Danielle with…Brandon Armstrong

Summary

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Pod Meets World: Danielle with…Brandon Armstrong

Host: Danielle Fishel
Guest: Brandon Armstrong
Date: October 31, 2025
Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of “Danielle with the Stars,” Danielle Fishel (forever Topanga to many of us) sits down with acclaimed “Dancing with the Stars” pro Brandon Armstrong. Danielle, currently a contestant on DWTS Season 34, delves into Brandon’s journey, experiences with show favoritism, social media stardom, and the nuances of competition, all while sharing personal reflections, laughs, and the realities of show business. Listeners get “everything a fan could ever want”—tears, behind-the-scenes insight, and plenty of wit from both host and guest.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Brandon’s DWTS Journey and the “Luck” Factor

Timestamp: 02:32–05:11

• Danielle introduces Brandon as a “fan favorite,” highlighting his consistent perfect scores and persistent lack of a championship win.
• Brandon recognizes the ironic “luck” he’s had on the show, referencing shock eliminations and tough breaks.
  • “I feel like I am the king of the husbands of the girls that watch Dancing with the Stars.” (Brandon, 05:47)
• Playful banter about their spouses’ fandom and Brandon’s reputation among show fans.

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2. Tackling Favoritism on DWTS

Timestamp: 06:12–10:18

• Danielle opens with a “hot button” about favoritism this season.
• Brandon considers the issue nuanced:
  • “Is it favoritism, or is he creating an opportunity for himself?” (Brandon, 07:12)
  • He equates it to LeBron James: some dancers get more attention because of skill, not just preference.
• The show as a “game”—strategy matters, and some pros play it better. He points out that music or dance style selection sometimes comes down to compromise and chance.
• Danielle shares from the celebrity side, “sometimes you get what you want, other weeks not at all,” and that it "all evens out in the wash" if you last longer.
• Both agree fans often don’t see how much is out of a pro's control.

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3. Behind the Scenes: Creative Decisions and Critique

Timestamp: 10:34–14:48

• Discussion of dance styles, song choices, and the themes each week.
• Brandon challenges internet commentators’ expertise:
  • “Susan in Connecticut told me I gotta be out of frame more. Like, what do you want us to do?” (Brandon, 11:36)
• Danielle reflects on receiving similar feedback as Brandon—sometimes judges' comments or fan feedback carry over, even when they're vague:
  • “I totally understood it.” (Danielle, 13:01)
• Both advocate for more opportunity to clarify and respond to criticism, noting the disconnect when judges influence narratives (“something’s missing”) without clarity.

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4. Navigating Fan Toxicity and Growth of the Audience

Timestamp: 17:24–20:27

• Danielle asks if the surge of passionate (and sometimes toxic) fans has been good overall.
• Brandon is pragmatic:
  • “Don’t cry when it floods when you prayed for rain. ... My livelihood is attached to the show.” (Brandon, 18:03)
  • He acknowledges occasional toxicity but says greater audience means greater opportunity—a blessing he doesn’t take lightly.
• Jokes about online "experts":
  • “That’s like me calling Einstein and being like, man, your math is wrong.” (Brandon, 20:27)

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5. Brandon’s Social Media Renaissance

Timestamp: 23:27–25:39

• Danielle praises Brandon’s TikTok content, applauding his authenticity and humor.
• Brandon credits younger cast members and his wife, Briley, for nudging him into content creation. He admits his “no-filter” personality can get him in trouble, but fans respond to his realness.
  • “The good thing about not having a filter is that... there's also not a filter.” (Danielle, 25:25)

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6. Does Dance (or Musical) Experience Matter?

Timestamp: 25:53–30:55

• Danielle pokes at the perennial debate—do “ringers” (celebs with prior experience) have an advantage?
• Brandon’s definitive answer:
  • “No. You could be the greatest singer songwriter the world has ever seen and not be able to dance a lick.” (Brandon, 26:39)
• He points out that audience connection, not dance experience, matters more—“Case in point, Alan and Ilona… Chandler and Brandon last year.”
• Danielle summarizes: “Dance experience makes you a better dancer. Does it help you win the show? No.”

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7. The Lauren Jauregui Partnership—“We Were Robbed”

Timestamp: 31:00–34:54

• Danielle and Brandon reflect on losing Lauren Jauregui too early in the season.
  • “It blows my mind that Lauren does those things and then gets dumped on by other women.” (Brandon, 32:00)
• Brandon details their planned Dedication Week routine (a moving “daddy-daughter salsa” with singing), and laments what could have been.
  • “You did get robbed of a journey. She could have developed so much.” (Brandon, 33:24)

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8. Personal Life: Love and Laughter with Briley

Timestamp: 40:28–46:54

• Danielle probes into Brandon’s relationship with wife Briley—yes, he DMed her (“What’s up?”), got ignored, her mom vouching for him led to a Cheesecake Factory date… and a (failed) deer chase to show off.
  • “Didn’t catch the deer, but did catch feelings.” (Brandon, 42:22)
• They bond over food, social media, and daily California life—and Brandon details their upcoming Tokyo trip and the challenges of balancing touring with home life.

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9. Family, Roots, and Advice

Timestamp: 46:54–51:25

• Danielle and Brandon discuss timing for starting a family, reflecting on cultural expectations and personal choice. “Early 30s is a perfect time,” Danielle reassures him.
• Brandon’s advice for Danielle on DWTS:
  • “Just enjoy it, because you’re gonna wake up one day and it’s gonna be over... really, really, really enjoy.” (Brandon, 50:53)
  • Also, “Listen to Pasha the GOAT” for best results.
• The importance of appreciating the journey, regardless of outcome.

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10. Final Banter—Body Image, Skims for Men, and Farewell

Timestamp: 52:28–55:29

• Laughter as they riff on the lack of “BBLs” among DWTS pros, dad jokes, the idea of “Skims for men,” and media representations.
  • "That’s homegrown cookies and cream, that’s all it is. I just want the record to show that.” (Brandon, 53:09)
• Danielle praises Brandon’s presence in rehearsal and his hosting/engagement with other cast members.
• Parting words of mutual admiration and gratitude.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Favoritism:
  • “Is it favoritism, or is he creating an opportunity for himself?” (Brandon, 07:12)
• On Critique:
  • “Susan in Connecticut told me I gotta be out of frame more… like, what do you want us to do?” (Brandon, 11:36)
• On Toxic Fans:
  • “Don’t cry when it floods when you prayed for rain.” (Brandon, 18:03)
  • “That’s like me calling Einstein and being like, man, your math is wrong.” (Brandon, 20:27)
• On Social Media:
  • “I like to talk a little crap and I like to be funny and I like to just say things how I like to say things. And I think it's been lucky that it's gotten on social media and people have enjoyed it.” (Brandon, 24:38)
• On “Ringers”:
  • “You could be the greatest singer songwriter the world has ever seen and not be able to dance a lick.” (Brandon, 26:39)
• On Dedication Week:
  • “Would have been dope… She was actually gonna sing the beginning of it, like, acapella to her daddy, you know, then sing it, then mic it up. Then I was gonna take it, then she was gonna do it with her dad, and then we were gonna do it together." (Brandon, 34:20)
• On Relationships:
  • “Didn’t catch the deer, but did catch feelings.” (Brandon, 42:22)
• On Advice:
  • “Just enjoy it, because you’re gonna wake up one day and it’s gonna be over... really enjoy.” (Brandon, 50:53)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Intro to Brandon’s DWTS journey & “luck”: 02:32–05:11
• Favoritism Discussion: 06:12–10:18
• Creative Decisions & Show Mechanics: 10:34–14:48
• Fan Toxicity, Internet Critics: 17:24–20:27
• Social Media Emergence: 23:27–25:39
• Dance Experience Debate: 25:53–30:55
• Lauren Jauregui Partnership: 31:00–34:54
• Love and Life with Briley: 40:28–46:54
• Family Planning Advice: 46:54–51:25
• Body Image & Skims for Men (final laughs): 52:28–55:29

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Tone & Style

Warm, candid, irreverent, and genuinely appreciative—Danielle and Brandon maintain a mix of heartfelt sincerity and signature joking. The episode is packed with joyful banter, honesty about the realities and pressures of show business, and a deep awareness of audience culture in the digital age.

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Summary prepared for listeners and fans who want the inside scoop and can’t get enough of DWTS, Brandon Armstrong, and Danielle’s reality competition adventure.

Transcript

[Brandon Armstrong]

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[Brandon Armstrong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Hello, I'm Danielle Fishel, a TV director, a podcaster, a mom of two. And yet, in my obituary, it will start with the sentence better known as Topanga from the 90s sitcom Boy Meets World. And I am totally fine with that. That actually sounds nice. But maybe, just maybe, it will also include the title Professional Ballroom Dancer. Because right now I am part of season 34 of Dancing with the Stars, giving it my all, pushing through the soreness, constantly Learning and finding time to record this here show, keeping you all abreast on my progress and emotions while I try to do the unthinkable and win the Len Goodman mirrorball trophy without any prior dance experience. And one of the goals of this podcast is to learn more by talking to pros, former contestants, and even some of my competition. Because I'm not satisfied with just dedicating 23 hours of my day to dancing, I need to make it 24. And now, thanks to the podcast, I have the honor of sitting down with a fan favorite. And by fan, I mean my husband. Boy, he loves him some Brandon. And coincidentally, so do I. He joined the show as a member of the troupe back in season 24 and was promoted to pro in season 27. And ever since, he has been handed what many in the dance industry professionally call luck. Constant perfect scores, but doesn't win at all.

[Brandon Armstrong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Brandon Armstrong]

Check.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes, he has seen it all, but it would be difficult to find a member of the Dancing with the Stars universe that fans so collectively rally behind. And that's not just because of his elite talent in the ballroom. It is also because of his new social media presence, especially on TikTok, where he has showcased one of the show's most reliable senses of humor over the past few months. So today on Danielle with the Stars, I am thrilled to welcome a man who helped put the word pissed back in the collective pop culture universe and has wowed viewers year after year. It's my husband's favorite dancer. Not named Pasha. It's Brandon Armstrong.

[Brandon Armstrong]

What an intro. What an intro.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, welcome.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And honestly, being your husband's favorite is more important to me than winning the mirror ball. I'm gonna be honest.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm like, I will never forget.

[Brandon Armstrong]

What.

[Danielle Fishel]

First of all, the first couple of weeks you and Lauren had, all my husband could talk about was how amazing Lauren was. And I was like, well, I mean, that's good.

[Brandon Armstrong]

There's three short weeks, so I'm glad that your husband didn't have to talk about it for long.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was just like. He was like, w. Wow, Lauren and Brandon. But, like, wow, Lauren and Brandon just the most. I was like, okay. Did you see. How did you. Did you see my dance? Did you see my dance? No. He is just your biggest fan.

[Brandon Armstrong]

He thinks you.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, you are. You're spectacular.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Well, thank you. Thank you. For some reason, I feel like I am, like, the king of the husbands of the girls that watch Dancing with the Stars. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, the boyfriends, the fiance. Like, when we're on tour, it's always the dudes that come out with, like, the cowboy gear on, and they're missing the game that night, but they're like, oh, B, good to see you. I'm like, hey, you know what, brother? Good to see.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know what? That's a good place to be.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'll take it. Somebody's got to do it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's love to.

[Danielle Fishel]

Absolutely. That's a good spot to. To hold.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'll take it.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm gonna come out the gate swinging a little bit with my first question because I need your opinion on one of the hot button issues from this season, and that seems to be favoritism.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

As a pro who has had some tough breaks, whether it's Jeannie's injury or Lauren's shocking elimination or some controversial weeks with Chandler, what's your take on the debate that's been happening over the past few weeks regarding favoritism?

[Brandon Armstrong]

What a big question.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. Sorry. I really.

[Brandon Armstrong]

No, no, I need your opinion. I appreciate the question, and I think you're going to be able to share some insight with this as well. Somebody who's on the show now, you've seen it from the inside and from the outside, you know?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I think the first thing that I would say is, do I think that there is favoritism? Sure. Maybe favoritism in the sense that there's pros that people like more, that the fans relate to more or celebrities that people relate to more. Do I also think that there's pros that are really good at what they do? Yes. So do you get what I'm trying to say? Sometimes it's like, does LeBron have favoritism in the NBA? Well, yeah. He's LeBron James.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Do you understand what I'm saying?

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Is it favoritism, or is he creating an opportunity for himself? I think that there's. That's a big conversation that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I mean, we could spend a lot of time talking about. I think that at the end of the day, you could consider the show a game. That's what it is. It's a game show, a reality. It's a strategy. I think there's pros that are better at that strategy than others.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And so I don't know if I would call it favoritism.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Or would I call it a pro? Taking advantage of the opportunity that they're given.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. And when you know better, you do better. So when you. When you've been on the show for a certain length of time and you've seen it and you've strategized and you've been on multiple sides and you can see it come and go. Yeah, you. You want to win, and so you do what you have to do. The other thing, I'll. I think I'll say coming from the side of being on the show this season and from the celeb side, right from the beginning, in the conversations about doing the show, when it comes to music selection, when it comes to dance styles, when it comes to name any part of the show over the course of the whole season, you will sometimes get exactly what you wanted, and other weeks you will not.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And you gotta make it work.

[Danielle Fishel]

And you have to make it work. But the idea behind it is kind of. It all evens out in the wash now if you don't make it very far into the season, you could maybe not ever have gotten what you wanted or have ever gotten your big.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Your.

[Danielle Fishel]

Your break or. And then maybe it does seem like, well, you really got handed a poop deal. Correct.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I agree, but I think. No, but I agree with you. And I also think, look, the pros are doing their best job to highlight a celebrity that has no dance experience, honestly has no clue what they're talking about when it comes to any of this. You may come in and say, I love the song Bojangle by Shmojangle.

[Danielle Fishel]

I did, right?

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yes. And we're like. And I think it'd be a great tango. And I'm like, congratulations. It's nowhere near a tango song, and.

[Danielle Fishel]

We will not be doing that.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And we won't. Or you will. Because the show's like, look, she really loves it. They're really passionate about it. Can you make it fit? And then it's our responsibility. We're trying to change the bpm and we're trying to figure this out. Trying to figure out, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just think that people, I think online, they love this conversation of like, yeah, you know, I saw this performance. It didn't do anything for me. Maybe it was the song. I'm sorry, I'm not the one sitting here bringing you this song, this tango song done to the pop song. My partner loved it. Come on. You know, like, obviously, if it was up to us, you would see I would think a lot of decisions Being made differently in some of that aspect, because. But that's not the point. It's not Brandon with the Stars. You know what I mean? Or it's not. It's not Celebrity Dancing with Brandon. I wish some network picked that show up. It would be fantastic.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll produce it. I'll get behind you.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm about to make you the richest woman on the world. You know what I'm saying? Because if it's Celebrity Dancing with Brandon, unbelievable. And I'll dance with a Different one, all 12, and you'll see me in different. You know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's not the point of the show. The point of the show is for you to come on, express yourself, dance, learn how to dance, develop how to dance.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm not responsible for all that. So I think a little grace there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes. Also, the country is very vast and diverse. We all have lots of different opinions. And sometimes I'll see people online being like, I think they should have done this song. And I'll think, okay, there would probably be a handful of people who would have also loved it.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And that handful of people are on the show. We'll do that song.

[Danielle Fishel]

We'll do that song.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We'll do that song for you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it is. It is such an intricate game every week, from the costumes to the creative to the song, to things that have to fit the theme and the packages and the.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It's.

[Danielle Fishel]

And no. And it. You can't possibly know what it's like.

[Brandon Armstrong]

No. I got a comment. I love all you. First of all, on social media. I'm newly to the social media game.

[Danielle Fishel]

So they love you.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm on my way. I love y'. All. I got a comment. Brandon, your first two dances were the same. She was, like, in frame the whole time. Well, sweetheart, I had a tango and a voxtrap, so maybe before you hit me up on that, look at it. Because by definition, you've done a lot of in frame now. Yeah, you're in frame. That's the point. And then if you don't do it, then I'm the one that has to stand in front of the judges and they get to say, hey, Brandon, we didn't love your content here. She wasn't in frame enough. Oh, I'm sorry. Susan in Connecticut told me I gotta be out of frame more. Yeah. Like, what do you want us to do? You're putting us between.

[Danielle Fishel]

That is. That's a good point too, because we also got the similar comment from Carrie Anne that our dances looked the same with the Jive and our Quick step.

[Brandon Armstrong]

How are you feeling about that too? I'm very curious to know from your side of the table.

[Danielle Fishel]

I. The second she said it, totally understood what she meant and appreciated it. And here's what I'll. Here's what I'll say. The only dance we had. So we had a foxtrot. We had a. And it was TikTok week. So I Foxtrot was Sabrina Carpenter manchild. And then Quick step and jive similar. So those two dances themselves are kind of similar.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

But what's for sure been similar is this face has been cheesing since week one when I had a tango that maybe would have been a little bit more serious. But my first week one, I was on cloud nine. America was being introduced to me on this show. My anthem song was about having overcome breast cancer the year before. I was not week one gonna come out and be stone face killer in my. In my tango. I danced a tango that was authentic to me and my story, which was important to me for people to see.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Thousand percent. So.

[Danielle Fishel]

So is she right that for in four weeks she has not seen me do stare down the barrel? She hasn't seen me take a smile off my face? Absolutely. And I can see from a viewer or a judge perspective, fair play. For four weeks. I'm not sure I felt a different side of you yet.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Fair play.

[Danielle Fishel]

So I totally understood it.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Can I ask you this? I guess sometimes to me it's like for the people at home. I think the people at home do reflect or start to mirror sometimes what they hear from the judge's desk. I don't know if you've noticed this a little bit. And so I do think that it's important that the celebrity or maybe the pro has an opportunity to maybe clarify some things like that. Because sometimes I just know from. From experience.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That sometimes, you know, let's say. Let's say a judge says, you know what? I really liked it. But I feel I got this a lot with Chandler. Okay. Okay. We love you too. You guys are obviously great dancer. She's a great dancer. She's learning. Blah, blah, blah. I feel like we're missing something. Okay, so then I feel like I'm missing something. You're like, okay, what I'm missing is what that means.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right? Right. What.

[Brandon Armstrong]

What. What does that mean? Then we go home. And then you read all these comments of people that really have no reason not to like Chandler. But now they have one reason, which is they're missing something.

[Danielle Fishel]

That just something missing.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Danielle what does that mean? You tell me what that means.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Can she tell me what. So now nobody knows what this means? And then all season, this poor girl Chandler is. And you know how hard working like a dog.

[Danielle Fishel]

I cannot even tell you.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Like a dog to chase this thing. That is. What. What are we, right?

[Danielle Fishel]

An enigma.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It's just out here, and it just exists.

[Danielle Fishel]

And there are so many things it could be.

[Brandon Armstrong]

What is it?

[Danielle Fishel]

Is it passion? Is it. Is it connection? Is it animation? What is it? If even just one little clarifying thing could help you, then go. Now I have a focus. Now we have something to legitimately work on. I know, and I did. I was really happy then that night that Pasha. Because Pasha was very upset. Of course, he should be rightfully so. It's his choreography, and he.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It's his profession.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's his profession, and he's incredible at it.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Oh.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so I was very happy then that immediately we were the first press out, the first press outlet we did. Got to ask him directly, how did you feel about that? And he answered very honestly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And I loved it.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I loved it, too. I loved it for him. I loved that he got to say his piece, because that's the other side of it is that they. We get talked to, and there really isn't the opportunity for us to say a response a thousand percent. It's like if someone. If you. You know, someone wrote something and a script and then you. You put it out there and you got to note it and judge it, but they don't ever get to defend their writing.

[Brandon Armstrong]

They don't ever have Defend yourself.

[Danielle Fishel]

You can't ever.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Another thing that happened last season, not to be harping on this. Last season, one of the judges. I got in trouble for doing a lift. I don't know if you've seen this whole.

[Danielle Fishel]

I have. And there was it like this this much far.

[Brandon Armstrong]

First of all, I lifted her off the ground.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay?

[Brandon Armstrong]

1000%, I lifted her off the ground. I have no beef with that at the point. No issue with that, Right. My issue was when she was like, oh, I warned you about this last week. I warned you about this last week.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay?

[Brandon Armstrong]

That hadn't happened. She had warned another individual, another couple about it. So all I said was me. Because you knew it wasn't you. I hadn't been warned about that. I got slaughtered online for being cocky or Brandon's too cocky or he's too confident with Chandler. He can't take criticism or this. That, whatever. I'm like, y', all, first of all, I. I mean, you've known me long. I'm like, the least like. Like, I'm just here for the good time, trying to talk a little crap. Enjoy the show. Whatever.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, I.

[Brandon Armstrong]

All I was saying was I was not the one that had been warned about this. I'm also not saying that I didn't lift. I lifted her off the floor. I don't even care about the point. Whatever.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

For me, it's the principle. Like, just don't. Do you get what I'm trying to say? But I can't respond. If we respond in any type of way, posh or whatever, then it turns into this thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm like, guys, your response of me also probably wasn't premeditated. Like, I'm now. No, you didn't go like, I'm gonna respond to. Point out to her that that's wrong. It's like a wait. Did you. You also were like, wait, when?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I don't remember that. And if I missed it, I'm so sorry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Turns out I didn't miss it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right? You were right. It wasn't you. But that wasn't so that even from that standpoint, it's like we're also stifling some of the natural reaction to things. Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It's a tough, tricky situation. It's a tricky situation after the dance to, like, that. That whole time of space is a weird.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're thirsty, you can barely breathe.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You're either ecstatic or you just absolutely.

[Danielle Fishel]

Botched and you just want to, like.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Go crawl in a hole.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh. The worst. This. There's way more fans now than it feels like ever before. New fans, young fans, passionate fans, very passionate fans, dedicated fans. Sometimes people could say a bit of toxicity.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you think overall this. Not toxicity, is a good thing, but that overall the new fan base, that in general, the swarm of people that have come to it is overall a good thing and that the ends justify the means.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Thousand percent. What's the saying? You can't. You can't. Don't cry when it floods when you prayed for rain.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You know what I'm saying?

[Danielle Fishel]

Beautiful. Yes.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm. I'm a huge component. I'm a huge advocate of somebody who I. My. I. My livelihood is attached to the show. My lifestyle is attached to the show. My artistry is attached to the show. I am a kid from middle of nowhere, Utah. Right. Middle of nowhere, Utah. And I'm going to be a thousand percent transparent. Not even somebody who. There's a million people who can dance like me. There's a million people. Everybody can dance now. Everybody's talented, everybody's trained. There's a million dancers out there that would love to be in this situation. For me to sit here and be like, it's so toxic and they're killing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That is the most in. Just disingenuous. Like, it's just not me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I love the support. I love the opportunity to be able to perform and dance and create in front of all these people that get to watch it. Right. Does that then come with people who don't like it? Absolutely. I can't cry for the flood. When I prayed for rain, I prayed for an opportunity like this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Such a great attitude.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I mean, I prayed for it. I remember this. I remember I was 20, probably 2. I had $66 to my name. Was sleeping on a mattress on the floor in Las Vegas. Dancing on the Strip. Dancing for. Not on the Strip, like a. Like, but like dancing in a show on the. That sounded.

[Danielle Fishel]

That sounded. I was like, wow. Sleeping on a mattress and dancing on the Strip.

[Brandon Armstrong]

On the Strip. That seems like it was going down to different route.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, thank you for clarifying very much.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll clarify that. In a show, professional show, nothing. Showing nothing.

[Danielle Fishel]

We just left Vegas out of this. We probably wouldn't have had all these.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But also let the people think what they want to think. Maybe I was shaking. You know what I mean? You know what?

[Danielle Fishel]

Maybe you still will.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I will. For a dollar. I'll be shaking it to make it holler. Don't play with me. So I was broke. Figured it out. You know, that's who the stars called me. I never in a million years would have dreamed that you. Fast forward seven or eight seasons later, whatever. Now I'm here, having this opportunity, sitting here doing this podcast. So I'm not going to complain about that. Do I think that there's some toxic nature that comes with it? Absolutely. I feel like we live in a country where you're allowed to have that opinion. Absolutely. So go ahead, throw it out there. I mean, I would try to ask at least be some level of respect. Sometimes it's a little crazy to me when people are. That's like me calling Einstein and being like, man, your math is wrong. Like, you know what I mean? Like, sometimes. Sometimes, like when I see these tick tocks where it's like, here's my opinion on these dances. And based off of my experience and. And they're like, I took dance in third grade.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Like, sweetheart.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's like saying you know what I mean? Like that's me going up to Serena Williams and being like, I played ping pong. What are we talking about? Yeah, like relax a little bit. But I mean, you can say what you want to say, what you want to say.

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[Danielle Fishel]

One of the show's very positive elements that has come out this season especially is your online presence, specifically your TikToks. When you were learning under Shirley Ballas, she didn't have any social media courses. So is this a new skill? How are you learning this new skill set? And you. And why are you such a natural?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm telling you, I'm still the horse and buggy compared to the Ferrari of social media. Well, this is really what happened. So we hired these young bucks, okay, Young pros, the Ezra's, the Riley's. We got like these young people in and they came in and you would have thought like it was like we were learning how to make fire.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Like we're on. I sincerely, like, we're like watching like you bang rock. Like, like this is the craziest thing. Yeah. And they're posting every day. We're seeing all this success. We're also seeing them being able to connect to an audience in just a way different way than we were able to. Like, it used to be like you had to create the most techy dance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now it's like, it's not that, it's not all that. It's. It's that and everything else. And so for me, it's like, lucky I got married to a unbelievable girl who's also talented, that, oh, I could talk about her for a million years.

[Danielle Fishel]

But so can I.

[Brandon Armstrong]

She's so good at it. And so that helped me a lot. She also, like, gave me a little bit. We were just talking actually, before we started rolling. I get nervous sometimes because I don't have the best filter and it's gotten me in trouble in the past because I really genuinely am somebody who will just say what I think. And I mean, if you have a problem with that, we can discuss the problem. Like, it's just. It is what it is. Now I realize it's probably not the best way to go about life and on social media it's definitely not the best way. So I'm learning. But look, I like to talk a little crap and I like to be funny and I like to just say things how I like to say things. And I think it's been lucky that it's gotten on social media and people have enjoyed it. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm still waiting for it to all crash down Right now.

[Danielle Fishel]

But your authenticity is what people are connecting with. The fact you are so authentic. There is. The good thing about not having a filter is that. But there's also not a filter.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's just you there. You are who you are, warts and all.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It is what it is.

[Danielle Fishel]

And. And people love that.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Like, I mean, I would hope.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. You know, people resonate.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But also, I would be really butt hurt if, like, they really hated me. I'd be like, wow, that means I'm actually who I am, and people actually hate me. But I'm hate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't like me. That would suck. You know, So, I mean, at least a few people can crack a few jokes and make a few laughs. I don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

When you look at the roster of celebrities that you have had over the past eight seasons, it's really musical. And you have partnered with a lot of contestants who might even be called ringers. Tinashe, Jordan Sparks, Lili Pons, Chandler Kinney, and Lauren Jauregi. But outside of Chandler, you have eluded the finals.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I have.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's a lot of prior dance experience debates also this season. What is your take on the prior dance experience of it all? And does musical experience translate to dancing as much as people think it does?

[Brandon Armstrong]

No. So that I can answer as white on rice. No. You could be the greatest singer songwriter the world has ever seen and not be able to dance a lick.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Right. That's my opinion.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. People just think, muse. Oh, musicality. You're gonna be great at this.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So Adele is a professional dancer. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? That she can park and bark with the best of them of all time. I don't know if she's gonna come out here and hit a slick little cha cha stuff. And if she is, tag her in it. Sweetheart, come to Dance with the stars with me. I need another one. It may take Adele for me to win the dang show, so come on through. You know? So that answer for me, no way. I don't think that that translates as far as past dance experience. This one's so tricky for me because I've had a few partners that have had it, I think now day and age. I think it matters less than people would hope. I almost think it hurts you more. Case in point, Alan and Alona. Chandler and Brandon last year.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I mean, to me, that's case in point. Alona, one of my favorite humans on the planet.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I like everything that she stands for.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I think she. You want to talk about somebody who's authentic, talented, zero dance experience. Not as good of a dancer as Chandler, of course. I mean, of course. That's like saying Chandler's as good of a rugby player as she is. That's. I mean, come on, let's just call a spade a spade here. Right. They. They beat us. Alan and Ilona beat Chandler and I. So obviously, I think that's a case of point where it doesn't really matter as much as people want.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Or want to think it does.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I think it helps me. I think I'm able to create a lot of cool things.

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But I think if people don't relate to it, they don't relate to it. So. I don't know. I mean, I think this season we. This season we have competitors that have a lot of dance experience. We have one that just went home that had an extensive.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Dance background. Huh. She went home week three. What was she going? Four.

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Four.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Four. Yeah. You're here. You don't have any.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So who cares?

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's kind of my thing is I just.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly. Whether or not it makes you a better dancer cannot be argued. Of course. Dance experience makes you a better dancer. Does it help you win the show? No. So.

[Brandon Armstrong]

No. And that's genuinely my opinion. No. I think you could look through all this past. You could look through, since I've been on the show, how many of the. The best dancers have won the show? Very few times. Maybe I'll make the argument that Charlie d' Amelio did.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Okay. But hold on. She also has 200 million followers on these platforms. She's also a sweetheart. She's also relatable.

[Danielle Fishel]

So kind of the whole package.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah. So I'm like, hold on. And I don't think they were winning it from day one. I think Mark worked really hard to develop something that was really good. I don't know. That's my opinion. I think that there's a lot of other things. I think there's areas probably where I could have done better. Like if you gave me somebody that Tinashe now, I would do way better with her now than I did then. Being completely authentic and just transparent. I didn't know how to play the game as well as I probably should have. Yeah. Now, that being said, I hate the game because why can't a girl be young, confident, beautiful, a good dancer, and go on Dancing with the Stars and show herself off and do well?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You know, like, I don't know. I think the show would be really Boring. If you had a bunch of people that sucked.

[Danielle Fishel]

100%.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Fair to say. Like, but I see that a lot online. Like, it's like, well, the point of the show is for people to develop and not to have any dance experience. Is it?

[Danielle Fishel]

It is that if you just got.

[Brandon Armstrong]

On and saw people that sucked.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Would you like to watch that?

[Danielle Fishel]

Absolutely not. No, I would not have watched.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You have to have a mixture.

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally.

[Brandon Armstrong]

My opinion.

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally. And like, you said, it is a competition. Well, you didn't say this part, but it's a competition show.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It is.

[Danielle Fishel]

You can bring all kinds of things to a competition. Great personality, large fan base, incredible dancing. Authenticity, good connection.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We're all bringing the underdog story. The develops a time.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly. You, you come. Every person is coming with their own suitcase.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Of weapons to use in the competition. And not all the weapons are going to be the same. And. And that doesn't mean you have a better or worse chance. Just depends on how you use them.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I think that's where my favoritism conversation comes back to is just because one pro is better at utilizing those weapons.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Doesn't necessarily. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Like, just because he's able to unpack the suitcase, he or she is able to unpack the suitcase a little bit faster than maybe some of these other pros. Maybe that's a skill thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Also looking at something that doesn't seem like the greatest weapon, but you know, it is. After having tons and being like, yeah, I'll take the nail file. And everyone's always like, I don't want the nail file. But you know how great the nail file comes in handy by week seven.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And then you get beat by it and people are like, oh, but he.

[Danielle Fishel]

Knew the nail file.

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[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. And that's the point of him. Wouldn't you want to be with a pro that knows that? Of course.

[Danielle Fishel]

Absolutely. Absolutely. As someone who has had a lot of incredible partners, I am going to be very sad thinking again or talking about the fact that we were robbed of you and Lauren. I wanted to see that full journey so bad. What was your partnership with her like? Because she is, like, in my opinion, she is the epitome of, like, one of the coolest people I've ever met.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I agree with you a thousand percent. I don't want to get on my high horse here or whatever, but if we could be serious for two seconds.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I want to have a daughter someday.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I want a son. I want to Have a daughter someday. I would want my daughter to be beautiful, talented, to stand up for things that she thinks are right. To stand up for things that she thinks are wrong.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Right. Be outspoken on it. Educated, pretty, all those things.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It is crazy to me that Lauren does those things and then gets dumped on by other women.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That blows my mind.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It blows my mind.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Brandon Armstrong]

What happened to this whole feminist 2025. Women don't have to. They're not second class. All that sounds so good out of your mouth until it comes time to support a woman.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Actually. Is that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So that's on my little high horse.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Defending Lawrence. That's my little high horse of that. I think she is unbelievably talented. Beautiful, stands up for the right things.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Cool as crap.

[Danielle Fishel]

Unbelievable.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Unbelievable. Yep. So this whole, like, mean girl or doesn't want to be there. Not everybody has to come out there and turn on that corny little light.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's just not her style. Totally. And if that's what you associate being interested or uninterested or rude or this or whatever, that's not her fault.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's a you thing. That's not a her thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Meaning y' all at the house. That's a y' all thing. Not a her thing. Yeah. She was, to me, the sweetest girl on the planet. Agree. I think our relationship was like that. We had mad conversations that were cool and beneficial to me outside of dancing. That helped me grow and learn and understand as an adult and as a person, you know, as a grown man. And then she worked her butt off. She was in there for every minute of the day, running it and videoing it and watching it, and I just have not enough good things to say to justify. I think she was the best. And I think that we did get robbed. Not robbed of. I'm not going to sit here and say that Lauren and I were going to be the best dancing couple in the entire competition, but you did get robbed of a journey. She could have developed so much. So much. I think we did get robbed of that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. I agree. We were all robbed of Lauren's journey. And I. It. It pains me. Is there anything you can share about something? We. You were really looking forward. Is there a week, you know, knowing the weeks, knowing some of the thoughts you had about choreography or song choices, something you were really looking forward to doing that we didn't get to see?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I actually was excited for both of our next two weeks. I was really excited for one particular. Was for Dedication. Dedication tends to be pretty heavy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

As a whole.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And I think some of the ones that stick out the best, like, I'll tell you one that stuck out the most for me this last dedication week, out of everything was Elaine.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I know.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I know. It was received weird, and there's, like, some more little discord.

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[Brandon Armstrong]

But for me, I'm like, well, hold on. It was positive.

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Tons of dancing with the other person. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, it was like a true, like, trio dance. Like, I really appreciated that. I thought Alan did great.

[Danielle Fishel]

I think Alan did such a great job.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I thought it was gangster. I really did.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, I did too.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I think Lawrence would have been along that similar line. We were going to dedicate it. We're going to basically do, like, a daddy daughter salsa. So their immigrant family, the whole situation, whatever. So we were gonna dance to, you know, the song. We were gonna do a salsa to that. Like, she was gonna be at a salsa club, and she was actually gonna sing the beginning of it, like, acapella to her daddy, you know, Then sing it, then mic it up. Then I was gonna take it. Then she was gonna do it with her dad, and then we were gonna do it together. We were gonna spin it out to the mom. Like, we were gonna do this whole.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thing about, like, I love that.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I just think, like, in a time and place right now where even that conversation. There's a lot of talk about immigrants and.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And different families and different upbringings. It would have been dope. So that. That sucks. Plus, I love salsa.

[Danielle Fishel]

Everyone's all the pro, and I could.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Have lifted her, and I would have not gotten in trouble for it. Lifts, Lifts, lifts. You can't look like me. Like, you know, I eat a cheeseburger every once in a while. Like, you know that I didn't even get a chance to lift anybody this week. You know what I mean? Like, who am I, Pasha? I ate a breakfast burrito bigger than Pasha this morning. Then. Yeah, let's. Let's be honest now. Tell the folks at the house, I'm not a little dude.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're not. You're not a little dude. Which is one of my favorite things about you. You are manly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

If I didn't get to lift nobody.

[Danielle Fishel]

You didn't get to lift anybody. I know. I also talk about this a lot. That, like, I don't know how Danny and Pasha eat so much food. And Danny goes, yeah, but you eat a lot of food, too. And I go, but nobody second guesses that like, they go, yeah, yeah, we believe it. Danielle eats. Danielle eats a lot of food. Yeah, but not them.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You look at them and you're like, they're ribbed. They should have a kid too. She's out here with her abs even.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't. I know, I know.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I made a joke the other day. I was like, I look like I never skip the gym, but I also never skip a cookie. And the only problem is everybody's like, yeah. I was like, hold on.

[Danielle Fishel]

Don't yeah me say that. Don't yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm gonna drop the ad. You show up here, you go in five minutes.

[Danielle Fishel]

The same way I don't think. People look at me and think I look out of shape. But they definitely. No one's think I'm like, I'm in shape. But I also. I will eat a cookie. I will never say no.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah. But here's the thing. I've learned this about LA too. People be like, I eat cookies. And then it's like, zero sugar, no diet this, that. I'm like, girl, no.

[Danielle Fishel]

Linda's cookies.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Come on. I smack a cookie.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

A couple of them and maybe a little ice cream on the side. Now I'll go for a run and lift a few weights.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sure.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So don't try me, but bring me a cookie too.

[Danielle Fishel]

I could not agree with you more. By the way. That I think is the secret to healthy. Healthy and non disordered eating. Cause I've definitely struggled with disordered eating in my past. And now I'm like, listen, food truly brings me, oh, so much more happiness.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Than it should for me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Joy and happiness. And I don't want to. I don't wanna remove it. I don't wanna worry about it. I don't wanna stress about it. So I'm just also going to enjoy, stay active and be as. That also brings me a lot of serotonin and joy. And then I get to have both of them. And now my life is filled with joy.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And then everything's. You're just always joyful. I did start a new diet, though. I have to talk about. There's like carnivore diet and there's like.

[Danielle Fishel]

Which Emma and Al.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, there's like a lot of these diets. I did a seafood diet. If I see food, you eat it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. Wow. Dad jokes. That was too easy.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm not even a father.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're not even a dad yet.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But not even.

[Danielle Fishel]

We got the dad joke. Pasha's really. I was thinking Pasha was the king of dad jokes.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But no, I'll zoom.

[Danielle Fishel]

You just pulled out.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Not even a daddy yet though. Relax. Now.

[Danielle Fishel]

Have you been in touch with Lauren since the elimination?

[Brandon Armstrong]

For sure.

[Danielle Fishel]

Good.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, we talked.

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[Brandon Armstrong]

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Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us?

[Brandon Armstrong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, I want to talk about Briley because I know you love her. I love her too. She is the cutest. And during my research, I found out that you two met because you slid into her DMs. Is this true?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm a modern day Romeo.

[Danielle Fishel]

What was your first message to her?

[Brandon Armstrong]

What's up? And to this day, bust my butt over it because yeah, y'. All. So look again. I don't want to do this whole thing, but I had a blue check mark on Instagram. Oh, this was before you could just buy them.

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I know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I get it now.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I would have just bought the thing and kept it moving. You know, man, if I was single today's day, I'd buy a blue check mark and I'd just be, hey, what's up?

[Danielle Fishel]

And everybody.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, what's up with my 2k followers? And I've been bougie, bougie, you trying to slide through McDonald's because I am boozy broke is a joke, but come on through. I got the blue check mark, $15 a month. That's a lot of money.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So I slid in. I said, hey, what's up? She opens it up, leaves me on red. She will. I'm looking right at you, Bradley. When you're reading this clip, you'll say it was. Oh, it was only for a few hours. It was for like two, three days. She didn't respond to me. Yeah, she called her mother and was like, yo, this kid, he says he's from Utah. Says he's on Dance with the Stars. Her mom threw me the best alley oop in the world. He's so cute. You should go out with him. He is on the show. So that's when I got the response back was when I got the cosign from the mother in law, got the co sign, took her to Cheesecake Factory. Ooh, a lot of discord from that. Also, that's a bad first date as well. I just wanted to be able to chit chat. Then I parked my car, I chased a deer, had to show her that I was athletic.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm sorry, what?

[Brandon Armstrong]

Chased a deer? There was a deer on the side of the street, parked my car. Huh. Which at the time had just bought a new little car, had a little whip, you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah, this was. You were stunting a little bit of this.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Got out the car and I had to show her that I was an athlete. So I tried to chase this. This deer because it was giving us some eyes again. Jim and cookies, you know, I had to show her that I still run. Wow. Played some sports. So chased the deer down. Didn't catch the deer, but did catch feelings.

[Danielle Fishel]

You were gonna try to. You were gonna try to catch the deer.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Suplex this thing. Just show that I was the alpha dog in this whole little area.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Never cut the deer. Never even got close to catching the deer. She probably thought I was an absolute idiot. But at least the bar was set low. Then I could only go up from there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. You know, you were like.

[Brandon Armstrong]

My dad always told me if I kept people laughing at their eyes, people laugh with their eyes shut. So I look better when I make people laugh. So I've just been slinging jokes ever since then. I'd be slinging. See, look at this right now. I could be Michael. Michael B. Jordan. I could be Michael B. Jordan sitting across from you. You don't know. Then you open the eyes, it's Brandon, you know, so different story. So, yeah, I just stood in the DMs. A few years later, here we are.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can't wait to get Briley's perspective on the chasing of the deer moment.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We'll see how accurate all that was coming out of my mouth. Who knows? But I'm sticking to that story. So it is what it is.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. While the season is going on, I have to say I am finding it impossible to believe that anyone gets to even see their loved ones.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Well, now I have nothing but time.

[Danielle Fishel]

You work from home now?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I be working from home. Working from home. That home has seen a lot of work. At home, seeing plenty of work.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, we still see. You get to come out and dance. You get to choreograph some dances. You hosted the TikTok Live last week. Did you enjoy that?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I did. And not only that, we had a lot of people watch. They got a lot of new followers. I like that stuff. I like unscripted again, being able to talk. No filter. Gotta have a filter with ABC and Disney.

[Danielle Fishel]

That part's a little harder. Yeah, it is.

[Brandon Armstrong]

A little harder. A little harder.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, you were wonderful at it.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

You interviewed Will Friedle.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I did.

[Danielle Fishel]

From Boy Meets World.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Ponds World.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes. That was very fun. So while you and Briley are living out here in la, what have become some of your go to favorite LA things to do?

[Brandon Armstrong]

Well, we eat.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Brandon Armstrong]

For her. You would never tell her.

[Danielle Fishel]

You never tell.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Never.

[Danielle Fishel]

I find it interesting.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I don't know where the food Goes, I swear on my life, that girl is a string. This mic thing is thicker than my wife's.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know she could hide behind this.

[Brandon Armstrong]

It's. She's this big. But that girl really does eat.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Really does eat. And she's from Utah. Like, born and raised from Utah, so she loves sugar.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But I just God blessed, I guess. I don't know. But we love to eat. I mean, honestly, we like to do the social media stuff. Like, we love it. Like, we like to make videos and interact with people. We love this. She's, like, not in it at all to be, like, any type of thing besides that, she just enjoys doing it and saw that I wasn't doing it. So she's like, let me make him do it and let me help him do it, and then I may as well do it on myself, you know, so. So I don't know. She's the best.

[Danielle Fishel]

You guys picking a trick every week. I look forward to it every single week.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So do I. Except that sometimes, depending on the trick, sometimes I'm like, last week was the first week that we didn't do it successfully, and it's because she had to lift me. And you want to talk about eating some cookies? I've been gone a week now. I about snapped that little girl in half.

[Danielle Fishel]

She was like, ow.

[Brandon Armstrong]

She woke up the next day, B. I said, girl, this right here weighed more than your entire existence. So relax a little bit.

[Danielle Fishel]

Pick some other.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, pick some other tricks. So we go out to eat a lot, hang out with a lot of our friends, go to movies.

[Danielle Fishel]

Great.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We're pretty. We're a pretty basic couple.

[Danielle Fishel]

And you're going to be here in LA until you leave for tour.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Leave for tour? Yeah. So we're actually going to Tokyo in between the season and tour. Have you been?

[Danielle Fishel]

Right? I have never been.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And the greatest place on the.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm dying to go. So you're going in December.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We go November. We go Thanksgiving.

[Danielle Fishel]

We leave Thanksgiving. Oh, my gosh. So you leave right after the show.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Literally. You could not. I'm going to puff into dust and I'm.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I can't believe.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I can't believe I'm on the plate our second time. We just went this summer, too, but we loved it so much we had to go back. So we're going for 11 days and then we'll come back, jump into rental apartment, jump into rehearsal, pack up the apartment, drive back to Utah, unpack all of our stuff in a storage unit, and then just tumbleweeds.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. So you guys are. So she's going to be on tour the whole time.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You know, that's in, in conversation right now. She's never has been. She's never come on tour the whole time. I want her to come on tour and do like the tour. Social media. Help some of the other pros with our social media. That's what I would love. I would love that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Such a great idea. She needs, if you're listening, she needs a job on tour. Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

She also likes to be able to float around and do her own thing, so we'll see what that ends up with. But it's for the past. Ever since we've dated, I've left and been on tour for three or four months and she's just stayed wherever we see each other. Maybe once or twice while I'm on tour. It's been brutal.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's hard to talk about long distance.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm like, I get it. I get the long distance. So it's long. But hopefully she can just come out with us. Chill out.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I don't know. We got to get a house.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We got to do something. We got to grow some roots somewhere. You guys have 31 years old.

[Danielle Fishel]

You guys have a very exciting next year. I just, I feel like 20, 26 is going to be knocking on wood. A very exciting, please prosperous, healthful, joyful, root planting, family building. I just, I really feel it.

[Brandon Armstrong]

All the above.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

How old are you when you had your first?

[Danielle Fishel]

38. So don't even get me started.

[Brandon Armstrong]

But do you feel like that is late early for you? It's great. How do you feel about that? Because she's 27 and she's having a heart attack and I'm like, baby, I think we're okay. I don't know what you.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, here's the thing. I feel like it was late, especially now that I'm 44 and I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old boy who both of them are, I mean they wake up at 6:30 in the morning and they're like, I am, yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Running the house.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my gosh. We're already this energetic and it's all day and they're into, you know, karate and into baseball and they like wrestling and I'm an active boy mom and I'm like, mommy's so old. But the truth is I would, whoever I would have had children with before I met my husband, 1,000% I would. It wouldn't. It happened of course, the way it's supposed to, but I think early 30s. It's a good age, the perfect time.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So she has what, two, three years and then we can.

[Danielle Fishel]

For sure. Two, three years. Then start, then start thinking, planning, doing the things you want to do. But I think it's the. I think it's the perfect time. You've got the financial stability.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

You've already got the house. You figured out who the village is around, you know, where are you going to live? Who's the village going to be? Because you don't want to be in a place.

[Brandon Armstrong]

No, it's not easy.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's not easy.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I mean, in Utah, by time you're 19.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

If you don't have 17 kids and 17 credit cards. I know you. Who are you?

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, you know, I have not talked about this on this show yet, but you know, my best friend growing up was Mormon. Her family, her dad was actually the bishop.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so they would let me, you know, Sundays were family days. So not days you get to hang out with friends. But I could hang out with them if I went to church with them.

[Brandon Armstrong]

If you went to church.

[Danielle Fishel]

So I used to go to. Go to church, go to church, spend the whole day.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Thousand percent.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know, I've been around it. I've been around.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So you've seen the rabbit cages. There's a lot of babies.

[Danielle Fishel]

Lots of them. And like you said, by 19 years old. Yeah. Three, four kids by mid-20s.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah. But in their head, they're so grown. Like, and now that I'm like grown and kind of remove myself from that lifestyle, like the, that just, even just being outside of physical, physical space.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Like looking back at it, I'm like, oh my goodness. And no power, no knock to it. Like if that's what your goal and your intention of life is more. It's beautiful. I see all these beautiful families. Like, it's incredible. I can't think at 31 having like 10 kids right now. I'd be like, what am I doing? I know how they did it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Finally, I am asking everyone who comes on this here podcast if you could please give me one piece of advice for my, for the rest of my time on this show so that I improve and that I have the best chances that I could have. What would your piece of advice for me be?

[Brandon Armstrong]

Mine would be two part. Number one, just to give a shout out to my boy. You have Pasha the goat.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Brandon Armstrong]

One of the most intellectual, thought out planned professionals that I know. And to me, if you wanted to define the word professional, you look it up in the dictionary. It'd be Pasha on time. Honest crap. Always just executed very high, consistent, correct. Not like this. You know, always like this. So listen to him. Number one, first and foremost. Number two, I would say, and I've talked about this a lot with Chandler in my head, my mind. You're gonna go very far. Probably all the way would be my opinion. Thank you. You're what? The show is not a no, no dance experience. You come in, you learn, you're good. You know, it's not like one of these people that you're like, they have no dance experience, but then they suck. You're kind of like, who cares? You know, you. You don't have any dance experience, but you're good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, let's. Let's settle down on the.

[Brandon Armstrong]

No, you're good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Getting better.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Getting better, but also good. Like, these routines that you're getting are full of content. They're hard. You're good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I would just remind you to make sure that you enjoy it, because you're gonna wake up one day and it's gonna be over, and you're gonna be like, well, holy crap, I just did this for 13 weeks. And then you're like, I was so focused on the. I know it's hard to enjoy it. So, like, really, really, really, really enjoy. Because I finished my freestyle last year, and I was like, there's no way it's over. And now I'm back on the season. I already got eliminated.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's already over again.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Tell you what, when it rains, it rains, and when it pours, it pours, you know, like, so just enjoy it because it's just. It's so cool. And the people love you online. Your reception's been so positive.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You're the best.

[Danielle Fishel]

We love you. I love you. We love you. Brandon loves you. We all love you.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I do love you. I wish you all would have loved me more. And I'm looking at you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Huh?

[Brandon Armstrong]

Tiffany, whoever. I don't even know what you're. I'll throw out some names.

[Danielle Fishel]

Kevin.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And if I want to get Lisa and if that's your name and you didn't vote and you didn't vote.

[Danielle Fishel]

Could have saved. Yeah, could have saved him. I wish. Didn't they used to give act more like, statistical things? Like being that they were at the bottom of the leaderboard, they needed 4 million votes.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I feel like they did.

[Danielle Fishel]

I feel like they used to do that.

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[Brandon Armstrong]

I don't know. They also used to have judges save where the judges at the very last they saved me in Kenya a few times. So I'm always a fan of the judges save.

[Danielle Fishel]

You love a good judges save.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I was out there on food stamps begging for these judges stamps. I said, Derek, please just break me off just once. That's how you did that. I put that come in my pocket, ran into the next week, girl, I was gone. I was begging for it. I had no shame in my game begging.

[Danielle Fishel]

You are one of my favorite people to talk to here at the rehearsal space on our tape days. By the way, you're live with Mark and Jan. Please do more. Please do more of these.

[Brandon Armstrong]

First of all, just while we're on the topic, who was out there saying that? Yawn or Mark? Both. Those little white boys ain't got a BBL to save their life. You could combine both cheeks. And it's my left one, so relax. Before that was crazy.

[Danielle Fishel]

How does Mark not know what a BBL is?

[Brandon Armstrong]

I agree. Yawn. Listen. Sure. No shade to yawn. Maybe English is a second language. First language. You know you're my boy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I'm gonna let you off.

[Danielle Fishel]

Mark.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Mark, come on. You know what a BBL is.

[Danielle Fishel]

Come on.

[Brandon Armstrong]

You know what it be. And you've been on a show with a lot of these women that be bouncing a bbl. So don't be sitting there acting like you don't know what it is. And just for the record, I ain't got no bbl. That's homegrown cookies and cream. That's that's all it is. I just want the record to show that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you. You know what? No one's ever accused me of having a bbl. I have a.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Should we go get one together?

[Danielle Fishel]

I would love that.

[Brandon Armstrong]

We could go to Mexico. You gotta go on a budget for me. Cheap.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm in. As long as it's as real as your tattoo.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah. Well then that is fake. Fake.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know what they make? They make like spanx with pockets for buckles for cheekage. Yeah. So let's just. Let's just give ourselves.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I need that before. You know what I mean? You want to be benching and benching. Oh, I'd be working. Oh, I need a yeet. Like. I need like some.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Brandon Armstrong]

I want it to look like a diesel trucks walking through the door. But then I want to turn to the side and disappear.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you also want to look cold?

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yeah, I would prefer a little nip in the air. Yeah. Yeah. I would think a little nip in the air is better than a flying saucer. So I'll take a little nip in the air.

[Danielle Fishel]

All right. I think we could design this, but.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Not like cutting a diamond. Now just a little.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Oh, it's cold. That's fair enough.

[Danielle Fishel]

I think we could design this and pitch this to skims.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Anybody want to spot skims?

[Danielle Fishel]

You know what? For men, but for me, for our men. I'm talking about.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Now we're being sexist. Yeah, because why y' all are being sexist.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know what? I'm not going to argue with you.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Danielle Fishel]

Absolutely.

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[Danielle Fishel]

We have the amount of contraptions we have to suck things in, pull things up, smooth things out, harden some nips.

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And you guys.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And I'm expected to do that organically.

[Danielle Fishel]

Correct.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So I can't enjoy my cookies and cream ice cream. I have to. I got to turn the AC down, my electricity bill to get my nips. It was 66 degrees in my apartment nonstop.

[Danielle Fishel]

Not fair.

[Brandon Armstrong]

That's not fair. And y' all are sexist.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

Listen, let's design it. We've partnership with you. Okay. I'm gonna produce your show. Dancing. Dancing with celebrities, with the brand.

[Brandon Armstrong]

And we gonna be cutting diamonds, girl, both ways. Money and diamonds. There's. I am with it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you so much for being here. I love you so much. I just so. I just appreciate you, and I'm so happy that you came and spent your time with me.

[Brandon Armstrong]

So good to go. Make it all the way to the end for us, huh?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Come on. Now.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm gonna do it. Thank you so much.

[Brandon Armstrong]

Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Danielle with the Stars Produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer, editor and engineer, Tara Sudbaksh. Theme song by Justin Segel. Follow us on Instagram at daniellewithstars and vote for me.

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[Brandon Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast.