. They just hung two of their protesters in the streets. They've killed over 50,000. They've shot ballistic missiles, and they're firing all over the Middle East. And you have two leaders who are standing up alone with nobody else's help saying, we're not going to allow this evil to metastasize Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu and the United States, led by President Trump. And this will go down in history. As I've said to you before, Pierce, and I believe this as the equivalent of having Churchill and Roosevelt fought against Hitler, not in 1942 or 41, but in 1938, before he took the Nazi regime and took over the Middle East. It will go. It took over Europe. It will go down in history as two men of incredible bravery, Bravery and courage. And that's how we're going to see it then. And I think for many people, they can see that today. If you just look at the facts, they're standing alone against evil, and they are going to win by ensuring that Iran never has a nuclear weapon.
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Piers Morgan
Right, but the problem is you're not winning. We were told this would take two to three weeks, then it would take five to six weeks. We're now nearly five months into this. All of the war aims and predictions that Prime Minister Netanyahu made to Donald Trump in the White House Situation Room several weeks before this war started have turned out not to materialize. So the IRGC remain in control. The people haven't risen up. The Ayatollah has been replaced by his son, who's even more hardline. The Strait of Hormuz has become as powerful to the Iranian regime as a nuclear weapon. They're firing off missiles, as you said, to the neighboring Gulf states, but they're doing it in retaliation for being attacked themselves. And the upshot of all this is that it's very easy to argue that, that this evil Iranian regime, and I don't contest your categorization of it, that they are more emboldened now than they were before the war started. How the hell is that any kind of victory? And how does this end,
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Doran Spillman
Pierce? If I was to tell you that a nuclear attack was prevented, would that be considered a success? Because had Israel and the United States not stepped up to the plate in June, and you and I spoke during that war and right after that war, had we not. And it was similar arguments, why is it taking so long? What's happening? Had we not stepped up to the plate in June 2025, then in December, January, February 2026, that Iran would have been armed with a nuclear weapon. We wouldn't be talking about the Straits of Hormuz, where Iran is threatening the world with a ballistic missile. Iran would be threatening today with a nuclear weapon. The price of gas isn't going to be $88 a barrel or $120 a barrel. It'll be thousands of dollars a barrel. Not to mention that they could shoot and say they will destroy Israel. They're planning on destroying the United States. They're burning pictures of President Trump in the streets, calling for his death. They're sending people into America. Threats are being taken care of, that they are trying to kill the president of the United States. They would have moved forward and dropped an atomic weapon somewhere in the world to have prevented that. Is that. I can't think of a greater military success, Pierce. Possibly in the 21st century. And we will look back and we'll understand.
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Piers Morgan
There's one problem.
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Doran Spillman
You know what? To take care of the Iranian regime.
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Alan Dershowitz
Just.
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Doran Spillman
If I just may just take care of this regime.
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Piers Morgan
There's one problem. Doran. Let me just.
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Doran Spillman
Hang on, hang on.
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Piers Morgan
Let me just rewind you. Let me just rewind. Let me rewind you, because you made a statement there. But here's the confusion for the rest of us watching on. After the 12 day war a year ago, which was deemed a spectacular military success, the president of the United States declared as a fact that Iran's nuclear program and aspirations had been put back decades. Decades. And yet you now want me to believe that within eight months, the threat of them developing a nuclear weapon and using it imminently was right back again. So who's lying here? Who's telling the truth? Was Trump lying when he said that you put back the Israelis and Americans, the Iranian nuclear aspiration by decades? Last June Were you lying then? Are you lying now?
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Doran Spillman
I'm not a spokesman for the president, but I will say this. I think that President Trump has very good instincts. The Prime Minister, Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump have agreed on the outcome, which is the fact that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon whatsoever or the ability to manufacture a nuclear weapon, and therefore they're united on the goal. How the President decides to move forward to getting that done and is up to him. But in answer to your question, President Trump and the state of Israel, led by Israel in June with Operation Midnight Hammer, which is the United States name, it was Israel for 11 days. The US coming in on the 12th day, causing irreparable damage, stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon today set back that regime massively. However, what did Iran do as soon as the fighting stopped? We both know what they did. They didn't all of a sudden turn to the international community and say, you know what? We're going to turn over a new leaf. We're going to open businesses, we're going to take Trump's economic plan immediately. They eliminated protesters, 50,000 people were killed, and they went right back to developing their nuclear program. And I think at that point, President Trump sat back and said, wait a second, we just hammered them. Midnight Hammer, Israel hammered them. And the first thing they do is they go back to trying to produce a nuclear weapon. If that's what their intention is, then we have to try to finish the job. And then he said very clearly, we could do it the easy way with negotiation. I think he's been incredibly patient, or we could do it the hard way. And our perspective is, however the President decides to do it, the Prime Minister has been very clear about this. Go ahead and do it. As long as we both agree, and we do, they will not have a nuclear weapon, because if they have it, the United States isn't going to be able to just disconnect from Iran and say, we'll be safe over here. No, they're building ballistic missiles to reach East Coast. They already have ballistic missiles that can reach England, not to mention Israel. We cannot allow an arsonist and give him a torch and say, you know what, here's a torch. Try not to light anything on fire. You wouldn't do that with your own family. And we can't do it with the world.
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Piers Morgan
The problem is that nothing that you've been trying has worked. And that's self evident because we're now five months into this war. The regime's intact, the IRGC is in control. The people aren't rising up. They're using the Strait of Hormuz in any way they see fit. They're attacking their Gulf State neighbors with impunity. They've got plenty of ballistic missiles clear, because they keep firing them. And yet I keep waking up and hearing, oh, their navy's gone, their air force is gone, their missiles have gone, and they're completely depleted. We're killing them. Are you? I mean, really. It doesn't look like it to me. Looks like the Iranians are actually getting the upper hand here because they know the controlling Australia of Hormuz holds the global energy market over a barrel. And even they may not have understood just how big a deal that would be in reality. But it is a massive deal. And what it does is put economic imperatives into play and political ones. With the midterm elections coming in the United States in November, you've got elections, obviously, in Israel. And the Iranians know if they just string things out until then, political imperatives will come into play. I just don't see where the victory comes. You know, I'm seeing no sign of the revolution that you aspire to have happen. The regime appears completely in control and in power. The enriched uranium remains buried away. You've no idea where it is. I just don't see where the victory is coming here. Unless you can say to me, well, here's how we're going to win and here's the timescale. Can you do that?
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Doran Spillman
You know, Pierce, I could respond to each and every single one of these points. We've done it before. And explain why the regime has been set back. I could talk about the ballistic missiles. I could talk about their command and control structure, which is already in the fourth tier. I could take this piece by piece. But you know what the biggest. And I want to respond. You know what this war brought out and what Iran's biggest tactical mistake was, in addition to not accepting the peace deal and killing so many of their people. They played their hand. They played their hand. Now they now realize, like you said, they controlled the Straits of Hormuz and they can bring the world to its knees because of the financial crisis. And they played this hand before. They have a nuclear weapon. Can we imagine, Pierce, if a nuclear weapon which was three weeks away from Iran in June and could be rebuilt again, if this regime, if that enriched material is not removed, if they had a nuclear weapon, if they were smart, they never would have gone to the Straits of Hormuz. They would have said, we're going to Accept everything. And they would have slowly built up their plan. Israel would have tried to take them out. And then when they. If they got a weapon, they would have held the entire world hostage. But by playing their hand, we understand who they are. And you know what, Pierce? We can say back and forth all day long, we haven't done everything. No, we have to work towards defeating this regime. The President, with great wisdom, has said, you know what? I really want to negotiate. And by the way, Israel, I spoke with the prime Minister about this directly. It's how he feels it in his heart. He said, if the President can get this done without us having to send our boys and girls, our airplanes, or whatever else in that region, we prefer it. If not, then we'll have to turn up the heat and we'll have to use whatever military options are necessary. But we want to stretch this as long as we can to hope. And I don't know if it's possible, I'm skeptical. But to hope that maybe someone in Iran will for once think about the Iranian people and we can look towards a ray of sunlight, but if not, we're going to have to move, use other options. And the President clearly has shown, as is Israel, that we have those options on the table.
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Piers Morgan
I've interviewed probably Netanyahu three times in my career, but we've tried every week since October 7th to get him back on uncensored, and he so far resisted all our approaches. You now are his official spokesman. Could we get an interview with him?
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Doran Spillman
I'm willing to bring it up. I'm only one week in my position.
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Piers Morgan
I mean, I keep being told how fearless he is, so I don't know what would stop him. But maybe you could pass on the message that we have an open schedule of whenever he would make time for us. We'd appreciate it.
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Doran Spillman
I will let him know.
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Piers Morgan
Pierce, Doris Fehlman, I appreciate you coming on. Thank you very much. Well, let's bring in our two national representatives for the uncensored attempt at brokering the terms of peace. Professor at Tehran University, Mohammad Morandi and lawyer, scholar and author Alan Dershowitz. Well, welcome to both of you. We've not had you two debating on uncensored. I hope we can conduct it in a civilized manner. Mohammad Morandi, let me start with you. You know, I've been having a lot of debates in the last few days about the state of this war. And it seems to me that whatever people think of the Iranian regime, it is holding out against the might of the American and Israeli military. Pretty capably, so far. We're nearly five months into this war. What is your overall assessment of where the war is?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Well, contrary to what I heard in your little love fest with the spokesman of the genocidal regime, the regime in Washington and the regime in Tel Aviv have both failed utterly in their war of aggression on Iran, both last year and this year. And of course, it was always based on a lie. And we knew, we know that they were lying. The International Atomic Energy Agency has never indicated that Iran at any point was seeking a nuclear weapon. US intelligence since 2003, at least since then, admits that Iran was never seeking a nuclear weapon. Tulsi Gabbard just last year under oath, said Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon. And Joe Kent, in his resignation letter at the beginning of the war, an appointee by Trump, head of anti terrorism, he said that Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon and that it was not a threat to the United States, contrary to what the madman was saying before this discussion. But we know that Joe Kent also said the reason for this war is the Zionist lobby and the Israeli regime. And yes, the United States has failed. They failed in the 40 days of war. They failed in the 12 day war. They failed in the 40 days of battle. They failed in siege warfare against the Iranian people. And they failed in the recent conflict with or aggression with the Iranians. And they will fail in future. And they are the United States under pressure from Zionists. They are pushing the global economy towards a cliff. And if this continues, we will have a global economic depression.
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Piers Morgan
Alan Deutschwitz, your response to that?
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Alan Dershowitz
We are in 1935 Germany, Versailles Treaty, Germany starting to rearm. It's drafting people. It's violating the treaty. And England and France could have destroyed in a preventive war what eventually resulted in 100 million deaths from Nazi Germany. But they didn't. Why? Because if they had gone in in 1935, it would have been messy. It wouldn't have happened in five days. It would have taken time. It would have used. It would have involved casualties. But in the end, 100 million lives would have been saved. And that's where we are today. Look, Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. Forget about what he or anybody else says. Every sane, rational person has to assume that Iran would develop a nuclear weapon if it could and as President Trump has said, would probably use it, maybe not from a bomb, but maybe by giving it to terrorist groups. And so what we have is a situation where the United States and Israel can help prevent a great, great catastrophe. And as Your previous guest from Israel said they've already done that. They've set back the nuclear program. We don't know whether it's months or years, but we're not. It's not imminent anymore. And so it has succeeded to that extent, but it's messy and it's very difficult and it's not going to have a clear resolution. But it's better than the alternative because the alternative would have been Iran developing a nuclear weapon and having the world beholden to it because it has a nuclear weapon. We made a mistake in North Korea. We allowed them to develop nucle weapons. The other countries that are nuclear weapons aren't going to use them. But Iran has a policy of being able to use every weapon it can to destroy the great Satan, the United States and the small Satan, Israel. And so I really think that this war, unsuccessful as it has been to produce a final result, will go down in history as probably the most important war Since World War II in the sense of at least setting back and preventing an even greater catastrophe from occurring. It's not perfect and it will have all kinds of problems. And nobody should claim that the nuclear program has been completely obliterated or that it's been a complete success. It's not a complete success. It's just a lot better than the alternative.
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Piers Morgan
But is it a remote success, Alan? Because last time I checked, the Iranian regime still has all its enriched uranium. They've given no indication that they're prepared to surrender any of that. And their chances therefore, of developing the nuclear weapon in the way that you fear seem to be exactly the same as they were before all this. And again, I'll repeat to what I said to Doris Spilman, which is we were assured at the end of a 12 day war by President Trump that that had put back Iran's nuclear aspirations in terms of developing a nuclear weapon by decades. And yet eight months later, we have to launch a fully fledged war against them because they're about to use nuclear weapons. These things can't all be true.
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Alan Dershowitz
No, it's true. That's absolutely accurate. But what it has done is it set back the program considerably. For example, yes, they still have enriched uranium, by the way. Why do they have it if they're not trying to develop nuclear weapons? But they're buried and both Israel and the United States have eyes, satellite eyes on it. And right now it's not accessible to them. Right now the centrifuges are in great difficulty. Small victories when it comes to preventing nuclear war are very, very important. And, you know, I think a lot of people make the mistake of assuming one side is going to win, one side is going to lose. No, we can have a calibrated. And what we're seeing here is a calibrated success in setting back the nuclear program. Not 20 years, not six months, probably a couple of years. The threat is not imminent. And there are many things that can happen. We don't know what the fate of Pickaxe Mountain is going to be. It, too, may be subject to attack because of its ability to produce, perhaps, nuclear weapons. This is an ongoing battle. It will not end in five weeks. It will not end in five years. The goal is to make sure that Iran never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, develops nuclear weapons. And my opponent on the other side doesn't seem to have a problem with that. He doesn't think Iran ever wants to develop nuclear weapons. So why don't you come to the table, make a deal that will make it absolutely impossible to do what you say Iran wants to do, and that is not develop a nuclear weapon. We can have peace if you come to the table and present the United States and the world with an airtight. Not the old plan, but an airtight plan to do what you say you want to do. That is prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. So here we can be on the same page here, and we can avoid further war. Just come to the table and do that. Just assure the world that your promise, which is hollow, obviously, speaking on behalf of the Iranian regime, that you don't want to develop nuclear weapons, that your promise can actually be made certain on the ground. Then we can have peace.
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Piers Morgan
Okay. Professor Morandi.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Oh, is it my turn? Because you've been, you know, for the last half an hour, you've been busy with the spokesman for genocide and Epstein's buddy who used to go to Rape island with him. But for a person who frequented Rape Island, I think anything that he says is nonsense. And see, he. I listen to him. I listen to him, but he's a lawyer, yet he cannot tolerate the words of a layman. That's how weak his argument is. Now, of course, someone who supports the genocidal regime of Israel would say this sort of nonsense. And of course, we recall how the South African government in its ICJ complaint showed genocidal intent by the Israeli regime, including the Israeli Prime Minister, whose spokesman you brought on and had this little love fest before this discussion. And you know what?
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Piers Morgan
You don't have to keep making. Professor Burandi. Professor Morandi, just to be clear, it Wasn't a loss.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
I can spend my time. Spend my time.
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Piers Morgan
Statements. I treated him with the same. I treated him with the same respect. I try and treat you until you inevitably. Until you inevitably go. Till you never. Until you always invariably go ad hominem on people. Try not to go ad hominem. Stop with the silly dish. Stick to the proper debate we're having and viewers may learn something. Force yourself.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Let. Let the viewers judge. Pierce. I know where you stand. Pierce. I saw your previous interview with Ehud Barak. I saw it with this spokesman. We know where you stand, so that's not really important. But the point is that.
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Piers Morgan
Where do you think I stand? Where do you think I stand?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You stand with the genocide. You stand with the ethno supremacist regime. I once asked you three times in a row, do you consider an ethno supremacist regime to be legitimate? And you refuse to answer.
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Alan Dershowitz
And the tone of your language.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
I'm not allowed to speak.
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Piers Morgan
I've also. I've also. Hang on. Just to be clear. Just to be clear. Just to be clear. And I want to get back to the debate in a moment. But just to be clear, I have repeatedly asked you in our numerous interviews and I platform you regularly. Something you always try and diminish in terms of its significance. But I do, and I've always asked you to tell me one critical thing about your own regime. And you always fail, which is very telling. So let's just park that to one side. Let's get back to the debate.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
My regime is infinitely superior to your genocidal regime that helped the Israeli regime in the genocide. My regime, as you like to call it. Your guest doesn't want me to speak. Obviously. My regime did not pull the plug on little infants in the. In the. In the hospital. In the premature. The. In the premature. For the premature babies in the Nasser hospital pulled the plug on those premature babies and let them die. My regime didn't do that. The regime that you support did that. But getting back to the topic, the reality is that chemical weapons were used on our country with the support of your government. I survived two chemical attacks. And then your guest has the audacity to say that Iran would use weapons of mass destruction. During the Iran Iraq war, the state, the leader, refused to produce chemical weapons even though the military politicians asked him. He said, no, it's immoral. So we had to suffer your chemical weapons and your governments prevented our government from even purchasing gas masks. My gas mask was bought on the black market. It was North Korean. So don't talk about weapons of mass destruction to me when my friends have died because of your chemical weapons. Your regime is the regime that has used nuclear weapons twice. And your ally, your genocidal ally, the apartheid regime, the illegitimate regime where 46, I think, 44% of young Jews, Jews below the age of 35 in the United States believe that Jews and Palestinians have to live together in one state with equal rights. That is exactly the Iranian policy. So despite your propaganda, despite your nonsense, despite the lies that you promote, people are waking up. Jews in the United States are waking up. Christians, Muslims, people from all walks of life are swinging. Who's carrying out a holocaust in Gaza? You know Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan, when this genocidal regime in 1982 invaded Lebanon, he called it a holocaust. This is far worse than the Holocaust of 1982. But you refuse to acknowledge this genocide. Whereas the population in Gaza has collapsed. It's not 70 or 80,000 people have died as a result of this war. Hundreds of thousands have died. The population has collapsed. People are dying every day. Not just because the kids are being bombed or being sniped, because they're dying of illnesses and a lack of medicine that this filthy regime is imposing on the people, on the kids of Gaza. But you want to look away and antagonize the Iranian people or the Palestinians or Hezbollah or whoever else it is that you'd like to antagonize so that they can get away with this, but you will not be able to do so because people are waking up apartments.
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Piers Morgan
I need to get Alan to respond. Okay, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan. Hang on one second. Before you give a response to what you just heard, I just want to stress again that Israel has never been more unpopular globally and not least in the United States, where 50% nearly of Americans said they would like to see Netanyahu arrested for war crimes. Where two thirds of Americans have a negative view of Israel. You know, my view of this is that Israel's current government is populated with people like Ben GVIR and Smodrich, these other guys who are complete psychopaths, and that the activities that they are promoting in, for example, the west bank at the moment and so on are making Israel a global pariah. Does that not concern you?
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Alan Dershowitz
Of course it does. And I'm not at all a supporter of Ben gvir. I'm not a supporter of Smetridge. I am a supporter of the nation state of the Jewish people. I am a proud Zionist. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. Israel is the only non colonialist state in the Middle East. All the other states were established by colonialist regimes. After the First World War, Israel fought against colonialism and self determination. I am not here to support everything Israel does. I wouldn't vote for Ben gvir. I wouldn't vote for Smetrich. I have to tell you that if in 1935 Winston Churchill had been the Prime Minister of England and he had gone into Germany and attacked them, he would be the most unpopular person in the world. It's very, very unpopular to engage in preventive wars because you don't know what you're preventing. History is blind and deaf to the future. You only know what you're doing now. And so it takes enormous courage. Courage of the kind that not only Winston Churchill had, but that Benjamin Netanyahu has had, that Ronald Reagan has had, that George Washington had back in the day. It takes tremendous courage to get involved in a war that is unpopular. The Revolutionary War was unpopular with many, many parts of the United States. It was the right war, the Second World War. Nobody wanted to get into it on the basis from the United States. Lindbergh was against it, the polls were showing against it. It took enormous courage to take on Adolf Hitler. And you know, I hate to say this, but I think I'm in 1935 and I'm sitting opposite Joseph Goebbels right now and he's making the propaganda case for the Nazi regime just the way this professor is making the propaganda case for the new Nazi regime, which is the regime of Iran. Will you at least admit, sir, Will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50,000 innocent protesters? And would you admit if that's true, that that comes closer to genocide than anything that Israel has been accused of doing in self defense after its people were raped, kidnapped, murdered on October 7th. Would you at least admit that the Iranian regime has killed many, many, many thousands of people? Yes or no?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You know, we are not in 1935, we're not in 1939, we are in 1942. You are the Nazi regime that is carrying out a holocaust in Gaza. You are the Nazi who is doing it as we speak. You're the evil monster. You say Israel is not a colonial regime. You're from Eastern Europe. You're European. All of those Ashkenazi Jews who are now running the country, they're from Eastern Europe. You came and slaughtered. I'm talking. I didn't interrupt you as you were ranting. The people who you support, the people who are running the country. They're Polish, they're Ukrainian, they're from Czechoslovakia, they're from Eastern Europe. You're not. You're the anti Semite because you've been slaughtered.
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Alan Dershowitz
You won't let me talk.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You are afraid. You're afraid because you know you have no argument, you have no leg to stand on. You slaughtered the semi Palestinians and you took their land. And you. And you support. You are a proud Zionist who supports a regime that celebrates the rapists in prison, they rape Palestinians in prison and then they're celebrated on television. This is. If you don't have me talk. You're just exposing yourself. You're exposing yourself. You're exposing yourself just as you expose yourself with Epstein.
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Alan Dershowitz
I'm Israel.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
In response to your nonsense, the nonsense about 50,000 people. Those lies have been responded to by the Iranian people. Stop ranting. I'm speaking. You're a lawyer. You're a lawyer. 3,117 people died thanks to an armed insurgency that your regime and the Israeli regime funded and supported.
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Alan Dershowitz
You're a coward.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You are a coward. You won't let me talk. You're afraid. You're afraid of me talking.
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Alan Dershowitz
Don't tell me I'm afraid.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Epstein's lawyer, Trump's lawyer is afraid of me. A layman talking. Why? Because you have no leg to stand on. The Iranian people have spoken. They went to the streets in the tens of millions. They went. You're a coward. You won't let me talk. I let you talk because I'm not afraid of you. People are not afraid of you anymore. You can kill Epstein, you can kill. You can kill whoever you like, but we're not afraid. You can bomb my house, you can kill me with my family, but I'm not afraid of you. I will support the Palestinian people until your regime bombs my home. So go and tell them that I am prepared to die for the Palestinian people. But you, you who used to frequent Epstein island, you have no principles and no morality. The Iranian people came to the streets in the tens of millions. We all know it. The footage is there. The international journalists were there. Not just in Iran, but in Iraq. The Iranian people have spoken whose side they are. No one is going to be fooled by your propaganda to justify war.
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Alan Dershowitz
Well, let's get this lost.
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Piers Morgan
Okay, Alan Dershowitz.
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Alan Dershowitz
How many times do you think I was at Jeffrey Epstein's island? How many times? Say it again so we could get it on tape. How many times?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
One time is more than enough. But I think you've been there five
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Alan Dershowitz
Six times, I was saying multiple times. How many times do you think I was there?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
I think you were there five, six times.
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Alan Dershowitz
Say. Say it again. Five, six times.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Yeah, something like that.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah.
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Alan Dershowitz
I was his lawyer just the way I was the lawyer for Palestinians.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
What a naive lawyer.
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Alan Dershowitz
Black. No, no, don't interrupt me. I was the lawyer for Palestinian students who tried to hang the flag when Yasser Arafat died. I was the lawyer for Nazis in Skokie, Illinois. I helped represent them. I would even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you. I'm a lawyer. Lawyer does. And that's what lawyers should be proud of. And then I'm going to continue to represent people you don't like as long as I have the current strength to do it. And you can cite that as an argument against Israel, but it has nothing to do with Israel. It's just an ad hominem attack on me as a lawyer and on the American legal shame. You wouldn't understand the American legal system
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
because you don't have a being his lawyer. So don't talk nonsense.
- [35:49]
Alan Dershowitz
Say it again.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You yourself admitted that you regret being his lawyer. So don't talk nonsense to me.
- [35:56]
Alan Dershowitz
I don't regret being his lawyer. I'm proud to have been President Clinton's lawyer. I'm proud to have been Ted Kennedy's lawyer. I'm proud to have been the lawyer for hundreds of indigent people who didn't have enough money to have a lawyer. And I would be happy to go to Iran and represent the people who can't get lawyers there who were executed yesterday because they went to demonstrations. You have to say what you're saying.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
The two people. The two people who are executed yesterday. And I've tweeted the footage. The two people. I'm glad you said this. You are so naive. You're not a good lawyer. I tweeted this yesterday and I will retweet it after this debate. The two people were executed yesterday. They burned four police officers alive and stabbed them. They were executed because of murdering four police officers. So I will retweet that today. But that's. And that, by the way, what happened during that arm. Don't be afraid. Let me. Let me explain.
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Alan Dershowitz
What about don't be afraid? If people listen, you are the one.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You are the one from the civilized world. You are the proud Zionist, the ethno supremacist that we should all be listening to. So don't worry about what. Don't worry if people hear what I say. You, your own Israeli regime, the regime that you love so much itself admitted that they were behind the armed insurgency. Channel 14 of the Israeli regime, which is close to Netanyahu, itself said, and I tweeted this and others have too, that the Israeli regime they helped send in, along with Americans, they helped send in the weapons that killed hundreds of police officers during those two days of armed insurgency. Your own regime admits it. Your own regime admits it.
- [37:54]
Alan Dershowitz
I hope that's true. I would like to see the United States and Israel together topple the Iranian regime and replace it by a democratic regime where all people can vote and all people have free speech. I would be happy to participate in, in any such attempt to try to topple this Nazi regime. That's what would have happened in 1935 if they had done the right thing. We have a chance now to have peace in the world by toppling the Iranian regime. It won't happen overnight, it won't happen quickly. But ultimately, the good people of Iran, the good people of Iran will rise up against their evil leaders who kill them in the street and will give them ultimately, for the first time, real democracy. That's what we want.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
So says the genocide supporter, the genocide supporter who's supporting an ongoing genocide where every day Palestinians are dying every single day as we speak. And Western media won't tell anyone about it because it's controlled by the same sort of people who you are aligned to, kids who are dying of disease every day, those parents who are dying every day because of a lack of proper food and medicine. You are responsible. And all those Western journalists who've been trying to distract public opinion away from it. The only guilt of the Iranian people, the only guilt of the Iranian people and Hezbollah and Yemen is that they say no to genocide. That has been the guilt for 47 years. For decades, your regime has been supporting the apartheid and genocidal regime of Israel and supporting the brutal regimes across the world, in Latin America and Africa, in our region and in Asia.
- [39:41]
Alan Dershowitz
But the only time.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
But your hostility is towards Iran because Iran says no to ethnosupremicism, just like 46% of young Jews in the United States. Iran says no to genocide, no to ethnic cleansing, no to colonization, and that Palestine must be a land where Jews and Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings. Your regime, your Israeli regime, because you're not loyal to the United States, you're loyal to the Israeli regime, to the genocidal regime your regime bombed. During this war. Your regime bombed a synagogue. Your regime bombed a synagogue in Tehran. Why? Because that synagogue was Not a Zionist synagogue. You hate Jews. You hate Jews that are not Zionists. You are an anti Semite because you kill Palestinians and you're from Eastern Europe. You have no right to slaughter and rape and murder.
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Piers Morgan
Let me bring Alan back in here. All right. Let me bring Alan back in. Alan. Alan, let's just talk about the politics of this because you mentioned earlier, this could take five years, it could take longer. But there's a political relevancy to this, which is if Donald Trump was to lose the House and the Senate in the midterm elections, then he becomes a lame duck president and would then be highly likely to precipitate a loss in the general election for the Republicans. And the moment the Democrats get back into power, they're going to get out of this. So this could all be over, regardless of whatever you would like or Donald Trump would like or Netanyahu would like. This could all be over within the next, you know, just two and a bit years because of the politics of this in America.
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Alan Dershowitz
That's right, because we have a democracy and we vote for what we want. Iran, on the other hand, which. In which only Muslims have rights, in which there's no free speech. There hasn't been an election for almost forever. They don't have those rights. Yes, we can overthrow our government. Yes, the Democrats maybe will take control of the House and the Senate. That's a risk. That's what happened in Great Britain after Churchill won the Second World War with the United States. He got thrown out of power. Voters are fickle, but principled politicians, Churchillian politicians, do the right thing, regardless of what the political implications are. And the right thing is to continue to make sure that Iran doesn't pose a nuclear danger to the world. Now, I want to pursue a little bit more of what our distinguished professor here said. He said Jews control the media. Jews control the media. Jews. And he start making other kinds of arguments.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a lawyer, but you're a liar. You're a lawyer, but you open your lie. People are watching. Jews 46, 44% of young Jews in the United States under the age of 35. They don't believe your nonsense anymore. No one believes you. You bombed the Jewish synagogue in Tehran. You're the enemy of Jews. You are. I never said. You say that the audience can judge for themselves. In fact, when you say Iran has no freedom of speech, your host, I've invited him to come to Iran on multiple occasions to see if there is free speech. When I tell him to read the book going to Tehran, he gets angry because it goes against his narrative. But you speak on behalf of supremacist regime and you speak of free speech. Your country is run by oligarchs. You think that the people of the United States have free speech when they lose their jobs, when on campus they can't talk out against the Israeli regime and the brutality of the regime. Don't talk nonsense. People lose their jobs in your country. Their futures are destroyed when they speak truth to power.
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Piers Morgan
But let me ask you, Professor Morandi, let me ask you. Look, I presume there is one thing you would both agree on which you would like this war to be over sooner rather than later. Correct?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
We would like justice. We would like that. We would like what? What would end all wars in this region? Is one thing that the land of Palestine be a land where Jews, Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings. That's something that your other guests would never support and never accept. And that's why.
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Piers Morgan
Well, let me ask you.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
We have the chance.
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Piers Morgan
Let me ask you. Well, let me. You see, you. You said he wouldn't accept it. Let me ask you, Alan, would you accept that?
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Alan Dershowitz
Of course I accept it completely. I accept completely. People in every part of the world living as equals without regard to their religion.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You would accept that all Palestinians living within. In the west bank and Gaza. Listen. No, answer my question. All the Palestinians, including those living in the west bank, in Gaza, they would have equal rights to those Israelis who you brought in from Europe and across the world. They would have equal rights. You accept that?
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Alan Dershowitz
Let me be very clear. The vast majority of Israelis come from Arabic backgrounds, North Africa, Muslim backgrounds, Arab backgrounds.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
That's Palestine. That's not Palestine. That's not Palestine. Morocco is not Palestine.
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Alan Dershowitz
Background. They're Mizrahim, not Ashkenazim.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Number one, you are Ashkenazi. You and those running the country are mostly Ashkenazi. And the Mizraqi Jews are not Palestinian and they're not Semite.
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Alan Dershowitz
Of course, I believe in complete equality for everybody. Now, I want to ask you the question.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Do you think the West Banking gardener in the West. So you say. So you say. No, no, no, don't. Don't run away from the answer. You say that. You say that the Palestinian. You answer the question. You say that the Israeli regime should dismantle the system that now exists and that all Palestinians in the land of Gaza and in the west bank should have the right of vote and should have citizenship to this land. And they cannot Be removed from their homes. You say that, right? You accept that?
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Alan Dershowitz
Yes, right, of course. I think that they should be citizens of an independent state in Gaza. An independent state?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
No, no, no, no, I didn't say that. I did not say that. Don't change, don't change.
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Alan Dershowitz
The complete right to.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
You accept that the people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine?
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Alan Dershowitz
I believe that peaceful Israel.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Answer the question. Answer the question. The people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine. They are not from Gaza. Gaza was a village 50, 60, 70 years ago. The people in the west bank, many of them are not from the West Bank. Many people in Jordan, they are not from Jordan or Lebanon or in Syria or in Egypt. The Palestinian population that has been expelled from their homes, that have been kicked out of their homes and have been decimated for decades, you believe that within Palestine, what is now today called Israel plus the west bank and Gaza, that they should have equal rights and citizenship.
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Alan Dershowitz
Let's remember how it started. 1947, the UN partitioned.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Just a yes or no. No. We don't know how it started. You can't. Your, your. The people who run Israel came from Europe. We know where they came from. They came from Eastern Europe for the most part. Many came from Russia. We know that. They don't. They're not Semites. I'm asking you a simple question. Just say, should the Palestinians in Gaza and in the west bank and the Palestinians who've been expelled from their homes, who are from that land, who are equal rights and citizenship. This is a simple question. Most of the show has asked you the question and you try to shoot the question.
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Piers Morgan
Please, let him answer. Let him answer.
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Alan Dershowitz
In 1940, nations divided what was then a place called Palestine, named by the Romans, into two areas. One where there were a majority of Jews and that could be a Jewish state. And the other which was much larger with the arable land, which could be a Palestinian state. Palestinians would have had a completely free state on the west bank and in the Gaza. And the Palestinian leadership, led by a Nazi named Husseini, turned it down and refused and attacked Israel in a genocidal war against Israel. That's what caused people to leave their homes and abandon their villages. Ben Gurion wanted to welcome them all, kept them there, let them have a two state solution. Israel said yes, the Palestinians said no. That was the origin of the conflict. And we can't go back in time now. Obviously things have changed. But I want complete equality for everybody. I want every.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
May I just. May I just interest you? Because as a lawyer, let me just tell you one thing for your own sake.
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Alan Dershowitz
It's only once.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
For your own sake. It's not what you use, what you are saying. The argument that you're making. These fairy Tales worked before October 7th. They worked because the west had the propaganda machine. The west, they had the centers of knowledge. It works. And most people did not know the truth. So they worked. But the mistake that you made was that after October 7 and South Africa complained to the ICJ, the after October 7, in the complaint that the South African government in the south. In that complaint, they showed the genocidal intent of your regime, your Israeli regime. And after that, we saw it carry out that and gradually as time. Well, anyone can read it online. I advise all the viewers to use the search engine to go and look at the South African complaint to the icj. After that, okay, People can read it. It's just quotes.
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Piers Morgan
Okay?
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Your prime minister, you know what, quoting your you know what President. And then people saw the genocide.
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Piers Morgan
I'm calling a timeout.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
I'm calling a timeout on television for the world.
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Piers Morgan
Just to be clear. I think it's probably pretty clear to viewers now why negotiations took 21 hours and why the war is still raging. But I appreciate you both, really. That was a war of aggressive.
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Professor Mohammad Morandi
Iran did not attack the United States. Iran did not pierce. Iran did not attack the United States. And the United States is sacrificing the world for this ethno supremacist regime it has killed.
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Piers Morgan
All I can say is good luck. All I can say is good luck to the negotiating teams who are trying to bring this war to an end. Because even trying to bring this debate to an end is proving completely impossible. I appreciate you both. Professor Morandi, Alan Dershowitz, I've got to leave you there. I thank you both very much for your time. Thank you.
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Alan Dershowitz
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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Piers Morgan
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