Dr. Forbes Riley Meets World

Summary

Pod Meets World – “Dr. Forbes Riley Meets World” (June 8, 2026)

Podcast: Pod Meets World
Host: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong
Guest: Dr. Forbes Riley
Episode Theme: Exploring the remarkable journey of Forbes Riley—her unexpected ties to Boy Meets World, her pioneering path as an infomercial queen, her resilience, and what pitching and perseverance really look like in show business.

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Episode Overview

This special episode dives into the life and career of Dr. Forbes Riley, who, despite only voicing a character in a single episode of "Boy Meets World," has made a global impact as an infomercial icon, entrepreneur, motivational speaker, and fitness advocate. The hosts—Danielle, Will, and Ryder—dig into Forbes’ inspiring backstory, her hustles and setbacks in Hollywood, her pivot to product pitching, and the philosophy that’s guided her through major ups and downs. It’s a whirlwind journey filled with candor, laughter, hard-won wisdom, and behind-the-scenes stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Forbes Riley’s Unexpected “Boy Meets World” Connection

• Forbes appeared as a VOICE-ONLY guest star in a Season 7 episode, reading out lottery numbers on a TV broadcast—an appearance she admits was both surprising and a bit disappointing for an on-camera hopeful.
  • “You guys, I... Trust me. I was a little shocked when I got to the studio, too, going, 'You're a voiceover.'” – Forbes Riley (28:33)
• She shares that her credit as a guest star was misleading, joking that she made the cast rich and famous—“Oh, wait, one of you tore up the lottery ticket, didn’t you?” (28:50)

2. Early Life: Overcoming Adversity & Finding Purpose

• Riley paints a vivid and vulnerable picture of her childhood:
  • Dealt with jaw deformities, braces, ostracization, a traumatic family accident, and low self-esteem.
  • She credits her ability to dream big and manifest goals to these early hardships.
• Breakthrough came when she won the Miss Teenage New York pageant after a doctor offered to fix her nose, setting her on a path to the entertainment industry.
  • “All of a sudden, my eyes were bigger, my nose was cute, my braces were off. ...I went to this stupid competition...and I did. I ended up on TV with Bob Hope at 15 and a half...” — Forbes Riley (31:21)
• Reveals bullying and feeling “unseen” were foundational motivators.

3. The Acting Hustle: Stage, Screen, and Pretending to be Her Own Agent

• Riley’s initial dreams were focused on acting, but mainstream representation was challenging; she landed bit parts in films and TV, becoming especially active in theater.
• In a classic hustle move, she created a fictional manager (“Lindsay Maxwell”) and agented herself for three years—booking more work than ever as her only client.
  • “I got booked everywhere. I was my only client.” (36:51)
• Stories include acting with Christopher Reeve on Broadway, running the Laugh Factory, hosting X Games, and being ahead of her time in personal branding.

4. Breakthrough as Infomercial Queen & “Pitch” Pioneer

• Major life pivot after bad industry experiences led Forbes to become a top infomercial spokesperson through a serendipitous audition:
  • “There was a pen on the desk. It says, 'Sell me this pen.' … I looked at the camera and said… a pen like this can reach out and touch somebody’s heart.” (38:49)
• Her storytelling and authenticity let her stand out, ultimately leading to over 197 infomercials, including iconic products (Jack LaLanne’s Power Juicer, Spin Gym, etc.) and $2.5 Billion+ in sales.
  • “You’ve seen me everywhere, you just didn’t know it was me.” (39:15)
• Discusses scripted vs. live product pitches (QVC/HSN) and the unique skill of improvisational selling.
  • “There’s no script, is there?” – Will Friedle
  • “No, you pretty much...and they give you a host you don’t know...” – Forbes Riley (40:05)

5. The Birth of the Spin Gym & Reinventing Herself Again

• After tragedy and burnout, Forbes decided to only pitch products she believed in (no more “nudity in movies or crap products”). This led to her discovering the “Spin Gym” in an unlikely series of events:
  • “A guy walks in the door at 2am in the morning with one of these...In that moment...I had a vision.” – Forbes Riley (61:53)
• Despite a disastrous Discovery Channel reality show portrayal, she doubled down—mortgaging her house, betting on herself, and eventually selling 5,000 units in 34 minutes on HSN (64:53).
• This moment underscored her philosophy: “When one door closes or you get fired from a job you wanted, just look at it as a chapter that closed, not the end of the story.” (50:31)

6. Pitching as a Legacy: Teaching & Family Business

• COVID shutdowns forced another reinvention; at her daughter’s urging, Forbes began teaching pitching online:
  • “If you die with that [pitch] skill, you won’t have much of a legacy.” (69:37)
• A simple $1,000 “Pitch for a Thousand” seminar became a multi-million-dollar business with her daughter as CEO.
  • “Nine months later we're getting what's called a two comma club award because we generated a million dollars.” (71:18)

7. Body Image, Resilience, and Manifestation

• Forbes candidly discusses her lifelong struggle with weight, body image, and a traumatic past incident that colored her self-worth and relationship with success:
  • “At 15 years old, when I'm wearing a bikini, I got molested...I never even...realized that's why I was running my life the way I was.” (75:03)
• Transformed physically and mentally through her husband's bodybuilding program, competing in a competition at 64, using the experience to heal and inspire others.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Manifestation:

  • “There was a warmth and a heart to [Boy Meets World], and it was wildly disappointing that’s all I got to do. But I got a great billing...” — Forbes Riley (46:38)
  • “A goal without a consequence is just a dream.” – Forbes Riley (72:58)
  • “You should never let your past write your future.” – Forbes Riley (76:35)

• On Selling the Unsellable:

  • “If you don't like the product, don't do it. Nowadays...if you don't like something, it lives forever. Only do things that you love.” – Forbes Riley (59:02)

• On Pivots and Perseverance:

  • “My agent called and said, 'Hey, I'm going to let you go.' ...I'm like, I have two, three year old baby twins. What do you mean, you're letting me go?” (49:18)
  • “When people say to me, so Forbes, can I see a picture of your husband? ...But if you don't say 'wow', when I show him to you, I'll give you each a hundred dollars.” (68:07)
  • “We pushed all of our chips in... 34 minutes, we sold out. ...I got an apology from Mr. Steve Beers from Discovery...” (64:53)

• Hosts in Awe:

  • “Listen, I need you to know you are maybe the most interesting part of the Boy Meets World legacy.” — Will Friedle (78:43)
  • “That was a tour de force of storytelling, guys.” — Ryder Strong (80:10)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:16 – Danielle shares a personal story about discovering the sitcom list, leading into a top 50 sitcoms discussion.
• 25:22 – Danielle, Will, and Ryder introduce Forbes Riley.
• 28:00 – Forbes Riley joins, recounts her guest star (voice only) moment.
• 32:26 – Forbes describes her pageant victory and early career.
• 36:44 – Forbes on her “fake agent” hustle and how she pitched herself.
• 38:49 – The pen pitch that changed her career—birth of “pitch” as her superpower.
• 39:13 – Overview of her legendary infomercial career.
• 40:53 – Discussion of QVC/infomercial dynamics: scripted vs. unscripted sales.
• 46:30 – Story of her Boy Meets World job and how hosting/pitching eclipsed traditional acting.
• 61:25 – Losses, trauma, and making an ethical stand about only selling what she loves.
• 64:53 – Spin Gym’s rocky start and triumphant launch.
• 69:37 – Pandemic reinvention, moving to teaching pitch with her daughter.
• 72:21 – Competing in bodybuilding at age 64.
• 75:03 – Emotional acknowledgment of trauma’s influence on her life’s trajectory.
• 77:43 – Guest/host roundtable about childhood dreams, culminating in laughter.
• 78:43 – Hosts wrap up, and Forbes delivers a last note of motivation.

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Episode Tone & Language

• The episode is warm, candid, and playful, matching the banter and supportive atmosphere typical of the Pod Meets World trio—full of self-deprecating humor, honest inquiry, laughter, and moments of inspiration.
• Forbes Riley herself is energetic, honest, and unfiltered—shifting seamlessly between humor, motivational insight, and gritty storytelling.
• The hosts are clearly moved and inspired, culminating in extended praise and enthusiastic ideas for future collaborations (“Sell me this pen, Danielle!”, 82:19).

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In Summary

This episode is less about behind-the-scenes “Boy Meets World” lore and more a study in resilience, reinvention, and finding your voice—even if you’re only ever heard. Through Forbes Riley’s remarkable journey, listeners get not just some fun behind-the-scenes tidbits, but an inspiring masterclass in hustling for your dreams, selling what you believe in, and transforming adversity into strength. The interview is a celebration of not just show business, but the business of living boldly.

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Transcript

[Forbes Riley]

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[Guaranteed Human Host]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Forbes Riley]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Forbes Riley]

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[Danielle Fishel]

So, you know, when I was growing up, super quick backstory. Growing up, I had my two older brothers, and then there was a woman who we always called our sister, who grew up across the street from me, babysat me from, like the day I was born, still in our lives. So she's my sister. Her name is Jerry, and she likes to send stuff she finds if it has any sort of relation to Boy Meets World. She's a big Boy Meets World fan. So shout out Jerry. So yesterday, from the. I'm not on Facebook. I've never been on Facebook. I don't know anything about Facebook. I wouldn't know how to get on it or any of that kind of stuff. So she sent me from the original TV archive Facebook group. I guess they put together the most popular, 50 most popular sitcoms of all time.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, well, this is obviously. This is binary.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is real.

[Ryder Strong]

This is real.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is basically like.

[Forbes Riley]

This is science.

[Ryder Strong]

This is like an a people conduct.

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is very important. I'm curious if, A, if you think we made the list. B, if we did where we are.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, great question.

[Danielle Fishel]

C, what then the top 10 are? And if you can get as close to order in order of what they.

[Will Friedle]

I'll never be able to do order.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, no, no.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, first question first. Are we on the list?

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, hold on, hold on. My, my. I, my actual. Because I wish we could do this to you because I feel like you would be the one that would actually stand a chance.

[Danielle Fishel]

Again, I disagree with this list so hard.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, well, that's a hint.

[Forbes Riley]

That's a huge hint, actually.

[Ryder Strong]

So mash did not make the top 10. Okay. You know, I would say, Let me see. I'm writing this down because I want to keep track. Okay. I would say, obviously, if it's a crowd pleasing list of people. When was this produced? This was on.

[Danielle Fishel]

I got it yesterday.

[Will Friedle]

Writers starting in excel sheets.

[Ryder Strong]

Because I was thinking it was. I think if it was like, I'm

[Will Friedle]

writing this down when.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, the way you said it was 20 hours ago. It said 20 hours ago. And I got it yesterday. So figure, 48 hours ago, this went up.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, so for some reason, the way you said it or the way you said it was like the Internet archive or what did you say? Facebook. TV archive.

[Danielle Fishel]

Original TV archive. Facebook group.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, so I was thinking it was like from like early aughts or something,

[Danielle Fishel]

as I like to call.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, I think Friends and Seinfeld are competing for first place probably.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, well, wait, you want. You want to start with the top 10 as opposed to.

[Will Friedle]

So out of the top 50 best sitcoms of all time, did we make the list?

[Danielle Fishel]

Did boy make the list?

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, we made the list and we are in somewhere between 25 and 35.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, I say yes, we made the list and I think we are 47.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're both correct. We made the list and you're both very close. We're number 40.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh.

[Ryder Strong]

On the list.

[Danielle Fishel]

So now the top 10 that they gave it. Ryder, you think Friends and Seinfeld are competing for one and two?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, yeah, I think Friends and Seinfeld are competing for one and two. I think probably all in the family is going to be in the top five. I would say. Can I shoot I love Lucy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sorry.

[Ryder Strong]

I love Lucy is top. Top three.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Can I. Can I say something that I think is going to bring the whole room down?

[Danielle Fishel]

You hate TV and movies.

[Ryder Strong]

No, I don't like television.

[Will Friedle]

I don't.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't. I don't with television.

[Will Friedle]

I don't with either of you or this convo.

[Ryder Strong]

I like that you've made.

[Forbes Riley]

Feck.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't feck with.

[Will Friedle]

I don't feck with it. No, it's not for me. Thank you. I think that what is happening is that writer thinks Ryder.

[Ryder Strong]

Ah, Sony Danza. Taxi's gotta be up there.

[Danielle Fishel]

He just keeps giving him different shows by doing different.

[Will Friedle]

I think Ryder is still thinks of Facebook as being his parents generation.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

But what is actually happening is that Facebook is actually us now. It's our generation and like maybe just a little bit older than us. So I actually.

[Ryder Strong]

So you don't think old, Older shows are. They're not even.

[Will Friedle]

They're not. They're. I think like Parks and Rec are probably like.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, is that considered a sitcom?

[Will Friedle]

No, that's kind of. That's not going to be a sitcom.

[Ryder Strong]

If that is, then we're. Yeah, because the Office.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, but I don't know. But that's are. We are sitcoms multi camera or that's what camera too.

[Danielle Fishel]

Maybe one hodgepodge. It is a Hodgepodge.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I'm saying.

[Forbes Riley]

This is going to be one of

[Will Friedle]

the things that will does not agree with.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, so. Okay, well, then, yeah. Office, Parks and Rec, Modern Family. Those are pretty. Those are top 10, probably. Yeah. I didn't think. I thought of strictly multi camera audience, live studio audience kind of sitcoms, but yeah, yeah. Office, Parks and Rec. What did we just. Modern Family, Seinfeld, Friends are still in the top 10, for sure.

[Will Friedle]

Friends is. God, I'm shocked if Friends isn't number one.

[Ryder Strong]

And then you're right. I guess generationally, I Love Lucy might just get completely forgotten.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I don't even think it's on the list. Is I Love Lucy on the list?

[Danielle Fishel]

Of course.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, it is, yeah. Oh, okay. All right. So, okay, so it's some. Some olds voted in this because.

[Ryder Strong]

But also people appreciate I Love Lucy because, you know, like, the Nick at Night phenomenon, like, brought a lot of those older shows back. Less so all in the Family, I would say. All in the Family, which I was thinking would be a higher up if I was thinking older people were voting, is probably not even in the top 10.

[Danielle Fishel]

Unfortunately, I will say so far you've mentioned all in the top 10, except three.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

At some point in the conversation.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, Jesus. Cheers.

[Danielle Fishel]

Of course, now you've mentioned all, Frasier. All but one. You're missing one in the top 10 and one only.

[Will Friedle]

The one where they live together. The one where they live together.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, Brady Bunch.

[Will Friedle]

No. Suzanne Summers. They live together.

[Ryder Strong]

No. You mean Three's Company is. Three's Company is truly crap. There's no way that made. It's so bad. It's.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's a. No, no, it is a more modern sitcom.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, a more modern sitcom. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

That ran for a long time.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, how I met your mother.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nope. Same kind of vein, though.

[Ryder Strong]

Like Hybrid.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

Is it Arrested Development?

[Danielle Fishel]

It is not. Okay, do you want a hint?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

All right. The hint is it might be how our universe started if our Earth wasn't flat.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, the Big Bang Theory, of course.

[Danielle Fishel]

There you go.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, right.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you've got the top 10, but here's the order.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

They have, so science. Number one, Seinfeld.

[Will Friedle]

As being the best.

[Danielle Fishel]

As being the best.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, great.

[Danielle Fishel]

Number two, Friends.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Number three, the Office. Number four, Mash.

[Ryder Strong]

Mash didn't make it.

[Danielle Fishel]

It did. Number five, Cheers.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Number six, the Big Bang Theory. Number seven, Frasier. Number eight, all in the Family. Oh, excuse me. Strike that. Number eight, I Love Lucy.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Number nine, all in the Family. Number Ten Modern Family.

[Ryder Strong]

I feel like we got there. We got. Yeah, we covered. We were pretty close. You were.

[Danielle Fishel]

You were pretty close. There's some things I completely disagree with on this.

[Will Friedle]

Go ahead, reroute it. Reroute it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, no, no, no, no.

[Forbes Riley]

The top 10.

[Danielle Fishel]

I would. This is a completely and totally personal thing. I would not have Big Bang Theory in the top 10. But that's just a personal thing for me.

[Will Friedle]

You hate nerds.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes. Yes. They don't speak my language at all.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, I just. It just wasn't my favorite show. And so I don't think I've seen

[Ryder Strong]

a single episode of.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Of that show.

[Danielle Fishel]

But, like, they have. For instance, they have, like, the New Girl at 25 and Wonder Years at 48.

[Ryder Strong]

Wonder Years isn't even a comedy, really. I mean, I think of it as a drama.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean. Yeah. But again, for. I look at if. If they're gonna make the list for what they did for television and how amazing they were, there's no way the new new girl is 25 and wonder years is 48.

[Will Friedle]

What's 50? What barely snuck onto the list.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll give you one word, Balki.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, Perfect Stranger.

[Danielle Fishel]

Perfect Strangers. So perfect strangers is 50. Step by step is 49. 48 is the wonder years. Blackish is 47.

[Will Friedle]

Step by step in the Wonder Years are only place.

[Ryder Strong]

That seems weird to me.

[Danielle Fishel]

We're eight spots higher than Wonder Years, and we're only one better than Taxi.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

So it goes Taxi, Boy Meets World.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then the Nanny, the Dick Van Dyke Show. So they're saying we're better than the Dick Van Dyke Show. Family Matters, mad about you, that 70s show, Murphy Brown, Blackish, the Wonder, your Step by step in Perfect Strangers. So, all right, let me. I'm just gonna throw out a couple for you, and I want to see where you think, what about the Cosby Show? I mean, where is Cosby show on the list?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, I mean, I. If he hadn't been cancelled. Right. Like, you know, in an alternate universe where we did not all have awful feelings about Bill Cosby, I feel like he would have been top 10. I think it would have been top 10. I think you're probably right. I think because it was a generation to finding. Yes. And he was beloved. It's just that now no one can watch it anymore without being creeped out or worried or. Yeah. So.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so where do you think it fell on this list with all that?

[Ryder Strong]

Probably still around 30, right, Danielle?

[Will Friedle]

I was gonna say 27.

[Danielle Fishel]

20.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. I would like to point out that I thought Boy meets world was 47 and it was 40. And then I said I thought this was 27 and it was 20.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you just never comes into your head.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, just subtract seven.

[Will Friedle]

Just.

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Forbes Riley]

That's all you gotta do.

[Will Friedle]

Quiz me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Family Ties.

[Forbes Riley]

Ooh.

[Will Friedle]

Well, I was gonna say 17, but

[Ryder Strong]

now you say, but you know it's not 10. I. I was gonna say 13. 14. Somewhere in there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Are you sticking with those numbers for me?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with 16.

[Danielle Fishel]

18. Danielle, very close. Other direction. You went the other direction. How about the Jeffersons?

[Ryder Strong]

Gosh, I've never seen the Jefferson, so I don't feel like they can weigh in 42.

[Danielle Fishel]

Danielle is getting very close. You're only six off this time now, Danielle. My God. No, The Jeffersons was. Oh, I just lost it. The Jeffersons is 31. No, that's. It's always sunny. Where did the Jeffersons go? The Jeffersons left the list. There they are. 37.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

37.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Why didn't I say my 37?

[Danielle Fishel]

You should have stuck your 37. But they have Mary Tyler Moore at 38.

[Forbes Riley]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

And boy meets were 40, and we're better than the Dick Van Dyke show. So.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's obviously. Where. Where do you think Happy Days fell?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't think I made the list.

[Danielle Fishel]

Interesting.

[Will Friedle]

Well, let's see. I'm gonna go with 33.

[Danielle Fishel]

28.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Happy days.

[Ryder Strong]

28.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes. I don't hear anybody.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't hear anybody talking about Happy Days ever. Except Boy's World referenced it a lot. And then you hear the phrase jump the shark. And then maybe people know the Fonzie. But, like, I don't know anybody who's like, Fonz the Fonzarelli.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was his little trivia fact for you. It was Masharelli. But then MASH was such a big show that his nickname would have been the Mash. So they changed it to Fonzarelli before they shot the pilot. And in the pilot, by the way, he was not a leather jacket wearing guy. They gave him a regular white coat, and they didn't like it, and they threw him in a leather jacket after that. Really? Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, I have an actor friend who was in the Red Weather whose last name is Lemke.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And I had to tell him. I was like, you know, the original Minkus name was Lempke with a P. And he's like, are you kidding me? I was like, no.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

Do we've I'm assuming we've told that story on this podcast, but yeah, yeah, there was one Stuart Lemke in all of Philadelphia, so we couldn't use the name.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's science. Though. We are 40 on the list of can we find.

[Will Friedle]

I want a 50 best pod rewatch podcasts of all time.

[Ryder Strong]

There's only been 40. Probably exactly why I want it.

[Will Friedle]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, we'd probably be top 10.

[Danielle Fishel]

We'd probably be top 10.

[Forbes Riley]

The office scrubs.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm just trying to keep bumping us down the list.

[Will Friedle]

Please reach out to that scientific Facebook page and ask them to create a new list.

[Danielle Fishel]

Science.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

I mean, since we were a little kid.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. And the hardest part will always be raising the money.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

No matter how great of a script I write or how much of a cool project I come up with, something at the end of the day, movie making is expensive, guys. And you? I. I find myself constantly either in meetings or on phone calls asking for buddy.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I know. And the hardest part is that it'd be great if we all knew a bunch of billionaires, but like, most people don't want to put up the entire amount of money themselves. You need smaller chunks of money from a lot of different people. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Even the studios aren't giving you money to go there. Nobody's going, here's $15 million, go make a movie anymore. That's just not the way it works.

[Ryder Strong]

No, No. I mean, if you've noticed, like, I mean, you watch the credits before a movie now. You know, it used to be that there'd be like one company, like the studio, like Paramount logo. Now you'll notice there's usually like four or five companies, and that's because those are the companies usually putting up the money, which is why they get the right to put their logo. So, yeah, I mean, I laugh now because it's like it's just a never ending scroll of company logos that are, you know, because they're each putting in a couple million dollars or a couple hundred thousand dollars. So. Yeah, getting financing for a film is an art form unto it itself.

[Will Friedle]

Absolutely. There's so many different ways of raising money too. You can always, you know, host events, do fundraisers. We've all been to, we've all been to fundraisers and donated money to projects that have meant something to us. I mean, when I started Be Free, Be Free by Danielle Fischl is a 100% self funded venture, me and my manager went in 50, 50 financially on it and it was, it was a, it was a risk. It was like, I have no idea whether or not this is ever going to be successful, especially because the majority of businesses aren't successful.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

And you know, it's, it is a still a passion project. It's not something that I'm making a ton of money doing. I think I've, in the years since I've had the business, I think I've only taken, I've taken a paycheck, only one year out of it and the rest of the time the money is just getting reinvested back into the business and, you know, finding creative ways of spending and saving and, yeah, raising money when needed.

[Forbes Riley]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

I funded all of AddTV, which Ryder was in by myself and no one ever even saw it. So sometimes you just put money in and you hope something happens and then it doesn't. So yeah, just the way it works.

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

You know we get a decent number of guest pitches for Pod Meets World. Most are from publicists who have just added us to their rounds because we've commonly been a top 250 podcast and they're just doing a good job for their clients. We appreciate it, but we're so niche, so it's pretty rare that we connect with someone being sold as a perfect fit Niece. Sorry. Thank you. But this week we are talking to a guest who admittingly had an insanely small part on Boy Meets World. We actually only hear her voice in the season seven episode How Cory and Topanga Got Their Groove Back as a reporter on tv reading off lottery numbers that Eric predicted while sneezing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yikes.

[Will Friedle]

I mean that is pretty great. But other than maybe a quick memory of hearing Stevie Nicks once, we couldn't imagine there would be too much to talk about. Well then we read the rest of the pitch and it goes without saying we said bring her on the podcast. A one time Miss teenage New York Boy Meets World wasn't her only TV credit. Having appeared on the Practice. This trailblazing Entrepreneur, award winning TV host and queen of pitch has over $2.5 billion worth of product sales to her name. She was a pioneer of the infomercial, having 197 to her credit and having been a spokesperson for products like Jack lalanne's Power Juicer, Micro Grill, Maxi Glide, more furniture stores, and her own exercise device, the Spin Gym, which has sold over 2 million units globally. She has delivered two Ted talks and became so synonymous with selling a fit and healthy lifestyle on tv, she was elected to the National Fitness hall of Fame and Museum in 2010. I assume near your plaque will yes on TV. We weren't her only stop. She also appeared on 24 the Practice and as Stuart Scott's original co host for ESPN's the X Games. Her upcoming fourth book is called Pitch Secrets A to Z and it will help you increase your influence, impact and income in 2026. But that still leaves one question we're looking to answer on the podcast. What the was she doing On Boy Meets World. Please welcome to the podcast, the endlessly interesting Dr. Forbes. Riley.

[Forbes Riley]

Hello.

[Ryder Strong]

Hi.

[Forbes Riley]

How's everybody doing? Oh, my gosh. You have no idea how excited and happy I am to be here.

[Will Friedle]

Well, first, Dr. Riley, you aren't pranking us, right? You're not gonna yell baba booie 20 times and then hang up? You're speaking story is so surreal.

[Forbes Riley]

But, you know, the crazy thing is that my story starts, like, on your show. How crazy is that?

[Danielle Fishel]

Really unbelievable.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, did you not see the episode?

[Ryder Strong]

We just watched it.

[Will Friedle]

We saw it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

But you don't see me because, you guys, I. I. Trust me. I was a little shocked when I got to the studio, too, going, you're a voiceover. I'm like, and you're kidding. And I'm billed as a guest star, which even really pisses me off.

[Will Friedle]

I know you're a full guest star, but we just. Just hear your voice reading some lottery numbers.

[Forbes Riley]

That's how successful I was back then. And I know I made you guys really rich and famous. Oh, wait, One of you tore up the lottery ticket, didn't you?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, let's first address the elephant in the room. You had modeled and maybe dabbled a little bit in acting. But how did your voice end up on.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, no, no, let me. Danielle, let me go first. Let's go back to the very beginning. No, you were not my first. Sorry. I know you want to be, but

[Will Friedle]

I want to be your first. I just. That's the way it works.

[Forbes Riley]

I want to move over. We have a whole nother conversation. W. Come on.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is already my favorite interview we've ever done.

[Forbes Riley]

No. You know, so here's the thing really quick. I grew up as an ugly, goofy little girl. And what do I mean by that? When I was a kid, my. They. My parents are second generation immigrant from Ukraine. They sent me off to elementary school. Nobody noticed that my jaw was really deformed. My teeth went in all different directions, and so I got slapped with braces. Did you guys wear braces?

[Ryder Strong]

Avoided it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, screw all of you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sorry.

[Forbes Riley]

For, like a minute.

[Ryder Strong]

We were too busy being on tv. I'm sorry.

[Will Friedle]

Retainer. I had a retainer.

[Forbes Riley]

There you go.

[Danielle Fishel]

I had a retainer.

[Forbes Riley]

Okay. Eight years. They took a little girl for eight years and put full set of braces, headgear. But then for two of those years, they screwed a thing called a tongue thruster into my mouth. I didn't have any friends. I literally had a point to communicate. I had a. It was very awkward but it allowed me to dream really big. And I watched a whole lot of television, and I was very smart. Graduated a year early in high school and in college. And I was going to be a lawyer because ugly little girls don't do that. But the funniest thing happened. I discovered the art of manifestation when I was just 15 years old. My dad slipped. He was a printer, and he cut off the front of his hand. He spent my entire high school in a hospital. Fifteen operations, rebuilding his hand. So now you've got this ugly, goofy girl who, by the way, then got hit with a baseball bat. I had a broken nose, I had frizzy hair, I was overweight, and I had these braces.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wait, was it an accident, or did somebody literally just come up and hit you with a baseball bat?

[Forbes Riley]

No, I stared behind somebody, and I.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Forbes Riley]

Thank God. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

It's still fast.

[Forbes Riley]

My parents, again, they didn't think to fix this. It was really weird. And I'm in my dad's hospital room. My mother turns to me. She said, kiddo, we have no money for college. That was the only dream I had when I was 15. And what happened was, she said, well, there's a Miss Teenage America pageant happening. And she looked at my face and she said, that's not going to work for us. She didn't mean to be mean. She meant to protect me. My dad's doctor, though, overheard that. He turned to her and said, you know what she said? The Miss Teenage America pageant is having a scholarship to college. And my dad's doctor said, I'm going to fix your daughter's nose for free. The craziest thing. And I'm going to find this picture for you, because I always get this reaction going, oh, my God. Seriously, that happened. And so I woke up the next couple of days later, and all of a sudden, my eyes were bigger, my nose was cute, my braces were off. And I looked in the mirror, and I saw a girl that I'd always dreamed of looking at. And I said to her, we're going to enter this stupid competition. We're going to win. And I did. I went, there were 500 girls the first time. I ended up on TV with Bob Hope on NBC at 15 and a half years old, representing New York, talking like this. And it was phenomenal. And it was also devastating, because I got that. But there I am in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in 1977, with these cute little pageant girls going, y' all have the funniest accent I ever heard. I'm like, you talking about, I'm not an accent. So we talk. What's wrong with you?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

And so I didn't. I wasn't very. I understood what prejudice was. I was really hurt and devastated. Went off to college to be a lawyer. And something happened at college, and I decided, no, I've always wanted to be an actress. This is not a joke. What happened? And maybe you'll appreciate this as actors, because I don't get to talk to other actors a lot. I had auditioned for high school plays my whole life, and I got Townsperson Number three or Chorus.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

And I dreamed of being the lead, and I never, ever got there. And so, senior year, audition for as yous Like It. Shakespeare's biggest character. Right. Wait, here's a. Here's a fun photo I'm going to share with you before I get to that part of the story. Now, they took a mold of my teeth. My mother was a bit of a hoarder, so she saved the mold. 1968. I still have it, by the way. Thank you. Amazing. Ugly little girl.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, you ugly.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't see it either.

[Forbes Riley]

I promise you, if you were casting for Ugly Girl, you would have cast her. The other thing that I dealt with my whole life is I dealt with being overweight and being in our industry. I was crucified for that. Oh. So the point is, one of the fun little stories. I'm in college, and I ended up auditioning for Shakespeare's as yous Like It. I expected to get Townsperson. I didn't get it. And when I looked at the call board, my name wasn't even there. And I thought, that moment where you're like, I'm not even that. I don't even deserve this. But the irony, I looked to the sea. Who got the lead? Rosalind. And there was my name. And I walked into the acting professor, who was the director of this, and I said, all right, dude, you got to explain this to me. Why would you choose me? I had some serious bullying issues over how I looked. And he sat me down. He said, you're my ideal, Rosalind. Here's the crazy thing about Professor David Richmond. The guy looking at me, he was 100% legally blind. He's a blind Shakespearean director. He couldn't see everything that everyone else always saw. And on that belief, the show was a hit. I was really successful in this. I called my parents and said, guys, I love you, and I'm going to New York to be an actress. Silence. And I said. They said, we can't afford to help You. And I said, that's okay. I got this. I auditioned for, from Backstage magazine. I auditioned for my very first movie, one I'm sure you've all seen. It's called Splatter University.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

You were in Splatter.

[Ryder Strong]

You Splatter you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Great movie.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh my God. When you go look this up, it has its own Facebook page 30 years later. The Professor. Everyone loves my character. That movie was crazy. I didn't tell anybody about. I had the lead role and it set my path for everything. And I've done about, I don't know, 35 movies since. I did soap operas, I did commercials, I did a Broadway show with Christopher Reeve. I have stories for days about wanting to be this actress and communicate. Because when I moved to la, I ended up hosting the Laugh Factory for three years. I was the host every Friday and Saturday night. Cool. I hosted the X Games for espn.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

I just kept communicating people and people were like, my agents were really upset with me because they're like, you're all over the place. I'm like, no, I'm just communicating. You guys don't understand. I can talk. That's all I want to do is keep talking.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, you're also way ahead of your time because that's what everybody's doing now is they're doing everything. You're. They're hosting this, they're doing commercials for that.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, just a stage actor.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're your own brand. And so yeah, you were way ahead of your time with that.

[Forbes Riley]

Can I share a secret that I never really shared until recently?

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Forbes Riley]

So there was no me too movement when. Because I'm a little older than all of you. I think I'm the age of all you combined.

[Will Friedle]

Oh boy. You still have a self esteem Steam issue, it seems.

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah.

[Guaranteed Human Host]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

Well, guys, I just turned 66. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Amazing.

[Will Friedle]

And congratulations. Congratulations.

[Forbes Riley]

Older, Older, Older. And so, so I. I go to. I finally get a big agent to agree to meet with me. I'm very excited about this. I go to the hotel where the restaurant is, only we're not eating downstairs, we're meeting upstairs in his room. Cuz he ordered lunch and I didn't realize I was on the menu. And nobody understood that when they were back then. Yeah, this is in the 80s. And luckily he was shorter than I was. I'm like, dude, you got to be kidding me, right? It's not happening.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

And I left kind of unscathed, except I loved the fact going, what do I do now? How do I find. Even though I was Working. So I decided to do something crazy. And again, I'm not told this until recently because 40 years later, nobody can arrest me. But I got a piece of stationery. I created no agency called Creative Management for Artists cma. You know, I hired my own. I had a woman named Lindsay Maxwell, and Lindsay was this British woman who was enamored with Forbes Riley, and truly understood this one word, how to pitch her. And so for three years, I was my own manager. Incredible. Because I was Lindsay Maxwell.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you just made up your own management company and then put on a different voice and became your own agent?

[Forbes Riley]

And I got. I got booked everywhere. I was my only client.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my gosh.

[Danielle Fishel]

You take 10 of your own money for true that.

[Forbes Riley]

I was 15.

[Ryder Strong]

That's amazing. Put Lindsay's kids through college. Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

And there was that moment where I wish this was an actual film, because at some point, I'm on stage doing something and a producer says, I need to talk to your manager. I'm like, I'll be right back. Because it was. It was a payphone. There were no cell phones. Right. Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, no.

[Forbes Riley]

And I never shared that because I truly thought that I could get arrested for, like, impersonating somebody. Having your own business. That's not really real, but it launched an entire career. It certainly taught me the word pitch. And I was on lots of little roles everywhere. On the Practice, on Pretenders. I was on 24. I finally got on screen, but I did a lot of work. It never quite added up to a career that you knew my name. And then one day, I walk into a studio. There's a pen on the desk. It says, sell me this pen. And I did. And. But I did something different. And here's what's so crazy about it. That was 35 years ago. On Saturday, this Saturday, I'm doing a party to celebrate my book. In the book, which is full color, I have pictures of all the people that I've worked with and helped. You don't really read a book in color. And in here is Body by Jake. And I tell the story all the time about how Jake discovered me. And three weeks ago, I was in LA and I filmed Jake telling me that story. It's like meeting your mentor. Full circle moment where he said, I saw lots of people. He said, there was only one you. He said, I wanted to hire six people. I only found you. And it was because it was a pen on the table. And he said, sell me this pen. And I'm like, oh, dude, I grew up broke. I don't sell things. So I looked at the camera and I said, funny thing about pens. My mom, when I went off to college, I was 15 and a half, I was so nervous and insecure. She used to write me long hand notes and I would race to the mailbox to get them. And I realized a pen like this can reach out and touch somebody's heart. I put that down and walked away. He came out from behind the camera, grabbed my face. You're gonna make me a lot of money. And for five years, I sold health and fitness products again. Ryder, way before my time, way before TikTok 1500 products. He sold that network for $500 million. And that then infomercials happened. And I don't know if you remember, but things like the Jack Lane Juicer, Montel Williams Health Master.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

Here's why this book is because people don't remember. I did. Here's the list. 197 infomercials.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my gosh.

[Forbes Riley]

Right? You've seen me everywhere. You just didn't know it was me. And I was. Didn't make a big deal about AB and Thyroc or Abroc or Abs of Steel. Absolo Abtronics, Advocal Aerobed Age Fit, Anthony Morrison, Aqua all the way to ZMA Skincare and Zoo Books. You're like, you did all of those? Like, yeah, guys, I've generated over two and a half billion dollars and that was my day job because I suck at being a waitress.

[Ryder Strong]

Wait, okay, so how does this work? I want to know how this works. Like, they don't have a script necessarily. You just learn about the product and put you in front of the camera and say, go. Like, how does it work?

[Forbes Riley]

So there's two things. There were infomercials, which was a scripted half hour production, and then there's live QVC or hsn. You guys have never done any live at all.

[Danielle Fishel]

Danielle. Danielle's the QVC champ.

[Will Friedle]

I sell my hair care products on QVC.

[Forbes Riley]

Congratulations. My girlfriend, 15 years. And there's no script, is there?

[Will Friedle]

No, no.

[Forbes Riley]

You pretty much. And they give you a host that you don't know.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. Correct.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Forbes Riley]

And then we can talk about what it means to be on at 7am or 3am in the morning.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Forbes Riley]

That's been 35 years of my life. And it's.

[Danielle Fishel]

You motor up. Did you?

[Forbes Riley]

That sounds obscene.

[Will Friedle]

Look on the list.

[Forbes Riley]

Look, I pretty much motor up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Motor up.

[Forbes Riley]

No. What is that?

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, no, it was about. It was again, I lived in Amsterdam and one of the only Things I got at night was, was the motor up commercial. So I watch it every single night and it's how I, I literally memorized it in Dutch. So I couldn't remember if that was you or not.

[Forbes Riley]

So that's funny. No, I would have known that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Forbes Riley]

I finally created my own product. I create a thing called the Spin Jim and this has been around the world and I've done this in 18 different languages.

[Will Friedle]

So yeah, we'll talk about Spin Jim. I don't know how that's working anything out, so I'm gonna need you to sell me on it.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, girl, watch your boobs go up. I'm sorry, but it really works. No, seriously, it does. I have a crazy story. You know, I'm kind of outrageous sometimes and I'm really shy other times. Very hard to live in this head

[Will Friedle]

to writer's point. When you, when you don't have the script, when you have to do a 30 minute infomercial are you are. Do you know like where it starts and then what you have to hit in the middle and kind of where it ends.

[Forbes Riley]

So it's ironic that we've never had you guys do an infomercial because you probably should. Infomercials are scripted and the 30 minutes is broken up into 7 sec. 7 minute sections, 3 of them for 21 minutes. And it's. You definitely have a script. It's you and the co host and you, you can certainly improvise. But in between all that is a testimonial that call to action. Hey, but wait, Buy more. And you'll see that three times as well. So those are very structured. What's cool about an infomercial is you shoot it once. I shot the Jack Lane juicer one time. It aired for eight years in 80 countries and produced a billion dollars on one show.

[Danielle Fishel]

I bought one.

[Forbes Riley]

Did you really?

[Danielle Fishel]

I did. I bought. I swear to God I bought one. And the first time I had to go shopping for all the vegetables, I was like, I'm never ever doing this again.

[Will Friedle]

Cat parents, gather round. Ryder and I have some important advice to share.

[Ryder Strong]

Guys, we have to stick together. Guys, those of us with fur babies know the struggle. We understand the feeling of being ignored by our cats.

[Will Friedle]

But that's why we're here to help. Because sometimes I find myself wondering, does my cat even love me?

[Ryder Strong]

And there's only one solution to solve that. Sheba.

[Will Friedle]

You could be adored by everyone and still completely ignored by your cat.

[Ryder Strong]

It's time to feed your cat, Sheba. And go from feeling ignored to truly adored in 12 days guaranteed or your money back.

[Will Friedle]

The promised land is here. Turn things around for your feline with Sheba's menu of products, appetizers, entrees, treats, treats, and even a kitten's menu.

[Ryder Strong]

Even the pickiest eater will love their new grilled entrees.

[Will Friedle]

Just snap, peel and serve for two gourmet servings and zero messy leftovers.

[Ryder Strong]

Its protein rich formula is made with real chicken and seafood 100 complete and balanced with essential vitamins and nutrients for

[Will Friedle]

adult cats, which my bill is. But we don't call him old, we call him experienced.

[Ryder Strong]

It's made in the USA with the finest ingredients from around the world.

[Will Friedle]

No artificial flavors or preservatives. No corn, wheat or soy.

[Ryder Strong]

So even when they're licking the bowl clean, you can know you're doing the right thing.

[Will Friedle]

Treat your cats right and introduce them to the delicious delicacies of Sheba.

[Ryder Strong]

To learn more, check out sheba.com we've all been there.

[Will Friedle]

You just need 10 minutes of peace and quiet to calm your overstimulation while finishing a peanut butter cup and hiding behind the refrigerator door. Just me. Oh, okay. Well, you want to give your kids something to do, but you want it to be good content, not something that sends them into an endless loop of clips that you have to worry about 24 7. That's where lingokids comes in. It's an App for Kids 2 to 8 that focuses on pure, interactive joy. It turns their screen time into an adventure where they're exploring and playing in a safe space built just for them. You get a moment to breathe and they get an experience they're actually excited about. It's the kind of win win every parent needs. Lingokids. Everything kids love. Give your kids the play they love. And hand me that peanut butter cup. Download the Lingokids app now on your phone or tablet and it's free.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's summer vacation. And by vacation I mean I'll be barbecuing until my fingertips are numb and my belly is filled with beef.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, my summer involves a little more relaxing than that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I'm relaxed because I'm a Walmart plus member with free same day delivery on groceries, prescriptions, and more. That means I can just chill out. And more barbecue time, baby.

[Ryder Strong]

Who knew?

[Danielle Fishel]

Every Walmart plus member knows it's the secret to bringing vacation back to summer.

[Ryder Strong]

Now how about you throw a turkey

[Danielle Fishel]

burger on the grill for me, Ryder, for you, anything.

[Ryder Strong]

Ah, now that's vacation membership pays for itself.

[Danielle Fishel]

Join Walmart plus and see the difference subject to availability. $35 minimum restrictions apply.

[Will Friedle]

Can I come clean about something?

[Ryder Strong]

This feels like a trap, but go ahead.

[Will Friedle]

I absolutely cut corners doing laundry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah, Same. I don't sort by color. I sort by vibes.

[Will Friedle]

Right there's. Could wear again probably fine and legally biohazard.

[Ryder Strong]

My gym clothes straight in with my delicates. Survival of the fittest.

[Danielle Fishel]

And jeans. I mean, are we sure they even need washing?

[Will Friedle]

Meanwhile, I've got a pile of kids clothes that's been sitting near the washer for so long, it's basically a science project.

[Ryder Strong]

And this is why we need arm and hammer Deep clean.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's the powerful shortcut that forgives all your, well, questionable laundry decisions.

[Will Friedle]

Even if you forget a load or your kids find a mud puddle that just needed a belly flop, Deep clean is strong enough to handle it.

[Ryder Strong]

Made for real life stinks and stains because, let's be honest, there's no way to avoid them.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's just laundry. You shouldn't stress over it.

[Ryder Strong]

And now you don't have to.

[Will Friedle]

From the number one liquid detergent brand that tackles more loads than any other. Come clean with arm and hammer Deep clean.

[Danielle Fishel]

Number one claim based on total wash load.

[Forbes Riley]

Sold.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, I have to know, how did your voice then end up on Boy Meets World? You've. You move out. You're. You are pursuing a career in acting. You're. You're on things. Your face is on things. How did you book the Boy Meets World job?

[Forbes Riley]

It was my agent. You know, it came across her desk. I honestly, when I showed up to the set, there's a real interesting moment there. I was insanely disappointed. I really did not believe that I was not on camera. I'm like, there's no way you're just using my voice. I'm too cute. I want to hang with these guys. I love this show. And that's the funny thing about your show is that people really still love it. There was a warmth and a heart to that show, and it was wildly disappointing that that's all that I got to do. But I got a great billing, and that's what my agent, you know, back then. And I, I'm sad that I split my agents and my attention. But when this hosting thing happened, literally the birth of hosting shows, Ryan Seacrest and I had the same agent for a long time who's now the head of Sean Perry, who's the head of of Endeavor. But he was very aggressive and Sean. And Ryan was really smart. Ryan didn't want to be an actor. He just wanted to be a host. I had a really cool career as a TV host. I just didn't see myself. That was never my first love, right? So while I got offered E. Entertainment and I got offered a lot of other shows like the View and stuff, not really what I wanted to be focusing on. I wanted to be an actress. And I believed for a little, probably a little too long, that I could be the next Julia Roberts or Sandra Bullock. And I did a lot of stage work. I created some amazing characters. Here's a fun fact. I created One Woman Show. I was doing a play with Ted Lance from Love Boat. He was my director and I wrote some monologues and I showed them to him and he said, these are brilliant. I'm like, really? I didn't like my writing. And he said, no, no, no, these are brilliant. I'm going to produce this for you. Well, Lily Tomlin saw my One Woman show. And I don't know if you know, but she did a Tony Award winning show called Search for Signs of Intelligent Life. And she cast me in the roles, all 15 of them, so she could rewrite it, update it. And then she did it in LA. And I'm like, who spends two and a half hours on stage alone playing 15 characters with no set change and no costume change? I think I was as talented as I thought I was. I just couldn't get agents or whoever you needed to believe in me enough to really make that happen. So I got probably a B plus level theatrical agent, but infomercial wise, I was the king. And then my theatrical agent was like, well, you're making all this money here. I don't even need to submit you for things. I'm like, oh, so it's kind of funny. And I'll tell you the final story that I love, that you guys will appreciate this. I got the lead in a TV series, it's called Fashion House. And I played the Alexa Carrington type with all of these gorgeous models. And I was running the show and it was an hour on my network tv, the Fox affiliate thing, and it was gonna run for 65 episodes. And I crushed it. And you can watch that. I love the character. I love who she was. At the 11th hour, two things happened. One, they called me President Fox said, your name's not famous enough for us to run this entire show on. We're going to recast you. We're going to recast you with Bo Derek.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my gosh.

[Forbes Riley]

Right? That was hurtful. I mean, her name was definitely Big. She was not this tough ballsy actress that I was, that probably would have made me as an actress. And the next day my agent called and said, hey, I'm going to let you go. And I'm like, I have two, three year old baby twins. What do you mean you're let me go? He says, yeah, my son's going to take over the agency. He only wants people who are 20s. You're already in your 40s. And I'm like, but I booked the lead in a series. I mean, how often you get that carrot? And I walked out of the door and I had a moment that I'll never forget because I was mad at him. Really mad. I'm like, you know, this sucks because I'm going to move to. I know I'm going to Florida. That's where HSN is. But I don't get to act anymore, do I? And the boy, the voice was like, not now. No, that's not what your path is. And I'm like, but that's what I wanted. I've trained it. I see myself on Broadway. I see all these. That's what I wanted. And he said, no, we want you for something else. I'm like, really? And I moved out to Florida and I created a brand and I raised my twins. I crushed home shopping. I've made a million dollars in a day with this thing on home shopping. I've generated billions. I've helped in the last iteration of what I've created. We have over 150,000 students who are now getting their message out. They're living better lives. They're feeding their families because they know how to sell and pitch what they do. And if I get to act, I did a movie last year. I played a bad girl, the bad girl, really bad, in a action western called Black Creek. And there's opportunities if I want to continue to maybe come back to that. And I'm certainly a character right now, but I was a little heartbroken. However, I have this story to tell that when one door closes or you get fired from a job you wanted, just look at it as a chapter that closed, not the end of the story.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. So once you did your first infomercial, did anyone. Did they just keep offering them to you or did you have to audition for a few of them?

[Forbes Riley]

You know, that was the crazy thing because I'd been doing Body by Jake and back then it was the Wild west, by the way, like it is right now with Tick Tock Shop. I did one video. I don't know, have you guys seen the School of hard knocks. Oh, please write this down. And check this out. Thus, because he probably should connect to you guys as well. I did one video with him. It got 21 million views on Tick Tock. That just changed my life again. And so if I go back there, it was not. I didn't. Because five years with Jake. People in the cable industry all knew who I was when infomercials launched and I did my first one, I didn't even. It was bizarre. You walk into a commercial audition. You've all done commercials, right?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

You get that. Hi. That tastes good. I suck at that stuff. It's so phony for me. I know I could not be the progressive girl. I couldn't. I just could never nail that. That little short thing. I read this script and it's in the book, the story of this. And it was a five page commercial script. And I thought, I don't understand. And I'm reading and it's a really cute banter between a guy and a girl. And I grabbed a guy in the lobby who has got this kind of mopish Beatles look about him. He was from Canada. He was the newsman. And I said, read this with me. And we did. And I said, I think this isn't as much about the words as it is about the chemistry. We go in and we book. That was my very first one. That show paid me more money than my entire career all put together. Because you would get back end residuals. Not like movies and TV that have to go through a union. I got a percentage of sales, $100 million product, and you've got 1%, you don't work again. And all of a sudden I learned to negotiate. It catapulted me into a world that was very unique. And also these things ran all the time. My second commercial, main commercial was for a commodities book. This Guy had analyzed 200 years. Imagine this now with AI, 200 years of trading, created a book that guaranteed that 80% of the time, if you did exactly what he said, you'd make money $250 million. This thing was on your TV every other commercial. And all of a sudden people like, we want that girl. We want that girl. And I didn't have to audition again.

[Danielle Fishel]

So wait, you said something really interesting.

[Will Friedle]

Do you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you normally get a piece of the product that you're selling for these infomercials?

[Forbes Riley]

Only if you're a good negotiator, really.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you're. Yeah, I mean, you're. Then basically you own part of the product in A way. I mean, you're.

[Forbes Riley]

For as long as the infomercial runs, you get paid on a percentage of sales. You don't own equity in the company, which is a different negotiation.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Forbes Riley]

And I will tell you, I blew a really big negotiation. Kevin Harrington from Shark Tank was just interviewing with me, and we both had this Celsius deal, and the deal was 100,000 shares of Celsius. Now you might want to do the math on this, guys. Yeah, it was 10 cents a share. When they'd offered it to me, Evan took the deal. I did not. Because my ex partner at the time said, oh, there's a big tax liability. It's not going anywhere. Don't worry about it. That stock is now worth $450 a share.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow.

[Forbes Riley]

Some you win, some you lose, right?

[Will Friedle]

For sure. Cat parents, gather round. Ryder and I have some important advice to share.

[Ryder Strong]

Guys. We have to stick together, guys. Those of us with fur babies know the struggle. We understand the feeling of being ignored by our cats.

[Will Friedle]

But that's why we're here to help. Because sometimes I find myself wondering, does my cat even love me?

[Ryder Strong]

And there's only one solution to solve that. Sheba.

[Will Friedle]

You could be adored by everyone and still completely ignored by your cat.

[Ryder Strong]

It's time to feed your cat Sheba and go from feeling ignored to truly adored in 12 days, guaranteed or your money back.

[Will Friedle]

The promised land is here. Turn things around for your feline with Sheba's menu of products, appetizers, entrees, treats, and even a kitten's menu.

[Ryder Strong]

Even the pickiest eater will love their new grilled entrees.

[Will Friedle]

Just snap, peel and serve for two gourmet servings and zero messy leftovers.

[Ryder Strong]

Its protein rich formula is made with real chicken and seafood, 100% complete and balanced with essential vitamins and nutrients for

[Will Friedle]

adult cats, which my bill is. But we don't call him old, we call him experienced.

[Ryder Strong]

It's made in the USA with the finest ingredients from around the world.

[Will Friedle]

No artificial flavors or preservatives. No corn, wheat or soy.

[Ryder Strong]

So even when they're licking the bowl clean, you can know you're doing the right thing.

[Will Friedle]

Treat your cats right and introduce them to the delicious delicacies of Sheba.

[Ryder Strong]

To learn more, check out sheba.com youm

[Will Friedle]

know that moment when your kid asks for your phone and you're already bracing yourself for whatever random video they'll disappear into? That's why I started handing them lingokids instead. It's still screen time, but not that kind of screen time. With Lingokids. They're actually playing, singing, tapping, exploring stories they're learning without the need to complain about it. And I love that it's colorful, high energy, and designed so kids stay curious instead of just turning into media zombies. They think they're getting a treat, but I know I'm giving them something special built just for them. Lingokids. Everything kids love. Download the Lingokids app now on your phone or tablet. It's free.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's summer vacation. And by vacation I mean I'll be barbecuing until my fingertips are numb and my belly is filled with bees.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, my summer involves a little more relaxing than that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I'm relaxed because I'm a Walmart plus member. With free same day delivery on groceries, prescriptions and more. That means I can just chill out and more barbecue time, baby.

[Ryder Strong]

Who knew?

[Danielle Fishel]

Every Walmart plus member knows it's the secret to bringing vacation back to summer.

[Ryder Strong]

Now how about you throw a turkey

[Danielle Fishel]

burger on the grill for me, Ryder, for you, anything.

[Ryder Strong]

Ah, now that's vacation.

[Danielle Fishel]

Membership pays for itself.

[Ryder Strong]

Join Walmart plus and see the difference.

[Danielle Fishel]

Subject to availability. $35 minimum restrictions apply.

[Will Friedle]

Can I come clean about something?

[Ryder Strong]

This feels like a trap, but go ahead.

[Will Friedle]

I absolutely cut corners doing laundry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh yeah, same. I don't sort by color, I sort by vibes.

[Will Friedle]

Right there's could wear again probably fine and legally biohazard.

[Ryder Strong]

My gym clothes straight in with my delicates, survival of the fittest and jeans.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, are we sure they even need washing?

[Will Friedle]

Meanwhile, I've got a pile of kids clothes that's been sitting near the washer for so long, it's basically a science project.

[Ryder Strong]

And this is why we need arm and Hammer Deep clean.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's the powerful shortcut that forgives all your, well, questionable laundry decisions.

[Will Friedle]

Even if you forget a load or your kids find a mud puddle that just needed a belly flop, Deep clean is strong enough to handle it.

[Ryder Strong]

Made for real life stinks and stains because let's be honest, there's no way to avoid them.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's just laundry. You shouldn't stress over it.

[Ryder Strong]

And now you don't have to.

[Will Friedle]

From the number one liquid detergent brand that tackles more loads than any other. Come clean with arm and hammer Deep

[Danielle Fishel]

clean number one claim based on total wash loads sold.

[Ryder Strong]

I want to know, and I don't think you probably can't actually be specific about the product unless maybe it's completely out of business. But I want to know a time when you hated something that you were pitching or you just thought it was the dumbest product in the world. How do you deal with that? Like, what do you do?

[Forbes Riley]

Okay. Most of the products I really liked every once in a while. I hated one the very first time I went to qvc. Danielle, I don't know what your experience was, but I'd been doing live to tape on Body by Jake and infomercials, and I'm pretty good with cameras. I was given a product called Biodepolis. I don't know what the hell that means. Don't do a product whose name is.

[Ryder Strong]

The name is horrible.

[Forbes Riley]

No, no, no. It gets better.

[Ryder Strong]

Sounds like a disease you catch.

[Will Friedle]

All right?

[Forbes Riley]

It does. It retards the growth of your hair. And I'm like, it makes it. People thought, I know, you're not supposed to say these words anymore, right? But it doesn't stop the growth. And I'm like, I can't say the word on television and not, like, giggle. So I get to qvc and there's. It's a big, big thing with, like, seven cameras and no camera operators. Everything's automatic. And I'm like, the host. I don't know her. She doesn't know me. And I'm like, hi. Where am I looking? What am I doing? And I left that moment, and I'm like, I'm never doing that again. That's. That was horrible. About six months later, I get a phone call going, hey, we know that you do this whole fitness thing. I'm like, yeah, I do fitness on. He's like, well, we got an elliptical trainer. It's on qvc. I said, just stop right there. I'm not doing that again. So, no, no, let me show you something. The girl goes there. She does it seven, six times a year. She makes $70,000. And I'm like, six divided by 70? Screw that. I'm going to QVC, right? And I show up and I have this crazy affinity. My first year, I generated $210,000 with a product I did like. Yeah, so you got it. If you don't like the product, don't do it. Nowadays, your reputation, and with YouTube, if you don't like something, it lives forever. Only do things that you love.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why would you not want your hair to grow?

[Will Friedle]

I know. I'm trying to understand.

[Forbes Riley]

On your legs, not on your head.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, that makes more sense.

[Forbes Riley]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm like, what, like your back hair?

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, gotcha. Okay.

[Will Friedle]

I'm like, why?

[Forbes Riley]

Is it for bald men only?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Why would you not want your hair

[Will Friedle]

like, you know all those women that are like, too much hair, it just keeps coming. It's just so thick and voluminous. I wish it would stop growing.

[Ryder Strong]

I must part the growth of this hair.

[Forbes Riley]

Where were you guys when I needed you?

[Will Friedle]

So where does the idea of you having your own product. When does that idea come into play?

[Forbes Riley]

I love you. God, that's like the best segue we're gonna have to do. I have to do this again. So I did something writer to your. To you. By the way, my son's name is Riker. It's kind of cool. To. To your point. I made a decision. I'd had my two kids, and I raised a little boy from South Central who's a little darker than my jacket. And he was best man at my wedding. I love Mr. Dexter. And six months after my babies were born, I was living in Van Nuys. He was walking from a haircut to church, and he was gunned down. And my wedding photo was sadly on the COVID of the LA Times. You don't want that. And I had a very kind of come to Jesus moment where I said, Look, Ms. Forbes, right here, you're not selling anything you don't love anymore. No more nudity in movies. And I'm not joking, I did one or two of those. You'll have to find out which one those are on IMDb.

[Danielle Fishel]

Is it Squish University or whatever?

[Ryder Strong]

Splatter. Splatter you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Splatter you. Okay.

[Forbes Riley]

You and I need to go do Squish University. How do you deal with him? Seriously?

[Will Friedle]

He's the best.

[Forbes Riley]

No, it was not. I've done a lot of films, and I start in two films later that, you know, the love scene. If you're the lead in a movie, that's what they want you to do. And I said, I'm not doing that anymore. And I'm never going to sell a product I don't love with that. The phone rings because the universe has a funny sense of humor. And they said, hey, would you? Also said, I'm not going to go to London. I made 48 trips to London because QVC over there made me a whole lot of money.

[Will Friedle]

Money, okay?

[Forbes Riley]

But I was leaving my babies, and you have to make some decisions in life. But the phone rings and say, look, we cannot. We're offering you a Today's Special. You can generate about a hundred thousand dollars in one day. We're talking serious money. And. But you got to. It's a treadmill. It's a manual treadmill. And I said, yes, Then the treadmill shows up and it's a piece of crap. And I put this together, and I'm like, all right, you got a lot of integrity here. You can't say no to them. You're going to do this one last time. But this sucks. You made a promise to yourself. So I fly all the way over to London. It starts at midnight, and you're on for 24 hours. First time the show ever doesn't work. It's terrible. I can't. I'm not doing good. I go back on at 1am we're still not doing good. And now I find myself on my knees in my green room. It was the green room, and I didn't have my own saying. I got two kids. I've lost my parents. Both of my parents died right before my kids are born. Dexter's gone. My marriage is not working. I don't know what to do. And then, as if on cue, a guy walks in the door at 2am in the morning with one of these. It's kind of something like this. It's in silver, and it's kind of like this. And I said, what's that? He said, oh, it's an office de stressor. And I pulled on it and I said, well, that. That doesn't do anything. That's really stupid. And I gave it back to him. He goes on tv, I'm watching the green room, and he's sells a bunch of them. And I'm like, comes back, it's 3:00am and I'm like, I don't get it. What is this? He said, you just wind it up like this and you give it a tug. Now, I'm going to send one to you guys. Let me share something with you. The moment you tug this thing, your entire body vibrates. This thing spins at 125,000 rpm. It's not in resistance band. It's not anything you've ever seen before. And I looked at this, and I swear to God. And I'm going to do this on my kid's life. I had a vision. I saw me doing all of these things with this thing, and I'm like, how do I get this? He said, I'll give you this one. I said, no, no, no. What's. What's the company? And I never asked a question like that before in my life. I was a hired actress, spokesperson. What did I know? He said, well, the company's not doing great. I've sold 100,000 in the last five years. He said, I'm a corporate magician, and I want to go back to this. You want to get chills. My dad was a magician my whole life, and he's been gone at this point. And I'm like. He said. He said, I'll tell you what. Like what? He said, I'll not only give you this, but I'll give you my entire company. If you can sell 25,000 in the first year and then give me a small percentage, it's yours. I go home now. I'm a former dancer and a Pilates instructor, and I downloaded all these. Oh, my God. This is for your triceps. This is for your. Oh, you can punch. You can do your abs. You can do your butt. You can. I'm like, downloading everything. I'm writing all of these things, and it's magnificent. And then a TV series called Discovery found me and said, hey, we want to do this reality show with you. We're going to put your product on there. We spent five months filming, like, oh, my God, this is like Nirvana. I finally made it right? And I pour my heart out. I'm like, suzanne Somers is to thighmaster as Forbes Riley is to spin Jim.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

And I'm having the time of my life until it airs on Discovery. I have all my friends watching this big TV screen, and apparently they were doing a reality show and I was doing my life. The two didn't combine. They decided to make me look really bad. In fact, at one moment during the filming, they said to me, because I made a deal with this guy, that I would never sell it until I got all the rights for less than $19.99. Not a big deal, right? So I'm reading the prompter while they're filming this reality show, and I'm like, for the chest, it's the best. 29.99 for the chest is the best. 1999. But, guys, I can't say 999. I'm not allowed to do that. The reality cameras go, what do you mean you can't do 999? And I'm like, well, I can't. I can't. Then they said they brought me a plastic version of this. And I said, I would never put my name on a piece of cheap plastic crap that you're selling for 9.99. Edit, edit. You know what America saw. I would never sell anything for 9.99. I didn't say that. They. They did that a lot throughout the show. Like, I don't need any help to look bad. And they really went full force on me that night. Spin Jim was the number one Google word. I was. My name was the number three. And it was not good comments like that greedy witch. I would be happy to sell anything for 999. And I'm like, oh my God, what? What just happened here? Five months I'm dreaming of this moment and it crashed. My ex husband, he's in bed with me at the moment. He turns, what are you going to do now? I'm like, I'm going to sell Spin Jims. He said, well, nobody wants it. I said, they're wrong. He said, well, they can't all be wrong. I said, but they are. And I said. He said, but you need money. I said, then mortgage this house. Mortgage my kids education fund. You don't understand. This is our future. This is our life. I saw it. I'm making this happen. And he did. We pushed all of our chips in and then it's a little bit longer. But at some point, I launched on January 10, 2010, and very reluctantly, HSN bought 5,000 units. 34 minutes, we sold out. And I then went on to do A Million Dollar Day. And at the end of the day, I was right. I got an apology from Mr. Steve Beers, who was the guy behind Discovery. He said we were making reality TV and you would just leave the object of our, you know, ridicule.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

And then you took over the company of the spin. Then you, he, he kept his word and you got wow.

[Forbes Riley]

Well, I didn't. Ironically, I created my own company. I got the entire product. I got all the ip, I created my own patent. I've gone full force on this. But here's what's interesting. 2010, right? Or 20. Sorry, 20. We're all having a moment. I'm a big manifester. Okay. So when I left my husband and I said, I want someone who looks like he walked off the COVID of a romance novel to be my next man. Just happened to say that, right?

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's so few of us out there.

[Forbes Riley]

I adore you. You know, I would keep him around too, so. And it's pretty funny because I found him because he ended up being a fitness model for Spin Jim, kind of ironically. But I put that out to the world that that's what I wanted. And when people say to me, so Forbes, can I see a picture of your husband? I simply say, yes. But. But if you don't say wow, when I show him to you, I'll give you each a hundred dollars.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, that seems fair. Seems fair.

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah. I know, right? So hang on one quick second and see if I can share my screen. That is my husband, Jesus.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

Wow. I was really thinking, like, I'm not gonna say wow, but I absolutely. He said wow.

[Ryder Strong]

It looks like AI generated it does.

[Danielle Fishel]

It looks fake.

[Ryder Strong]

He man.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my God.

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah. No, he is that guy. And now here's the crazy thing. So 2010, he gets 20. He gets a really bad motorcycle accident.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, no.

[Forbes Riley]

And he loses it all. He then builds it all back because he's going to go on and become everything he wanted to be in terms of Mr. Universe and other things, but he had to build that body back.

[Will Friedle]

So now it all with the Spin Gym.

[Forbes Riley]

No, no, but he does love the Spin Gym. And that's the crazy thing is he does promote it and talk about it all the time. But no, I'm not gonna lie to you. This man builds muscle through a routine that he created. And I don't know if we're gonna have time for this, but last year I ended up in. At 64 in a bodybuilding competition for the first time. He. I ended up losing 35 pounds, 15 body fat and got a medal after a really bad car accident with him. I. I got stories for days, guys.

[Will Friedle]

Oh my gosh. I want to know about a bodybuilding competition's on my, on my.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thing heavier and lifting more. And I literally, to my wife last night was like, I might actually start bodybuilding. Like, I literally just said that. That's so cool.

[Forbes Riley]

I will tell you, I will show you that photo, but I'm gonna backtrack really quick to. To 2020. So what happened was everything shut down. I was really sad about him, but it's funny because Clubhouse happened. Were you guys on Clubhouse at all? No. Yeah, it was an audio only app and I ended up with 60,000 real followers that would listen to me over and over again. And it was an amazing way to start a new business. And my daughter came downstairs and she said, you know What? She was 17 at the time. And she said, mom, I've been building websites for your friends and I know you don't know that. I'm like, excuse me. She had like Joe Theisman and Les Brown and I have a bank account that I think you need to know. So she showed me her bank account of seven figure, six figures. Sorry, it was a hundred thousand dollars and she's 17. I'm like, where did you get that money? Said, mom, I've been building businesses and here's what I'd like to do with us Spin Jim is not going to work right now because it manufactures in China. You should teach pitching. You should teach what you know. You've got a skill and if you die with that, you won't have much of a legacy. And I'd like to help you build that. So we sat in a room, we created a whole training and the next thing you know we go online. I have 25 people in a room on a this thing called Zoom that nobody knew about in 2020. And she says I had, I'd always had zero in the bank account for that. I had 25 people and I had a thousand dollar concept that I could teach you to pitch for a thousand dollars. And you spend four weeks with me. I open up our screen the next morning and it says something and I call McKenna. I said, hey, what does the K stand for? So what do you mean mom? I said, we earned 25K. Said mom, last night you made $25,000. I'm like, I did what? Said everybody in the room bought your stuff. And I'm like, oh, you got me. And that's how this whole business started of pitching. And I did that four times in a row. Four times. 25,000 is a hundred thousand. That's a six figure business. And this little girl promised me that if I worked with her and I gave up Spinchin for a little while, she'd make me a million dollars. Nine months later we're getting what's called a two comma club award because we generated a million dollars. Now that little 23 year old is the CEO of our company and she's generating a million dollars a month. Oh my gosh, talk about. So if you go back to the where I'm standing outside my agent's office cursing him out that I'm not an actor. Yeah, I don't know many actors who are working with their family. My husband and I, he's a videographer, we work together, we own a TV studio out here and we're generating more money in one month than my father did in his entire working career.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's crazy.

[Forbes Riley]

And so I'm grateful to however this all panned out and then the. So that's what then that's why we're here because I'm talking about pitching. But if you're serious about wanting to bodybuilding competition. Wait, no wait. This is how I started. You got to look at this before the accident. That's whoop. That was my body. I mean, took a picture of me in the mirror.

[Will Friedle]

Now look damn good.

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah, but yeah Fluffy. I look like a fluffy 60 year old.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Forbes Riley]

All right. Nine months later, guys, I'm 99 days and I did a little bit film about this. I turned into this wow. And I'm on stage and I'm competing and I won a medal. I didn't win just one, I won three medals. And I will tell you, that whole adventure of bodybuilding, point after foot, that's one of them. Like, it was insane what I created. And at the end, I ended up looking like that.

[Danielle Fishel]

And this is all your husband's program?

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah. Wow. Three months, 99 days.

[Will Friedle]

Unbelievable.

[Forbes Riley]

Now, I will say, to be successful, though, the cool thing about saying you're going to be on stage, especially if you say it publicly, like on a show like this, you make a declaration is you don't want to be embarrassed, Right? So you're doing everything you can. So a goal without a consequence is just a dream. I had a little PTSD from the car accident and I said, this is all that I wanted. And I never wanted to do before. I've been with him for nine years. I used to go to those competitions and think they were silly. And now I'm like, I'm. I'm doing this for my own health and fitness. And, man, there were days where I just was shattered. It was really hard. And I went Instagram live every single day so my audience could see the mornings where I was crying at 5am going, this totally sucks. Why did I do this? And then the days where I'm like, I'm playing this theme song going, I rock. I'm closing the gym.

[Will Friedle]

I'm.

[Forbes Riley]

I'm a champion. And that was a roller coaster. And then, I don't know if you can relate to this, and maybe I'm saying this because your audience needs to hear this, this, but on day 67, something wicked happened. You know, as an actress who'd fought my weight my whole life. See, when I was coming up and I was on a soap opera, I was on as the World Turns, and I'm standing between Meg Ryan and Julianne Moore. They're both on my show and they're both Twiggy. Now, here's a funny thing. Does this. Look. What is that? That's a mouse, right?

[Will Friedle]

It's a mouse, yeah.

[Forbes Riley]

Does the mouse look fat?

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Forbes Riley]

It does when you stick it next to a pen. And I was the mouse. I was. I was 20 pounds overweight. I was normal by today's standards. I was just fine. But this made me look really. And everybody. I was on Broadway. I Got sent to Overeaters Anonymous. So I was fixated on this whole. This whole body image, and it destroyed me. And I could. I mean, John Avilson got on the phone with me, the director from Rocky, Academy Award winning director, was doing his new movie called Neighbors with John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd. And I was slated to play the lead role, female. And he called me personally. He said, look, they, we all love you, but the brass, the money people tell me you need to lose 15 pounds. And I think I hung up and ate a donut. I was very. I would always, yo, yo down.

[Will Friedle]

What kind of donut?

[Forbes Riley]

You know, kind of a glaze one with chocolate on top. Don't like the cream ones, though.

[Will Friedle]

Me neither. My son does.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, really? Oh, my dad liked the cream. Yeah. So I would get to that weight and I would always sabotage myself, like a ritual. It was disgusting. And I'm like, I don't. I can't figure it out. Well, day 67 of my weight loss challenge. I'm sitting in the gym and I see a bridge flying at my face. And I'm like, I'm having visions. I'm, like crying hysterically. And it dawns on me that at 15 years old, when I'm wearing a bikini, I got molested. It's on a beach. Something crazy that happened. And at the end of that day, I was literally flying. It's kind of a long story, but flying back on a small private plane, and the guy who did it reached over to grab me again while we're flying, and we came this close to a bridge. That's all I remember seeing in the windshield. And we just missed it by this much being just a crash. Kind of like a John John history story. They died in a plane. When I got out of the plane, my dad said, so how was your afternoon? I'm like, it was fine. I went home to my mom. She said, how was your afternoon? I was like, it was fine. I closed my door. And I never thought about that memory since. Until that day when I lost all way more weight than I had ever lost. And it dawned on me how badly I'd been hurt. And then it dawned on me, like, oh, you didn't want to be seen all these years. You don't own a bikini because it's too painful. I never even in my wildest imagination realized that's why I was running my life the way I was. That's why I was kind of angry at men on some weird level. That's why I did A lot of the things. And it all came to fruition. My suggestion that is. Don't wait. Don't let all those angry memories ruin your life. Because you should never let your past write your future.

[Danielle Fishel]

So wait, I'm sorry. Your husband was in a motorcycle accident and then a car accident, like that was it. Were they close to each other?

[Forbes Riley]

No. In fact they were completely five years apart. He was in a motorcycle accident right out close to our house. He was recovered. And last year, this one, this all happened. My family, my twins, they're 23 year old. Boy, girl, twins. They're beautiful, they're in business, they're fun, they're healthy. And we were at spring break in Iceland. We had that James Bond moment. We're on a glacier, snowmobiling and life is great. Man. It was probably one of the best days ever. We're on a bus coming home. I took a picture of them and that might have been the last thing I ever did. We hit a patch of ice, we go flying through the air and we crash down on my side of the bus and I wake up and my. There's glass everywhere. But the coolest thing is I have my cheek in my eye and my face and my brain and my life. My shoulders torn up a little bit. We all survived, but it was pretty devastating. And no one else really got hurt. There were a couple of injured. There was. That's not true. There were a lot of people got injured. Nobody died. We all walked away from it like

[Danielle Fishel]

a full size bus. Like a bus accident.

[Forbes Riley]

You're gonna make me find that too, aren't you?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh God. You have pictures of it?

[Forbes Riley]

Yeah, I have pictures of. Well, I. You know, professionally. What I love when you were little, just real quick round table. What'd you want to be, Danielle?

[Will Friedle]

A waitress.

[Forbes Riley]

Why?

[Will Friedle]

I. I don't know. I absolutely wanted to just bring people food. I don't know.

[Forbes Riley]

That's the sweetest thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

35 years I've known her, I've never heard her say that out loud.

[Ryder Strong]

Waitress.

[Danielle Fishel]

Never heard her say that.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I wanted to be. I wanted to work at a diner.

[Ryder Strong]

But you. And you never got to. Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

You never had.

[Will Friedle]

I never had.

[Forbes Riley]

I was too successful an actress. I didn't get to be a waitress.

[Ryder Strong]

I just became a TV star. Can you believe it?

[Will Friedle]

I was the only person who had the dream in reverse.

[Forbes Riley]

You did.

[Ryder Strong]

No, I did too. I was one of the work in

[Danielle Fishel]

the wall to keep me in waitressing.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right now.

[Ryder Strong]

No, I always wanted to work in a Movie theater. Even when we were on Boy Meets World, I remember being like, oh, I would love to work in a movie theater.

[Will Friedle]

I wanted to work at Ruby's while we were on Boy Meets World. I was like, man, I can't wait for Boy Meets World to be over so I could be a Ruby's Diner waitress.

[Forbes Riley]

I wanted to be. Yeah, that's William. What do you want to be?

[Danielle Fishel]

An actor.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's what I want it to be.

[Will Friedle]

Listen, I need you to know you are maybe the most interesting part of the Boy Meets World legacy. I mean, truly. Dr. Forbes Riley, thank you so much for being here with us. We are so happy to have been able to chronicle your involvement in our show. What a fun little Easter egg. And for everyone listening, if you want to learn more about Forbes Riley and pre order her upcoming book, the Pitch Secrets, A to Z, you can check out her website, ForbesRiley.com or her podcast, Forbes Factor. It's available on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Forbes Riley]

It's been fun and it was fun going back and watching the episode.

[Will Friedle]

It really was.

[Forbes Riley]

And I appreciate it. Wouldn't you know, next time we do a series, it's gonna have to just be a little bit bigger role.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Maybe on camera with this gorgeous face.

[Forbes Riley]

Well, thank you so much. You guys have delighted my heart. And I will tell you, the reason this has happened, guys, is because I took the courage to write a book. It took me five years to get this one out. And I'm going to encourage all of you to not play small. The voices in your past, they may haunt you. Find a way to work those out. Because I'll tell you what, you don't get to write a great future from back from the backseat. Yeah. And thank you all so very much.

[Ryder Strong]

Thank you so great talking to you

[Will Friedle]

so much for being here. Wow, what an inspiration. Nice talking to you.

[Forbes Riley]

Thank you, guys. Bye, everyone.

[Will Friedle]

Holy cow.

[Ryder Strong]

That was a tour de force of storytelling, guys. It was just like another thing. And then let me go back to the time I did this and it was like the ups and downs. I was like, my God, anytime she started about how something was awful, I was like, well, it's gonna get good. And then every time it was getting good, I was like, well, it's gonna get awful again.

[Danielle Fishel]

I wanna read Pitch Secrets. Atas it looks good.

[Will Friedle]

I am always so impressed by the littlest things. But things like when someone goes. And then on A Tuesday, Jack LaLanne called and he was doing a movie and they remember names and what they were working on. And I' like, every time I go to tell a story, I go, well, one time, I don't remember who it was. Somebody. It was one of the, you know,

[Ryder Strong]

they said something that I remember. He was big up on a giraffe. It's such a good point because it's like be. You know, when she talks about manifesting, right? So much of that is telling yourself a story and narrativizing your own progress. And she is clearly, since the age of 15 or whatever, or even probably before that, been narrativizing her own, like, progress. And so she's always like, anything bad happens to her, she immediately is like, well, I'm at a down point right now, and I'm gonna come overcome it

[Will Friedle]

through what's going to teach me.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

This was in a car accident. Glass in my face. Take a picture of it. She's going in a PowerPoint.

[Ryder Strong]

Two years from now, I'm gonna be in a podcast and I'm gonna talk about it.

[Forbes Riley]

It worked.

[Ryder Strong]

It worked. Right?

[Danielle Fishel]

So I have a picture. I have a pitch.

[Will Friedle]

Great.

[Danielle Fishel]

A funny infomercial. And then we take over QVC for a day to sell the book.

[Will Friedle]

Ooh, that is fun. Funny.

[Danielle Fishel]

I want to see Ryder on qvc. No, our book.

[Ryder Strong]

We're going to sell Forbes Riley's books. Why don't we just get Forbes Riley to sell art book?

[Danielle Fishel]

Because the fun is going to be us. I want to see Riley.

[Ryder Strong]

We give her 10%. We're probably going to make it back because she will sell the crap out of it.

[Danielle Fishel]

I want to see Ryder on qvc. That's the. That's the end.

[Ryder Strong]

Not gonna happen.

[Will Friedle]

Does this phone look fat? It does. Next to this highlighter.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sell me this pen, Daniel.

[Forbes Riley]

But she's also one of those people,

[Ryder Strong]

though, that you really do.

[Danielle Fishel]

Or you. You finish a conversation with her and you're like, I do want to bodybuild. Or I do want to sell this. Or I could do.

[Will Friedle]

I do actually think that thing works. Now that you mention it.

[Danielle Fishel]

It makes you realize you're like, yeah, you can. I can go make more money.

[Forbes Riley]

I can manifest stuff.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like, damn. Yeah. Very positive. And funny, too. She's very funny.

[Will Friedle]

So funny.

[Danielle Fishel]

Very funny. I want to see Squish University.

[Will Friedle]

You're starring in Squish University?

[Danielle Fishel]

That's right. We got to screen that

[Will Friedle]

writer. Your next writing project.

[Forbes Riley]

Squish you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Squish you.

[Ryder Strong]

It could be so many things.

[Will Friedle]

Thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can Follow us on Instagram. Pod meets world show. You can send us your emails. Pod meets worldshowmail.com and we've got merch.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's so many different ways to go with this merch. Call. Because it's one of those things where it's like, it could be Jack Lane merch. It could be merch. That's 24 7. Hey, if you buy this merch, just buy our merch. Manifest our merch. Merch.

[Will Friedle]

After having the world's best seller on you go.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you just. I can't do it. I can't learn anything from her. Pitch us that merch, man.

[Forbes Riley]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

If you buy our merch and then there's a guy.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't remember his name. Stop. Think about merches. If you invest in this merch right now, you. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in a day. In a day.

[Will Friedle]

You missed it all. What she said was, this isn't merchant for your body. This is merch that changes your life.

[Ryder Strong]

This is merch for you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

This is merch for you. When is the last time you bought something for yourself? You take care of everyone.

[Ryder Strong]

You buy a Boy Meets World taco shirt.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's going to change from the bag.

[Ryder Strong]

There it is.

[Danielle Fishel]

There it is.

[Will Friedle]

Get in the driver's seat of your merch.

[Danielle Fishel]

Of your merch. That's. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to end up in those tiny little speedos like that guy merch.

[Will Friedle]

And we're going to say, wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow, wow. Those are the smallest speedos I've ever seen in my life. By that, I didn't want to say anything, but nut uggers.

[Ryder Strong]

You know what they say, the smaller the speedo doesn't work.

[Danielle Fishel]

I actually don't know what they don't either.

[Forbes Riley]

Oh, man. Pod meets world.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Forbes Riley]

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