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BONUS CONTENT: BILL O'REILLY NO SPIN NEWS President Trump vs. Blue States, Takeaways from AG Pam Bondi's Senate Hearing & Tim Graham Reacts to a Major Shakeup in Liberal Media
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Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to the no Span News. Tuesday, October 7th, 2025. Stand up for your country. You know, we're all being deceived. Every single American citizen is being deceived because we cannot get honest information any longer. Now, the Constitution set up the press, the media as a conduit of telling the folks what was happening in an honest way. Well, that's falling apart. We've documented it here. We'll do it again tonight a million different ways because the corporations have taken over and in their pursuit of money, okay, they have bent the rules or basically thrown the rules out the window of honest reportage. That is why I am running an independent news agency here. Don't want to work for these people anymore. They're not honest people, Okay? I can't do what I want to do in a corporate setting. So propaganda and ideology now dominates, not facts. But not here. So I'm going to give you tonight really what's behind this whole immigration thing, and very few people understand it. And I'm going to do it very deliberately. If you have a pen and paper there, you're going to write some of this down because it'll be useful to you. And that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo. So there's a constitutional showdown coming up between President Trump and the blue states, Oregon, Illinois, California, Massachusetts, New York, on and on. And it's about illegal immigration. The blue states do not want to obey federal law, and they aren't. They're basically saying, we're not obeying and take us to court or do what you do. President says, all right, I'm sending in troops and federal agents to enforce immigration law. It's a very easy conflict to understand. But there is no resolution to it yet. The Supreme Court will have to do that. That's the setup. Okay? Now, the current immigration law that we have now was put into effect in 1952. 1952. They have not upgraded immigration law in 74 years. Are you kidding me? Harry Truman was president when Congress passed the immigration law, Immigration and Nationality act of 1952. Truman vetoed it, never signed it. But Congress overrode his veto. And essentially it said that illegal entry into the United States, this is under the US Code 8, 1325, is a crime if you come here without a valid passport. If you sneak across the border, it is a crime. Crime subject to a fine or six months in prison or both. Okay? Now, Truman didn't like the law because he felt that it was putting quotas on certain countries, which it was. All right, he didn't like that. But Congress said, too bad, Harry. We're passing a law. And they did. Now, President Biden refused to obey the 1952 law. This whole mess that we're in now is Biden's fault. So he and his minions in the White House just said, not going to enforce it. The clearest example is if you want asylum in the United States, you have to apply for it at a port of entry. No, Biden did not enforce that. So anyone who was caught sneaking into the United States, I want asylum. Because that's what the drug cartels, smuggling cartels, told them to say. And the Border Patrol then immediately put them into a confined area, and then Biden released them. Catch and released. And we paid the bus and plane tickets, and then they went wherever they went, and they had to show up in five years for a hearing, which, of course, most of them never do. That was all on Joe Biden. It is absolutely an outrage what the man did. He wasn't held to account by Congress. Not impeached, very. The press didn't care, and Biden just skated along for four years. The result, 15 million undocumented people came in under the Biden administration. Enter President Trump, who campaigns that I am going to get the undocumented people out of the country. A lot of people. 15 million. Okay. Now, in the past, you had to have a judge sign an order of deportation. That's impossible now. Not enough judges, not enough courts, not enough anything. The judge cannot sign a deportation order for 15 million people. So the Trump administration, on January 21st of this year, when Trump took over, said, we're going to have a new policy called expedited removal. Now, it wasn't passed by Congress. Executive order, expedited and removal, Homeland Security. If they catch you, they're booting you. There is a way around that. If a migrant hires an attorney, an immigration attorney, and they say no, the person fears for his or her life. You got to go into the process. Then there is that they can't boot them if an attorney gets involved. But these migrants can't speak English. They don't have any money. That. So expedited removal is, we catch you, you're gone. You don't need a judge signing a deportation order that has got to be adjudicated by the Supreme Court because that's brand new and it's underway. Enter the progressive left, which says, oh, no, we don't want anybody removed. Due process this, that and the other. We don't want anybody renewed. And we're not going to cooperate with all Homeland Security and ICE agents to find anybody. In fact, we're going to stop them if we can. All right, so the blue states are interfering with the federal law because they don't like it. Now, that is the problem right there. However, it is a crime to interfere with federal law. It's a crime. And that is what has happened in Chicago and Oregon to some extent. So if you. The word is hinder. If you hinder a federal investigation, be charged with a federal crime. Certainly the governors of Illinois, Oregon, Massachusetts, all are hindering federal investigations. And so are the mayors, Johnson and the Senate. They're hindering. And I will now prove it. Okay, so the U.S. code 18, 1505 says, quote, whoever with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, this is in writing or obstruct compliance with any civil investigator demand commits a crime. So if you are preventing federal agents from rounding up undocumented people, it's a crime. You're hindering a federal investigation. It's right there. 18 U.S. code 1505. All right, now, President Trump has not ordered and his Justice Department to put Pritzker and Johnson and all these people in handcuffs. Could. But that would escalate this to a very, very high level. However, now there is irrefutable proof that this is happening. You Remember on Saturday, ICE, three ICE agents in Chicago, 10 cars driven by protesters approached, and one woman tried to run them down. They had to shoot the woman. She didn't die. She's in FBI custody now. But the ICE agent shot her. The Chicago Police Department immediately knew that there was trouble. Here's what the dispatcher said. Roll it.
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And again, for the chief of patrol, we have all the units that for 999. Chief of Patrol said, all units clear out from there. We're not sending anybody over to that location.
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We're gonna clear out as soon as we can spot. We're, we're like locked in over here. So we're gonna do the best we.
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Can to get out of here as soon as we can.
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The chief of patrol for the Chicago Police Department is a man named John Hein. H E I N. He ordered his police officers not to help the ICE agents or prevent the shooting of that woman. He hindered a federal investigation which led to violence. Hines should be in jail now, in prison now, or bailed out. You can't do that. I don't know whether the Justice Department is going to take any action at all, but they could. I would if I were Attorney General. You can't have that. That's anarchy. Now, the Chicago chief of police, a man named Larry Snelling, he knows that his chief of patrol, second in command, committed a federal crime. He knows it. Snelling. Here's what he said. Our officers were not told to stand down. Our officers were out there throughout the entire event. I would never tell our officers to stand down because if our officers were in trouble and we needed help from other officers, I would expect those officers to step in and help us. And it's the same thing that we do on our side. Snelling's not telling the truth. Obviously, the tape contradicts him. He goes, our officers were not told to stand down. Yeah, they were. And it's. There's no two sides to the story. Chief, you're looking like you're not an honest man. Okay, let's get to the Supreme Court. They're going to have to sort all this out because it is one big mess. And Congress is at fault because you don't keep an antiquated law from 1952 on the books without updating it. In the face of Armageddon, in the face of unbelievable intrusion on the part of foreign nationals to this country. Congress doesn't do a thing because both party uses this for their own political benefit. The conservatives want everybody out, the liberals want everybody in. So the Democrats want everybody in. And the Republicans won't, you know, they don't want to compromise on it. So this is Congress, so the Supreme Court's got to step in. Now. In my possession is a document. I don't know if this document is in anyone else's possession. I have the original document. It is signed by then Attorney General Robert Kennedy. In 1963, this is when the President, John F. Kennedy, sent 17,000 National Guard troops to Alabama to force Governor Wallace and the state to admit nine students into Alabama public schools because Alabama was not obeying the civil rights law they were flaunting. We're not going to obey it. 17,000 were ordered down. So RFK writes a memo to a senator from Louisiana who was, of course, on the side of Alabama, saying, no, no, no, you don't have the right to send a guard. Here. Here's what RFK said, quote. When it appeared that the commands of that order had not been obeyed and the obstruction of justice was continuing, the President on the same day issued Executive Order 1111, authorizing and directing the Secretary of Defense to take all appropriate steps to remove obstruction of justice in the state of Alabama. For this purpose, he was authorized and directed, inter alia. Inter alia means, among other things, to call into active military service of the United States and use any or all units of the Army National Guard or Air National Guard of the state, Alabama. Both the proclamation, Executive order were issued under and expressly invoked the Authority of the U.S. code, Title 10. Now, that is justification for what Donald Trump is doing right now. Okay? Robert Kennedy called it obstruction of justice. I'm calling it hindering a federal investigation. But it's the same thing when a state, city, county, whatever it is, says to the federal government, we're not obeying the federal law, the President has the authority to move in and force them to do it. Okay? Now, the President does not have the authority to run the Chicago Police Department, but if somebody in that department hinders the feds, which obviously happened in Chicago, they can be charged. All right? So I think that's the best analysis you're ever going to get of what is happening now. It'll go to the Supreme Court, and I expect the Supreme Court will rule five to four, maybe six to three in President Trump's favor. The liberal judges don't care about the law, the Constitution, they just vote on, and some conservative judges, too, to be fair, do. But on this case, with that Kennedy memo, okay, And I actually sent that memo that I have because I don't think anybody else has it, to the White House. I sent it there. Now, whether they look at it, I don't even know. That's my job as an American citizen and a journalist. And that's the memo. Our Attorney General, Pam Bondi, went before the Senate Judiciary Committee today. Of course, it was part of the partisan. Immigration was one of the things, and it was the Epstein files. Then it was a crime. It was on and on and on. But there was a back and forth between the Illinois Senator, Dick Durbin, and Ms. Bondi rolled the tape. The American people don't know the rationale behind the deployment of National Guard troops in my state. The word is, and I think it's Been confirmed by the White House. They are going to transfer Texas National Guard units to the state of Illinois. What's the rationale for that?
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Yeah, Chairman, as you shut down the government, you voted to shut down the government, and you're sitting here. Our law enforcement officers aren't being paid. They're out there working to protect you. I wish you loved Chicago as much as you hate President Trump. And currently, the National Guard are on the way to Chicago. If you're not going to protect your citizens, President Trump will.
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Well, she didn't answer the question and the rationale. And maybe if she sees my Talking points memo tonight, she can take up the legalization of it. You know, that's not a slap against Attorney General Bondi, but she didn't. She used it to attack Durbin. And, you know, I go about these things in a more methodical way. All right, Trump's job approval, state by state. This is fascinating. So this comes from the World Population Review, which is a global statistics website. I'm going to run down all the states in the union, all 50. And this is how popular in the job approval area Donald Trump is. Alabama, 62%. Like Alaska, 49. Arizona 50. Arkansas 61. California 33. Colorado 39. Connecticut 40. Delaware, 36. Florida 53. Georgia, 46. That Georgia number is interesting. Hawaii, the most liberal state in the union. Only 26% approve of Donald Trump's job performance. Idaho, 66. Illinois 37. Indiana 57. They're side by side, those states. Illinois, 37. Indiana 57. It's amazing. Iowa, 49. Kansas 57. Kentucky 59. Louisiana 56. Maine 40. Maryland 30. Massachusetts 32. Michigan 47. Minnesota 43. Mississippi 57. Missouri 54. Montana 56. Nebraska 54. Nevada 47. New Hampshire 41. New Jersey 40. New Mexico, 45. New York, 38. North Carolina 47. North Carolina Number is like the Georgia number. It's kind of trending Blue. North Dakota, 67. Ohio 50% approve of Donald Trump's job performance. Oklahoma, 63. Oregon, 37. Pennsylvania 46. Rhode Island 36. South Carolina 55. Finally, South Dakota, 58. Tennessee, 59. Texas 50. Utah 56. Vermont 26. Tied with Hawaii. A lot of socialists in Vermont. Virginia, 42. Washington state 36. West Virginia, 68. Wisconsin 45. Wyoming 69. So you can see, we are a divided country. No doubt about it. Now, I'm gonna. I don't usually do these individual migrant crime stories anymore, because we all understand that 15% of the 15 million that poured in here are evil sobs. Okay, that's the rationale for evil. 15% of the human population is bad. So there's a guy named Roberto Salarino, Mexican national, 53, faces six counts of murder. He drove a car in Napa Valley, California, into a poll. Six people died. Fourth dui. Homeland Security says he had been deported, quote, several times. We asked Homeland Security, how many is several, how many times was he deported for criminal activity? Homeland Security would not tell us. Not good. Not good. Anyway, Solorino is now charged with murder, as I said, but this would never have happened. Six human beings would be alive if Kate's Law had been passed years ago. There's an attempt to revive Kate's Law, but it's scattershot. No one's really powerful behind it. Trying to convince President Trump to get behind it. You cannot have criminal aliens coming back after being deported. If they come back, 10 years in a federal penitentiary. Kate's Law. Boy, it makes me mad. This is a study from Wright State University in Ohio. 40% of drivers killed in traffic accidents in America, high on pot. 40% of fatalities. People driving high on marijuana. All right, you want to legalize it, you want to sell it all over the place? There you go. Told you. Politicians care not. A witness puts every one of us in danger. Every single one of us in danger on the road now, not only you have booze, but you got pot. Why? Because your reaction time is dulled and you have slower reflexes, Narrower focus. You're stoned out of your mind. Okay, media madness. First big change in the network news hierarchy has been implemented. It's a woman named Barry Weiss. B A R I Weiss. Big on the Internet, runs the free press. Okay. Used to work for the New York Times. Quit because she said it was far too liberal. She is pro Israel, anti woke. She has been appointed by CBS News as new ownership Paramount, Skydance, and as the editor in chief. CBS rank and file are freaking out because it's 90% liberal over there, as everyone knows. Now Ms. Weiss comes in and is going to change the culture. That's why Skydance hired her. Joining us now from Herndon, Virginia, is Tim Graham. He's executive editor of News Busters, which is a conservative watchdog group that follows the media very close, closely. So, as you know, Tim, I used to work for CBS News. I was there when Rather was the anchor in liberal culture then pretty intense liberal culture when I was there. Now it's off the chart. What do you think is going to happen with new management at CBS News?
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Well, it has to change somehow. You know, she Fired the first shot, so to speak, in this memo she sent out when she took office, just the title editor in chief makes all the liberals nervous. And especially when I think it was item six and seven, she said, we are going to try to provide equal scrutiny of the political parties and we are going to try to ensure a diversity of viewpoints. Both of those are extremely opposed to what we generally see on CBS. Specifically on some programs like 60 Minutes, we are already seeing there's complaints saying, please don't touch the Crown Jewels of 60 Minutes and CBS News Sunday Morning. Those are two of the most aggressively tilted shows where you have fierce scrutiny of Trump and the Republicans and you have fierce publicity for Biden, Harris, you know, and the like.
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Right, right.
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So, I mean, it's, it's, we know.
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The CBS Morning Sunday Morning program because they flat out refused to put me on to talk about my books and I'm a best selling nonfiction author in the world. That's Jane Pauley, by the way. Jane looks so nice out there in her little demure outfits and all of that hardcore leftist, hardcore leftist. 60 Minutes been taken over. When Hewitt and Wallace were there running it wasn't that left. It was a little bit, but not crazy. Now it's crazy. They want to get President Trump to do an interview. I talked to the president about this on Friday. He's still up in the air about it, but he's got, Mr. Trump has the advantage now because if they do anything untoward, they got to answer for it, whereas they didn't have to answer to the old CBS News hierarchy. So that in itself is a big change, correct?
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Yeah, it certainly is. And what I enjoyed the last time when President Trump sat down with Leslie Stahl, they recorded it themselves. And we got these great nuggets like Leslie Stahl trying to tell Donald Trump, you can't verify Hunter Biden's laptop. We can't do that. And then they did. But yeah, it's plainly anti journalism to say we cannot or more likely, we refuse to do work that embarrasses Democrats. That's at least what the memo says that Barry Weiss is trying to change.
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Well, look, Scott Pelley hates Trump. Hates him. And then just when he gives his speeches outside of cbs, I mean, he says it. Pelly, Pelly's not a phony. He just said, I hate him. So who's going to interview him on 60 Minutes? Can't have Leslie. Can't have Pelly. Who are you going to have? I don't know. The rest of them are. I Mean, they just kind of parade them in and out. Now say that CBS moderates a little bit and I believe it will. I was on with Major Garrett for Confronting Evil and Major is a colleague of mine from Fox and he's now a big CBS guy and he put me on right away. We had a very good discussion. So that was a shocker to me. Came out of nowhere. And so I said, wow, maybe this change in the air. I don't see change in the air for Disney BC and Comcast NBC. Do you see any change over there in those two places?
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I would say no. I mean, NBC is sort of shedding msnbc.
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They're done, right? It's over.
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So MSNBC might actually get worse. But yeah, I don't think there's anybody inside those buildings that are going to say, why don't we try applying equal scrutiny to both parties? I mean, look, this is exactly what we've tried to suggest would be the way to do it. The old fashioned way to do it is you would, you would, first of all, you grant access to both parties and then you would try to ask each of them fair and somewhat challenging questions. And that's just not what we've got. Okay. Instead, yeah, he's doing interviews with Biden where they edit him out.
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Disney's taking it on the chin, though. I mean, their theme park attendance is down. They're getting cancellations for Hulu and their cable outs because traditional Americans know to fix this in and they know they can take it out on Disney, Comcast a little bit different. They, they let Ms. It's Ms. Now. They're on their own and that's going to fail because they, they just don't have any resources. So I give them a year and they're not going to pay anybody anything. And that's another thing. Salaries are going to drop all over the place. Let's get the cable because we are talking about Ms. Now. So the cable operations, they're not under the same scrutiny as the network news because the FCC has no power over cable at all. None. Whereas the FCC does have power over the three networks. Does that make a difference?
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Well, you'd think it does now because one of the complaints about whether it was Jimmy Kimmel, where there was the lawsuits against cbs, for example, they all thought, well, if you want to, if you have any business where you want to acquire a media property and the FCC or the FTC has to approve it, then Donald Trump's going to tell you you need to do X, Y and Z. So they've been concerned about that. So, yes, the cable operations don't have that fear. But the problem is, as you suggested, Nielsen now tries to measure these things where they said half of Americans watching television are watching it on streaming and the other half it's cable and broadcast combined. And we certainly know, I know from my own children, they're not watching broadcast tv. They're not listening to broadcast radio.
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Absolutely. Over my urchins haven't watched a network show in years. Now they're young adults and they still don't watch it. So the clock is ticking on all of them. Hey, Tim, thanks very much. If you get any inside stuff, let us know. And we appreciate you helping us out. Okay, we got a final thought ahead. A lot of scared people around. And, you know, people walk up to me all the time and they're scared. I'll tell you why in a moment. Final thought of the day. So wherever I go, people know me and that's both good and bad. I got to be careful. So I'm going to go to Yankee Stadium tonight to see the Yankees pound the Toronto Blue Jays, hopefully. But I'll have to have, you know, people watching me and stuff. I don't get bad stuff. Very, very rarely do I get bad stuff. It's usually complimentary, but you got to be careful anyway, when I go out, people go, are things going to get better? I mean, and I said, well, what are you concerned about? You know, what's worrying you? High prices. Number one, people are crazed. They're paying more for the essentials of life. Even though gas price coming down, food is really stubborn. Number two are these riots, these immigration things. You know, the video. And they tell there's going to be civil war. It's going to be. And I go, no. Most Americans understand that we have to get this undocumented situation under control. I was on News Nation last night talking about it with Leland Vitter and I said there's got to be some restraint, though. Can't have ICE guys go in and beat the hell out of people. That's going to turn it against the Trump administration. It's got to have some restraint. You don't have to do everything at once. But most Americans on the side of law and order, it's different from the George Floyd riots. Now, they were emotional and that was dangerous, very dangerous, because there were a certain segment of the population hell bent on revenge and destruction. Not the same thing with the undocumented. These are professional demonstrators. These are paid people who go to Chicago, Louisiana, other places, other hotspots, Portland, Oregon. All right, they're paid. They go in to cause trouble. All right, it's not, it's not like all the people in Multnomah County, Oregon, are rising up against ice. That's not happening. It's a small, professional, radical, progressive crew that's on the payroll. That's what's doing most of it, not all, but most of it. So I tell people, not in any danger of a civil war. That's not what's happening here. But as I said in the beginning of this program, the Supreme Court has to clarify that this immigration law situation has to do it for the good of this country. Thank you for watching and listening to the new Spin News. I'm Bill O'Reilly. We'll see you again tomorrow.
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