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- [00:07]
A
Is it coach kill me today, Brian? I mean, you gotta wear a lot of hats. How many shows do you do?
- [00:13]
B
Well, I'm doing the five today.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Like, on a given day, what's. What's the average day? People want to know, man, because you are a worker. There is no. There's. You work for your living. No one could ever say that you didn't roll your sleeves up and go to work.
- [00:26]
B
Yeah. Once the gym opens, you stay.
- [00:28]
A
Yeah. Yeah. You're the last. First one in, last one to go. Literally. Yeah.
- [00:31]
B
I mean, if they need. I mean, for the longest time when you were at Fox, I started in 97. You do your show and you go home. Right. Literally. They didn't really want you doing other stuff. And then I think it was Bill O'Reilly first started saying to Arthel Neville, come judge my show. And she would come and she would be brutal to him. And it was kind of fun, actually. And then you go, okay. And then he said, let's do a game show. And he would have Martha and Doocy and Gutfeld on. And all of a sudden, other people said, you know, I'll grab some of the Fox people and put them on. Megyn Kelly was the first one to say, brian, do you mind staying? Because I just. I'm gonna give you four or five stories, and we'll just talk about it. And now everybody's doing it, and that's part of the magic and the second floor.
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A
So you invented the panel.
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B
I think O'Reilly did, yeah. But I know the Fox panel.
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A
How about Fox panel?
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B
But, like, the use of, like, the fact that I see Tyrus on multiple shows, I think it helps Fox when you think so, because every once in a while, you don't go, well, I don't see the morning show. What are you on? They go, no, I see everywhere. You know, and that's everybody. Look at Emily. Emily's on everything. Cookie Kennedy. You see them everywhere. You know, you see Jesse on two hit shows. But Martha today, I think Martha on Tuesday, on Wednesdays, does five shows. And I think it gives the viewers a sense of personality, you know, because on our channel, you get personality.
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A
Whenever I do America's Newsroom, you know, they'll be, oh, what a surprise. You know, they're excited to see me or the few times I've done.
- [01:54]
B
Because sometimes people don't stay up at 10.
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A
No, they don't. No. And. Or then they'll remind me of whatever side remark Gutfeld made about you the night before.
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B
Right.
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A
Or whatnot.
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B
But without you there. That's usually not a healthy thing to do.
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A
No. When I'm not there to diffuse it but. Well, it doesn't work anymore. I meant to tell you that. So he said something about oh yeah. And we found out his best friend was kill me. And the crowd was like, oh man, that's just mean.
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B
You say the crowd is going to my.
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A
I was like, yeah, no we're not. I was like, I told you you made a hero out of K. He's a martyr now. You can't mess with kill me. But you've always been. And I know, I saw you deflected and you talked about everyone else doing every other shows. I picked up on that. But you, I don't think anyone does more shows than you. I. From your time here. I mean you're Fox and Friends. Rain, sleet or snow, you're there. You've got your show on the weekends and then you are the official expert news man for every show.
- [02:56]
B
But the radio show, would you do your kind of.
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A
Yeah, the radio show. Hey, I love the radio show. It's one of my. Yeah, you fill in. Yeah, I fill in. Like I, I was always told I was had a face for radio but yeah, you wear a lot of hats, man is there. How do you survive the burnout? What's the, what's your fuel, man? What keeps you going?
- [03:15]
B
Well, number one is it's I'm very one dimensional. I started as a sports guy and I always, I never liked the final score. I always thought that was supplemental to the story. I always liked the people at the underdog story. How does a superstar stay up there when they bounce off a team like Montana goes to Kansas City. I love that stuff. 36 years old, can he come back and beat the 49ers? And that's the stuff I always liked. I always liked the people and the magazine portion of it. To me, I don't know if I'm older than you, so greatest sports legends Reggie Jackson and Jane Kennedy. I always love Wide World of Sports. The long form magazine shows over the World Series. So that's the part of sports I liked. And I got hired as a sports guy who always wanted to do News. And after 9 11, if I stayed with sports I probably would have had to get another job. And they're kind enough to say, listen, we're going to let you guys talk about this. We're not going to have you read, we're going to have you talk about it. Brian, we want you to do sports. We'll Ease you into it. And next thing you know, it's full blast. And the only sports I do now is usually the super bowl series. Yeah. So I got a chance to do it. See, my thing is, now that everyone talks, politics, everybody, wherever you go, this is what I like to do. And I realized, too, even when I go on vacation, I used to feel bad, shut it down, stop doing things. And after a couple days, I go, why? I like it.
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A
Right? Yeah.
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B
So I want to keep up. And I just say, guys, gone for two hours. I sit there and I'll read, catch up. Then I come back to the family, do things. Because I'm not looking for the next job. I'm like, this is the job. This is when we got the job. Maybe this wasn't major leagues, but this became the major league while we had the job. So in the beginning, they're like, hey, go start on cable. If you can get to cable, then maybe you can get to a network. You can keep your network. Do you see what they're doing? They're not doing. They're in and out. Four minutes. Don't you look great? Isn't that great? Let's go to a reporter. I can't believe it's raining. The weather guy gets blamed for it. Then it's a morning show with us. We get a slice of life. Cut it out. You know, Trump's talking about this, the Epstein files here. This is what's going on. They're looking for. They're telling the. Basically, now they're telling our military to defect. That's the latest thing. This is substantive stuff.
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A
You get to do play by play, as a world as it's happening.
- [05:35]
B
Perfect. Perfect way to say it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You tell the story, and then you could provide color with time.
- [05:40]
A
Right. Because, you know, you still have a newsman's integrity. Very rarely do you speak on your personal stuff, but if you do, you always let us know. Personally, I feel.
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B
Yeah, I try to. My point. Yeah.
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A
Yeah, you always. But you always let them know. This is my point of view. You think that's lost art? You know, used to be a guy, we call it big editorial, you know, but, like, do you think there's. Because Fox and Friends. You do. You are providing news, and then if you do feel passionately about something, telling them where it's coming from, that's that. I think that element makes you different than a lot of people where you don't know the difference between.
- [06:21]
B
Well, let me ask you, does it bother you at all? Like, you listen to these podcasts and they come out like authority. That's what they view. And some like a comedian who's very smart will say, this is what's happening. This is what's happening. This is what's happening. Well, that's what you think.
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A
Yeah, exactly.
- [06:34]
B
Right. So to me, there's so much to tell. You take a story before you even give your opinion. You just have to assume you're telling these people the story for the first time. So what's the story that you're going to look at today? I guess we could talk about the President and the MBS at the Investment Council at the Kennedy Center. Right. First off, I got to tell you what happened? Where did it happen? What happened yesterday, what happened today? This is what he hoped to do. This is who attended. So far, no opinion.
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A
Right.
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B
And then I'll just come back and I go, overall, do you believe this is happening? Do you believe that a few years ago, 20 years ago, we're like, how do you ever stop the militant aspect of Saudi Arabia? How do we stop the next 9, 11 attack? And now we're talking about economic cooperation between the greatest opens in middle. In the Middle East. So not many people like Trump could be the most popular in the Middle east and the most popular in Israel. 87% approval in Israel, I would imagine it's almost the same in Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, everywhere except Iran, which probably the people do rate them high.
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A
Yeah, they probably do.
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B
We've never seen anything like that. My opinion. My opinion, what I just said. But the beginning was fact.
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A
Yeah, you lay it out and then you. But you. But I get your messaging. It's strong messaging.
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B
Yeah.
- [07:48]
A
I think that's what's made you a staple for so many years. It's, it's consistency. Like, there's. You never, you never hear, so, oh, kill me's a hothead, or he's gonna go off on some tangent. It's like, right. You just, you hear, oh, yeah, that's probably kill me. You know, like, is that a point of pride to where you are? They look at you.
- [08:04]
B
Yeah, I, yeah, professional.
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A
I guess that's the way I describe. You're always a professional.
- [08:09]
B
Oh, thanks, man. And that's. That's really nice. I think that I always just say this is that I'm always prepared and you might not like what I have to say, but you can't say I'm winging it.
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A
Right. Exactly.
- [08:21]
B
Every once in a while, they give me a talking point. I go, where did that come from? I just looked at the five Talking points. I got them all, except for Pete Hegseth's response to what we just told. So, okay, that's new. Get it, understand it. And then if I feel like I studied, then I can just relax and see what comes into my head. You do that with Gutfeld. I sense that. That you're not sure where you want to go until Gutfeld does a monologue. You're going, boom, boom, boom. You're listening and you go, okay, how do I help the show? What if someone else didn't say? But if you didn't do the background on that story, you're trusting yourself. You're going to come up with something. And that's what I do. I just try to prepare. It's almost like you go to practice in soccer, you do your drills and you go out. I don't know what this other team's going to bring, but I couldn't have trained any harder during the week.
- [09:04]
A
You'll be prepared. It's not going to be because you're not prepared. And you made a sports reference there. Tremendous soccer player, average at best, but cared a lot. Okay, all right.
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B
Average Division 2 player.
- [09:16]
A
Okay. But you have a soccer team now as well, and you've been a coach. Like, don't. Like, has sports always been a part of your life?
- [09:28]
B
Really has. I mean, I don't know. I think that most sports fans will tell you that. Like, I remember being 4 and 5, like, watching the Giants and just like, caring so much how they did and having everyone ask them to quiet down while I watched. I don't know where that came from. And I think most sports fans and the guys on and the women on sports radio, like, listen to Sage Steele. No one told her she doesn't have to catch up.
- [09:51]
A
No.
- [09:52]
B
Sports was part of her life. So when you do it early. So then I became very aware is they play, I watch. And I didn't like that. So I just said, I want to be. Try to be really good at one sport. And I just chose a sport, soccer, that nobody was playing. 70s nobody was playing. But I had this town that was full of former great players from Italy and Ireland and Germany. And they came in and next thing you know, our town is winning state championships. The first and second team playing in the finals. We used to have tryouts. People used to come around just to watch our tryouts. So, like, I remember right away, at 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 years old, you're on the A team one year. Next year you're on the C team. Don't Complain. That's it. But your C team would be playing in a high division, so I just always thought it mattered. That Cosmos, you know the Cosmos, Yeah. So the Cosmos, the Pele and Beckenbauer and Canalia. While the coach of the Cosmos was in Massapequa, so I was playing with the Suns. So I go to Randalls island, and Pele is playing at Randalls island in New York. The best player in the world. It's like taking LeBron and putting him in a bad gym in Italy. So that's LeBron James. Do you know who he is? So Pele, at 33, I got a chance to watch and go to giants Stadium with 76,000. So I was like, living and dying with the sport. But then when I go to cover it, I was very aware that they were playing and I was watching. Then I go, what's the next best thing? Covering them and coming up with a perspective. And then I thought, that's pretty cool. But I'm very aware that that's their dream. You go to the super bowl, cover it. I go, this is your moment, right? So I think that being an athlete at any level, if you care, if you really care, you pour everything to the sport. You train for the sport. I really believe you learn a lot and you have much more appreciation. You're the last one this yell out you suck at, right?
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A
Because you know what? It's just to get there.
- [11:42]
B
Are you kidding? I know I could. Like, I watched soccer games. This guy's terrible. Getting the ball off. I'm like, really? He was probably the best player in his entire town.
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A
There's four guys sitting on the bench right now with little vests on because of him.
- [11:54]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a good point. So that was it. So I thought sports my best way in and then to understand it thoroughly. And the one thing I could do is I thoroughly understand soccer and tactics. So I went. Even though when my kids started playing, I just said, I don't know how to you or teacher. But when my kids started playing, I go, how do I pass the ball? I don't know. I just hit with the insight. Well, how do I do it? So I went to these classes and got my licenses. And how do you teach a five year old to play and keep it fun? Throw the net over your head, you make believe you're a monster. You grab the cones and you say you're gonna capture that ball unless you put your foot on top of it and pull it back, Right? So you learn all those techniques and I go, this is pretty into it. So I make it fun, make sure the kids don't quit and have a good time. And then you watch the kids mature. And then I ended up sticking with the same 15, 17 kids from there were time they were 10 to 17 playing, you know, almost all year round. And we got three of them. You know, we got a bunch of them here and they're all doing well and they all keep in touch. And I got a bunch of them.
- [12:56]
A
Hold on. A bunch of them here. What does that mean? Is rogue soccer players running the hallway? I thought they sprayed.
- [13:01]
B
No, I got Neil. I mean now they're 27 years old.
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A
These are grown men working here in the building.
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B
I should say that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They're all, they're all in the real life. Anthony Rocky was one of Jesse Waters key guys we have. Neil is a feminine is up there in accounting. So I got, I've had so many kids come here and just intern.
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A
What are you?
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B
The portal?
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A
Jump in the soccer portal and.
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B
Right.
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A
But they know that I could years and then, and then you get a deal with Fox.
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B
Did you ever play soccer?
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A
Briefly. Just because you were.
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B
You got so big so quick.
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A
We had a coach. When one of the nice things about LA growing up is there is that we had a PE coach. Coach Schneider, I'll never forget him. Outdoorsman. I. He just. You had to do something with him. So when you had soccer, whatever sport you had for the six week program, you're doing it all. You're going all in and out like.
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B
You'Re showing how to do it.
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A
Yeah. And no one was allowed to play goalie consistently because you got to run to play soccer. So he was, he was no dummy. You couldn't fool him with the soccer. But we had a league. A buddy of mine, Daryl Walker, Baltimore Orioles fan, I don't know where that came from, but he played on the soccer team. So after football practice I'd always go see my buddy play soccer. So.
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B
Because the football guys had no patience for soccer.
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A
No. Well, just when I was, when I was in high school.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But my buddy was pretty good at it. And. But the, the league was like their games, they weren't set up for success. Their games were like on Tuesdays, that's the worst day, school day to have a game, you know, because the soccer game was like on Tuesdays football owns Friday. Because football owns Friday. And, and so they, they would have to play on Tuesday nights. And like nobody was like, even like no one was going to those games. So I made A point where I'd always go to my buddy's game. I mean, I never had a hard time finding a seat.
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B
Right. I remember. What do you think of the World cup coming here? I mean, I think it's going to be a huge deal. I think it is.
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A
No, no, no. I, I. My daughter played Georgie. She's doing horses now, but she played soccer, and she was pretty good at it and pretty involved. And I started watching. Well, I do the World cup with my weightlifting buddies every. Whenever it comes. We all bet. We all pick teams. I've been. I've been the bridesmaid twice. I had France and I had England, and they both let me down. But I was in. But I was in it, you know, in the. In our pool.
- [15:23]
B
Do you know Brian Baldinger? You know, he does a lot of commentary on the NFL Network. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he played in the league for 12 years. Played for the Cowboys and Colts and Eagles, and his brother Rich is also from Massapequa. Played for the Chiefs, drafted by the Giants, and Gary played for the Bills, and they were all, like, football guys, great guys, but they just like, why would anyone play soccer? And then Brian went to the World League, and in the World League, when they weren't doing the World League, they go watch soccer games. And he's about five years older than me, and he just said. He just called me up and goes, oh, my God. This is. When you watch in Europe, I get it. You know, like, you know how, like, when the ball's in the air in a football stadium and for a bomb and cliff branches on the other end of it or something, you're like, oh, my. That's. He goes. As they move the ball up the field, I'm seeing them build the play, and the crowd understands the game and hearing the chanting, he goes, I get it. So anybody who's not into it or doesn't understand it, go watch.
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A
You have to experience, like, someone's like, I don't want to like hockey.
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B
Not mls. Yeah, mls. Great. But it's a totally different feel.
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A
No, no, but, well, since you. You brought a totally different feel, and you brought up sports, and every time I get a chance with you, I'm gonna make you talk about him, the great Jim Brown. You. And soccer was your wheelhouse, I'm assuming ufc. I don't know if, you know a lot of bar fights or whatever. When you were in college, you're playing soccer, so I'm assuming that you were. You were, you know, following the rules, good kid. Not getting in trouble. But how does. How does Brian Kilmeade sit shotgun with Jim Brown? Both of you guys, a football guy, a soccer guy, talking about one thing, the ufc.
- [17:00]
B
He's the least judgmental person on the planet. Oh, and number one. So I move out to LA, and I don't have. I have $1,000 and a Celica, and a friend that I graduated with would let me stay in his house till I got an apartment. So I had a bunch of opportunities. I was doing standup at the time. And the catch, a rising star. Guys I knew in New York, they said, we'll set you up in Universal and let you do some sales. You could do, stand up there and do some sales. So I had somewhat of a job, and then I said, I'll wait her if I have to, but I want to just see if standup can work, do all sports radio and see if I can get a TV job. So I end up doing some stuff on national radio. And then the local station said, you. You know, we carry your show, but do you want to do something locally? I go, yeah. So they go, okay, you can fill in on the weekends. And then they just said, we got to diversify. Our. You know, they're getting pressured to diversify. It's all white guys. So I said, I read Jim Brown's book. It was in paperback. I had Larry Bird and Jim Brown's book when I moved out. So I read Jim Brown's book cover to cover, and I go, you know, Jim Brown lives in Hollywood Hills. They go, yeah, we can get a hold of him. I go, I think he'd want to do it. But I go, you should be prepared, reading this book. He doesn't care much, much about sports as he does about kids, society, what's wrong, right? And I go, we're fine with that. So they reached out to him, but they don't let me do the hosting with him. They pick somebody else to host with him. He says, yes, he names his number, they do it. So they let someone else host with him. Well, after that person I was there, I would come in after. So I come in after, watch him, and the kid's Jewish, and he's going back and forth. And Jim goes, what does it mean to be a Jew in America? What's the hardest thing about being Jewish? What about your family? Tell me about this. What are your ethics? After two weeks, he goes, I have no interest in doing the show with him. He's, like, flipping out. He doesn't want to talk about his religion, doesn't want to talk about this. So I said, I will do the show with him. And we. From that point on, from 94 until he passed away, we were really good friends. And he was so happy that I was doing well. And we hosted the show together for the next four years every Sunday. And then he would do other things the way we did UFC is I was doing standup, and the standup guys, Semaphore bought, they start, they hook up with the Gracies, and the Gracies say, we got this great idea. You're promoters. They show them what it's like in Brazil. They go, we'd like to do that, but we're gonna form an octagon. How do you do it? John Melius of Apocalypse now, they get him involved because they know the people in theater. John Melius loves the idea, designs the octagon, puts it on paper. So they go, when are you coming home? I go, Thanksgiving. They go, can you come by our office? I go, yes. They show me the video. I go, great, I'll watch. They go, but it's kind of boring. All they do is, like, jiu jitsu. They were just on their backs and goes on for hours. I go, yeah, we're do mixed martial arts. They tell me the premise. They go, would you do something on it? I go, yeah, but I'm not qualified. I'll do the ring reporting. Go, great. So they go, who should do color? I go, well, Jim Brown called the Zaire fight. He called major fights before. I'm sure he could figure it out. Sure enough, I get a call. No cell phones back. Then I put Jim on in this theater. They talk to him. He goes, brian, I won't talk to him. You tell him I need $20,000. So I go, he wants $20,000 in first class. Fight in first class flight. They go, he's in. So then Jim did the first six just like that. We got there a week early. We looked at the fighters, knew something about him. He would make his own conclusions, and he'd go, do it. And then he loved it. So we stayed in touch all the time. All the Super Bowls, major events. Anytime he was in town, dedicating a statue, coming in to meet with people, do Howard Stern pop over. But. And then when I would go over with my friends to his house, the first thing he would say is, look at you. What are you, German? He goes, what does it mean to be German? He goes, well, I don't really touch my heritage. Where do you live? What'd your mom do? What is it like, oh, my dad died in ninth grade. Wow. What was that like within 10 minutes. He would do a sincere autopsy on the person all the time because he wants to know where you stood, what made you. But he wasn't judging you.
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A
Right. He was just trying to get an idea for who you were, always.
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B
So I would just laugh because I'd bring people over and Jim would be, how you doing? Yeah. Oh, thanks. Oh, you were great. I remember my dad told me, I went, great. What about you? What'd you do? I went to Syracuse. I played goal. You played soccer. When did you start playing? Every time? Next thing you know, they're talking about they gotta tell their relationships, their kids. So it's just. Just a really. It was. It was really cool. Also, if he gets mad at you, he'll tell you, you know, I don't like the question. If I ever asked him a question, I gave him choices. If I said, hey, Jim, are you somebody that if you don't win a championship, it's a losing season, and if you do play well, that's enough for you, he'll go, don't give me choices. Just ask me the question. Is winning everything? So there's certain things with him that he wouldn't like pigeonholing the questions. He would just say, no one's going to manipulate me. But he really wanted to see the good in people. I know that there was an abrasive period that he had, but all he would try to see is the good in people. He really would. And he would try to seek out the people struggling the most, which he said, prisoners. And he would try to fix him. He goes, Try to reach him. He goes, don't be intimidated by these guys. He goes, they're basically hurting.
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A
Richard Pryor talks about, with his drug addiction, how much that he helped him through it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And was what you gonna do? He just kept asking him the same question over and over again. And Richard was, like, screaming at him, like, I don't know what I'm. Is what you going to do. So. Which is very similar. You've. It's funny, man, because you've worked with a civil rights leader. I mean, he's a football hall of Famer, but I think, oh, yeah, Jim Brown's presence will be more remembered for what he did with people than he did on the field. And what he did on the field was no small margin. I mean, there's still guys scratching their head, trying to figure out at 29, leaves the game. Yeah. Just walks away from the game. And he did movies. He did everything else. You write some very interesting books and I have had a chance to be a part of two of them. Although I'm still. When you asked me to write the blurb, I didn't realize there was gonna be 47 of them. But it's all good. I found mine. I did some digging.
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B
Very valuable.
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A
I did some digging. I'd get through it. But like, you tackle some big stuff. And I think for me, the Booker t. And Roosevelt1 was one of my favorite books. But like you, you're tackling some pretty strong moments in history and you're showcasing a lot of the, the black and white relationship and leadership around men. You also did that with Theodore and I just wonder what led you to go that route. Was it because I automatically see your time with Jim and you're like, I want to do something?
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B
Absolutely. And a couple of things too, is that I don't run for America. I love America's past, but I don't run from it.
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A
No, you do not.
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B
We were taught Jim Crow. We were taught the evils of slavery. We were talking about the. I mean, you watch Roots and I was in sixth grade when it comes out, so you don't watch that and go, oh, they soft pedaled it. No, you don't. But I always thought, oh, man, Martin Luther King, Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington never knew much about him until he started studying them. I looked at them as just as great people. I didn't say, America sucks. We shouldn't have had to have. I just would say we did. Every continent had slavery, you know, and the Barbary Coast, Tripoli pirates. They were enslaving Europeans so you could focus on black and how evil it was. Side note, Walter Isaacson's book that comes out, it's 80 pages, the most important sentence ever written about the beginning of the Declaration of Independence. They talk about, they have exact quotes from John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, who ends up being the leading abolitionist of his time. They know how evil it was. They couldn't figure out a way to get out of it or they had the courage to do it. So they saw how bad it was and they saw there was going to be a plight on America. I don't know how we're going to beat this. Somehow we're going to have to confront this. And sure enough, we didn't in 1860. But I always looked at America's story as an evolving situation to always get better. So since when am I going to tell a country that's not perfect? You're not good enough for me. All I'm going to say is, man, I'll look at other countries and I'll look at European theater and I'll find out about. But no one's got a better history, more interesting history than us because it's like the world's either vagrants or all star team. However you look at it, we're coming here, we made a choice. And then you keep growing. You have your own legacy. But I just want us to embrace our country's legacy. If you join the Giants right now, you joined the 2025 Giants, but I also think you should go back 100 years and you join that giant organization, right? Bad and good. Good coaches, bad coaches, bad decisions, bad stadiums, good decisions, championships, whatever. You join it, don't judge it. And that's what I thought. I go, how do. Who's trying to make our country better? Booker T. Washington. Who did he pair with? Teddy Roosevelt. In what way did they do it? Maybe we got a book here. Go see the family. Go see the experts. See if I have the foundation. Frederick Douglass. I watched the book of the year with Frederick Douglass book. I forgot the guy's name who wrote it. And it was the number one book. So I read it and I go, okay, I can't ever do anything better than this. I can't do a uss. But what if I saw his relationship and compare it to Lincoln and how they got together at the end? So I thought that would be a pairing. And my hope is you love Lincoln, you love Douglass, you're going to go back and find out more. My hope was to give you a slice of it. And I have no problem looking on America's imperfections because I think the better story is how they try to fix it.
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Yeah, I agree 1,000%.
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B
So that's why. And now my next one is uniting the states. The six crises that made America great or shaped America's destiny. I'll figure out how, the exact subtitle, but I'm gonna look at Shays Rebellion, Boston Massacre, the burning of Washington, George Washington's new way of fighting, which if we didn't get to guerrilla war, we don't win. And John Quincy Adams, the first leading abolitionist, he goes from president to congressman and just mocks the hell out of the south for having. And baits them. Get rid of your slaves. What do you mean? They're subhuman, representing the slaves who overthrow the ship, the Amistad ship. He went and represented them, and his dad, of course, represented the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre. Even though we're at the eve of a revolution, he said in 1773, these guys are innocent. You put them in jail for no reason. I'll go represent them. So it's a special family. But I thought we'd end so people don't just say. I just say the good parts or the difficult parts. Belize, we had a purchase as the other. I wanted people to say, the abolitionists who worked hard to try to get America out of slavery, it was him hardest.
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The timing of seems ironic too, because we're at a time where there's all these rumblings of civil war and civil unrest and divert, you know, fake oppression. You know, capitalism's the devil. You know, there's this uptick in socialism. And you know, it's, it's funny that you have a book that's chronicling some of the real moments in history when shit got real.
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B
How about this? Tyrus? They gave us one day of the War of 1812. I don't even know if you got a day right. I remember in history, I loved history. I can remember all my teachers, all my classes, and I remember in 11th grade, War of 1812. And they're like, ty, I'm like, okay, what else? Oh, they burned Washington to the ground. Whoa, whoa. They burned the White House to the ground. And I remember just being intrigued by this war. They go, well, no, it was no big deal. I go, what about that battle in New Orleans? Well, the war was over then, you didn't have to fight it. Well, then you go to the 3rd infantry and they have this great pride, the cotton ballers, with the battle of the war of New Orleans in 1814. And I go, wait a second. The guys fighting now, remember this battle, this must be something to it. And I went and visited, talked to people, found paperwork that the British wanted to abrogate the treaty of Ghent. They wanted to stop us growing, from growing past the Mississippi. If this 41 year old, self taught, former orphan military general didn't rally a group of free men of color, marines, militia, everybody, pirates together to stop the number one infantry in the world that just beat Napoleon. I go, that's a story they didn't tell us. But what happened before that? Anyone who's panicking now, if you think about this, we start a war, we're not ready to fight against the number one superpower in the world who wanted desperately to have revenge. 36 years after the revolution and not only is it not going well, it's going terribly. And Our president is 5 foot 3 inches with epilepsy, he couldn't even serve. He went back to his house, just left Washington and tried to recover James Monroe. And everyone's like, where the hell is the president? They start the war. He goes and travels again. And then they get to Washington and they go through a militia like paper mache. They go in and they burned the White House to the ground. And dinner was still hot. That's when Dolly Meyerson got out, grabbed Washington's painting, rolled it up, got out, and they burned the thing. I went, george W. Bush was kind enough to give me a tour of the White House. And he looked up and I said, those burn marks? He goes, that's from the War of 1812. I go, why are they still there? He goes, why do I think? I go, yeah, tell me what you think. He says, I think they're the reminders how fragile democracy is. So if you want to know a crisis, how about this? You have a 5 foot 3 inch president with a great mind but no leadership ability, wondering if his army would reconvene, if his wife was still alive, and if his country would ever be there to fight the next battle, which he knows is gonna be in Baltimore in one week. That's a crisis.
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Yes.
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B
Okay, this is not a crisis.
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No, this is not.
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B
So you have the number one economic military superpower in the world, and you got two parties who are meddling. One's meddling with socialism, one's better, meddling with isolationism. One's got to wrestle with the scream right wing, who go on a podcast and try to rip the rest of the Republican Party. And you got socialists on the left and with the squad trying to kill what's left of the moderates on that party. That's not a crisis, that's a period of time.
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A
Yes, 1,000%. And I guess that's why you're a newsman, because you could break that down. You didn't take it personal. Everything is so, so personal. So. And on top of this, you're not done there because you also do live events.
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B
Yeah, well, I think I love going up there, talking about our past. And I don't know if you've seen the show, but I really want you to check it out because you would be awesome at this. So I have a really good friend. They're going from War Magolia at Syracuse. I've known him since fourth grade. And my other friend I've known since high school. One's doing standup, the other one should have been in entertainment, but one into sales. And I would. I said, when I started doing this stuff on the road, I go, hey, Rick, do me a favor. Just warm up the audience, say hello, get the T shirt gun, tell everyone what's going to happen. And I said, pat, do me a favor. Why don't you open up for me and just do 15 minutes. And then I just said, watch Mike Rowe on his history show. And he would walk in to a green screen to a period of time. Jefferson would be talking to Monroe and. And they're talking back and forth, and Mike Rowe in his blue jean shirt would walk into that period and say, this guy doesn't trust this guy. And I go, wait a second. What if I grab one moment in my history books and bring them to life? And we came up with skits in that moment, making modern references but staying true to the story. So we came up with six of them each time we try to get it better. So now when people see the show, it's not me sitting in a chair, and it's not me just telling you with. With the PowerPoint what's happening and having tapes now. I said, hey, I could tell you what happened, or I could bring it to life with two inexperienced actors with real no dish. And they come out and Will Kane went and joined me on set, and Pate Hegseth joined me and Rachel joined me. And I give them roles. So if I know I have three, I'm like, I'm going to give three people. With the Battle of New Orleans, I'll pick one. One scene in my head and I go, let's do it. But we don't write it down. Figure it out. Like, you're a great improv guy. Yeah, so I already have. So one. You know, you're Washington and you're trying to figure out how you're going to take on the pirate, the pirates. And you got these terrorists took hostages, and Jefferson wants to fight them. And Adam says, no, if we have to fight him, we have to fight him forever. You know, these, these. These crazy Muslims are not going to stop. They're militant. And he said, Washington goes, okay, I'll split the difference. I'll build you ships, Jefferson, but for Adams, I'm going to pay the money and get our guys out. So then he breaks into of course then as Washington. Then he'll say, of course again. I solve a problem, I win a war. I'm the first president, but I don't get any credit for it. He breaks into his Trump and I guess. And I'll walk over and snap him out of it, I go, you know, we're talking about the first president, not 47th president. So we just get the audience involved.
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A
You little faces, your little director now, a little Scorsese going on.
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B
Well, you would love it now.
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A
It sounds like fun. When's the ones the tour start?
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B
Well, yeah. Well, I did the last one two weeks ago in Pennsylvania. No one sells like you sell. I'm gonna be in Fort Myers on the 14th in February and that's huge. That's a 1700 seat venue. We sold 650 tickets so far, so hopefully we'll get it. But you know, you got to mention on the air, but you got to work it in. But I stream on Fox Nation, so I go, guys, it's for you too. So you stream on Fox Nation. They just send one camera and people seem to like it.
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A
1. You're a two camera guy.
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B
I think so too.
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A
I think they need to capture.
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B
You think I should demand it?
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A
I think at least an iPad and a camera just so they can get some hot takes.
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B
Yes.
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A
You know, well, put it this way.
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B
I think if we ever combined.
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A
Oh, I would. Especially with your book out. Yeah. My new. My new what it is America. That's out. It's doing well. I have to come on the radio to talk.
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B
What about the shirtless shot? I think that's underappreciated.
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A
Yeah. It's my last topless.
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B
It is.
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A
Yeah. I've re. I've. Did you know.
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B
You have to know when.
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A
You have to know when it's done. Like I did it on the first one.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And this was. And then they had me do it on the second one. My first one is back there. And then this year.
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B
When did you realize you had so many tattoos?
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A
See, I didn't realize I had a lot of tattoos until I saw these photos because I look at it as just one.
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B
One. Right. Just one big one.
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A
Just one big one. So. But when I saw it, you know, and. And now it's like it's a. It's a. I'm. I look a lot different than I did in the beginning.
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B
Oh, yeah, you're much slimmer. You can do a marathon now.
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A
Let's not. Let's not push it. But I have come full circle. So now whatever the. When I decide to write my fourth book, if I ever want to punish myself again. But you have to be completely. It would have to be a whole different thing if you want.
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B
Riveting. Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, I'm doing a sequel to the Games do count to the games still count, so I'm interviewing. Don't be offended. With 50 people, right. I know you like one, but 50 people. And everyone was riveted with your sports story. I mean, it took me three weeks to make it an essay. I had to keep going back to it because there's so many stories, there's so many levels to it. So I think you will definitely have the longest story in the book, because I take out my questions. We make the podcast going to air with the book. But, you know, we did it on video. But the story is exactly where I wrote the book. The lessons you learn along the way. Because we only be. You can only be athletes for so long.
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A
Yep.
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B
You know, so. So that. That's just it. The other thing is no neck tattoos, right?
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A
No, no, no, no. You got to be able to. I did the hands, so you can't do neck and hands. I think that's. I think that's too much. Right? That's crossing. It's crossing a lot of lines. Like, who are you trying to impress? Are you looking for.
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B
To them for advice?
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A
I. I just acknowledge them. I just find if you acknowledge them, then they move.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Like, if you don't, they won't move the whole thing.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's three.
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A
If you look, they're all like, oh, man. Oh, this mic is. Yep. This. Yep, we're good.
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B
Now there's three guys in there. Have you intimidated them? Like, because you could do that? Like, no, I don't.
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A
I don't really talk to him. I just look every once in a while and be like, hey, just keep on. If someone doesn't move, I'm assuming he's asleep.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, Absolutely.
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B
You gotta let him go.
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A
You gotta let him go. Send him on a man on the street.
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B
What about the story with the Giants number one pick sleeping through practice in the training room?
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A
Okay, first of all, that's Carter, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
He. You don't ask for Lawrence Taylor's jersey.
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B
I didn't know he did.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Are you kidding me?
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A
No. Abdul Carter, he asked Lawrence Taylor if he could unretire his number for him.
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B
And then have a half a sack.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What's going on with that?
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A
I don't know where these kids get it from. I don't know who his agent is. I. When I think of a D tackle or I think of a defensive end, you think of, like, a Dominican sue who was like, he was. His. His business was the field. You knew from the moment just. You looked at him, you knew that this guy, he was football. A D lineman shouldn't have to brag, or a DN shouldn't have to brag because they just show up on the field and do their thing. And this guy was. And I'm not a Giants fan at all, but I kept hearing some of the things that he was saying. And when I said he asked for Lawrence's jersey, that Lawrence Taylor's in many circles considered in the same light as like a Michael Jordan in basketball, I mean, he's the best at his position ever. He reinvent. He changed the way that people block things. And that you said, can I have your number?
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B
Like, that's just that I didn't know.
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A
You know, if he had 17 sacks right now and the Giants were, yeah, you know, look, as a playoff team, then you'd be like, hey, but I mean, you don't even. Derek Thomas, rest his soul, was a tremendous outside linebacker, one of the best to ever do it. But you still don't compare him to Lawrence Taylor. You don't compare any, you know, even part as good as Parsons is, there's. Whenever those conspiracy comparisons are made, I always, you understand, the reason why we talk about Lawrence Taylor is he did it over his career. He didn't have one year, he didn't have two years. He was consistently great, ungreat every year in the league. And so there's a. But that's another thing with media. I get, I get frustrated whenever they talk about sports kids, because they. A lot of the times the guys who are talking about have no reference point. They didn't play the game. They didn't even study the game. They're making money covering the game, covering the game. And they talk about the guys who play the game with such disrespect. The 12th guy on the basketball team is the greatest athlete within 500 miles of his.
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B
Who was the best in high school.
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A
Yes. Like, you understand that these guys sitting on the bench would average 40 points a game in any other league?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, the guys in the NFL who are second and third string or whatever, or a quarterback who's starting in the NFL and they're like, oh, look, I'm like, the guy who isn't playing is a star. Like, it just, it just tell the story. But it's always like, if they don't win the super bowl every year, the team sucks. Are you kidding me?
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B
So the one thing I'd say, this is a wake up call. Now when New York finds out that you slept through practice, when you're Supposed to start for the first time because the guy of heddy is injured. And then he's like, yeah, sorry about that. He missed the first six plays, but he went back in. I went to a game three weeks ago, I go, the guy's barely in the game. What's going on here? The Giants are don't have the strongest defense in the fourth quarter. You would think they put in their dynamic youngster with a great engine. There must be something going on. He's only playing 50% of the plays.
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A
Probably behavioral, probably lazy.
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B
We saw the guy's got to step in. Yeah.
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A
But I think it's. I think if he was playing for a team that had a history of winning or had a history of taking care of their veterans or had that presence, he probably. Which you would think the Giants, given they've won a Super bowl or two, would have a level of even if the record wasn't great. There's a certain way of doing things, but sounds to me like the players or the ownership runs the roost over there. The head coach didn't have a feel for things. So you fire your head coach, you get a new guy in there and this guy, he oversleeps. So the right to say if you're going to send a message to your team, do you cut your first round pick?
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B
No. No. What you do is you bench him for six place. Yeah, that's what happened.
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A
Yeah. Which they just did. The Cowboys just did that with their receivers. But pick it and see.
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B
In a way, don't you hate that though? Like it's easy to cut a guy. You know, we're cutting him because he had a bad attitude and yeah, you cut him because he's the last on the roster. You're not going to cut your starting tight end.
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A
So I'm saying like you're not going to virtual make a point. Like we're going to cut our. Here's the thing. The Carter kid probably would get picked up within 14 seconds to get picked up by probably your arrival for no other reason than his playbook. But it's just when you look because you've been doing this for some decades now. Do you. And you don't seem to be slowing down at all. Like I don't, I don't get that sense of tiredness from you at all. Like you're excited, you're eager, you're doing a million things, you're non stop. You're not getting tired. When did the show start again?
- [42:28]
B
This was. You mean our show? Yeah, our show started.
- [42:33]
A
No no, I'm talking about when you. With the, the stand up show with the sketches. When does that.
- [42:37]
B
Oh, well, I started doing that five years ago. Four or five years ago. You know why? It's just we have the same problem is that if people want to hear us talk or, you know, hey, we want Tyrus to come speak. Well, it was very hard to get approved because there might be some conflict with Fox or what if that pro. What if that business isn't on the up and up?
- [42:55]
A
Right, exactly.
- [42:56]
B
So 90% of the speaking things were being knocked out. And one day I watched Bill O'Reilly in the round at Westbury. Have you done that? Westbury in the round?
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A
No.
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B
You would sell it out. It's unbelievable. Where the stage is in the middle.
- [43:10]
A
Oh, yes, yes.
- [43:11]
B
Yeah, yeah. You would sell it out in two seconds. But I watched him do it and he basically did. Stand up goes, guys, these are. He would just talk about what's happening in the news and then interview Dennis Miller. I go, wow. But this is great because all those people that watch us, you know this, then they get a chance to see you, that you're a normal human being. You take pictures with them, and then you have even more loyal viewers and fans. So I thought, what if I can create my own events? And I just said, if I look like I'm doing on my own, which I'm not really, I go, I am Fox News. So I said to Fox Nation before I did it, would you guys be interested in streaming it? And they said, if not. I said, if not, would you. If you guys try not to stream it, I will still put up the sizzle reel. I'll have the QR code. So I'll have a thousand people hold up their phones or get a card that says free month. So who else is going to get you a thousand?
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A
Right.
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B
Probably viewers in an event that you're not paying for. So they said, we're in. So I started doing that four years ago.
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A
Right. What is, what is, what is. Oh, yeah. This is a million dollar question. What does a vacation look like to you? Like, if you could pick the vacation, what is it?
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B
My, my vacation is learning something. Like I. And now, like, I think my family's on board with it. I like going to.
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A
Hold on. I'm sorry, we got a groan.
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B
I like to, I like to go to, like to see something of historical. Like go to Rome. Like, you know, like something like that.
- [44:39]
A
He'll go to Italy. He'll go to Rome.
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B
Yeah. I have no interest in hiking. You Know, But I like to see stuff.
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A
No, turn the phone off. Get away from it all.
- [44:47]
B
Well, it was crazy because I went with three families to Yellowstone and you can't get. You can't get any coverage there.
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A
No.
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B
You want to see these kids panic. So you have no WI fi. Zero. And, you know, you maybe get TV in your room, get through two or three channels. That was. They went crazy. Like, they had no idea. And that was the weekend of. The weekend in Virginia when everything fell apart. Remember, there were good people on both sides.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
So I remember that weekend, the one time I go, let me just take a weekend off. Don't worry about it. And sure enough, they had this huge weekend when. When that guy got killed and whatever. But that's my vacation. I gotta go a week to 10 days, see something different, experience something different, and come back.
- [45:35]
A
Could you do a show, like, alone, where, like, they put you on an island for, like, and see how many days you could last with just you living off the land?
- [45:45]
B
Would I be resourceful enough to survive?
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A
Yeah, I think.
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B
I think so.
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A
Yeah. I guess A young guy. Yeah, I guess. Like somebody born in, like, one of these. Born in the 80s. You can smoke these guys, right? I mean, because after they're. After they try to make their tree of the Pilates. Yeah. Like, there's no Pilates in this forest. I don't understand, you know, like, have you guys seen a fire?
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B
Well, we know Harry. We know Harry.
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A
Stuff actually show. Yeah.
- [46:12]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [46:13]
A
There's some shenanigans with his background, apparently.
- [46:17]
B
Well, he's. He trains in ufc and he's like, I could take Tyrus. And I go, why don't you ever tell him that? He goes, I'd never tell him that. So I, I Let me.
- [46:24]
A
You know what? You did the same thing on Fox and Friends. How'd that work out?
- [46:28]
B
Well, we didn't have enough time.
- [46:29]
A
Yeah, right.
- [46:30]
B
I was good. Yeah. I ran out of time.
- [46:32]
A
That was good. But those. The rating spike was nice, though.
- [46:36]
B
Did you see that?
- [46:36]
A
Yeah. The lady ran out with it. She was like, can you do it again? You know, man, I just. A lot of people don't realize how fun you are, I think, and, like, how much fun it is to work with you. This dude is. You're always in a positive mood. You're. You're always. You're not a grizzled veteran. You're not like an angry guy. No, you're. You want to work with. You're happy to see everyone. You're happy. You're happy to see everyone be successful. And I think that's a rare quality. It's one of the reasons why you're one of my favorite people here, because I'm honored.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Always want to see everybody win. Like, I've never seen him, like, oh, hey, good luck. And if they leave, like, that guy sucks. I hope he failed. You know, like, he's just not that guy. And it's contagious. And I think that's probably why Greg's so jealous of you.
- [47:16]
B
Is that how you see it?
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A
Yeah, he's jealous. That's why I say you're just so jealous to kill me, because kill me is just right. A lot of times taller, and he's got a sports background, and he's well respected by everyone. You say inch and a half taller, at least.
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B
Much more. Detention and a half. Are you kidding? I mean, I know you have no. No perspective. What are you, six, seven?
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A
Yeah. So, you know, plus my neck is sore, so I'm not really sure, but at least two. I'll give you two and a half on him.
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B
Much more than two and a half. Are you kidding? But we'll see. All I could say is Craig is in. It's an unbelievable success story. And I was here in the New York Times, and I listened to the interview he did, and they go, why do you pick on certain people? He goes, I only pick on people I like.
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A
Right. Yeah.
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B
So I'll go with that.
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A
Yeah, I know. You know what? And it's funny, they were trying to do that, and I just was like, did you not watch Johnny Carson? Did you not watch. Of course, Don Rickles made fun of his friends. Yes. You know, like, it's not that hard. Yeah. But they. They were looking for something. Yeah, they were looking for something.
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B
You.
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A
You always kind of avoid that stuff, too. Like, they never. No one ever gets you in a hot seat a couple times. I've never seen anyone get you. Like, I've seen you, like, not like, something on the air or. Or found something ridiculous and a reaction or. Or a suspect will give some kind of ridiculous answer, but you've always contained yourself. Was there. Is there any story before I let you go? There was one story that you just were like. You just listen to somebody talking just to be like, oh, you're so full of shit, man.
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B
Like, do you know remember who was the governor of Minnesota? Wrestler.
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A
Oh, Ventura Jesse.
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B
Really don't like him. Yeah, he was really rude. I'm trying to engage with him. He's inconsistent with his argument Got angry, started threatening. And I thought to myself, I would probably lose, but I would love to fight him. And I thought that that really went off the rails and that was like the most hostile situation. But he had been on four or five times, but he was angry. He had nothing to do after he was governor. And I guess he. I don't know what his problem was, but I thought he was out of his mind.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then he went after. As you know, what he did afterwards in suing the family of. Of who's the Sniper? The sniper movie.
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A
Oh, I know you're talking about. Yeah, he did that. And he just.
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B
Chris Kyle.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Suing the family of Chris Kyle. That. That's where I go. That's a. That's just a bad guy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I know he's from the wrestling community, and I appreciate.
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A
He was. I think it was. I think he was a seal.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And then. Then he became this. Then there was a huge feud between him and the wrestling world over unions or something like that. Jesse's always kind of been his walk to the beat of his own drum, I guess. Best way to say it. But. And then, you know, you. You try to be extreme, and then it kind of goes away, you know, because it's, like, gone. And I find that guys, when it's gone, usually the last one to know is the guy, right? And. But they're extremely bitter, like angry about everything. Because.
- [50:08]
B
And that's. I think that that's the only. It. That's the only time. I mean, on the air. I remember one time Jerry Springer comes on, and Jerry Springer comes on and just starts ripping the network. Like, you guys are a bunch of liars. Like, no one listens to you. And whatever he starts saying. I just remember coming to the break and I go, what are you doing? I'm like, we just gave you, like, five, six minutes airtime and you did it to rip us. Nobody else is putting you on. You're a joke. I remember, like, getting into with that, and then people thought that was aggressive. But these. I mean, that's out of thousands of interviews. But when they come on. I have no patience for people gonna put down Fox after they're on Fox.
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A
Yeah. Like, why'd you come on?
- [50:45]
B
Right. Just because you want viewership. I mean, or the people that wanna marginalize what our network is really. Some days people are gonna write about this. This is as great a broadcasting story as any that's been written.
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A
I always say that it will be long after I'm gone. The significance of this time in history will be looked at much different than way it was portrayed. I really feel it'll be people will be who weren't too close to it or didn't try to influence it, I think will be. It'll be a very different story.
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B
Yeah. And I think this management team is the best. What they've done. Launching outkick the Weather Channel, the business channel, now the digital's number one. They come out and Fox Nation's roaring with CNN collapsed. So if CBS started a streaming network that nobody watched and still doesn't watch, it's costing a zillion dollars. We said, okay, we got something. We'll just put this online, we'll meet you where you're at. And who would think that we'd have management that would be able to predict where 18 to 20, like your staff to 18, 20, 25 year olds, 27 years old. If we just stuck with cable and said, this is our audience, we're going to leave it. But instead they're worried about the next generation. And look at the people they hired. Do you see how great our reporters, Literally our reporters are unbelievable. And the next generation coming up. You see Jackie Heinrich and you see Peter Doocy and you see these guys, they're awesome. And that's the next generation. I mean, this thing is. This is a machine. This is the 49ers in the 80s.
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A
Oh, wow. Which, by the way, I did sit down with. He wasn't with them in the 80s, but Mariucci, he was with them.
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B
He's great. Yeah, he's a Fox guy.
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A
He's a Fox guy. He was a lot of fun. We were talking football and he showed me he was taking pictures off his wall and there's this great picture of him talking. He's got Steve Young sitting on his helmet, which we both agreed shouldn't have happened. As a coach, he should have handled that. But Jerry Rice, J.J. stokes, Terrell Owens and I think. And they're all leaned in, I think Clark, the tight end, they're all leaning in the mirror just talking to him.
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B
Yeah. It's like, didn't he replace Bill Walsh?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Think about that. I mean, from Cal, right?
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he was from Cal too. So, like he was not making any friends as far as the bar was being raised. But. And it was crazy because he was at probably at the time, two franchises that couldn't be more opposite. The 49ers and the Detroit Lions.
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B
Oh, I know.
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A
You know, like two like you. One, the bar is unbelievable high. The other One, the bar is literally two blocks down the street.
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B
I know, I know.
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A
Not anymore. Detroit's decent now. But. But I was like talking to him about the differences between those two organizations.
- [53:24]
B
Last question, though. Here's the thing on the Niners. How good could they have been with a salary cap? Because they would just flood money with people. You stay, I'll give you money. You couldn't. Had. You couldn't had Montana and Young on the same team forever. Are you kidding? I mean, they would. You have to get rid of the backup, whoever the backup was. You can't have two stars.
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A
You can't maintain two guys like that.
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B
Yeah, right. And what would they be paying Jerry Rice and you know, so.
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A
And if the running back. And they're fullback. They're tight. Like. Not to mention the defense was crazy.
- [53:53]
B
Yeah.
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A
Running a lot.
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B
So they couldn't do it. That's why the Cowboys haven't won without salary cap. As soon as they put the salary cap in, they haven't won anything.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because they were just overpaying guys that come in with money.
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A
Well, yeah. The Dion thing, they.
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B
Great drafting, great foundation, perfect coach and did a whole about, you know, just reminded you of how they put the team together. But after the salary cap came in and they had to pay, it was even, you know.
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A
That's crazy. You think about it. Yeah. The Cowboys. Yeah. Because.
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B
Yeah.
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A
The rest of the league's like, it's not fair, man.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, you got Joe Montana and Steve Young on the same team.
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B
Yeah. I mean, think about that.
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A
Yeah. And the starter wasn't even the best player. Yeah. That's the cold part. Like.
- [54:32]
B
I know. You know. Yeah. Well, then you say if Walsh wasn't able to work with Steve Young because you saw how the flaws in his game with Tampa. Then he goes to Los Angeles, I guess in the usfl where he plays. Played in front of no one. But he had to grow his game. He probably learned a ton underneath.
- [54:47]
A
Yeah. Oh, invaluable. I think same thing with Mahomes. I think when he had that year, I. I think they put the kids out there too soon. And then they. Very rare.
- [54:56]
B
Like Marino can figure it out.
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A
Very.
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B
Elway. Elway struggled for a few years. Peyton Manning by the league and interceptions.
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A
But it's a. It's a. It's a fun. It's nice to be able to get kind of get back into talking sports. Sports again. Not everything's politics. That's one thing that, like, what do you think? How do you think it's going to shape. We might be in trouble. President's, he's. When his term's up, he's done. What is the news media world going to do without him?
- [55:23]
B
Oh, it's going to be crazy. I mean, they don't understand how spoiled they are. And I could already see people understanding, especially coming off Biden when he didn't talk to anyone, how much easier his job is. But I. This is the bigger question. I saw this good picture. I like George W. Bush and had a chance to meet him a number of times. I think he's a quality individual. But they say his approval ratings at 53%. You know, his son, his nephew is going to run for governor of Maine. And they said on the sideline, Republicans are queuing up traditional Republicans for 2028 as opposed to the MAGA Republicans of Ted Cruz, who's going to get out there and JD Vance and DeSantis, Nikki Haley, more traditional. So I think Noem is gonna jump out there. Sean Duffy could jump out there. But I would say that here's the question. Is it gonna be the old school Republicans, the Dick Cheney, George Bush Republicans, or is it gonna be the Trump Republicans? Maga. This is our philosophy, America first.
- [56:21]
A
Right. It's gonna be a little civil war.
- [56:23]
B
Could be, but it'll be. Hopefully it'll be civil because they're gonna be on the stage debating it.
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A
Yes, because on the other side, you're gonna have a socialist candidate and you're gonna have a moderate.
- [56:32]
B
Right.
- [56:33]
A
We're not the same problem in the Democratic Party, but I think maybe a little more extreme.
- [56:36]
B
I wanna see a Democrat go, gavin, why are you running for president? You've done a terrible job. You left your state in a deficit that's riddled with homeless. Everyone's leaving the most beautiful state in the world. What are you doing? Taxes are through the roof. But I don't wanna say it. Tyrus doesn't wanna say it. I want another Democrat who wants the nomination to say.
- [56:55]
A
But they won't say it because then they won't get asked to do anything interviews anymore.
- [56:58]
B
Well, I. Oh, I think that somebody should though.
- [57:01]
A
Somebody should. But I think also he's. They're select. You know what I've noticed is that although Gavin, a couple. He's done a couple Fox things. But I find when they're trying to push someone, they will not allow them. That's what killed Kamala. Something as simple as going on a Joe Rogan podcast.
- [57:17]
B
Al Gore didn't go. Didn't either.
- [57:19]
A
Yeah, they won't do it because they're afraid they're going to look bad. But what you're saying is you're showing everyone you have something to hide.
- [57:24]
B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Like, I don't understand the thought process.
- [57:27]
B
But it's the best thing to do to get you ready.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's the best thing you do to get you ready for the other side. So, you know the thing Gavin Newsom's clearly preparing opposition research.
- [57:35]
A
I also think that. But we fall for that. The media. I don't think the people in the Democratic Party right now that they're saying as potential runners are the guy at all. I think I laughed a lot when they're like, Hakeem Jeffries is in trouble. Like, he's not in trouble. He's a serious man who passes laws. He's doing work.
- [57:56]
B
Yeah.
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A
He's. He doesn't want. They don't want you talking about him. They want you talking about AOC.
- [58:01]
B
Right. It's tough when you're a leader. Mitch McConnell at 33% approval rating, because all you do is make it tough decisions and you look like the bad guy when you step on the Freedom Caucus or you step on the. Step on the squad.
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A
Yeah. But I just think, like I said, I think we're going to have this period over the next. I think Christmas things will die down, but I think things are going to get wild. I wonder what they're going to do with the Epstein stuff is gone.
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B
Right. You know, Tyrus and I got to kind of. I got to run to the five, but couple of things on the Epstein thing. This is. I'm shaking my head. I'm like, are you really that stupid? Yeah, I mean, it's like.
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A
It is like I've said it.
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B
Did you see Hakeem Jeffries? Oh, Keem, we found an email from your staff trying to get Epstein into your fundraiser. Oh, really? Oh, the Virginia, the Virgin Islands delegate. Oh, by the way, you were getting text messages from Jeffrey Epstein during a hearing about Donald Trump. Oh, these exchanges talk about how evil Donald Trump is with Larry Summers, who wants tips for picking up girls who happens to be the president of Harvard. Where's his money going? To Democratic causes and these needy causes like Harvard. Really? So he's giving money to Harvard? Thank goodness. Cuz they were running out.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So the. So. Oh, Bill Clinton. Do you really? Bill Gates. They must be like, are you kidding me? You're forcing these pages out and the victims are gonna have to relive their hell because they asked for it unredacted. Have at it. Trump stopped that story in 2007. So you're trying to get Trump and you idiots, you're getting yourselves.
- [59:44]
A
Yeah, because here's the thing. If they would have been anything, they would have sacrificed everyone to get him out.
- [59:50]
B
Tom Massie, do you really think he cares about these girls? If he cared about those girls, where was he four, six, eight years ago? Ro Khanna. I have to do it for the victims. Really? Did they. Were they victims four years ago?
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A
Yeah. With a. Yeah, they're doing it for the victims. And then they're going to try to spin. But I just feel like they've spun that top. Is that parties over much? Although I don't want to end this conversation on Epstein stuff because. Yeah, because it's a dumb. Like I said, had they had anything on them, the amount of millions, probably billions of dollars that have been spent on trying to get him out of office.
- [60:28]
B
Right.
- [60:29]
A
You had one real thing, it would have been. They would have played that card early. It wouldn't have mattered whom it would have took out in the Democratic Party. They would have said, fallen. You're going to fall on your sword to get them. And now their best hope is that somebody will interpret an email for a fundraising event. And the negative, like, it's just, it's. They. Here's the thing, there's no rematch. You can't beat him. He's done right. You know, there ain't gonna be no rematch. I keep saying. And so I guess don't want one.
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B
Was the end of Rocky 1.
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A
Yeah, I don't want one. I don't think he does. He's gonna. He's out and they're gonna still try to run.
- [61:04]
B
I have a theory to bounce off you that you could use with Gutfeld. You ready?
- [61:07]
A
Let me hear it.
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B
The best thing to happen to Democrats is for them not to win the House and Senate, because if they do, you know what they're going to be doing, Tyrus? Trying to impeach him. They're going to be obsessed with investigating his family. And you know what they're not going to be doing? Coming up with a message, a direction, a leader. They're going to be focused on stopping Trump still. So Republicans would benefit in the long run. The Democrats would benefit immediately if they would be forward. We don't have the House and Senate again. Let's go meet and get a plan.
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A
Exactly.
- [61:36]
B
Attacking Trump is officially over.
- [61:38]
A
It doesn't work. You're. Yeah, it's like, it's like watching Dr. Evil. It's just It. No, Scott, it's. This is not how it works. Like, they just don't get it.
- [61:49]
B
But battle them on issues. And, you know, here's the crazy thing. If you picked up the phone and you said, hey, I know you don't like Obamacare, but I have a way to fix it. He would do deals with Democrats.
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A
He would. 100%.
- [62:00]
B
You just come and just show him respect.
- [62:01]
A
Yeah. And a plan.
- [62:03]
B
Yeah, just show me your plan. I can get onto that. And they'll have someone sit next to him. Go. That's not feasible. Okay, but he'll do a deal. And he doesn't hold grudges. Just show up. That's what the mayor of San Francisco said. Mr. President, I know you heard. I think you're thinking about it, but let me just tell you what I've done and how I improved it. This is what I'm doing. I'm gonna send you some pictures. He talked to him like a human being. He goes, can you hold off? And he said, I will. As opposed to what Pritzker's doing.
- [62:29]
A
Right. Yeah. Pritzker's just running his mouth because secretly he wants him there.
- [62:33]
B
Yeah.
- [62:34]
A
But he can say he didn't want him there so he can fix his problem and then save face with his.
- [62:40]
B
And run for president.
- [62:41]
A
And run for president. Yeah. That'll be interesting. Well, I. You'll definitely be there to cover it.
- [62:46]
B
I will, hopefully.
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A
Yep.
- [62:48]
B
Yeah. And hopefully we'll be on a lot together.
- [62:50]
A
Yes, sir. All right, forward to it. Always a pleasure, man.
- [62:52]
B
And I did break news. This is your last shirtless shot of the COVID of your book. So I did break news.
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A
Yeah. No more.
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B
All right. I can go with that story.
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A
Yeah. I'm gonna have to figure something else.
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B
I'm gonna call digital.
- [63:01]
A
All right. Let them know.
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B
Thank you.
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A
End of an error.
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B
Thank you. Tires.
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A
Thank you, sir.