Donald Trump Unleashed: Bibi, "Are You Effing Crazy?!"

Summary

Pod Force One: "Donald Trump Unleashed: Bibi, 'Are You Effing Crazy?!'"

Host: Miranda Devine (New York Post)
Guest: President Donald Trump
Date: June 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features an unvarnished, wide-ranging conversation between Miranda Devine and President Donald Trump, recorded in the Roosevelt Room of the White House. The discussion touches on Trump's current approach to foreign policy crises (Iran, Venezuela, Israel), economic indicators, internal political maneuvering, the legacy and implications of past elections, and his thoughts on leadership and the future of American politics. Throughout, Trump offers his characteristically blunt views on rivals and allies alike, as well as on the U.S. media and election integrity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Presidential Role Models and Personal Style

• Teddy Roosevelt as a Model: Trump praises Roosevelt for energy, conservation, and toughness ([00:29]).
  • "He was a very good president. Now, he inherited a lot of money for the country because of tariffs." – Trump ([00:29])
• Modern-Day White House Fights: Trump highlights an upcoming UFC event at the White House and jokes about entering the cage himself ([01:19]).
  • "We'll have to think about that. This sounds like not a good idea." – Trump ([01:31])
• Active Leadership: Trump frames himself as “an active president, as opposed to some of our other presidents.” ([01:49])

2. Iran, Venezuela, and Foreign Affairs

• Iran Policy and Military Action: Trump claims near-total military success in Iran, a willingness to use force, but preference for “the nice way” ([02:12]; [08:59]; [26:33]).
  • "Where do you see? I mean, that'll be very big success. It already. We've essentially defeated the military." – Trump ([02:12])
  • "Certainty. It would be over. There wouldn't be any, there wouldn't be any talking, there wouldn't be any delays." – Trump on the "other way" vs. deal ([26:33])
• Blockade and Economic Impacts: U.S. blockade in Iran cited as a main lever. Trump predicts resolution “fairly quickly,” dismisses media claims of being cornered ([05:35]).
• Venezuela: Trump touts rapid, bloodless success: “That was essentially much less than a one day war and a great success.” ([04:51])
• Diplomacy with Iranian Leadership: Comments on Iranian leadership turnover, open to face-to-face meetings ([03:34]).

3. U.S. Economy & Domestic Affairs

• Stock Market and Inflation: Claims “unbelievable” economy, historic stock market highs, and reduced inflation from “9, 10%” inherited from Biden ([02:12]).
  • "71 times we've been at a new high... people for one case are all high." – Trump ([02:12])
• Energy Prices: Emphasizes energy/gas prices will drop once Iran situation resolves ([08:02]), even referencing gas at “A$85 a gallon in Iowa” ([08:01]).
• Job Growth: Points to construction and manufacturing, especially auto plants, as evidence of economic vigor ([07:17]).
• Impact on Everyday Americans: Admits prices remain high for some, but reiterates inherited issues and forecasts improvements ([02:53]; [07:32]).

4. Political Strategy and Election Integrity

• Messaging Tactics: Admits ongoing, often confusing, public signaling (“Facts change. And this thing, some things quick. This is rapidly changing.” – Trump [09:45])
  • "That's good. That's good. They're confused and the Iranians are confused." ([09:20])
• Iran Timing & the Midterms: Asserts need to act immediately against Iran, even if it risked midterm electoral impact ([10:45]).
  • "If I did that, they would have had a nuclear weapon. It would be wonderful to say, oh, let's wait till after November. But no, this is, this is too important." ([10:47])

5. Israel, Netanyahu, and "Are You Effing Crazy?!"

• Confrontation with Netanyahu: Trump confirms he was “perturbed” and direct with Bibi over Israeli-Lebanon escalation ([13:55]).
  • “I did. I wouldn't say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe we got to stop this.” – Trump ([13:55])
• Accusations of Being Tricked: Rejects claims Israel pushed him into Iran conflict, asserting ultimate responsibility ([14:45]).
  • “I mean, I'm the one that started it, because, again... we can't let them have a nuclear weapon.” ([14:45])

6. Election Claims and Democratic Leadership

• 2020 Election "Rigged" Narrative: Trump doubles down on claims of CIA and Democratic Party interference, referencing Hunter Biden laptop episode ([16:32]).
  • "The election was rigged 100%." – Trump ([17:40])
• Response to Legislation: Frustration at lack of bipartisan support for voter ID and ending mail-in ballots, with detailed criticisms of specific senators (Rand Paul, Lisa Murkowski, Mitch McConnell) ([20:25]).
  • “Why would you have three or four Republicans not in favor of voter id, proof of citizenship and no mail in ballots?” ([21:09])

7. Assessment of Potential Opponents, Democrats, and Political Future

• Democratic Candidates: Harsh critiques of current and prospective Democratic politicians—Talarico, Platner, Jasmine Crockett, Gavin Newsom—highlighted by repeated references to low intelligence and radicalism ([23:32]; [35:15]).
  • "There are a lot of low IQ people. But. Oh, he's horrible. Talarico is horrible with the six genders, the mask. [...] Vegan in Texas doesn't work." ([23:58])
• Kamala Harris, Joe Biden: Ridicules Kamala's border performance and Biden’s performance as president, debate, and intelligence ([25:11]; [27:19]).
  • "Joe choked. Now, I wouldn't say he was in the greatest condition to start off with." ([27:26])
• Republican "Talent": Praise for JD Vance, Marco Rubio as future leaders and potential team ([34:09]).

8. Internal White House & Cabinet Dynamics

• Cabinet and Staff Appointments: Mentions Bill Pulte’s new role as Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard’s declassification efforts, and consideration of DOJ leadership candidates ([37:20]; [39:34]).
  • "She did [declassify]. Well, it told us they're corrupt. It told us that the election was rigged." – Trump on Gabbard ([37:38])
• Declassification and DOJ: Commitment to transparency on election and "deep state coup" events ([37:29]).

9. Broader Reflections and Legacy

• Restoring American Strength: Repeated remarks about turning America from a "dead country" to "the hottest country in the world" ([27:53]; [49:00]).
  • “I took this country. And today you have the hottest country anywhere in the world, the most successful country anywhere in the world.” – Trump ([49:00])
• Personal Legacy: Trump hopes to be remembered as the leader who “made it great again” ([49:00]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“There wouldn't be any bullshit, there wouldn't be any talking, there wouldn't be any delays. But, you know, I'd rather do it the nice way.” — Donald Trump on strategies with Iran ([00:00])

“He's involved. Absolutely ... I think they have, they have a lot of respect for him.” — Trump on the ‘gay ayatollah’ in Iranian leadership ([03:49])

“Their economy is crashing. They have 250% inflation. They have everything that you can have that's bad, they have.” — Trump on Iran’s current state ([06:04])

“That's good. They're confused and the Iranians are confused.” — Trump on keeping both public and adversaries off balance ([09:20])

“If there wasn't me, there would be no Israel right now.” — Trump on his role in global security ([14:45])

“The election was rigged 100%.” — Trump, repeating claims of fraud and manipulation ([17:40])

“I have a great memory. Look, so far, so good. Yeah, I hope I'm going to keep it that way. If I don't, you'll be the first to know.” — Trump on his cognitive health ([43:54])

“I took our country and I made it great again. This country was going down the tubes. We were a laughingstock all over the world.” — Trump on his desired legacy ([49:00])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Trump on Teddy Roosevelt and the UFC in the White House: [00:24]–[01:44]
• Iran & Venezuela updates; Economic performance: [02:12]–[03:22], [04:51]–[05:45]
• Iranian leadership & potential for in-person meetings: [03:34]–[04:41]
• Labor Day economic projections and blockade on Iran: [04:51]–[05:45]
• Exchange on strategy (“messaging” and keeping adversaries off balance): [09:20]–[09:45]
• Bibi Netanyahu confrontation — “Are you effing crazy?!” [13:39]–[14:45]
• Election integrity and voter ID debate: [19:16]–[22:19]
• Republican Party dynamics and candidate prospects: [34:04]–[35:15]
• Bill Pulte's promotion and Tulsi Gabbard's role: [37:20]–[37:43]
• Trump on cognitive testing and memory: [43:20]–[43:54]
• Personal legacy and vision for America: [49:00]–[49:41]

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Flow and Tone

The conversation is candid, conversational, and laced with signature Trump bravado and dismissiveness toward rivals and critics. Miranda Devine maintains an inquisitive and respectful tone, prompting Trump to elaborate and, at times, challenge his assertions. The episode shifts between serious policy discussion, personal anecdotes, and sharp jabs at political opponents—mirroring the unpredictable, headline-making style characteristic of Trump's public persona.

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Summary Takeaways

• Trump asserts dominance and success on international and domestic fronts, with special focus on Iran and Venezuela.
• Reiterates election fraud claims and demands for stricter voting legislation.
• Blunt assessments and critiques of Democratic leadership and 2028 prospects.
• Emphasizes energy, unpredictability, and directness in leadership style—both as tactics and as personal branding.
• End goal: Restore and maintain U.S. greatness, redefine legacy as transformative, and ensure hostile policy shifts are reversed and held accountable.

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For listeners seeking insight into Trump’s worldview, political tactics, and unfiltered opinions on friends and foes at home and abroad, this episode delivers direct answers—and raises the curtain on the dynamics, grudges, and chessboard moves shaping the remainder of his presidency.

Transcript

[Donald Trump]

There wouldn't be any bullshit, there wouldn't be any talking, there wouldn't be any delays. But, you know, I'd rather do it the nice way. Iran's a big success. Where do you see it? At some point, I said, maybe we gotta stop this.

[Miranda Devine]

Thank you, Mr. President, for joining Pod Force One again. We're in the Roosevelt Room. Teddy Roosevelt's portrait is above your head.

[Donald Trump]

Right.

[Miranda Devine]

Tell me, is he your. One of your favourite presidents and why?

[Donald Trump]

Well, he was a good one. Had a lot of energy, loved the outdoors. He was very good for the parks, the national parks and lots of other things. He was a very good president. Now, he inherited a lot of money for the country because of tariffs. You know, we had McKinley, William McKinley, who made the country very rich. And as you know, he left office unexpectedly. You know how he left office? Right. He was assassinated.

[Miranda Devine]

And Roosevelt also was shot.

[Donald Trump]

He was shot, too. In a heart. In a wallet. Yes, right by his heart. And then he wanted to finish the speech and maybe he did finish the speech. Yeah. So he was. No, but he was a very good president.

[Miranda Devine]

And he staged fights in the White House lawyer, just like you have seen.

[Donald Trump]

Did you get a copy of the. Did you see what's being built on?

[Miranda Devine]

I have, yes. It's wonderful.

[Donald Trump]

Do you have shots of it?

[Miranda Devine]

We will.

[Donald Trump]

You have to. It's incredible. I tell you what's happening. The UFC is having a big fight on June 14, and it's going to be a great event. Everybody wants to come.

[Miranda Devine]

Teddy Roosevelt actually fought himself. Are you planning to get into the cage?

[Donald Trump]

We'll have to think about that. This sounds like not a good idea.

[Miranda Devine]

I don't think the first lady would be thrilled, or the Secret Service.

[Donald Trump]

It'll be very exciting.

[Miranda Devine]

June 14th and you're flying out to the G7 that night.

[Donald Trump]

I then right after that, I leave for the G7. So I'm an active president.

[Miranda Devine]

You are.

[Donald Trump]

As opposed to some of our other presidents.

[Miranda Devine]

How are you going? Because there's an enormous amount of stress on you since the last time I talked to you. You have every problem in the world weighing down on you and you've been very active with Maduro, with Iran trying to sort Ukraine out, the economy, energy. How are you managing to bear all of that?

[Donald Trump]

Well, one thing is working out well. You know, Venezuela was a big success. Iran's a big success. Where do you see? I mean, that'll be very big success. It already. We've essentially defeated the military. We'll see what happens. We're going to. We're working on a deal and that happens fine. And it doesn't happen, that's okay too. We'll do it the other way. But the economy is unbelievable. We have, we just hit another stock market high today. All time high. 71 times in the short period that I've been here for the second term, 71 times we've been at a new high. And whether we like it or not, that is a big indicator of where we've got. People for one case are all high. They're all setting records.

[Miranda Devine]

What about people who don't have 401ks and they're worried about gas or groceries?

[Donald Trump]

We hear about, I inherited very high prices when I came in. I inherited the highest inflation in the history of our country. You know, Biden had like 9, 10% inflation and I inherited that. And we have it way down. And then I said I did have to say we have to do something about Iran because regardless of how well we're doing, we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. And we. They've already agreed they're not going to have a nuclear weapon.

[Miranda Devine]

Have that.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, yeah, they've agreed to that. I mean, now they can change their mind. But that's, that was one of the things they had to agree. They've agreed to that. That was the big thing.

[Miranda Devine]

How do you know the people you're talking to there are actually the people making the decisions.

[Donald Trump]

So we had various levels of people and the first set is gone, the second set is gone, part of the third set is gone. And the people were we're dealing with, we know they're the, they're the people that are leading the country right now.

[Miranda Devine]

Is it the gay ayatollah?

[Donald Trump]

He's involved. Absolutely.

[Miranda Devine]

Really?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah. I think they have, they have a lot of respect for him.

[Miranda Devine]

So is he. He's compos mentis. He's not sick. In hospital, in a coma as we.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I don't know. I haven't had the privilege of meeting him.

[Miranda Devine]

Right.

[Donald Trump]

But I'm not hearing he's doing great. You're doing better that way. He's not, if you believe the stories, is, you know, missing a lot of different parts.

[Miranda Devine]

So who's making the decisions?

[Donald Trump]

Well, they say he is giving approval because that's the way it is. Has been for a long, long time. His father and then him. I guess it's a succession, but we seem to be getting along quite well.

[Miranda Devine]

Would you like to meet him or meet any of the Iranians in person?

[Donald Trump]

I've never thought of it actually, it's a very good question. I'll think of it. Yeah, I'd like to meet him. I like to meet everybody. I'd like to meet him. We probably will meet at some point, depending on how it all works out

[Miranda Devine]

and how do you see the economy? Iran, by, say, Labor Day, September 7th. Where's our country going to be?

[Donald Trump]

I think we're going to be in very good shape. We're in good shape right now. We have the blockade, which is amazing. Our navy is great. We have the strongest military in the world. I built, I built the military on my first term and I'm using it during my second term. I didn't think I'd be using it this much, but we had a big success in Venezuela. That was over in one day. We have a great relationship with the people in Venezuela. The oil companies are moving in now with us. That's been a tremendous success, even from the economic standpoint, the oil standpoint. But that was essentially much less than a one day war and a great success. And we're having a very great success in Iran militarily.

[Miranda Devine]

So you think the blockade will still be in place by Labor Day?

[Donald Trump]

I don't know. I mean, I think it could be, but I think it's unlikely. I think that we'll have it. I think this will resolve itself fairly quickly.

[Miranda Devine]

The media is almost universally saying, oh, Iran's got you in a corner, that the Hormuz Strait is a big problem. That's their trump card. What do you say to them?

[Donald Trump]

Well, you know, they know that it's fake news, just fake news. And most people, I mean, the professionals, the ones that aren't just jaded and sick, you know, they're mentally ill, or Trump derangement syndrome, let's put it this way. Iran has no navy, they have no air force. They have very few soldiers. They have no leadership. The leadership, I mean, the original leadership is wiped out. As I said, the second leadership is wiped out. Some of the third leadership is wiped out. Their economy is crashing. They have 250% inflation. They have everything that you can have that's bad. They have. And then if you read the New York Times, you think they're doing fantastically. It's amazing. Now, our country, on the other hand, has the best stock market we've ever had. We have, with the exception of the oil for a short period of time because of the war. I mean, you know, other than that, we have very little inflation. The country is doing fantastically. We're leading the world. We have $18 trillion being invested in the country in just 11 months. Whereas the past administration, sleepy Joe, had less than, he had less than a trillion dollars. And we have $18 trillion, which is a record for any country anywhere in the world. The record was $3 trillion. And we have 18 coming into our country. That's 11 months.

[Miranda Devine]

And when will that stop being felt by.

[Donald Trump]

It's being felt in gas prices. Well, you see it in construction jobs because factories are being built all over the country. Auto plants every. It's being built. We have more auto plants under construction now than we had during our prime. And that's a prime automobile.

[Miranda Devine]

In your first term, that was, I think one of the hallmarks was that people's wages, especially, you know, working people's wages, were rising much faster than inflation.

[Donald Trump]

Do you see that's happening now? That.

[Miranda Devine]

Right.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, it's, we don't have very much inflation. Look, if you take away just the price of gasoline, the energy, we have very little inflation. We're doing very well other than this. So. But that's a big, that's a big puller, you know, energy and gasoline and all that's a big factor.

[Miranda Devine]

People feel it.

[Donald Trump]

So it's, so it's, you know, it's a very important thing item. And that'll start coming down very rapidly as soon as this ends, when it ends. But what we will have is we'll have a situation where Iran will not have a nuclear weapon. Yes. And that's really more important than all of it. We want low gas. You know, I had it. I had it down to a $85 a gallon. Think of it, a $85 in Iowa. I was in Iowa just before the war started and I had it down to A$85 a gallon in various parts of the country. And it'll be back there again at some point in the, probably not too distant future. I think as soon as it ends, it's going to come. It's already, by the way, it's already way down. You know that. I mean, I saw, I saw it the other day. It's $98 a barrel. So everyone said it was going to be 3, $400 a barrel. It's $98 a barrel. But that's not a big price to pay. If you look at the possibility of them having a nuclear weapon. It's not a very big price to pay.

[Miranda Devine]

And are your tactics where you say something and then change it and then do a peace deal and then break the ceasefire or whatever, is that all about trying to keep The Iranians, off balance, are you sort of messaging to them? No, because people at home, sometimes you, I hear they feel anxious and confused.

[Donald Trump]

That's good. That's good. They're confused and the Iranians are confused.

[Miranda Devine]

Right.

[Donald Trump]

But no, it's just the way I am. It's, it changes. I mean, I could leave here, I could give you an answer and then in 20 minutes go into the Oval Office and say how things going. And I realize my answer is now incorrect. Okay. I could come back and say, miranda, do me a favor, let's change the old answer because it's incorrect.

[Miranda Devine]

But I think it was that part of the article.

[Donald Trump]

No, it's, no, it changes. You know, facts change. And this thing, some things quick. This is rapidly changing. We've dealt with Iran for 47 years and you know, they've killed many of our people and they killed many people all over the world. The state sponsor of terror, number one in the world. And it's rapidly evolving. And it's evolving. Good. It's going to be very good. We're not going to, they're not going to have a nuclear weapon. Lots of other good things are going to happen. And we're going to have something that we, I say we did a little excursion down to the beautiful country of Iran, or as they say, the Islamic Republic of Iran. And we did that little excursion knowing that, you know, hey, I just hit the highest stock market price in history and very little inflation. And I said, gentlemen and ladies, we're going to now have to make an excursion now because we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. And that's what we wish you waited

[Miranda Devine]

as soon as we, after the midterms,

[Donald Trump]

I could have, but I know because this is, this is too important. If I did that, they would have had a nuclear weapon. So they would have had a nuclear weapon two weeks after the B2 bombers struck. So if I did that, they would have had a nuclear weapon. It would be wonderful to say, oh, let's wait till after November. But no, this is, this is too important.

[Miranda Devine]

Has it set you back, you think, in terms of how Republicans will do in the midterms?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I don't know. I mean, everybody I endorse wins. I mean, everybody. You saw that right last week. Every single person I endorse wins. So I don't know about that. But again, this is a very important moment in history. We can't let this happen. What was going on 47 years, this should have been done. For 47 years, this should have been done For a lot of presidents and other people, other countries should have done this.

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[Miranda Devine]

Now, Axios reported that you had a phone call with Bibi Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, in which you were angry with him. You said, are you effing crazy? What are you effing doing? I helped you stay out of jail. Is that true? Did you speak to him in those terms?

[Donald Trump]

I did. I wouldn't say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe we got to stop this. We got to stop it. But I have a very good relationship. We've done well, done well together. He always is. We could never have done it, but everybody knows that we could have never done it without the United States. But I've worked very well together. I like Bibi a lot and I've worked very well with him. We had a, you know, where he, I'm a wartime president. He's A wartime prime minister, very important part of the world. And I think we've done, you know, very well. We've. We've gotten along very well together.

[Miranda Devine]

What do you say to people who claim that Bibi Netanyahu tricked you into going into Iran?

[Donald Trump]

Well, they're just, you know, the enemy. They're just, you know, the Democrats. The, um. These are Democrats. These are people that don't know what they're doing. They want men playing in women's sports, and they want open borders so the world can pour into our country. And they want transgender. For everybody, surgery, and they want transgender utilization of our children. No, these are just words, you know, that's all they do. It's all they're good for is words. Like, I heard that the other day for the first time. I said, he tricked me. I mean, I'm the one that started it, because, again, I don't want to bore anybody, but I started because we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. Now, that pertains to Israel because they probably would have been the first one to get hit. There would be no Israel. Tell you what, if there wasn't me, there would be no Israel right now. And it started off as, when I terminated the horrible Barack Hussein Obama, the Iran nuclear deal that he penned, and that would have given Iran a nuke that was a road to a nuclear weapon. And I terminated it, which was lucky. I did. And then I stopped it a second time with the B2 bombers flying in and bombing the hell out of them. They would have had a nuclear weapon with. If I didn't do that attack, which, you know, somebody. Very few people would have done it. If I didn't do that attack, Iran would have had a nuclear weapon, and they would have used it almost immediately.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah. And speaking of Barack Obama, there's a senior intelligence official that worked under Obama who's now come forward to the inspector general and said that he's analyzed that dirty 51 letter that falsely claimed Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. And he said that was a deliberate, concerted deception operation by the CIA to stop you winning the election.

[Donald Trump]

Well, you wrote a good book about it, maybe the best, and I always appreciate it. That's one of the reasons I'm doing this interview, because I shouldn't be here right now. I'm supposed to be someplace else. I'm doing it because it's you. Thank you. You wrote, really a great book. It was a whole fake. The whole thing was a fake. And they were trying to Say that. That his laptop. You called it the laptop from hell. And you said. You called it from me.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

And I never asked you for 10% or 25%. I should have said, give me 20. Because that book was a big success.

[Miranda Devine]

It was.

[Donald Trump]

And you called it the laptop from hell. It was. It was a great term, you have to say. But think if they didn't have that laptop. Think if he didn't give it to the repair shop.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes.

[Donald Trump]

Or if he picked it up. You know, the guy kept calling him, pick it up. Pick it up. After, you know, 10, 15 phone calls, he opens it up and he sees what's in there, and he couldn't believe it.

[Miranda Devine]

But polls show that you would have won the election if people had known about it and it was censored. And the dirty 51 letter. Those CIA former directors, they rigged to the election.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Miranda Devine]

And I mean, is the Department of Justice looking into.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I won't get into that.

[Miranda Devine]

Okay.

[Donald Trump]

But they're looking into plenty of things. No, the election was rigged 100%. Now, the only thing I can say is that I think we're probably having a better term than if it was the second term I wanted three times. Yeah. But I think it's a more important term than it would have been if I did it the other way.

[Miranda Devine]

A lot of damage done to the country by Joe Biden.

[Donald Trump]

That's right. The one thing is that we wouldn't have had 25 million people pouring into our country. That's a big thing. And we wouldn't have had the war with Russia and Ukraine either. That's a big thing. There's so many people have died, they're losing 25,000 people a month. That wouldn't have happened. And he was the worst president. Had no idea what he was doing. Should have never been president. He lost the election in a landslide. And, you know, we have a very corrupt election process when you think of it. The Democrats fight because they don't want to have, like, proof of citizenship. Yeah. Think of it. Who wouldn't have proof? They fight. They hire law firms, the biggest law firms, most powerful law firms in the world, so that they can not have. Not have proof of citizenship. They. They fight because. Voter id. Voter identification. They don't want voter identification. By the way, Democrat people do. You know, if you interview Democrats, not politicians, Democrats. They want voter identification. They fight because of the ballots. They have mail in ballots. We're the only country in the world that has mail in ballots. No other country does it anymore. They've done it used to have a lot and they realized it was totally corrupt.

[Miranda Devine]

So why won't this.

[Donald Trump]

We have a very corrupt election process.

[Miranda Devine]

Why can't the Senate just pass the Save America act for voter id?

[Donald Trump]

They should do that. Yeah, they should do that. They don't have the votes.

[Miranda Devine]

Can you put it into.

[Donald Trump]

They don't have one Democrat vote. I'll give you an example. The Senate doesn't or the House doesn't have one Democrat vote saying we want voter id, we want proof of citizenship, and we don't want votes being mailed all over the place and coming back touching 15 different hands. Right? Yeah. We want to have no mail in ballots. Now, France had no mail in ballots this last election and it was very nice, but they used to have voter. They used to have a vote by mail. They called it vote by mail and they found it was very corrupt. It's going to be corrupt, 100% corrupt. It has to be touches all over the place. You know, in California, they mail out 38, I think 38 million ballots. And some people get three, four, five ballots. Republicans get, oftentimes none. They have to call in, where's my ballot? Where's my ballot? Last minute.

[Miranda Devine]

Do you have a plan to get it through? I mean, you have the Republican majority in the Senate.

[Donald Trump]

Well, we have a majority, but we have a few Republicans that, believe it or not, like Alisa Murkowski and Rand

[Miranda Devine]

Paul and are against voter id.

[Donald Trump]

It's. Would you. Why don't you call them up and say why? Yeah, they're against the safe. Why would a Republican. Why would a Democrat. You have to say the Democrats are like 86 in favor of it. Yeah, it's only the leadership because they want to cheat. The only reason you would not want it is cheating. But we have a few Republicans that are. Nobody can explain it. They're against it.

[Miranda Devine]

And do you think Mitch McConnell is.

[Donald Trump]

Mitch McConnell's against it?

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah. Do you think he has personal animus towards you? And he's probably.

[Donald Trump]

Even though I was the best thing that ever happened to him, I did the judges.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

Without me, he wouldn't have any judges. I guess he does. Yeah. You know, look, without me, he wouldn't have been elected. It was my endorsement that got him elected. He was losing by a lot. I endorsed him and he won the election quite easily along with everyone else. So you saw that the other night. I think I was 112 and 0, 138 and 0. But it's been a very interesting period of time. But you do have to ask that question. Why would you have three or four Republicans not in favor of voter id, proof of citizenship and no mail in ballots? And you can have mail in ballots. You can if you're in the military. Because I don't want to make it sound so harsh. It's really very popular if you go away on vacation, like you'd like to visit your country. Okay. Which is a very nice country. Although they've gone a little bit sour.

[Miranda Devine]

That's true.

[Donald Trump]

I don't know what's going on with them.

[Miranda Devine]

I know they'll come back. They've got a labor government.

[Donald Trump]

Well, they have to come back because we've sort of lost them. Would somebody want to have voter id or. Or surely if.

[Miranda Devine]

Could you. Larry Kudlow's idea. Put Save America act into the reconciliation.

[Donald Trump]

Well, we're going to do it, but they have to do it. I see. You have to do it, fellas, because people are not happy about it.

[Miranda Devine]

And there's a plan to override the parliamentarian who's so polite.

[Donald Trump]

Well, the parliamentarian shouldn't be there.

[Miranda Devine]

No, but if she is parliamentary, I don't care.

[Donald Trump]

She shouldn't be. If she is, she shouldn't be.

[Miranda Devine]

J.D. vance can overrule her.

[Donald Trump]

John Thune has the right to change the parliamentarians. So the parliamentarian was put there, I think, by Barack Hussein Obama 2012. So immediately I know she's no good.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes.

[Donald Trump]

Okay. She's no good. She rules against us and they don't change her. And they can.

[Miranda Devine]

So do you talk to soon about.

[Donald Trump]

I do, I do. I say, why don't you do it?

[Miranda Devine]

What does he say?

[Donald Trump]

I'd rather not say because I have a very good relationship with him and I'm going to try as long as I can to keep it that way. Yeah, yeah.

[Miranda Devine]

Now the Democrats have got a huge problem. Graham Platner in Maine is one example. That terrible Senate candidate.

[Donald Trump]

Well, he's a major sleazebag. I mean, you look at him. Yeah, can't imagine that. But yet he's up in the polls against Susan Collins. But she's always down in the polls and, you know, she survives. But.

[Miranda Devine]

But they have James Talarico in Texas.

[Donald Trump]

I think she's one of the worst, actually. I think Talarico is worse. You want to know the two of them? I think Talarico is probably worse than Rico, is better than Jasmine Crockett. No relation to Davy Crockett. Do you know Davy Crockett? Yes.

[Miranda Devine]

Raccoon hat.

[Donald Trump]

King of the well, Frontier yes, but, but Jasmine Crockett, I thought was Hera. I think she's a better candidate than him.

[Miranda Devine]

Oh, she's better.

[Donald Trump]

So I think she would have been better. And she's, you know, grossly incompetent. She's a low IQ person. There are a lot of low IQ people. But. Oh, he's horrible. Talarico is horrible with the six genders, the mask. A couple of months ago, he's wearing a mask. Vegan in Texas doesn't work. It's heavy. Vegan.

[Miranda Devine]

God is two genders.

[Donald Trump]

Now he's going, no, no, let's have a barbecue. Did you hear the other day, said, we're gonna have a barbecue?

[Miranda Devine]

You know, why can't the Democrats find a normal red blooded white male? They have all these frauds. Anybody.

[Donald Trump]

It doesn't have to be a. What? They could find anybody that, you know, we have like 350 million people. Of course, nobody has any idea because they poured in. So. But you know, during Biden, they poured in here like 25 million people. But we have 325 to 350 million people. And you would think that we would have some great ones. We do have great ones, but they don't seem to be chosen by the Democrats. And of course the Republicans has one of the finest intellects in the history of our country, you know, to cream to the top. But I'm amazed. Including Republicans, but especially the Democrats.

[Miranda Devine]

They don't appeal to men.

[Donald Trump]

Well, look at that. Look at the. Yeah, they're not appealing to anybody. We had Kamala. Kamala was a disaster. The border czar. She was a. She was the border czar. She was the queen of the border. She never called, she never went there and she never made one phone call. You know, I know all the border guys, you know, the border patrol, they're great ice. Border patrol, they're very, you know, the patriots. Yeah, they're great.

[Miranda Devine]

A lot of them are veterans.

[Donald Trump]

They spoke to me a lot. I call them all the time. How are we doing on the border today? So now the border is sealed. We have nobody coming in. Nobody. We actually had for the last 11 months zero people coming because they don't even try. Yeah, they don't come up. They don't go into the caravan. They don't come up. But look, our country is the hottest country in the world. So we had numerous people leaders, but in particular, so I was with the king of Saudi Arabia. He said, you know, and at that time, it was seven, eight months ago, but he said essentially a year And a half ago you were a dead country. Now you're the hottest country in the world. We're the hottest country in the world. We have the strongest military in the world. Everybody knows it. You saw that in Venezuela. You see that with Iran. I mean, their navies wiped out. Their air force is all gone after three days. Their, their military was virtually wiped out. Now I have to make a determination. Do we sign a deal or we do it the, the other way. And the other way is not nice.

[Miranda Devine]

What will the other way achieve though?

[Donald Trump]

Certainty. It would be over. There wouldn't be any, there wouldn't be any talking, there wouldn't be any delays. There wouldn't have been. But you know, I, I'd rather do it the nice way. From a humanitarian standpoint.

[Miranda Devine]

Can you do it just with bombing the other one?

[Donald Trump]

You don't have to. We don't need boots on the ground now. Well, we did it, you know, we wiped out much of their military with just bombing. We didn't put anybody on the ground. You don't want to do that. You're so far away. You don't want to do that if you can avoid it. But it's been an amazing period of time. No, we have. Think of it a year ago, year and a half ago, we had a dead country. It was a dead country. It was a laughingstock all over the world. We had a president couldn't climb up a flight of stairs. It was an incompetent.

[Miranda Devine]

Joe Biden said this morning that she would have, he would have beaten you. Joe Biden. In last year, in that election, there

[Donald Trump]

was never a candidate that was down as much as he was. He was down by so much. And his debate performance, by the way he choked, you know, they were saying, why did he do so badly? I got no credit for the debate. They said Trump was great, but they didn't say Trump made him choke. He choked. Just like a golfer that can't sink a three footer like stands over, you know, it's choking a baseball player, a basketball. Joe choked. Now, I wouldn't say he was in the greatest condition to start off with.

[Miranda Devine]

Do you believe Joe choked?

[Donald Trump]

That was amazing.

[Miranda Devine]

Do you believe Joe Biden when she said she thought that he was having a stroke?

[Donald Trump]

No, I don't believe it. No, he was, he wasn't at the top of his game. But you have to understand, if you go back 35 years ago, he was not considered a smart person. He was never a smart person. He was a horrible president. Obama was a horrible president. Barack Hussein Obama, he was a great divider, horrible president and there haven't been too many good ones over the last period of time, to be honest with you. But Obama was an absolutely horrible divider and that played into this whole nightmare that we had with Biden who couldn't do anything right. The whole world was laughing at us. We can never let think of what happened. Number one, Russia, Ukraine wouldn't have happened and number two, we wouldn't have people pouring into our country from jails and from drug dealers, terrorists, mental institution and terrorists and from. I mean literally they emptied out jail. The jail populations, the whole jail was emptied into our country and many of them were. We had 11,888 murderers, most of whom committed more than one murder allowed into our country. And we can never forget what the Democrats and they are dumb. What the Democrats. And that's my name for them. Yeah, you change the U for the E and nobody knows that dumb has me. So you just put it. But the Democrats, what they've done to this country and you can never forget it.

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[Miranda Devine]

Jill Biden was also in her book she's written about your wife, the first lady Melania Trump. She claims that she was kind of cold to her on inauguration day when they shared a cab she's quite rude about her. Says that she rejected her offers to have cups of tea, et cetera. What do you think the first lady would make of that?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I don't know. I mean, I didn't see the book. I don't think I'll be reading the book. I think the debate was very interesting, though, because, you know, the man was. He was a bad debater anyway.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes.

[Donald Trump]

But he certainly wasn't on his game that night. But I think I put him off his game, I think, you know, So I have a friend who was in a big golf tournament, and he played great. And his primary competitor didn't play great. And they always blamed it on the other primary competitor. He said. But nobody ever talks about the fact that I played great. Well, I mean, I had a great debate, and I think that that contributed to Joe not doing well, because Joe was all right. People saw him before the debate, and he was fine. I wouldn't say it was Winston Churchill, but he was fine. He was all right.

[Miranda Devine]

He went to a Waffle House that night.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah. I mean, so she said he had a stroke. But why would she bring him to a Waffle House if he had a straw?

[Miranda Devine]

Would your wife have allowed you to go off to a Waffle House if she thought you were having a stroke?

[Donald Trump]

Even in good times, you know. Although I would actually. It's not so bad, but. No, it was an amazing evening, actually. I walked in, he was very white, you know, did you notice the makeup or something? They hired a very expensive makeup artist who really liked white powder. Then he was on the white side because I walked in and for some reason they introduced him. So it's like a boxing match. You always introduce the champion, one that's higher rated. Well, he was the president. I wasn't. I thought I was going to be, but I wasn't. And they introduced. I was waiting to go first, and they introduced him first, which is very unusual. And when I went up, I looked at him, I said, he's so white. You know, that was the big thing. I said, what happened to him? But he didn't. It was not a good debate performance, but I think I did well. I think maybe I. I was a contributing factor to the fact that he didn't debate well. I don't know.

[Miranda Devine]

You spooked him.

[Donald Trump]

I don't know. I mean, something happened. Yeah, something happened. Strange.

[Miranda Devine]

And you've just.

[Donald Trump]

But it was a great thing because we got rid of him. Yeah. And he was way down in the polls, and we got somebody else and you got rid of Kamala and then we had Kamala. So I'm the only person that's ever beaten two people. This could only happen to me. So I have one guy and I'm killing him. It's like a fighter. You're killing a guy and they take him out and they put another fighter, said, what happened? This is a fresh fighter. And then they put Kamala there. She wasn't too good. No, she wasn't the best either.

[Miranda Devine]

And for 2028, the Democrats, who knows who they're going to feel they don't have a great candidates. But you have a cornucopia of talent.

[Donald Trump]

We have a lot of talent.

[Miranda Devine]

And you've talked about JD and Marco Rubio and I think you like, sort of.

[Donald Trump]

It's good putting them in. So they're both great. Well, I like them both and. And I like them together, you know, would be great. I don't know how you beat them. If you're together, that would be a great team. JD and Marco would be a great team. I don't know. You know, they have to agree to it. Right. We haven't touched. We still have. You know, we have a long time left. We have more than two and a half years. Substantially more than two and a half years.

[Miranda Devine]

So Marco's a lot older. Would you.

[Donald Trump]

We're not a lot older, but he's older, but 14. They're both young guys. Yeah. I mean, they're both very talented. They get along really well. I mean, I watch them all the time and I studied them as they're with each other. I find it very interesting. I sort of like politics. But I would think that JD and Marco as a team would be very hard to beat. We compare that to these low IQ people that we have on the other side. You know, Gavin Newscomb is an example. He said he's a stupid person. He said he's stupid. He said that he's. Look, I'm not going to knock dyslexia because we don't have it, but it's not ideal.

[Miranda Devine]

If you're president, why boast about it?

[Donald Trump]

Well, listen to this. He can't read a speech. He said he can't read a speech. He cannot do. I think it was the worst interview by a professional politician I've ever seen. He said he's a stupid person, but he said he's smarter than the people in the room. So then now they're going after because it happened to be a black audience. It was the most incredible thing. Smarter. He said he's stupid, but he's smarter than the people in the room. I'll be honest. There's something wrong with him. That was the worst interview I've ever seen given by a professional politician. He's a professional politician and he said he's just not a very capable person. In fact, I thought he was trying to get out of the race when he did that interview. That interview should be played over and over again. Whoever runs against him, if he's going to run, I'm not sure. I think that interview actually knocked him out of the race because they said he had terrible boards. They said. He just said. And he said, I cannot read a speech. I'm incapable of reading a speech. I never heard that before. Sometimes you're better off reading a speech. But he said he's incapable of reading a speech. I thought he was actually looking to get out of the race and I think he's not because I think he's still running.

[Miranda Devine]

I'm so interested.

[Donald Trump]

Anybody, by the way, anybody that runs against him, just get that interview and play it.

[Miranda Devine]

It's a good idea. And I was interested when you talked about how you studied Marco Rubio and JD Vance as they interact. What is their interaction and good. How do they relate?

[Donald Trump]

I study to see if they like each other. I just find it interesting, you know, it's life. It's big time stuff.

[Miranda Devine]

Do you do that with everyone in the Cabinet?

[Donald Trump]

I do it with everybody outside of the Cabinet too. I study everything. Yeah, I'm a studier. Why? Because it's interesting. Human. The human thing, the human equation. So I watch them together. They get along great. They have a good relationship. They're sort of similar in a lot of ways, but they're very talented. And I think the two of them running together as a team would be very unbeatable.

[Miranda Devine]

Now, you've just announced Bill Pulte, who's your housing finance Director, as the new Tulsi Gabbard, the new Director of National Intelligence. Do you think Tulsi Gabbard did a great job of declassifying.

[Donald Trump]

She did.

[Miranda Devine]

Information that told us a lot about the deep state coup.

[Donald Trump]

Well, it told us they're corrupt.

[Miranda Devine]

Against you.

[Donald Trump]

It told us they're corrupt. It told us that the election was rigged.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

The last election. Covid. And it talked about COVID but it talked about the rigging of the election. The election was rigged in 2020. Election was rigged. Sure as you're sitting there. You are sitting there. Yes. Yeah. But as sure as you're sitting there, it talked about How? The election and just aspects of it. No, it's a terrible thing when a country like us can have a rig. We're worse than some third world countries when it comes to elections. And that's why we have to pass the Save America Act. And what that is is very simple. It's really. You know, you say save America, it's just a term, but it's voter id, right? It's proof of citizenship. And you don't have mail in ballots. You don't send the ballots all over the place and maybe get them back.

[Miranda Devine]

It's a big priority.

[Donald Trump]

Well, now, think of it. Think of it. People get seven ballots. Some of the Democrats or Republicans, for whatever reason, tend to get none. You know, they cheat very well. If they didn't cheat, you wouldn't have them in. They do one thing that is good, they stick together. They can have a worse policy. Think of it. Men in women's sports open borders so the rest of the world can pour into your country and destroy your country again. The transgender mutilization of your children, where they can take your children out of a boy made into a girl. And this is wonderful, they say. So their policies are no good.

[Miranda Devine]

That's why they have to rig it.

[Donald Trump]

Well, they have to. No, they couldn't win otherwise. If they didn't cheat, they could not win because their policies are so bad.

[Miranda Devine]

So Bill Pulte, why did you choose him and is he going to accelerate this declassification? Yeah, what can be like? Something has to be done. You can't just expose it. So is the doj?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, he's a very talented guy. Todd's doing a very good job at doj.

[Miranda Devine]

Will he be attorney general, or have you decided?

[Donald Trump]

I think he will, yeah.

[Miranda Devine]

You haven't got someone else in mind?

[Donald Trump]

No, not Ron DeSantis. I wanted to see how he's received. You know, we put him as acting, and he's done a very good job. But I've known him a long time.

[Miranda Devine]

Someone mentioned Ron DeSantis might be in the mix to be Attorney General.

[Donald Trump]

No, Ron's very good. Ron's very good. You know, people have thought of different names. There are some good names, though. I. I had never thought. Ron never talked about, you know, he's a governor doing a good job, but Ron's good. He's a friend of mine just named an airport after me. You know, they named the Palm Beach International Airport the President Donald J. Trump.

[Miranda Devine]

Well, you use it all the time,

[Donald Trump]

so that's a great honor. You know, there are a Lot of great people, the Republican Party. We have great people.

[Miranda Devine]

So are you happy with the pace of what the Department of Justice is doing? There's so much trying to find.

[Donald Trump]

Well, much more so now than at the beginning. Yeah, they are. Yeah. There's a lot of things going on right now.

[Miranda Devine]

There's a lot of problems inside.

[Donald Trump]

Look, we had a rigged election. We can't have a rigged election. You know, we can be nice about it. We can be politically correct. Oh, I don't want to say. I used to say that a year and a half ago, the election was rigged. And the cameras would literally turn off. Yeah. And the anchor would say, sir, you're not allowed to say that. You know, now nobody ever turns off the camera because it's been proven to be rigged. Look at what happened in Georgia. Look at all the stuff that we found out. It was a rigged election. He got. Biden lost in a landslide.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

And it's, you know, to think that this could happen now because of that, we have Russia, Ukraine. That would have never happened with me. Because of that, we had open border with 25 million. In many cases, criminal, not all.

[Miranda Devine]

And sentinel deaths, everything.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah. He was the worst president. And we were laughed at all over the world. As a country, we're not left at anymore. We have the hottest country anywhere in the world.

[Miranda Devine]

So how do we.

[Donald Trump]

Successful country anywhere.

[Miranda Devine]

So someone has to be punished, though, for that. So how do you do that?

[Donald Trump]

Well, you don't have to punish them all. Yeah, I know. I'd rather not get into it, but are you confident? I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, let's see what happens. The election was rigged. We know who rigged the election. We know. We know everything now. You know, we have information that nobody thought was possible, but when you get to office, all of a sudden, people start giving you things. You know, it was a great. I'll tell you, 2024 was a great election there. That was a lot. A lot of rigging going on there, too. Because you know what? I wanted a landslide, but there were areas that were just rigged. I could see it. In other words, rigged against me.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, of course, of course. The Anti Weaponization Fund. Have you dropped that?

[Donald Trump]

No, a court ruled against it. Yeah, but. But just so you understand, these are people that have been decimated. These are people that lost their lives over nonsense where the FBI said, go in, go in. Police, go in, go into the. And they were supposed to serve five years, ten years in jail. People committed suicide. People were treated. There's never been Anything like this. What happened to those people? And these were many great people and I gave them pardons. I'm very proud to have given importance and I think they should be reimbursed for a crooked government. The government was crooked. This was the Biden group. And it's not Biden. Biden was too gone. Biden was a stupid person. He was stupid 30 years ago, long before anybody talked about, and corrupt. He's also the worst thing to ever happen to old people because I know people that are 95 years old that are 100% cheap. Gary Player, the great golfer, he's 90, he's 100%. He's the same guy I've known for 35 years. I know people in their 90s.

[Miranda Devine]

I know people just had your health thing and you're, you're 14 years younger. Cardiac health and cognition.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, they said I'm very healthy. I just, I do physicals because I just want. I think I have an obligation to do it. But I just came out with very, very good results. And I took a test, a cognitive test, and I got 100 on it. I got, as the expression goes, I aced it. And the doctors told me it's very, very few people can ace. That's actually a tough test. You know, once you get past the first half of the question. Ye, those questions get.

[Miranda Devine]

Is it a memory? What is it that. Have you got a good memory?

[Donald Trump]

I have a great memory. Look, so far, so good. Yeah, I hope I'm going to keep it that way. If I don't, you'll be the first to know. You say this interview, this isn't the same Trump. I think he's lost it.

[Miranda Devine]

Well, Scott Pelly interviewed Joe Biden in 23, just after he did that Robert. Her interview where Robert Herr said that Joe Biden couldn't be charged because he was an elderly man with crime, poor memory, and Scott Pelley covered up apparently the edit screen.

[Donald Trump]

I think Scott Pelley's got his own problems. He's terrible. Look, Scott Pelley's a stiff and he's afraid and he's part of this, you know, gang of crooked, stupid people that don't care about our country. I watched that interview. That interview was a joke. But I watch him on cnn. How about CNN where Anderson Cooper or George Stephanopoulos, who gave me $16 million because he lied about me, he gave me 16 million bucks. It was nice. He did. He said the wrong thing and we said, take it back. They wouldn't take it back. And so he was forced to pay $16 million. But I watched George Stephanopoulos, who is a tough little cookie, and I watched an interview. I've watched all these guys for years. Right. And I watched your Stephanopoulos give the softest interview that he's ever given after

[Miranda Devine]

the fk and disaster.

[Donald Trump]

The worst.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

And I was looking forward to it because he can be a very tough interview. And I said, this will be interesting. Let's see if Biden can get through this. And it's like he's giving him the answers. It's like it's a rigged system. It's crazy. And, you know, the crazy part is, why wouldn't you want to have borders? Wouldn't you want to have good education, low interest rates, a strong military, no crime. We don't want crime. These people are crazy. There's something wrong with them. And they do suffer from Trump derangements. And. Yeah, there's something I've gotten into their brain and.

[Miranda Devine]

Because you're effective.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, because I'm doing a good job. Look, we have the lowest crime numbers we've had in 125 years, despite the fact that we've taken in people from Sleepy Joe Biden's horrible administration. Now, he had some of the worst people in his Oval Office. Mean, vicious, radical left, Smart, smart, smart and stupid. Antony Blinken, stupid in many ways. Stupid, brilliant and dumb. They had a combination of both and lack of common sense, maybe, but they wanted open borders. They wanted men playing in women's sports, you know, as an example. It's such a great example, because who would want that? I had the quarterback of the New York Giants, young, handsome kid the other day, introduced me. And people criticize him. The radical left, stupid people, they criticize him. And he just sold $4 million worth of shirts.

[Miranda Devine]

Right.

[Donald Trump]

Jackson, his shirt is through the roofs. The hottest shirt there is.

[Miranda Devine]

He's a great kid.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, he's a great kid. Handsome kid. He's introduced me and I didn't think of it. He was a beautiful little introduction. Yeah. And he's a very. I think he's got a chance to be a really good quarterback, too. But he's a very young guy and he went through hell. They're going after him, the radical left lunatics. Well, and here's what. Here's what he got. He's got the number one selling shirt in the world right now. Yeah,

[Miranda Devine]

the concert that you were going to do.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Miranda Devine]

You know those musicians have fallen. Yeah, they're cowards.

[Donald Trump]

People like. No, it's not that. They get some free Publicity. Look, they're not really cowards, but I never even heard of these people.

[Miranda Devine]

Right?

[Donald Trump]

I never heard of any of them. They're boring. I don't. I don't even want them. And when I heard a couple of them canceled out, I said, cancel the whole thing. I don't want to. We're going to do a rally. Yeah, in a rally. Nobody's ever gotten crowds like I get a rally. I had 118,000 people at 1. I had. I have 25,000. 25,000 is like a small crowd.

[Miranda Devine]

And your music's great.

[Donald Trump]

The only reason I only have 25 is because we have the basketball arrangers and, like, at Madison Square Garden. I went to Madison Square Garden. Jim Dolan's the owner. He's a good guy, too. And he said he's never, ever had a crowd, like, so. The place was packed, and the crowds went down to the Hudson river and down past 5th Avenue.

[Miranda Devine]

I was there. It was incredible.

[Donald Trump]

They could have. They could have sold that out. Miranda, 10 different times, she said, I've never said anything like it. So we're going to have a rally. I told. I don't want the. I don't even know who they are. I don't know their music. I don't want to know their music. But no, a couple of them said, we don't want anything that's partisan. I said, that's okay. Go someplace.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes.

[Donald Trump]

And we're not looking to be partisan. We're celebrating the country. But we're going to do a rally, a great, beautiful rally to 250. 250 years. And it's going to be great. And I think we'll get much bigger crowds. I mean, I'm not looking to work, you know. Call yourself a good job.

[Miranda Devine]

That's right. I thought you'd be a bit busy.

[Donald Trump]

But I do get the largest rallies in the history of politics by maybe 10 times.

[Miranda Devine]

Your legacy. What do you hope people think of you?

[Donald Trump]

I would like my legacy to be good guy and all of those things that we don't have to waste a lot of time with, but that I took our country and I made it great again. This country was going down the tubes. We were a laughingstock all over the world. I took this country. And today you have the hottest country anywhere in the world, the most successful country anywhere in the world, that everybody, even President Xi. I was with him in China. He looks up to us. We had a great visit. But he has great respect for what I did. He said, you've done it so fast. I've never seen anything like it. I've taken something that was in deep trouble, and I've made us the hottest country anywhere in the world.

[Miranda Devine]

Fantastic. Thank you so much. Thanks for that, Trump.

[Donald Trump]

Thank you.

[Miranda Devine]

Well, that's it for us from the White House. Thanks for watching this episode of PodForceOne. I'm Miranda Devine. Let us know what you thought about this interview in the comments below. And don't forget to hit like and subscribe. We'll be back next week with another big interview.