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Jocko Willink
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Tyrus
in a no accountability culture. That's a very powerful statement.
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Jocko Willink
It's painful to like, like you said, look in the mirror and say, oh, these problems that I have are because of me and I'm the one that needs to fix them.
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Tyrus
But you can't maintain success if you can't be brutally honest with yourself.
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Jocko Willink
That being said, once you realize that you're in control now, you can take action to get some of those problems solved.
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Tyrus
What it is, this is Planet Tyrus. And let's just get right to it. We're not messing around today. Jocko Willink is joining us today. U.S. navy SEAL officer, podcaster, author, leadership instructor, entrepreneur, and co founder and CEO of Echelon Front. Jono spent 20 years in the SEAL teams, beginning as an enlisted SEAL and rising through the ranks to become a SEAL officer. During the Iraq war, he commanded SEAL teams three task unit bruisers in Ramany. Ramadi. Ramadi, yep. Where his unit supported U. S. Army and Iraq forces during one of the most intense battles of the war. He is a recipient. This is amazing. He is a recipient of a silver star, the bronze star and numerous other personal and unit awards. Jocko hosts the Jocko podcast with Echo Charles. What a cool name. Echo what? Echo. Where he discusses leadership, discipline, war history, business relationships, and personal accountability. And we're going to touch on some of those things today. So I'm very excited to have Jocko with us and we'll get started right now. First of all, thank you for your service, sir. Before we start, I like your resume. Is the word impressive doesn't quite do it justice.
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Jocko Willink
Well, it's an honor to be able to serve. Absolutely.
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Tyrus
I know you have to then be with pleased with the. Basically I hate to use it but the facelift of the armed forces during the current administration where, where recruitment's up, pride is back up and I think it's a better country when our military is healthy.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, no doubt about. I hadn't heard it described as a facelift before, but. But I'd say that that might be an accurate description. Although you know, a facelift implies that it's just, you know, something on the surface. But I think there is some core change that are going to hopefully last, last a decent amount of time.
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Tyrus
Well, I think what I, when I was coming up in high school, there was, there was, there was three options and it was sports and, or college or the military. And I was very close to the joining the army until I got a scholarship for football. Had I not, that's the direction I would have went. And that seemed to be a very solid foundation for a lot of young men, especially in my peer group. Maybe you didn't have the best circumstances, you know, at home or whatever, but there was opportunities out there. And somehow from the time from when I was a young man and now I'm old as dirt, there was this period where all of a sudden that was no longer considered a positive opportunity. And that always amazed me because not just the fact that you get to serve your company country, but at the same time it's going to open a lot of doors for you. Like if you didn't have a scholarship and you wanted to continue a higher education, the military has programs that will do that for you and have you set up for success, mature, probably a better student with the disciplines you learn. How did we, how did we get there? To where all of a sudden it became like, it was almost like, oh, that's all you can do. I mean that's, that's. We went from be all you can be to. Well, I mean, I guess, yeah.
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Jocko Willink
I don't know if I caught that, like, like a change in that for me, you know, growing up, I grew up in New England. Not a lot of people joined the military from where I'm from. It was kind of a rebellious thing for me to do to join the military. But what you pointed out, I can't emphasize enough and I tell people this all the time. The military is just such an awesome opportunity for, for young men and women that maybe they don't have the best options in front of them. Maybe they can't afford to go to college. Maybe they don't have any skill set that they're, that they're interested in and they need something to do and they need to earn some kind of living and you want to do something honorable. And to me it's always been an opportunity for people to go something, you know, you can graduate from high school and immediately have a full time job with benefits that is doing something that you can be proud of. So I think the military, I can't say enough good things about the military, what it did for me and what it did for countless guys that I know, countless guys that I know were on some kind of, you know, track that probably wouldn't have turned out too well for him and they joined the military. And you get this, you know, it's one of the, one of the things, you know, if you're a young man and you, you know, you're a young, aggressive kid like I was, you have this excess energy. A lot of people do negative things with that excess energy. Yeah, I know. I certainly was. And then all of a sudden you get into a place where you can take all that energy that you have and you can put it into something that's not negative, but positive. And by the way, they want you to be aggressive, they want you to be competitive, they want you to want to win. Those are all great attributes for military people to have. So I don't think there's a better spot for many, many young men. I won't speak for every young man, but I think most young men, when they get that opportunity and, and they're not sure what they're going to do and they can join the military, it's. It's outstanding.
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Tyrus
Because I remember, like I said, I went the, the college route because of sports. And one of my best high school buddies, a guy named Brian McTaggart, he was, he was. Sports really wasn't his thing. And he was kind of, he was always, he was always a smart ass, but he was an athletic kid. But he just didn't like. And when he joined the Marines, I remember when he went off and then I went off and when I came home from school to visit, one of the coolest moments was seeing him in his uniform. And he showed up, and he was showing up, we were all like having a barbecue and everyone was ecstatic. You know, it was just. You were so proud, like, hey, man, you did it. And he was like, he had his stripes and stuff. And I was like, man, you know, and he's like, how's college? Oh, it's cool, it's cool. But no, no, tell me, like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, man, I'm getting ready to. He's gonna get stationed somewhere overseas. And like, it was, it was just a really. There was, it was the same me coming home with my scholarship and all the accolades that went with football, American, all that stuff was the same love for a guy who came back, who compete, who completed his basic training, and he was an officer, so. And I think we, we're getting back to that. I think we're. Because it's one thing to say thank you for your service, but I think you. It also is I respect you for your service. And I think, I think respect and dignity is back.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, I'd agree. And you can see through the recruiting numbers. The recruiting numbers up are up for the first time in a long time. And there's no better indicator than that. Young people, they want to join the military because it's a respectful thing to do. So I think you're 100% right. I think we're moving in the right direction there now.
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Tyrus
Okay, so direction. Let's get your origin story. I always like to. You have, like I said, you have a lot of titles. You're. You're a CEO. You, Silver Star, Brown Star, numerous other awards. You have a podcast with Echo Charles and what. And you kind of touched on it. You were the, the, I would say the average young man who didn't really have a direction yet. A lot of energy, a lot of focus. You just had a whole. Your body just in. Ingested a whole lot of testosterone. You. You got your first man stuff. And that can be pointed in the wrong direction. Real quick. Was it. Was there one thing, one moment or one event in your life that made you go towards the military, or was it just something that just kind of happened?
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Jocko Willink
You know, when I was a little kid, the only thing, the only job I can ever remember actually wanting to have in my life was being some kind of commando. That's. I just remember when I whenever. The first time I saw little soldiers, you know, I had those little toy soldiers. I collected those things. I just wanted to be some kind of commando. I wanted to carry a machine gun. And then when I was like 14 or something like that, I realized you can actually get that for a job. You know, like, you can actually get that for a job. You can be a commando. And when I figured that out, it was pretty obvious where I, Where I wanted to go and where I needed to go. And again, one of the beautiful things about the military is when you show up there, you're a blank slate. And they don't care where you came from. They don't care what, you know, what economic class you came from. They don't care what your family was like. They don't care what sports you played or didn't play. Don't care about any of that. What they care is can you do the job that's right in front of you right now? And, and that's what matters. And soon as I figured that out, I was. I was in a spot. I started working very hard to try and be a good. You know, try to be a good seal, you know.
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Tyrus
So it was kind of one of those things where, like, you. The calling came early and the focus was there and you get through high school was that first day, you know, when you're standing there. Can you take us back to that? Because I remember my first time I had the helmet on. I was terrified. I was at practice and I was going, I don't even know if this is a good idea, you know? And was that for.
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Jocko Willink
What For. Was that for college ball? For high school?
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Tyrus
For high school. I remember my first high school football game. I think I spent more time telling the guy I was going against he was good. I think we both kept saying, oh, man, you're really good. You're really good, because you just. I was just trying not to be offsides. Every play, you know, it's just this. And then you realize that. And I was on defense at the time. I was like, oh, I have to tackle someone. But it was so fast, you know, Life. It was just. And then as you. And then as it goes by, everything kind of slows down. Yeah. You know, and then. And then the game kind of. Then all of a sudden you're. You're not. You're not watching the moment. You are the moment. And then when that came, then I was. It was the greatest place on. Being on the field was my happiest place on earth because it was the only place where you could be a complete monster, and you got high five for it, you know?
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. So, yeah, very similar to what I was saying. You know what we were. We were rewarded for being aggressive. And, you know, obviously you're going to get rewarded in football for being aggressive as well. You know, my first days of going to boot camp was there a little bit of a shock, maybe a little bit. But it's really.
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Tyrus
I just.
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Jocko Willink
I really enjoyed it, and I knew that that's what it was going to be like, and there's going to be yelling and screaming, and, you know, they really take away any personal privilege that you have of any kind of. And any individuality that you have of any kind. That's, you know, that's why they shave your head. That's why they put you all in the same uniform. That's why you're all sleeping, you know, right next to each other. That's why when I went through, like, the showers, open showers, the toilets, like everything's open, everything's just bare to the world. And there's a reason for that. They're just trying to make sure that your individuality, they're trying to get rid of it. Which is an interesting thing because as you, once you, once you incorporate into the actual military. No, that's boot camp. Once you get into the military, you know, you do have to. They want people to think for themselves. Matter of fact, that's a requirement of being a good military person. Is that you have ideas and you have initiative and you make things happen and you, you lead and, and so. But they do have to start you off with a little shock to the system because you know what? It is stressful and combat is going to be stressful and they want to make sure that you can, that you can get through that kind of stress. And that's why I think they put a lot of stress like that on you during the boot camp phase.
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Tyrus
So basically it's, they're growing accountability and pressure under fire. Literally. In some cases.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. And not only. That's a good point. It's not just personal accountability, which you certainly are going to need, but it's collective and meaning if you drop the ball Tyrus, and you don't do something correctly, you're not the only one that's going to pay for it. We're all going to pay for it. We're all going to end up doing push ups or whatever. And that's because in combat, if you don't do your job in combat, it's not just you that gets killed. You get a bunch of us killed too. So that's what, you know, just like in football, I'm sure they develop that they, you have to work together as a team.
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Tyrus
Right.
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Jocko Willink
And if one person fumbles the ball, everyone's going to pay for it.
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Tyrus
Yeah. Now the running back doesn't get kicked off the field and we get a new running back. But I also think that everyone always talks about the downside of. But here's the thing. Some of the greatest joys is when the group comes together and, and you, you accomplish something, you, you reach a goal together. That bond, that, that brotherhood, that stuff that like years after it's over you still have that like, you know, and, and life takes you where it takes you. And I'll have guys that I haven't literally talked to since I was in the huddle with and we'll run into each other and we'll one talk about the, the dumbassery and then we'll take those moments when, you know, remember that game when we were fourth and one and you made the call? That type of stuff builds you. I think it gives you so much strength for life without the team, you know, like, it's just, it's an intangible, I think.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. And if you look at what they do in the military, look, we just talked about boot camp, and you're going to go through hard things together and you're going to form a bit of a bond and then you go through, you know, basic SEAL training where now you're going through even harder things together. Yeah, you pick the doozy. You go to airborne school, you get closer, you go to, you go through your workups, you get closer and you keep doing hard things as a group together. Eventually go to combat together. And when you go to combat together, you know, that's the, that's as tight as I think human beings can get.
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Tyrus
Yeah. You know what, and what you, you became not just any Navy seal, one of, one of the most decorated and respected ones. What was when they came that time to make the decision? Was that something that you're like, I, this is what I want. Or was it, did you go through other like, maybe I want to do this, or maybe I want to do this or maybe I want to serve a different capacity. What. Or how does the SEAL program work? Are you hand picked or is it a volunteer thing?
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Jocko Willink
You just volunteer for it? And by the way, I'm definitely not one of the most highly decorated seals. There's guys are way more, way more decorated than I am by, by a long shot. I was, I was lucky enough to be able to serve in combat, but
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Tyrus
there's, I'm going to push back a little bit. Bronze and Silver Star again. Your humbleness is awesome. To a person who's never served, this is amazing. It's absolutely phenomenal. So, and I understand what those, what those are, Those are not things given up for participation.
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Jocko Willink
No, they're not. But there's definitely, you know, many people that sacrifice a lot more than I did in, in, in every branch. But the, the, the selection process for the SEAL teams is. Yeah, it' program. And so, you know, you go to boot camp and you take a screening test, it's a physical test, you take a, like a psychological test, and some kind of minimum ASVAB score, which is, you know, the, the, basically the IQ test for the military. And you pass those three things and you show up at, at basic SEAL training. And then, you know, you go through about six Months of being wet, cold, miserable and tired and beat down. And if you make it through all that, you go through another course of instruction, which when I went through is called SEAL Tactical Training. Now it's called SEAL Qualification training, but that's another six months of training. And then when you get done with that, you go to a SEAL team and, and you know, become a SEAL and then prepare with your platoons to go on deployments overseas.
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Tyrus
Now one of the things, one of the phrases that, that kind of goes when, when I was researching you, extreme ownership in a no accountability culture. That's a very powerful statement. I'm owning my shit when it's fashionable not to.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, that's the, that's the first book that, that, that we wrote when I, when I got out of the SEAL teams, I wrote a book called Extreme Ownership. And that's the very nature of it, is not making any excuses, not blaming anyone else or anything else when something goes wrong, but taking ownership of the problem and get it fixed. And it is very, very challenging and difficult when you first take that mindset because when you look around and you see that all the, you know, all the work problems you have, all the relationships problem you have, all the physical health problems that you have, all the financial problems that you have, all those problems, there's one common denominator and it's you and that, that can be very heavy. That being said, once you realize that you're in control now, you can take action to get some of those problems solved. So yeah, it's, it's definitely something that I recognized while I was in the SEAL teams. And the good leaders that I worked with or worked for or worked for me, they were people that took ownership. And the bad leaders that I worked for or worked with or worked for me, they were people that wanted to blame other people or other things when something went wrong. And when that happens, they don't change, they don't make any improvements, they don't make any adjustments. They never get better. Meanwhile, the person that's taking ownership is making adjustments and they're going to get
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Tyrus
better all the time, you know, because I always said victimhood is a disease, you know, and when you're, when you hit rock bottom, when you're not looking up to see who pushed you, it's a lot quicker just to do, to get your ass up because, you know, and it's one of those lessons that some of us learn as we go. Failure is usually the best litmus test to whether you have accountability or not. Because the Thing about failure is the roots for success. But you cannot reach those things unless you're honest with the guy in the mirror. I, you know, you might, you might have moments of it, but you can't maintain success if you can't be brutally honest with yourself. You know, like, oh, man, my wife made me talk to other people. You know, my, My, my wife, My wife is. We're broke because my wife wanted this. No, no, no, I. You did it. I spent too much. I did this. I. When you take the eye and that's the guy. And sometimes people will want to like, because victimhood is also contagious, you know, and, and that's something that I think in our culture now, a lot of that is from the success of our country, is that we can all be fat and complain. And you don't really have to work to get a meal of food. You don't have to really work that hard to get some form of a check. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have a pistol or a 20 bill, you can get. You're going to get a meal in the United States of America. So when you. And then you see these people that come along that are like, nope, it starts here and it ends here. That's not as contagious because you have to work for that.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. And like I said, it's painful. It's painful. Like, like you said, look in the mirror and say, oh, these problems that I have are because of me, and I'm the one that needs to fix them. It's a lot easier to look in the mirror and say, woe is me. I wish it. I wish all these problems didn't. Didn't happen to me.
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Tyrus
Why me? You know? Yeah, exactly. I, I, some of the things. Because in my. I grew up. I actually, I was, I was born in New Hampshire, but we lived in Lynn, you know, city of sin, don't come out the way you come in. But I had to get born in New Hampshire because my, my parents were. The age difference. He had been arrested in Boston for statutory rape. So they went to there and then I grew up. He was not in our life, and, you know, we moved to California. And a lot of times in all my football, whatever it is, wrestling, I run into guys who I knew, and they were like, man, if I would have had a father, you know, my life would have been. My dad wasn't there for me, and that's why my life didn't work out. And, and I. Absolutely. And I used to get pushback from this I have absolutely no pity for them because it's your. You're not dictated by your circumstance. You're dictated by your reaction and how you handle it.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. Yeah. You know, one of my guys that was. Was actually the first SEAL killed in Iraq, Mark Lee. And, you know, he was raised by a single mom, and he was a total warrior. I mean, absolute badass. And was as squared away as they come. Just. Just an incredible human being. And I'm sure he could have made a million excuses as to why he should behave in another manner, but he. He made no excuses and. And stepped up and was. Was an incredible human being. And it's just proof that, you know, making excuses versus taking ownership of what's going on in your world and doing the best that you possibly can. He's. He's a great example of that.
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Tyrus
Now, again, you have some great, great titles for stuff, Discipline, Freedom and the War Against Comfort. Because, you know, I always think I, I'm. I'm. I watch a lot of movies because traveling and stuff, you know, I would watch tons of movies, and I always loved that. That scene in Batman with Bane, and he was like, oh, victory has defeated you. You know, and it's like he got comfortable. You can never be too comfortable. You're like, I'm all for smelling your roses when you do something. Well, but you don't get to plant a garden.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah.
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Tyrus
You know what I'm saying? And explain a war, the war against comfort, because that is. That's just cool. I'm mad I didn't think of that.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, it's exactly what you said. You know, sure. You. You reach a certain point with something, you achieve something, and it's very easy to rest on your loyals or. Or sit there and start not just smelling the roses, but getting focused on the roses and not focused on what you got to do next to stay on top.
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Tyrus
Right.
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Jocko Willink
This is something we always had to keep in check in the SEAL teams and in the military is. Complacency is. Is right there. You know, it's right there. And if you're not careful, that complacency will get you killed. You know, there was. There was signs when you would leave base that said complacency kills because everybody knows that it's right there. And you think, Even you think that in combat, right? You think that in combat, hey, I'm going out on patrol. I'm going to. Everyone's going to be 100% focused.
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Tyrus
Right?
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Jocko Willink
But go out on patrol tonight, nothing happens. You go next night, nothing happens. You go three, four nights in a row, nothing happens. Guess what? We're human beings. We get complacent and we get comfortable. So having that nice, you know, I explained to people, now it's good to have a nice low level of constant paranoia, looking over your shoulders and making sure that you're doing the right things and making sure that you're making the right moves. Because if we get too comfortable, that's when we get caught.
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Tyrus
And for people who didn't serve that, complacency could be in the workforce. It could be in your marriage. Like, I'm already with her, so I don't have to take her out anymore. I don't have to give her flowers. I don't have to tell her she's beautiful. I'm fine. I'm fine. And then who. Who's Johnny? You know, like,
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Jocko Willink
you know, Johnny's the guy with flowers. That's who Johnny is.
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Tyrus
Yeah. You know, and that goes. And you talk about discipline and. And you have this great message, discipline creates freedom. I mean, I don't know how many memes you have out there, but I need about six of these just to put around my team, you know, because I'm definitely. I don't know how Fox would feel about me having a sign in my office. This is complacently get you killed. But you know what? I'll abbreviate it or something. But there is a great message, you know, discipline creates freedom. And I think a lot of people might not understand that.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, it's a little bit counterintuitive for sure. Right. We all want to have freedom in our lives. We want to all want to be able to do whatever we want. And probably the couple classic examples of this, number one is financial freedom. Right? Everybody wants financial freedom, of course, but the question is, how do you get financial freedom? Well, the answer is, if you want financial freedom, you have to have financial discipline. Right? You've got to have the discipline to work hard. You got to have the discipline to save your money. You got to have the discipline to invest your money. You got to have the discipline not to buy stupid things that you don't need. You have that kind of financial discipline, over time, eventually you'll get more freedom. And it's the same thing with, like, with time. Everybody wants more free time, right? Well, I need more free time. Well, how do you get more free time? You have more free time by having more disciplined time management, by having the discipline to make a schedule, by having a discipline to stick the schedule, by having the discipline to wake up early, to have the discipline not to do things and participate in things that provide you no value whatsoever and just waste your time. Like, you know, flipping through your. Your phone. You know, one more scroll through your phone to look at another video of a cat. Right.
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Tyrus
Or a person completely bullshitting their life. Exactly. No happy person posts their entire life because they're too busy living their life. Is the miserable who are putting awesome pictures up of, like, this is me and my family. But then you show up at their house, the kids aren't talking because they're on their scroll like that. The wife's upstairs in her room not talking to him, and he's staring at the ground going, I can't wait to go to work. Yeah, but. But hey, they got a great filtered picture of their family vacation in Aruba 10 years ago.
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Jocko Willink
So if you waste your time looking at that stuff.
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Tyrus
Exactly.
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Jocko Willink
You will have less free time. So you need to impose discipline on your time management. You'll end up with more free time. And, and that's. And this applies to anything, you know, anything that we do in life. If you want to have freedom, we got to have the discipline to get there.
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Tyrus
Now, the thing is this. You change comes from within. And a lot of. A lot of people who hear this podcast, especially men, will hear this and be like, well, I've already been not disciplined for so long. And, and take it from a guy who I went from, especially your first kind of success, you get your first real success, but you're not maybe mentally prepared for it. You know, like, you get to, like, your first big paycheck. And the first thing I thought of was, I gotta get a big chain to let everybody know I'm successful. I look back on that now and I'm like, you stupid. Some bitch. You just wasted eight grand on some shit that you did not. But there's those. But I look back at that, Those moments, and you think. And then I was like, every time something new, I had to have the newest Apple, whatever it was. Like, I remember a lot of my buddies when I was in. On the road and when I was wrestling, especially in the beginning of my career, like, Tyrus has everything. He's got the mon. He's got the screen where you can watch it on the car window. He's got all the new headphones, and he's got all the gadgets. And like, I liked being that guy. Like, oh, he has all the cool stuff and he's got the new this and he's got the new Jordans. And then I would look back at the end of the year and I'm getting ready to pay taxes, and I'm like, why am I broke? They're not paying me enough. The WWE's holding me down. And then I look back and I was like, no, dumbass, stop buying. And none of the stuff worked, like, over time. I cannot tell you anything I bought in the first years of what I would consider success that I still have.
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Harry
Yeah.
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Jocko Willink
I drove a 1997 Dodge Grand Caravan for 13 years.
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Harry
Wow.
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Tyrus
You're a better man than I am.
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Jocko Willink
Although at that time, I was in the Navy, I was house poor. I had bought a couple houses in San Diego, which was hard to do, and I just couldn't afford anything. And my, you know, my, My kids laugh about it. We would go out for dinner, like, on their birthday, we would go out for a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant. The fancy restaurant being Chili's, right?
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Tyrus
Yeah.
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Jocko Willink
Hey, as good as.
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Tyrus
I just had this argument with my wife, right? Because she won't go to Chili's now. Oh. And I was like. And I said to her, I said, you realize that our first dates were at Chili's. Remember? Two for one, strawberry margaritas. That was your jam, you know, like. And it was like Chili's. And then if you got really fancy, maybe we had Cheddar's, you know what I'm saying? Like, because Cheddar's had the fish tank. So it was a little, you know, you're like, oh, yeah, they've got a fish tank in there.
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Jocko Willink
So you're going big time.
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Tyrus
We're going big time. But there was a. A certain. And it was a once a week thing. We didn't go out. And then you get to a point, luckily, and you'll hear, like, complaining about the Ritz Carlton or some. And you're like. You realize that when we first started out, we were at a Holiday Inn Express. You know what I'm saying? But it's. But I think that's a. And. And we'll talk about the kids here in a second, because I think those messages. Because my first car was a Datsun that I bought. And at high school, the worst time in the 90s to own a white Datsun when you're six, seven and a half and have to climb in head first and basically do a vault to get in the thing, and then all your buddies are around the same height. And I was the only one with a car because I was the only one who got a summer job. And I remember like, and the tires, none of them matched. The. The brakes were, like, emotional. Some days they work some. But I remember being so proud. I remember. And it was. It was supposed to be white, but I would say it was more of an off white. You know, some of the fenders didn't quite match the color, but it was mine. And I remember sitting there at work, going. Pulling up at school, parking and taking out a towel and wiping off. And I remember one of my buddies was like, man, even Armor hall is not going to fix that. But it was mine, you know? And then I got to college out of Ford Bronco forever. Yeah. I didn't get the white one, though. I was. You know, there was a lot of heat on the white Bronco at that time. And. But. And then I. And as you move up, there's that pressure that you create to where you think you have to be at a certain level as a man, you know, And I think that gets a lot of young men in bad situations, you know, especially if they have a young family and they're comparing themselves to, like, unrealistic things, like the people you see on TV or. Or somebody that. That as a lawyer or doctor, and you're a guy who's just trying to find your way, I think.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah.
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Tyrus
And there really isn't an outlet for that. You know, it's like. It's when I see young. When I see young men who are kind of struggling, and I try to tell them, you're not struggling, you're building. But it's hard to reach them, because women are the ones that we all talk about in their feelings. But men's insecurities is quiet, you know, like, you feel like you're not going to say, hey, I don't feel like I'm achieving. I don't feel like I'm 27. I don't own a house. I'm late on my car payments. You know, my girl's always pissed off because we don't have anything. They won't go to somebody and say, hey, I need some advice. Can you help me? Like, they would rather fake it than make it.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. And it really just boils down to, you know, Americans aren't great at delayed gratification because when someone's 27 years old and they don't have a house, and. And then you go, well, cool. Let's come up with a plan. To buy a house. You're going to need a down payment, which means you're going to need to save for the next four or five years.
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Tyrus
Yeah.
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Jocko Willink
And they go, you know what? I'm rather, I'd rather just blow my money.
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Tyrus
Yeah, I'm going to Vegas with my buddies. I'm going to go to craps. I'll make my house money there.
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Harry
Right?
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Jocko Willink
So.
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Tyrus
So, spoiler alert. It never works out.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, it doesn't work out. The delayed gratification and learning that, that to think strategic, that's another real problem. I think that's, that's a problem that people have and certainly Americans and young men for sure is thinking strategic. Well, in the military, we call it thinking strategic versus thinking tactical. In the civilian world, they say thinking long term instead of thinking short term. You know, we just want what's going to make us feel good right now. And we don't delay that gratification. We don't think what's going to help us in the long run. So, yeah, something like buying a house. Buying a house is a huge step and it takes years of effort to put together that down payment and build up your credit. There's a lot of things you have to do. And then all of a sudden you're 33 years old or whatever this guy was that was 27, now he's 33 and he gets his first house. But he had to take steps to make that happen. It's not going to happen by its, you know, by itself. You have to make it happen. And a lot of times people have a lot a hard time seeing that, staying focused on that long term strategy. And, you know, they're supposed to save, you know, whatever, 2,000 bucks a month or 500 bucks a month. And 500 bucks a month. You know, you go out three nights on the weekend and that 500 bucks that you were going to save is gone.
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Tyrus
Right?
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Jocko Willink
And a lot of times, some guys, that's gone in two hours. Especially with drink prices being 12 bucks a drink or something.
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Tyrus
You're trying to impress a lady who's just there to get your drink, bruh.
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Jocko Willink
Exactly.
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Tyrus
You kind of bring it. And I'm just curious, when you transitioned from military life to civilian life, was that a difficult transition for you? Because I know it's. We hear about PTSD and things like that, but it's been kind of stolen by people who have no business using that term. You know, we even have Trump derangement syndrome. No, you're just a dick. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just don't. That's not a, that's not a syndrome. Was there a. And you, and you saw, I mean, you, you've Lost friends. You've been through one of the most intense battles in Iraq. Was it. Was that transition difficult for you?
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Jocko Willink
You know, one of the. One of the pieces of advice that I give to guys in the military is when you get out, you have to find a new mission, because that's what happens. It's the mission that goes like. Like, look, your friends are gone all of a sudden because you're working with your buddies all day, every day, and you all have a mission that you're trying to accomplish, and when you get out, that stuff is gone. So you have to. You have to find a new mission, and you got to stay connected with, you know, with your friends, and then you got to make new friends. But I. You know, probably about six months before I retired from the military, I had a friend of mine that owned a big company, and he wanted me to go and talk to his company about leadership. And when I did that, when I got done talking to his executives, he came up to me and said, I want you to talk to every division I have in my company. And he had, you know, as a nationwide company. So I started. As soon as I retired, I was out.
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Tyrus
He had a mission.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, I automatically had a new mission. And I think that's where guys get tripped up, is they don't. They don't have a new mission. They get out, they're not really sure what they're going to do, and they end up, you know, you know, kind of spiraling toward the. The path of least resistance, you know, which can oftentimes, you know, be drinking and doing negative things, sitting in your house all day and playing video games, like scrolling through the Internet and. And getting angry at other people that you see.
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Tyrus
Yep.
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Jocko Willink
Whereas if you have a new mission, I think military guys and girls, they get very focused on. They go, cool, this is what I'm doing now, and make it happen. And it doesn't really matter if it's. You want to be, you know, you want to start a business, you want to work for a business, you want to run a triathlon, you want to train jiu jitsu. No matter what it is, you get some new thing, you start focusing on it. That's what. That's what you need to do. You can't let your mind start to wander around because, look, everyone's been through some traumatic stuff, you know, whether you're in the military or not. Yeah.
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Tyrus
Everyone has a road, and every road's got bump on.
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Jocko Willink
Exactly. And if you focus on that, what happened in the past, and you dwell on it. There's another thing I say is, remember, don't dwell, right? It's. Of course I'll never forget my friends that, that, that I've lost. I'll never forget them. Of course I'll think about them every day, I'll think about them. But I'm not going to dwell on the past. They wouldn't want me to dwell on the past. They wouldn't want me to sit around and mope around and be sad that, that, that they're gone. They would want me to go and freaking get after it. And so that's, that's what I try
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Tyrus
and do every day, you know, and that's such a great message because again, you have some, some of the modern men purpose mental toughness and you kind of just kind of touched on all that. And I feel like, especially the pandemic, I feel like during the pandemic, young men from the ages of 16 to 19 kind of got lost in terms of. They lost the high school, they lost their, you know, something with sports or just being out there. And they, they spent their whole time indoors. And then this quality, this illusion of quality of their life has, has just set them back years because it's no longer like, I'm gonna work hard, save my money, buy my house, buy a car, whatever I'm gonna do. It was, no, no, no, I deserve all this now. I shouldn't have to work for it. And it's, it's demasculating. I. And it's infuriating because I have two sons that were caught up in that. My stepsons. And the hardest battle was trying to convince them. And I did it in my own unique way. Ms. Meal cramps are good attention getters to explain them that nothing is promised. Yes, it sucks. Your high school, the last two years, your high school, you didn't have it. I get it, okay? But it's over now. And you got to get back out there and you got to get a skill. I don't care what it is, you know, and one of my sons being a type 1 diabetic, his thing, well, I want to join the military. And it was like, that's unfortunately not an option. But there's nothing that says you can't be a sheriff. There's nothing that says that you, you can't go into security. There's nothing that says, you know, if you want to, there's things you can do. But we already knew that before the pandemic that, that wasn't an option. But you tried to find A crutch to excuse, you know, and it's like, and I preach accountability in my house all the time. And it does, you know, your own audience is your worst audience, you know, and trying to, especially boys. I got three boys and I got three girls and it's completely, it's completely different parenting. But the only thing that is the same is accountability. And it's a hard message to teach because all around you it's no accountability, even in education. That's why all my younger ones are homeschooled, you know, because it's so hard as, especially as a dad, a no nonsense dad who believes in things like consequences, you know, and not everything is, hey, buddy, I cannot stand that when I see a dad at a park and his kids acting out. There was a kid throwing dirt. Everybody his dad gets on puts his hands on his knees, like, hey buddy, I'm going to need you to stop throwing that dirt. And I lose my, and I'm like, what is, why, why is he doing that? Like, call him by, you know, use the dad voice, you know. And then of course, you know what the kid usually does? Throws it at him and then he's like, oh, buddy, I'm going to need you to express your words. And I almost be like, hot tag, bro, I'll take it from here. Look, you little bastard, you throw another dirt, you're going to eat it. Enough. Go sit on the bench and think about your actions. You know what I'm saying? Like, but does that, yeah, you tip. You're like, you're trying to raise strong kids in a soft culture, but it's like, it's, it's like tissue paper soft sometimes.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, you know, I, I, well, first of all, I got four kids myself. Three daughters, one son. They're all older now. They're all, well, we got one left in high school, senior in high school. Great, great kids. And I, I, A lot of the stuff that, that parents kind of went through, I didn't really go through. I really treated my kids like adults a lot of the time.
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Tyrus
Yeah.
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Jocko Willink
And that makes a huge difference. I tell parents all the time, like, you treat your kids like adults, you know, now listen, I don't scream and yell at adults and I don't scream and yell. I didn't scream and yell at my kids. My kids, but my kids understood that there was consequences for their actions. And I'm talking about consequences that I didn't even have to give out because life has consequences. Like you said, hey, being hungry, that that's a consequence yeah, you know, if you don't make. If you don't make your lunch, you're not going to eat lunch. And guess what? You're going to be hungry. So next day you go, you know what? I think I'm going to make my lunch. If you don't clean your room and put your laundry in the laundry basket. And now you don't have anything to wear except for stinky old clothes. Well, guess what? That's. I don't have to do anything.
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Tyrus
I don't even know what we very similar that way because I. You know. This summer Prime Video takes you back
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Jocko Willink
before Legally Blonde, before law school, and
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Tyrus
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Jocko Willink
Yep.
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Tyrus
And then if I see him on the ground, I'm burnt out. My mom had a horrible rule, and I. I lived in fear with it. If it's on the bedroom floor, it's trash. And I collected G.I. joe was my. One of my favorite toys. And again, one of the things today that, like, my kids can't believe, they think it's insane because I was telling him, because they'd be like, hey, dad, this new thing came out. Can I get it? And I was like, well, what are you gonna do for it? And they're like, I'm sorry, what? No, I want it. You're my dad. You're on tv. I want. I'm like, no. And I tried to explain. I said, listen, when I was your age, GI Joe was the my favorite cartoon and Sergeant Slaughter action figure came out. And you couldn't get it in stores. You had to get 4 proofs of purchase, which mean I had to buy 4 other GI Joe random ass action figures and understand on my allowance at the time, at $5 a week, GI Joe action figures were $4.89 plus tax, which mean I needed $5 and 4 cents to get it. And that 4 cents was rough because sometimes I had to borrow from my brother and he was worse than any bank. And I would get those four proofs of privacy. It would take me A month practically to get it done. Although I think I took some lawn mowing jobs to get my extra money. And then I have to write them a letter about how I want my Sergeant Slaughter action figure, my name, address, to have mom take me to the post office, mail it away. And in four to six weeks, my Sergeant Slaughter action figure would come and I would check the mailbox every day. And eventually I get complacent, I forget about it. And lo and behold, a Wednesday afternoon at 3:15pm when I got home from school, there was a little box that had my name on it. And I assembled every kid in my neighborhood for the opening. And I had my Sergeant Slaughter action figure. And it was the greatest feeling. And guess what? I still have him today because I earned him. All the shit I've been, all the places Sergeant Slaughter state. But. And I. And they look at me with just horror, absolute horror. So when they ask me for stuff, I will literally say, write me a letter, you know, get me for. And they'll be like, I'm not doing that. That's abuse. It's not. You know, and it just. But I think about those things that we take for granted now as parents, because I think the worst thing you can do is give it to them when they ask for it.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah. Yeah. I wrote a whole series of kids books called the Way of the Warrior Kid. And this is one of those themes that's in there. Kid wants a new bike, and his Uncle Jake, who's a, who's a seal, who's staying with him for the summer, says, yeah, you can get a new bike. How are you going to earn that money?
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Harry
You know?
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Jocko Willink
And they end up actually rebuilding an old bike and, and actually working really hard to bring the bike to life. So I put all these lessons for kids into the series of books that I wrote called Way the Warrior Kid.
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Tyrus
So I have picked it up.
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Jocko Willink
They'll get out there. Yeah.
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Tyrus
Now you, your career is amazing. You know, you're a CEO. I mean, that's pretty, that's pretty badass. Like, so you, you climb the corporate world. We spent so much talking about this stuff. You've raised kids. You've, you, you've, you've. Is what's next for you? Because a man like you, I don't feel is ever satisfied, is, you know, like you, you keep going. You keep going. You're running a company, you travel the world. Like, what's next for you? Like, is there. Does the word retirement scare the hell out of you? Is that even an option?
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Jocko Willink
Technically, I already retired from the Navy. Allegedly. But no, I got a bunch of stuff going on. You know, I got a, an awesome company called Origin, which we make clothes in America. We make jeans, boots, t shirts, hoodies. 100% American made, with 100% American made materials. We got four factories, two in Maine and two in North Carolina. We got almost 500 people working there. So that's an epic adventure that we're on. I got another company called Jocko Fuel. We make, we make, we make the best, cleanest supplements and energy drinks and protein shakes in the world. We're in over 50,000 stores across the. Across America. So we've got energy. What? Yeah.
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Tyrus
Can I see that again? Because I'm pretty sure I'm a.
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Jocko Willink
That's.
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Harry
Yeah.
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Tyrus
Okay. Yeah. Is that lemon?
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, that's. That's my iced tea. Lemonade, My personal favorite.
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Tyrus
Yeah, I'm a big iced tea guy. Unsweet. Unsweet iced tea. Arnold Palmer is absolute. But it can't be sweet iced tea. There's too much sugar.
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Jocko Willink
No, that's too much sugar. So I got that going on. You know, the, the book, the Warrior kid books that I talked about were made into a movie. The movie comes out November 25th. It's a Skydance Apple production. It stars Pratt as Uncle Jake. And that's going to be, you know, it's, it's a. I've seen the movie, you know, I've seen the edits. It's. It's a beautiful, great, incredible movie that's really going to convey a great message to kids about everything that we've been talking about. So I think that's going to be helpful. And then, you know, you already mentioned Ashlon Front, which is my leadership consulting company, which is sort of where all this stuff started. I took the leadership lessons that I learned inside the military and started teaching them to civilian companies, civilian teams, and it's really just become a huge organization. And we do, we do events all over the world on a daily basis. You know, I've got a bunch of, a bunch of instructors and consultants that work, work with me now. And they're working, you know, they're working every day. They're out there teaching people leadership right now.
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Tyrus
So now if someone's looking for information for any of these things, because I think I want to pick up the, the kids book. And, and definitely if you guys get any 3x or 2x long talls, I'd like to check us them out because jeans are always. My wife prefers I wear jeans instead of my Sweats all the time.
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Jocko Willink
So we, we would legit have to custom make them for you.
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Tyrus
Yeah, I figured that you're a little
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Jocko Willink
bit, maybe give us a, give us another year or two, you know, as
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Tyrus
we continue to grow and I'm not the mold. They didn't think of me when they made airplane seats, cars, shoes, etc, so. No, no offense taken. It's a point of pride actually. It's a point of pride. But the energy drink's phenomenal. I have had it several times and now hopefully you can get. So we can get all the information we can put up where people can get a hold of that stuff. Because I definitely would like to get the book. I got a 14 year old who's playing travel baseball and he's training every day and he's a straight A student but. And I always like look for positive things for him to do and to read and so it's a good thing. And I got my, my, my baby who's 12. She, she jumps, she's. I'm a horse dad. So that's why I'm getting my hustle on. Yeah, I wish I would have met you before that because you could have gave me some advice on that one. I should have told her she was allergic. But you know, she's got zone championships, she's 12 years old, she jumps, she jumps a meter. Meter 10 for speed, for time, none of the fancy pageant stuff. And she's traveling all over the United States. And so it's like you're always looking for stuff for them to reinforce because it always doesn't work when it comes from mom and dad.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah.
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Tyrus
And it's nice for parents to have a base to where it's not just hyperbole, it's not just dad being mean. Look, this is. And what a great title, you know, so. And we can, we'll have all the information up to where we people can take a look at it.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, absolutely. And, and you know, interestingly in the book it's not the dad that's giving advice, it's the uncle. And that's for the very reason. Well, two reasons. One of them you just said, which is people don't listen to their dads. I know I didn't listen to my dad on a bunch of advice they let. But they'll listen to other people. And also, you know, I wanted to have a book where, you know, there are a lot of kids that don't have room.
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Tyrus
Yeah. And that's a great, that's a great circumvent. You Know, because everyone home is different.
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Jocko Willink
Yep, exactly.
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Tyrus
And, you know, it might be an uncle. It might be. In my case, it was a neighbor, you know, who. Who seen us outside. He was like, hey, kid, you know, you should play baseball or you should play football. I can't afford it. Well, I got a yard and a car that needs to be washed once a week. Maybe we can work out a deal. That's awesome. And so, again, thank you so much for joining. Now, listen, before I let you go, Harry on the B team part of this thing, he's a big fan, and he was hoping he could ask a couple questions.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, absolutely. We chatted a little bit before you. Before you got here.
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Tyrus
And the discipline thing and accountability. That'd be a great conversation for you guys to have. Absolutely. Great conversation.
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Jocko Willink
Right on.
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Harry
Hello again, Jocko.
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Jocko Willink
All right, man.
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Harry
I appreciate you taking the time. It'll be very brief. Tyrus gives me the opportunity to chat a little bit with the guests, and I wanted to talk a little bit. Thank you for your service. Start off. It means a lot. I have family who serve, and it's really, really cool what you're doing now. So appreciate that. So I wanted to start this off with a little story. Okay. So I was listening to your podcast, and I thought about starting Jiu Jitsu. I was like, something I thought about doing. I stopped playing lacrosse when I was in college, and I needed something else to stay active. And I remember I was like, maybe I should get into a martial art. And I looked up, what are the best martial arts for self defense. I was like, if I'm going to do different martial arts, I feel like that should be the direction that I look for. And the two that I landed on were Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu. And I joined a Muay Thai gym. And then I signed up to do a dry a trial class at a Jiu jitsu gym. And I drove to the place. It was on a Sunday morning, and the parking lot was completely empty. Like, no one was in there. And I was like, this doesn't seem like the right place. There's not signs or anything. I'm just gonna get out of here. And so then I left the parking lot was at the stop sign. I was like, let me just take one more loop. Just. Just to see, you know, I took one more loop, and there was one guy in the driveway, and he was like, are you here for Jiu Jitsu? And I was like, yes. He was like, all right, come on in. And then, like, the trajectory of my life like changed from there. So my question to you is like, if there's someone who is like Jiu Jitsu curious, like they've thought about it, maybe they've heard you talk about it, maybe they've heard Rogan talk about it, what's like one piece of advice you'd give to them?
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Jocko Willink
Every single. I've heard this story so many times from different people and, and the common thought, the universal thought is, you know, it took me three years of hearing you talk about it before I started, it took me four years, it took me two years, it took me five years. And I wish I would have just started. So if you, if you have, if you're thinking about Jiu Jitsu, I promise you, you will regret every moment that you didn't start training. So don't wait anymore. And if you're feeling a little bit uncomfortable about it, just remember there's new people, new guys are walking into the Jiu Jitsu place every single day. And there's going to be two or three people that don't know what the hell they're doing, just like you. And you're all going to live and you're all going to get better and it's going to be great for you. So stop waiting and go start training.
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Harry
Do you notice that among everyone who tries, there's one common experience? Like for me, I remember the first class that I went to, I was like a 200 pound college athlete. Like I played lacrosse, I was like, I'm an athletic guy. Like, I'm like, all right, like I could figure this out. And this 60 year old, 140 pound guy named Vlad, shout out to Vlad. He was from Russia and he tapped me like 15 times in like five minutes. And I was like, I'm, this is what I do and this is what I do. Now what do you think is that like one experience that, that people have that kind of draws them into it?
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Jocko Willink
I think what you just said is the most common experience. And unfortunately there's two reactions to that experience. One experience is the. The one experience is the what you and how you and I reacted to it, which was when I first got tapped out a thousand times by somebody, some guy that I didn't think would be able to do it. I said, what is this magic does this guy know and how do I start learning it? The other reaction that people have is my ego just got hurt and I want to stay as far away from this as I possibly can. So I don't recommend that one. You know, that's like if you can't swim, you don't learn how to swim. Like if you ever fall into the water, you're going to die. So let's learn how to swim, let's learn how to fight, let's learn some Jiu jitsu.
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Harry
On that topic, a lot of people may not understand, like, the combatives training in the military. Would you mind laying out like a basic understanding of what the current training is and if you were to change it to make it better there, you
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Jocko Willink
know, the combatives in the military. So the army has modern army combatives. The Marine Corps has Marine Corps. I think it's Marine Corps, it's mcmap. So I think it's also Marine Corps, modern Army. Anyways, the Marine Corps has a program. The army has a program, special operations kind of in the army all kind of follow the same combatives program that the big army using originated from the special operations side anyway, so it's all good. The Marine Corps program, solid. The, the Navy has been through all kinds of iterations of various types of training. And where it is now is where it kind of should be, which is it's, you know, an MMA based combatives program where, you know, the base of jiu jitsu, boxing, Muay Thai and wrestling. Knowing those things and how to, how to utilize them and how to utilize them when you have gear on and how that gear comes into play, how having a weapon comes into play, you know, retention and, and prisoner handling, all those things are all sort of under the umbrella. I mean, if you can, if you can roll somebody up in Jiu jitsu, that gives you a huge advantage of being able to try to detain them. So, and very little differences, they're small differences, but having that base knowledge is what they're looking for. And they've come a long way in the military. And that's all thanks to, you know, it's all thanks to the ufc. It's all thanks to the Gracie family. The Gracie family really opened up, you know, started the UFC and got people to see for the first time that some of these magical, mysterious martial arts didn't actually do anything. And you had to learn how to fight for real. So that's kind of where we're at now.
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Harry
Magical is a good way to put it because like, when, when everyone saw hoist just like choking everybody out, people were like, the, the most reasonable assumption at that time was this is magic. Like, people were like, like, didn't understand, like, how is this giant Ken Shamrock dude, like tapping to dehoys the Last finishing segment that I wanted to do with you. I call this the good segment. Okay. So everyone knows, like that motivational clip of you giving some circumstances to people that they may see as unfortunate, but you say good and you flip it. So if you don't mind doing this with me, I'll give you some circumstances and then you can hit us with a good. And then how you would flip it. Okay. Your car broke down.
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Jocko Willink
That's it.
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Harry
This is the first one. There's multiple.
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Tyrus
Like.
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Jocko Willink
Like your car broke down. And you're gonna complain to me about that?
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Harry
This is not me. This is a general person. This is a fake person.
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Jocko Willink
Oh, a general person.
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Harry
So I say. I say your car broke down. You hit it. Good.
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Jocko Willink
Yeah, Good. Well, now you know that there's a problem with your vehicle, and you can get that thing fixed up so when a critical moment arises, you'll have a vehicle that's reliable. Next.
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Harry
Your wife left you for the milkman.
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Jocko Willink
Awesome. Well, at least now you know that she's unfaithful. And you can do the corrective measures to get things aligned in your life, get your financial situation sorted out, and you can go find somebody that actually cares about you.
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Harry
You ate too many nachos with refried beans. You're having some digestive issues.
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Jocko Willink
Good. It sounds like you needed a little bit of a day off to rest and make sure recovery and get ready for leg day, which is tomorrow.
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Harry
You need a good podcast to listen to. There's times where you're driving, you're commuting, you're like, oh, what do I listen to? I can figure it out.
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Jocko Willink
There's too many podcasts out there right now anyways. How about you just drive in silence
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Harry
and think and listen to the air conditioning? Jocko, thank you so much for joining the show. It's been an absolute pleasure. It's really cool.
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Jocko Willink
Thanks for having me, man. Good to meet you.
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Harry
Nice to meet you.
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Jocko Willink
Right on.
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Tyrus
Every act of change begins with a neighbor. With someone saying, we take care of each other.
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Jocko Willink
Here in food banks and food pantries,
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Tyrus
neighbors pack fresh food and dignity into
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Jocko Willink
every box, moving food, food from farms
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Tyrus
to families through Feeding America's nationwide network.
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Jocko Willink
So when that box reaches a home,
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Tyrus
it carries more than food. It carries a promise that together, we can end hunger. Feeding America, led by neighbors Give now to end hunger@feedingamerica.org.