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General McCaslin has apparently gone missing.
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What you find is that there are a bunch of thugs and it's like a mafia that just flat out kill people or at the best they will buy them out. A missing top secret general from Wright Patterson Air Force Base who worked on covert and very dark UFO programs. Missing is a much bigger story. What is keeping me awake at night is that it could come out catastrophically.
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Thank you for Joining me today, Dr. Greer. I guess we should just get right into it. I was going to go into, I had an intro where I reminded everyone what you've done, the work you've done, the sacrifices you've made. And the last time we, we talked you talked about with the research that you, that you've done, the things that you've discovered with extraterrestrial life forms and understanding. There has been a lot of blowback and just major life, extremely difficult. They tried to ruin your career, besmirch your career and then now, I mean just we have people missing and that's basically the gist of it. And I, I, I just, I just want to get right into it.
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Sure, let's do so.
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Okay, so. And General McCaslin has apparently gone missing and are you familiar with his background? You guys have worked together I'm assuming.
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I didn't work with him. I know of him since, for about 20 some years and he was a Wright Patterson Air Force Base General. Remember Wright Patterson was one of the key facilities where the early extraterrestrial debris and materials and bodies were sent. It's an old facility, but still very active. We have people there. I have been there and I have actually met with the head of the division of that Air Force base. Right. Patterson, Dayton, Ohio that works on the ET materials and that was back in 1993, long time ago. But McCaslin was there later than that. But he apparently has gone missing. Now what my investigation team that involves senior military and law enforcement. One of the possibilities is that because I can't say too much about this because it's secret, I'm working with senior law enforcement in the United States now knows that there is a criminal Rico mafia type operation dealing with keeping UFO programs secret and that they're treasonous. And so we don't know if, if he vanished because someone took him or he disappeared himself. So it's possible that he's on the lam. That's an equally equal possibility. Now there are other people who are scientists who have gone missing, who have been killed and we do know this has happened. If people look at the Lost Century, which is our documentary about the technologies that have been developed and people trying to bring those out who have been assassinated and whatnot. And I know some of those personally over the years, over my 35 years, there is a distinct possibility those folks were just good scientists, these women who were very brilliant who came up with gravitational field like anti gravity systems and energy systems. And we do know over the years that Floyd Sweet and a whole lot of other people for decades have been assassinated or disappeared. And because they've been trying to keep us dependent on Mideast oil and the global petrodollar system, one of the things people don't realize is that one of the things I say when I go into like the Senate Intelligence Committee skiff a secure compartment information facility where you exchange top secret. I say, you see this object moving, I'll put something up on the screen like the Tic Tac. That's an alternative energy and propulsion system. If those come out and gets disclosed and it's disclosed that we have figured it out, we'll be off Mideast oil and fossil fuels in 15 or 20 years. Now that's a very good thing for ending poverty and the environment and people's cost of living. Talk about affordability. Everything would go down in price drastically. But you're stepping on about 1,000 trillion dollars of someone's toes, right? The big global interest. So this is where it gets into a macroeconomic issue, right? And so when people come across that kind of tech, let's just say you're a guy working at MIT and you come across a plasma type system, that you get the energy system started and it starts putting out 100 kilowatts of free energy because it's tapping into what's called this zero point energy field that is at the baseline energy that supports all of space, time and matter. And this was quantified back in the 50s, by the way, by Professor Casimir. Now we unpack all this in this documentary, the Lost Century. But you know, I've dealt with this for many, many decades. And what you find is that there are a bunch of thugs and it's like a mafia that just flat out kill people or at the best they will buy them out. Like I knew one guy had one of those devices and he didn't have a pot to pee in, excuse my language. And next thing you know, he's driving around in lamborghinis and wearing $5,000 Armani SU. He got about a 10 million or plus buyout. And then that technology was Black shelled. It was acquired and put on a black shelf so the public wouldn't have it. It's called black shelving. So there are many mechanisms, but ultimately some people who persist they're a little too much trouble and it's easier just to make them look like they committed suicide or what have you.
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Now is that where Monica Raza kind of falls into? She was a scientist who she paneled the nickel base super alloy brought her into orbit or got her into recognition. So, and then she has, is it, she's missing or is it confirmed she's not with us anymore?
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I don't know. I mean we just don't know it's missing. There is one who was down at the University of Georgia or Georgia Tech who was killed. And it's quite clear that that was some skullduggery and no one has solved that murder. I also know that my dear friend, MIT professor and researcher Eugene Malov, that I worked with, who was a brilliant physicist, Harvard and mit, he had worked with someone that had one of these devices some 20 years ago. And he was beaten to death outside his parents house because he had called me a couple days before and said he had an operational system. I said bro, you better pull put those plans on the Internet and disclose them immediately because if you keep those secret, you're dead. And he wouldn't do it. And the next you know he's dead. So our advice to these people is don't sit on these trying to make money or keep it in a patent system. The patent law by the way, can use, or I should say abuse the National Security act to seize patents on this subject. And we can prove that this has happened many times. I was on Patrick David's show last year and, and he asked me a lot about this because he had found this clause in the patent law from the 50s where they were able to seize advanced technologies that were related to energy and they had done so. And so, you know, this is a real problem because, and I always say this is why potus, the President and the Attorney General, well, she just got removed. But also the FBI should be providing protections around people who are in the tech sector dealing with energy and propulsion who are trying to disclose that information because you know, it's outrageous that these murders have been going on for decades and no one's done anything about it.
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I mean, and the connection is, is, is it's not the connective tissue isn't hard. I mean literally she's working with what I don't understand. And we will Spend weeks covering domestic kidnappings and issues and. But when something like this happens, this to me, regardless of whatever your position is on other lives or this should have been a front page story. We have a foreign entity could have had him. I mean, our borders are wide open. I mean, there was a there. But the fact that literally you have to just trying to research to ask you questions about this, there's nothing there to which automatically what normally happens is like, oh, he. They're. They're full of it. But I think I'm starting to see that that's kind of like the design. Because this to me seems like something that everyone should be paying attention to. I mean, we literally have. And I, I guess the mainstream or whomever has done a really good job of watering down anything that has to do with extraterrestrial anything. We literally have Avi Loeb, who I have a lot of respect for and I'm having him back on because we just had the. I'll call it an asteroid. I'll just be polite. But it's passed as closest to Jupiter, which would have been telescope wise, best chance to get a real good look at it. And this should have been on every network, you know, like. And. Because those appendages on the end do look like thrusters. But we haven't been. We had another opportunity and it wasn't used. And you're seeing this thing where the whole point of being a scientist is theories and new and not knowing everything because we don't know shit. And here's an opportunity of a lifetime and maybe it's just a rock, but we're not even investing.
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I actually think it is. Now, the problem with Avi Loeb is he's trying to get a billion dollars for a planetary defense system system which is part of the disinformation effort. And so I tend to be very skeptical of a lot of this. You know, by the time someone like that is allowed on Joe Rogan. Remember I was on Joe Rogan and got banned because.
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Because you. Yeah, you're.
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And that's the truth about it. And I think that same thing happened with Sean Ryan, the Navy seal. After myself and a couple of my whistleblowers went on exposing the man made Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman UFOs, UAPs. He got threatened. And I have the voicemail of Sean leaving. Sean Ryan leaving me a message saying, my entire family and staff have been threatened and I can't have this on my show anymore. Since then, he's only had disinformation operatives on, which is very interesting. So my project, having done, done this for decades, what we learned is that in the. It was like early 1990s, mid-1990s, I was in New York sitting next to a guy named Bob Schwartz who was good friends with Mike Wallace at 60 Minutes, and he said, look, he said, Dr. Greer, the fourth estate is dead on. Anything this important, they'll report salacious stuff or minor issues. But in terms of a free press in the United States, we're no more free than communist China or Russia. And what I have discovered, even though, you know, I'm a big, you know, First Amendment person and believe in democracy and a free press, is that we have a quote from the managing editor of the New York Times decades ago, saying, it's not all the news that's fit the print, it's all the news that the elites want you to know. And so this is very disturbing because the foundation of democracy is an informed citizenry, as Eisenhower said. And how can they be informed if the major news outlets are blocked or people who are sincere truth seekers, like Sean Ryan was, are threatened if they have someone on that actually tells the truth? See, this is the problem.
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Well, and also another thing is in holding back this technology or this knowledge, who's to say China's gonna do the same thing if they fall? I mean, it just, it just doesn't. Oh, I'm just. Yeah, but I'm saying they. I would imagine if I was a smaller country that can't compete with the United States economically, militarily, if I could find a way to reduce my energy to nothing, I would be all about it, you know, and so, and, but
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the organization, but the organization keeping the secret is global. And, you know, I had, I had a research team, you know, if I have time.
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Yeah, you got all the time in the world.
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There was a, A guy, a sort of an eccentric, who had a car running on water named Stan Meyer back in the 80s.
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Yes, I know the story, all right?
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And I, I, when he died, he was murdered.
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Yes.
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And my team was invited by the heirs to put in a bid to acquire all of his equipment. We didn't have enough money. I'm a retired doctor. I'm not a billionaire or whatever. And there was an engineering group I later found was funded from someone in the House of Lords from the United Kingdom who was very wealthy, who outbid us, and they took it to Michigan, and it was all this equipment, including something that looked like a donut, a toroid, that was a free energy device that already had been slapped with a national security order. And this is something that would run your house, your car, whatever. Well, the next thing you know, you know, I get a urgent frantic call from Lord, I won't say who it is saying, Dr. Greer, we need your help. That entire engineering team in Michigan have gotten these things to work, but they're being threatened and we're concerned they're going to be killed. I said, well they will be if they don't follow these instructions. So I wrote a two page strategy of what they needed to do urgently, but they didn't want to do it. They said, well, what if we went to the Amazon? I said look, you'd have to go to another star system to escape the reach of this organization that wants you to stop. And the next thing you know, I think it was 18 or 19, all of them were killed except one, one survived, who met with a friend of mine in Orange County, a very wealthy businessman, and he was crying like a baby and he said, they've all been eliminated and the technology vanished. So that story I just told you I could repeat dozens of times. And so this gets into this whole question is I keep asking, where is the FBI? Where are, where is our national security white hats who of course, I keep talking about our vital national security interests and energy independence. And now we have $4 a gallon gas because we're dependent on the Straits of Hormuz in a 7th century culture that we're fighting. But the whole world is dependent on this stuff and we need to get independent of it. Now look, if these technologies came out Today, it take 15 or 20 years to get them in widespread use, right? It's not downloading an app, you have to build them. Right? It's heavy machinery, it's heavy industrial, it's retrofitting every car, jet plane, electric grid, all of it. It's a enormous, it's like the Marshall Plan for Europe at the end of World War II, for the entire planet. Now if we had done it a century ago or 50 years ago, it would have been a lot easier, right? So now we're in the cruxes of a dilemma, not only geophysically with the oceans being polluted and everything else. You know, 6 million people a year die from just air pollution, particulate matter in developing world because the air is so filthy. That's the number of people who died in the Jewish holocaust for the whole World War II, every single year. But we have the solution. And imagine someone wanting to drive their F150 that costs $125 to fill up. Now it would be, you wouldn't even have to plug it in. It would be an electric generator that would be started up by a tiny little battery, not up 900 pounds of lithium ion batteries. And it would just run and it would never run out of energy because it's pulling energy from this quantum battery
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and because it would just run. There's no opportunities for breakdowns, for repairs, there's no upkeep for gas and there's no, you need to get a new one. So that, right, those three things right there, that's about a couple trillion dollars in revenue right there. Correct.
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So now on the other hand, you know, with AI and robotics, eventually the work week can go down to 15 or 20 hours a week and there would be abundance and we would just have, it would just be a reforming. I tell people this would be way bigger than the original industrial revolution. Right. Of the last 150 years. It would be 10 times bigger. And it needs to happen. And you know, and the president does speak correctly of coming into a golden age.
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Right.
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But we're not going to get into a golden age using 1800s energy technologies. Right. We're going to do it by still having abundant oil and gas during the transition. See, this is the problem. There is a period from the release of this and disclosing it to when it will be in widespread use globally because there is a 15 or 20 year lag time industrially.
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Well, and here's the other, here's the other thing that I was thinking about while we're, where we're talking about this is that if we've had so many fraudulent money making schemes in terms of green energy and windmills and solar panel and all this stuff that doesn't, doesn't work or at least for the amount of money it costs. And, and, but even with using that, you're still dependent on the other things to get those things to run. So it's like this, it, this never ending trying to just get as much blood as they can out of the turnip and
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I call it environmental theater.
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Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. They're like, oh, the polar bears are dying so everyone needs to invest in windmills. But oh, by the way, we're killing all the birds and messing up the whales sonar. But other, but other than that, you know, things are please invest.
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Right, yeah, it's a trillion dollars. You know, every time they come out with a new.
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Exactly.
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Environmental pseudo solution.
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It's like iPhone always changes the charging apps, the charging batteries the piece to go in your phone. Because once they make the new one, all the ones you have aren't worth anymore. So you, of course you got to buy new ones. But when you, when it happens in, in the, in the market, you're like, ah, that's just them doing business, but they're doing this with, with. It's the difference between everyone getting a fair shot and keeping certain people in the Stone Age. And maybe that's the design.
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Well, it is. I call it Masters and slaves.
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Right.
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I'm living down the street from Thomas Jefferson's home. You should come visit. And we're living in an era where there are the super oligarchs that globally control all this. And I don't care if you're elon Musk with $200 billion, that's nothing. Because these organizations are controlling hundreds of trillions of dollars. No one even notices a few hundred billion in that world. And I know them. So I think that people need to realize that there is a system that we're running in that requires, for example, you know, there are 3 billion people in the world that don't even have energy to cook their food. Three billion out of eight. That's how much poverty there is. Now. Imagine in a generation that going away and even the desert shall bloom like it says in the Bible. Literally, with these technologies and water shortage, forget it. You could desalinate. Two thirds of the earth is water. The main cost is energy. But if the energy drops to zero, you have water and then you can create. If the energy is zero cost. You could have indoor type micro environments to grow orange trees at the North Pole or wherever you wanted to. This sort of microagricultural. So, you know, in fact, I mentioned this to RFK Jr. I think briefly when I saw him at Dr. Oz's house a while back. But I think that, you know, there's so many amazing things that can happen, but we've got to move on from the 1800s. And really our entire economic, industrial and energy system is stuck in the late 1800s. If you count nuclear power mid-1940s. Okay, yeah, but most of the world
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is in the 1800s.
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Yep. They're not even there. They're not even in the 1800s.
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Yeah, they're not. You know, it makes me think a lot about early in our country's history when there was the, there was the fight for electricity. Right. Because the other guy had a technology that sounds very similar to this. And it was basically, there was. But everyone would have electricity. There was no Wires. It was, I think it was a ground conduit. If I remember right. Tesla, I think it was a ground conduit that was like, yep. It would pass energy underground to everyone and there was no way to subsidize it or make money from it. So they, what, stuck his ass in an insane asylum so the other guy, who could charge and make everybody money, could set up his stuff. And now every. All over the world, you would think with two options, at least one would show up somewhere. But it was that technology was never seen again. Said it was crazy, didn't work, whatever. But anyone who puts a potato in a cup with the water can see that you can pass electricity through things. So it's just. Without getting hurt. So if you look at history, this has been going on for a really long time. It had nothing even to do with extraterrestrials. It just has to do with man's greed and monopoly.
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Now, what really potentiated the tech sector in the COVID world was a lot of that existed in the early 20th century, all the way even. There were high voltage systems that caused a lifter anti gravity effect in the late 20s. Tetonsen Brown and others, if you look it up, and Dr. B Field. And that became classified in the 30s and 40s. But when we retrieved, we used a directional energy weapon system to down ET craft and we began to reverse engineer their tech. So imagine what was already kind of developing over the previous 80 years being supercharged by studying interstellar.
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How else do you explain the jump? I mean, if you look at our timeline, it's impossible. We literally couldn't figure out how to tie a rock and a stick together for 70,000 years. And then all of a sudden we tie in together and less than a couple hundred we literally can face. I mean, we can facetime someone on the other side of the world. Like that didn't just come from two guys sitting down with some wires going, hey, if you were on the other side of the room, like that came from somewhere. And, and it's, it's almost insulting. It's insulting when they, when we, when you even ask like Apple, when what was the first Apple board iPad look like? Can we see a picture of what that looks like? They will never see it. We'll never see the guy in his garage going, oh, I got the music to load. I got the. You know, like, we'll never see the human inventor because it didn't come from us. And that's just. And I. Would you have any stat? Yeah, I'm seeing it. Show me. Show me the video of the dude from Apple designing the first iPad. I would love to see it.
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Well, you know, Colonel Corso, who came forward after we did our National Press Club in 2001 with. By the way, you're invited. We're doing the 21st anniversary on May 8th in Washington. I hope you can come. Your viewers are welcome to come. I think the hall holds about 300 people, but we're going to release a whole lot of new information and whistleblowers will be there. We have Green Beret guys and some other folks and army and Marine dudes who've worked in these operations who will be there. But when we did that first one, and then Colonel Corso came forward, who had worked in the 40s and 50s on what was called the Technology Transfer Program from ET Tech, and he confirmed that integrated circuits, fiber optics, night vision technology, all was a spinoff from studying extraterrestrial material. So a lot of the air material command and out at Wright Pat, you had the. Back then, it was called the Foreign Technology division of the Air Force, had top scientists that were brilliant study that. And, and it combined with known electromagnetic systems. But it's sort of those two. Those two streams coming together made a river of innovation and discovery. And I tell people, look, it's time for us to have a peace dividend to benefit humanity from all this. I mean, our taxpayers have paid for it, man. You know, I mean, I estimate somewhere between 8 and 12 trillion dollars have gone into those covert programs since the. The 50s.
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And obviously, whenever it, Whenever it comes down to the consumer, that means it's outdated.
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Oh, yeah. By the time you see it.
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Yeah, it's outdated. Yeah.
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It's like all the AI stuff. I say, yeah, yeah. That would have been interesting in a covert program in the 70s.
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Exactly. There's stuff that, you know, that we have no idea what they're able to do now, which probably in a free society, a free republic that we are. We live in, would probably be a problem because they are able to survey completely undetected. You know, and like I said, we get to the top. And I feel like I didn't even want to pass over to. A man and a woman are missing, and this is one of several. And they are connected. And again, I don't believe in coincidences. I just feel. And there's certain things, I don't think the average scientist or the average general is a careless person that just goes on benders on the weekends and disappears and is a free spirit for them to come up missing. And their work is controversial because they are questioning and then boom, they're missing. And again, these are two names, but one of many. And then there's nothing in the media. And that's what makes it so hard to not go, what the hell, because literally, and again, I'm not throwing any shade, but there was an elderly woman that was kidnapped and it was national coverage and it should, but so should this be. The question is why is it not? That's the they, they. And you already know the answer.
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Yeah, well, you know that. And a missing top secret general from Wright Patterson Air Force Base who, who worked on covert and very dark UFO programs. Missing is a much bigger story, as tragic as it is with the other lady you referred to. But, you know, as a doctor, I'm a trauma and emergency guy. I saw atrocious things every day that never got reported in the media. But this is of significance. Now, One thing about General McCaslin, he was the guy that. There was a young boy, a young man that I had mentored named Tom DeLonge who is part of a group called Blink 182. And he stayed out here at my house when he was on the path to this. Shortly after, I introduced him to all this and he got intercepted by General McCaslin and others who then disinformed him and put him on the path of some very dark stuff. Sort of like what the Vice President said Friday on the Benny Johnson show about, you know, these aren't extraterrestrial, they're demons and stuff like that. But here's the problem with that. He was in charge, General McCaslin, of not only operations dealing with this at Wright Pat, but also intercepting people and providing them with disinformation to spin it. So he's in a lot of trouble just from the point of view of operations that he was part of. So one of the things that our investigators and our military guys are. It's speculation at this point, but he may have disappeared himself because the noose is closing around some of these criminal elements that are in the so called deep state. Right.
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Or he. Either that or he knew too much and he's, he's a problem because he knows where the bodies literally are buried and he helped throw some dirt.
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Well, this is the other problem. I'm working with a whole team of people in covert programs that when they started coming forward, forward, there was a meeting in a skiff where it was being openly talked about killing them before they could reach out and come forward with me. And so Those people went to ground. They were going to release to me a little over a year ago before the inauguration of multiple terabytes of video and data of retrieving these craft and bodies. And they went, had to go dark because, you know, it was quite clear if they did that, that their families and they would be at risk. So this is why I keep asking for. We need federal marshal protection and we need strong FBI prosecution against criminal elements that are actually are committing treason. And the reason I can say that with authority, and I'm one of the few people can say this, having briefed administrations and people like the CIA director all the way back to Bill Clinton's first one and three star generals who've been head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, every one of them being lied to or denied access to these programs, that is a complete insubordination of the chain of command and it is treasonous. So these covert UFO programs, what they euphemistically call legacy ones, have been operating criminally and treasonously since the late 1950s. So I think this is one of the biggest constitutional crises in the history of the United States and it's probably the biggest actually since the founding of the country. And here we are at our 250th year anniversary. Be a great year to correct this.
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Yeah. Do you think, and this is a very speculative question, but in dealing with, seeing with how they're handling when the bodies and the spacecraft, do you think that the particular alien groups that interact with us think of us as a hostile species? Do you think they look at us as some of the trait because this behavior comes off very hostile and unwelcoming?
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Well, I think it's realistic from what I understand is that they see most humans as just fundamentally good people wanting to go about their life and go and have society advance. Right. But you have very powerful sociopaths, high functioning sociopaths, who get into these positions of great power and influence covertly and in the corporate world. And that's the problem. But that's a fraction of a percent of humanity. So I don't believe they view humanity that way or earth that way. But they do believe that our most powerful technological powerhouse, which is this covert UAP, UFO area, is hostile. And it is hostile. I mean, I have multiple guys on my team who have been on projects where we've been using illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons to target these objects and hit them and bring them down. And we're not talking one or two of them, we're talking at least 1,000 to 2,000 of them over the decades.
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Wow.
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And the ETs that are captured are tortured and interrogated and often die in captivity. And I know this for a personal fact, so I think that from their perspective, I always tell people if they were hostile to us is why I was talking to Congressman Burleson and Burchett about this. If they were hostile to us, we would have been. Had our clock cleaned in 1945, it would have been over.
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Right.
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Made the first atomic bomb. And I think that they're very patient. I think they've been around long. Thousands of years. You know, this buga sphere. I just got back from Mexico City, where I was at the national auditorium with 8,000 people speaking about this. And it's this weird ET object that was flying around that got close to a power line and landed. That thing is 12,500 years old.
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Oh, wow.
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And, yeah, we carbon dated it. I'm going to actually put a lot of that information at the National Press Club.
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Oh, cool.
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And by the way, we're going to have a live stream. So everyone who's watching, I think we're working on.
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I'm not sure if I can, but I think we're working on maybe Harry or Ryan to be there. You can do some interviews and stuff. We're still working on that. Yeah. May 7th is my daughter's birthday, but I'm pretty sure I'm flying. But we got it in the works. Oh, thank you. Yeah. She's going to be the Big 12, so I'm sure it's going to be a gala event.
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I have four daughters.
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Yeah. So you. Yeah, one time.
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At one time I had four. Four daughters in puberty and a wife in menopause. And people say, no wonder. You want to make contact.
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Take me for the weekend, at least beam me up. Yeah, please. No, you know, because I. When we. When you hear this information, when you talk about it and there isn't somebody screaming, it's a lie or it's. Or whatever, and you just talk about the facts because it's. You're just giving information and it makes more sense than these mad. I mean, it's almost insulting now. There's not even an effort. It's just. Nope. And he's crazy. Or you're racist or you're. You know, they'll just throw something at you to just. And meanwhile, there's. And one of the things that makes me laugh is when. And one of the arguments I heard for the reason why we can't acknowledge what is right in front of us is because it will send the world into chaos because of the religious implications. And I always have a quick pushback. I said I think it's arrogant to think two things can be the same. They can have the same God we do. He made things in his image all over this entire universe. It's embarrassing to think that we're the only one. But here's the thing. We could. And it could be the same thing, the same genetic makeup on every. I know the math numbers don't support. But I'm just saying there could be. Let's say there's 12. He made 12 Earths all over this universe. Right. But the clock is something. We invented one of those universes, one of those universe, one of those galaxies. That planet could be 1 billion years older than us. That civilization, same, same genetic makeup, primate, whatever. But they had a billion years to evolve. So the version of them now or the technology that them have to come here, it would be. I think it is just asinine to not be like looking at that. Like we are getting a gift and we need to share in this and, and it is still a gift. The problem is, is that we got people who have long term money, greed. I mean how much is enough control? I think the biggest thing is power. I think is you lose control. Because if, if you're not a mogul anymore, you're not an oil mogul. If you're not, you know, because you don't need it. Because a guy can literally put his little donut inside his house and have everything he needs. There's a but at the cost of I guess how many lives are too many before the Amer Somebody says enough with Elisa has the ability, at least it has the ability to say enough and actually make a movement behind when is it going to be? Senators and House members are coming forward. It's like, hey, there are.
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B
Well, there are some now and I have to say say Secretary Rubio was really drilling down on this. As co chair of Senate Intelligence we provide a lot of information to senior folks. We have, you know, people in the House who are drilling down on this now some of them have been. You mentioned this religious part. And people are free to believe anything they want.
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A
Yeah, America, you should be.
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B
The moon is made out of Swiss cheese.
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A
Sure.
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B
I mean I believe in God, I believe in a higher power. I believe in all that and I'm convinced of it. But one of the dangers, I think the most dangerous and irresponsible thing I've seen in 35 years happened last Friday when the Vice president said that these were demons. That is absolutely.
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A
That was poor choice of words at the very least.
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B
No, no, it's a. No, it's not more than a poor choice of words. There is a huge infrastructure in the COVID government that. That wants to position it that way. So we move towards a holy war. I mean, basically we're going to go back to the seventh century and it's very dangerous. And let me explain why it is happening. Let's take my. This silly little thing, right?
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A
Yep.
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B
This Thomas Jefferson's house down the road here. If we were to go back to 1776 and show Thomas Jefferson that that would be sorcery, witchcraft and demonic. If you fly in a plane over a medieval village, it would be supernatural. If you were to go back to the 1860s during the Civil War and show someone a hologram, a laser, or almost anything we have, that would be supernatural. So what he said was, because these objects defy the laws of nature, which they don't, but they are therefore supernatural a priori, by definition, they're demonic. Now, that has been a narrative out of the CIA psychological Warfare division by people and a lot of people in the UFO subculture that have been pushing that for decades, all the way back to the 70s and 80s. And so the vice president heard some of that. And because he's a religious man, which is fine. And what I want to say is that when I was at the Vatican with Monsignor Balducci, who was Pope John Paul senior theologian, and he was himself, believe it or not, a demonologist, he was a demon expert at the Vatican, and I was at his apartments overlooking St. Peter's and this conversation came up then. This would have been in 97, something like that. And he said. He laughed out loud. He said, look, neither angels nor demons need flying saucers. And the other thing he said, which I thought was very funny because I said, you know, everyone's trying to portray them as evil aliens and they're, you know, hostile. He says, he said, lower than humanity there cannot exist in the universe. I mean, look at what we're doing to this planet and to each other and wars and atomic weapons and all that. So, you know, it was interesting. This is a senior theologian who had studied this issue because there's a vision at the Vatican that deals with this, and he immediately dismissed out of hand. But this is also. Tucker Carlson is saying that these are not ET but they're demons and they're working with the devil and Satan. So this is how you go back to the AYATOLLAH mindset that we're trying to fight in Iran. I mean, it's American version of Ayatollah. I hate to be blunt about it.
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No, you're right. You're right, people, because religion is such a personal thing, it's so easy to try to turn. And then you can use it as your advantage to spread hysteria on something you don't understand or something you might think you can make it profitable because you have to listen to me because I'm the leading expert. And how to stop something that no one has seen. You know, the, the demon stuff. And here's the other part. Disingenuous. And it's, and it's, people really should see. I mean, but, but do you know
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B
why else they're saying that Tyrus is that if, if, if it, if people begin to think, oh, well, it's not real, but it's supernatural, it takes out the whole discussion we've had for the past 45 minutes. Yes, that this is a big science and technology story. This is how the world and humanity goes forward for thousands of years with abundance and peace and a golden age. But that steps on the toes of these big oligarch money people who have control. It's a convenient narrative for people who want to relegate this and defame it into superstition and nonsense. And I was so disappointed to hear the Vice president, now he did say in his defense, since he got into office, he's been wanting to get read in on this, but he hasn't had time. So I'm going to offer right here to do that for him and I have people close to the administration so that he avoids those sort of unforced errors.
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A
Right? Yeah. Because again, whenever you're in a position of leadership, everything you says matters. And what might be in jest or a joke or whatever, or just lightheartedness when it comes to the fact that people are missing over this and lives have been lost. It's not necessarily what I would consider a joking matter.
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B
And it's a big science and technology story that would fulfill a lot of the United States government's aspirations for energy security, independence, etc, extricating ourselves out of the Middle East. I mean, when people say our vital national security interests in the Middle East. Let me translate. O I L Oil. What else is over there? Right. But I think that we have to look at this in a larger way globally, is that we don't want to pivot this towards a religious holy war. Right. Or to move it over into sort of a Mythology, a false mythology. But we also have to be careful that when you say that it's extraterrestrial. Most people think the aliens that invade and abduct and do things, they jump
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A
out your chest and.
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B
Yeah, yeah, that's also been a psyop, you know. You know, it's interesting, you know, did you see that Matt Gates the other day was talking about he had met with a military officer where there had been, we had been using captured alien DNA with humans to hybridize and create weird creatures. And people, it's like Frankenstein. And people think that's science fiction. I knew about that in the 90s. So when you look at a lot of these abductions that have happened, there'll be a man made like my uncle's company, Northrop Grumman or Lockheed anti gravity thing. It looks like a UFO with these weird creatures on them. And it's called Stagecraft. Some are robotic and some are biological. And I've been read into this program and so the gullible public will report it as the aliens abducted so and so. Which is the easy conclusion to jump to because it looks like it wax like a duck. Looks like a duck. It's a duck. But no, you have to start thinking how the deceptive operations in these covert programs work. And every, you know what the big mistake everyone makes, they greatly underestimate how much technology we have. Over 80 years of study in this.
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A
Right, yeah. Because we only see, we think the technology line is what we have in our pockets.
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B
Right. But even people know about UFOs. I haven't begun to unpack what my nearly a thousand whistleblowers who, some of them scientists who've worked on this know about. And so it's an enormous, it's multiple layers of the stinking onion. But you know, those technologies that could be used for energy or medical healing, they can be turned into these sort of deceptive operations. And this is where you know, there was a four star admiral, a commander in chief, Atlantic Command. Sync Atlantic Command. Admiral Harry Train back in the 80s who had a red alert from a UFO that came in out of Newfoundland. And he went to full code red, code zebra it's called, in that command center. And I'd been in there. That's where World War III would be fought with our nuclear submarines all over the world. And. And he thought it was a Soviet incursion. And he picked up the red and it turned out it wasn't. And he scrambled jets and fired at this thing, not knowing what it was because it entered right off the coast of the United States. And we have whistleblowers who were there when it happened that I have met with. And because that general, that admiral, had never been read in on the subject, he could have put us in World War Three. So even from a traditional operational security for the United States military, this needs to be disclosed properly. But also a full disclosure that yes, some of them are extraterrestrial, but there's a huge number of them that are our covert programs that are being run illegally and those programs are not being deconflicted with traditional military operating areas. Right, moas. So this is a huge, huge security risk that no one is talking about in national security and military circles that I've been bringing up for a long time to people in Washington. But you know, they go, oh, well, you know, they get busy with the next, you know, Medicare law or something. But you know, it's a really big issue now. I know that in the Pentagon, some of the folks I've met with realize how bad it is. I mean, the fear is palpable. Like when I was briefing the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, another admiral, he, he was very afraid because he discovered this was true. And I had given him a document from Nellis Air Force Base that listed the project code names and, and numbers of operations dealing with UFOs out there. And he ended up finding an office that had this information and he was threatened personally and he was threatened with being demoted and put into retirement and losing his rank in retirement. And this was J2. This is the head of intelligence Joint Staff that briefs the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And I spent about three hours in his office was astronaut Edgar Mitchell and back in 97, and the fear was palpable. And he subsequently backed out and wouldn't touch it. And he told me though, he says, what I have learned, and this is quoting from Admiral Wilson, he said, the best thing I know about is the B2 stealth bomber and I have learned and had it confirmed that there is a covert group being run illegally that have these UFO objects that are man made that can literally do circles around my B2 Stealth. He said, what am I going to do? I said, well, you cannot let that stay. He says, well, who else have you briefed? I said, well, the Secretary of Defense, the CIA director. He says, well, what are they doing about it? He said, they're afraid to do anything about it. This is why I left my medical career when I realized nobody wanted to fix this problem. And then the general who was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, General Hughes, you know, he said to me the first 10 minutes, he said, we don't know why you haven't killed yourself yet. I was so taken aback. I said, what do you mean? He says, my father, who had been in national security in the 60s, knew about something related to this and no one would do anything about it. So he took his service revolver and put it in his mouth and blew his head off. And this is the first 10 minutes sitting in the conference room.
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A
That's a nice icebreaker.
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B
That was an. I said, well, I have a different view.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I have work to do.
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B
That kind of rocked me back, man. I'm going, well, that's really kind of
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A
a weird start off self defeating prophecy, to say the least.
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B
I said, no, no, I'm not going there. Don't worry. If something happens to me, it's something else.
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A
It wasn't me, it wouldn't me.
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B
But he said, literally his father was so upset. And I said, well, I understand that frustration, but you know, I also understand the power of people who want to keep something like this secret, who are ruthless, you know, I mean, they did kill Jack Kennedy and Robert Kennedy over this. There's no question about it.
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A
Wow.
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B
And also Marilyn Monroe. Have you seen my Marilyn Monroe document? CIA?
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A
No, not yet. We're actually.
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B
I'm going to get that too.
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A
Yeah, that would be great. I would actually be interested to read that. That would be very cool.
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B
That as a wire transcript of the CIA. She was threatening to hold a press conference to tell the world when Jack Kennedy told her about all this.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
And it was dated the day before they found her dead. And I used to know Burl Ives, the actor, singer, you know, the big guy, Snowy, the snow guy. He said, we absolutely know she was murdered. We never knew why. And I pulled this document out. It's a top secret document, but because it was a criminal action, I can disclose it. Right, right. And he said, oh my God, that's what happened to Maryland. I said, yes, it's what happened to Maryland and it will happen subsequently a year later to Jack Kennedy.
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A
All these, I guess when you're, when you're the fight for the greater good, we always think about, you know, civil rights movements and things like that. But right when you're fighting for something like this to where let's. If everything is, is on the up and up, and they were just being honest that this would literally change the lives of every human being on this planet. But at the same time it would level the playing field. And that's really the issue. It's not about whether they're there or not. It's like how can the, the establishment continue to use their things to maintain control and power? And basically it's that same thing that we're, we're basically constituents and, and everyday civilians. We do not have the ability to handle these type of things. And, and the people in, in charge are the ones who have to be our gatekeepers.
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B
And it's always. It's very patronizing.
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A
Yeah, it is, it's laughable because they're, they're not even clever about it anymore
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B
and they know the damage. This is why people are on the run.
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A
Yes.
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B
See, there are a lot of people who know this is all going to come out. My big concern, what keeps me up at night now is that it comes out the way the Vice president spoke of it.
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A
Right.
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B
Or it comes out in we're being invaded by aliens and now go to World War 3 in space. I mean that would be the end of our civilization if it goes that way. And I'll be honest with you, Tyrus, there's only one way this can come out correctly and that is factually, scientifically, truthfully, but also hopefully. But if we pivot towards this false alien threat narrative which clearly doesn't exist, or, or that it's something from some other dimension of demons and goblins and go to some superstitious Dark ages holy war. This is a catastrophic disclosure, not good disclosure. And I warned about that in a paper I wrote in 1999 called When Disclosure Serves the Secret Deep State Government. And that is, I'm afraid, where we may be heading if we're not careful. So it's cautionary tale. I know this is all going to come out. What is keeping me awake at night is that it could come out catastrophically.
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A
So it comes out where it's already been pushed to be an angle to where it's a religious thing which then would fall into what's currently going on right now. Religion's a hot topic in this country. You know, we have the, the issues with Muslims and Christians and Catholics and Jews. So it's a, it's a lot of things going on and it just all of a sudden you tie it into. Well, the big bad boys are actually demons, you know, so then, and then everybody will. Is it a. You know, and it just muddies the water and we end up missing out on what could be a life changing, beautiful experience where a. Another body mint of being is willing to share information and exchange ideas. Maybe trade, culture, etc, cures, who knows? And all that's going to get caught up because we're too busy trying to say, hey, they're demons, they're evil. You can only, only we can deal with them. Only we can negotiate with them. And anyone else who gets involved will find themselves lost or they'll suicide themselves. So we can maintain control and.
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B
But you know, 20 some years ago, the Vatican said officially that the extraterrestrial life out there are children of God, like we are. Even if they look different. But so what? They look different.
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A
Yeah, we all look different. I look different.
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B
Look, we have some humans that are three feet tall, some that are seven. Yeah.
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A
I work with one gut felt.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, and I'm, you know, we're definitely opposite sides of the food chain. I walk outside, I don't worry about a bird or prey snatching me up. He has to worry about those things. You know, it's. And it's fine. It's fine. You know, it is what it is. But I. And we laugh and we joke, but this was. Like I said, I appreciate you so much for coming on. The event is May 8th. We definitely will have Ryan or any combination of the two. Do like. And we're going to do some interviews and stuff with your permission. Just get more eyes on it and, and please give me that. And my people will get the. The Monroe thing, which is ironic because my wife gets compared to her a lot. So. Be kind of interesting to read. To read that if that's. That's crazy. But it makes sense. It does make sense. They were the. When you. More and more the background. I just feel like shooting a guy for talking to a Russian hooker just doesn't seem. The punishment doesn't really fit the crime. You know, I'm saying like, that was. That's what that was. The assassination was over really. Or was it Hoffa because of the mob or what? So there was all these things. But the truth is something that we need to get back. Need to make sexy again. And here's the thing I feel perfectly confident in saying not just American people, but I think people. We can take good news, we can take bad news. What we can't take is bullshit. Don't piss down our back and tell us it's rain like it just stop. And this thing, it takes a lot of courage to do what you do. And I appreciate you coming on and talking about this stuff. It's not easy. There's people's lives and every time you do this, you put yourself in Jeopardy. And I just want to say thank you for that because it's not. You have a family, you know, and you're not, you're not looking. You're not looking to disappear. You're just. You're just a doctor trying to do the right thing.
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B
Yeah. My daughters wish I was still just rattling around in a trauma.
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A
Yeah. I mean I'm not, I'm not your daughter, but I'm the same thing. Like, hey, I think it's great what you're doing. But. And that always what impresses me is people that take on causes that don't need it. You have you. What I'm saying you don't need it. Like, it's not like you need it for financial gain. You're losing money doing this. Opposed to being a learned doctor at a private practice somewhere. And at this point in your career, you know, you would be in your office, you just kind of walk in and be like, yeah, I have to do this. Give them. And continue to live a very light, a bountiful and, and, and positive lifestyle. So for that, thank you. And again, name an event one more time.
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B
It's the 25th anniversary of the National Press Club disclosure event. And it's going to be another event where we have top secret whistleblowers there revealing some really important information. It will. It's on the 8th of May from 3 until 4:30 in the afternoon.
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A
We will have a rep from, from Planet Tyrus. I'm pretty sure it's going to be Harry Potter and you liked Harry, so he'll be on his. He'll be on his best behavior and anything happens, let me know.
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B
That's okay.
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A
If he goes missing, if he goes missing, it'll be because of me.
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B
No later we can go out and be bad boys and party. I love having fun.
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A
All right, well, I appreciate you. And again, right after we. After this thing, let's see if we can get you back on and make sure everybody's okay because I look forward to. And I want to. I would like to have a whole podcast where we talk about the JFK thing. I think that would be awesome and see if I can get you. Tie you down for that one because I think that would be a very interesting conversation.
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B
Yeah. Those files have not been released, I assure you.
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A
So. Yeah, yeah, that. Let's, let's get him on. I'll keep stealing you, everyone. I'm not afraid. So that's actually Brett Bear. Wherever you're at, never afraid.
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B
There you go. Exactly.
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A
Well, I appreciate you, Doc. I'M going to get ready for gut feel, but thank you and be safe and keep doing good work, okay?
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B
Thank you so much.
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A
Yes, sir.