Govt 8: Graduation LIVE!

Summary

Planet Money Summer School: Govt 8 – Graduation LIVE!

Podcast: Planet Money Summer School (NPR)
Episode Date: August 27, 2025
Host: Robert Smith (& Planet Money team)
Live from: The Bell House, Brooklyn

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Episode Overview

This lively finale of Planet Money Summer School celebrates the end of a summer exploring economics — not with a dry lecture, but with the world’s quirkiest graduation party! Robert Smith, donned in a "dean’s robe" green as the show’s logo (and not recognized by any institution), presides over a mock commencement complete with trivia battles, honorary degrees for government data heroes, and an audience of economics "students." The episode dives into the vital role of government agencies, especially those who produce the economic data we rely on, the importance of trust in those numbers, and a playful—yet serious—reminder to defend the institutions underpinning our economy.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. The "Fake Graduation" Ceremony – Setting the Stage

[01:23–03:15]

• Robert Smith introduces the “graduation,” referencing Planet Money Summer School’s mission: teaching economics fundamentals so listeners can understand the economy all around them.
• The audience is primed for a mixture of silly fun and real substance, including quizzes, special guests, and a fierce competition for the title of Class Valedictorian.

2. The Big Theme: What Should Government Do in the Economy?

[03:15–04:13]

• Hosts pose foundational economics questions:
  • Should the government intervene to address inequality?
  • Should it control “land, tools, and factories?"
• Light-hearted banter about the spectrum of views ("Officers, please arrest those communists") underscores the mix of levity and depth.

3. Government Agency Quiz — Economics in Everyday Acronyms

[04:13–05:31]

• Audience members compete to decode government agency abbreviations.
  • Highlights the sometimes-hidden infrastructure behind everyday statistics ("DOC" is Department of Commerce).
• Only a few prevail as the acronyms get more obscure, setting the scene for the later Valedictorian trivia contest.

4. Honoring the Unsung Heroes: Government Statisticians

[06:54–18:49]

Why We Should Care About Bureaucrats and Data

[07:14–07:49]

• The hosts note that while government statistics seem boring, they're the foundation of everything from unemployment rates to GDP — and they've recently become front-page news (after the firing of the Bureau of Labor Statistics chief).

The Consequences of Politicized Data

[07:49–09:31]

• The firing of BLS head Dr. Erica McEntoffer is discussed as a deeply political and shocking act.
• Mary Childs cites a warning:

  "If people don't trust the data, then you might as well not produce it." — Mary Childs, [09:16]

Data Collection is Human, Difficult, and Under Threat

[09:31–13:17]

• Real-world stories:
  • A BLS data collector tracking the price of romaine lettuce in Brooklyn. Even small changes in weight or packaging can affect inflation data.

    "So 2.99 is the same price. Oh, wait, we have a change here. It’s the same price. However, the weight is different. So effectively, that’s a price decrease for these packaged romaine heads." — Robert Smith & BLS Collector, [10:05]

  • Surveys are labor-intensive, require trust and relationship-building, and have become harder post-pandemic due to rising distrust and tighter budgets.

The Value and Vulnerability of Data Integrity

[13:47–14:23]

• BLS processes are transparent and robust, but norms protecting them are fragile:

  "They can be undermined." — Mary Childs, [13:55]
  “Trust takes a long time to build up, and it can be ruined in an instant.” — Mary Childs, [13:58]

• Call to listeners: answer surveys, support data professionals, and defend trust in public data.

Honoring the Data Pros (and Literal Honorary Degree)

[14:23–18:49]

• Mary Childs presents a symbolic "degree" to all government statisticians.

• Special guest: Dr. Kartik Athreya, Director of Research at the NY Fed, explains the challenges and importance of real-time economic data:

  "The core question is always kind of the same, which is, what is signal and what is noise? A bunch of stuff comes in. You don’t know what’s likely to stick..." — Kartik Athreya, [16:15] “People don’t always respond to the survey. It is hard to get people to respond...There’s just the general complexity ... that we can’t get a read on perfectly.” — Kartik Athreya, [17:31]

• Mary: “So you would say to everybody out there, tell your friends to answer the calls.” Kartik: “Yeah. If one of us asks you, please be in the survey, say yes.” [18:13–18:18]

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5. The Final Exam: Trivia for Valedictorian

[20:24–28:05]

• Two audience members, Atticus Carnell and Yael Zhang, compete in political economy trivia.
• Questions touch on:
  • Argentina’s phone industry policy (industrial policy failure),
  • Regulatory capture in the FAA-Boeing case,
  • Pigovian taxes and their inventor,
  • Taxes’ effect on behavior (Ugandan social media tax),
  • Economics Nobel themes (inclusive vs. extractive institutions),
  • The invention era of Steak-umm meats (!).

Notable moment:

"This is like a perfect experiment. One person listens to Planet Money, the other doesn't, and they're currently tied." — Robert Smith, [25:58]

• Yael ultimately wins the contest with a correct answer about the decade of Steak-umm’s invention (1960s), making him the 2025 valedictorian.

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6. The Valedictorian Address — Heart, Humor, and Rhymes

[29:22–32:00]

• Under pressure, Yael writes and performs a cheeky, rhyming speech (with raucous debate about acceptable language).

  "But one thing I have learned in the long walk to this stage at the Bell House is there are people out there and in this room fighting for truth and accuracy. And it’s more important than ever to stand up for what you know to be right and statistically correct." — Yael Zhang, Valedictorian speech [30:45] "So don’t buy puts, don’t YOLO into any calls — because Robert Smith and Jay Powell has your back." — Yael Zhang, [31:52]

• The crowd cheers. Robert officially "declares you all graduates in the field of political economy," inviting listeners to imagine their names called and hats thrown.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Trust and Data:

  "Trust takes a long time to build up, and it can be ruined in an instant." — Mary Childs [13:58]

• On the ‘invisible’ work of data collectors:

  “These people are sticklers for the facts.” — Robert Smith [10:29]

• Cheeky Adam Smith cameo:

  "Tis I, Adam Smith, arisen from the grave to give the invisible middle finger to the idea that I was a radical free market zealot." — Robert Smith as "Adam Smith's ghost" [03:21]

• Audience Quiz Humor:

  "Department of Commerce." — Yael Zhang nails the agency quiz [04:49]

• Valedictorian advice:

  "It’s more important than ever to stand up for what you know to be right and statistically correct." — Yael Zhang [30:45]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:23] Opening of the live graduation event
• [03:15] Big questions about government’s role in the economy
• [04:13] Government agency acronym quiz
• [07:14] Honorary degree awarded to data professionals
• [09:02] Real-life stories of economic data collection
• [14:23] Tribute and call to action: support statistical integrity
• [15:43] Dr. Kartik Athreya on the Fed’s data challenges
• [20:24] The final trivia competition begins
• [29:22] Valedictorian speech prep and performance
• [32:33] Robert’s "commencement send-off" — all graduates congratulated

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Tone & Style

• Breezy, irreverent, and full of warmth—balancing real concern for economic institutions with playful audience engagement.
• Blends humor ("Best graduation ever!") with call-to-action urgency about defending the reliability of economic data.
• Interactive and inclusive: listeners invited to take an online quiz and receive a “diploma”.

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Takeaways

• Economics, and especially government data, is everywhere—even if most of us rarely notice the thousands quietly collecting it.
• Institutions that safeguard data integrity are precious and fragile.
• Answer those surveys when they call!
• You, dear listener, are now an honorary graduate in political economy—hat and all.

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For bonus fun: Take the online quiz for your (fake but official) diploma, linked in the show notes or at npr.org/money.

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“Don’t buy puts, don’t YOLO into any calls — because Robert Smith and Jay Powell has your back.”
— Yael Zhang, 2025 Valedictorian [31:52]

Transcript

[Mary Childs]

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[Robert Smith]

Quick note before the summer school finale, as you likely saw, President Trump says he is firing Lisa Cook, a Biden appointee to the Federal Reserve Board. This is Big, our short daily show. The indicator already has an episode out about it. We'll have a longer one here soon, so please watch our feed. Here at Planet Money. We've covered why Federal Reserve independence is so important for the economy, the Fed's origin stories, when Nixon tried to pressure the Fed that Time Turkey fired its central bankers. We even have an episode about Lisa Cook's work long before she was nominated to the Fed. We put all those shows into a playlist for you. If you're in the mood to dive deeper, to binge, to share with everyone you know, check the show notes for a link. We'll also post it to our socials. Okay, now for summer school. It's time to graduate. This is Planet MONEY from npr.

Graduates, faculty, parents, maybe there's parents here, longtime listeners, a bit confused by the whole fake graduation theme. Welcome to Planet Money Summer School. I'm Robert Smith, and this is our live commencement ceremony at the Bell House in Brooklyn. I stand before you today in a dean's robe, green like the Planet Money podcast logo. It was ordered from China. And like everything else about summer school, it is not recognized by any academic or government institution. Yes, but what it does symbolize is that we have completed a summer's worth of episodes in political economy. And in these days of short attention spans, that unfortunately earns you a degree. Today, on our final episode, we will test your knowledge. We will salute the unsung heroes of government service. We will have special guests, and we will pick our valedictorian from among you of the Class of 2025. Through a cutthroat competition and quiz, 300 people enter the Bell House, but only one will give an inspirational address to the class that will clock in under one minute. Best graduation ever. Hey, everyone, it's Robert in the studio here, interrupting myself to speak just to you students listening at home. Our graduation ceremony lasted about two hours. That's not bad for a college commencement, but it's still a little too long for the podcast. So today, to help you celebrate your awesome graduation, we're going to play just the very best segments of the evening. We'll fast forward through the opening acts. But to give you a little feel for it, we had Planet Money TikTok guy Jack Corbett introduce himself and why we are all here.

[Darian Woods]

We need to answer to tonight's big question.

[Mary Childs]

What should the government do in the economy?

[Robert Smith]

What a big question.

[Darian Woods]

Should the government intervene to take on inequality?

[Robert Smith]

Should the government own the land and the tools and the factories? On behalf of all of us, applaud if you agree. Officers, please arrest those communists. We also did the traditional invocation at the beginning of the ceremony. We called upon the spirit of Adam Smith and his ghost responded, yes, Planet Money, tis I, Adam Smith, arisen from the grave to give the invisible middle finger to the idea that I was a radical free market zealot. And we had a little audience quiz to show off how much you all have learned about political economy this season. We gave audience members the abbreviation of a government agency and they would usually nail it.

[Darian Woods]

We begin. Ssa.

[Robert Smith]

Social Security Administration.

[Kartik Athreya]

Correct.

[Darian Woods]

Go to the back of the line.

[Robert Smith]

But as the government agencies got more obscure, only a few audience members were left standing.

[Darian Woods]

Next agency. Doc.

[Robert Smith]

Doctor.

[Darian Woods]

Good guess, but incorrect. Next person.

[Mary Childs]

I got nothing. Yeah, Census?

[Robert Smith]

I don't know.

Oh, good guess, but no. I'm sorry. Return to your seat.

[Yael Zhang]

It's the Department of Commerce.

[Robert Smith]

Yes, it is. We had two of your fellow students who aced the quiz and they will compete later in the show to be our valedictorian for the class. So let's get on with your personalized best of version of your graduation ceremony. And at the end we'll have instructions on how to get sent your very own and very fake diploma From Summer School 2025 Commencement picks up again after the break.

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[Robert Smith]

welcome back to Planet Money summer school graduation live at the Fell House in Brooklyn. Please welcome to the stage host of Planet Money's the Indicator podcast, Darian Woods.

[Darian Woods]

Glad to be here.

[Robert Smith]

Every graduation ceremony needs to present an honorary degree, a recognition to the students that you really didn't need to pay tuition or study at all. You just needed to go out and do something cool in the world and then wait for the dean to call. Our honorary degree this year goes to someone from a part of the government. We were actually going to do a whole summer school episode about government statistics. We thought it would be funny, right? Garyan to do a whole show on government statistics because it's obscure and no one ever talks about it and it definitely never makes the news.

[Darian Woods]

Yeah, until it did, it was everywhere. As the top headline, the president fired the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Dr. Erica McEntoffer. So the President was unhappy with the most recent set of jobs numbers. Not only was the number of jobs created in July relatively low, the report revised the jobs numbers for May and June even lower. The president didn't like that and decided that the number and the department needed fixing. The firing was, of course, an intensely political act. And maybe that's what was so shocking to us here at Planet Money. You know, over the years, we've talked to the researchers, we've followed statisticians who produce all the numbers that we use every week. The unemployment rate, the inflation rate, the gross domestic product, gdp.

[Robert Smith]

We've covered this stuff for years. Whenever the jobs numbers come out, the indicator plays an air horn. When my daughters were little, they would ask, is today jobs day? And I'd be like, no, it's the first Friday of the month. Why we keep going over and over this.

[Darian Woods]

I mean, we regularly interviewed people like Erica Groschen, the former head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And she warned us a long time ago about this moment.

[Robert Smith]

If people don't trust the data, then

[Mary Childs]

you might as well not produce it.

[Darian Woods]

But when we hear the data, we think about the real people, the hard working data collectors who dedicate their lives to assembling These data points, and they go to extreme lengths to get it.

[Robert Smith]

In 2015, Planet Money producer Kaitlin Kenney rode around Brooklyn with one of the employees of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, George Mincinello. George goes to the same set of stores every month for years, month after month, to check the prices to look for inflation and not just in general. He has a very specific list.

[Announcer]

A bag of romaine hearts, lettuce, which

[Robert Smith]

is usually over here. Now we're gonna get the price. Hi, could you scan that for me?

[Announcer]

I just want to know the price.

[Robert Smith]

299. 299. Thank you. So 299 is the same price. Oh, wait, we have a change here. It's the same price. However, the weight is different. So effectively, that's a price decrease for these packaged romaine heads.

[Mary Childs]

So we're seeing deflation right here.

[Yael Zhang]

We're seeing a reduction in the price. Yes.

[Robert Smith]

This is all for one data point. 1. They do this thousands and thousands of times each month. In fact, his next stop was to check the price for a size 15 boys cotton shirt. These people are sticklers for the facts.

[Darian Woods]

And it's the same for the jobs numbers dismissed by President Trump as, quote, phony. Those jobs numbers are the result of thousands of surveys to businesses across the country. And in 2022, Waylon Wong and I did a report on the indicator about how the jobs numbers are actually put together. And we got to eavesdrop as data collector Erica Henyon was calling companies.

[H]

It's erica with the U.S. department of Labor. How are you doing today? Doing good. I think I know your voice by now when you call. I know it's been a while for us.

[Robert Smith]

The person on the end of the phone line recognizes Erica because the same business will get a call each month for anywhere between two to four years.

[Darian Woods]

And Erica, by the way, told me that her mother was a hairdresser, so she's good at talking to strangers to give out information.

[H]

And so for that pay period, that included May 12, then how many total employees worked or receive pay? 80. 80 went up. Another person.

[Yael Zhang]

Yay.

[H]

We'll take it. It doesn't happen very often lately.

[Darian Woods]

Now, this whole data collection process is a human endeavor. And like everybody says these days, their jobs are getting harder.

[Robert Smith]

The Bureau of Labor Statistics is working with a smaller budget than in the past. When you take into account inflation, the BLS's budget is 10% smaller than it was in 2009. These cuts have been happening for years. So those lettuce numbers, the BLS is no Longer sending out people to price romaine in Provo, Utah. They cut people pricing arugula in Lincoln, Nebraska, and in Buffalo, New York. We don't really know if endive is getting more expensive. Probably. Probably a little bit. The data is still solid, everyone tells us, but the cutbacks are starting to stretch them thin.

[Darian Woods]

And after the pandemic, the data collectors started to notice that fewer people were answering surveys and talking to the data collectors. I asked Erica, the woman who was calling about the jobs numbers, how her job is these days.

[H]

It has gotten harder. It has gotten harder over the years, especially after the pandemic. There has been some pushback from different respondents that don't want to report the data because of the political economy the way it is and everything like that. There has been some pushback. There is some distrust there. And I've actually had a few people that have yelled at me and screamed at me, and then they called me back and apologized because they realized that they took it out on the wrong person. I'm their outlet. I am the person that they can physically talk to about the government.

[Robert Smith]

Now, since the firing, we at Planet Money have talked to just about every living person who once ran the Bureau of Labor Statistics. If you've listened over the last couple weeks, we talk regularly with the folks at the Census and the Commerce Department and the Federal Reserve, and they all tell us the numbers have not yet been contaminated by politics. The process they use is transparent. It's been done roughly the same way for decades. The economists in these agencies say it would be very hard to fake the data or spin the numbers. There are laws in place and there are norms.

[Darian Woods]

But as the former head of the BLS told us on the indicator, those norms are vulnerable.

[Mary Childs]

They can be undermined.

[Robert Smith]

It's like what parents tell their kids.

[Mary Childs]

Trust takes a long time to build up, and it can be ruined in an instant.

[Robert Smith]

So not to get cheesy. I mean, come on, it's graduation. This is the perfect time to get cheesy. We all have to do our part. We should answer the surveys, support the data professionals, keep the trust that has been built for 100 years. We hereby declare an honorary summer school degree.

[Darian Woods]

So we're going to give out an honorary degree to the thousands of people in more than a dozen federal agencies who work with data collection across the government. The trust may be precarious, but the numbers don't lie.

[Robert Smith]

To present this award, I want to bring on the host at Planet Money who spends the most time talking numbers with economists. Mary Childs.

[Mary Childs]

Thank you. This is so exciting. I'm honored to be able to present this degree. The honorary degree will be presented to literally thousands of people, but I had to find someone, a person to accept it. A representative sample of n equals 1. So here to accept is the Director of Research and the head of the Research and Statistics Group at the New York Federal Reserve, Kartik.

[Robert Smith]

Athletes.

[Mary Childs]

Okay, Kartik, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

[Kartik Athreya]

Thank you so much for having me. This is so cool. And this is going to get less entertaining than.

[Mary Childs]

No, no, no, no. No sandbagging here. So you are in charge of getting good data to policymakers at the Fed. You don't make policy. You just help them try to understand what even is going on in the economy, correct?

[Kartik Athreya]

Exactly.

[Mary Childs]

Y' all are always looking at your screens and your numbers, but you do also get out into the world. You go out into your region once a week. Why? What are you looking for? And what are those meetings like?

[Kartik Athreya]

So the core question is always kind of the same, which is, what is signal and what is noise? A bunch of stuff comes in. You don't know what's likely to stick and what's likely not to. In my role as a research director, I work with a team of economists, analysts, and statisticians who advise the New York Fed president in my case, to say, look, we think this is the part of what's unfolding right now that is actually somewhat durable that you should pay attention to. One of the things that happens with data collection, no matter how good it is, is that it takes time to come in. And we often need help in understanding what's happening now, when in fact, hard data may reveal that only a while from now. So who knows? People making decisions. And I'm going to make a quick plug for Planet Money. It is exceptional in translating decision making at the individual level back into the economic issues. I think it's what it does particularly well, and it's why I like it.

[Mary Childs]

We didn't even ask for that. That was unprompted. Well, then that makes me feel bad about the framing of this next question.

[Kartik Athreya]

I just won't answer.

[Mary Childs]

I wasn't ready for this emotionally. You spend a lot of time working on all your numbers, so why aren't they perfect?

[Kartik Athreya]

I can do no better than Planet Money just did in telling us all the hurdles that lie between us. And a perfect read of the economy at any point in time. This is a huge economy. There's a ton of stuff going on. Endives in Buffalo. Let us elsewhere, knowing what's happening in real time is actually very complicated simply by the scale of the economy that we operate with. So I think in that sense, that's already an impediment. The other thing actually was brought up response rates. We at the New York Fed conduct surveys. One of the things that we try to do is keep track of household expectations for the economy. People don't always respond to the survey. It is hard to get people to respond. And I think also there's just the general complexity of actually the economy underlying that we can't get a read on perfectly.

[Mary Childs]

So you would say to everybody out there, tell your friends to answer the calls.

[Kartik Athreya]

Yeah. If one of us asks you, please be in the survey, say yes.

[Mary Childs]

This is a recruitment event. We didn't mean for that either. Well, Kartik, thank you much, so, so much for joining us. And on behalf of Planet Money, I would like to present you and all government statisticians with this honorary degree.

[Robert Smith]

All right, we still need to pick our valedictorian for the class of 2025. It's to going to get intense after the break.

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[Robert Smith]

Class, we have done it. We have worked long and hard this semester studying vocabulary, even doing some extracurricular reading. And now, now we are at the final exam. For tonight's final exam, I will be bringing up the host of Planet Money to help Proctor. Please welcome back to the stage, Darian Woods, Mary Childs and Alexi Horowitz Ghaz. Our two final contestants vying for the title of Planet Money Summer School Valedictorian 2025, Yael Zhang and Atticus Carnell. Atticus, where are you from, you big Planet Money listener? No. Love it. Love it. Brutal. You're about to figure out what happens when you haven't listened to Planet Money. I know. And you're given an economics trivia test. That's okay. That's okay. Yale, where are you from and are you a big listener?

[Yael Zhang]

I mean, I live in New York, and I haven't listened to episode seven because I'm not a Planet Money plus subscriber. So this should be an incentive to do so, if you think about it.

[Robert Smith]

Yes. Yes, it will. Our final exam will be a round of political economy trivia. Each question will be multiple choice with only one correct answer. The contestant with the most correct answers at the end of the game will be, unfortunately, our valedictorian. Sorry about that. Second prize is. You don't have to be valedictorian. This title will earn you absolutely nothing tangible, which means it will be weightless as you carry it forever in your heart. Everyone ready? Okay. All right. Our first question for Atticus is from Mary Childs.

[Mary Childs]

Hey, Atticus.

[Robert Smith]

Hi.

[Mary Childs]

Argentina utilized industrial policy to try to grow a whole new sector of its economy. They did this by trying to build a specific product entirely within the borders of Argentina. What was the product? A Learjets, b BlackBerry cell phones, c Cheez its A. I guess you should have listened to Planet Money. The answer is B. Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner fulfilled a case campaign, promised to build cell phones entirely in Argentina. And while it did work, it ultimately resulted in Argentinians having access to blackberries that were full years behind the rest of the world's blackberries.

[Robert Smith]

Yale, it's coming to you from Alexi. Yale. Dear Yale. The Federal Aviation Administration, the faa, for those who were playing earlier, was heavily criticized after two deadly crashes involving the Boeing 737 Max. Investigations revealed that the FAA delegated significant portions of the aircraft's safety certification to Boeing engineers themselves. This trend of industry exerting significant influence over its own oversight is known in economics as what? A tragedy of the commons, B the fox in the henhouse conundrum, or C regulatory capture?

[Yael Zhang]

C. Regulatory capture nailed.

[Robert Smith]

Is not over for you, Atticus. Next question to you from Darian.

[Darian Woods]

This season of summer school, we learned about a tax meant to give companies an incentive to pollute less. That type of tax is called a Pigouvian tax, named after the economist who first proposed it. What was Pigou's full name. We've got A, Bertram Manfield Pigou. B, Arthur Cecil Pigou. Or C, Vincent Caswell Pegou. B. Arthur Cecil Pigou is correct. The creator of the Pigouvian tax. Also just a very handsome man. Look at that stare.

[Robert Smith]

I'd pay any tax to that man. Yale. Next question comes from Mary Childs.

[Mary Childs]

Taxes don't just raise revenue. They are. They also influence behavior. If something costs more, people tend to buy less of it. Which of the following taxes was actually implemented? A Canadian tax on maple syrup to limit domestic consumption, leaving more product for exports. B. An Italian tax on Segway usage to decrease groups of tourists rolling awkwardly along the canals of Venice. C. A Ugandan tax on social media meant to limit the time people spent on things like Twitter. I'm gonna guess A. I'm sorry, that answer was incorrect. The correct answer was C. In 2018, Uganda taxed people's social media usage to try to quell protests. This led to an estimated 13% decrease in Twitter users from the country. But an increase in protest participation.

[Robert Smith]

This is like a perfect experiment. One person listens to Planet Money, the other doesn't, and they're currently tied. Atticus, we have one last question for you from mary.

[Mary Childs]

Atticus. In 2024, the Nobel Prize in Economics focused on the role of inclusive institutions and their opposite. What is the opposite? A, an extractive institution. B, an exclusive institution. C, a defensive institution.

[Robert Smith]

I feel like this is a trick.

[Mary Childs]

It's not. You can do it. B, okay, you did not do it. I am so sorry. That is not it. The correct answer is a extractive institution. These are institutions that are unequal and unfair. Arguably, you would say, like the question.

[Robert Smith]

This is your chance, Yale. It's all coming down to this question.

[Darian Woods]

Darian Eugene Gagliardi is the inventor of steakums. That is a type of thinly sliced frozen meat you can use to make Philly cheesesteaks at home. Now, it said he awoke at 3am one morning with the idea, ran off to his meat processing plant to see if he could pull it off. In which decade did Gagliardi invent the method for producing steak ums? Is it A, 1940s, B, 1960s or C, 1980s?

[Yael Zhang]

All right, I'm gonna stake my future. On B. 1960s.

[Darian Woods]

That is correct.

[Robert Smith]

Thank you very much, Atticus. We give you a lifetime supply of Planet Money episodes so you can catch up on them. We'll have you here next year. And our valedictorian of the class of 2025. It all passes so quickly. Is Yale Zhang, The pressure is on. We are going to give Yale, I don't know, 30 seconds to come up with his speech. And we will hear that speech after this break.

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[Robert Smith]

Welcome back to Planet Money summer school graduation. We have given Yale Zhang mere minutes. Minutes to carefully craft a valedictory address that will be heard by millions on the podcast. No pressure. No one remembers graduation speeches. You know that. But maybe we'll remember this one. All right, are you ready?

[Yael Zhang]

Are we allowed to use adult language in the speech?

[Robert Smith]

No.

[Mary Childs]

How adult depends on the context. I think the fcc.

[Robert Smith]

Can you clean it up a little bit? Okay. For those of you who can't see it, there is a little bit of chaos on stage at this point. Our producer, Eric Mennell is walking over to Yale to see how dirty exactly the valedictorian speech really is.

[Mary Childs]

Is it good?

[Robert Smith]

I'm a little stumped. Hold on. The crowd is urging us on, And then I'm brought over as host just to give it a look. It's pretty tame anatomical humor. And it's a rhyming poem, so it makes an edit a bit tricky. We decide he can read the whole thing except for the last word. The NPR standards department will be very happy. Okay.

[Yael Zhang]

I mean, you've already been defunded. You can't go. I'm gonna subscribe to Planet Money Plus, I promise. The floor is yours, fellow graduates. I remember when I was just like you a mere 10 minutes ago, and I felt anxiety. No, pure panic about the future. But one thing I have learned in the long walk to this stage at the Bell House is there are people out there and in this room fighting for truth and accuracy. And it's more important than ever to stand up for what you know to be right and statistically correct. Now that I'm the champion of a political economy trivia and you're valedictorian, I leave you with this one piece of advice. From animal spirits to a squirrel named Peanut, Planet Money has seen it all. So don't buy puts, don't YOLO into any calls because Robert Smith and Jay Powell has you buy.

[Robert Smith]

The. Ladies and gentlemen yellzan thank you so much. This would be the spot in the show where I would read all your names and have you walk across the stage. You should just imagine that at this point, your name, the long walk, the handshake, you're done. Yay.

[Announcer]

Yay.

[Robert Smith]

Yay. As the fake dean of a fake podcast university, it is my honor to declare you all graduates in the field of political economy. You may throw your cheap hats with. We order ANTIMU into the air. For those of you listening at home, we have one more step to do before we can send you your diploma. It is a short online quiz. You can find it linked in the show notes or on npr.org money and we will send you the finest fake digital diploma money can buy. Thank you to our producers tonight, Eric Mennell and Cooper Katz McKim. Keeping it clean. To our production manager, Devin Meller and our editor on this show. Yes, it was edited Alex Goldmark. Once again, Planet Money hosts Mary Childs, Alexi Horowitz Ghazi and Darion Woods. For those listening to the podcast version, thanks to engineer Sina Lofredo and fact checker Emily Crawford. And thank you to everyone here at the Bell House. I'm Robert Smith. This is npr. Thanks for listening. Foreign.

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