The Science of Getting Jacked with Dr. Mike Israetel | Planet Tyrus

Summary

Planet Tyrus – "The Science of Getting Jacked with Dr. Mike Israetel" Released April 23, 2026 | Host: Tyrus | Guest: Dr. Mike Israetel

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Episode Overview

In this engaging, no-holds-barred episode of Planet Tyrus, Tyrus welcomes renowned sports scientist and bodybuilding coach Dr. Mike Israetel for a wide-ranging, humorous, and insightful discussion. Together, they dissect the science and psychology of building strength, staying resilient amid injuries and criticism, and navigating the ever-changing landscape of fame, culture, and societal expectations. Expect sharp banter, personal stories from wrestling, bodyguarding, and academia, as well as practical (and philosophical) advice for athletes and anyone chasing self-improvement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Evolution of Coaching, Criticism, and Cancel Culture

• Navigating Modern Sensibilities in Athletics

  • Old-school coaching relied on blunt honesty and “tough love,” while today’s environment demands more emotional awareness and avoidance of triggering language.
  • Dr. Mike: “In the fitness community, in the lifting community…if you say unkind things to them, they almost always understand that you mean that in a way that is supportive.” (03:19)
  • Banter about changing language: Notable jokes about terms like "fat-phobic" and the social sciences’ looser peer review—underscoring how “feelings” often blend with “facts” in public discourse.

• How Social Media Changed Social Dynamics

  • Tyrus and Dr. Mike explore how digital life shifted society back to a “village rumor mill,” amplifying mistakes and perpetuating “middle school” status anxieties nationwide.
  • Dr. Mike: “Social media makes everything a tiny village again…back into this thing where all the rumors and all the status hierarchy stuff seems to matter, way more than we remember it mattering.” (09:46)
  • Notable: Anticipation of smart glasses, which could further erode anonymity—even for non-celebrities.

2. The Double-Edged Sword of Fame and Entitlement

• A “False Sense of Acceptance”

  • Tyrus details how fame provides both perks and unique pressures—how public adoration can be fleeting and how quickly those same admirers can turn when controversy strikes.
  • “The same people who loved you…are the same people going, I knew he was a piece of shit.” (13:22, Tyrus)
  • Both men joke about public encounters—entitled fans, “Karen” culture, and the etiquette of declining photos while with family.

• Life After the Spotlight and Managing Finances

  • Discussion about struggling ex-athletes/celebrities, the pressure to maintain relevance, and society’s scrutiny (or lack thereof) for male vs. female stars.
  • Witty exchange: “Why is De Niro still acting?...you’d think he would only come down for something like they found an unpublished script of Shakespeare…” (27:58, Tyrus)

3. Resilience, Injury, & the Mindset of Recovery

• Handling Setbacks as an Athlete

  • Real talk on the physical and psychological impact of major injuries.
  • Dr. Mike’s Formula:
    1. Allow yourself a set window to “bitch and moan.”
    2. Move directly to “fixing the machine that is your human body.”
    3. Go all-in on rehab, rest, and alternative skills (e.g., watching tape, supporting teammates).
    • “If you’re project-oriented, it does two things…gets you on the right track to get better…and gives you something to focus on.” (32:22, Dr. Mike)
    • Both men share personal injury experiences, from blown-out knees to Dr. Mike’s herniated disc. Lighthearted asides about bidets and injury-related inconveniences.

• Aging and Adjusting Training

  • Tyrus talks about hitting 50 and the humbling transition from “big, strong monster” to “old man energy”—complete with stories of airport canes and perceptions of weakness.
  • The necessity of stretching, adjusting training frequency, and accepting “Father Time.”
  • “I'm not as good at stretching. Better safe than sorry. I have no choice if I would like to have a productive evening.” (36:00, Tyrus)

4. Status, Bodyguarding, and the Desire to Be Seen

• Behind the Velvet Rope
  • Anecdotes from Tyrus’s years as a bodyguard: ultra-wealthy clients seeking fame, clever ploys (hats & sunglasses) to manufacture allure, and the paradox of wanting status without prior notability.
    • “The worst clients…were the ones who were really rich but not known. They want to be seen, but no one's coming to their table.” (43:35, Tyrus)
  • Discussion of alpha culture, status signaling, and the shifting desires that come with age.

5. Parenting, Generations, and Lessons from Adversity

• Raising Resilient Kids in a Soft Era
  • Extended riff on how modern children are coddled compared to the “dangerously independent” 80s and 90s.
  • “Everything grows from those [failures and scars]. I see parents trying to put these bubbles around their kids…You’ve gotta…watch them get nicked up and banged up. You just don’t let them die.” (66:48, Tyrus)
  • Humor about adult children who can’t change a tire or handle life without Wi-Fi; pushback against the “step” label in his blended family.

6. Technology’s Impact: Connection or Isolation?

• Is the Phone Our Best Friend?
  • Both lament the loss of IRL friendships, the decline of “the crew,” and the phone’s central role in people’s lives.
  • “Their best friend has become their phone. Could you put your phone down for the weekend?…A lot of people…would get anxiety.” (68:28, Tyrus)
  • Speculation on the future—“Will people reject technology for real life? Or will it take AI assistants to moderate our addiction?” (70:08, Dr. Mike)

7. Science of Strength: When Should Kids Start?

• Building Athletes From Scratch
  • Q&A: For aspiring combat athletes, Dr. Mike recommends introducing sport skills around age 6 and resistance training around age 12, but only if the child is mature and truly into it.
  • Notable analogy: “Kids who start early speak the language of movement…like being bilingual.” (72:04, Dr. Mike)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Anonymity:

  • “All of us are on our way to be a little junior league famous…because now people pull up your profile right on their glasses and see you.” (12:00, Dr. Mike)

• On Fan Encounters:

  • “If I wasn’t with my family, I’d take the picture...But some people just don’t realize there’s a—what’s going on in your world.” (25:14, Tyrus)

• On Injury and Recovery:

  • “When something bad happens, I give myself 48 hours to be miserable about it. Then when it’s over…what am I doing to fix the machine that is my human body?” (31:12, Tyrus)

• On Parenting:

  • “The last thing you want is a 35-year-old boy living in your house…not sexy.” (64:58, Tyrus)
  • “Giving them a little taste of the world…because, you know, mom’s always gonna make it better.” (66:22, Tyrus)

• On Fame & Aging:

  • “Once you become famous, you don’t become unfamous until enough people just who knew you literally die.” (48:44, Dr. Mike)

• On Cancel Culture:

  • “I started really getting some success on the Gutfeld show. Within an instant, the phone…from three different series saying we’re really concerned about this Fox stuff. We’re going in another direction.” (51:09, Tyrus)

• On Historical Documentaries:

  • “He’s the only guy in the history of the world that can wear a Hitler mustache and everyone’s like, oh look, Jordan’s new mustache.” (54:10, Tyrus, on Michael Jordan)

• On Social Labels:

  • “There’s a bunch of words that they completely deflated. Racist means nothing at this point.” (55:09, Dr. Mike)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–06:50 — Banter on coaching then vs. now; feelings vs. “real science”
• 06:51–13:10 — Social media as the rumor mill; fame, status & anonymity
• 19:11–22:21 — Fame’s perks & pitfalls; entitled fans; “Karen” culture
• 27:19–32:25 — Injuries, comebacks, mindset, and recovery strategies
• 32:26–38:55 — More on recovery, aging in sports, adapting training at 50+
• 43:01–46:57 — Inside bodyguarding: status games among the ultra-wealthy
• 64:25–68:28 — Parenting, tough love, and enabling independence in kids
• 68:29–71:03 — Technology, friendships, and societal shifts
• 71:07–73:12 — Science of youth training: when to start skills and weights

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Overall Tone & Vibe

• Gritty and honest—Tyrus’s straight talk meets Dr. Mike’s scientific yet grounded approach.
• Humorous throughout, with sharp wit, playful self-deprecation, and colorful pop culture asides (from Dragon Ball Z to Hollywood gossip).
• Nostalgic for “tougher times,” yet realistic about changing norms and technology’s impact.
• Uplifting takeaway—real success and growth come from resilience, honest self-reflection, and an ability to adapt, whether in the gym, in the spotlight, or in life.

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This is a vibrant, insight-packed episode for anyone interested in strength, culture, or just a damn good story told with heart and humor.

Transcript

[A]

Tyrus, this is huge, man. You're opening up a whole can of worms here.

[B]

When something bad happens to me, I always give myself 48 hours to be miserable about it. And then when it's over, ditched all

[A]

your family members 100%. And then the next thing you have to do is just clear the bitching completely out and go, what am I doing to fix the machine that is my human body?

[B]

What it is, Dr. Mike. No, I'm. I'm butchering names. I always butch this butcher this name. Is it Israel?

[A]

Yeah, it's a fine guess.

[B]

You going to give me the riddle? Is it Israel?

[A]

I mean, yeah. Israel.

[B]

Israel. So I was right. Wow. I'm usually dead wrong.

[A]

It's first time, first shot, first time.

[B]

That's a first for me. So besides being jacked, you've got a pretty crazy resume here. This is awesome. For those people who don't know you're a sports psychologist, you're also a competitive bodybuilder, Brazilian jiu jitsu, black belt, an author, co founder and chief content officer of RP Strength and formerly Renaissance. How did Peterization. What is that? Periodization. Periodization.

[A]

Periodization.

[B]

All right, that. Let's go. What is Renaissance? Periodization.

[A]

That's the name of our company. Oh, yeah.

[B]

And what was the. I guess if I kept reading. Was built around using real science and practical coaching to help people get strong. Wow, what a concept. Using actual things that work.

[A]

Strange times.

[B]

Yeah. What about feelings and identifying? I mean, how does that fall into? Like, if I feel like a bodybuilder, but I don't feel like lifting.

[A]

That's good enough.

[B]

That's good enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if you tell me I'm not, then you have. You're a body. Body phobe or.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Fat. What is it?

[A]

Fat, Fat phobic.

[B]

Fat phobic. Who was allowed to come because these terms weren't there.

[A]

Yes. They just made them up.

[B]

Because I remember when I was a kid and chubby, I. Somebody called me fat. I had to lose weight. I couldn't be like, well, that's your opinion.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or you're a fat phobe. And then the teachers would be like, get the hell out of the classroom, you fat phobic.

[A]

Yeah. You know, nowadays it's different times.

[B]

How did we get there?

[A]

You know, so in the social sciences, they can do all kinds of stuff because their idea of peer review is a lot looser than the hard sciences. So they can just come up with ideas that feel really nice to people. And you're not supposed to peer review them too hard because then you're a mean person. And all of a sudden it just really a lot about feelings. And so that's how we got there.

[B]

How do you. When you're dealing with young athletes today, things are different. Like just. I remember my coaches were brutally honest, horrible, sometimes call you names, get. Do what they needed to do to get the best out of you. And it's not always polite. I look at coaching now or training now or working with young people, you have to worry about so many different things, offending the person you're trying to. To bring stuff out of. Do you, do you navigate through that?

[A]

Due to a series of unfortunate court decisions, I'm not allowed to be around young people or work with them.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I'm not even allowed to say what I just said. I can't say young people. See, that's two strikes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

No. All jokes aside, I typically work with folks that are adults and in the fitness community, in the lifting community, hardcore sports community, everyone wants it and they're there to get better. And if you say unkind things to them, they almost always understand that you mean that in a way that is supportive of them.

[B]

Yes, there's a difference. You're not just calling somebody a name, trying to, to build a fire or force them to push themselves. You need stress to do that in some cases. Not everyone can just dig down deep.

[A]

Yeah. You know, for people that maybe I wouldn't want to use offensive terminology towards. What I like to do as a, as an in person coach is really ask people questions they already know the answers to but just forgot during the training session. Like, hey man, you know what I'm saying? You're trying to win the game next week.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're like, give you that look, like, of course I am, coach. Well, let's work a little harder. Okay. Instead of like insulting them, you ask them questions that are offensive. Like, oh, you tired today, huh? You don't want to work today? And they're like, no, I want to work. Well, show me something then.

[B]

Okay. So, because I can remember my coach, one of his favorite things when we retired and we start making. Because that's usually fish fatigue, is when you start making a lot of the mental errors and stuff. But that's the point. And that's when you train and muscle memory comes in. So when you are foggy in the brain, your body, you know, can get you where you need to go. But I remember he would be like, if I took your brain, stuck it in a bird and Fly backwards right now. And you. And then you'd be like, oh, I don't want to be me. If he said that now, I guess I could sit on the ground and just start crying.

[A]

You could do better. You could say you identify as a bird.

[B]

Oh. And that was just.

[A]

That was triggering.

[B]

Wow. Can't we just say screw it, Just tough it up. And when people are offended, can't we say, I understand you're offended, but what does that have to do with right now?

[A]

I think that's a really good thing to do until the legal recourse shows up, then you have to go to court. No, honestly, they're really. I'm not familiar with any cases and they're probably fewer, very few. In which saying discourteous things to young athletes actually gets you in trouble.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I think you can still talk that smack. But you know, there may be limits on the kind of smack you're going to talk. Maybe like, I think one of the things that I'm never really comfortable saying is because we used to do like gender based bullying. Like, man, you hit like a girl.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You're not really supposed to do that anymore, kind of for two reasons. One is people on the political left will become upset at you and you don't want that. And the other one is like, man, a lot of girls hit really hard nowadays.

[B]

They hit a lot better.

[A]

So I'm like, I'm not saying that I get my head kicked clean off by a girl, so.

[B]

Well, you know what, it's, it's funny because a lot of the things that we said and like, I was born in the 70s, so I grew up in the 80s and 90s, so that was like, that was the insult.

[A]

It was standard.

[B]

Standard thing was that was just across the board. I don't remember that many people carrying that with them. Like, you know, you run into them many years later and you're. And they're like, no, no, no, don't talk to me. You said that I hit like a girl when we were playing softball.

[A]

I'm never gonna be better.

[B]

I will never talk to you again. So I, I think, I think it's just a different. I think because everybody focused. I think people just didn't care enough. Is it. Well, or is it because when things are said now, they echo longer? And what I mean by that is like, it's not like you and I are teasing each other in the gym back in the day and then it's over. Cause if somebody posts it, records it, you know, it Just kind of just. I call it echo because it just keeps coming back and back. So I guess in some instances, stuff lingers longer, so maybe it is a little bit tougher to deal with.

[A]

Tyrus, this is huge, man. You're opening up a whole can of worms here, and I think a super, super intense one because to some really large extent, we can track how this is about to get real deep.

[B]

I hit a I got swimmies on

[A]

you blunt before I walked in here. I don't even know who I'm talking to or what I'm saying. Bear with me. Got it. So for a long time, all of our evolved history as humans, we were in small hunter gatherer or village sized groups.

[B]

Yep. Less than 100.

[A]

And you knew everyone. And the rumor mill was everything. Your status in the group was just based on what other people perceived of you and what they said. And if you screwed up once, it was a story people everyone knew and it would laugh at for 10 years.

[B]

Right?

[A]

That is kind of basically like everything was a giant version of middle school where you don't remember middle school, where everything matters. You get in, you're like, I better not say the wrong thing or I'll get made fun of.

[B]

The worst thing happened in middle school is I wrote a. A letter to Betty Downey that I. I liked her. And it got intercepted.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Yes, her answer got intercepted. And by the time it, Everyone knew she said no. But I just remember trying to figure out a way to be sick for at least the rest of the week of school because everybody knew. It was like, do you like me circle, yes or no? And she didn't just circle it. She, like, did the bullseye and, like, put like, never, never ever, you know,

[A]

And I was like, but, but where's she at now? You're famous. Where's she at?

[B]

I don't know. Betty down, wherever you are. I made it just fine.

[A]

Hit me up.

[B]

Your boy's out here still happily married.

[A]

Thank you, Betty. Please don't hit me up. Your boy's not out here. Yeah, my boy's not. All right, so. So for a long time, that was the social kind of juice that we were all floating in. Beginning in, man, probably like, for many people, really. Only in, like, the year 1900 or so, bigger towns, bigger cities started to be how people lived. And like in New York before the digital revolution, right? New York in the 80s, bro, you could do anything. And a couple people maybe saw it. Not enough people to tell people about it. You had celebrities going to, like, Studio 54 or whatever, doing completely insane shit. And it was just kind of like nobody recorded it. There weren't any digital devices. Nobody talked about it or if they talked about it, they talked about it for a couple days, couple weeks. And then it was like a rumor, right?

[B]

Like, dad literally go out for a carton of cigarettes and just move to the next town over and you never see him again.

[A]

100. That does happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where are you at, dad? Yeah. I thought you loved me. Yes, the cigarettes were quite appealing.

[B]

Pack of cigs.

[A]

100%. So now. So there was this like bubble from like 1900 to basically the year 2000ish, where like not in a way in which we evolved, we had this time of kind of anonymity and that was kind of cool. And that means, like, your coach said some mean things to you at practice. Couple kids heard it, they would say haha. And then it would just be over.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But to your point, now we're reentering everything is middle school again mode, where social media makes everything a tiny village again. Like, I have you in my newsfeed. I have other famous people in my newsfeed. I kind of feel like I know them sort of. And then people accuse them of stuff. It's right on their profile. People retweet the shit. And so all of a sudden we're back into this thing where all the rumors and all the innuendos and all the status hierarchy stuff seems to matter, like way more than we remember it mattering.

[B]

And it didn't necessarily even need to be factual. It just needed to be egregious enough to where? Well, you know what? We don't know what's what, so let's get rid of him and it's up to him to figure it out.

[A]

Yep, yep. And that's how cancel culture, I think, really hit big. Because in the 90s, man, you did something. People are like, oh, that guy. And then that was that. But now that we're all so connected again, it's a thing. And I think it's going to get more intense because.

[B]

So you really, you don't think. Oh yeah, because everyone keeps acting like, oh, you know, it's over, the cancel's over and the woke is over.

[A]

I don't know about the cancel culture. I don't know if that's going to get more intense. I think it goes in fits and starts.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Uh, I'll probably be the guy to say it's gonna be over and I'll get canceled the next day or something. But I Think the. That everything is middle school, everyone knows what everyone does thing is gonna get more intense. So, for example, right now, like, the smartphone is our way of interfacing mostly through digital media. Within about two years, it's gonna be smart glasses. And that means that people who allow that on their profile, you'll just, like, walk out in the street in New York. You'll see a crowd of people, and people's profiles will pop up right above their faces. So you'd be like, I know who that guy is. Little green check and everything like that. Blue check. And so we're going to be united even more because, like, anonymity will be a thing, like, way of the past. I got this. Like, this is a trip. Because you're a known person. And now I guess I am, too. I used to be able to just.

[B]

How do you score that? Because I don't think of it like that. And same. It's just one of those things where. Hey, you know, like, a lot of guys, they like. Oh, they get. They get a publicist, they get a bodyguard. They get a 0 for 2 currently. Yeah. Agent. I don't have any of that shit, you know, because I just. Well, I guess I've always just kind of never really taken it that seriously. And maybe that's why it's not as important to me, you know, because if I now, if I don't get recognized places, I'm completely fine with it, bro.

[A]

I mean, that's great.

[B]

Yeah, it's a good thing, but.

[A]

But you came up not getting recognized places, and then when you started getting famous, you started getting recognized places, and that robs you. I'm playing the world's smallest violin here, so take yourself. This is like a first world. Yeah, we're beyond first world. We're first worlding right now.

[B]

But.

[A]

Ye. But anonymity is a thing I don't have anymore. I can't just. I was waiting outside of Fox News headquarters before this, and two people came up to me and they were like, oh, I really like your stuff. Blah, blah, blah. If I'm picking my nose or if I'm texting illicit photographs to somebody getting

[B]

a phone call from your wife chewing you out 100% before you start a

[A]

show, P. Diddy calls me again. It just hits different now. So I think more and more people

[B]

who are used to calling anybody right now. Hits different, but go ahead.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. It depends on what he's asking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Another party, P. Diddy. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm good.

[A]

I'm Good five parties is good enough for me. But like that, I don't have anonymity anymore. Places I go and I think with people having the smart glasses, that anonymity is going to be less and less for everyone as well. So then everyone's going to feel a little bit of what it's like to be a little famous. Because I think all of us are on our way to be a little junior league famous. Because now people pull up your profile right on their glasses and see you,

[B]

it's going to be true and experience. Because here's the thing, when it, when you first get it, it's almost like a new drug. It's like a hit of dopamine to where people are and you're like, oh, everywhere I go or you go to a restaurant, someone, oh, this, this gentleman wanted to pay your bill because he loves what you did on TV or he saw you in the wrestling or whatever the deal is. And it sets this false sense of security and this, and this false sense of acceptance because the people who really know you, who are frustrated by, you know, you didn't take the trash out or whatever, they don't see that side of you. They just see the finished product. Edit product on TV and then it's very easy to get caught up in that sense of, well, I'm somebody, I'm special. And then life has a way of chin checking you. The difference is when you are chin checked, it's not just necessarily with the people in your circle, it's everyone. Oh yeah, the same people who loved you and you're the best thing and blah, blah, blah, are the same people going, I knew he was a piece of shit. I knew he was this. I hate, I always hated this guy. You know, and there's, and then you can't escape it and depend. And in some cases you're just being called a name or something and then they'll just run with it because it gets attention. And also, I think it's really a lot of fun to do this. Oh yeah, people love to look at this guy. You know, forget the fact that three fingers are pointing back at you, right, while you're pointing fingers. But the, the look at them, you know, we're seeing with like the Tiger woods stuff.

[A]

I, I'm, I'm. What did he do?

[B]

Last thing he did was, well, he's not, he got another car accident. But the good news this time is he blew a clean breathalyzer, but apparently so it wasn't drunk driving, but apparently he was on allegedly that he was on some kind of painkiller and they found two pills in his pocket. I argued, but I was like, well, where would you carry him? But again. And then, of course, his excuse is that he wants to remain private. So he never has anybody drive him.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Doesn't take Ubers and stuff then?

[B]

No, nothing. Well, he's. Well, he's a. He's a freaking billionaire. I would think there would be somebody that would sign a non disclosure that could drive you around. But then again, the question is, what are you doing to where someone, even with a non disclosure, might have a problem with it? That's the question that popped in my head because the answer. His answer was so terrible. They're like, you know, a guy of your stature, why would you not have someone driving you? Also, given the fact that the last one you were in, you barely could walk away from, like, he doesn't just have fender benders. He flipped a car in a residential neighborhood. It's pretty hard to do. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Really.

[B]

I had to cover it. And I've always. I always try to, like, look at the. The human side of him. Like, listen, how do you know he could have been groggy. I mean, he did flip a car. He could have been concussed. But then when you see the mug shot and his eyes are red, scarlet red, it's a little hard. And he's not alcohol and he's got two pills in his pocket, chances are if it's a duck, quack, quack.

[A]

Where do you think he was going?

[B]

That's the thing. Where. And again, it's not fair because I've had. I always try to look. What if I go. Whenever I see something happen to people, it also, I think about what's going on in my world.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Problem is, I had Chris Hansen on last week. So my mind, when anybody does anything bad right now, it's immediately, what are they doing?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

What. Why would you. You know, so I'm not. Like I said, I. It's all speculation in my mind because I just went through some. Some interviews where I was like, you know, because the. The Catcher Predator stuff's. There's a dark humor to it. And I was. I was talking about, like, laughing about. Not laughing about, but talking about how certain characters on there. And then I had kids and it's not funny and it's not funny anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and that. So it's kind of like. So when I was looking at this Tiger woods stuff, I was. That's the first thing Upon. What are you doing that is so secretive.

[A]

I think he's just eating, if you know what I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you're. He's younger. He's not 50.

[B]

He's in his 50s.

[A]

Yeah, that's the. No, the new younger.

[B]

Yeah, he's.

[A]

You know what I'm saying. When you're a billionaire, professional superstar, legendary athlete, the number of females of reproductive age that are interested and do more than conversing with you starts to get

[B]

really high, I would imagine.

[A]

And then when you start to get really high, literally you start to scroll through your phone and be like, oh, really stupid mistakes. Yeah. I see you're in the Phoenix Arizona area and so am I. I can take my own car. Wait, I'm on too many drugs to drive. What's that in the road? Oops. Yeah, Flip Maybe some. A little bit of that.

[B]

I think that might be the best case, worst scenario. But even so you can have someone drive you for that. Even though is you're a scumbag and all the other kind of things. That's something that a bodyguard or is. Is kind of something they've.

[A]

Oh, easy.

[B]

It's.

[A]

They see all kinds of stuff.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. As a bodyguard for I had like a million clients and there was some bodyguarded before. Yeah. I was. Used to be Snoop. I used to be Snoop's bodyguard.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Bodyguard in LA a lot. I had a lot of different clients and stuff. And I can remember Snoop was the easiest because he was a homebody. All he wanted to do is play his video games and coach youth football and just do his tours. And. And. And so we. I saw like I. I had to get physical a few times but it was more with like just obsessed fans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of course that just had too much to drink and they've decided like I need to go see him or some guy is. Wants to try to get his rap demo listened to or whatever.

[A]

Oh damn.

[B]

You get a lot of.

[A]

Of shooting their shot.

[B]

Yes. And you try to like and you. In terms of coming back to. When you as a sports Dealing with sports psychology and stuff.

[A]

Physiology.

[B]

Physiology.

[A]

I'm not a sports psychologist.

[B]

I'm not worried about that. Then we're not. We're going to segue. Yeah.

[C]

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[A]

Physiology like actually Getting people jacked and strong.

[B]

Yeah, okay. He. This scenario won't work for this individual who is shooting a shot. But maybe if he was in his best mental and physical shape, he would handle things a lot more appropriately. Like, if you are physically right, you are a lot more confident, charismatic, and you don't decide to rush in with a demo trying to run by the bodyguard and get hemmed up.

[A]

But Tyrus hold up. If you're physically confident and you're feeling your swag cause you're in the gym, people saying nice things, you feel your pecs all and shit. Wouldn't that maybe if you're the right, wrong type of person make you even more liable to go rushing into shit?

[B]

Cause you're like, man, I would think if you're your best self, it's a lot easier to sell yourself.

[A]

I. I actually like. I don't. It's always a real trip when you meet people with different, like, human boundaries, personal boundaries. Because some people, like, if the Rock is sitting and having dinner at a restaurant, most people wouldn't even want to look in his direction because they're like, he's there with his family for the

[B]

love that he's a human being.

[A]

You would think. And most people like that. The overwhelming majority of people are like that. Some people would look at him, but that's it. Some people, if you walk to the bathroom would do one of these. Like, some people will absolutely come up to the table to ask for an autograph. That's a real type of person. I wasn't raised like that.

[B]

No. And here's the thing. I would argue that it has shifted. People are more entitled now, and it is different. And here's a perfect. Here's a perfect example. And I. I don't put myself in any crazy levels, but one of my biggest pet peeves is if you see me sitting with my family at a restaurant having dinner, they walk over and it's always the same line. I normally don't do this, or I know I shouldn't be doing this, but they do it anyways.

[A]

Yeah, they do.

[B]

And when you say. When you give them an answer, like, I'm sorry, I'm with my. And that's the only time I don't take pictures and stuff is when I'm with my kids or my wife because I'm on the road all the time, and my time with them is. That's special.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

So.

[B]

And you always try to say very politely, like, oh, you know what? I'm sorry, I'm not taking photos Today. Or selfies because I'm with my family.

[A]

How does it work? I've actually. I always say yes to those folks.

[B]

I always. And 95% of the time they say okay. And there's always the one who just won't take no for an answer. No way. Yeah, I've had that happen a couple times. Or they've said they've gotten rude to my family. That was probably. And it's usually like if we're in a restaurant, someone's had a little bit to drink. It's never. It's never a guy, really. It's always an older woman who walk up with too much wine. Yeah. And you know what? I. I hate the term Karen, because every Karen I've ever met has been nice. When. And here's the thing. When they do that shit and you call them Karen, they never look at you like, what? How'd you know my name? Yeah, it's. So that they wasn't. I think they changed the name of Jessica. Or is it Jessica's the new. I think the switch. They switched it. It was an official switch or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, that's fine.

[B]

When I was a kid, it was Becky. That was. It was Becky. Like, oh, here comes Becky. But, you know, I just think Karen's got a bum rap. Or at least keep it there. Like, statue of limitations. You can only get named it for a while and there should be like a ritual like, hey, annoying person, is Reginald and Debbie like, forgot, you know, because they just had a thing with. What was it the guy from that Reacher series, The big Jack guy and the male.

[A]

Alan Richton.

[B]

Yes. And he got attacked. He was with his kids. Yeah, a male Karen didn't like. He was with his sons and they were riding a little mini bikes. Little mini motorcycles. And they were riding his son and his boy up and down the street. And some neighbor decided to jump out in the middle of the street and tell him he was making too much noise. It was the middle of the day. And he pushed him.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

And he kept pushing him in front of his children.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

And then eventually he around and found out Jack Reacher. And he. I'm like. Of all the actors to pick, that was the guy, you probably weird. Who literally does a series about the best way to kick somebody's ass quickly, efficiently, without anybody seeing. And that's the guy you decided to. And it didn't end well for the guy he ended up in the fetal position with. Yeah. One shot. It was one shot.

[A]

But inevitably there's a lawsuit that has to come out of that, right?

[B]

No, because it was all on body cam.

[A]

Oh, there you go.

[B]

Reacher had body cam on.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yeah, he was riding it. Just happened to have it all on camera.

[A]

That's really helpful.

[B]

And the sheriff was like, you started it. He finished it. Have a good day, sir.

[A]

That was it.

[B]

That was it. That was it. Now, I don't. That doesn't mean he can't get a lawyer.

[A]

What was your Jessica incident when the. The drunk female that came up to your family was discourteous? I need to hear this.

[B]

So it's happened a few times, probably. My. My youngest daughter handles it the best, but they'll come up and be like, oh, normally I don't do this. And. And my daughter will be like, don't. Because my kids get very upset because they're like, whoa, this is our time. You know, and what happens is, oh, no, thank you. And she was like, we're sitting in a restaurant. And she was like, well, I pay your salary, so if I feel like I should get it, you know, I watch your show, so if I ask you for a picture, you should give me a picture. I think it's rude. And I was like, I think it's rude you're interrupting my. Me and my family. So the answer is, no, I'm not taking pictures. Have a good night. And she was like, well, as soon as I get home, I'll let everybody know not to watch the Gutfeld show anymore. And then I was like, well, it's not. That's not my. I'm. It's the Gutfeld show at the Tyra show.

[A]

Right?

[B]

I don't give a.

[A]

You even got the show wrong, lady.

[B]

Yeah. No. So, no, I'm just saying I'm on the Gutfeld show yelling him. I'm not going to give a shit. And you would think that it would be over. And then when we're walking out, she's like, well, you're done eating now.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And you're. And I was like, crazy. No. Like, absolutely not. I will never take a picture with you. Even if there's a fire, I will not take a picture with you ever.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

And they still. And they still just don't. Some people just feel like the entitlement. And again, it's one of those things where if I wasn't with my family, I take the picture. And it's. Honestly, it's not that big of a. It's not a big inconvenience. An honor, too, somebody recognizing you for your work and saying they appreciate you is a very cool thing. It's just sometimes people don't realize that there's a. What's going on in your world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, because they think somebody, they. The illusion of success in this country is weird because they think you're on tv. Oh, he's a millionaire and he has all these wonderful things and this, that, whatever. But maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's got three kids born in

[A]

the same year and a mortgage.

[B]

A mortgage. And you know, maybe he's got, you know, activities or family he's got to take care of. There's a. But you know what? Also the other side of it that comes with the, with the job 100%. Because you also need to understand that this is not a promised job. That's the one thing that bothers me. When somebody does get a run, you get entertainment, sports or whatever. And then when it's over, there's this. I can't accept the fact that it's over. I can't go back to civilian life. You know, I can't. I can't go get a job. Like if, if TV was over for me tomorrow I would go back to school, get a teaching job and coach football or basketball or track or something and just kind of just go back in to that life. And even though I know that people, no matter what I get out of teaching and, and molding young minds and seeing people graduate and go on to college, those rewards are just as, as, as important to someone as being recognized for being on tv. I would say almost more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But there would be a large population be like, what a has been.

[A]

Oh, sure.

[B]

What a loser. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Opposed to. He had his moment, it ended.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Somebody else moved, took his spot. Which happens. That's how it works. Called evolute. It's competition 100. There's always somebody better. And then he went on to teach and he's doing all right. But it's never that. Because the only people you see is the guy who's still looking for the light.

[A]

It's always kind of weird. I always. When I used to look at people that used to be famous and then they weren't anymore. The only question I have is like, I hope that person made wise, low risk investment decisions with their money.

[B]

It never happens.

[A]

I know, man. And it's with athletes. It almost never happens.

[B]

Athletes, but athletes, only ones get held accountable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Male athletes in particular. You never hear anyone talking about women athletes who blew all their money.

[A]

It's like that happens.

[B]

It happens a lot. But no One says anything. And they don't ever say anything about actors or actors like some of these guys who are doing like movies. You're like, wait a minute, why is De Niro still acting?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, you would think he would only come down for something like they found an un unpublished script of Shakespeare because he's done it all. But no, you'll see the guys in everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, wait a minute, you've.

[A]

How they need the money still.

[B]

They still need the money. And is it. And then fame is. And that's the only tool. But they don't want to work for. That's why I push back. They're not working for it anymore. They're thinking that they could just. They're one more for being back. You know, they don't, they're not trying to reinvent. They just need one hit, one controversy to get back.

[A]

Oh, that's, that's a double edged sword trying to get back with controversy, huh?

[B]

Here's our guess. All right, so let's talk bodybuilding and powerlifting. When you have an injury or a setback, it's very hard to get back to where you. Because people don't realize to be a bodybuilder, it's not working out in the gym once a day. No, your entire life is, you are manipulating your muscles to double and quadruple themselves, which they're not naturally, by nature, not naturally designed to do.

[A]

Definitely. Yeah. It's a lifestyle situation. And I think sometimes when you're super riding high, you're doing really well, everything's great. It's easy to kind of take that for granted and not even be grateful for it. An injury can wake your ass up because you'll be like, oh, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. My entire career is based on me being able to use my right quad and now I can't. Right. And then there's surgery and all this stuff. And at that point, I think it's friends, family, support, network, and also a belief in yourself that there is light at the end of the tunnel that'll get you through. That's like that for all sports. Because some of the stuff that really, really inspires me in sport, including bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman, but also like basketball, football, et cetera, is when you see with your own eyes, like you were watching that basketball game and a dude blew out his knee. And this has happened to a lot of the greats. And what do the commentators say? Inevitably, immediately next day on, you know, Monday morning sports radio, xyz Is done.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

MRI says it's blah, blah, out for the season, out for the season and never be the same again. And then sometimes, like, you really are done. But it's always so inspiring to me when people come back from injuries and they just dominate again and you're like, oh, my God, this is not like a stoppable person. And a lot of times I really live for the interviews they give them. Like, dude, you're back. You just put up 29 points. How.

[B]

Yeah, my Celtics, Jayson Tatum, he came. He blew his Achilles last year, serious injury. He came back crazy early. And he's. And he's balling right now.

[A]

Ballin.

[B]

They're playing. I mean, everyone's like, the entire landscape of the NBA is now going, hey, we could be back in it.

[A]

I have a psychological. Interestingly enough, I'm not a sports psychologist, but I have. I have a little formula that I have as advice for folks that get hurt in sport, and I use for myself all the time. As soon as you get hurt, give yourself however much time you think you need. To bitch and to moan and to curse the universe. What if it's 30 seconds? It's a minute, it's 20 minutes, it's a whole day. Get you some Ben and James.

[B]

When something bad happens to me, I always give myself 48 hours to be mad miserable about it.

[A]

And then when it's over, family members 100. And then the next thing you have to do is just clear the bitching completely out and go, what am I doing to fix the machine that is my human body? It's the same shit you do as an athlete, except you replace sport training with diligent rehab and getting nine hours of sleep a night and taking all the medicine they give you and making sure that you're watching tape all the time. We have really convincing research that shows that literally watching tape of basketball, it makes you better at basketball, especially if you're a seasoned player talking to other teammates, getting into where your team is playing, help and coach a little bit, doing whatever it is you can in order to get yourself back. Because at that point, it's kind of like you're not floating around in space anymore in your awesome rocket. You have to build a rocket again and launch it off the launch pad to get back to space. That's a project. And so if you're project oriented, it does two things. One, it gets you on the right track to get better. Duh, which pissing and moaning does zero of. And two, it gives you something to focus on. So you're not miserable with your knee in a brace. Go, man.

[B]

My knee.

[A]

Shut up. Go train the other leg. And that consolidation of purpose is massive. So for me, like, I don't even give. I give myself about five seconds of bitching every now and again. Like, I get hurt, I'm like, ow. What's the rehab plan?

[B]

Right away, Just looking and putting in front. What's the worst injury you've had to deal with?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I had a disc herniation in my lower back, and I was in so much pain even lying down, that I had to go to the hospital so that they could take the pain away. And it took me, like, two months to be able to train legs again after that. It was really bad. I mean, I couldn't bend down to, like, wipe the whole thing. So I just didn't wipe for two months. No, I'm kidding.

[B]

Right? Yeah. I'm sure you had a bidet or some.

[A]

I did not.

[B]

Garden hose, perhaps? Whatever.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A good. A good streak of rain outside, A really supportive friend.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

One or the other. So, yeah, no disc. You ever done anything, Your lower back or anything?

[B]

And the most. But I love to deadlift. It's. And it's the worst lift in the world, but it's the most satisfying. I always hear Everyone, you're 50. Why are you still deadlifting? It's because it's just some of the greatest moments of my lifting life was pring in the death.

[A]

What's your best deadlift?

[B]

695.

[A]

Dude, that's so sweet.

[B]

I. I enjoyed it. That's really good for long arms and being tall. I really enjoyed it. And for having one leg. But I. But I remember that moment of locking it out. There's. There's. It's a roar.

[A]

The finality of it of, like, I'm here. Yeah.

[B]

And the joy of letting that go. Like, I don't ever have to touch you again until someone goes, well, you know, the guy down the street did 705.

[A]

Damn it.

[B]

You know, you look at the board and. And the board, it was like, it wasn't even in the top. It wasn't in the top 10. So I was like. But it's called PR for a reason.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I lucked out because I always had for. Again, I had a pretty good bench, pretty good squat, and then I had some. The left, I had some leg issues with, so I had to kind of learn how to do everything. But it was never about numbers. It was just getting back to 90.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

For squat, it was getting back to 90. And for deadlift, it was actually getting to where I needed to go. And. But psychologically, not being able to squat, you know, £700 or because of anymore or being close to it was. Was rough because.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was like. But when you're younger, you train harder, you do some things and you get back. But then that magic number 50 comes around and it's no longer because.

[A]

Is that what it is for you, 50?

[B]

Psychologically, I think I had put that in my head, but I think it was just father time. Everyone's age is different. It's just. I just noticed that I would go from. I go in there, I do my lifts and, you know, they'll be like, oh, you should stretch or whatever. And I'd be like, yeah, you know, I'll get to it when I get to it. Yeah, okay. You know, stretching was never. I just want to get to the lift, get in and get done, get my shit ready and. But I noticed because I would lift two days on and I would take a Wednesday off and then two days on and the weekend to go wrestle or whatever. Two days on and then that Wednesday rest day. Then all of a sudden it was like two days on Wednesday. But then Thursday was really a pain in the ass. Just moving around and trying. So then the workout got less on a Thursday and then. Then Friday was even worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then I had to be like, okay, so I'm getting two good solid days. Monday, because I'm coming in. And so I had to restructure. I have to stretch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Every lift now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not good at stretching.

[A]

Better safe than sorry.

[B]

I have no choice if I would like to have a productive evening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I'm not going to be able to get out of the chair. And that's what ended up happening to me was it wasn't even in the gym. I was literally watching the Barbies movie with my daughters and sitting in my. At the time, my wife had a room where they. Their little viewing room and it was all pink. It was like their little tea party room. So I went in there to watch Barbies with him and. And I'm sitting there and I think I fell asleep in like the first 15 minutes. You know, I'm just.

[A]

You didn't find the Barbie movie to be compelling?

[B]

No. And you know what? That's okay. I was one of the people who were like, it's trashing. It's Barbie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's. It's not for us guys. It's okay. We got GI Joe, we got Star Wars. We're good. They can have Barbies. Okay. They can kick ass, and men are drooling idiots. It's okay. We're gonna be okay. If your manhood is defined by Barbie, you probably didn't have it anyways.

[A]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[B]

Yeah. So let it go. You know, let it go. But literally. And they watched the movie ended or whatever. They were Barbied out and they wanted to go outside. And I just went, let me go. Oh. And I couldn't get up.

[A]

Where did you feel it?

[B]

And it was lightning just shot down the legs. Down the legs. And it was like fire, Absolute fire. I never felt it in my entire life. And I had to. I could not stand up straight. I was like, hunched forward almost. I felt like almost 90. Like.

[A]

Yeah, man, it's terrible. Like, am I ever getting out of this position?

[B]

Yeah. And it's so frustrating. And. And I had never been hurt before in front of my family.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They see me limp and, like. But it's. I always would main. You know, it was never where it would stop me from doing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Family things. You know, I could take out the trap. You know, I might take a week off from the gym because I'm beat up, but it wouldn't stop me from driving. You know, Next thing you know, I need a cane just to keep me up, you know, when I'm traveling every week. Oh, this happened at. Right. Yeah, Right when I turned 50.

[A]

So thanks, God.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, wow, what a wake up call. But it was. And another thing is people also look at you. You go from this big, strong monster

[A]

to old man energy.

[B]

Yep. And not just that, but they. And I have to travel every week. So I was using my. My roller and my cane. Oh, Going through the airport.

[A]

You do get to get early seating, though.

[B]

Yeah, but.

[A]

But it's embarrassing.

[B]

You got to do the pre board with actual people in wheelchairs and stuff. And you're up there with the cane and.

[A]

Yeah, well, the cane legitimizes you because.

[B]

But people looking at you like.

[A]

Oh, man, they do look at you like that. They look at you different.

[B]

Oh, man, that's sad. He still has to travel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, he must not have managed his money. And I'm like, well, I'm. What are you talking about? Excuse me?

[A]

Like, I travel because I love it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. No, I travel because I. For whatever reason, my job's in New York. Life just works that way. But my family wants to live in

[A]

Florida, so is that the case for You.

[B]

Yeah, we just. I don't like New York. I can't do it. But. And I've traveled for ath, whatever it was, chasing football, bodyguarding, wwe. I'm always, always have been on the road. Whatever my path in life, you always have to work someplace, live somewhere else.

[A]

I'm on the road a lot, but not a ton. A ton. What's your, like, record for the number of days or weeks spent on the road in one given year? What's your, like, top end? Like, how much every year?

[B]

I'm probably on the road at least 275 days a year. At least. I'm. I'm on the road more than I'm at home sometimes.

[A]

So you probably don't get super stressed with travel anymore. Right? Like, you can't. You would.

[B]

Like, it's. You know what? I. I'm. When it happens, it just. It's like you. Five seconds of. The only thing I do differently is I'm the old man on the porch where I see everyone acting out and they'll be like, trying to figure out the riddle. And, you know, it's always nice to lean over and be like, the pilots are gonna time out. So we're not.

[A]

Yeah, we're not going anywhere.

[B]

Well, how do you know?

[A]

Just, I've been on this. Exactly. It's been five hours and 45 minutes. And then I went to work past

[B]

six, so it ain't happening. So I'll head out. But you also. I look at it again whenever a plane is canceled, I never have an issue with it. What are you.

[A]

Because what are you gonna do about it?

[B]

Because you want to fly with the one wing engine issue or exhausted tire pilot? No, I'm good. You know what? So the world might have to wait, dude, for me to get to the next place.

[A]

I love it. So I've been in planes a bunch where there's mechanical issues and people are like. Which is understandable. I hate it. But then people are like, why can't they just fix it? I'm like, hold up, hold up, hold up. Do you want them to rush to fix a mechanical issue on a plane? Really think through how important it is for you to get to Columbus, Ohio at 7:57pm tonight versus being in a plane that has functioning parts. Yes, I'm good to wait in a hotel for a night to get like a real plane. Plane that works, works. But some people, man, because you get in that mode of like, I gotta be there. And then all of a sudden someone could be like, look, there's we can load up the plane. There's a 50% chance it'll crash. Someone's gonna look at their. They're watching like, all right, let's go.

[B]

Yeah, there is. Because. But I think that has a lot to do with. And because we're talking it from the point. From an athletic standpoint, people who aren't doing things to. To make money with their body and athletics or whatever your deal is, there's that. That same intensity, but it. It's misused sometimes.

[A]

Directed towards scheduling and stuff.

[B]

Yes. Opposed to being the best. You sure. Well, you got to be able to. You got to be able to turn it on for yourself. But their. Their intensity is on. Bitching at the pilot for not being ready for the inconvenience.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That they're going through instead of like, well, you know what? This happened. I'm gonna figure it out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because they want it done for them. And I. I always see the same. And it's always the same. It's never the ones who paid for the most tickets. It's always the one who got the free ticket, a discounted ticket. They're the ones that are always going all in on everybody. And you're like, bro, you're not even. It's like, the guy who doesn't pay for. I was. Whenever I'm with my buddies, we always got the one guy, Aaron, who never pays for anything. And he's always like, oh. And he's the first one to critique the waitress.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

He's the first one to be like, oh, this steak, you know, I've had better. I'm like, yeah, which one? Just talk about the ones you've paid for.

[A]

Because if you're too grateful, people might think you don't even belong there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, you're too grateful. That means you got it for free. If you bitch a little bit, people are like, oh, he clearly paid a lot for this. He has a chance to bitch. And I think it's like a making

[B]

up for it kind of thing, because it's annoying. It's one of my biggest pet peeves.

[A]

It's awful.

[B]

And they also order the most elite thing on the menu, too.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because that happened.

[A]

You don't even like. You know, I don't even like this food. People have to see me eating it so that they know that I'm important. Expensive, nonsense food. I don't even know.

[B]

Which is insane, because you're with people who know you.

[A]

Huh. But you got to swag out anyway.

[B]

Nah. I started going, hey, look, where's your wallet Again, we'll wait.

[A]

Have you. Have you ever been around, like, ultra, ultra next level rich people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just sort of had to figure out on the fly how to act?

[B]

No, because I had this stupid thing where I don't. I don't care, my man. So it's. But it has not always served me well.

[A]

My Especially as a.

[B]

Especially as bodyguarding and stuff.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And someone's worth $1 billion and they'll tell me something I don't want to do. I'll be like, I'm not doing that good. Sorry, man. That's not me.

[A]

Wait, what kind of. What kind of stuff are you talking about here?

[B]

A lot of times it would be like, so the worst clients that I ever had bodyguarding were the ones who were really rich but not known.

[A]

Well, that's the ideal.

[B]

You would think. You would think, you would think. But they want to be known.

[A]

Oh, no, dude.

[B]

They want. Why? So when we go to parades, like, they would go on, like, to a close club or something. They want the biggest bottle service table.

[A]

They want to be seen, but no

[B]

one's coming to their table.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[B]

So they get.

[A]

Yeah, so they get.

[B]

They get a little upset.

[A]

Okay, and what is the response for you?

[B]

What I used to tell them to do. Because I'm. I'm. I've always been a comedian, but I was usually. I was my audience.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My buddies were my audience.

[A]

That has to be where it starts. If you don't think you're funny, you're done.

[B]

But my boys, you know, when our bodyguard cruise, I would do things for them, and I'd be like, in the car, be like, you know, most famous record executives always wear, like, a mesh hat and sunglasses. Really big sunglasses, super dark. And if you have those on, people are automatically going to assume. And then when they ask me who you are, I'll refuse to tell them.

[A]

Yeah, the mystery continues.

[B]

And then they'll want to know who you are. And he was literally. We had to go stop at a store.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It was like our Urban Outfitters. I think we stopped by to get the hat and the glasses. And we get there, and I remember one of the older bodyguards, it was four of us, and he's like, hey, how did you know that's a thing? I was like, I have no idea. I'm winging it. Did you want to corral people to his table all night? I'm not doing that. And the guy looked at me like he looked like I betrayed the whole team. But Lo and behold, we got there and he was sitting there with his bottle service and he had his glasses and his hat on and he was chilling. And people started going by like. And it started coming up to me, luckily.

[A]

Because when you're hiding, that means you're famous, right. And when you're trying to stream to people notice me.

[B]

You're an executive. That's all I can say.

[A]

I'm sorry. That's so sweet.

[B]

And that night, people kept coming up to him, kept coming up to him.

[A]

And he liked it.

[B]

Oh, he loved it. It ended up biting me on the ass because wherever we went, we had to set up shop. He had his glasses and his little hat on and he would be like, you know, go, go stir. And then I'd be like, well, you got to have. Cuz he would have, you know, his little. His cronies and publicist and stuff. And then I'd be like, well, they need to do. What they need to do is they need to go to different tables and be like, holy, that's that guy.

[A]

Yeah, man.

[B]

So you got. I'm. I like a good story.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you got to build it, you know, and you just kind of go with it. And I would do that stuff harmless, but it's entertainment for me because otherwise, for the next eight hours, I'm standing up while this dude lives his best life. Yeah. Or tries to. The least I can do is entertain myself a little bit. So I used to do little things like that because they have no idea. He had no context of what actual cool was.

[A]

And it turned out it worked a little.

[B]

It did. It worked a lot. And then he. It got to the point where people. After a while, it's California, it's Hollywood. After a while, eventually there's. You're going to be at a place. And I remember when we were at a place and Jerry Buss had a hole area and he's the owner of the Lakers and he had all these people. And then when they came up and they said, who is he? And I. I think it was on the other bodyguards, like, oh, he's a record. He's like, we don't want to talk about. And then Jerry Buss came out. Well, I know everybody in record business, you know. And then he's like, hey, aren't you the guy that owns Da Da Da? And he was like, you know. You know. But I was like that. When you get to a certain level, that shit only works if you are the biggest fish in the small pond.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When you start going to the bigger, bigger events because he started wanting to go to more things because people were flooding his little table.

[A]

It also depends on who you're trying to impress. If you're trying to impress chicken heads, as they used to be called back in the day.

[B]

Yes, I remember the chicken heads.

[A]

That is an easy way to do it. Sunglasses, hat, tons of bodyguards. No one's really around. They're going to want to know. Impressing other people of note is different because, like, if you're also rich and also an executive, you don't really care that much. And if I can't see who you are in the glasses and I'm also famous, I just don't give a. Yeah, but if I can see who you are and I know who you are, then you're in.

[B]

Because then you're like, hey, let's network.

[A]

You can only lie for so long.

[B]

Yeah. And I also think when I look back at that, when I was bodyguarding and I. I look at, like, what I thought was important because you're. As you grow and get this called wisdom, your changes. I'm still trying to get it because it's. Well, you think you have it and then someone reminds you a man and you don't know.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Usually a woman.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We'll let you know. Or. Or an older guy who's sees the mistakes you're about to make. And I was like, I wouldn't. I don't know about that one. But you do change. Because I think for young men in particular, because the first thing we want was we want status. Because if you. It's like Scarface. First you get the power, then you get the money, you know, and then the women. Then you get the women. But it's that. But it is kind of true because you just. At first you want to be noticed because that means more attention. That means you move up the alpha food chain, you know, and then, then you get to the point where you. You are noticed. And then one day you're noticed too much, and then you don't want to be. You just want to. You want to get to the top of the mountain, but you don't mind planting some trees around you.

[A]

It's something you want to kind of, in your ideal world, turn on and off, but you can't turn it off.

[B]

No. Once it's on, it's on.

[A]

Once you become famous, you don't become unfamous until enough people just who knew you literally die and they just aren't around anymore.

[B]

Or you. You try so hard to stay around that you become an afterthought. Like, oh, I remember that guy from movies, but now he's creepy. Like, you go. You go through that, you know, and you see. You see it happen. Like, every time I mention certain people's names, they end up making. Like, I made a joke about Scott Baio one night and I was just joking. And next thing I know, it was a whole thing on the net where he was upset and I was just like, bruh, I didn't.

[A]

That sucks.

[B]

Sorry. Sorry, Charles. Didn't know you were still in charge. But, you know, but like, it's just a harmless thing. And people just get really upset about wanting to get back. And I keep telling. And again, when it's. When mine's over. And I think this because coming from the sports world and then even in the wrestling world and then in the bodyguard world, I've seen it end so many times for people. Like, you'll see somebody on stage and they'll do something, and you'll just be like, well, that's a rap. You know, it can be that quick to where somebody has a. Or even, like, performance. You're filming a movie. And I've done a few movies, and I've seen an actress struggling and, you know, but like, she had such a big name, but she just can't get this new care. And you will see it go from nine people around her every day, like makeup artists and all this stuff and lines, and then they bring an acting coach, and then all of a sudden, there's nobody. She's reading her lines. The next day there's a new person there.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And it's like, over.

[A]

The machine keeps rolling on.

[B]

Yeah. And then the machine spreads out. Can't act. Just a pretty face. And it spreads like wildfire. And no. No casting director will touch you.

[A]

So that's an insider Hollywood thing of, like, people know who they're going to want to bring in. And if there's bad rumors about you not being a good actor, then they're, like, done.

[B]

Or, for example, for me, I was doing. I was doing MacGyver. I was doing Glow. I was doing the Purge. These are all reoccurring characters on TV series. Soon as the. The shit started with whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. And I started really getting some success on the Gutfeld show. Within an instant, the phone. No, the phone rings off the hook in one day from three different series saying, we're really concerned about this Fox stuff. Whoa. We're going to go in another direction.

[A]

Do you remember that with Gina Carano.

[B]

Yeah. Well, it.

[A]

The Star wars thing, it happened to her.

[B]

And because she was on such a big show at the moment, and it was such a. They announced the firing, which was. I think that's what made it. They were virtuous in what they did to her. It was. I think she was the first one where most people be like, she got fired for what? Like, wow. But they were announcing like, look what we've done. We've got rid of one. So it. When it. When it happened to me, it was just a phone call and that was it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, when it happened to her, it was. They wanted the world to know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That Disney does not tolerate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

These people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what. These. What is she. She votes conserve. Like, that is the reason. If you really break it down, that's

[A]

the reason she had like a tweet in which she said that she thought that some of the COVID stuff was like.

[B]

Of like an obsession in a country that's founded on.

[A]

You would.

[B]

Speaking your mind, you would think, yeah.

[A]

You know, like, are you gonna.

[B]

Is her fight. Did her fight already happen?

[A]

No, I think it's still to come.

[B]

It's coming up. Are you gonna watch it turn, Rhonda?

[A]

I was gonna make a really obscene joke. It's not gonna go over well. I was gonna say I was gonna watch it on mute. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that it wouldn't be a fight either. It would just be AI. Recreating those two people getting along better, if you know what I mean. Yeah. But just kidding. I might see the fight. I'm really bad at, like, getting to see. I'll see the fight for sure later when it's on YouTube 100%. I might not see it live.

[B]

What is your favorite thing to watch, though? What is like, what is the sport? Is it a sport?

[A]

Videos of myself. Videos of yourself live with just a camera right back in my face.

[B]

Just ego Narcissus in and out.

[A]

I mean, like times 10. I do have an actual answer for you on what I like to watch a bunch of different stuff. But one thing I really like is other athletes at their prime. Accounts of another athlete at their prime later. Like, I watched a whole thing on YouTube about other legends in basketball talking about Jordan, what it was like to play against him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Larry Bird, who apparently had like a massive shit talking game that was.

[B]

Oh, he was the greatest shit talker of all time.

[A]

And so it's just really cool when people who are also super accomplished cut You a ton of slack because you're that good. It's always like, super because you're like. If you have journalists talking about how good Jordan was, okay, yeah. It's your job. Coaches, that's a different thing. Other athletes that were on your team

[B]

actually competed against him.

[A]

People who compete against you saying amazing things and you know they're not lying. And the amount of quality, the texture of what they're saying is so informative. What is that? You see that documentary on Netflix, it was like seven parter, the Last Dance.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the Jordan shit.

[A]

Dude, I've seen that. I watched the whole thing three times. First of all, it's amazing historical documentary of the culture of the 80s and 90s. First of all, I look at that stuff. Remember the beret he was wearing and shit?

[B]

Everything he did, everybody wanted to do it 100%. He's the only guy in the history of the world that can wear a Hitler mustache. And everyone's like, oh, look, Jordan's new mustache.

[A]

Yep. I was like, yo, you know that's a Hitler stash. And be like, who the hell?

[B]

No, no, It's a. He's M.J. could change it.

[A]

Yeah. Could Hitler dunk? I believe the answer is no.

[B]

No.

[A]

Also another short king. That's probably why Hitler was so pissed.

[B]

Yeah. You know what? I'm starting to notice a lot of anger from the. The shortness.

[A]

The shortness. Napoleon Hitler, well, he was also.

[B]

It was also a shitty artist, too, bro.

[A]

That's it, man.

[B]

That's.

[A]

The critiques just took it all wrong.

[B]

But isn't this. It sucks that, like, Hitler, his name has been watered down. I mean, he was. He's literally the worst human being to ever live the world in terms of what he did. But it's used so much to where it's not even a thing now. Now somebody's like, oh, man, I'm sorry I was 3 minutes late for picking you up. Well, you're just a real Hitler, aren't you?

[A]

Yeah, man.

[B]

And you're just. Yep.

[A]

No, there's a bunch of words that they completely deflated. Racist means nothing at this point.

[B]

Nothing. Like, I prefer it. Yeah, I get called racist all the time, which is hilarious. I'm black and Scottish. But you're racist.

[A]

Well, you're a race traitor, too, which is really bad.

[B]

Which is worse, because that's what I. One of the things. Because they're talking about, oh, it's eased up now. Like, you guys can come back and work for Hollywood. I'm like, no, no, no, they're like, not you. You were different.

[A]

Unless the money's right.

[B]

No, no, it's just there's. You betrayed us.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

You will never like, bro. Especially black actors and entertainers that were like, nah, I'm not. That's not. What the hell? What does it matter? Unless you were like, Samuel Jackson set up. You're just. If you weren't. You are excommunicated. You are done.

[A]

Black conservatives have it real tough. Like, socially real tough.

[B]

And it's the weirdest thing because there's. But some of that's on us, because there was. I always look at if. If you take shit and you don't say anything about it, then you know

[A]

black conservatives for 50 years.

[B]

Yeah, but you know what? It is one of those things where, like, wait a minute. The Republican Party was the first black party because they were anti slavery.

[A]

Ah, you're doing this fact shit again, Tyrus. I don't have time for that. I have feelings.

[B]

Yeah, but lay out the Democratic Party. Party was not. When they say Jim Crow, I'm like, what? Yeah, but it should never matter. You should vote based on what's best for your household. It's the dumbest shit ever. Like, I laugh at people. Like, I voted for Obama twice, and I voted for Trump three times. I'm like. Because those are.

[A]

That must really confuse people when you say shit like that.

[B]

And it shouldn't. It was different periods in my life, and at the time, Obama's policies were all right with me. And here's the thing. There wasn't that much of a difference in terms of, like, him and McCain. The world wouldn't have changed that much for sure. These other. When it came to Trump and Hillary, I never was a fan of Hillary. Hillary, especially when she ran against Obama. The birthing thing was hers. The 3am call. Yeah. She was the one who. Who went there.

[A]

Isn't that a trip when you have the people in the primaries running and they just sling mud at each other, and then as soon as the primaries are over, one of them is the VP candidate. They're like, we're friends now.

[B]

Biden, he was this racist kid, and she was the reason why he was bused.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, that's the beginning of any great action movie. And then I'm here to kill you for what you did to my. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then Biden has a red cape and jumps back and is a great, awesome fight.

[A]

I got a good line. Biden would be like, how do you kill me if I'm already dead.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

Trailer makes itself.

[A]

Good movie.

[B]

We might be onto something.

[A]

Kamala versus Biden.

[B]

The Walking Dead.

[A]

Yeah. This. The scene opens with Kamala and, like, one of those pods and she's getting a ton of injections. And there's, like, digital readouts like, yes, she lost the race. But we upgraded her. We can make her come out of the pod, like, looking at her own hand.

[B]

So it's like the old million dollar man. 100 we can improve.

[A]

Billion Dollar Woman.

[B]

Yeah. Woman.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My bad.

[A]

I apologize. 100 and then I. So, like, do you think Joe Biden. This case would be like the middle of the movie villain that you think she beats him, but you're like, there's like an hour left and then there's somebody.

[B]

It's a huge swerve.

[A]

Somebody else. Or do you think it all leads up to Mecca? Joe Biden versus upgraded Kamala Harris.

[B]

I think Biden ends up becoming the victim.

[A]

Whoa. Damn. That's some Oscar.

[B]

Always. It was always. She was always there to replace him.

[A]

I was always on your side. Like, he was the last thing he says.

[B]

Because he didn't know.

[A]

He didn't know.

[B]

He didn't know. Which is believable.

[A]

And then she has, like, a crisis of faith. Like, this man put his whole life so that I could.

[B]

But no. She was too deep in the dark side. She didn't. She knew what her mission was from jump. That's what makes it so painful.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

He's like. Even when we had ice cream.

[A]

Sorry, Joe.

[B]

It was never about ice cream.

[A]

It was about the mission. What do you think?

[B]

Her.

[A]

Who's her ultra nemesis at the end of the movie? Where's. Where are we going with this? Because there's a lot of.

[B]

Who's her nemesis? Oh, her. Her arch nemesis would have to be.

[A]

She was vp. We've got JD Vance. That's a fine candidate. Trump. But I mean, like, come on.

[B]

Trump's like, no, it needs to be somebody like, somebody from the future. Somebody from the future who saw what happens. Bernie Sanders comes back from the future as a Republican. He's seen it all easy. He's got a ch. He's had to come back. And when he comes back, he's got hair plugs. He's rejuvenated. He actually comes back like a Benjamin Button situation. Because he went out there. He's. He came back from the future. Of course, by that time, everyone lives to 300.

[A]

100.

[B]

So it was easy.

[A]

Yeah. But.

[B]

But in terms of character recognition, we keep the Hair the way it is.

[A]

100.

[B]

We have to keep the hair.

[A]

Obviously. Like, he looks exactly like the same. Really disheveled, but he's like Dragon Ball Z powers. Like, he can fly.

[B]

Shoot. Complete autonomous Sanders.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Yeah. My son's nickname is Kakarot. I've been calling him Kakarot.

[A]

That's so sweet.

[B]

Yeah. And I love it when people are like, what does it mean? And I just go, I'm sorry if

[A]

I had to explain. Because if you explain that, it gets really awkward. Like, you see, there's this Japanese anime for children that as a grown adult,

[B]

I still want the one that is actually for kids. Right. But whatever, because it's the only.

[A]

You just lose people at that point.

[B]

Yeah, I just don't even bother to try. All I know is you have not lived until your four year old son, his temper tantrums, going Super Saiyan in a shopping market. And you almost want to see it. Because literally I would be. I used to remember being like, your power level is. And he's in the cart going, if your power level gets to 30, we'll get the Captain Crunch berries. We've done it. You know, people are looking around.

[A]

Show me your true power.

[B]

Yep. My daughter. Her daughter would growl and fire up and practice. And I remember her mom would be like, we had this. And my daughter was. My wife is from Louisiana. So all the babies, they have the big bows and stuff. It's very Southern thing. They're all adorable. So she's got a little big bow on. And she said, we're sitting in a restaurant and she's banging on the table. I'm like, that's my baby. But yeah, like the Dragon Ball thing, you can't. You can't explain it. Because my favorite is Piccolo. Dude, Piccolo's my guy.

[A]

Well, Piccolo, when he trained Gohan, Gohan was the one powering up all the time. And Piccolo was in the back being like, damn, this kid's gonna us all up.

[B]

I mean, and it was cool that, that Goku was such a cool dad. He had no problem with his son

[A]

wearing a uniform or worst dad ever. He's like, oh, yeah, go with my enemy for eight months to do whatever. I'm out. Here's an or else, right?

[B]

Eat a dinosaur.

[A]

Now I got to go to another dimension to like find some dragon or something.

[B]

Well, he dies. Well, you know what, though? He's not a deadbeat dad in the sense, like, even when he died, he came back.

[A]

Fact.

[B]

You got to give him.

[A]

That's like the Opposite of a deadbeat.

[B]

Yeah. And even Vegeta, who was borderline. I'd say verbally abusive. At the very least slightly. He might have. Didn't he knock Trunks up? Yes, he did. So he was all kinds. He still came back.

[A]

Yeah. Vegeta was a fine dad.

[B]

It took Majin Buu to whip his ass to get him to figure it out.

[A]

100%.

[B]

See, look. I. I'm throwing. I. You're legit. Because every. Not one time you didn't say who.

[A]

No, I'm. I'm in. Man, I was.

[B]

I was hooked. I had the. I had the DVDs. Box set.

[A]

Oh, yeah, man. I had the VHS tapes back in the day.

[B]

So I was. When it. I remember when it came. It came on the scene like an accident.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

It was like, literally just because Dragon Ball sucked, I had no use for it.

[A]

That's like, actually for children. Yeah. Careful. The mega nerds will find you in the street for such a blasphemous state.

[B]

Let if my time on this planet is ended by a mega nerd in hand to hand combat. I had it coming.

[A]

An honor.

[B]

I had it coming. He's like, we'll get no course from me.

[A]

Say Dragon Ball was the field.

[B]

Never. Never. I will come back in the. This line's stronger. If you strike me, I'll hit. I'll throw them off with a Star Wars. You can't use a Star wars thing. And by the time they figure it out, I'm in the car, I'm out

[A]

of there with your driver. Unlike Tiger Woods.

[B]

Yes, I would have a. But you know what, though? I really don't feel like doing painkillers and driving down residential neighborhoods in the middle of the day. I. I think you're on to. I think you hit the. If you said I. I. I'm not saying anything because I still got Chris Hansen in my head. From just a guy I watched literally religiously from 2002 to I have him in the chair. It was just like. And all I wanted to say to him was, have a seat.

[A]

Unreal.

[B]

You know, it's like, at some point,

[A]

were you like, hey, man, do you think I'm like one of those bad.

[B]

No. No. I knew I wasn't. But I did ask him. I did ask him, though. You know what was crazy? The one thing I was. Was, how do you personally handle that?

[A]

What a trip. Right?

[B]

Because you are dealing with, like, some of the worst human beings on the

[A]

planet who are there for one reason not to meet. Yeah.

[B]

Or never want to have and especially like some of the episodes that he went through. I asked him about the guy who brought the kid or whatever and he's like, that was one of the toughest because he's like, as a journalist is like, I know what I'm doing is important, but I'm like, how do you go home with that? Like, you know what I'm saying? Because we're all laughing and joking, but if we were sitting here laughing, joking, and all of a sudden this three time convicted pedophile starts adding his jokes, the show's not going to go very well.

[A]

Shit's not that funny anymore.

[B]

No, it's not. Because it's been. It was funny because it was something that you thought rarely happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now with social media and stuff, you're seeing this as an entire network.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's, it's. And like I said, I got six kids, so.

[A]

Six kids.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I picked up two in a marriage, so it's like. But I don't use this step.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're kids.

[A]

They're your kids. I feel that, like, it's not an emotional thing.

[B]

I paid, it's cash, you know? Yeah. I keep waiting for him to leave the nest.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. 23 and 20. I don't see any feathers anywhere. Yeah, it's tough, but it's, it's, it's not tough. It's made so easy for young men not to do now.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

You know, and then, well, they're not men. They end up boys, you know, and I. Oh, damn. The last thing you want is a 35 year old boy living in your house.

[A]

That sounds strange.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's not, it's not sexy.

[A]

Have you told them? Hey, all the time. Okay. Right.

[B]

All the time.

[A]

Got nothing to offer on this one. You could just say you can't live here anymore. You reserve that. Right.

[B]

I. Because I left home at 15, but I also grew up in an era where you had to take care of yourself.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Like you were when you went out and played for the weekend. It wasn't coming. Every time something went bad. Like you had to figure your own shit out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't think like kicking him out and like, well, you know, he knows at the very least he can make a fire, build a tent in the forest somewhere maybe. No, no.

[A]

Also no, no, no.

[B]

Literally, if the WI fi goes out, disaster. It's disaster. So they're just. It's one of those things where you want them out, but you know, it would be. It's not fair to Society to unleash them. Just.

[A]

Just burdening other people. Yeah.

[B]

It's just. And they're going to end up back. Back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's. And probably what I have to pay for whatever they. They did. So you just kind of hope. But also, I think, living in fear of your monster stepdad, constantly going, got a new job yet?

[A]

That's dope. You know, like, you're a mentor.

[B]

Yeah. When they go to say hello and you're like, all I want to hear is rent. You got rent. You know, so, like, I. I kind of. It's a tough love, but, like, giving them a little taste of. Of the world.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Because, you know, Mom's always going to make it better.

[A]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it is nice.

[A]

Until Bad Cop.

[B]

But Mom's already getting kind of like, all right, kids, it's time to leave the. Yeah. Mom does. That's when dad gets to go. Oh, I've been waiting. You know, because you've been empowered. Do you think you would be where you were today if you did not have your failures and your scars?

[A]

Probably not exactly.

[B]

Everything grows from those. And we work. I see parents trying to put these bubbles around their kids because they don't want them to have. You've gotta. You can watch them get nicked up and get banged up.

[A]

You just don't let them die.

[B]

Just. Yeah, exactly. Because that's how it was in the 80s and 90s. It was like, go out and play. Just be a little bit faster than the guy in the van with the wine coolers and Snicker bars. And if you're going to ride your bike, make sure your chain works. And no matter what, just make sure your ass is in the house by sundown.

[A]

Yeah, that's it.

[B]

That's it. If you came home early, they're like, what happened?

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

What did you do?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What are you running from?

[A]

I just can't go outside for the next two days. Maybe.

[B]

Yeah, but. But they. But there was a but you. Still. And it was camaraderie. You had to rely on each other.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

That's why. I think that's why friendships are different now, too.

[A]

Because you think so.

[B]

Because the guys you grow up with are. You all kind of went through it together. Because, you see, a lot of guys are. Now. I moved around a lot, so I didn't get that. But I. A lot of the buddies that I played college ball and football with or they have guys they've been friends with their entire life, like, their core, but they all kind of grew together. And when some they. They have these very strong. I think. I think men are pack animals, you know, like, we kind of do definitely. You know, women are a little more or less, but I think for us, it's kind of like a. It is like there's a camaraderie there, and it. It helps you in life because your boys know you.

[A]

Your boys, the crew, they.

[B]

They also know when you're up.

[A]

I'm a little concerned, just a little concerned about the fact that I don't have any stats to back this up. It's some fraction, at least, of the population, doesn't have a lot of close friends.

[B]

I. I think. I think it's a. I think it's bigger than. I think the reason why is because their best friend has become their phone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you'll look at somebody, would they put their phone down to hang out with their friend? Like, could you put your phone down for the weekend? Could you do it? You know, And a lot of people, they would get anxiety. The question isn't. The answer isn't right away, like, yeah, no problem. It's. Why would I do that?

[A]

Right.

[B]

What's the point?

[A]

Y.

[B]

What if someone needs to get a hold of me? Like this inflate, like, what. We had a. We used to have phones. If you weren't in the house, you didn't talk to anybody.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And the world went on just fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, you were just fine. Because I. I literally had an argument. It wasn't even argument. Discussion. Wife was like, why do the days feel like they're so much shorter and we don't have enough time to do anything? I said, I think because we. The time that we used to figure things out or go to the store or go for a while is now you're doing it all on your phone.

[A]

Yep. I think people are doing this well. But there's still some folks having trouble with it is getting used to the inundation in the digital revolution. Like, there's just so much input stream.

[B]

Do you think it's gonna kick back? Do you think we're gonna go through, like, a recourse where all of a sudden it goes from? Cause I think it's gotten to the point where people would rather be in a relationship with a phone than another person and some especially younger people to where there's gonna be this. All of a sudden this. I hate to use the word conservative, but, like, people are going to reject technology and go back to like, no, I want a landline. I'm Going to live my life you like? Or is that be. Would that be considered a cult? Because I think about if WI fi

[A]

went out tomorrow, chaos.

[B]

It would be absolute chaos.

[A]

Yeah, it's a really good question. I think that two things are going to happen in the next five to 10 years that are going to be a real big deal. One is you're not gonna do much clicking on your phone anymore or your computer. You're just gonna talk to your AI assistant. That'll do all the clicking for you.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And that means, like when you get to talk in human verbal language to something and you don't scroll through screens anymore, you might get a little less of that Twitter brain. You know, you've been doing this for forever and there's like dopamine hits. I think if you talk to your AI, your AI can even help you be like, hey, like, you've been on the phone a lot today. Why don't we unplug? What do you think you'd be like, okay, that's a good idea because no one right now is telling you that. It's just you. And the phone's always like, touch me touc.

[B]

But, but the. Then the AI would be that if the AI was doing that, then the phone companies would be freaking out because those are opportunities for them to make money.

[A]

Well. Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have a serious question. Yep.

[B]

Are you ready?

[A]

Yes. Okay. If you were building a combat athlete from scratch, an MMA fighter, grappler, boxer, kickboxer, whatever it is, at what age would you introduce like the actual skill of training that combat sport? And at what age would you introduce strength training? Like what do you think is too much or too little A real. So it's all averages. I'll give you an average to give you two numbers, 6 and 12. 6 to introduce sports skills, 12 to introduce resistance training. But the real big modifier on both is how much are they motor skilled, matured, and how much do they like it or want to do it? If you have a 10 year old who's like, I want to lift weights and I understand and mature enough to do good technique, shit, hell yeah, kid, you can do it at age 8, it doesn't matter you at age 6 if you want, but at age 6, very, very limiting physical movements, which you have to like do really good technique while the weight pushes back, it just generally doesn't vibe well with six year olds and the MMA training itself. Six is a fine age to start. The reason I said 6 is because typically some 6 year olds are mature enough to be able to learn things. When you're four, you don't learn shit. You just like playing. But six gives you a long run up because the kids that started early, they speak the language of movement in a way that you can't teach older. If you have someone who learned to speak Spanish after age 18, they can be fluent. But everyone knows that they are born in America and there's some shit they just will never be able to say, right? But if you had a kid learn Spanish from age 6, they're going to be completely bilingual and everyone's going to be like, I thought you were from Argentina. I'd be like, nope, I'm New York City. I just like happened to live in Argentina for 10 years when I was 6 to whatever, 16. The same thing is true for combat sport, straight up. So the earlier the better. Dr. Mike, thank you so much for joining the show. Yeah, whatever, kid. Is that cool to say? That's it.

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