Alex Clark: "Never been harder to be openly Christian & openly conservative"

Summary

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Pod Force One - Episode Summary

Guest: Alex Klopp, host of Culture Apothecary
Host: Lydia Moynihan (filling in for Miranda Devine)
Date: July 29, 2026
Episode Theme:
Examining the rising challenges of being openly Christian and conservative in America, the power struggle in cultural politics, the impact of assassination culture, the role of women in conservatism, and building health-based political coalitions like MAHA (Make America Healthy Again).

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Main Theme & Purpose

Alex Klopp joins Pod Force One to discuss why she believes it’s never been harder to be openly Christian and conservative in the United States. The episode dives into “assassination culture,” the health and wellness movement’s political relevance, the battle against corporate food and pharma giants, and the unique strategies needed to reach—and win—female voters. The conversation also touches on motherhood, family formation, the role and legacy of Charlie Kirk, and current and coming policy battles within the conservative movement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Assassination Culture & Threats Against Conservatives

• Assassination Culture: Alex Klopp claims conservatives, particularly public figures, are facing increasing threats and violence, attributing this to a more aggressive left-wing climate.

  • Quote: "I think one of the biggest cultural battlegrounds right now that conservatives are up against is an assassination culture. I don't know that in history it's ever been harder to be openly conservative and openly Christian in the United States of America." — Alex Klopp [00:00, 04:36]

• Personal Threats: Discusses escalation of personal threats she and others (notably after Charlie Kirk’s murder) have faced:

  • "I could not tell you, since Charlie was killed, the amount of death threats I've received... It's 24/7 security everywhere we go." — Alex Klopp [03:04]
  • Notes some threats even come from within the right, e.g., Candace Owens fans.

2. Health, Food, and Pharma Politics

• Corruption in Health Sectors: Asserts that Americans’ health is compromised by powerful “big food and big pharma.”
  • Quote: "Who's really operating behind the scenes or pulling the strings in America? It's big food and big pharma." — Alex Klopp [00:00, 18:58]
• Mission: Klopp’s professional pivot toward health and wellness stems from belief that the country can’t function if everyone is too sick to participate or even vote.
• Health as a Nonpartisan Issue: Health, toxin-free living, and wellness resonate across party lines, especially with women.
  • "These topics are really evergreen... Everybody is sick. And, and as Americans, we don't even know that we are because this is our normal." — Alex Klopp [09:58]

3. Reaching and Winning Female Voters

• Culture Over Politics: Female voters are often won through cultural—not directly political—arguments and platforms.
  • "I think reaching women with issues that are not political is actually the key for any political party to really capture women." — Alex Klopp [06:07]
• Health and Family Issues as Political Leverage: MAHA (Make America Healthy Again) is identified as a key to midterm and general election success among women.
• Relatability & Authentic Voice: Klopp’s “cute-servative” approach and pop-culture angle have built trust with non-conservative and centrist women.

4. Policy Successes and Challenges (MAHA Movement)

• Success: Revamping Dietary Guidelines

  • Noted as a historic win impacting schools, medicine, and military readiness.
  • "Revamping the dietary guidelines...is a historic, positive, unbelievable health initiative and improvement that will reverberate throughout American generations." — Alex Klopp [13:34]

• Failures: Pesticides & Glyphosate Policy

  • Heavy criticism for the administration’s coziness with chemical companies like Bayer and insufficient action on glyphosate.
  • "You cannot wash or rinse [glyphosate] off...It is drifting with wind into your yard...So what a parent feels...is utter fear and frustration." — Alex Klopp [14:51]

• Future Issues: Chemicals in Clothing

  • Klopp predicts rising activism on toxins in clothing, microplastics, and lack of transparency in fabric labeling.
  • "2027...is going to be the year of chemicals in our clothing." — Alex Klopp [20:48]

5. Corporate Capture & Regulatory Issues

• American Weakness vs. Europe: Americans receive lower food safety standards compared to Europe due to “corporate capture,” where regulatory bodies are swayed by industry.

  • “When people talk about, like, do we have a shadow government...it's big food and big pharma, and we have just let that go unchecked.” — Alex Klopp [18:58]

• Media Influence by Big Pharma: Argues for banning pharma ads on television, noting that ad dollars sway news coverage (e.g., “brought to you by Pfizer”).

  • "When you see a pharmaceutical advertisement on tv, it's not actually because they want you ... it's to buy off the media companies and kind of control what these news agencies are able to report on." — Alex Klopp [20:48]

6. Motherhood, Marriage, & Family Formation

• Cultural Shifts: Increasing positive messages about motherhood in pop culture, and Gen Z’s more pragmatic attitude about work/family balance.

  • "I think Gen Z is waking up to the fact that it's okay to have a family earlier and that there's different seasons for different priorities in your life." — Alex Klopp [25:55]

• Trad Life vs. Career Ambitions: Discussion of the book "Yesteryear" and critiques of both extremes. Klopp attributes true fulfillment to faith.

  • "There isn't a recipe for total complete success and happiness without Christ." — Alex Klopp [28:04]

• Affordability Argument: Argues that raising children is more attainable than often portrayed, noting commodification of motherhood and unnecessary expenses.

  • "I think that women have been commodified. We are a product. And when it comes to motherhood, we are told that we also must have so many certain products in order to be a good mother." — Alex Klopp [30:06]

• Policy Wishes for Families:

  • Praises Trump Accounts and child tax credits, but especially calls for longer paid maternity leave (citing Turning Point USA’s six-month policy as a model).
  • "Women at Turning Point USA get six months paid maternity leave. That is basically unheard of in America." — Alex Klopp [34:02]

7. The Legacy of Charlie Kirk & Turning Point USA

• Impact of Leadership Loss: Klopp describes the emotional impact of Kirk’s murder, but sees renewed commitment and record youth engagement at Turning Point events as his legacy.

  • "I've never experienced a group of kids that were more on fire for Turning Point USA and saving this country and conservatism in general than I did when I spoke in that room." — Alex Klopp [37:57]

• Dealing with Conspiracy Theories: The recent evidence and trial against Charlie Kirk’s murderer counter “intricate” conspiracy theories.

  • "There were a lot of people that were caught up in the conspiracy theory stuff. Then they watched the hearing, they saw the evidence, and they were like, OK, genuinely, there is no arguing against this." — Alex Klopp [39:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On The Modern Challenge:
  "I don't know that in history, it's ever been harder to be openly conservative and openly Christian in the United States of America." — Alex Klopp [04:36]

• On Political Violence:
  "We're not resorting to killing people that we disagree with." — Alex Klopp [01:42]

• On Health as Freedom:
  "There's freedom in having your health. And that should be a conservative talking point." — Alex Klopp [09:58]

• On Corporate Capture:
  "Who's really operating behind the scenes... It's big food and big pharma, and we have just let that go unchecked." — Alex Klopp [18:58]

• On Motherhood:
  "There isn't a recipe for total complete success and happiness without Christ." — Alex Klopp [28:04]

• On Products and Parenthood:
  "I think that women have been commodified... we are told...we also must have so many certain products in order to be a good mother." — Alex Klopp [30:06]

• On Company Policy Impact:
  "Women at Turning Point USA get six months paid maternity leave. That is basically unheard of in America." — Alex Klopp [34:02]

• On Charlie Kirk’s Legacy:
  "We felt renewed and refreshed to keep fighting. It's hard... but the reality is, is that we've never had... more young people at our Women's Summit this year and then at America Fest than we ever have.” — Alex Klopp [37:57]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00: Introduction to “assassination culture”
• 03:04: Klopp discusses personal threats post-Charlie Kirk’s murder
• 06:07: Strategies for reaching women and culture’s influence over politics
• 09:58: Health and wellness show strategy; pervasive American sickness
• 13:34: MAHA’s policy wins and setbacks (dietary guidelines, glyphosate)
• 18:58: U.S. vs. Europe: Corporate capture, regulatory failure
• 20:48: Pharma influence on media; clean clothing movement prediction
• 25:07: Changing cultural messages on motherhood, family, and Gen Z
• 30:06: Affordability and misconceptions about the cost of children
• 34:02: Paid maternity leave, family policy ideals
• 36:13: Charlie Kirk legacy, emotion, and renewed purpose at Turning Point
• 39:56: Conspiracy theories about Kirk’s murder addressed

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Conclusion

The conversation with Alex Klopp provides a window into the mindset and priorities of the young conservative movement, particularly as it seeks to empower women, reclaim health issues from partisanship, and weather growing polarization and threats. Faith, anti-corporate advocacy, and practical family policy are recurring themes, while the impact and memory of Charlie Kirk continue to shape Turning Point USA’s path forward.

Transcript

[Alex Klopp]

I think one of the biggest cultural battlegrounds right now that conservatives are up against is an assassination culture. I don't know that in history it's ever been harder to be openly conservative and openly Christian in the United States of America. Who's really operating behind the scenes or pulling the strings in America? It's big food and big pharma.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Welcome to Pod Force One. I am Lydia Moynihan filling in for Miranda Devine. Today we are joined by Culture Apothecary host Alex Klopp. She has been a key voice reaching conservative young women, discussing issues like pop culture, and more recently has been involved in building the Maha coalition. Thank you so much for joining us. You are one of the most prominent young female voices at Turning Point. What do you see as the biggest or one of the biggest cultural battlegrounds for conservatives right now?

[Alex Klopp]

Well, I mean, obviously I have strong opinions about health in our food. I think we don't really have a country if we're all too sick or dead to participate or even, even vote. So that's kind of the mission that I've taken on. Obviously. I think education, there's, there's a huge issue there. It's like, you know, there's obviously something going on when you've got, the more college educated you are, the more likely you are to become like a staunch Marxist. I'd say there's something going on there. So, you know, that's always, and that's always been a core mission of Turning Point. So I don't know that that's necessarily different or new. I think, I think one of the biggest cultural battlegrounds right now that conservatives are up against is an assassination culture. Right? They, they, they've murdered Charlie Kirk. And I say they as in the left. The left murdered Charlie Kirk and the left is trying to kill all the rest of us. And when you look at data and polling with different voters, it is registered leftist Democrats that are saying it's okay to use violence against somebody who has an opinion that you disagree with. It's not Republicans who are saying rhet rhetoric like that or believing rhetoric or ideologies like that. That is exclusively a left wing thinking talking point. And they're getting more and more brazen. They tried to assassinate the president three times and they, you know, have assassinated the, the healthcare CEO. And by the way, I'm the first person. I mean, I talk on my show ad nauseam about how corrupt health insurance is. I don't even think people should use traditional health insurance. I think they should use health share Crowd health sharing type of services. I think that that's better for a myriad of reasons. So I am the first to talk about corruption in that, and I understand that. But we're not resorting to killing people that we disagree with. So I would say that's. That's a massive thing. And right before Charlie was killed, this was the number one thing that Charlie was really challenging the Trump admin on to get to the bottom of is this rise in assassination culture and left wing.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah. Have you faced threats of violence or death threats?

[Alex Klopp]

I have. And, you know, I think before Charlie died, maybe I'd had maybe two. And I could not tell you since Charlie was killed, the amount of death threats I've received. And what's even crazier is a few of those have definitely been from the left, but a lot of them have been from Candace Owens fans. So those are the people who are sending that stuff. So, you know, it's just been really crazy. You know, Erica has had a massive influx of threats. We had. We had. Some guy in Texas got arrested for wanting to try to bomb our women's event this summer. It's. It's 247 security everywhere we go. You know, I'm going on college campuses and talking about health and wellness. I've never had to have armed security with me. I'm. I'm not really, really that big of a threat to the left, just based on my type of Turning Point tours. But now I have to have armed security everywhere I go. You know, I was asked, do you want to start wearing a bulletproof vest? I'm talking about eating real food. Do I need to wear a bulletproof vest? Would I like to start doing that? You know, this is stuff five years ago, seven years ago, when I first got hired, I. This, this would have been, like, inconsistent.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Right, right. I mean, my God, you think talking about something that everyone should get behind and that's. I mean, so alarming.

[Alex Klopp]

That's really nonpartisan. Yeah.

[Lydia Moynihan]

That's so alarming, too, to think that in the wake of Charlie's death, it's only amped up.

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah, it's a really scary time. I don't know that in history, it's ever been harder to be openly conservative and openly Christian in the United States of America. And I know the left will have a problem with me saying that. And they'll say that, how could she. It's so hard to be a black woman or what? No, I'm saying try to be a. Even. Just a conservative. Doesn't even matter what Color, you are conservative. Walking around in a MAGA hat, you have such a massive target on you and it's very scary.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah, I mean, it's just astonishing. Out of college and you're starting a media business and it just doesn't even cross your mind that a few years down the road you're, you're gonna be facing this kind of violence. I do wanna touch a little bit though, on. You were really early to identify the sort of female audience. You, I think, referred to yourself as a cute servative. And you began by talking about a lot of more pop culture issues just from a conservative perspective. As you said, you're not ramming politics down people's throat. And it's interesting because I feel like pollsters, they talk a lot about women as a sort of like mystical group, like, oh, like why are women turning left? What do you think is the reason for women turning left? And how important do you think reaching women about issues that aren't political is to winning them over?

[Alex Klopp]

I think reaching women with issues that are not political is actually the key for any political party to really capture women. And I saw this with the health and wellness movement, the health freedom movement. I saw the tides turning, which is why I thought it was extremely important to rebrand my show. Plus it had to do with my own journey of really becoming passionate, changing my own life, my own diet. And I wanted everybody to know what I was learning. And so I think historically the way to reach women has always been through culture and the left. They just do. They dominate pop culture. So I think that avenue, that avenue really belongs to the left. And what we really have is the opportunity to step in when it comes to parenting and health and food and family. Those are things that I think the conservative movement can really own. And we can reach women through, you know, my show. I have so many women that listen to my show that are center left or completely independent or even some classical liberals that love the show because the topics that I'm talking about are for the most part completely nonpartisan health issues. Once in a while I do throw in something that's, that's, you know, pretty obviously conservative, like a more of a pro life episode or what have you. But you know, those women say, like, I appreciate those episodes because I'm able to, to understand kind of the way that you guys think what you believe. And it's in a really non threatening way because I do enjoy like 98 of the rest of the stuff that you talk about that I'm will to kind of Hear you out on these other things. And that's always been my, like, M.O. when it comes to reaching young women. When I first started at Turning Point usa, it was through pop culture. I was really targeting young college age conservatives during the pandemic, doing like the five top pop culture news stories of the day and then discussing those from a conservative perspective. And my idea was to introduce conservative ideas in a non obvious, non aggressive way and to build rapport with these women, build a friendship with these women so that they are interested in what I have to say and they're not going to completely chew me out because I'm not starting with Marxism is bad. But what I am starting with at that time was, you know, Kylie Jenner embraced blm. Here's what I think about that. And so they were like, oh, well, what does that mean? You know, why would Alex Clark think that that's not great? And so that was kind of my strategy. And then with the health stuff, I just saw it explode on my analytics. Anytime I did a more health focused episode, it was just across the board, the biggest topics that I would cover. And it still is. And the show has grown immensely in the last two years since I've rebranded. It's a top 10 health and wellness show worldwide. And so that goes to show that these topics are really evergreen. You know, obviously everybody eats, everybody's breathing air, everybody's drinking water. And so talking about chemicals in our food and our environment and different, you know, swaps that you can make for your family to be healthier. These, these are things that everybody should know and everybody is interested in. And so, you know, In February of 2024, I told Charlie Kirk and Turning Point General I wanted to start working towards a rebrand for that fall. Had no idea that RFK Jr. Was going to come out and endorse Trump. In August of 2024, we rebranded like two weeks after that. The show exploded. It was the right place at the right time with the right message, with making America healthy again. Everybody. And it's because we've reached a place where we've never been so sick as a country. Everybody is sick. And. And you're like, well, not everybody. I feel fine. That's the thing. You don't.

[Lydia Moynihan]

I was not about to say that.

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah, everybody is sick. And, and as Americans, we don't even know that we are because this is our normal. Like, we constantly feel this way. We're constantly tired, we constantly have brain fog. We don't even know that it isn't normal because it is. So common until you break free out of that matrix and then you realize, oh, wow, it's not normal to constantly get headaches. It's not normal to, you know, constantly have allergies and all these different things. I didn't know that those were signs that I was battling some. Some issues. Right? I didn't know I wasn't supposed to get bloated after every meal. Like, these are things that Americans just think are normal, but they're not. And in a lot of other countries, they would. They would immediately call that out and say, yeah, you're sick. There's something going on here. And Americans want that. There's freedom in having your health. And that should be a. That be a conservative talking point, I think, and a goal to keep. We cannot lose the Maha voters as the GOP if we want to continue to win elections. I think that the midterms are really going to be a huge indicator on. On where we're at with women as a party. I think we won in 2024 because of women when it came to the Maha issues. And midterms is really up in the air because I don't think that we have been perfect on Maha messaging out of the White House. And so it will be very interesting to see. You know, is. Is immigration, is economy. Are those issues big enough for us to win in the midterms or dropping the ball with Maha? Has that hurt us immensely?

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[Lydia Moynihan]

Where do you think we are with Maha? Where do you think you've seen the movement succeed in the last year and a half and where do you think we need a lot more work.

[Alex Klopp]

We have majorly succeeded by revamping the dietary guidelines. That is a historic, positive, unbelievable health health initiative and improvement that will reverberate throughout American generations. It will touch everything from what kids are served in school lunches in our public schools to what pediatricians are recommending, the type of nutrition, you know, education that doctors are getting in medical schools in a few states. I know Texas is now requiring med school students to. To learn nutrition.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Insane that it took this long.

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah, yeah. Which is crazy. A lot of people don't realize that, that your average general practitioner is getting like a day or less of nutrition education in. In med school. That's unbelievable. And then it also affects what our military eats. We do not have a country if we do not have strong and healthy soldiers protecting and defending us. That's one of the biggest issues you've got. We're looking at nearly 70% of military what should be military eligible age. Men in this country are not actually milit military eligible because of chronic disease and obesity. So this should be super secure concerning to everybody. And that is a national security issue.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah.

[Alex Klopp]

So how unhealthy we are really affects and touches everything. So the dietary guidelines being fixed is, is probably the number one biggest thing. And that's what I really hear from my audience that they're excited about. They were excited about all of the food diet changes. And then I would say one of the biggest blunders and catastrophic mistakes mistakes that we have seen this year has been basically every single thing we have done when it comes to Pesticides and glyphosate and how cozied up to bear this current administration is. The MAHA voters are very educated and well versed in bear propaganda glyphosate pesticides. This is a huge concern for them as mothers because unlike choosing what food goes on your kids plate, right, you cannot choose to avoid glyphosate. You cannot wash or rinse it off your vegetables. You cannot avoid it if you want to take your kids outside to play at a park. If you're sending your kids to public school, it's being sprayed on their playgrounds. It's in our air. It's, it's even your neighbor if they're using Roundup, it is drifting with wind into your yard and your kids are absorbing it through the soles of their feet when they play barefoot outside. So what a parent feels when it comes to glyphosate and pesticides in this country is utter fear and frustration that nothing hardcore is being done. Because it isn't something that we can, we can avoid as parents or just Americans in general. We cannot get away from it, we cannot escape it. And so the fact that our government is actively choosing to protect foreign chemical companies over American citizens is reverberating through households all across America, especially the Midwest, where you just saw a historic primary election where Zach Lane was elected to run for a Republican governor in Iowa, which is the biggest glyphosate farm ag state that we have. And so the fact that you have Republicans voting to use him in the primary, this is huge. I mean, you never could have imagined that 10 years ago. So that's how fed up Americans are in the glyphosate issue, which I have been trying to sound the alarms on since exactly a year ago. This time last year in July, I was saying that we were going to come to a boiling point with Republican voters and MAHA voters in general on this issue. And if the Republican Party does not step it up and wake up, that it is going to become, you know, politically abhorrent to support these chemical companies over your constituents. Like we're going to start losing support in a massive way. And we have, and really the test is going to be the midterm. So I'm very anxious to see how that plays out. But we do have, I want to say this, we have some real extraordinary fighters in the Republican movement on this issue. Ken Paxton is one in Texas. He's currently the Attorney General running for Senate. And then you have Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna from Florida are two of our biggest advocates on this issue who are doing an incredible job. And then on the Democrat side, you've got Pingree from. From Maine, or is she Maine? We've got Pingree on the Democrat side. She's. She's been doing some extraordinary things on pesticides as well.

[Lydia Moynihan]

So one of my pet peeves, actually, for a long time was when people said, oh, things are so much better in Europe, because I'm like, no, I love America. We're the best. But when it comes to food and glyphosates in particular, they're light years ahead of us. And even I'm sure you saw there was some headline about when the Norwegian soccer team came, they had to bring some of their own food from home because they didn't trust our food supply. What is this disconnect? Why is it. Because it's so frustrating as an American, because we're the best country, but we can't figure this out. Like, why is it that there's one food sold there and it's a chemicalized food here or for beauty products. Their sunscreen is clean. Ours is full of crazy chemicals. What is that disconnect?

[Alex Klopp]

We've allowed corporate capture of our federal agencies for far too long. And that's, that's the truth. When people talk about, like, do we have a shadow government or, you know, who's really operating behind the scenes or pulling the strings in America, it's big food and big pharma, and we have just let that go completely unchecked. And so what you have are ingredients that are allowed here that are not allowed elsewhere in Europe. Yes, they do use glyphosate. They use it a lot less than we do. They also use different ingredients even in their formulas for things like Roundup. So, for example, Roundup in the United, United States has actually worse ingredients than Roundup in the uk. They, they have different things there. Why don't we get the same thing? You know, we brought this up in front of the Senate in 2024 when we testified. And, and the food babe, Vonnie Hari and Jason Karp of, of formerly Hugh Kitchen, both said, you know, why are kids being served Kellogg's with food dyes in America? But Kellogg's is willing to make the same cereal without these super dangerous food dyes in every other country. Like, why do American families get it worse off than everybody else? We should be the gold standard. And so that's really, you know, in this fight against glyphosate and calling out the Trump admin, who I love dearly on this One issue is, is not asking them to ban glyphosate. We are asking them to give us the same standard as Everybody else.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah, 100%. What other. Are there simpler issues that maybe Republicans could get a win on when it comes to HHS in particular, things that you think can absolutely get achieved in the next two years?

[Alex Klopp]

Let's see. Pharma ads banned off tv. That is huge with voters, especially Maha moms. The reason for that being is because when you see a pharmaceutical advertisement on tv, it's not actually because they want you to go to your doctor and ask to get this drug. It's to buy off the media companies and kind of control what these news agencies are able to report on. This is why every single news report at the during the pandemic would say brought to you by Pfizer. Now, if the majority of your advertising dollars are coming from pharma as a news company where mainstream media news, cable television is really on the decline because everybody is using social media and independent journalists and Twitter, etc, you, you have, you know, it is beneficial to you as a business to kind of say what these companies want you to say and not report on certain things they don't want you to report on. This is why nobody was talking about getting fresh air and sunlight during the pandemic. Actually, they, I think they had banned the hashtag sun or sunlight on Instagram for a little while there. You could not use that hashtag. And this is all from pharma. So I think would give parents a big piece of mind. You know, America and New Zealand are the only countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical advertising on television. Nobody else is doing that. So I think it's time to ask why. And that would be a huge win. I think that would be very easy to achieve. The other thing is, the other thing is that I'm super passionate about. I think that 2026, mark my words, 2026 has really been the year of pesticides. I think 2027, when it comes to Maha voters is going to be the year of, of chemicals in our clothing. I think we are starting to see the very beginning tide changing here on natural fiber and organic cotton clothing and a big, huge war on polyester. Parents are actively trying to avoid polyester. They are not wanting to buy your Lola blankets that are 100% polyester that are shedding microplastics all over your home that your babies and your pets are breathing in. Right. So these types of things parents are becoming more educated on. They are actively trying to avoid those Products. The clothing chemical laws in this country have not been updated since the 1940s. There is a lot of stuff that is allowed on our clothes. And unlike an ingredient label on a food item in America, they don't have to say all of the chemicals that are listed. Right. So when you look at a tag on American clothing, it says the fabric that is used, but it does not say what is been sprayed on that fabric. And with the rise of eczema and insensitivities, these are things we should know and be aware of as consumers. And that's an easy thing that the FDA could say that we are going to start doing in America.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah. It's so surprising to me on that front that there's some smaller brands trying to address that. But why hasn't Lululemon just come out with a line that's completely organic and, like, I don't understand why companies aren't taking advantage of this burgeoning market.

[Alex Klopp]

Well, Ken Paxton, who I mentioned earlier, is a MAHA fighter, is suing Lululemon. So that's something interesting to look into. I'm telling you, we're. We're on the precipice here of a massive movement. The clean clothing movement is really going to take over. I. It's like, besides pesticides, the number one thing that my audience is interested in and constantly asking me questions about.

[Lydia Moynihan]

So I want to make sure we touch on other cultural issues besides health. You've been quite vocal about traditional marriage, and also, you just got engaged, so congratulations on that front. I'm curious, you know, what do you think has shifted culturally in terms of messaging around motherhood and marriage? And do you think women are getting a message from the culture anywhere that marriage and motherhood is something good or something that should be pursued?

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah, I think we're seeing that in a lot of different spaces. I think in pop culture, you're seeing a lot, a lot more celebrities, really just glowing, talking about motherhood and pregnancy and having a family, you know, from Hillary Duff to even. I think Olivia Rodrigo recently was talking about how she, like, can't wait to. To be a mom one day, I believe. Ironic because she's also a staunch supporter of grandparent Planned Parenthood. So I'm not really sure how that works out. But you are. You are starting to see more messaging of, you know, becoming a mother is the best thing that's ever happened to me from influencers as well. I. I think you see a lot of that.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Barbara Palvin.

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Gorgeous. Yeah.

[Alex Klopp]

And so I think that's a super, super big positive. I think you've also, you have Gen Z really watching a lot of millennials were screwed over with this girl boss messaging. And you know, a career is the most important thing that you could do in your life. Put a family on hold. You'll always be able to have a family whenever you want. We have fertility technology now that will make that possible. Of course, that's not necessarily true. While sure that it can be helpful in a lot of cases, it is not a guarantee that through IVF or IUI or surrogacy or anything that you're going to be able to, to have a baby. And so you just, you just never know and it's not a guarantee. And I think, yeah, I think that Gen Z is waking up to the fact that it's okay to have a family earlier and that there's different seasons for different priorities in your life. There, there can absolutely be a season for career being number one. And then you get married and you want to have a family. And then I think that should and be prioritized first.

[Lydia Moynihan]

I'm so curious to ask you about yesteryear because it's this book that's sweeping bookshelves everywhere and it's sort of seen as a critique on the trad wife influencer. And I found it interesting in some ways because it also recognizes that the alternative is kind of grim sometimes, like the corporate ladder that's oftentimes the alternative. I'm curious, have you read yesteryear and. And do you think there are some critiques there that you agree with and what do you think it misses?

[Alex Klopp]

I haven't read it yet. But you're saying that they critique like it can be lonely as a trad wife, but also lonely at the top of the ladder.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah. Essentially this woman wakes up in the 1800s and she has to deal with all the realities of actually baking bread and doing all of these hard things and she's really miserable.

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah, well, I mean, geez, in the 1800s is the time frame it.

[Lydia Moynihan]

So it starts. She's. She's an influencer and then she, she gets transported back in time to the 1800s.

[Alex Klopp]

Okay. And they're making like a Netflix show about this or a movie or something.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah, they're making popular.

[Alex Klopp]

You know, here's the thing. It was amazing when we got modern conveniences like ovens and, and washing machines and, you know, irons and I don't know, all the those different things I think are great. So I don't even think I would Want to live before that time. I think that. But there's a lesson in that, you know, without having read it, is that you will never find complete and total fulfillment and happiness as a woman, no matter what. If you pursue just a strict career path type of mentality or, you know, being a stay at home mom or a trad wife or a bread baker or whatever, you could, you know, sew all your own clothes and, and whatever, you could be like Nora Smith. None of that. There isn't a recipe for total complete success and happiness without credit Christ. So I'm a Christian, so I really believe that that identity and that fulfillment comes from knowing who Jesus Christ is and having a relationship with him. Yeah, there's no recipe for success, you know, poor, rich, trad career woman. It's all, it all amounts to absolutely dust and nothing without Jesus. So that would be my answer for that, that.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Amen. There is sort of an affordability piece when we talk about family issues. And you know, you mentioned some of the young women who are having babies younger. I mean, I'm thinking of like Sophia Grange and Hailey Bieber and all these women. And at least I anecdotally know women who feel like, wow, I wish I could have had that experience. But they feel that affordability is what's holding them back. They don't think that they can afford it. And I know that the argument is, oh well, just, you know, it'll work out. But I also am very sensitive to a lot of people have student debt. Like there's all of these exogenous factors. Do you think affordability is actually playing a role in family formation? Do you think that's a legitimate argument?

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah, I do think it's a legitimate argument. I think that people are misinformed though, about how much money is actually necessary to raise a child. I think that women have been commodified. We are a product. And when it comes to motherhood, we are told that we also must have so many certain products in order to be a good mother. The reality is now I'm not saying that there's no struggles in motherhood or that you don't have to be savvy and smart financially. Of course, this has been going on since the dawn of time. How did anybody, how did anybody have a big family? How did people in the late 1700s have a big family without all of our moder conveniences and all these different things that we have now? It's obviously very possible. You do have to be smart. You do need to have a budget. You cannot be door dashing every single meal and spending an exorbitant amount on those things. You need to learn to know how to cook. You don't even have to buy diapers. You don't even have to spend money on diapers if you want. People used to cloth diaper. I was cloth diapered as a baby. Tons of maha moms are cloth diapering because of the chemicals that your kids are exposed to with regular diapers. Now what do all of these things require? They require planning and a little bit of strategy and some time. Absolutely. There's convenience in having diapers that you buy at the store. There's convenience in having stuff doordash to you. But a lot of these things, having this Bluetooth monitor that your baby wears on its foot while they're sleeping, they don't need that. We didn't even have baby monitors in general for decades and decades and decades. And parents did just fine getting up and checking on their baby in the middle of the night or whatever. Or having your baby sleep next to you in the bassinet so they're right there to check on or co sleeping. Like these are things like, I think that that business, a lot of businesses are trying to tell young people, you cannot afford a family. Keep buying our stuff. Buy the newest, you know, iPhone, get this new car, go to college, get into crazy amount of student loan debt even though you're probably not even going to be able to ever pay that back with the type of degree that you're getting, you know, but you have to have college to succeed. It's like all of these things we are told are necessary and I really don't think they are. I did not graduate from college. Charlie Kirk didn't graduate from college. And I mean, to be quite honest with you, I've always made more than basically any of my peers and I've done just fine. But even my best friends who are stay at home moms, they're a one income household with five plus kids each and a lot of them are making under six figures, their husbands are making under six figures a year here they are absolutely thriving. They are the happiest people that I know and they are, they are smart and, and sometimes they are cloth diapering or they are going to Aldi for their organic food instead of Whole Foods or they're, they're making their, their birthday cakes at home instead of going to a bakery to buy a fancy birthday cake. They're not having these crazy Instagram birthday parties with a event planner. You Know, they're doing normal birthday parties with friends and family, which is all a kid really needs or wants, to be honest with you, hand me down clothes, whatever. It's like parents have done. People have done this for literally centuries. And we're acting like all of a sudden, you know, the wheel has to be reinvented, and I really don't think it does.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah. Just practically speaking, are there any policies that you would like to see that you think could support family formation? I've spoken with a lot of women who feel that the ability to work at home, that's not a public policy issue, but they feel like that has allowed them to afford children and keep working. Obviously, Vance has really pushed the child tax credit. Are there other things that you think the government could do to incentivize that family formation?

[Alex Klopp]

Well, the government, I mean, coming up with, what the heck is it called? Trump Bucks.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yes, Trump accounts.

[Alex Klopp]

Trump accounts. You know, the Trump account creation is completely genius that this administration just came out with. I have told everybody I know that has had a child in the last few years that they've got to sign up for that. I mean, you are a. If you do not sign your child up for that right now. So that is incredible. I don't even know that anything could really top it. The only thing that I can think of. Child tax credit. Great. Is we need longer maternity leave in this country. And I am so proud of Turning Point usa. You know, right before Charlie died, a couple months before Charlie was murdered, it was very important to him. He was working on changing the maternity leave policy for Turning Point usa. Women at Turning Point USA say, get six months paid maternity leave. That is basically unheard of in America. Almost nobody is doing maternity leave paid for that long. Even leftist organizations. Right. That talk all about this, don't do anything like that. And so, you know, Charlie was very big on that. Like, you know, if we are incentivizing people and trying to talk to people about the importance of having families, I want to make it as easy as possible for women who want to work at Turning Point USA to do that. And I. I just loved that. And I was. That was one of the coolest things. I'm so glad that that happened and got through before he was killed because that has really changed the culture here at Turning Point. And I think a lot of other companies should follow suit. But, yeah, that's a huge thing. I do not agree or think that, you know, government run child care, whatever is a good idea.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Proposing New York to have daycare.

[Alex Klopp]

Absolutely I can't imagine anything worse. I can't imagine anything worse. But, yes, we should be making, you know, we should be thinking of ways from an economic standpoint on how to make buying a home more affordable. Affordable so that it is easier for one parent to stay home if they choose.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah. Yeah. You've touched a little bit on Turning Point, and I would love to hear how everything is going there, how you continue to think about Charlie's legacy and you've been such an important voice and continue to be at tpusa.

[Alex Klopp]

Yeah. You know, some days it just hits me like a semi truck of missing him and his leadership and just the way he would think about things, his ideas, strategies for just the political landscape in general. There are days that are harder than others for everybody here. It. The.

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[Alex Klopp]

The most emotional I have felt since his death initially was during this evidence hearing that we just had a few weeks ago. I think everybody was extremely emotional. That just brought back so many feelings. I know we're going to go through that again in September when it's the one year Ann anniversary of his death. And, man, Erica's doing an incredible job, you know, to the best of her ability, in the midst of grief, in the midst of going and sitting in that courtroom and being in the same room as, you know, Tyler Robinson. She's then able to fly right after that and go to Washington, D.C. to speak to our students. And, you know, I got to be there, too, at our chapter leadership summit that we hosted in D.C. with all, not even all, but many of our student chapter leaders across the country. And I had told a executive at Turning Point. After that, I said, you know, I've worked here for seven years and I've done this event every year. I've never experienced a group of kids that were more on fire for Turning Point USA and saving this country and conservatism in general than I did when I spoke in that room, room.

[Mike Baker]

The.

[Alex Klopp]

I mean, just the kids coming up to me and how excited they are to be a part of Turning Point USA and carry on Charlie's legacy. It was so encouraging and emotional for me as a, you know, one of the original Turning Point employees, but also just gave so much of us hope. And just this renewed, just. We felt renewed and refreshed to keep fighting and keep doing, doing this work. It's hard. There's, you know, a lot of noise on Twitter. But the reality is, is that we've never had, you know, whether that's through donations or through chapters that are springing up that Are, you know, turning point chapters across high schools and colleges around America. The amount of kids under 30 attending our events, under 25 attending our events, even. We had more young people at our Women's Summit this year and then at America Fest this previous year than we ever have. So, yeah, know, people talk a lot of smack on. On X, but that is a very small bubble, sample size of America compared to the rest of everybody who's not on X. And we couldn't be happier despite the heartbroken, heartbreaking circumstances that we're in. And it's a weird. It's a weird, bittersweet thing to try to wrap our heads around. We know Charlie would be so ecstatic about the growth and the numbers we're seeing. Obviously, though, all of us would trade all of that to have Charlie back. But it's a nice, like, rainbow after the storm, I guess is the best way to put it.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Kind of feels like with the trial, a lot of those conspiracy theories now are being shown that they don't have any legs to stand on. And do you think the tide has turned on that front?

[Alex Klopp]

Yes. There were a lot of people that were caught up in the conspiracy theory stuff. Then they watched the hearing, they saw the evidence, and they were like, okay, genuinely, there is no arguing against this. You could not have more evidence on Tyler Robinson. I mean, when Charlie was first killed, I mean, in those first. First, you know, few hours, that was one of the things that definitely I was thinking about was like, oh, my gosh, are we. Are we ever gonna find this person? Are we ever going to understand why this happened? Motive, you know, or is this person just gonna get away with it? You know, or is it going to be one of those assassinations that or. Or murders where it's like, you never hear anything else about it. Like, you know, the Butler shooter, even that tried to assassinate President Trump's. Like, we literally don't know anything about that case. Like, it's so weird. Like, that is, like, frustrating that we don't have any information on that shooter. And then you have Tyler Robinson. It's like, man, everything was just there. And so, I mean, if you see all of that and then you still think, no, this has to be one of the most. This is one of the most intricate, like, crazy conspiracies with different world governments working together and working with Turning Point employees and all this. It's like, okay, if this is one of the, you know, smartest, most intelligent assassination operations to ever exist, you're telling me they let the guy, you know, have all of this evidence against him, you know, he's still alive, where he can talk about it. He was able to turn himself. It's like, hello, you know, if this is supposed to be so, so loctite, this crazy conspiracy, like they did, they did a pretty bang up job over that. So I think a lot of people's eyes were opened. I did see several women. It's because especially women get really caught up in this emotional soap opera. It's honestly pornographic traffic content that has been made about this case. A lot of women were posting like, I just want to apologize to Erica Kirk and I'm so sorry for the content that I have been consuming over these past several, several months and spreading and the things that I have been saying. And I just, you know, she'll probably never see this and never respond or. No, but I have to get it off my chest and say publicly that I, I feel immense remorse for participating in this. And I think that that's going to be the case for many, many people, you know, once this trial gets underway and, you know, may God have mercy on their soul is all I have to say.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Yeah, Alex, we are gonna have to leave it there, but I am so grateful to you for having this conversation with us and, and sharing everything that you're working on. And we really appreciate your time. Thank you.

[Alex Klopp]

Thank you very much.

[Lydia Moynihan]

Thank you for joining us for this episode of Pod Force One. I am Lydia Moynihan filling in for Miranda Devine. Make sure to, like, subscribe and tune in next week for another episode.