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What it is. Welcome to Planet Tyrus. And yes, you are feeling the power of the gravitational pull that is Planet Tyrus.
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Very excited today. Very exciting show today. With me, joining me today, very special guest, the one, the only Sage Steele who actually has a major announcement. So we're going to talk about her major announcement today and what life has been like for her. Sixteen years on the mothership known as espn. And now she is braving the brave, crazy world of the independent journalists doing a ton of things and again has a major announcement. So looking forward to that. So without further ado, the one, the only Sage Steele.
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You look great.
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A
Thank you.
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B
How do you feel?
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I feel. I still feel old. Still. Like I'm still. This is the first year that I can say that I felt the change, the when. And again, this isn't the menopause thing. It's a man thing. Yeah, I don't really that word. The change is like when you physically know you can't do the things you used to do anymore. And it was proven to you privately by yourself. Just something simple like fly. And you go to reach for the fly and the fly's like, oh, someone has needs to tell you. So this was the first year that I started to feel the effects.
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B
How old are you?
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52. And I. It's like a weird thing when you, like, feel it, you know, and you have to accept certain things because for a long time I think. I think this is probably true for a lot of people and not just sports, but entertainment you kind of think is forever. You kind of. You don't. Because you're on TV every day, you don't feel like you age, you know, like you just. And then life reminds you, like. Yeah.
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B
Because when you look back, it's very humbling.
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A
Yes. And that's kind of what I've been. This year has been about for me is it is.
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B
I always heard that there's. You, like. It's like how all of a sudden you wake up one day and you need reading glasses. It's the same thing with your body. And I definitely need reading glasses now. And I'm doing the bottom of my nose things I said I would never do. And I don't know when this airs, but I'll be 53 at Thanksgiving. And so we're exactly the same. And I. It's my back. That's what it is.
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Lower back.
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B
Lower back. It's been that way for about 10 years, but not to this level. And then I'm on the road now more than I've ever been in my life. So. These damn hotel room beds.
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A
Yes.
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B
Like that's a thing. And I travel and I flew in today from Nashville. I travel with the neck pillow, but I put it lumbar.
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A
There's a lumbar pillow.
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B
I know.
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A
Roman. No, Roman reigns. Found it.
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B
Oh, really?
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You inflate it and you put it in the small of your back. It's probably the most sought after, but you lose it all the time because you get up trying to catch the next flight and you leave your lumbar back. Yeah, that lumbar spot is. Is worth his weight in gold. There's things you can always. I just gave up because I kept losing mine all the time. But yeah, because you sit in the chairs and then the worst thing is when someone leans back. I don't think should be any leaning back in chairs.
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B
I think I feel like we might have argued this once before. And I think that there shouldn't be until I want to, you know, and then I'm like, no, I don't know.
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Because I'm a man, we tend to think in more. I would just rather everyone be comfortable than for me, it's murder. Once the chair comes back, it's first class is over. And you're not short.
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B
Yeah, no, I'm almost six feet tall. Yeah, but even first class, it's not good for you.
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A
No, first class has changed anyways.
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B
That's true.
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Because apparently it's a crime to be in first class. It used to be a glorious thing where you had your own boarding group. Like now boarding first class. And everyone would applaud you for you.
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B
Oh, yes.
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You know, like you're looking at their first class one day that could be you. Now it's like zone one with the. The oppressive class. If they want to get like all.
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B
The girls that were traveling in pajamas and.
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A
Yeah, well, yeah, luckily I still. Fox is nice and let me fly Delta and United, so I don't have spirit issues.
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B
I did spirit once, twice. Oh, it was a desperation thing. And I did upgrade and buy the big seat. You know how it's printed on the back where the headrest is. And then I was sitting next to a Delta pilot at an airport during a delay, started chatting and he started talking about safety and all the, you know, more recent delays. And he said, listen, there's only one airline that I would never let my family fly on and it's spirit. And I was like, excuse me. Like you think that they're all pretty equal, you know, okay, maybe the seats aren't as nice, whatever. Like, certainly Delta, it's hard as a rock. Maybe that's why it's less expensive. No, he said because two things. They have fewer bodies on staff to keep the maintenance of the plane up, which is a problem.
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A
Kind of a big deal.
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B
And their pilots require the fewest amount of training hours in the air. So those are two kind of good reasons, in my mind, not to be cheap on Spirit, Even though, not to.
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Mention, you also will get in your own free fight video on X if.
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B
You'Re on Every Spirit every time.
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A
Why, you know, being life on the road is. It's because you were a staple 16 years.
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B
Yes, sir.
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A
You were a staple at ESPN, and it was pretty monotonous, you know, I mean, you traveled, covered big events. I mean, you were one of their stars. And I would argue, I don't think they've duplicated it, but at least it was kind of stationary to a certain extent.
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B
Yeah. For a while. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. Now you are wherever. Wherever they call you have to roam. Like, which. Which life did you like? The stability of.
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Sleeping in your own bed every night.
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Yeah. When you host a show, it's a schedule. It's a set schedule. No matter which show I was on through the years, it was pretty much a set schedule. And I loved that because I got to do different things. I got to host SportsCenter. I got to take Sports center on the road to the NBA Finals or the Masters of the World Series, and, like, amazing things. The best memories of my career for sure, so far. And I also had babies, and you know what that's like. So to me, I needed the stability while still living the dream. And when I started there, My kids were 11 months old, 2 and 4, back in 2007 when I started. So I was like, I don't remember much. It was survival mode because the age of my babies and trying to adapt at the worldwide leader, which was a lot more cutthroat than it is now. I'll say that they're much less picky now, you know, and so it was perfect for that phase in my life. All three of my kids are out of the house now. Two in college, one graduated college. So I know, and it breaks my heart, but it's also the perfect timing for everything that's happened. It's really a God thing. I view all of it to have had the huge career change when I left Disney ESPN two years ago and then stayed in Connecticut for another year to get my youngest out of high school. And then after that, I certainly have no reason to stay in the state of Connecticut. Got the heck out really fast. So it is kind of perfect timing to say, all right, where do I want to go? Most importantly, want. The word want.
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A
Yes.
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B
Like, now I get to make the decisions. Who do I want to talk to?
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A
That's what I'm betting on. Yourself and that freedom. It's a little scary at first.
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B
Yeah.
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Like, it's a friend. Like when I. 10 years WWE. And I remember that first day where I was like, okay, now what? You know, where you just don't really. Because everything is laid out for you, you know? And then now, all of a sudden, now you're. You're trying to, like, blaze your own path, and now you've done that.
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B
It's crazy.
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Do you.
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When you think about the. Have you gotten to a place now where you just look at the fun times at espn like, you've. You. You know, because you weathered that storm.
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B
Yes, you.
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A
You did. You came out on top. And I. It's very similar, like with. I could always be bitter about wwe, things that I. That I didn't accomplish, that I wanted to accomplish or whatever. But then you get to a point where you've worked through all that stuff, and all you look back is you see, like, the moments like you talked about, like, yeah, I was. I was calling the NBA finals, you know, like, you don't think about the BS anymore. You just think about it.
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I still do, but here's why. Not out of bitterness, because I'm really at such peace. I actually was even at that moment, and sad and hurt, but not, like, angry. You know, that. I think it's a very.
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A
Well, because also, you were standing for principle.
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Correct. That's why I knew it was the right thing.
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A
You didn't up.
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B
Exactly.
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You know what I'm saying? You were like, trying to press conferences going, hey, okay, that's not what happened. I said five cuss words because it was on the. It was a teleprompter. It was.
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Larry, I had to read it.
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A
Yeah. You know, it wasn't that.
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B
You're right. It was principals. It was principles.
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A
So it's a little bit different. But at the same time, it's also scary because principals don't pay the bills.
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B
No. And that's why so many people stayed quiet for so long and still are at ESPN and in any industry, because there's still that very real fear of getting shut down, getting canceled, losing your paycheck. So it's. It's. I. I try to strike a balance between Understanding that and having empathy for it, because I have lived it and I get it and it is real. Especially if you are a parent.
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A
Right.
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B
And you better know what your line is. And you have to at some point make a decision between principal and paycheck. And unfortunately, it seems to be very black and white. I had to make that decision, even though it was freaking painful. I knew in my gut then when I decided to sue Disney and ESPN while I was still on their airwaves every day, which is insane thinking back, but, oh, my gosh, I lost ten pounds. I was not a healthy person physically and really mentally, because it was so scary knowing that by doing this, you're throwing away this career that you've built up and this, I mean, achieving the dream. And I was there and beyond. But, yeah, principle matters. And especially I think, as we get, as we age. And then you're like, you know what? No more bs. So to your question, the only reason I really think about some of the craziness is because they continue to make stupid decisions. Espn, oh, yeah. And headlines with stupid decisions, stupid comments, stupid, like, boneheaded stuff. And so therefore I'm asked about it a lot. And now I have the freedom to give my opinion on it. And obviously I'm one of the few that was there for a long time.
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A
And left successful after you're like, you had the divorce and you married up.
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B
I did.
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So people will ask you, you know, because if you get divorced and things don't go well for you, you can't critique the other side. You can't critique ESPN because they're like, well, where is she at now? You know, where. Where have you been able to reinvent yourself? So now you can look back, try not to punch down, you know, but at least you're in a situation to where. And I say that because the best revenge is success and a smile. It really is when, when people, when you succeed in stuff or when you, when you stand up for your values, your principles, you bet on yourself. There's not a better satisfaction of feeling like I have. And it's like, it just kind of hits you where you're like, they do not affect me one way or the other at all. And that's not just with jobs, that's with people too, where someone, Their day affects your day, and then you get to a point where nothing. They don't bother you anymore. Their stuff doesn't bother you anymore.
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B
Yeah, I think it's a. It's a. It's a choice. It's a deliberate Decision. That is probably the hardest thing, because you have to be okay being disliked.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You have to be okay with people putting you in the box. That is maybe unfair, but the box.
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A
Because the original box was, you know, you were. Well, obviously, because you leaned conservative and you leaned your religious values, so your blackness, obviously, was gone immediately.
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B
Oh, gone was put in the box. Do you know how many times on Twitter, like thousands of times, I've been told that I was uninvited to the barbecue?
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A
Yes.
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And like, all the things it cracked, I was like, what is that? Because we're the only group.
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Only group that gets it taken away.
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Seriously.
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Can't give it away, but, boy, they don't take it away. So you never, ever see, like, Chinese people get an argument and one of the Chinese people, nope, your Asian car's gone, bro. You messed up now.
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Hispanic.
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And whom or what are we supposed to be when it's gone?
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The Jewish car? Like, all of these things.
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Italian.
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It doesn't happen. It's so funny.
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It's just like. That's the meanest thing to say, is like, you're not. Wait a minute. According to you, the most. We're the most oppressed group on the planet and can't do anything without the. Without the help. But at the same time, as soon as we start doing something or have original thought, I'll need that. I always love when they try to take my black card.
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B
Black card. Yes.
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A
Well.
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And of course, because if you're a little lighter and then you're viral, there's.
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Okay, anyone's DNA on this. In this, there's a reason why it's called African American. Go to Africa, do DNA test over there and see. You'll see some differences.
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Correct?
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Quite a few.
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Big time.
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Yeah. Even the bluest of us over here aren't blue enough.
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The bluest. You know what, though? You know what I decided. As for that cookout, like, I was there, and then you uninvited me. I want reparations, like I do. I want payback for being uninvited to the. How can you be honest with you?
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I wouldn't have went because I can't stand people.
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So humans. I don't like humans.
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But no, I'm just saying, like, at. Like, at cookouts and stuff, because people show out, they do too much, and I'm always going to be the one. I'll have the cooler and everything and the family, and we'll take 10 steps and I'll see Uncle Jerome doing something like, this is why we don't come. Turn around. This is why.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
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I'm sorry, I can't do this. I have a career. Like, you know, so.
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But you know what, though? Like, I do. And I know you do, too. I assume I get a lot of quiet support from people who look like us.
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It's getting louder.
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It is. Especially in the last year. Especially. And I talked about this a million times. When Barack Obama went in October 2024 and scolded black men, I think in Pittsburgh, for not lining up with Kamala, people were like, wait a minute. Really? And where have you been? And where were you sitting outside of Chicago for eight years during your presidency? Well, we know where he's been the last few years, and that's helping run the country before Trump got back in. So, honestly, I really am so disappointed in so many people for taking so long and for then making it about race, choosing to divide, choosing to raise space for the ones who are.
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A
What bothers me the most about President Obama is.
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The. You can't get next to him. You can never ask him a question, never do an interview with him. Like, he is the most. Like he was, should have. He was supposed to be the first and the best of us. And a lot of people didn't vote for him. Not necessarily because the color of his skin. They liked his message. It was his message that united hope and change. Yeah, but he did. Whether what he did with it afterwards is irrelevant. But he lost his way because he's now con. They've allowed him. They've ruined what was supposed to be the first. I hate the first shit anyways. But like you are now saying it was only because of your pigment that you were elected. Not the lawyer in Chicago, not the guy who worked his ass off, not the guy who had the. The next level speech, not the guy who beat a war hero. Yeah, John. The great, late John McCain. And all these things you've done, you have reduced it to. You should have voted for them because they're black. You realize that you just cannibalized yourself. And that bothers me.
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It saddens me because I really. Even though I never voted for him either one of the two times he ran, I absolutely wanted his success. Because if you don't, then please leave my country. Because whoever the commander in chief is.
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Regardless of whom they are, please, this idea that it's not my president. No, it is.
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B
It is. And now, are there certain things we're.
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A
Not always gonna win? Like I voted for Obama twice. I Voted for Trump three times. Three times.
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B
You voted for Obama twice?
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Yeah, the first time I did it, it was, it was. Felt like it was duty.
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B
Yeah.
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But it was, it was tough. McCain. I, I didn't McCain and, and Obama. I kind of looked at it like I could live either way. You know, I, eh. You know, I might not like a couple things, but I could go either way, you know. And I think that was the last election that I felt like that where it was like with Trump in Hillary, it was this way or that way. There was no, you know, but Romney in 2017. Romney just rubbed me the wrong way. His delivery was too slick. Awful. He just, he didn't. I always felt like he tried to be something that he wasn't. Like if you're a devout Mormon and you're physically responsible, just be that guy. Let us make that decision. Whenever he opened his mouth and tried to be talking about things outside culturally of his purview, he was horrible and he just, he wanted to come off one way and he came off another and he just, he didn't. I just feel like he was all over the place where Obama always had a message, but I didn't. Obama, I never felt was ever.
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In any problems with Romney ever.
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Any what?
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I never thought he was ever in any danger with losing. Never.
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Well, to me the turning point, because it was closer than people thought it would be, if you recall. And then Superstorm Sandy hit here in New York.
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Yes.
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And. And then he's having romantic walks on the beach. What it was it Obama and Chris Christie after the storm hit here. I don't, I don't remember that storm was the, was the turning point because it was this massive disaster in the, in the, you know, one of the greatest cities in the world, certainly the largest city in our country. And then he's going to be the Uniter this time and bring everybody back.
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And they got. But they. He did. Whether you like Obama or not, the brother can speak. What bothers you.
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He can read. Tyrus. There's a difference between speaking and reading.
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A
Saw that with Kamala.
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That's what I'm saying. Well, for sure. But he is a great teleprompter reader.
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Yeah. He can go.
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If you go one on one, it's a completely different delivery.
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We never see it.
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B
But even if you do it.
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But what bothers me is like why would he not. And again, I guess we got spoiled because the current president would sit down with someone like me and have a conversation and it doesn't have to be me. But I'm just saying, Officer Stan, why does Obama never sit down with conservative brothers to have a conversation? Like I just, it's always in a.
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He doesn't have to tyrus because the media was always in his back pocket. Like he doesn't have to. You know, if this were reversed and Trump were acting that way with the mainstream media, they'd be crushing him every day for it. So they have to find other ways. But he, Obama doesn't have to. He was, you know, the, the person. Like the, what's the phrase? The.
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A
Well, he was there. Lightning in the bottle. Like he just didn't know what to do.
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B
Like the perfect child almost. He could do no wrong. And so he didn't have to. But I was always so shocked to see the difference between teleprompter Obama and one on one Obama and a lot of, you know, filling the pauses with empty words.
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Yes.
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B
And it was. So that's why he's smart. That's what he is. You don't do things that you're not good at. And he's very smart in every way.
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A
Because I guess that's what bothers me the most about the like in gut feel. The other night they were saying that Michelle Obama recently said like the, they're not ready for a woman. And I was like, no, no, no, no. No one's ready for a woman. No one's ready for a black man, no one's ready for a white man. If that is the only thing they're selling to be in leadership.
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B
Correct.
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If, if the pigment of my skin is my greatest quality. You're a bad choice to vote for.
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B
Correct.
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So it should just so happen this great person who has all these great leadership just so happens to be a woman who cares. Just so happens to be gay. But who cares. It just so happens. If they are good at what the job and they can explain it to us without us having to, to talk to, chat, GPT or whatever, then if they can burden us by what has been, then it would be. I would be appreciative. But it just seems like identity politics. They just hold on to it so hard. But it doesn't, it doesn't. Hit. It doesn't hit. I don't feel like it hits.
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B
People are starting to. I think people have really begun to see through it. People saw what happened over the last few years of Obama, of Biden's presidency and even though it was very obvious to anyone with a brain that there was something lacking. And I say that in a, like a sad I talked a lot about.
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It in my book. Like just watching. Like you're watching a deterioration.
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B
Yes.
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A
Of a human being.
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B
It's terrible.
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A
And I made mention because I said it very easily could come off to where I'm making fun of.
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B
Yeah.
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Biden. I'm not. I said I'm appalled by his family.
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B
That's. I've been saying that from day one by his wife.
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A
You could send him out. Now, two things now.
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He was. These are my opinions. He was a bad husband. Maybe he wasn't a great person. And usually your family treats the man how he treated them in his good years, in his elder years. So my thing is, if. Why would you send him out there like that if you cared about him? Because if, you know he can't go anymore, you know he's embarrassing himself, like you should care. But they were just. I mean, they would have. It just felt like they were like, go out there.
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B
Greed. Yeah, Greed. And when I saw, you know, Dr. Jill literally helping him across stages and upstairs, I was angry at her.
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Yeah.
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Because I was like, that is her husband. And you are. You took vows to protect her. Each other. Husband and wife goes both ways. And when you continuously do that, remember after that debate, and then she stood up at the mic and she's like, you know, Joe, you did such a good job. Like, again, it breaks my heart. It's an embarrassment. Maybe most importantly, when you put the human element second for a moment, I feel so lucky. We should feel so lucky that, that last year, even if you just say the last six months of his presidency, that nothing happened on a large scale, some sort of terror attack to this country because it was a mess in Washington, D.C. who was running that country? Who was protecting us? We saw the auto pen. She was all over the place. And whatever she wanted. She wasn't helping run the country as the vice president. And so again, we go back to Obama. But I just feel so lucky that we were okay and that handoff went well. And then the second Donald Trump took office, I mean, he hasn't stopped.
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A
No. And I would push back a little bit. I think the opening, I mean, basically the floodgates of the border. We didn't get a giant terrorist attack.
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B
Yeah.
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But we, we are having.
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B
Well, in the traditional sense.
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Correct.
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We didn't get a 9, 11.
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When you, when you unload your jails.
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B
Yeah.
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And your psych wards. And basically the other countries, just, basically, they, they pulled the Scarface on us. They just got rid of the worst of their worst drug tracking. 300,000 children. We've only gotten 24,000 back. I mean, that's a lot of babies.
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Imagine how they were laughing at us like, these idiots are letting all of our worst humans come across the border. So I agree. And a different form of terrorism. Absolutely. So I'm just grateful. Now listen. Is it perfect now? No, absolutely not. It's not perfect. But I would take this.
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I would argue that because he listened. I think President Trump's greatest strength is his ability to listen. A lot of people were like, what do you. We say? But he will listen to if you have a good idea. He doesn't care where it comes from. He just cares. This is a good idea.
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Yeah, it's true.
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A
And that's probably, I think, his greatest strength. Because then he can sit down with the opposition because it's like, if it's a good idea. Personally, I don't really care what you think of it. And we don't see that because everything in politics now is so personal. But then when it's personal, you don't have to make sense. You don't have to say logical sentences. You can say dumb by burden by one has been. Or people go on to like the, the. Even the interviews, like the journalists. You're a journalist. And when you look at the segue a little bit here from when you look at journalism today, opposed to when you were in school.
- [24:59]
Did the vision or the, the expectation of what it is to be a journalist dramatically change for you? Like, once you realize, like when, when things started to get the. The woke way, where it was, it was not about journalist integrity like that, just kind of. When do you think that changed?
- [25:16]
B
I think it. I used to think. I used to say that it changed when Donald Trump came down that golden escalator ten years ago. But it was before then. I believe it was when Barack Obama took office and everybody was just fawning over him.
- [25:31]
A
And that's where the virtue signaler was born.
- [25:34]
B
Yeah, like that. We didn't even have that phrase. And not. At least it wasn't popular back then. And to me, that's when it changed. And I looked just from a sports perspective and how ESPN handled things. Cause that's the world that I was in. I was always interested in politics and paid attention because we should as Americans and as parents, you know. But I remember during that time in particular, remember, he would go to the. Andy Katz from espn, he was a great college basketball reporter, great guy. Would go to the White House every year to fill out the March Madness bracket on TV with Barack Obama, and he loved basketball. We know he put a basketball court in the White House, famously, infamously, however you look at it. And every year it was this big thing, and the promotion around Obama and the brackets. And eight straight years he leaves office, Trump comes in. Nothing. You're not allowed to do an interview. Nothing. You can't talk about it. Or actually, you can talk about it, and you can crush Donald Trump on ESPN airwaves, on your social media, when we weren't allowed to be political until that time. So it was very confusing. It was a very confusing time when no Journalism, journalism. And then all of a sudden, the hypocrisy got really thick because they allowed it to. If you leaned this way, but not the other. Certainly the summer of love in 2020, I mean, and then between Covid, George, Floyd, gone. I love, though, like, to me, the saving grace, because we know the mainstream media is. Journalism is dead within that realm.
- [27:02]
A
Yes, I believe. I believe.
- [27:03]
B
But the saving grace is independence. And how about Barry Weiss taking over CBS News after what happened to her at the New York Times? Are you kidding me? Like, I have faith and I will give CBS a chance once she really continues to dig deep and try to flip it, because there were so many incredible programs like legacy shows, 60 Minutes that turned into disaster strikes.
- [27:25]
A
No one's asking you to lean anyway. Don't lean on anything. Just tell the news.
- [27:31]
B
So I'm excited for the future, maybe. At least at cbs, ABC is still. You know what came up on social media today? Remember in 2019, Amy Robach. And she was like, in a commercial break, and they were recording her as she was complaining about ABC executives who had totally squashed the whole scene thing. And she's like, I've had this for three years. I have women, I have victims, and they haven't let me do it. That's still abc, Disney to me. NBC, whatever. So cbs. I have hope, obviously. I think on cable, it is what it is. CNN leans left, Fox News leans right. And it is what it is. And you make your choice. There's. With sports, my biggest issue is what is that, you or me?
- [28:13]
A
That's probably.
- [28:14]
B
That is so you, because I know I turned mine off.
- [28:17]
A
Yeah.
- [28:18]
B
Is it a kid calling?
- [28:19]
A
No, it's. It's a guy calling about a golf cart.
- [28:23]
B
Okay, priorities.
- [28:24]
A
My daughter's a jumper.
- [28:25]
B
Priorities. I. We. We could go deep on the horses. Remember?
- [28:29]
A
Get in there.
- [28:29]
B
Remember?
- [28:30]
A
Well, you know what? This where I'm, like, batting around the room. We're talking about a lot of things. So we did an interview together. Was. It was last year, summer of 24. Wow. Time flies in front of the camera. You lose track of time. Terribly. So. Okay.
- [28:46]
B
Oh.
- [28:49]
A
You got married.
- [28:50]
B
Oh, that. Yeah, I did.
- [28:52]
A
Congratulations.
- [28:53]
B
Thank you. It was fast, Tyrus.
- [28:55]
A
Yeah. Because I remember you were.
- [29:00]
Going through, like, the tail ends of.
- [29:03]
B
I'd been divorced for like, it's been six years now, so it was five years when. When we met and sat down. When you sat down on my show. And guys, let me tell you, one of the best of my almost 90 episodes was with Tyrus. And it was because we forgot the cameras were there and we just talked.
- [29:22]
A
Yeah.
- [29:22]
B
And you shared so much and you change people's lives. So if you haven't seen it, I would say, please take a look, because that's what a real man is. And I know you're gonna hate me for saying that, but you were awesome and I so appreciated you opening up at that time. I didn't know the man I'm married to now.
- [29:39]
A
Yeah. I'm about to say. Yeah.
- [29:41]
B
Listen, when you're our age and you're starting over, when you know, you know.
- [29:46]
A
Yes.
- [29:47]
B
And that's what happened. Okay. Do you want the really quick story or no?
- [29:50]
A
Yeah, I want the really quick story.
- [29:51]
B
After you answer your phone about the golf cart.
- [29:53]
A
Most aggressive golf cart salesman ever.
- [29:56]
B
Better be a damn nice golf cart, Tyrus.
- [29:59]
A
It better be.
- [30:00]
B
So for horse show parents, and I used to be one. You go to the big shows and you don't walk around. You have to have a golf cart. You have to have like a little four pound rat dog. Do you have one of those, too?
- [30:10]
A
No. No. We're anti dog.
- [30:11]
B
I will so judge you if you get one of those dogs.
- [30:13]
A
It will never happen.
- [30:14]
B
Okay?
- [30:14]
A
It will never happen.
- [30:15]
B
We shall see. We're on tape with proof.
- [30:17]
A
I can tell you right now, I like dogs. My wife does not like dogs. My daughter does not like dogs. So there will be.
- [30:23]
B
You already have a damn horse. Like, leave the dogs and home. You have two now. Oh, you're such a sucker. We only had one.
- [30:29]
A
No, we have Jess, Jesse Richesi, and then we have Chianta's Elise. So technically we have three.
- [30:38]
B
We used to have Echo was the barn name, and Nouveau Reese III was his show name.
- [30:43]
A
Yes, I have a horse name, too. Richese von Hoog Hammerstein, who is a Belgian sport horse. Not to be confused with a regular Belgian horse.
- [30:51]
B
Completely different.
- [30:52]
A
Completely different. She's a Cadillac of horses.
- [30:54]
B
Correct.
- [30:54]
A
And I'm so proud that you're in this world, Jesse. Though I thought was going to be cheaper because her name was just Jesse. She didn't have. But she's an Irish sport horse. No gray. And she was. You know, and then Chiante is Elise, and he's. He's older. He's. Because they're. Richese is 7, and Jesse's 8, and then Chante's the old man, so they're young.
- [31:16]
B
Okay. But he's got some good miles on him. But, see, Tyrus fell for it. You didn't call me. When they say, well, well, your daughter needs this horse for her flat classes, and then she needs this horse for her hunter, and then if she wants to do jumper, she needs this horse. You didn't call me. I could have saved you a couple hundred thousand.
- [31:32]
A
I wish. You know, the sad part is, is that we're not even doing hunters in equity. We're jumping jumpers. Georgie just wants the clock. She didn't like the. She didn't like the judges, so. And this. The goal this year is to qualify for Team usa. So we got to jump a lot of horses.
- [31:53]
B
Yes, you do.
- [31:53]
A
Rest, one jump. One rest, one jump. One rest, one jump. One rest, one jump. So she can get those horses.
- [31:57]
B
I always tell people who have younger kids, and I preface this by saying, horses literally changed my daughter's life and. And were incredible. And mine, too. I rode even as a poor army brat back in the day and rode up through adulthood. But I always say to parents of young girls who say, you know, well, Sarah wants to start to ride horses and ponies, and, you know, she likes to go pet them and groom them, and this is what your answer needs to be to Sarah or who. Whatever the little girl's name is. I'm so sorry. You're allergic.
- [32:28]
A
Yeah.
- [32:28]
B
If you go around horses, you will die. Just say no and get a dog, because your entire life savings ends up going to. Because you can't. If you're going to do it, you got to go and go bigger girl. You got to go full.
- [32:42]
A
Yeah, you got to go full regalia.
- [32:43]
B
You got to go. So you did it, and I love you for it. And that's why I love your passion and you're a good horse show dad, because that's the thing.
- [32:48]
A
The. The wife gets the brunt of it. But the. The thing I would argue with this, though, is that the. The level of. Of dedication and work. Huge that goes into it. When you see your daughter, the first one in, last one to leave, you know, watch doing all the little things. It's. It's hard to think about. You don't think about the money, then, you know, you don't exactly. When they're jumping and she's competing. And the only thing is that the only time I think about it is because I was like, I'm gonna retire in a couple years.
- [33:22]
B
You better behave. So Fox keeps renewing you, right?
- [33:25]
A
Yeah, I gotta. You know, she's gonna be in it for a minute. But.
- [33:28]
B
But you know what it is?
- [33:29]
A
You grow.
- [33:29]
B
You.
- [33:30]
A
You grow, and you. You have to learn when to say, hey, not yet.
- [33:34]
B
Yeah, but it's such a unique sport. And I'll say this for all the legitimate reasons why you could crap on it because of the cost and just. Oh, my gosh.
- [33:44]
As an athlete, it's usually about just you and your body and the right equipment and your training. There's two athletes here. It's the human and the horse, and the connection is something you cannot replicate.
- [33:57]
A
That's her and Jess right there.
- [33:58]
B
But how old is she now?
- [34:01]
A
She's 11.
- [34:02]
B
How tall is she?
- [34:04]
A
Yeah, she's getting up.
- [34:05]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [34:05]
A
Yeah.
- [34:06]
B
Like, that horse is beautiful, too.
- [34:07]
A
Yeah, that's just.
- [34:09]
B
But, like, when you. When kids realize it's not just about them, like, if you don't take care of your horse, you're not competing. And so it is bigger than you. And that's the beauty of this sport. That makes it. That makes it so unique. Okay, do you want to hear my Dave story?
- [34:19]
A
Yes. That's what we're.
- [34:21]
B
See, this is awesome.
- [34:22]
A
You tried to block it.
- [34:24]
B
I know. It's the coolest thing. And you're going to Love this.
- [34:26]
A
Okay.
- [34:28]
B
November 12th, 2024.
- [34:30]
A
Okay.
- [34:30]
B
So exactly a year ago.
- [34:32]
A
All right.
- [34:32]
B
I was at a charity event for veterans, Tomahawk charities in Nashville with a girlfriend of mine whose husband couldn't go. And everybody was like, oh, Sage is a good plus one. Sage will go. So Sage went. And this tall drink of water walks up to me at the cocktail hour.
- [34:51]
A
Dave.
- [34:52]
B
Dave. Yes. As my kids say, Dave. And he walks up to me and said something crazy.
- [35:01]
A
Please tell me he didn't say, may I meet you?
- [35:07]
No, Iris, hold on. You know what? There's a. Can we bring Dave in? Can we bring Dave? Because I feel like Dave should be able to defend himself.
- [35:15]
B
Well, I.
- [35:16]
A
Because I feel like you're gonna bury Dave.
- [35:19]
B
I married him. I'm not going to bury him. Okay, you're gonna like this. I think he looks at me and he's like, hi, my name is Dave. Okay. By the way, like, not a Tux, but a beautiful black suit.
- [35:31]
A
And so Dave's a good dresser.
- [35:33]
B
Yeah.
- [35:34]
A
Okay.
- [35:34]
B
And he's like 6 4. And I had my big girl shoes on, so even I'm five' eleven. Add three, four inches. So I was a good six two, and he was still taller. And I'm like, okay, so that's point. I'll listen anyway. I didn't know. I thought he was just coming over to say hi. And, you know, you're in public. People, nice people say nice things.
- [35:49]
A
Yes.
- [35:49]
B
Usually the haters, their voices may never. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keyboard warriors. So he comes up and he says, hi, my name is Dave. We have something in common. And I'm like, try me. He goes, our mothers, 30 years ago, while our dads were stationed at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, army officers, our mothers used to volunteer at a convent for retired nuns. And I was like, excuse me, because I know it makes sense. That's tough one to make up.
- [36:18]
A
That's a specific makeup.
- [36:19]
B
Tough one to make up the nuns that were part of my life and ends up part of his family too. And I was like, excuse me. And he goes, then I used to play high school basketball against your brother Chad at Gruber Gym, which was the gym on Fort Leavenworth. So when you're name dropping like the gym. Very specific, very specific. And I said, what's your last name? And he told me again. And I went, oh, my gosh, I know that name. And we chatted. Then we had to go sit down for dinner. There's a post party. We head over to the post party. We're chatting. I see him when I walk in, I'm like, I'm gonna wait because he's cute, but I'm gonna wait. And we start talking about everything. And we both, you know, obviously with the military background. He actually is a veteran and served seven years, was in Iraq, saw a lot, did a lot. It's what I'm probably most proud of him for, aside from being a father. And we started talking about all the things. And about two hours in, like, we're in a Broadway type bar, downtown Nashville. Like, there's chaos. And it was like, we're the only two in the room. And all of a sudden, Tyrus hit me and I got these crazy, like 16 year old girl butterflies. And I was like. And I'm like, I need a drink. I'll be right back. Can I get you something? And so I went over and got a drink.
- [37:28]
A
And I'm like, what did you get?
- [37:31]
B
Vodka soda.
- [37:32]
A
Yeah, I figured. Yeah.
- [37:32]
B
Okay, what do you mean, you figured? What do you think we had to do? Vodka.
- [37:36]
A
Something.
- [37:36]
B
Something floury.
- [37:37]
A
You were gonna be like, I need a scotch. I gotta think this over.
- [37:40]
B
Okay. I' Scotch coat.
- [37:42]
A
No.
- [37:43]
B
So I came back with two vodka sodas. Yes. I'm like, double this one for me. Because it hit me, and I had these butterflies, and I went, oh, my God, this is my person. And I looked back over my girlfriend, who I went with, who is awesome. Katie Busby. And she was. Dressed him down, and she's like, what do you want with my girl? And I got back over there, he had gone to the restroom, and she looked at me, and I will change the language because my mom will watch this. Yeah, but she said, you're gonna marry him. Don't screw it up. And I looked at her and I was like, I know. And then she goes, and he has really nice shoes. I'm like, that's important.
- [38:18]
A
So why. You know what I know? Women and shoes. Such a misconception. Because everyone wears one good pair of shoes.
- [38:26]
B
Okay, fine.
- [38:27]
A
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's always. You got to catch him on a Wednesday. You gotta, like, just randomly jump out on and be like, hey, let me see. Okay.
- [38:34]
B
Yeah. Okay. You can take a look when we're done here. The shoes are nice.
- [38:38]
A
I'm just saying, that scene, I used to always hear that. And I used to drive me absolutely insane.
- [38:43]
B
Well, no, and it's her trying to be funny, trying to lighten the mood, because I was like, girlfriend, I know I'm gonna marry him. And this is the.
- [38:49]
A
So this was a whirlwind. This was pretty fast.
- [38:51]
B
So that was November 12th. We got engaged April 12th, and we got married September 5th this year.
- [38:58]
A
Wow.
- [38:58]
B
I know. But here's the thing. I'm almost 53. He's almost 15. Yeah.
- [39:01]
A
I mean, you guys got, like, what, charitably? What, nine, Nine. Eight years of, like, physical relative?
- [39:07]
B
Oh, my God.
- [39:08]
A
No, look, I'm just saying, like, I'm just.
- [39:10]
B
Oh, my God.
- [39:11]
A
Like, before the joints start clicking in and the arthritis.
- [39:15]
B
Listen, I have years to make up for here.
- [39:17]
A
And you start freaking out because the blonde's got gray on the tips and.
- [39:22]
B
Well, this is all gray and it's blonde for a reason here. Just leave that alone, okay?
- [39:27]
A
No, hey, listen, listen. I. I'm a little older than my wife, so she still has time, but she's looking at me like, you know.
- [39:35]
B
Well, he's younger than me. He's three years younger. So I'm like, let's go. But the coolest thing is when. And you know this. We've talked enough for you to know, like.
- [39:45]
When you're with someone. For me, it was my first boyfriend, age 20 to 47. That's all I knew.
- [39:51]
A
Right.
- [39:51]
B
So to start over when you've never ever started over at anything relationship wise, it was just one and done. It was the scariest thing ever. And being in the spotlight a little.
- [40:02]
A
Bit, in the public eye, a lot of it.
- [40:05]
B
Yeah. Then who do you trust? And as a woman, I'm like, do they like me for me or. Because I can talk about football and basketball all day? Like, what is it? And so it was really scary. But when you think. And this is. I mean, my. My faith journey has been a journey for sure. And really.
- [40:21]
A
And you guys are the same faith, too, right. So don't crush.
- [40:23]
B
We're both Catholic. Yeah. Wow.
- [40:25]
A
All right, well.
- [40:26]
B
And the same beliefs, the same upbringing in that way. But when I gave up, and this might sound cheesy, I don't know, but when I gave up control and was like God in every aspect of my life, please, please take over, because I'm an idiot. And when I did that on January 1, 2024, everything in my life changed. Later that summer, before I met Dave, I end up on the campaign trail with Donald Trump. Are you kidding me? What was that like?
- [40:50]
A
Yeah.
- [40:51]
B
That's the last thing I ever would have wanted to do. Ended up moving to Florida full time because I was in an empty nester and it was just me. I never thought I'd be starting over at 51 with the kids off to college and alone. And it is.
- [41:05]
A
He has a job, too, which is nice. He's not a, you know, he's not a fixer upper.
- [41:09]
B
What a. What a.
- [41:09]
A
Stuff together.
- [41:10]
B
A job. Yes.
- [41:11]
A
What a contestant about his Houston oiler hat. I mean, they're. They're not coming back, bro. No.
- [41:17]
B
He's a Nashville guy. And I swear every plane ride we take, which is a lot, or every restaurant, he wears that hat. And people are like, that was the best logo. Titans should get that one back. I know.
- [41:27]
A
It was. It was a. Yeah. Tennessee Oilers would have been fine.
- [41:30]
B
It would have been.
- [41:31]
A
Yeah. That's not their issue, though. They're. I can't.
- [41:34]
B
They got other issues. Okay. Let's try to win a game. So I just feel super. I feel so lucky to have gotten this opportunity. And listen, is it perfect? No, we're, you know, I had just moved to Florida full time. He's in Nashville. His kids are 17 and 19, so he still needs to be around more. Mine are 19, 21, 23. So you're blending five kids with this new relationship. But let me tell you, when the mother's friendship goes back 32 years.
- [42:02]
A
Yeah.
- [42:03]
B
We had never met and they'd been friends for 32 years. And so he was fully vetted immediately because the next morning after I met him, I all of a sudden get a call from my mom and she goes, did you meet Dave Barbuto? And I was like, what? So this one, he gets home, he texts his mom, his mom texts my mom, my mom texts me, and it was over.
- [42:23]
A
Wow.
- [42:23]
B
Yeah. And here we are. Now I'm married. It was a big old wedding too.
- [42:26]
A
I mean, it was good. Luckily there wasn't like an old feud. Like, is this the same woman who didn't show up for the last day of volunteering? And I got stuck in a double shift, like, so the good news is.
- [42:35]
B
The 85 year old nuns.
- [42:36]
A
Yeah. Like nothing's ever forgotten.
- [42:38]
B
So when the wedding was, the reunion of the parents hadn't seen each other in 32 years. And then we get to the wedding and we rented these houses on the. The property in Nashville and everybody was staying together. I get emotional every day because.
- [42:55]
I have never felt this complete, despite the chaos of becoming an entrepreneur and starting my own business. But I've never felt this complete. I've never felt this protected. And as we talk about men in today's society and what has happened to many of them, a lot of it is looking in the mirror, ladies, and what did we do to men to tell them not to leave? Whatever. That's a. Yeah, that's a conversation. A great one for another show. But like, I've never felt this protected and supported and encouraged and loved and, you know, good feedback and I needed a lot in my life besides my parents. And I'm so grateful for the crazy journey.
- [43:36]
A
You never know how it's going to go. You think you can call it, you know, you. And then when you're in it, you don't know. This is the greatest moment, you know, like you won't know until it's. Until it's gone, you know, so it's kind of whenever you can take a moment to look back and kind of go and process, like, hey, I'm doing some good things here.
- [43:56]
B
Yeah.
- [43:57]
A
Because like, you usually wait till the next storm before you stop.
- [44:01]
B
Yeah.
- [44:01]
A
So it's kind of nice to just kind of stop sometimes and be like, I'm all right.
- [44:06]
B
Like it's what you've done in particular has been very inspiring to millions of people. And just being so open and personal with your, with your personal life, with your marriage, et cetera. And, you know, as hard as that is, probably still it's a decision you made. And I can tell you this, no matter what ends up happening in our relationships, our kids are watching everything. And although divorce for our five kids was and still is not easy, and we desperately want them to love their parents, our exes, 100%. I gotta tell you, I never considered the power of having my kids standing behind me as I took these vows and seeing their mother treated like this and to get to hear, like, to get to witness all of it. That Tyrus was, you know, one of the best parts of this whole thing is that my kids got to see this transformation in me as well. And so what does that do?
- [45:10]
A
Well. Cause they grow with you and they saw everything and they know mom's unhappy or mom's sad or dad too, Dad's lonely.
- [45:16]
B
Tyrus, here's the cool thing by them witnessing us, the good, the bad, the ups and downs, the tears, the happiness, the joy, all of it. They are taking notes. And then when they are in the position to. To choose a spouse, I bet they.
- [45:30]
A
Ask different questions also, at the same time, they'll know when it's time to.
- [45:33]
B
Go, if it's not good, and hopefully not to me. The goal is they ask different questions, more questions, because they know what can happen. Right?
- [45:44]
A
Right. And also they'll be like, so they.
- [45:45]
B
Only do it once. That's the goal, you know, So I feel so blessed that my kids got to witness it. I'm gonna send you a picture when we're done because they. Besides seeing my husband when I turned that corner, walking up the aisle, something I didn't think I'd ever get to do again, Besides my almost 80 year old father walking me up the aisle. Something I didn't know would happen based on health reasons and life. To see my three kids standing there smiling, grinning ear to ear. My son's 6, 4 2, 20. He had tears in his eyes, you know, like priceless. So no matter what happens, no matter what names I'm called, and it's daily, no matter what happens to my show, I'm good.
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A
Yeah. Like, that's the beautiful thing about integrity. Yeah, It's. It self promotes and the. The haters can't mess with your destiny. They really can't. They can to. Nobody wants to walk away from something they love because of Principle, like, that's the last thing you want to do. It goes against your principle. Principle, because you're so loyal to where you were. So to do that and, and to walk through fire and to, to get to a point where you don't know if you, hell, if you're even going to have, be able to support your family, let alone thrive, you know, it's.
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B
Been scary and a lot of people deal with it. And that's what I kind of, that's why I, I, it's important for me to share this part of it.
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A
I think, I think that's what connects people is when they realize. Because I think sometimes they see us in front of the camera and they don't realize everything that goes around. And they shouldn't have to because if you put your ass on the camera, then you should have your things together. But most of us, we don't. We do the best we can with what we got. And sometimes they get a connection and then they see that, like, you go through stuff too. It for them, it's like, because they're like. Well, they think a lot of times, well, if you have money and success, your problems go away. No, no, no, no. They increase bigger and then you have to watch other people watching you. But you learn. You have to learn. And it's a, it's a lesson. Unfortunately, a lot of us in, in entertainment, miss, is you got to know when to stop and say, this is good. Like, we're, We're. I'm in a good place. Like, I'm okay to not be so much time going, oh, I've screwed up.
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B
Yeah, well, and everyone lets you know when you screw up, when you're in the spotlight, and that's okay. That's part of what we signed up for. But when we are vulnerable, just like you were on my show, just like you have been in so many important ways over the last year, others realize they're not alone. And so you are. By sharing, we are helping them. Maybe not go to a really dark place. You know, when you let them know that this guy, this hulk of a human being, this brave, courageous strong man that's on our televisions every single night is also hurting, but still coming to work every day and crushing it and caring. Right? But when you humanize yourself, you are helping others. And that's been the most beautiful part, by the way, of being independent and to be able to talk about what I want to hopefully make it more comfortable for others to share their crap.
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A
You know, just to speak it and not Be. It's the end of days because you speak your mind. Because there is. I think you have to keep yourself grounded because the other side of it is also, if you start listening to your fans more than the people around you, that's a problem too. You know, it's like, it's such a. It's such a fine line. But when you. When you have a strong core of support around you, this is a lot easier. It is because you're able to be like, you know what's important. And. And that's the cheers from a bunch of strangers that always matter. It should be the people that. That you know, that generally care about you, that you're not doubting. You know, they're like, is they with me for this or that? You know, like, you know, is it because I'm on tv? They're with. Like, when you. When you have those questions, those lead to so many other. There's a distrust, a natural distrust that just builds over time when you. When you know the people that are in your circle or there, whether you're on TV or not, or just.
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B
And by the way, that circle's gotten really small.
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A
Yes.
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B
And that's okay. I didn't realize that I needed it. It's not.
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A
One of the biggest lessons in life that I had to learn was that. And you don't always want to hear it, you know, because you're like, well, you know, people like me and this, that, whatever. And. And I like having a lot of friends and this, you know, because it's like. It also is a lot of noise, so you don't have to focus on your shit sometimes. So when you cut your circle, you know what's funny is when you do cut the circle, the amount of people that don't call back.
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Without ever. It's just. You didn't. They. They never were really there to begin with. They were just there like, yeah, like it's an opportunity. And then I'm not. You don't even. You don't deer John them. You don't be like, hey, I'm cutting my circle. You just cut your circle. And then you wait to see who reaches out and it's. And it's 90 don't. Yeah, like, that's the real. But that's the real. And then you realize how much energy and how much of yourself you wasted trying to impress people that did not, who are never going to show up for you in life anyways, that you're entertaining them.
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B
It's almost a blessing.
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A
Yeah. No, no. And I I advise anyone to do that. Cut your circle. See what, See what? See what comes to the surface. You might surprise yourself.
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B
You know, I struggle enough with finding time for the people that I do love.
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A
Right.
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B
Much less the ones that I don't and don't love me.
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A
Yeah. When you cut out the miscellaneous bullshit people, you have a lot of free time in terms of like some of.
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B
The things that I hope our kids really like. I know they just hear us talk. It's like, blah, blah, blah. They're talking again, microphone or to their face. This is the stuff I don't want them to wait as long to be again to be okay. Being disliked. Like that's a true.
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A
We also have to let them get their scars.
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B
Correct.
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A
You gotta let them. You can't hop in because you do not want to be because that's what started a lot of this shit in the first place.
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B
You're right.
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A
Like sometimes you see your. My son is 65 and he's 14 years old and he is playing baseball against high school people. And everyone's wanting to put him with the older kids and older kids. And I keep telling them like, hey, no, no. And he finally said, do you don't believe in me? I said, son, I'm pretend. You know what? Go ahead. And that first time, that 95 mile an hour flew past him by an 18 year old, he looked back at me and I just was like, yeah, yeah.
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B
Like, you don't even have to say I told you so.
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A
They just said, we'll get there, we're just not there yet.
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B
So. So, but it is true. They got to learn the lesson. And for some of the serious stuff.
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A
You'Re like, but be close enough to where you can, you know, catch them. You got life, right?
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B
I mean, they got to get some bumps and bruises.
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A
Yeah. Always a blast. Apparently we're out of time. Always goes quick. Whenever I talk to you. Congratulations.
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B
Can we, can we, can we do this more often? Because there's so much I love talking about with you.
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A
Yeah. You have an open invite.
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B
I haven't had a repeat guest on my, my show yet.
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A
I'll be happy to come back.
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B
Wait, I did. And it was Riley Gaines because she had her baby.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And. And that Riley's in a class of her own, having babies and saving the world.
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A
Angry she got angry. Ugly ladies, crazy ladies going after her for being the top five in the country.
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B
I know.
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A
Like, oh, no, it's so beautiful.
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B
Listen again, congrats. You look great.
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A
Oh, thank you. I'm getting there.
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B
Seriously, I got a ride.
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A
So another £20 and then I can.
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B
Is that what it is?
- [53:29]
A
Yeah, well, just with all my kids, I'm just trying to be nice to the horses, but everyone wants to ride the horses back.
- [53:37]
B
I know, I know. By the way, I'll, I'll say this. I'll shut up. Since I rode my whole life, people don't think it's a sport. The muscles that you have to use, especially English and jumping those saddles are a lot thinner. There's no other way to warm them up, to make them strong. The only way to get that true core and then the inner thigh is horses. And I challenge the, the best athlete in the world to get on a horse and not get off the next day.
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A
Like, oh, no, no, it's, it's going down, I'm telling you. It's like. And I'm probably going to go Clydesdale anyways.
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B
Just so you need a Clydel or that other kind of Belgian.
- [54:10]
A
Yeah, whatever, one's cheaper.
- [54:12]
B
Shut up.
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A
Whatever one's cheaper. No, for real, like, whatever one's cheaper. Cuz I'm. I don't need no high end big horses for me. Speaking of high end big horses, I.
- [54:21]
B
Guess Golf Cart Man's calling back.
- [54:23]
A
I know. He called like four times.
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B
Thank you, Tyrus.
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A
Thank you. And congratulations.
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B
Thank you.
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A
So awesome. Thank you.