Jeff Menell Meets World Again

Summary

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Pod Meets World: "Jeff Menell Meets World Again"

Podcast: Pod Meets World
Episode Date: March 9, 2026
Host(s): Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Rider Strong
Special Guest: Jeff Menell

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Episode Overview

This episode sends listeners back to the heyday of TGIF and "Boy Meets World," as the regular hosts welcome back beloved writer and producer Jeff Menell. The conversation dives deeply into the show's final season (Season 7), reflecting on its legacy, behind-the-scenes dynamics, and Menell’s enduring impact on the series. It’s a blend of nostalgic reminiscence, candid revelations, and lighthearted banter as the group discusses wrap parties, lost storylines, and personal stories from the creative trenches of an iconic sitcom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nostalgia for Lost Places

[03:24 – 09:46]

• The hosts reminisce about restaurants and stores from their youth they wish could return:
  • Will Friedle: Wants to bring Blockbuster back:
    “I miss walking through the aisles... picking up videos... it was a whole thing for me, and it was a ritual.” (03:55)
  • Rider Strong: Evokes Highland Grounds, an L.A. coffee shop-bar that was formative for him:
    “You'd go any time of day, day or night... live music or poetry... a place for me at 17 or 16... I’d sit and write outside, and even Tarantino apparently wrote there.” (06:09)
  • Danielle Fishel: Recalls The Coffee House on Sunset Strip, a welcoming haven for the sober community and creatives:
    “It’s like one of my warm, fuzzy places.” (09:09)
• The hosts reflect on how such spaces shaped their young adult years, either through social connection (Danielle, Rider) or introverted ritual (Will).

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2. Introducing Jeff Menell: The Heart of the Writers Room

[16:53 – 21:11]

• Danielle introduces Jeff Menell’s pivotal role:

  • Seven seasons, 11 episodes, Emmy-nominated for "Girl Meets World."
  • Creator of “And Then There Was Shawn" and known for his warmth and camaraderie.
  • If "Boy Meets World" had a mascot, it would be Jeff.

• Jeff joins the pod, and the crew admires his framed memorabilia and discuss memories about underused characters and the season 3 cast.

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3. Wrap-Up Reflections on Season 7

[21:12 – 29:49]

• Anticipating the End:

  • The team confirms they knew Season 7 would likely be the last but had dealt with similar rumors before.
  • The original 13-episode order was later expanded to the traditional "back nine," enabling a full-length ending and two-part finale.

• The Finale’s Emotional Impact:

  • Jeff: “I remember, you know, starting to tear up a little bit at the memory of just watching you guys say goodbye to Feeny and we’re saying goodbye to the show.”
  • Will notes the rarity and privilege of having a true wrap-up episode.

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4. Life in the Writers Room: Camaraderie, Long Hours, and Lunch Bets

[25:54 – 33:17]

• Fun vs. Fatigue:
  • Jeff: “Every day” was fun, especially in the writers’ room, despite the grueling hours: “The dynamic at the writer’s table: someone's always being made fun of in a horrible, humiliating way.”
• Bonding and Coping:
  • Occasional late nights, lots of food talk, and inside jokes provided respite from stress.
• Unique Schedulers:
  • The discovery of a "tennis weather" loophole:
    “If the script was in halfway good shape, we'd go play doubles tennis... That was fun.” (41:21)

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5. Evolution (and Madness) of Season 7 Characters

[37:46 – 40:25]

• Shifting Characterization:
  • The group jokes about characters evolving (or devolving) dramatically:
    • Topanga loses her “hippie” traits.
    • Eric is “out of his tree.”
    • Will: “Was that an actual discussion you remember having, or was that just kind of what happened?”
    • Jeff: “I think that’s kind of what happened... you guys were a little more mature, your characters developed... there was no, ‘let’s make them all different’... It was just natural, maybe knowing it was the last season.”

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6. Infamous Storylines: Babies Disappearing and Bizarre Production Decisions

[44:44 – 47:43]

• The Vanishing Baby:
  • The group laughs about the Matthews family's baby, prominent in Season 6 and ignored in Season 7.
    • Danielle: “Why do we throw a baby into the mix? Why is the baby just gone?”
    • Jeff suspects it was to mimic real-life (creator Michael Jacobs had four children) and for storyline “freshness,” but jokes: “I’m glad we got rid of the baby. Except for mentioning it, you know.”
• On Babies On Set:
  • Rider and Will discuss the complications of using real babies and how it rarely produces comedy.

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7. Favorite Writers, Lost Colleagues & Unsung Heroes

[49:39 – 54:42]

• Changes in the Writers Room:
  • Jeff describes the natural cycling of writers, camaraderie, and how the “final season probably had the most bonding.”
• Most Missed Writer:
  • The group reminisces about the quirky Glenn Mercer, his unique contributions (from vegetarian crusading to bringing a date to pitch meetings in the writers' office), and his chicken costumed protest.
• Unsung Heroes:
  • Names like Ray Liu (camera), Carlos (started as McCracken’s assistant), and Judy Toll get well-deserved praise.

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8. Wrap Parties, Bloopers, and Tangents

[56:15 – 64:13]

• Wrap Party Memory Lapses:

  • The group tries (and fails) to recall the Season 7 wrap party’s venue, but shares memories of dressing up, video tributes, and Michael Jacobs gifting everyone watches “from the trunk of his car.”
    • “I remember Ryder and I specifically going to Barney’s, and we each bought two Armani suits.” (61:28)

• On-Set Blooper Gold:

  • The infamous couch scene tag was derailed by laughter—no one remembers the scripted ending, only how Will (Eric) struggled to get out:
    • “You can see me just trying to get up and it was Velcroed... That’s all core strength, and I got none.” (57:19)

• Epic Hiccups Story:

  • Menell once missed a party due to 24 hours of hiccups, requiring an ER trip and Thorazine.
    • Rider: “How is this not an Eric storyline?” (63:59)
    • Danielle: “That’s one of the greatest stories I’ve ever…” (64:36)

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9. Behind-the-Scenes Mount Rushmore & Legacy

[69:39 – 72:09]

• Asked to build a behind-the-scenes Boy Meets World Mount Rushmore, Jeff places:
  • Michael Jacobs (“of course”)
  • Arlene Grayson (first producer, “got us going”)
  • Ray Colcord (music)
  • Karen McCain, Russ, Hafer, Carlos, and true crew all get honorable mentions.
• Danielle: “On our Mount Rushmore, Jeff Menell is there.” (79:21)

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10. Movie Recommendations and Taste

[75:29 – 78:53]

• Jeff’s all-time favorites: Raging Bull, Godfather, Goodfellas.
• Recent/indie picks: Song Sung Blue (with Kate Hudson), The Life of Chuck (Tom Hiddleston, Stephen King adaptation), Train Dreams.
• The hosts recommend Nirvana the Band, the Show, which is “a little Boy Meets World-inspired.”
• Will jokes: “I had a chance to watch a movie the other night, and I watched Under Siege 2 with Steven Seagal... The second one’s unwatchable. And I watched it like five times.” (78:44)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “Boy Meets World”’s Finale:

  • “To have an actual last episode where you get to say goodbye to the audience, that’s really rarefied air in television.”
    —Will Friedle (28:46)

• Reminiscing about Wrap Parties:

  • “Michael opened the trunk of his car at the end and had watches for everybody.”
    —Will Friedle (62:05)

• On Writers Room Camaraderie:

  • “The writers know more about you than my wife does, honestly. They know certain stories that would never get revealed to your mates just because that's the way it is.”
    —Jeff Menell (49:59)

• On Season 7’s Wild Character Shifts:

  • “Eric is out of his tree... Was that an actual discussion you remember having?”
    —Will Friedle (37:46)
  • “No, there was nothing like, ‘hey, let's make them all different’...a natural thing, just, you know?”
    —Jeff Menell (38:27)

• Hiccups Story:

  • “I had a 24-hour case of the hiccups… They gave me a shot of Thorazine which cured it immediately. Then I went home and they started up again.”
    —Jeff Menell (63:42–64:31)

• On the infamous baby plotline:

  • “Why did we spend so much of season six focused on the pregnancy… then season seven, it was like… Why is the baby just gone?”
    —Danielle Fishel (45:01)
  • “I'm glad we got rid of the baby. Except for mentioning it, you know.”
    —Jeff Menell (47:43)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:24 — Hosts reflect on lost stores/restaurants of their youth
• 16:53 — Danielle introduces Jeff Menell
• 21:12 — Season 7 memories: knowing it was the last, “back nine” order, finale emotions
• 25:54 — Writers room life; fun, camaraderie, and the tennis loophole
• 37:46 — Discussing Season 7’s character changes and lack of strict character continuity
• 44:44 — The vanishing baby plotline and on-set baby logistics
• 49:39 — Writers room turnover, favorite colleagues, and legendary stories
• 56:15 — Foods, Kukuru nostalgia, wrap party habits, suit shopping
• 57:10 — The couch scene blooper story: “I couldn’t get my legs out.”
• 63:42 — Jeff’s “24-hour hiccups” ER story
• 69:39 — BTS Mount Rushmore and unsung heroes
• 75:29 — Movie recommendations and debate on tastes
• 79:21 — Affirmation that Jeff belongs on Boy Meets World’s “Mount Rushmore”

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

The episode is warm, hilarious, spontaneous, and nostalgic—exactly as fans of “Pod Meets World” have come to expect. Instead of a mere recap, it's a revealing oral history, with Jeff Menell’s presence bringing out long-lost stories and genuine affection among companions who spent transformative years together. For newcomers, it’s a gateway into the soul of “Boy Meets World;” for fans, it’s a loving, laughter-filled goodbye to the show’s recaps—with its most treasured behind-the-scenes figure front-and-center.

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Pod Meets World remains available on all major podcast platforms, with more cast and crew reunions on the horizon.

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[Danielle Fishel]

Right? Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

But if we were getting older and the world around us was changing, if you had the option to look back and bring one restaurant or store that has since closed from your youth back, what would it be? And I'll answer to give you guys a chance to think.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. All right. I do like this question.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, Blockbuster.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, boy. You do? That's so easy for you. You're right.

[Will Friedle]

It was so easy for me. I want Blockbuster back. I miss walking through the aisles. I miss picking up videos or, well, they were videos at the time. Now that. Then they became Blu Rays and flipping them over and looking at the COVID I miss the whole action of the new movies. Came out on Tuesday. I get to go see what's out there. I get, you know, it was a whole thing for me, and it was a ritual. So that was mine. Easy bar none. Susan, apparently, when she was growing up, there was a store near her where all they did was sell jeans. The whole store. And I was like, well, different types.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, not like a Levi's brand.

[Will Friedle]

No, apparently all different types of jeans. And I was like, were there shirts? She's like, nope, it was a store full of jeans. I was like, okay, weird. So I'm asking you, is there something that you remember from your youth that you're like, I want that back.

[Rider Strong]

Bring it back. Absolutely. Actually, weirdly enough, it came up this weekend. I was at a horror convention. No, I was at a horror convention and reconnected with Eli Roth, who directed Cabin Fear, because we were all there with the cast, and we were talking about, you know, what we're up to or where we're living. And he's like, you know, I mentioned that I live in Highland Park. And he goes, did you move to Highland park just so you were hoping they would reopen Highland Grounds? I was like, how do you remember? And he's like, yeah, remember Highland Grounds?

[Will Friedle]

Of course.

[Rider Strong]

That was the best place in all of la they had. I. I've talked about it on the show. I feel like, yeah, Highland and Melrose, it's now changed to like, it's been three different restaurants, but it'll never be what it was. Which was coffee shop slash bar slash performance space with an outdoor area with fire pits. Yeah, I would go at least once a week. I knew everybody that worked there. I knew the owner. The owner is a guy. He still owns Hugo's. Oh, yeah, yeah, Hugo's Tacos. And then Hugo's in the Valley is a pretty good restaurant. But they don't serve what they had at Highland Grounds, which was the black bean burger.

[Will Friedle]

Burger, which is vegetarian.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, it was my burger.

[Will Friedle]

I.

[Rider Strong]

It was like, oh. So it was like sourdough bread, some kind of pepper and then black bean, like their homemade black bean patty. Oh, God, it was so good, guys. And they had their fries, their hand cut fries.

[Will Friedle]

You used to do poetry there.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I did a couple shows there.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. But it was also just.

[Rider Strong]

You'd go any time of day, day or night. If you went at night, it would be packed and there'd be live music or live poetry or something. And it was always cool. And a cool like bar, like space that you could be in as a somebody who wasn't old enough to drink. It was like. It was like the equivalent of going to a bar for me at 17 or 16 because it would be like act, you know, people milling about and art everywhere and conversation. And then I would go during the. In the mornings or during the day by myself and just sit and write on the outside. Outdoor area. I remember Tarantino apparently wrote like a couple of his scripts there because apparently he writes like long hat, like, or used to write his scripts by hand. And like, I remember being out there in the Highland Grounds like thing and Tarantino's over in the corner writing. It was like. It was just like the coolest spot in the world. That's a good one.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I like that. I'd like that.

[Danielle Fishel]

That place sounds good. Both of you guys had answers that I'm like, ooh, I really like that. I don't even like movies. You know how I feel about art in general. Yeah. But I. The idea of. Because One of the things I don't love about movie watching is the fact that I have to look on my phone to figure something out. What is there to watch? I like the idea and I miss the Blockbuster nights where you do go, we're gonna watch a movie tonight. And you walk into a place and you've got all the covers. Remember the VHS covers all lined up and you get to look at all of them and then pick, ooh, let's go over here, let's look at that. You carry a few of them around with you, then you narrow it down. I loved that. That is very fun. And then hearing Ryder talk about Highland Grounds reminded me of my place when I was 18, 19, 20, 21. And going out was called the Coffee House. And it was started. You remember the Coffee House?

[Rider Strong]

It's still. I mean, the place is still there now it's something else, but.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, something else. But the location is still there. And it was started by Brent Bolthouse, who was one of the most like famous club promoters at the time. And he had been sober for a very long time. And one of the things that he remembers being hard for him about his sobriety is that people would always want to go to the clubs that were nearby. And then when the clubs would end, everyone would go to after parties and he. His everything. If you weren't going to go drink or do anything like that. He wanted a place that. Where you could go as a sober person and still have community and still

[Rider Strong]

hang out, still have like that bar vibe.

[Danielle Fishel]

That bar vibe. And so it had indoor outdoor space. They used to do some events there where people could do, you know, spoken words. If you wanted to see Leonardo DiCaprio playing backgammon, that was a good spot to find him. And it was just a similar writer to hearing you talk about Highland Grounds. I knew everyone there. I felt at home there. They had great food, so they were also open during the day. It's not like you had to go there after, you know, 2:00am but they were open super late. They were open until, you know, four or five o' clock in the morning. For people who used to go to clubs and then want somewhere to go.

[Rider Strong]

Right on the Sunset Strip.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, Right on the Sunset Strip. It gives me like, when I think back to. It's like one of my warm, fuzzy places is. Is the Coffee House.

[Rider Strong]

The space is still the same.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's.

[Rider Strong]

Now it's just a bar with food. I mean, it's actually not bad. It's. But it's so. It's Much more of a bar. You know, traditional, but the space still. What they redesign how they redesigned that space with the outdoor area. It's still there. I just went there a couple months ago after a friend's movie premiere. Yeah, it's like. It's still a cool space. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, good.

[Will Friedle]

I love how both of your places. Oh, I was gonna say, I just love how both your places are designed for socialization and mine is designed to stay by myself.

[Rider Strong]

So accurate.

[Will Friedle]

I do want to go on record as saying, well, this is a question that I think about probably every 40 to 50 minutes. Are you serious? Which Danielle. Oh, yeah. Danielle knows that when we drive down the street, she can tell you what I do.

[Danielle Fishel]

Jensen's. One of Jensen's favorite things to do is when he has time, randomly get off on an exit 10 to 15 minutes away from our house and take Ventura just to comment on what's close.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, that's a great way to spend some time.

[Rider Strong]

This used to be that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow, look at that. That's out of business now, huh? Yes, same thing.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, well, Jensen and I are still carpooling. It'll be fine. We'll get to everywhere. A half hour late, but it'll be great. I figured you were going to say Ruby, because are there any rubies?

[Rider Strong]

Sadness. Is it sadness and regret, or is it kind of joyful?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, no, I'm just business reporting.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, there's no emotion attached to it at all. It's mostly just the way he. The way he will let you know everyone who's died. That's how he does with businesses dead.

[Will Friedle]

That business I will get. I will get RIP. Insert a name here from Jensen, and then 10 minutes later, Apple News announces the person is dead. I'm like Jensen just walking from.

[Danielle Fishel]

From.

[Will Friedle]

From a convalescent room to come. Just holding people's hands. That's like dar and like. It's like putting. Yeah, he's putting a mirror in front be like, okay, Robert Duvall's dead. Okay, I will say. I will say this started as a

[Jeff Menell]

bit with you guys.

[Will Friedle]

Like, obviously it was funny that I would do it. And I'm not going to say who the celebrities are, but Danielle can tell you that in the last two or three months, I have known about celebrity deaths before they publicly were announced, which is before they even know that we're dead.

[Rider Strong]

Terrifying.

[Will Friedle]

I die in five minutes.

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Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

He's alerted.

[Danielle Fishel]

Chances reported. I just hope that when I die, he lets you guys know the same way. Me, Danielle, RIP Daniel.

[Will Friedle]

Daniel Fisher dead on our Podcast

[Danielle Fishel]

our friend, your wife. Yeah, it just happened.

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Just happened.

[Will Friedle]

There's no other place in the middle of the night when I wake up at 2:00am from, you know, the boys yelling our name or something where I can just lean over and write, Rest in peace, Robert Carradine. Oh, that was a tough one. Revenge of Nerds.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

But, oh God, it's so moment. It's just like Bing. And I see Jensen's name, I'm like, somebody died. It's like, here we go. Who is it? Somebody died. Or we've got an ad read. Which one is it?

[Danielle Fishel]

Someone's dead. I do.

[Will Friedle]

Nope, it's just vari. Yeah, exactly. Either Robert Duvall has died or we have a better health ad.

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[Jeff Menell]

hey, guys. How you doing? How are you doing?

[Danielle Fishel]

How you doing?

[Will Friedle]

How you doing?

[Jeff Menell]

You guys look great.

[Danielle Fishel]

So do you.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, you got the. The season three Boy Meets World framed behind you. I've got mine too.

[Rider Strong]

Very important.

[Will Friedle]

Cute.

[Jeff Menell]

That season three. I know.

[Will Friedle]

So isn't that the one where Alex is with us? So wasn't. Didn't Alex join us in season three? Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Was he only in one season?

[Danielle Fishel]

One season.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Wow. He felt. I feel like he was there much longer than that.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know his presence was. Felt like he was there for longer, but no, he was. I think we've all decided he was definitely the most underutilized. Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Waste.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wasted potential for a character on our show. We just didn't really know what to do with him.

[Jeff Menell]

We brought him in to add a little cool factor, and we did. But maybe everyone else looked less cool because of him. I don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

It is true that between him and Tony together, they had like a real cool 20s guy vibe, you know?

[Rider Strong]

And there's like one episode where they were double dating or whatever. It's like a B story with just them.

[Jeff Menell]

It's only one.

[Danielle Fishel]

And it was a good one.

[Rider Strong]

It was.

[Jeff Menell]

But he was a great guy. Hey, I still is a great guy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes, he is.

[Jeff Menell]

He's still with us. Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Ryder and Will, we all just actually saw him not that long ago. He came to one of my Dancing with the Stars episodes.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, really?

[Danielle Fishel]

So, yeah, wasn't. That was very sweet of him? He came and we got to spend some time with him. It was great to see him.

[Jeff Menell]

You were amazing, by the way.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you.

[Jeff Menell]

I know. I told you via email.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did you always. You always send me sweet, wonderful, supportive emails.

[Will Friedle]

I don't get.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Well, there's a reason.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, My God, I don't get anything. I got that one letter you sent me. That was a handwritten letter that just said, hey, Will. Then you'd spit, and then you just put it in the thing, and that was it. I was like, wow, I've been better with leaving my house.

[Jeff Menell]

I know you. I know you.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's true. So, Jeff, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast. The streets have been talking and they wanted a Manelle visit before we wrapped up the show recaps. So here we are, giving the people what they want.

[Jeff Menell]

You could just replay my last visit. We're gonna Depends how this one goes, right? All right, good, good. Let's talk about you guys. That's why. Good to see you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, good.

[Rider Strong]

We.

[Danielle Fishel]

We always love seeing you. We actually. We are due to have a lunch.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Okay. I mean, you guys are busy. I'm busy now, but, you know, not like you.

[Danielle Fishel]

So tell us about your busyness. Grandkids.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah. I have a granddaughter. They live with us.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, really?

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah. So that's been an event, and. But it's. Yeah, I won't. I won't go too long. Your audience doesn't care about this, but it's great. I see her every morning. She's so much fun. She's a. She's really.

[Danielle Fishel]

How old is she now?

[Jeff Menell]

Eight months.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, wow. So, yeah, my. My grandson's nine months, so they'd be besties.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, man.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that same. That same age. Yeah. Right around there. Is she crawling yet?

[Jeff Menell]

You know, army crawling.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. Yeah, he started that, and then two days later, he. Now you can't stop him. He's all over the place.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, she can get across the floor, but not. She doesn't know how to use her

[Will Friedle]

knees yet, so she's skittering. She's skittering.

[Jeff Menell]

Climb up on me. And she's. Yeah, she's very cute. It's. It's nice. It has elevated our lives, so it's nice and green.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's so fun. I want to talk to you. What do you remember about season seven?

[Will Friedle]

Well, thanks for coming.

[Rider Strong]

We've been told.

[Jeff Menell]

Jensen. I go. My memory isn't as sharp as it was last time, and it wasn't that sharp. No, I mean, I remember, you know, I mean, we knew it was going to be our last season.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

I believe a couple seasons prior to that, we were worried that was going to be our last season because, you know, we weren't sure Ben wanted to do it anymore. I think he had a moment of thinking. I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

Well, he was going to college. He got into college, and then he deferred for a year for Stanford. Yeah. Yeah. So he was going to leave season six, and.

[Jeff Menell]

And, you know, he knew, and we all wanted to wrap it up, you know, in. In a. In a nice way, because a lot of shows don't get a chance to do that, so.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

So, I mean, I. I think we knew early on. Right. I think we knew probably in season two, you guys were going to get married, Cory and Topanga and. And this show this season, you know, I mean, there was a lot more ser. I just watched a bunch of episodes because I have not seen it in 30 years.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

And the Wedding one, I have to say, the wedding one is just great.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

You know, Sean and Corey's fight. Well, you know, you're. You're lying. You know, Sean's poor, funny. In the episode 10 serious moment. It was just that. That's great. That was great to see Willie up there. You know, just. I watched a lot of my watch and I go, boy, I don't remember any of that. But this one I of course remember. And. But there was some of them that I go, ooh, that's so serious. Which is why we then did like Will in the couch. You want me to count on that? And thank God for that, you know, because that one was. I mean, that was ridiculous.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my gosh. That's that episode.

[Will Friedle]

It was fun, though. That was. That was like a fun kind of rompy episode. But you said that you knew. We all knew going in that it was gonna be our last season, but we also only got picked up for 13, so.

[Jeff Menell]

Was that for the last season?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, well, originally we were picked up for 13, and then we got picked up for our back nine, like halfway through the season.

[Jeff Menell]

Are you. Is that. I believe you? Why would they only pick us up for 13 episodes for last season when we were doing so well?

[Will Friedle]

Because we thought we were done. Yeah, we. They said that we were only going to do 13, and then because Ryder and I started to do our. Our fake documentary for the party. And then when we got picked up for our back nine, we got to put it. It on the kind of the back burner, and we got to hold off for a while. So then I guess my next question isn't gonna matter. Which was the last episode, the very last episode of the season. Was that originally supposed to be episode 13? I guess was. Was what I was.

[Jeff Menell]

Well, that's a good question. I'm assuming when do we get the bag nine order? Because we would have moved everything up if had we known that. I mean, because the wedding was what, episode seven, I guess. Right. So, like, maybe. I wonder if that was going to be the end. I mean, that. That would have been a pretty good finale if that was. If that's all we had going. But. Yeah. Well, I feel bad. You should be the guest today, Will, because I don't remember. I don't remember that at all. I. I believe you again, you know, and I'll. I have no one I can really show. I could check with Michael, I suppose, but. Yeah, I don't remember when we got the word for the back nine, but I'm glad we did because the wedding was great. Great. But the finale finale, the last two parter, was you know, so necessary. And I thought perfect. Especially, you know, last scene. I mean, oh, yeah, we all got to see you guys say goodbye. I remember, you know, starting to tear up a little bit at the memory of just watching you guys say goodbye to Feeny and we're saying goodbye to the show. I mean, that's a big, big, big chunk of my life and obviously your guys life. So I'm glad ABC was smart enough to give us the full season.

[Rider Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

You had taken a really big risk moving out to Los Angeles and, you know, hoping the show takes off. And then it does. And then, you know, seven seasons is obviously what showrunners and producers dream of. Were you still having fun at this point? Like, do you remember every day going into the office and just. Even though you knew it was gonna be the end and you were ready to wrap it up, were you having fun every day?

[Jeff Menell]

Every day.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Every once in a while, overall.

[Jeff Menell]

Every once in a while. You know, the hours, I remember the hours so much like, like, you know, Grammy's world. Our hours were horrible. We would have a lot of late nights, but I don't remember ever working like on, on weekends, some on Sundays. But we, we might have. Listen, yeah, it was a lot. It was. I, we always had fun. The writer's room. In the writer's room.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Is where the most fun, but also it can get really intense and, and when you're there late trying to fix a script that wasn't quite working or whatever, that's not so much fun. But.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Jeff Menell]

The, the, the, the dynamic at the writer's table is there's someone's always being made fun of in a horrible, humiliating way. That's, you know, I'm not gonna say it was mostly against me, but yeah, I was a pretty easy target. So that part was fun. And you know, I mean, these are some of my closest, you know, my, you know, that was my closest friend at the time, Michael and, and Tischler and all these people. Gary, Miller, Barry. Yeah. Now you have to name everybody, but,

[Danielle Fishel]

you know, I know you better name everyone. You don't want to get angry texts.

[Jeff Menell]

I love them all. Patty, Lara, Alice, Barbie and Erica and Carlos. Yeah, it was, that is the whole room.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

You got.

[Rider Strong]

Everybody's named everybody.

[Jeff Menell]

And you know, the Kraken directing and Rusty directing and Jerry Levine. That season there was a lot of directors, I think, you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, we did.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

I think Kevin Tracy got one, which I was so happy about.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, Steve, Steve's got one as well. Steve Hill.

[Jeff Menell]

Got one, I think, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Jeff Menell]

I think. I think the season was like, all right, let's, you know, spread the wealth. And, you know, there were some great episodes. There's, you know, I did, like, the stylized one where you guys were talking about the wedding, too. We don't know who you were talking to. And at the end reveals, it's everybody. But.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

What was that look?

[Danielle Fishel]

No, the eye that I do in the episode.

[Will Friedle]

Remember that?

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, there were some. There was a scram. So it was. It felt very satisfying. And, you know, it did feel like it was time for the show to end, to be honest. You know what I mean?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Obviously. Would I have taken another season? Sure. I had nowhere else to go. You know, I. I like the job, and I loved you guys, and it was great, but it didn't feel like, oh, man, they're pulling the plug on us. This was like. Like, they gave us the opportunity do a great full season. And.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

And it could not have ended better. I mean, iconic.

[Will Friedle]

So, Yeah, I always feel like we weren't canceled. The show ended. And those are two very different things in television. Like, we got to. So few shows, first of all, in the history of television, get to go seven seasons, and then to have an actual last episode where you get to say goodbye to the audience, that's really rarefied air in television. So, yeah, that's something that was. That I always look back as very special to.

[Jeff Menell]

I can think of, like, five or six shows, mostly dramas, but a couple comedies, like a marital and war show, where the ending was. It was just. It was just perfect. It just really felt right for the audience and for us.

[Will Friedle]

And it's big shows, too. It's Seinfeld, Cheers, Friends. I mean, these are the shows that got the actual chance to say goodbye to their audience. And it is something that's. Yeah, really special.

[Jeff Menell]

You know, I won't tell the side story, but there's one show that got canceled. I think it was called something like I Married Dora. They were canceled and, like, in the first season, but they. They came in and they basically said, on air, we've just been canceled.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, I've seen that.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, I thought that was really nice of the network to let them do that.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

None of them have worked since. But.

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That's better. H-E-L-P.com meetsworld. Season six Ends with a cliffhanger. Will they or won't they get married? Do you remember, was that a specific ploy to try and get a season 7? Or was. Did you already know we had a season seven and we just wanted the audience to be in the cliffhanger?

[Jeff Menell]

That's good question. Was it a ploy? You know, it's funny. As far as I remember, I don't ever remember us being renewed more than one season at a time. Number one.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

And I don't think it was ever a quick pickup.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

I mean, not that we were nervous. I felt a lot of times we were confident it was coming, but they. They would wait and wait, I guess, to see if anything else was doing better.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Even though we were doing great, was that a ploy? I think we just always like to have sort of a bit of a cliffhanger, especially when we became more, you know, know, the arc was built. You know, we. We. You want you guys to be together, get married. So I think that was just a natural end for a season. Was. I mean, it's a good way to end the season. I love. You know, if people were thinking of coming back, they're going to come back, you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

I also didn't remember, but I just rewatched that. The one where maybe the one before the wedding where you guys had Corey topanga.com and you guys talked to the audience. I. I forgot about that. That was great.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, maybe now's a really good time to tell you. We have purchased coriantipanga.com we.

[Jeff Menell]

Seriously?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. It's ours.

[Jeff Menell]

I was just gonna try to go on and see what happens. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, it'll take you to pod meets world.

[Jeff Menell]

How'd you come up with that idea? That's great.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

When we got to the episode and we saw coriantepanga.com, jensen was like, what does that do? And it was available for sale. So Jensen reached out to him and got a price and came back to us. We did a little negotiation, and we are the proud owners ofcory and topanga.com.

[Rider Strong]

we should do something.

[Jeff Menell]

The whole purpose of this podcast was to get that. Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, exactly.

[Jeff Menell]

What happened when we went on it back then.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, straight hardcore pornography. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So no, no, I. Isn't that where supposedly the poll was?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, it was a poll to vote.

[Danielle Fishel]

To vote on whether or not Cory and Topanga should get married.

[Will Friedle]

Married. Yeah. And I think it was there.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was overwhelmingly that we should.

[Will Friedle]

Really should. And I think it was their wedding invitation. Too. Right. It was like the invitation popped up, and then you got to vote on whether or not.

[Danielle Fishel]

And it had cute. It had all the details, like accommodations and registry. Like, it had. It was like a full wedding website before wedding websites even existed.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, they just started, you know, so. Yeah, I think when your show started is when I first got. I remember getting aol.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Still have it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Menell]

That's it.

[Will Friedle]

Still have it. It's just us and my mom.

[Rider Strong]

I love it.

[Jeff Menell]

Could you tell her stop emailing me, please?

[Will Friedle]

So one of the things that we often talk about or that we're seeing quite a bit, and I'm curious if this. There was a reason for this, if there's any discussion about it, but season seven, essentially, everybody's characters are different. Topanga is not a hippie at all anymore. There's nothing hippie ish about her. Ben is. You kind of like playing an old Jewish man. Eric is out of his tree. So there's. It seems kind of like the characters were a little bit thrown just to pasture, and it was kind of, let's just go have fun. Was that an actual discussion you remember having, or was that just kind of what happened in season seven?

[Jeff Menell]

I think that's kind of what happened. I think it had something to do

[Will Friedle]

with

[Jeff Menell]

you guys, your maturity, as in. In human form. You know, you got a little older, you got a little more mature. The characters developed. Yeah. There was a little more serious tone to the whole season, except for some silliness with you, thank God. But, I mean, I know you didn't like being that dumb. It's early in, like, season four or five, but having that element to rely on, like, I mean, thank God for some B stories that were just so ridiculous, you know, Lucky Penny and.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Jeff Menell]

Jumping out of the picture and.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

You know, and. And. But I. No, there was no. There was nothing like, hey, let's make them all different. No, there was none of that. It's also. This is how you guys performed. I mean, you know, it's. What you brought to the table was you. You were a little more mature as performers and as actors, and your characters were so well developed. I think you could maybe go a little further than you used to. Also knowing the last season, maybe it was just a natural thing, just. Right. You know?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah. Have fun.

[Will Friedle]

But, I mean, was there ever any pushback? Did anybody in the room ever say, like, topanga would never. Southern Plantation wedding.

[Jeff Menell]

I'm sure that was said. You know, I'm sure there's. Listen, there's always dissension and discussion. You know, Michael always wins. You know what I mean? Whatever it was, whatever happened on there meant that at some point Michael goes, this is what I want. You know, I mean, right. Or someone did talk him into it and maybe he regretted it afterwards. But yeah, the southern plantation thing, I. I don't know what that was about. That was just to have ugly. Let's do something stupid and hideous that everyone will hate the dresses, but is a little bit in wedding craziness time. So, yeah, you know, you guys always ask me about the discussions that were had. I don't remember many discussions. Yeah, I'm thinking about lunch most of the day, honestly. And then to get the run through. And what time are we. If we order dinner, that means it's gonna be a horrible night. You know, These are.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did we order dinner? Oh, no.

[Will Friedle]

Did you? Okay, so then did you know during run through whether or not you'd be ordering dinner?

[Jeff Menell]

Well, we would have a little side bet. A lot of times we would say, we're in great shape. I mean, you know, the network loved it. None of us were taking a lot of notes. Even Michael's acting notes to you guys didn't take an hour. It was only half hour. So we'd go, we're in good shape. And then if we go up and he goes, all right, let's get. Let's see the menus. We would all go, come on. But then we'd order something good. And then the cuckoo, you know, and if Michael had something to do. Here's the one beautiful thing about. About season seven that the other writers are grateful to me and Barry and me, Michael and Barry and Bob Tischler started playing tennis, doubles tennis. And he would want to go play during the week. And so if the script was in halfway good shape, we'd come back and do a half hour rewrite. Oh, I love that.

[Rider Strong]

And then go play tennis.

[Jeff Menell]

The other writers kept saying, wow, look at the beautiful tennis weather out there. You know?

[Will Friedle]

And that's why our characters were thrown

[Rider Strong]

out the window, Will. That's the answer.

[Danielle Fishel]

There it is.

[Rider Strong]

Tennis.

[Will Friedle]

It was just like, do we need

[Rider Strong]

to figure out why this character is doing that? Let's just go play the game.

[Will Friedle]

Is that a cloud in the sky? Let's go play.

[Danielle Fishel]

We don't have to eat dinner here. We could go play tennis.

[Will Friedle]

I got that better.

[Jeff Menell]

I lost a few pounds.

[Danielle Fishel]

Good for your health, your mental health. You got some vitamin dank.

[Rider Strong]

The show.

[Danielle Fishel]

But the show was off anyway. It was up anyway.

[Rider Strong]

Let's just play some tennis.

[Danielle Fishel]

Final season. We have six brilliant seasons.

[Will Friedle]

I just see you guys all wearing

[Rider Strong]

like those little sweat bands on your arms and it's just like getting, let's, let's go hit the.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I love tennis.

[Will Friedle]

Manell.

[Rider Strong]

Oh my God.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, I didn't look too good, but you know, they, it was fun.

[Danielle Fishel]

I bet you did. I love tennis. Manow.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I love that. Did you ever write a full length horror movie script? I feel like that would have been, been something you had your eyes set on every hiatus.

[Jeff Menell]

Well, thank you. Because the Scream. You mean the Scream episode? Yeah, I, I, well, to actually, before I came out to Blimy's World, I wrote a, it was a serial killer movie that was really, really, really dark and I sent it to Michael. I was, I was never trying to get a job on one of the shows. I just, he was someone I knew

[Danielle Fishel]

in Hollywood and could give you constructive feedback.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, he, that one, he, he, I remember he liked that one. But he tried to turn into a weird comedy and I said, no, no, this guy has to kill that baby. You know, it was very, very dark.

[Will Friedle]

Killing the baby.

[Rider Strong]

Nice.

[Will Friedle]

And when they saw me 12,

[Danielle Fishel]

it

[Jeff Menell]

was a natural progression. But since then, no, I've written some couple dark comedies, but nothing, nothing really hard. I know. It is funny. I, I, that episode, I told you, I think I wrote it in a day, even though I had a lie. Pretend it took me two weeks because Michael got mad and he goes, how far are you? I go, I'm almost done. He goes, well, you go, no, I'm kidding. I was done. That one just, that was fun and easy to write. But we're not gonna talk about that one right now. But I've written other. I've been working 10 years on one movie. Well, knows what that's like. Writer knows what that's like. So, I mean, I keep tweaking it, but nothing's gonna happen. It, it's, it's more for me at this point.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow.

[Jeff Menell]

I'm retired. I'm happy. I expect nothing to happen.

[Danielle Fishel]

Writer wants to read it.

[Rider Strong]

I do.

[Jeff Menell]

What?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Is it a comic comedy?

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, it's dark code. We'll talk off the, off the air. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know. Listen, we could do a podcast, live read. We could all take apart.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, God.

[Danielle Fishel]

We could, we could do it.

[Jeff Menell]

You guys. I would, that would be kind of cool because you guys are real actors. But I told you the writers used to read the parts in the room and that Was. That was horrible. Except for, like, you know, Matt was a good actor. Michael, which part were you?

[Rider Strong]

Did you have a part part?

[Jeff Menell]

It was never the same. It's like whoever the writer said they. They do the cast. You play this part. You know, I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

You were. Ls Morgan, but not Lindsay's.

[Jeff Menell]

No comment on that. I was whoever wasn't in the script that week. That's the point I would get.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Jeff Menell]

But. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Right. I'll send it to you if you want to read it.

[Rider Strong]

Sure.

[Jeff Menell]

It's a takeoff on It's a Wonderful Life. I'll leave it at that.

[Danielle Fishel]

You mentioned killing a baby in the script, which brings me to.

[Rider Strong]

Almost did.

[Danielle Fishel]

Which brings me to the dead baby episode of Boycott. A question about the baby on our show.

[Jeff Menell]

Can I tell you something? Until they brought up the fourth kid on one of the episodes watching. I forgot.

[Danielle Fishel]

So did we. Because why did we spend so much of season six focused on the pregnancy, the baby, the birth, the emotions, the growing family, the changes and the. Then season seven, it was like everyone was like, that was a terrible idea. Why we throw a baby into the mix. Why is the baby just gone?

[Rider Strong]

Gone.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Jeff Menell]

Maybe. I. I'm assuming the writers begged to get.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

I mean, it was a very serious. You know. You know, I'm sure that was Michael. Michael. Yeah. Michael has a lot of. It would replicate life, you know, Michael, four kids. And they had initially. Remember we had. The baby was in icu. Right. And.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes. Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Born premature.

[Jeff Menell]

Michael had that situation. So, you know, I mean, sometimes you also just maybe to come up some new storylines. Amy and. Amy and Betsy having a baby. Maybe that's interesting. We probably thought that could be interesting,

[Rider Strong]

and it really wasn't.

[Will Friedle]

I also just think, you know, having

[Rider Strong]

a baby on set, you either have a doll.

[Jeff Menell]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

It looks so fake. And you're dealing with that. Or you're dealing with really specific hours and.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

You know, on set, like, you know, regarding. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Eminem, rattles, all this kind of stuff.

[Rider Strong]

Although we just watched an episode where we did have another baby.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

The neighbor woman shows up with the baby. And that was a real baby.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And then Michael's kid came in. Well, all of Michael's kids were in this season.

[Will Friedle]

That's why. Yeah. That's why they all existed. So they can.

[Rider Strong]

All of the.

[Will Friedle]

Well, who.

[Jeff Menell]

Not Danny. Danny wasn't. I think he was too young. Or maybe Danny was in the final season. Right. He came out.

[Rider Strong]

But who plays the kid in the

[Danielle Fishel]

hallway who says I see dead people.

[Rider Strong]

That's Danny. And then he also is Joshua.

[Danielle Fishel]

He's Joshua at the end.

[Rider Strong]

At the end. Which is very confusing for our viewers, I think.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Because they're like, why is the kid who was seeing dead people come back as the baby brother?

[Will Friedle]

Why is the baby five in like a year?

[Jeff Menell]

I listen, I don't know, you know, just be grateful we. We didn't focus on that in season seven because it didn't lead to a lot of convenience. Doesn't lead to a lot of comedy.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're right. Having a baby is. Yeah, agreed. And you're right, it is funny. I didn't even think about the fact that, like, Michael wanting the Matthews family to have four kids because his family had four kids. Yeah. Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

Ben was Michael, you know, I mean, so there's, you know, it just. It lent itself to some stories, I suppose. But, yeah, I'm glad we got rid of the baby.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Except for mentioning it, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Correct.

[Danielle Fishel]

Four children. Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

We were so happy you. And you mentioned him as well. To see Willie Garson in the wedding episode, we were wondering if you just had any fun stories or anecdotes about Willie or his relationship with Michael or. You know, we. We love him, and every time we've seen him on the show, it' been joyous to see. So we. We love Willie stories.

[Jeff Menell]

I love Willie. Anytime I see him on anything, I just. I always go, ah, Willie. You know, me and Matt saw him. We were at a. Me and Matt went to see a movie, and all of a sudden we see Willie and his son come out and we just. We just talked for about an hour, you know, I mean, just so Willie, it was just a great presence, you know, and he was such a great character. He was not. Not unlike the characters he played. He's just such a nice, lovable guy. I knew him. I think I told you this. It's weird. My. My parents bought his parents house in Jersey, but this is before Willie was even born, so. So I knew his parents before Willie was born. I didn't know Willie so much as a kid until he came out here, but. But he's been friends with Michael forever.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

You know, and then he came out here and he's had such. He had such a great career of just, Just. It was so sad. He was. I didn't even know he was sick. When. When I got the word, Matt texted me. He goes, willie passed away.

[Will Friedle]

What?

[Jeff Menell]

We. And we just seen him. I had no idea he was sick. So it's just this Guy, I mean, on Sex in the City and just so many other things, he was just great.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, he's special. He feels like a little bit of a good luck charm for Boy Meets World, you know?

[Jeff Menell]

He was. Yeah. I mean, he loved having him on the show and he directed an episode too. I don't know a boy. But he did have a girl.

[Danielle Fishel]

He did, a girl, yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah. And, you know, when he worked for Alan at the store, it's just. He's just funny. He's just. He's just. And he would come up to the writers room a lot because he was just so comfortable, you know, which is sort of Sankro Sank, you know, But Willie being in there was like, I don't know if he pitched, but he would just sit there and bring a good energy. So, yeah, I love the guy. Miss him.

[Rider Strong]

That's cool.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Now, at this point in season seven, you had seen many writers come and go. The core originals are even long gone, but Manelle remains. Was it like a prison yard? Did people have to bring you cigarettes to survive? Like, you know, what was. What was the feeling like in the room?

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, some of us were there for a long time. Yeah, I was there right from day one, but mostly in. You know, this is gonna sound self deprecating. I just had no aspirations. I mean, I never wanted to leave. I didn't know people did that, honestly. You know, when I came out here, I didn't always like to be a TV writer. I was just so happy to have the job. And every time we got picked up, you know, like you said, I fun every day. No, there was a lot of misery and a lot of dysfunction and a lot of, you know, just weird stuff that will never be disclosed. But I told you in the writer's room, the writers know more about you than my wife does, honestly. They know certain stories that would never get revealed to your mates just because that's the way it is. So. So new people came in and it was always kind of like, oh, I wonder what this is gonna be like. But it was never like, we don't like that writer. It was people left mostly on their own accord. Occasionally. Some people just weren't brought back. But every year, the writers room was like, ah, this is a great writer. You know, I'm like, this is a great writer. I mean, obviously the original for me was I was so new and everyone was, like, so experienced, and I was just happy to have to be accepted. And the. The final writers room, I mean, Matt. Yeah, Matt was There. And Tischler, I'm not gonna rename everyone, but that group was a great group then, and everyone. They were all good writers, and we all were all in a groove by that point. Everyone knew what. What to do with the characters, and we had dynamics and, you know. You know, whenever we wanna Mike, we had a roll going. And then Michael goes, oh, I'm gonna go take this call. We go, oh, no. There goes. All momentum was. There was all the, you know, shared misery and joy and love and. Yeah, but there was a real. Probably more bonding on the final season just because. Knowing, well, this is really it, you know, and so I'm not gonna see these people every day for a while. And it was a long while before I saw any of them, you know, so.

[Will Friedle]

I know. I know you loved everybody, but over the years, since you were there for the entire time, who was the writer you were saddest to see leave?

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, that's a good question. Well, I mean, obviously, when my, you know, I mean, I was close friends, you know, with Howard and. And Mark, you know, but, I mean, I knew they were. I knew they were going to leave at some point just because they were. They were really. They were on the train, right, doing well. This guy was, I guess, maybe not brought back after. And he was such a funny, interesting guy, and I really liked him. And he. He had. He. He was an experienced writer. I forget what show he had been on before. He brought a really unique, weak, quirky, did not fit in so well with the whole rest of the room. But for me, that was a charm. And he. He was really so nice. He tried to make me vegetarian one day, and I got sick.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, that'll never work in one day.

[Rider Strong]

You got sick.

[Jeff Menell]

We went out to a vegetarian restaurant. Me, him, and Howard, and I actually got sick.

[Will Friedle]

But anyway, that's what happens when you try to eat vegetarian.

[Jeff Menell]

I think we told you he was dressed up as a chicken. And because the people from Kukuru were coming to visit us because we ordered from them so much, the president of Kukuru came.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jeff Menell]

Glenn is walking down behind us on the lot with a sign saying, you know, save chickens.

[Danielle Fishel]

And how do we not know this guy? I love this guy.

[Jeff Menell]

I think Michael was outraged. We were sort of in awe. He had such nerve. Oh, this is another story. This is Glenn Werz's story. So we're writing, and this used to be in Bob Young's office this year for whatever we were writing. Bob Young. We come back, we go out, I think we had lunch at the commissary. We come back, and Glenn is in there, and he just has, like, a girl sitting with him on the couch. Doesn't explain it. Like, he brought a date to the writers room. It was like no one knew what to do with it. And he's pitching, and we're all going, who is she? I mean, she left after an hour, but he was. That. He was really.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did she say goodbye? I want to imagine, like, did she

[Will Friedle]

go, all right, guys, bye.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was good.

[Jeff Menell]

And you guys were like. We just went by and we all look at Glenn. I. I don't think anyone really addressed Glenn. Like, what was that? He was just really funny. So I. I felt genius. I felt bad and sad that. That he was gone. I haven't really spoken to him since, but he. He was a great.

[Will Friedle]

Was he only there for one season?

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, obviously the chicken costume sealed the deal with Michael. Michael was like, how dare you ruin my chances with the president of Kukaroo.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, that's kind of three times a week, honestly. Oh. Oh, we know.

[Danielle Fishel]

We. We remember. Kukuru is a forever boy meets world memory for me. I hear they're bringing it back.

[Jeff Menell]

What I was going to ask, do they still exist?

[Danielle Fishel]

No, it hasn't existed for a long time.

[Will Friedle]

Is it just in your dreams or where did you actually bring in Kukur back?

[Danielle Fishel]

No, I did. I heard. I don't.

[Jeff Menell]

You don't have to prove it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. I do.

[Will Friedle]

I do. You do.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. I'm waiting for Jensen to tell me because I know Jensen was one of the. Jensen was one of the people, I think, who had read it, actually. Jensen said Glenn Mercer looks like he did two seasons. Seasons.

[Will Friedle]

He did seasons two and three. He had two in season two and one in season three.

[Jeff Menell]

Okay, okay. Oh, so he came in late in season two and came.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

That's right. And Cuckooroo announced Get cluckin ready a year ago. What the clock does that mean?

[Danielle Fishel]

And it's been a year. So I'm. I've been clucking ready this entire time.

[Will Friedle]

I'm gonna be clucking pissed if this doesn't happen.

[Danielle Fishel]

Come on.

[Rider Strong]

Glenn Mercer wrote a book all about food. Food is climate. Yes. So. And he's written, like a health books. Oh, we should have him on our show.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, he. Yeah. Yeah. I would be curious what his take on Boy Be swirl was especially. You know, we will.

[Danielle Fishel]

We will get to the bottom of this.

[Will Friedle]

Get clucking ready, though. That was a year ago. And all the comments are like, I've been waiting a year and now I'm crushed. My. When are you guys opening already? Any updates? So it's been. It was 2024 when they announced that

[Rider Strong]

I distinctly remember the flavor of Kukaroo. I can remember, like, in a way that I don't think of other foods as completely agree.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know what that is. I can taste it. And I'm not normally one of those people where like smells or tastes bring me back necessarily to a moment. I can taste it. And it's. It's spectacular.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Jeff Menell]

The rest of this podcast talking about food because I have. Have you eaten?

[Danielle Fishel]

Are you hungry?

[Rider Strong]

Let's order. Let's order. Let's get the menus.

[Danielle Fishel]

Let's get dinner. Let's get dinner.

[Jeff Menell]

No, not dinner.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

Lunch.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know Jensen talked to you about this while prepping this show and we wanted to know what the couch scene, the tag, what the couch scene was supposed to be, had we not all ruined it and like us, you had no idea.

[Jeff Menell]

I should have looked up the old script. I'm sure I have it somewhere. But I obviously, I knew we were, you know. Well, that was the crazy episode with. With Eric.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Jumping out of the painting and, you know, it just kept building and building, building. We had to do something. I just assume it was going to be just to scare the hell out of those guys and them jumping off and. And that was going to be it. But we'll having trouble getting off the couch.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh.

[Jeff Menell]

I think is what just led to.

[Will Friedle]

I couldn't. I couldn't get my legs out. That's what everybody always asked me, like. And you see me just trying to get up and it was Velcroed.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

So I'm like in this thing and the bottom half from, like waist down is Velcroed. And I don't think. We obviously didn't rehearse with it throughout the week.

[Danielle Fishel]

Can I also say something? Your arms are inside the couch, obviously, so you can't lift your. You can't use anything for leverage to help yourself up.

[Will Friedle]

That's all core strength. And I got none of that. So it was like trying to kick my legs out. And. And then as I'm trying to get up, I almost fall into everybody. You can see me, like, Ryder, like, takes a step back. And so because of that, then by the time I stood up, I was done. Like, it was just getting up with such a chore.

[Jeff Menell]

We weren't getting through it. As you were getting off the couch. I Thought Ryder was going to break right there. But then it came back. But then. Then you guys broke, and then I think there was. So I don't think we ever got to whatever was originally written.

[Rider Strong]

Where did the scene go?

[Jeff Menell]

I don't think we did. I mean, I honestly that there's no way of knowing that. I just don't remember ever seeing what the finale was. I. I'll find the original script. Just see what it was supposed to. Well, that.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, that was. Our question is, do you think Michael would have let us leave without at least getting one take all the way through?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, when was. Yeah, I was gonna say, when was the decision made? You know what? This is better than any trying to piece me.

[Jeff Menell]

That was editing because, you know, when. When you go to editing, you know, let's see. Every take and adventure course probably was only one take without you guys laughing. That sucked. And we just. Probably just said, well, it's just. I think it's the only show we ever did outtakes, right?

[Will Friedle]

Actually, no, there was one other with Michael's kid. Michael's kid.

[Danielle Fishel]

So, yeah, in the honeymoon is over with Danny outtakes. The tag is outtakes of him saying, I see dead people. And then looking out and going, I did it. I did it.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

All right.

[Jeff Menell]

That's fun. Yeah. But you guys laughing out there. I was. I was just laughing because it was just. It was just so much fun to see. I just love. I love break when people break up. I love albums.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, me too.

[Danielle Fishel]

We do too. It's so much fun. But do you remember it being fun on the night or was.

[Jeff Menell]

It was pre tape day. I'm sure that was a pre tape

[Will Friedle]

day, and it was not the audience. Trina wanted to leave.

[Danielle Fishel]

Trina had a flight.

[Will Friedle]

Trina, she had a flight, and she was ready to go, and she was not happy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, she's the only one who doesn't laugh through the whole bloopers, because that's true.

[Jeff Menell]

I'm gonna. Rew.

[Danielle Fishel]

Had somewhere to go and a plane to catch. And she was like, guys, get it together.

[Rider Strong]

Gonna make it. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

But then that pressure only made it harder for like. Oh, God.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly.

[Jeff Menell]

I can't laugh. Of course you're gonna laugh. I mean, that was great. No, I love. I love. I love that. No, I don't remember. I'm sure we loved it. I. I don't care. At that point on tape night, you're there until it's done. I. I've never. I never once felt, oh, tape. I took forever. That's a Fun night. The energy of the audience. And when you guys laugh, the audience laughs. That's just the greatest thing. So. No, I'm sure we loved every moment of it. Except for Trina.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, Trina was like, I need to get on this plane.

[Will Friedle]

Please, please. She had actual places to be.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly. Do you remember the season seven wrap party?

[Jeff Menell]

I remember. I'm trying to remember where it was. Do you remember where it was? Do you remember where it was?

[Danielle Fishel]

We don't remember. It wasn't at Denim and Diamonds.

[Will Friedle]

No, that was season two.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

No, I'm two. I remember that one. Wait, let me think. Where the hell was. I do remember. We all took so many photos together and it was. It was great. I don't. I have no idea where it was.

[Will Friedle]

Ryder and I showed our video. So there was a giant video screen there, but I can't remember where. Like, what the actual venue was

[Jeff Menell]

we went to was something that was on third Street Promenade. Because I remember I went to see a movie before then. It was Goodwill hunting. So what? That's the final. If goodwill hunting came out the year rap, it was somewhere down there.

[Will Friedle]

Wait, you went to. You went to a movie right before the rap party?

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, I like the movie.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's awesome.

[Jeff Menell]

By myself and met everyone there. But I think. I think that might have been the final. I feel like it would have been a big to do, right? I mean, yeah, that's.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know. I have zero memory of any aspect of it. So.

[Will Friedle]

I remember pre party because I remember Ryder and I specifically going to Barney's because there were two people who didn't spend a lot of money on clothes. So we went to Barney's and like did it right. We each bought two Armani suits.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, really?

[Will Friedle]

And yeah, like, we styled it for the party.

[Jeff Menell]

You want a suit for the wrap party?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah. Like fly suits too. One of them was so moth ridden, I think I threw it away last year and it was this exact shirt. There you go. So I remember that and I remember us showing our video there, but I don't remember that where we went.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, you know what? I could find out, but I. I don't remember.

[Will Friedle]

There was a big outdoor driveway thing going up to it because Michael then opened the trunk of his car at the end and had watches for everybody. Oh, and I remember me. He enlisted me to help hand out and they were like. He opened the back of his car and they were. He had like 100 watches or whatever it was.

[Jeff Menell]

How much did you charge you?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, exactly. They were Very nice. I still have mine. Of course.

[Jeff Menell]

I still have mine, too. I haven't worn it in 30 years. Yeah, beautif. So.

[Will Friedle]

And it says for a good time. Michael on the back.

[Jeff Menell]

Yep.

[Will Friedle]

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[Jeff Menell]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

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[Jeff Menell]

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[Rider Strong]

Okay. I know there was one year where we did it at an arcade. We had a wrap party at like. We did one of the. Yeah, it was like one of those places that has like go karts and an arcade and batting cages. It was one of those places in the valley.

[Danielle Fishel]

Probably Camelot.

[Jeff Menell]

It was Magic Castle.

[Will Friedle]

No, not magic.

[Rider Strong]

It was.

[Will Friedle]

What's it called? Is that the one that's on Camelot? Yeah. Or whatever. There's a castle and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I do remember.

[Jeff Menell]

I don't. This was the rap party. This was either rap party or a Christmas party. Was at like Hollywood Billiards.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember that. I have. We have pictures of Adam Scott at the Adam Billiards party.

[Jeff Menell]

That's the one I missed.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Like a case of hiccups that wouldn't go away. I had to go to the er, so I missed that from the hiccups.

[Rider Strong]

What?

[Jeff Menell]

It was a 24 hour case of the hiccups to just not go away.

[Danielle Fishel]

Had you eaten vegetarian food?

[Will Friedle]

That's what it was. No meat.

[Jeff Menell]

I don't know what it was.

[Rider Strong]

Glad Mercer.

[Jeff Menell]

I went to the ER and I just kept hiccup. They gave me a shot of Thorazine which cured it immediately. And then I went home and they started up again. So anyway, I missed that part.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, gosh.

[Jeff Menell]

Anyway, sorry. Sorry for that side stuff.

[Will Friedle]

So many questions. I have so many questions.

[Danielle Fishel]

How is this not an Eric storyline?

[Rider Strong]

This does sound like an Eric thing.

[Jeff Menell]

So many questions.

[Rider Strong]

I couldn't make it to the Cory Topanga's wedding because of hiccups.

[Will Friedle]

Did it go away? So the Thorazine. And then it started again when you got home?

[Jeff Menell]

As soon as I got home, they start it start. It stopped immediately. Yeah. Thorazine is like antipsychotic. The nurse goes, we don't know why this works, but it does. And she goes, it's going to hurt. And it did, but it stopped immediately. I went home and as soon as I got home, they start up again. But I slept. It's all right.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Jeff Menell]

24 hours.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow.

[Jeff Menell]

I know.

[Rider Strong]

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[Jeff Menell]

Okay. Sorry.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Jeff Menell]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Whose heads do you put on it?

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, come on. I'm not doing that.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, come on. Michael Jacobs. Michael Jacobs.

[Jeff Menell]

I thought you meant of the cast. No, no.

[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Jeff Menell]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. No, no, not us.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, man. Well, yeah, of course.

[Rider Strong]

Michael Jacobs.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Jeff Menell]

Well, it's gonna. I mean, it's gonna sound like, you know, I don't want to be morbid, but, you know, put Arlene Grayson, because she was, you know, the very first producer. Got us going.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, man. Ray Colcord, you know, who did the music. I mean. And now you're gonna make me want to put Willie up there, too, because it's just a great homage that, you know. But I. I mean, there's so many people behind the scenes, you know, I mean, I love all our camera. You know, Ray Liu. I love all our camera guys.

[Rider Strong]

And.

[Jeff Menell]

But. But Karen McCain was such a great producer. I mean, we had Russell, you know, can we. Can we do two Mount Rushmores? There's so many people, you know, I mean, I'll be a mockery and say all the craft service people. I mean, that was.

[Will Friedle]

Hafer would have to be up there, I think.

[Jeff Menell]

Of course. Hafer. I mean.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

You know. You know, Dee. I mean, there's just God, Russ. I mean, because Rusty was in front of the camera, but he was also behind the scenes. But that was a little bit more, I guess, on Girl Meets World, but. Yeah, how about we just put four of Michael's. Making Michael his kids. That'll make him.

[Rider Strong]

That's a great answer.

[Will Friedle]

You still talk to Michael, right? You still talk to Michael, To Michael? He. Has. He listened to you on our show and has he come at you with any, like. No, no, no. This is what actually happened. Next time you go on, talk to them about this.

[Jeff Menell]

He's heard. He's heard me on the show. I think he was pretty happy with it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Good.

[Jeff Menell]

I don't think he said I said anything wrong historically, because honestly, I think, you know, when. If I said if I don't know something, I don't pretend.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Jeff Menell]

My memory is not, you know, I don't have the Blutman memory or Michael memory of every. Everything I remember, you know, a lot of great moments. But, yeah, I don't think you Said, you know, Manila, you're an idiot. That didn't.

[Will Friedle]

So no notes. You got no notes.

[Jeff Menell]

I didn't get any notes.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's impressive. That's impressive.

[Jeff Menell]

I know. I think. Which is good, because that's rare. I get nervous on these things, as you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. And you're so good. You're so, so good.

[Jeff Menell]

Thanks.

[Danielle Fishel]

Maybe not a Mount Rushmore name, but can you think of any many unsung heroes? Like you mentioned, Ray Liu, which we've talked about, our camera guys, but, like, someone like that. We have never interviewed one of our camera people. We tried Brian McKenzie. I. Who is. Was one of our, I think, season one camera operators, who I work a lot with now as a director. But even. Even you mentioning Glenn Mercer, like, that's the. You know. Are there any other names that we haven't shined a light on yet that you think we should. Someone. An unsung hero from the BTS of Boy Meets World?

[Jeff Menell]

Well, that's a. That's a good question. There's just so many people I know. Carlos would have. First of all, Carlos is interesting because, you know, he was. I think he started as McCracken's assistant. I mean, so he really. He's been on all different sides. And we. They wrote us like, a freelance episode and they came in the room. Carlos is a real character, man. He's. He's the coolest dude. But when I first started there, I was a little afraid of it because he had. He was like, so confident. Like, you know, he was so sick of writers and. But he was really. So when you won Carlos over, you felt like you were in. He was there from the beginning. Yeah. To the end, in different. In different capacities. You know, it was just a lot of. A lot of people. Anybody that came through, you know, you know, another. There's another writer who passed away, but Judy Toll was great. She was funny, she was fun, and, you know.

[Will Friedle]

What was your favorite season of the show?

[Jeff Menell]

That's a great question. I mean, probably the first. Just because it was.

[Rider Strong]

I.

[Jeff Menell]

My first TV writing job. I. I couldn't. I. I never lost the thrill. The whole season even. Even with horrible moments and getting yelled at and having scripts thrown out and this. That. The novelty of. For me, me growing up, loving TV and movies so much. Being on the soundstage where Mary Poppins was shot.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

You know, sharing an office with Jeff Sherman, who's. Father, Uncle. Sherman brothers. I mean, I was, like, thrown into this world and just being on the Disney lot. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

There was a magic to It.

[Jeff Menell]

It really. It was. It was. It was unbelievably magical for me, you know, with William Daniels, who I. You know, I can't believe I'm even talking to that guy. So that. That was. As far as fun goes, as far as quality goes. I don't know if I can pick one season. There's certainly episodes that, you know, we had great fun, you know, like, you know, Corey Wolf, you know, and stuff like that. And that's a Bloodman a Bus Gang episode. And, you know, and the final two and the last season and just, you know, I happen to. My name is on this one, but I love when Eric was the weatherman. You know, that was just fun. There's just a lot of great moments Every. Every season. There was never like a season like, I know you guys. I think someone said, oh, this is when the. The show went off the rails. But I don't. I don't have that feeling sometimes it got more serious than it used to be. But I think John Strauss called me in season four and said, when did the show become a drama? I go, I don't know. That might have been the ICU stuff, but every season just holds a special place, you know, my heart. Even though I don't remember a lot, I remember just loving it. But, yeah, the first season was so novel. Nothing could ever capture that for me again.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

One last question I want to ask you before we say goodbye. What are some fun movies or just great movie recommendations that you have for us right now? What do you think are so. Yeah, yeah. What do you think are some. I mean, they could be older movies, too. Just. Why don't you give me some movie recommendations that you think we should see?

[Jeff Menell]

Well, I mean, you know, I love movies. I mean, my favorite movie of all time is Raging Bull.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, there it is, right behind you.

[Will Friedle]

Funny movie, that.

[Jeff Menell]

Hey, we just watched Song Sung Blue. I don't know if you saw that.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, that's Kate Hudson.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

It was so good. That story is amazing. She's amazing. You know, I've seen some. I think I've seen every movie. Not. I'm missing two that were nominated this year. Love, Marty Supreme. Okay, but, I mean, if you want me to go all time, you know, I'm gonna tell you the Godfather and Meet Goodfellas and the. We saw. What's that one with Rachel McCabes? That's out right now. Oh, send help. We see that. That's a brutal. It's not for every. It's pretty much fun. I. You Know, I try to see everything.

[Danielle Fishel]

So maybe what about some less known movies? Like something you think people didn't get enough. Shine.

[Rider Strong]

Underrated. Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, in the. From the past.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, wow. Yeah. Or recent. Just any movies you think were like, you know, more people should have seen this and then. And they didn't.

[Jeff Menell]

All right, well, here's. Here's one. It's called the Life of Chuck with Tom Hiddleston.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Jeff Menell]

And an actor whose name I can't pronounce. I can't. It's a really beautiful film. I saw. I actually saw it on a plane. I'd heard of it. It didn't. It wasn't in theaters long. I think it's a beautiful movie. It's based on a Stephen King short story and it. I. I can't describe it because I don't want to ruin it for you, but it's sort of told in three different time segments and it's just a sort of. It really captures a lot of elements of movies. Movie Dim that. I love it. He's great in it. But that's like I say, the life of Chuck. If you look it up, you'll go, oh, I may have heard of this one, Ryder. You know, I haven't seen it, but

[Rider Strong]

I've definitely heard of it. But I haven't seen it.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, that. I thought that was beautiful.

[Danielle Fishel]

Have you seen Nirvana? The band, the show?

[Jeff Menell]

Not yet. Where is that? What is that?

[Rider Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, just go.

[Jeff Menell]

Yeah, it's on my list. I have. I make a list every week of what movies I want to see. See, that's. That's big up there. But yeah, okay, go see it.

[Will Friedle]

Go see it.

[Danielle Fishel]

And it's. It's also a little boy meets world. Inspired. So inspired. Inspired by Eric.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, for real?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, for real.

[Jeff Menell]

Well, 100 see it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Did you see Sentimental Value? That's also up for. Not a beautiful, beautiful movie with Stella Skarsgard and Elle Fanning and this one Norwegian actress who I'm in love with. I don't know her name, but beautiful, beautiful movie. Runaway Train. No, no. Train Dreams.

[Rider Strong]

Train Dreams. So beautiful.

[Jeff Menell]

Wasn't that beautiful?

[Rider Strong]

Oh, my God. Yeah, it's one of my favorite.

[Jeff Menell]

See that again. Actually, that's.

[Rider Strong]

Nolla is incredible. I've read it like four times and you can't make this into a movie. And then I saw the movie, I was like, oh, my God. You did. They did it.

[Jeff Menell]

Every shot of it is. It's just. It's. It's. Cinematographers should study it beautifully.

[Will Friedle]

Man, we're so different. I had a chance to watch a movie the other night, and I watched Under Siege 2 with Steven Seagal.

[Jeff Menell]

I saw that. So, like, the first time, by the

[Will Friedle]

way, first one was great.

[Rider Strong]

First one was great.

[Will Friedle]

The second one's unwatchable. And I watched, like, five times. Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

So very different. Find out. He's such an unlikable guy in life.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah. He's an awful person, but yes.

[Jeff Menell]

And he can't run. You ever see him run in the movies?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah, it's great. It's phenomenal.

[Jeff Menell]

Sorry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, Jeff, we love you so much. We are so happy that the podcast has given people an opportunity to get to know you a little bit the way we know you. And on our route, Mount Rushmore, Jeff Mannell is there.

[Will Friedle]

Jeff Mannell, 100%.

[Jeff Menell]

Well, in a black T shirt, I hope.

[Rider Strong]

And then Michael's kids. It's just Jeff Mannell and Michael's kids.

[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

It's KU Karoo, Jeff Manell and Michael's kids.

[Will Friedle]

Hiccups and Michael's kids.

[Jeff Menell]

That's all. That's it. All right. I'll be. Email you guys. We'll get together. Yeah, I'll send you that script if you really want to read.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, sure, Send it.

[Jeff Menell]

Great seeing you guys.

[Will Friedle]

And if you could. If you could. Honestly, if you could find the script where. With the cow scene at the end. We'd love to see how the scene was supposed to go.

[Danielle Fishel]

We would love to know that.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, we'd like to post that for people to see how the scene was supposed to go, because we don't remember at all.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

What's the name of that episode? I'll look it up and see.

[Danielle Fishel]

Is that Angela's Men?

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, yeah. When her father came to visit her.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, yeah. I have that somewhere. Okay, I'll find it. I'll find it.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, perfect.

[Rider Strong]

Cool.

[Jeff Menell]

And I'll bring it. I'll bring it to you. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you.

[Rider Strong]

Love you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Jack, great to see you.

[Jeff Menell]

Love you. Great seeing you.

[Rider Strong]

Bye.

[Danielle Fishel]

He's just the greatest.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God, he is. I get inklings of what it must be like with him in the writer's room, because it's probably like, you know, he's throwing out some good jokes and fun, and then he'll just go off on a tangent about something that is just. And then it's like, well, that has to be a story.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep, it's that kind of stuff. How was Eric being. Having the hiccups for 24 hours, not a storyline.

[Jeff Menell]

Oh, it's so funny.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God, yeah. How's going it that not work?

[Danielle Fishel]

I was dying. So funny. Oh, well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails podmeatsworldshowmail.com and we've got merch.

[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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