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Annapolina Luna
Specifically, what was interesting about the Butler assassination, and I've said this before, I think that that was intentional negligence. There was a coup within the CIA to assassinate President Kennedy. I have observed things that are of non human origin and creation.
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Miranda Devine
Annapolina Luna, thank you so much for joining Pod Force One today.
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Annapolina Luna
Thanks for having me on.
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Miranda Devine
We met in sad circumstances for the first time in person in Arizona at Charlie Kirk's funeral. And I hadn't been aware of just how close you'd been to Charlie. And also your involvement with Turning Point was. Was big. You would travel the country with Charlie and with Candace Owens. So obviously that day was a huge blow for everyone and. But particularly for you as a personal blow.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, Charlie actually is largely the reason why I'm in politics today. So he recruited me to the organization and I help run their national Hispanic outreach. Worked alongside him, Brandon Tatum, you know, some of the biggest names in politics now, Benny Johnson, Graham Allen, all of them really kind of had a jump start at a turning point. And so I owe my political career to him, as you heard in my speech. And obviously he is irreplaceable.
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Miranda Devine
I'm interested to get your perspective on the sort of attack and vicious and cruel campaign against Erica Kirk that's coming largely from Candace Owens, Charlie's former friend and partner, you know, business partner. What drives that? Friends of his have said that jealousy, you know, personal jealousy of Candace, of Erica, who kind of took Charlie away is behind it. But what do you make of it and why is it happening?
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Annapolina Luna
Look, I. I obviously am very focused here in Washington on a number of things, and I don't subscribe to many of the theories that have been proposed by people on the Internet. But what I will say is that, you know, as far as our investigation goes pertaining to what happened with Charlie, there is this very interesting tie to Neville roasting him. Some of the groups were actually talking about Charlie's assassination prior to him being assassinated. One of them, I believe, was called the Queers of Salt Lake City. It was an organization that does have ties to some of these radicalized networks funded by Singham. And so what I will say is that, you know, I met Erica early on, when she first started dating Charlie. I have nothing but a broken heart for her and for her family and everything that, you know, has happened. I also understand that it's impacted people differently, and there is a lot happening right now because the investigation, as far as Tyler Robinson is concerned, is still not over, even though the evidence that we've been told about seems to have him dead to rights. And so I look forward to them releasing all of that for the public to decide on what truly happened.
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Miranda Devine
So is there anything you've seen as a member of the very powerful oversight committee in Congress, that would suggest that Tyler Robinson did not act alone?
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Annapolina Luna
I will say that even though the investigation is being run by the state of Utah, the one thing that I actually was able to, I guess, follow up on in, in my capacity was I actually sat in a deposition with the attorneys and some I was like one of the CEOs from Discord, which was that messaging app that Tyler was communicating on, as well as it just so happens to be the messaging app that also the Pennsylvania shooter in the failed assassination attempt on President Trump was using. And up until recently, that app specifically was not. There were no safety in. There was up until recently, no safeties in effect to ensure that people were not using it as essentially the perfect assassination app. And so I do believe in my opinion, that many of these people that have very similar profiles, whether it was Tyler Robinson, whether it was the shooter in Pennsylvania, in my opinion, they had similar profiles for targeting. Obviously they're the ones that pulled the trigger. But I don't think that the verdict is fully out on whether or not they were coaxed into that, of which I think at this point in time, based on what I'm seeing, it's very possible.
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Miranda Devine
So when you say the perfect Assassination app, you're calling Discord that. What do you mean?
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, so previously, until they really secured the app, it was easy for people to communicate on it without any record of communication. So similar to, you know, you obviously if you send a text message, you're going to have proof of those text messages. If you have a conversation, depending on who you're talking with, I don't necessarily fully agree with it, but section 702 and FISA, certain keywords are picked up. Right. But Discord specifically, and these gaming apps specifically, up until recently were essentially perfect tools for people to communicate and coordinate on. And what's been interesting is if you look at the personality profiles of both individuals, that they're pretty, you know, they're pretty spot on, you know, younger, white, loner males that typically tended to be kind of in the gaming world, definitely people that seem to have been kind of out of nowhere radicalized, very quiet. There's a lot there, I think.
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Miranda Devine
Yeah, there sure is. Because I did a deep dive, thanks to a source into Thomas Crooks, who was the Butler, Pennsylvania shooter, 20 year old, and his social media footprint, which was Much more extensive than we'd been led to believe by the FBI over a long amount of time, particularly under Christopher Wray. When the FBI testified that, oh, he was, you know, he wasn't an anti Trump guy, he was a pro Trump guy, well, that wasn't true. And so why do you think still, the FBI has been very hostile to me after I revealed that information. Why is that? Do you feel like the FBI is on top of the, especially the Thomas Crooks investigation? Thomas Crooks is dead. There's no reason not to release all the information about the Butler assassination, but they are adamant that they've released everything and that while they haven't closed the investigation, there's nothing more to find. He acted alone. Do you buy that?
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Annapolina Luna
I think what is interesting about the initial investigation is a, it was under. Done under Biden, period. So the Biden administration, the FBI, this is the same FBI, remember, that couldn't locate who actually owned that bag of cocaine that was found in the White House and then also ended up destroying the evidence specifically pertaining to the bag of cocaine at the White House. And so I think that there was a lot there specifically what was interesting about the Butler assassination. And I've said this before, I think that that was intentional negligence. I was one of the individuals that actually asked questions of the former Secret Service director. We actually had whistleblowers from within the Secret Service that came out that stated that, you know, they were basically not present or told to stand down at the actual. There was a group of snipers that were actually met that day that was coordinated by the local law enforcement, and they just so happened to not show up. The area that was left open was literally the perfect location to take a shot and basically assassinate someone. And then you have this aspect of the Biden administration that, you know, basically gave limited staffing to a former president with Secret Service and everything that accumulated in the way that it was within, you know, hours of him of Crooks being shot and basically, you know, neutralized. The entire scene was done. I never heard any follow up from that FBI on what happened to the other burner phones. And also too, if this was just some random, you know, lone shooter, why did he have burner phones? What happened to his video game console? I mean, that there's a lot outstanding. And I've actually shared this before that, to me, that has all the marks of intelligence. And I believe in Inside Job, that's literally what I think is. Is the ultimate revelation of that. But again, also too, at the same time, I think that you know, the Butler assassination record and information is actually under the purview of release by President Trump himself. And so I know that there was an initial task force here in Congress that I don't even think did much specifically pertaining to that investigation. I think that you probably found more information than task force in Congress did. And ultimately we've also asked to see if we could obtain that information from the president. And so it'll ultimately be up to him. But, yeah, I don't think that the previous FBI under the last administration took it as seriously as they need to. And it was very interesting that we almost saw nothing about the shooter specifically pertaining to where did he get those other phones. I mean, what happened to him? There's so many outstanding questions. And then when you look at kind of what happened with him and the rhetoric that was used, the large scale targeting of certain elected officials by the Democrat machine, you see the foreign funding tie. And then you see ultimately what happened with Charlie Kirk. I think that, you know, these individuals that were radicalized were going after the people that are most influential in this country. And I think aside from President Trump, Charlie Kirk was one of those people. And I do think that he was also on the trajectory to run for president.
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Miranda Devine
Thomas Crooks, the Butler shooter, just after he almost killed President Trump and did kill Corey Comperatore, an Iranian assassin was. Or an Iranian agent who is actually a Pakistani man, was arrested for plotting an assassination against Donald Trump. He said he would have been asked by the Iranian secret police to come to America and to murder Trump and other political figures. And he's just recently been convicted in New York. What. I mean, how is that a coincidence that just 24 hours after Thomas Crooks fires those shots that this Iranian assassin is arrested?
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Annapolina Luna
How would that. Yeah, yeah. I was just gonna say, as we know, leading up into the 2024 election, there were multiple assassination attempts on President Trump. Remember, there was also that other guy who was, you know, running around with the Ukraine flag, and I think multiple people were targeting the President. But it's definitely, I don't believe the only assassination attempts that there have been, just the ones that the public found out about. And so what's been interesting is, you know, President Trump specifically understands that he was a target. He understands that. And if you've probably even heard him say it, that he does believe that his life was spared by God, which I also believe, because, I mean, the likely of. Of him turning his head for anything else, he wouldn't be here right now. And I think that we would have an even bigger problem on our hands. Because what we're finding is, you know, for so long the rhetoric of the radical left that is largely due to their ideologies, foreign funded, has been targeting and using violence as a means of dealing with conservatives and it is getting people hurt. And I want to go back really quickly to, you know, there were people that were online on social media platforms and there was a book that came out prior to Charlie Crook being assassinated. I don't. Did you ever see that? I think it was being sold on Amazon and it was about the assassination of Charlie Cook. It was put up, I believe, 24 hours or within a certain period of time before he was assassinated. Before and I remember, yeah, before and I remember kind of seeing that. I don't know if there was ever a follow up on it. But you know, I think for people to not fully trust their government, specifically agencies like the FBI, I don't think that that's, you know, just coming out of nowhere. I think that that's literally decades of the federal government and elected officials failures and actually being transparent and honest with the American people. And then of course, you know, we find out about the corruptness that exists within the department of the FBI previously and then also to, you know, the deep state individuals in various branches of government that have engaged in coups against the American people. We can talk about Kennedy if you want, but you know, that's all factually out there. And so I think the best thing the federal government can do is release as much to at least allow the American people to determine their own, their own opinion on that. But, you know, specifically pertaining to Butler, I would like to see the full reports on that. But I also understand the sensitive nature of it to the President and so that's why we've asked for it. And then also specifically pertaining to Charlie, I think that that hearing A should be as public as possible and all the evidence should be put out directly. But from what I am hearing, his fingerprints and his, his, you know, firearm, et cetera, are all going back and specifically pertaining to him as a shooter, which we know he's the one that pulled the trigger. But the question is, is did someone, you know, basically groom him into doing that?
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Miranda Devine
Right. But it certainly had nothing to do with Erica Kirk as Candice applies.
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Annapolina Luna
Well, I don't, I just, I, I definitely have seen many people try to make the implication that she was somehow involved. I don't think that she was involved.
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Miranda Devine
No, you are, as I said, in the most powerful committee, probably in, in all of Congress, which is the House Oversight Committee. And you know, we talk about people say their conspiracy theories until they're proven. And I'll just run through some of the conspiracy theories so called that weren't that you're now have oversight of. So Biden corruption, which I was very involved in. Epstein, the JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King assassination files, 9, 11 files cover up of COVID 19 UFOs. You mentioned Chinese influence, you know, people like Neville Roy Singham funding Antifa and these other sort of underground groups and sexual harassment in Congress. There's more, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's a lot, but we appreciate the transparency attempts. Anyway, I want to ask you about the Epstein files. It's really been an own goal for the Republicans, for the Trump administration. And I want to know why Hillary Clinton coming in and testifying at the Oversight Committee seemed to be to backfire. That was my perception. What was your perception of the Clintons when they came in?
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Annapolina Luna
You know, Bill Clinton was a lot more cooperative than Hillary was. But I think the narrative and the messaging, people forget that the subpoenas that were issued were issued by both Democrat and Republicans. So Democrats actually voted to subpoena the Clintons specifically because of Hillary Clinton's proximity to Jeffrey Epstein through the Clinton foundation and then also to Bill Clinton's now publicly acknowledged relationship with both Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, as well as you saw the photos, and then obviously Ghislaine Maxwell in attendance at their daughter's wedding. But I would say that, you know, they are definitely just a few that will be called in to testify. I know that also Chairman Comer is bringing in some of the co conspirators that were given plea deals. So the only co conspirator currently sitting in jail is Ghislaine Maxwell. The other one were a number of women. There's also a gentleman on there. And Chairman Comer has agreed to call them in to testify. I think next on the docket, one of the larger individuals will be Bill Gates. But I think the fact is, is that you did have people that were being looked at for, charged and then ultimately because of the fact that they agreed to testify against Beth Gillian and Jeffrey Epstein, they are let off even though we know that they're engaged in trafficking and then they're given victim status. And I think that that's really, I think a gross breach of justice within our country when that kind of stuff happens. Because obviously these women were, you know, engaged in behavior that resulted in destroying people's lives. And what's also been interesting is in many of the redactions that you saw in some of the most egregious emails, like the ones where they're Talking about age 10, age 11, there's one talking about a little girl dressed in a Snow White costume, Another one where they're talking about mocking a little girl who's praying for protection. You know, those were all sent by women. Those were not men sending those emails. And so I tell people, you know, and I've actually read some of those names at actually and protected under the speech and debate clause because what we saw is some of those alleged victims were actually trying to sue people if they were putting out their names and information because they wanted to hide under the fact that they were quote, unquote victims, even though they accepted the plea deal and they were anything but victims. And so I think that those people should be called to testify. I've also actually suggested to the Department of Justice that they consider reopening opening some of these plea deals and consider charging these individuals under civil rights violations. Because as you know, there's a statute of limitation in certain charges. But if you're trafficking someone and violating, you know, their civil liberties, ultimately there is no statute of limitation. And so I think that that's something obviously, you know, the Department of Justice has punitive authority. We do not in Congress, but we can make the suggestions. And so I've done that.
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Annapolina Luna
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Miranda Devine
I interviewed Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick some time ago, and I asked him about Epstein, who'd been his neighbor in the Upper east side of Manhattan. And he told me that his knowledge and relationship with Jeffrey Epstein ended around 2005 after he and his wife were invited over to Epstein's house, saw a massage table, thought he was creepy, and made the decision that they'd never see him again. Well, turned out that wasn't true. And in fact, he testified later on in the Senate under oath, said, well, yeah, I did have connection with him after that. I, in fact, went to the island in 2012. You've now called him in, I think, to explain these discrepancies. I've talked to him, asked him why did he lie. He said, I didn't really lie. I just forgot something along those lines. Do you buy that?
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Annapolina Luna
Look, I didn't call him in personally. The Oversight Committee, I believe, is calling him to testify. I have to confirm whether or not it was the subpoena that was sent. But there are a lot of people that are rightfully frustrated to include myself, that people that, you know, seem to forget certain things specifically pertaining to someone who's a convicted pedophile. But either which way, you know, not that I'm going out in defense, but there was a lot of people that had association with him via public events and gatherings. And then there were people that were knowingly traveling with him around situations where there were minors, underage girls. What was interesting is, you know, I'll use Bill Clinton for an example. It was alleged that Bill Clinton was on Epstein Island a number of times by a now deceased victim. And it was actually put out in a number of statements. And when we asked Bill Clinton under oath if that was true, he denied it and said that he was never at Jeffrey Epstein's island, but he did travel on his plane to various places around the world and then specifically was involved with him pertaining to establishing the Clinton Foundation. But, you know, he was coming and he was willing to testify. And so I think that many people specifically, if they did have Closer relationships to the Jeffrey Epstein are gonna have to testify for sure.
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Miranda Devine
What about the president, President Trump? The Democrats have tried. I think the reason they sort of relaunched this whole interest in Epstein, having ignored it for so many years under Biden and Obama, is because they think thought that there would be blood in the water with President Trump. How do you think that's panned out for them?
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Annapolina Luna
Well, I think it backfired. One of the first questions they asked all the victims that came in to meet with the speaker, both Democrat Republican members of Congress, was, was President Trump involved? And they said no. So that was the first exoneration. And then we saw a number of individuals exonerate the President thereafter. And then you saw them basically blatantly lie and try to make it political, alleging that President Trump was somehow, you know, a pedophile and making alleg that if it was in any private individual would basically result in a defamation lawsuit. Right. So I think right now you can see that the same individuals that have been screaming about Jeffrey Epstein justice, which we all want, at least some of us, are also the same individuals that when last week or two weeks ago they were facing with should we release the congressional slush fund that's, you know, used to pay off victims of sexual assault by members Of Congress, over 3/4 of Congress to include them, voted against it. So you can see that this is very much so used as a political smear campaign against the President. But for those of us that are taking the investigation seriously, we do want justice. And as of right now, I have seen one doctor specifically, as well as about four or five women that should come in to testify that I believe should be charged with criminal prosecution.
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Miranda Devine
Just go back and explain for people who don't know about that tax payer funded slush fund for Congress to cover up to pay off hush money for people they've sexually harassed.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, sexually harassed or assaulted. There is basically a pot of money. It's funded by the mra, which is the budget that we're given, which is taxpayer dollars to run a congressional office. And if there is issues of misconduct with members of Congress, they are basically open for a lawsuit and many members have settled using this pot of money to basically pay people to go in. Then they sign NDAs and then it's not a thing again. So what ended up happening was there was a special motion made. It was basically, you know, a vote in the House to say let's release these, these, these files and actually show the American people who's paying who right now. Right. So like who's been guilty of using this fund of money. And you saw, I think it was only 70 to 80 members, including myself, that actually voted to release those files. The rest of the members actually voted to refer it to Ethics, meaning they basically wanted to off ramp because they didn't want to have to take a tough vote because a lot of them are directly implicated by it. And as we know, ethics is where everything goes to die. And so we actually then said, well, this isn't going to work. And so actually at Oversight, Representative Mace made one of those same motions and we actually, I think you probably saw me giving the speech on like, you guys are basically the ones covering this up and it's on both sides and it's corrupt as can be. And after I gave that speech, it went for a vote and it passed. So we actually are going to be subpoenaing those records from the House of Representatives and we will be releasing them.
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Miranda Devine
That'll be very interesting. How was the reaction from your colleagues? People were pissed off. Rhyme. How do they, how do they express that?
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Annapolina Luna
You know, they'll, they'll do different things. Like for example, since we're not playing, playing by the rules, they're going to not put our legislation on the floor. You know, a lot of them will, you know, make little comments here and there or go up to the speaker privately and say that we, you know, we should be dealt with or disciplined, stuff like that. But, you know, these are the same people that have been here for, you know, decades, have accomplished nothing, are part of the problem. And, you know, look at this like a retirement home.
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Miranda Devine
And what's your relationship like with the Speaker, Mike Johnson?
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Annapolina Luna
I like to tell Mike I'm his favorite pain in the ass. And I definitely think I am. You know, if you ask him about me, he, he'll tell you, you know, I'm, I'm an idealist. And then he'll complain sometimes that I don't negotiate. And I do negotiate, I just don't negotiate with terrorists. So as far as legislation goes, specifically for what I'm fighting for, for example on, you know, the Save America act, this is something that is common sense and it's not just me. Now we have a number of Republicans, I think it's close to 50, that will refuse to vote on any Senate legislation unless the Senate passes the Save America act, which is voter id. You saw that the Senate couldn't even do regular voter ID with nothing else attached to it. And this is something that Democrats, Republicans and Independents want. Black, white, Hispanic, everyone wants it, but yet, you know, the Senate and the controlling party and powers that be don't want it. And so that's unacceptable. So I've been kind of raking the Senate GOP as well as the Senate Democrats over the Coles on this.
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Miranda Devine
Do you think there's any chance that the Senate, the Republicans in the Senate, will agree to a talking filibuster or, you know, abolish the filibuster altogether?
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Annapolina Luna
No. In fact, I'm hearing quite the opposite and that they only started doing this debate because they wanted to get pressure off of these senators backs because they realized that this is not just, as John Thune had stated, an influencer campaign, that people genuinely want this, and it's unacceptable because, you know, they. They told the President to, you know, we're not going to remove the filibust. And I think what's interesting about that is the filibuster currently in place is a perversion of what it was supposed to be. The Senate, as is, had time to go on over 130 days of vacation between last year and this year. They said that they didn't have time to, you know, vote on voter id, and yet they had time to do a dog parade. I mean, the optics are so backward. And then you have some of these GOP senators, and it's my own party, right. So they're saying, oh, you know, we support the sitting filibuster. Yet they're doing. They're chummy behind the scenes. They're not, you know, putting pressure on leadership. And it's, you know, it's very unfortunate. The, really, the fighters that we have currently, you know, Tuberville, although he's leaving to run for governor, we have, you know, Rick Scott, Mike Lee, but, you know, it's like even our own party, it just, it's unacceptable. And so I always tell the House members, I think it's primary season to where if you have a state senator that's not actually doing their job and, you know, you. You think that you'd be a better option, threaten to primary them? Because I think right now, the president sent. Anyone who votes against voter ID isn't going to get his endorsement.
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Miranda Devine
Do you think that there are Republicans in the Senate, a number of them, who would actually just assume that the House loses at the midterms, that the Democrats take back over, so that, you know, Donald Trump's agenda is muted and slowed down, and that would actually suit them down to the ground. They prefer being in opposition.
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Annapolina Luna
Oh, you. You nailed it. Yeah. This is like the House in 2016 when President Trump had his agenda, but the leader at the time stacked the Rules Committee with moderates that wouldn't pass his agenda. So that's why we couldn't codify. We've actually, I will say with Speaker Johnson, we've actually codified I think over 80 something executive orders currently. But the point is, is that it's our own party again. You have some of these demo, some of these Republican senators that actually don't like the president. They are, if they haven't come out publicly to say it, you can see that they're trying mind and this belief that they are kind of more important or that they'll be around even after he's not. And so I'm glad that the President's being very aggressive with them because these are the type of people that are part of the reason why we have such a corrupt country right now. A lot of them, you can look at their stock portfolios, I mean, don't even get me started on banning insider trading and like how I waged war on that in House. But you know, a lot of these people are personally getting a lot, a lot of money off of the committees of jurisdiction that they oversee specifically with government contracts that are being awarded. Some of them, like Mitch McConnell, I, that his wife has ties to a Chinese shipping company. Here again, China is back in the picture again. There's a lot there that I think people need to look into.
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Miranda Devine
What do you think of Larry Kudlow's idea of just forget about the filibuster stick, the Save America act and, and extra 200 billion funding for the Pentagon and you know, supply side tax stuff, whatever you like into a new big beautiful bill, a reconciliation bill. Is there any appetite for that?
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Annapolina Luna
No, that wouldn't work because the 200 billion for the Pentagon, there has to be a pay for. And there's also certain concerns about, you know, where is that going right now? The Pentagon hasn't currently passed an audit in a while. And so I think that there would have to be a pay for specifically from some of the more conservative members. And I think that that's pretty valid, right? Like we can't just, you know, we're not Rumpelstiltskin, we don't just grow cash on trees. But we also understand that the Pentagon does need a refreshment of supplies, et cetera. But there will have to be negotiations on that also too. A big beautiful bill, if you will, would have to get through the initial phase of the rule and depending on what they put in it, the Senate still doesn't have to take it up. And so again, that would have to go to conference. We know that the Senate would never do voter id, and so Parliamentarily speaking, I don't believe it would actually be possible to be done.
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Miranda Devine
But Kudlow says you'd only need 50 votes rather than 60 in a reconciliation bill, so. Plus the VP.
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Annapolina Luna
But that would have to get through the House first. Right? And so if you have, you know, all this put together plus the defense, that would be your problem.
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Miranda Devine
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Miranda Devine
let's go to some very interesting files that you have carriage over in. The assassination files on jfk, rfk, mlk. You mentioned earlier about a coup with regards to jfk. What do you mean?
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Annapolina Luna
Oh, yeah. So according to the files that came out that kudos to Director Ratcliffe were actually released. We know for a fact that the CIA undermined, stonewalled congressional Investigations destroyed evidence, intimidated witnesses. And ultimately, it's not just my opinion, but it's also the opinion of some of our investigators that the CIA internally launched a coup against President Kennedy, resulting in his assassination. Not to mention, we actually had one of the doctors who was in the operating room who actually came to testify to Congress. He's upwards of 90 now, and he testified to there being multiple entrance wounds, not just from the front, but also from behind President Kennedy, which means that there was more than one shooter. And we also know that the Secret Service had, even though they were given a no order, destroyed evidence as well. So will we ever find the individuals that pulled the triggers? Probably not. But what I will tell you is, based on the evidence that we do have, it does point to the fact that there was a coup within the CIA to assassinate President Kennedy. And it's also been interesting because up until recently, the Washington Post was kind of known as. And I think they probably still are, but they were known as kind of a mouthpiece for the deep state. If you would have talked about any of this stuff that I just told you right now that we actually have evidence of with the declassification order that President Trump signed, they would have said that you and I were conspiracy theorists. But now we actually have the documentation to prove it. And the Washington Post, of all things, ended up posting an article about George Jonides, one of the embedded spies, to the actual congressional investigations that had a dual identity that was tied to all of this. And so that was an interesting read. And then also, too, to point out multiple presidents, both Democrat and Republican, especially after Oliver Stone's movie in the 90s, actually tried to declassify information pertaining to Kennedy. And it was our own intelligence community that actually blocked it, both directors of the FBI and the CIA. And so until we really had Radcliffe come in those files, releasing them was basically, you know, a pipe dream, ultimately. Now, though, kudos to him. We actually have them all released, and they're on the National Archives if you want to check them out.
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Miranda Devine
And certainly Bobby Kennedy has talked about the assassination of his father, RFK Jr. In what he was sort of denigrated as being a conspiracy theorist. And yet he has amassed enormous amounts of evidence. And as you say, you've managed to extract more.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, there's also too, a civilian declassification board that makes recommendations to the President on certain things to declassify as well. And so I actually spoke several months back, actually. I was invited by an individual by the name of Ezra Cohen on speaking to the civilian declassification board trying to get the 911 files declassified. And to my knowledge an executive order has been written and it's currently sitting over at NSC in order for the President to review. I think based on what we heard, even just talking with some of the 911 families and there was actually one individual from the 911 families that actually came to represent them and their interest and also speak to the fact that we want these records released to the American people. He and these families told me straight up they had more experience and information coming from MI6 than our own FBI. And it was either the growth gross negligence or intentional pertaining to what happened. But the FBI even back then, you know, had information of individuals, they had information of people casing the white the Capitol because yes, the Capitol was also target and they never followed up. I mean there's so much there and I think for them to not release this information is honestly, you know, it's either to save face for the FBI which if they are in the wrong we have to have that out there anyways, which I do think that they are because we know for a fact that you know they, they weren't actually following up on the investigations or the leads appropriately. And then obviously you have the families that are still wanting closure for all this. And so we're hoping that the President signs that executive order.
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Miranda Devine
The 911 theory is one that I'm not fully on board with. I mean the idea that Israel sort of ordered the hit is, is one conspiracy theory a lot of people seem to have bought into. But is there any evidence you've seen or what do you think will come out?
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Annapolina Luna
I haven't heard that one specifically but I do think that there are questions on how much did our intelligence community know prior and also to you know, the fact is is that the Saudi government was very much so tracking a lot of this. And so you know, again, going into what our government knew, failed to follow up on or intentionally drop the ball on until I can actually see those files as well. Which to be clear I haven't been able to access any of them. I think that that's going to be something that is outstanding. But again going into transparency when you're not transparent, that's where you have other theories pick up. If you have the evidence specifically pertaining to for example, I'll use the JFK investigation. There were a lot of theories about the JFK investigation as well. And what we found was literally evidence that the CIA again destroyed evidence, evidence that the CIA had intimidated witnesses. We had destruction of evidence also out of the Secret Service, we had the fact that the mouthpiece that existed in the media to include our own government in the Warren Commission lied about, you know, the possibility of there being multiple shooters. The magic bullet theory, which was totally disproved now, especially with forensics, was also a farce, but we have evidence of that now. So you might not know who pulled the trigger, but we've been able to create a mosaic for people to understand that yes, if you did think that there was something off with the investigation, you were totally correct. It was totally an inside job. And ultimately, as a result of this being declassified, now at least the American people have a little bit more transparency. One of the, I think greatestly greatest orchestrated coups against the American people in US history, which was the assassination of JFK in parallel on 9 11. Until you can actually put out that information, I think people are rightfully so, you know, inclined to question because of their own distrust of the government. But that's why we're pushing for the release. And then I'll I guess end by saying this specifically to the task force and kind of the stuff that we've been able to uncover, I mean, we can even go into the UAPS for an example. But the fact is, is if you have a elected member of Congress, both Democrat and Republican, trying to find answers on behalf of the American people and they're being denied access by bureaucrats that aren't elected to office, what does that tell you about the health and, you know, status of our constitutional republic?
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Miranda Devine
Yeah, I want to get onto the UAPs. UFOs, I still call them, but I just, I wanted to do a little detour into history, quite recent history, where you were on the Oversight Committee during the Biden family corruption investigation, which kind of turned into a circus sometimes when you had Hunter Biden strolling with his lawyer and refused to testify, etc. I feel that, you know, in the end there was a lot of smoke, but it never quite. I think you did prove the financial trail that went to Joe Biden, Joe Biden's involvement in his son and his brother's influence peddling operation around the world. But are you satisfied with the fact that there's nothing more that seems to have emerged from that? No accountability?
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Annapolina Luna
I think that they should have been criminally charged. I think the fact that Hunter Biden was literally active and dealing with the ccp, he wasn't a registered foreign agent. They were getting direct payouts. A person the family was actually using their office to influence Petal and then ultimately Resulted in them becoming multimillionaires. You know, even just on the Hunter Biden laptop, you saw that they were literally communicating with high ranking officials at the ccp. By the way, the CCP people seem to think that, you know, they're not a problem, they are a massive problem. They are the number one threat to the United States of America currently. And it is scary how much tech and how evolved they are specifically, I mean, like on the AI race, I mean, I hope that it's not China that makes it first because that's a big problem. But specifically pertaining to, you know, the Biden family, they should have been charged for at least the, the influence peddling and then also the non, non registered agents of fara. But you know, it goes a little bit deeper than that. And I have had conversations and the fact is, is that we know now that the White House was actually telling people, our own government, specifically with different agencies, to basically shut down investigation or competition with China if it was interfering with Hunter Biden's business dealings. Is that not corruption?
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Miranda Devine
Unbelievable. Yeah.
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Annapolina Luna
And you know, people are so desensitized though. They think that, you know, 2016, they think that Russia collusion happened, but they don't believe that Biden was getting paid by the Chinese. And it's just crazy. Now we know now too. I just saw recently that the CIA hid information specifically pertaining to China trying to interfere with our elections because they know that Trump would be hard on China. And that's what I'm saying is like the deep state. There's so much noise on the Internet and I wish that half the people that are on the Internet could actually focus on the actual threats that we have here. And it's just like going back to kind of, I try to put out as much information as I can, but it's just like you have to ignore the noise because the noise is a distraction. We actually have very serious things happening right now and not a lot of people are aware of it.
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Miranda Devine
And also I feel the noise is deliberate. I mean, in some sense it's probably being put out there to charm in the water.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, of course, foreign funded. And then they hit people with bot accounts. And then people, you know, think that, you know, you're arguing with, you know, Democrat Karen from Iowa, when in actuality you're probably arguing with a Chinese bot farm. Right. Or they think that they're fighting with like a very conservative man named, you know, Mac from Texas, yet it's a Chinese bot farm. And I think that that's the aspect of we have this great thing in the United States within our First Amendment, but please trust and believe that it's being used against us by our foreign
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Miranda Devine
adversaries, say specifically with Biden. But it applies to all the Oversight Committee work.
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Annapolina Luna
Yes.
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Miranda Devine
How do you get accountability? Well, that's what the American people keep saying.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, yeah. That has to come out of the Department of Justice, because, again, we're not in. In the legislative branch, we don't have punitive authority unless someone really defies a subpoena, but even then. So it's referred to the Department of Justice for the most part. A lot of members of Congress don't know the House rules, and so they're not familiar about, you know, something called inherent contempt, nor do they have the stomach to actually push it. But what I will say is that you have to get more young people, I think, involved and that are passionate, that aren't publicly corrupt, and there's a lot of corrupt members of Congress. I think that I've kind of proved that at this point, but to, I think, do nothing and just to say, okay, well, you know, I see what. There's a problem, but I'm not going to actively get involved. That's also means that you're complicit. You have to, if you see that there's an issue, accept responsibility and choose to fix it.
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Miranda Devine
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, so I had a very. Not your average politico upbringing. My mom had me at 20 years old. My parents were never married. And ultimately, by the time I graduated from high school, I had essentially jumped around a lot of different high schools. And so I wanted to go to, you know, college, but I had no way of paying for it. And so I actually ended up enlisting. And it was the best decision that I could have done. Not only was I able to help my family out, but I also, too, was able to pay my way through college. And ultimately, you know, my goal was to go to medical school. And as you saw, Charlie Kirk kind of called me up and diverted my path, and rightfully so, you know, serendipitous in timing that the year I would have graduated medical school actually ended up getting elected to Congress. So, you know, don't believe in coincidences, but it ended up working out for the best. And ultimately, I think, you know, my upbringing, you know, being from kind of a volatile background ultimately gives me a different lens and perspective, especially with dealing things here in Washington. And what I realize is that I have a very aggressive approach to getting things done because I also understand that we have a short window of time and, you know, growing up, when you see something, say something. And so I think that that's kind of what taught me and really kind of what brought me to where I'm at today. But, you know, I also say this. I'm not, I'm not looking at this as a long term career. A lot of people want to do this, you know, and they're here for 10, 20 years. I don't want that. I don't want that because A, I love my life. I have a great family and I represent and I live in one of the most beautiful states in the country in Florida. And so I don't want to, you know, fully say goodbye to that because public service, if you're actually doing the right thing, is a very time consuming job. It's a massive sacrifice for the family. But while I am here, I'm going to do a good job and I'm going to represent my constituents and I'm going to kick butt. And I think I'm doing just that. So we actually take office or we take requests for help, constituent casework, whether it's VA help, Social Security, all that, not just from Pinellas county or from the rest of Florida, but like, literally from around the country. We have people calling in and asking for help and we help them.
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Miranda Devine
So you said a volatile childhood, volatile background. What do you mean?
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Annapolina Luna
Oh, yeah, My dad struggled with substance abuse. There was, you know, a lot of, there wasn't a lot of stability in that sense.
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Miranda Devine
It was myth, wasn't it?
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, yeah, it was methamphetamine. And ultimately, you know, one of the high schools I went to, Venice High School, there was a gang shooting on campus, you know, but I don't, I don't choose to, you know, victimize myself in that. And, you know, I do share my story and it does impact people. And it was interesting because when I first got elected, I had the Washington Post reaching out to people. They, you know, when I first got elected, the DCCC or when I first ran ended up actually getting access to My military records, which is illegal, by the way. And they were trying to find dirt. They didn't find anything, but they're contacting, you know, my old supervisor. My supervisor sends me a message and says, hey, I'm getting reached out to by the New York Times, and they're looking for information on you, and they're kind of looking for dirt. And I was like, that's interesting. Send me a screenshot of the text message. So he did. And so I called the New York Times and I basically debunked everything. And I said, by the way, like, you know, you guys can try to publish this, but I'll sue. And then ultimately, the New York Times editor actually shut down the article and was like, this is literally defamation. And so they gave it to the Washington Post. Washington Post continued that. And they published just a completely biased left leaning, just like trying to smear and trash my reputation. And they even went as far as interviewing people that I had not Talked to in 15 years, like distant relatives that like, my mom didn't even know that, like I had nothing to do with. And they basically lied. They lied on record about me. But it was great because I had receipts. And so actually after that happened, Time magazine investigated my background and found out I was telling the truth and published a great article and I was named as times next 100 most influential in the world. So good silver outcome. Yeah, good outcome.
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Miranda Devine
But it was a lot of battles to get there, and you had to be pretty, Pretty tough.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah.
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Miranda Devine
And the other, the other thing about the Air Force was you met your husband there. I believe he's a veteran who was wounded in Afghanistan. And you have a little baby together.
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Annapolina Luna
Yep, Yep. I met my husband Andy over 15 years ago. It's crazy that it's been that long, but I met him at 19. He was 20 or. Yeah, 20 and 21. So it's been a very long time. But in 2014, he was shot in Afghanistan, made a full recovery, was given a Purple Heart, and then deployed several times after that, which is crazy. I thought that after your first injury, that's it, you're done. But not according to the Air Force. So he continued deploying, got a bronze Star, and then he actually ended up getting out during COVID And we have a little boy doll that's two and a half.
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Miranda Devine
Oh, lovely. And what's he do now?
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Annapolina Luna
So he basically comes up here to back and forth to D.C. and works kind of in the, in the AI space.
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Miranda Devine
And does he support what you're doing? Does he think it's something that's worth doing to sort of save the country. Obviously, he's a patriot himself.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, absolutely. We're definitely politically aligned. And it actually helps because as you can imagine, up here can be a pressure cooker. But I always say that he's my sounding board and you know, I talk things over with him, but he understands kind of the sacrifice. And we're both, you know, we've always and only have known ever public service. Right. Both being in the military at a young age and then going kind of into politics together. But he also understands that it's not long term. And so I joked with him when I first got involved in politics. I was like, you know, we did 10 years of active duty deployments where you're gone, you know, every six months, basically on rotations to the Middle East. So if you give me about 10 years in politics, we'll call it quits.
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Miranda Devine
That's right. Yeah. But you're not going to get wounded. How badly wounded was he and does he still bear the scars?
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, so yeah, he still has a scar. He was actually shot in his upper left thigh and it missed his femoral artery by a centimeter. I'm not kidding when I say that. When I saw the X ray and I was talking with the surgeon, they're like, he is lucky to be alive because as you know, if it clips your femoral, you can bleed out within. Within minutes. And he is very, very lucky. Actually ended up, you know, I was, I was young, I actually ended up dropping out of my college semester. Came up here to take care of him. And actually my first time to Washington D.C. this is before I even thought about running for office, was actually me staying with him at Walter Reed Medical Center.
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Miranda Devine
Wow. So that must have been kind of a life changing moment for you as well as him.
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Annapolina Luna
Oh, yeah. You know, this was at the tail end of, you know, the 20 year war is what I call it. And you know, I remember being there, we were still really young but, you know, young enlisted in the military. And I remember being in the recovery ward, which is where he was at Walter Reed. And at night you would hear people yelling and screaming. And, you know, there are a lot of young kids. When I say kids now, you know, being in my later 30s, you know, these were younger, you know, 19, 18, 19, 20 year old, would I say his kids. And, you know, some of them missing legs and whatnot. I remember being over at the, the commissary or at the mall across the street from the hospital and seeing this young Guy and he must have been probably about 22 years old and he had two little boys behind him and he was missing both of his legs from the ied. And we were talking with some of the captains at the time that were kind of part of the transitions because Andy, actually, I think as a special operations foundation, had come up to kind of assist with the recovery and whatnot. But they're saying that sometimes with a lot of the injured soldiers that were coming back or members of the Air Force, regardless of branch, that sometimes, you know, the spouses couldn't handle it and they just wouldn't show up. And so, you know, there's a big aspect and, you know, we can get into, I think, what's happening right now with Iran and the perceptive that the perception that the American people rightfully have with not wanting to get involved in another long term conflict while you were
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Miranda Devine
at the Air Force, on your base in, I believe, was it Arizona or. Anyway, you'll tell me, there was a UFO that penetrated the airspace.
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Annapolina Luna
So it was a. The story is when I was stationed, this was after I left active duty, I went to the guard, I was at Portland Air National Guard, and there was an airspace incursion where they had scrambled the F15s at the time to respond. And the implication from the conversation that I had with two pilots specifically there was that it was an unidentified object. But they never specifically stated uap. They just said that they couldn't talk about it. And they, you know, you could infer it. And I think that, you know, based on what we know now, and having talked to a number of pilots specifically, you know, the military up until recently had a stigma surrounding reporting of UAPs to where people were threatened to be taken off flight status if they were to actually talk about these things. And I think that that's a stigma we have to remove. Because speaking from a strictly national security perspective, why would you want to silence people into not saying anything, See something, say something?
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Miranda Devine
I think you've said in the past that you've seen yourself evidence of interdimensional beings. What's that? Aliens or so I've.
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Annapolina Luna
The Internet. Interdimensional beings is what our witnesses will call these things. I have seen evidence in a skiff that leads me to believe there are things we cannot explain. And I have observed things that are of non human origin and creation. That's my opinion again. But there has been a declassification order from the President and you will see as soon as that stuff comes out.
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Miranda Devine
Right. So do you think that The American public's going to be super surprised when this comes out. Or is it going to be a bit of a nothing burger?
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Annapolina Luna
Well, I don't think it'll be a nothing burger, but, you know, we're not going to tell the American people what to make of it. But I think, you know, when again, you saw my last hearing that I did with the task force, where there was some footage that was entered into the archive, and it's pretty shocking for people. I don't know much tech that can deflect a hellfire missile. I don't know about you, but, you know, I think. So what do you think you'll see?
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Miranda Devine
So what do you, you know, if you had to just make a decision now about whether there really were, I guess, aliens moving among us with their strange machines that have all sorts of powers, do you think that's plausible?
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Annapolina Luna
I don't call them aliens, and I don't know what these things are that they're using. Right. But I think that they're stuck. Stuff that we have witnessed as members of Congress been briefed on that we cannot explain. And I will leave it at that because that's going to be coming out soon. And I think that the American people will have many of their questions answered. But, you know, there was stuff declassified years ago out of the Pentagon. Multiple videos, Tic Tacs, I think Tucker Carlson family actually had shown one of the videos. It looked like a pyramid that was flying around. And, you know, people see it, they're like, yep, we knew it. And then they move on. So I don't think that, you know, the Earth is going to. To stop moving. But I think that for a lot of people that are paying attention, it's just confirmation of kind of something that we already suspected.
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Miranda Devine
So you've seen in a skiff evidence.
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Annapolina Luna
I can't tell you. I can't tell you what I've seen in a skip because I'll get in trouble for that.
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Miranda Devine
Right.
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Annapolina Luna
But when it's declassified. Well, I have to be careful about how I answer it. But when it's declassified, I will. I will have a press conference and I'll show you exactly what we saw.
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Miranda Devine
Oh, fantastic. Okay, so it's going to be worth something.
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Annapolina Luna
Yes, definitely. It's definitely. Look, there's definitely. Look, I want to defund Arrow. I've have gone on record for this. Arrow is an organization that has dropped the ball on a number of occasions. But I have had.
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Miranda Devine
What are they?
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Annapolina Luna
Multiple members. It's the organization that was stood up by Congress to investigate UAPs. But there is a specific agency that has done some phenomenal work with the investigations, and that is the agency that specifically pertaining to this should. Has everything for it. And you know, that information will be released soon. The American people are smart enough to decide what they're looking at.
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Miranda Devine
Great. Looking forward to that. So, last question. Annapolina Luna, is success. I always ask people about the secrets of success. You're successful in what you've done in your various different guises, and you know a lot of successful people. So what. What are the tricks?
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Annapolina Luna
I'd have to say you have to be passionate about what you are fighting for and what you're choosing to pursue. If you're not passionate about it, you're not going to be as successful because it can get difficult. And the passion's what brings you through time management. So make sure that you're taking time for yourself, your family, because those are the ones that are going to give you the foundation that you need, especially when times get tough. And then also know when to let go. So know when something's no longer beneficial to you or it's starting to become a negative and it's okay to let go and move on. That's a part of life.
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Miranda Devine
I should have asked you this earlier, so I'm going to do an extra question, if you don't mind.
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah, okay.
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Miranda Devine
Time management. As a mom, I know myself as a working mother for many years. That's tricky. So how, how has that changed for you? And are there any lessons that you have for other working moms?
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Annapolina Luna
Yeah. So my job is very different than most in the sense that I'm required to travel at least twice a week to Washington or once a week, week here and back to D.C. so we're traveling no matter what twice a week on an airplane. But I do not actually send my son to daycare because I literally can't because our schedule is so crazy. But I bring him with me and what I will say is that when I'm working, I'm working. I bring him to a lot of meetings with me and understand that that's just kind of part of the hand that I've been dealt. And I think that he'll have a lot of incredible stories as a result of that. But also too, I understand when I'm not working, I'm completely not working. Meaning, like. Like I actually don't have social media on my phone. And so when I'm. My phone's away and it's up, it's time for family time. And I think specifically with young kids, social media has kind of become, whether or not people realize it, a way that's, you know, been taking away from a child that type of attention and investment that they really need to grow and to kind of help shape their little minds. And so that's been one thing that I'm very particular about. And I tell my team to, you know, make sure that you're guarding a toe. Cause politics can be a 24 hours, 24 hour thing and you still wouldn't make that much of a dent depending on, you know, what it is. But ultimately, to be more effective, I have to be well rested. I have to make sure that I have my family good to go. And so I make sure that I kind of guard that wonderful.
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Miranda Devine
Well, congratulations and thanks so much for spending the time.
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Annapolina Luna
Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Miranda Devine
Thanks for watching Podforce one. I'm Miranda Devine. We'll be back next next week with another big interview. Let us know what you thought of today's video by leaving a comment below. And please hit like and subscribe.