Julie Yang Silver Meets World

Summary

Pod Meets World – "Julie Yang Silver Meets World" (March 2, 2026)

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Hosts: Danielle Fishel, Rider Strong, Ben Savage
Guest: Julie Yang Silver (Costumer, “Boy Meets World”, industry veteran)

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Episode Overview

In this special episode, the “Pod Meets World” crew reunites with beloved costumer Julie Yang Silver. Julie was a pivotal part of “Boy Meets World” from seasons 3-7, shaping the iconic looks that are once again surfacing in pop culture. The hosts delve deep with Julie into her origin story, memorable wardrobe controversies, behind-the-scenes bonds with the cast, and her celebrated post-BMW career—from “Martin” and “Ocean’s Eleven” to “Breaking Bad,” “Vampire Diaries” and “The Mandalorian.” Expect candid talk about Hollywood double standards, creative battles, and nostalgia-fueled laughter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Julie’s Early Years & Path to “Boy Meets World”

• Julie began her journey attending FIDM for fashion before financial constraints led her to crash on “Tattoo Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills”—her entry into entertainment costuming (17:52).
• She connected with mentor Eddie Castro, paid her dues on long, low-paying days, and quickly climbed industry ranks, eventually unionizing and landing higher-profile gigs.
• Landing "Boy Meets World": Julie initially hesitated, doubting her experience, but was encouraged by colleagues and ultimately hired after pitching to creator Michael Jacobs (19:50). Her youth was both an asset and a challenge—she cut her hair to “look older,” not realizing her relatability was key.

"I think like a year into it, I remember asking Michael, I was like, why did you hire me? Like, well, I figured, you know, if I didn't like what you did, I just fire you."
— Julie Yang Silver (21:36)

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2. Costuming on “Boy Meets World”

• Julie joined the show around age 26, making her one of the youngest crew members (13:34).
• She immediately connected with the young cast, blurring lines between crew and friends.
• Early days went from “wholesome Midwest” vision boards to fighting for more fitting, stylish looks as the cast grew up.
• Julie became infamous among the cast for her cigarettes—which Danielle Fishel admits stealing for her very first smoke (15:45).

"The very first cigarette I ever had was one I stole from Julie. She had a pack of smokes in her bag, and… I think you knew I was stealing cigarettes from you, and you were just like, I'm not going to pay any attention to this."
— Danielle Fishel (15:45)

• The wardrobe was often dictated by executive vision, leaving little room for bold changes. Julie focused on comfort and confidence.

"He wanted...wholesome, very down to earth...the next Happy Days. Really normal, Midwest. Everybody wanted to be you."
— Julie Yang Silver on Michael Jacobs’ vision (23:53)

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3. Navigating Wardrobe Controversies & Challenges

• The cast discusses handling weight-related double standards for Danielle (Topanga) vs. Ben (Cory), and how the pressure intensified around pivotal moments like the wedding episode.

"Danielle was not heavy...she is still a size 2. Like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. But because of her stature and they were so used to seeing...she bloomed overnight. She wasn’t 11 anymore."
— Julie Yang Silver (39:14)

• Julie and producer Karen McCain fiercely advocated for Danielle’s well-being:
  • Fought to prevent negative messaging from reaching Danielle.
  • Insisted on wardrobe that protected her self-esteem (e.g., shawls instead of forced sleeves for prom/wedding episodes).

"We really tried to, like, hide that from her ... That could do so much psychological damage. This is so not worth it."
— Julie Yang Silver (41:35)

• The infamous "tankini episode" with Lindsay Ridgeway (Morgan): Julie recalls the care and controversy surrounding an outfit meant to appear “too grown up” for the character (46:08).

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4. Cast & Crew Camaraderie

• Julie’s fitting room became a hangout and “therapy place” for the cast; the closeness between Julie and the cast is a central theme throughout the episode.
• Stories abound: helping Ryder with adolescent transitions, supporting Ben and Will through heartbreak, and even refereeing their untidiness in the costume room.

"Your room at the time became like, our therapy place...When we were putting on weight, breaking up with girlfriends, doing all that stuff—we came to you."
— Ben Savage (43:36)

• In her words, Julie prided herself on being there for the cast but kept professional boundaries, never “partying” with them but offering support and kindness (43:58).

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5. Hollywood Stories & Career Progression

Working on “Martin”

• Julie describes intense and sometimes dangerous locations, including shooting in LA neighborhoods where street gangs called truces for filming (31:37).
• Martin Lawrence’s team was a collaborative process, with Julie primarily supporting Martin directly.

"Actors have...a lot of say in the colors and what fits. It's a collaborative effort, but you guys do have quite a bit of influence."
— Julie Yang Silver (33:43)

From Sitcoms to Stylish Blockbusters

• "Ocean’s Eleven": Contrasted the Disney “squeeze” with the huge budgets & talents of “Ocean’s.” Each A-lister was allowed only one personal “perk,” but the on-set vibe was unexpectedly friendly and democratic (52:19).

"I was thinking like, oh my gosh, we're going to be around a bunch of like, divas. No. So much fun."
— Julie Yang Silver (54:04)

• Emphasized the meticulous craftsmanship of Jeffrey Kurland (wardrobe designer), detailing how every item—even shoes—was custom-made (56:15).
• Julie describes enjoying 7-hour workdays due to Steven Soderbergh’s planning, efficiency, and clear vision.

Episodic TV and the “Mandalorian” Adventure

• Julie later contributed to “Nip Tuck,” “Breaking Bad,” “Vampire Diaries,” and more, developing skills in handling creative, obsessive showrunners and fast production turnarounds.
• For “The Mandalorian,” Julie—admittedly new to the Star Wars universe—describes the enormous, specialized costume departments, extensive research required, and the demanding dedication of the team (62:00).
• Details the complexities of “hero” costumes vs. “stunt” costumes, and how original Star Wars wardrobe inspired modern updates and gags.

"Being thrown into a world where...our entire costume department [was] specialty people making armor, someone specializing in aging and dying, painters, a rotating on-set crew. I'd never seen anything like it."
— Julie Yang Silver (63:35)

"There were so many...like on Mandalorian, all their jet packs and their helmets to make it functioning, you know, they couldn’t be made the same as the on-camera ones."
— Julie Yang Silver (71:32)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On fighting for cast self-image:
  “We really tried to hide that from her…that could do so much psychological damage. This is so not worth it.” — Julie (41:35)
• On behind-the-scenes fun:
  “I loved that family feel...Your room became like our therapy place.” — Ben Savage (43:36)
• On career perspective:
  “Every project was special in its own way, but I would say it would be a tie between Boy Meets World and Nip Tuck. I grew up in Boy Meets World.” — Julie (72:24)
• On Star Wars costume pressures:
  “If you mess up one night sister or ventress or anybody, people are going to be like, well, that's wrong. Yeah, that's...what are you thinking?” — Ben Savage (68:38)
• On the legendary cast of “Ocean’s Eleven”:
  “I was thinking, oh my gosh, we’re going to be around a bunch of divas—no. So much fun. Brad Pitt…would stop, hold the door open for you…” — Julie (54:04)

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Timestamps for Key Sections

• Julie’s Origin Story: 17:52–23:53
• Smoking Confession & Early Crew Memories: 15:45–16:43
• Creative Direction & Costuming Challenges: 23:53–36:00
• Fighting for Danielle’s Well-being: 38:30–43:36
• Martin & Production Drama: 31:14–33:43
• “Ocean’s Eleven” & Movie Styling: 52:19–58:35
• Transition to Episodic & Prestige TV: 59:05–61:37
• “The Mandalorian” and Star Wars World: 61:54–71:32
• Reflection on Career & Impact: 72:01–73:48

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The Heart & Takeaway

Julie is revealed as much more than a wardrobe supervisor—she was confidante, advocate, and guardian for young stars coming of age under the spotlight. The cast’s affection for her is palpable, and her candid stories illuminate both the challenges and the behind-the-scenes warmth of a '90s TV juggernaut. The episode also offers a window into the escalating scale of Hollywood costuming, from modest sitcoms to today’s blockbuster fantasy series, all navigated with Julie’s humor, resilience, and heart.

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For “Boy Meets World” fans and pop culture nerds alike, this episode is a treasure trove of nostalgic stories and industry insights, all told with warmth, honesty, and a sense that even decades later, those bonds are still magical.

Transcript

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So I recently met an old friend, started dating this guy and it was one of those experiences that I. You don't have as you get older where you just like immediately bond with somebody. You're like, oh, we're going to be friends. We're going to.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just like.

[Rider Strong]

And so he and I just started. He's a cinematographer and a director and has worked in the industry forever. Started as a camera operator. Anyway, we were like just having that, like we had two days at a convention and we were just having so much fun talking. And at one point he goes, you know, I worked with, I worked with Will Friedel. And I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's telling me this story. He worked on Go Fish with you. He was a camera operator on Go Fish, the show that you did. After he told me the funniest story, he's like, you know, he's like, there was, there was a, there was a young woman who was a. I think she was a stand in or maybe a guest star. And he's like, and there's Will. He's like the handsomest, coolest guy with the teen bead hair and everything. And he's asking me for advice, how do I talk to this girl? And he was like, it was so adorable. I was like, no, that sounds like Will. That's Will. He's like, I just remember being like, dude, like you're asking me like, I can't help you. Like, you gotta just talk to her. But apparently we're trying to like talk to some girl on set and you. And he was like, just baffled. But he loved you. He was like, yeah, Will and I had a great time. It was so fun to hang out with Charles. I actually don't know his last name, but yeah, but he was the nicest guy. And like, that's good.

[Ben Savage]

First of all, we're going to blow past the fact that you're out there making new friends.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, are you surprised?

[Rider Strong]

What do you mean?

[Ben Savage]

But it's just. It still hurts occasionally. I mean, when you realize that we're not enough for you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, well, no, but you should know that because he has the opportunity to hang out with us and never. We are on the road. You think, well, who else would you hang out with? Guess what the answer is.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Almost anyone.

[Ben Savage]

Anyone else is the answer for Ryder. Anyone else. Be like, hey, you guys, I spend

[Rider Strong]

a lot of time with you.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, you don't.

[Rider Strong]

Yes, I do.

[Danielle Fishel]

We're just. We're here to tell you. No, you don't.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, you guys don't come out with me. I'm always like, after. After a show. I'll be like, hey, let's go get a drink. Let's go get some food. And you guys are like, I'm going to my room, I'm ordering in, and I'm going to sleep.

[Julie Yang Silver]

30.

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[Danielle Fishel]

Also, that's not true. We do that. When you're like, I'm going out with my friend. You don't even invite us to go along with you. So we go, okay, then I guess Will and I will go to bed separately.

[Rider Strong]

Separate.

[Ben Savage]

Separately. Let's throw that in there.

[Rider Strong]

Separately.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, I agree.

[Rider Strong]

Anyway, I thought it was funny to make a new friend and then have a story that went back to 2000. Will friedle that. I was like, that's exactly my friend Will. Like, you know him well, I can't.

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I don't.

[Ben Savage]

I can't talk to girls. And luckily now I don't have to. Susan.

[Danielle Fishel]

Susan.

[Rider Strong]

Which is.

[Ben Savage]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Do you find it easy to talk

[Ben Savage]

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[Danielle Fishel]

How do I talk to my wife?

[Rider Strong]

Come on, man. I like this.

[Ben Savage]

I want her to go on a date with me. I'm still convinced. I just like to let her know that, you know, I try to keep her down as much as possible because if she finds out that she can do better than me, which she can, I'm screwed. She's out. So I just try to make her feel like, you know, this is the best you can do, knowing full well she could throw a stone and hit somebody better than me. So, yeah, hopefully.

[Danielle Fishel]

She did marry you, though, so that's a good sign.

[Ben Savage]

That's true. That's true.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah.

[Ben Savage]

It's usually a good sign that it can work. That it'll work out. So that's good.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

This Past Month, a TikTok video from creator Nicole Story Dent went viral where she was walking through her local department store and noticed something very familiar. The mannequins displayed on the floor were wearing outfits that looked almost exactly like clothing seen on Boy Meets world. Shawn, Corey, Mr. Feeny, even Minkus. She matched the looks with screenshots from the show and it was mind blowing. Now is then, Then is now. We are all connected. That's right. Thirty years later, time is a flat circle and now it appears our classic 90s wardrobe is again in style and being marketed to young kids and adults prepping for sp. How does that happen? How do short sleeve shirts on top of long sleeve shirts and sweater vests with military style fuzzy collared jackets and wool professor blazers find themselves available in 2020 six decades later? That's the work of a good costumer. A few seasons back, we talked to the great Sarah Moskowitz, who was a driving force in getting us out of those XXL shirts and into clothes that actually fit. But from seasons three through seven, there was another name we remembered fondly, and that is this week's guest, young enough to be a part of our crew. She came from the world of Martin Lawrence, working on his stylistically forward sitcom and movies, and then joined us and stayed through the finale. And since those days, her resume is chock full of projects cooler than Boy Meets World. We've got Vampire Diaries, Breaking Bad, Ocean's Eleven, American Horror Story, and recently a show that earned her an Emmy nomination, Star the Mandalorian. How she was unable to get us cast as Stormtroopers, we will never know. And so now we are excited to welcome a crew favorite to Pod Meets World. The reason our costumes are now, years later, hip with the kids. It's Julie Yang. Silver. Julie, are you there?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yes. Hold on, hold on. Oh, my God.

[Rider Strong]

It's so good to see you.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you so much for being here. You have not changed a single day. You look exactly the same.

[Rider Strong]

Everybody looks the same when they're so good.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Look at you guys. Hi.

[Rider Strong]

We're so now.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, it's been, like, 25 years.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've seen you since the show ended. Right. Like.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah, no.

[Danielle Fishel]

So 26 years. 99, really. I mean, the show went off in 2000, but.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, my gosh, Will,

[Danielle Fishel]

We are so happy to see you. And I want you to know, like, 95% of our memories of you involve the idea that you were very, very cool. So will you please set the record straight? Were you very cool?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I was very cool. I felt so close to your age. I thought you guys were amazing. And, And, I mean, there's a whole story behind it. I mean, I look back now, and I'm like, holy crap. I was 26.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Which is so weird because it felt like I was so much older.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

You know, and you guys really weren't. I mean, I wasn't that much older than you. Especially you, Will.

[Rider Strong]

No, you were the same age as.

[Ben Savage]

Wait, so you were 26 when you started or when you finished?

[Julie Yang Silver]

No, I think I was. I was 26 when I started, because I think it was. Yeah. In 90.

[Danielle Fishel]

You started in, like, 96? Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

You. I mean, I was not that much older.

[Julie Yang Silver]

No.

[Rider Strong]

So I was 16 then. And Will would have been like, what, 20?

[Ben Savage]

20, 21. Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

So funny. I, I. There was one of the first things I said when we were talking about having you on and. And Jensen was asking about, you know, things that we remember than any other crew member. It felt like you were just our age.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, 100%.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, Julie, you must have been the youngest crew member then, right?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I was. I don't know if you guys recall, but I went and got my U.S. citizenship, and I went and got.

[Ben Savage]

I.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was on a Friday night we were taping, and I went and got sworn in. And then I came back to the show, and we were just started, and I was like, yeah, I'm legit. And I had, like, my little thing. They put me on camera, and I was like, this is so weird.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's right. So it would have been a Thursday night, because we taped on Thursday.

[Julie Yang Silver]

That's right. It would have been a Thursday night. But I just remember it was the best time with you guys.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So it really was so much fun. Another thing I have to talk to you about because, again, I've been so excited to have you on, and we. We have talked so much on our podcast, so much about Will and I smoking. I think I'm now at the ripe old age of 44. I think I'm old enough to admit to my mother, oh, geez. The very first cigarette I ever had was one I stole from Julie.

[Rider Strong]

Corrupting the youth.

[Danielle Fishel]

She had a pack of smokes, like, in her bag, and I was like, oh, were you. Was it Marlboro Reds?

[Ben Savage]

No, they were lights.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Lights. Yeah. I remember going out with Will, and we would be like, outside. Be like, all right, let's have a cigarette.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I. You were, like, away from your bag, and I think you knew. I think you kind of knew I was stealing cigarettes from you, and you were just like, I'm not going to pay any attention to this, but I

[Rider Strong]

leave my bag open on the path.

[Danielle Fishel]

My first cigarette I ever had was one I stole out of your bag and then smoked alone like a weirdo who has their first cigarette, like, when they steal and then smokes alone like a total weirdo. But I did just. I. I have. I have thought of you many a times over the years when you wake

[Ben Savage]

up in the morning coughing, Right. I often think of Julie Julian.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was so weird because I saw you had changed your last name, and so I sent you, you know, an insta message. I think it was, like, two or three years ago. And then when this whole thing came up, I saw you responded. You were like, oh, my God, I

[Danielle Fishel]

never saw this so funny on Instagram.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I don't remember.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, well, I. I just wrote to you on Facebook.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah, mine was on Facebook.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Because when. When. When we. When we talked about wanting to have you on, I said, let me see if I can find her on Facebook. And then I found you on Facebook and saw your message and was like, hey, just seeing this, which was the truth.

[Ben Savage]

Danielle's got a history of maybe not seeing messages so much on Facebook, so I know.

[Danielle Fishel]

We are so happy to have you here. I have to know. I want to jump into how. What is your costuming origin story? What did. How did you get the job on Boy Meets. Boy Meets World? Your first job? How did you start at such a young age?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Okay, so I did go to a fashion school for, like, a year. I couldn't afford it, and I ended up just. I was going to merchandise Marketing. And I was at fidm. Couldn't afford my second year. So then I was like, okay, well, I'm just going to keep working in the industry. Cut to a couple of years later, I was dating this guy who was a stage manager, and the company I worked for went under. And so he was like, hey, do me a favor. Can you bring me this, you know, this thing that I left at my house? And I was like, yeah, sure, no problem. So I go and I drop it off. And he introduced. It was back in the. Oh, my gosh, the Power Ranger era.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Entertainment. So it was a show called Tattoo Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills.

[Ben Savage]

Awesome show, awesome show, awesome show.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I ended up meeting the designer there and Eddie Castro, who was phenomenal, and him. And I just kind of hit it on. And he was super great. And he was like, oh, will you come help me on something? And I was like, yeah, sure. And he's like, I'll pay you $100. And at that time, I wasn't working. I was actually helping out in my parents restaurant. And so I was like, sure. Come to find out, it was like 16 hours.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, oh, for a hundred dollars.

[Julie Yang Silver]

100 bucks. But I had the best time. I. And it was like a commercial. So there was like, food Galore Catering. I was like sucked in by the food and. And I thought, oh, well, this looks

[Rider Strong]

like fun craft service. Gotcha.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's how they get you.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Totally did. It went really quick. I was really lucky. Got started with him, and within about a year, I got into the union.

[Ben Savage]

Amazing.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And I was working for an actor that I decided not to go back to work with him. And my friend Eddie calls me up and he was like, hey, they're looking for, you know, like a supervisor slash designer on this kid show called Boy Meets World. I'm like, you've gotta be me. Like, I haven't done this for very long. I've like, supervised. I've been doing this for maybe two years. Ops. And he was like, no, I think you should go do it. So we did a whole board and everything. And I was so nervous.

[Rider Strong]

So you had to. You had to kind of audition ideas of. Oh, that's so cool.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, yeah, I had to kind of, you know. And so I came in and met with Michael Jacobs.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And I was completely nervous. And I was thinking, there's no way, you know, I mean, I remember at that time I even had. I had cut my hair short because I looked so young and nobody was taking me seriously. And so I went in and Michael was like, yeah, okay. And he had, you know, very strong ideas about, oh, what he wanted you guys to be in.

[Rider Strong]

Right?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. And everything. So I was like, okay, it's, you know, I get to go shop. You know, I think I can do this. And lo and behold, you know, I did, and he hired me. And I was like, why in the world did he hire me? Like, I had hardly anything on my resume, let alone even design. You know, I don't even. I don't have that. Creative. Creative, like, because most designers are, like, kind of crazy, but the irony is

[Rider Strong]

that you're trying to look older by cutting your hair, but the reality you. But you being younger was probably an asset.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was. Yeah, it was. And I think, like. I think like a year into it, I remember asking Michael, I was like, why did you hire me? Like, well, I figured, you know, if I didn't like what you did, I just fire you. Yeah, there you go.

[Rider Strong]

That's about right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Before we get too into our time on Boy Meets World, I got very into the look of the Beverly Hills alien fighters. When I was doing some research on you and Will and Ryder, I would like for you to take a look at some of these. And Julie, could you please tell us the inside story on some of these costumes. Let's go to the picture.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, my gosh. Whoa.

[Ben Savage]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Whoa.

[Ben Savage]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

These are the tattooed teenagers from Beverly Hills. Oh, my God.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Aliens.

[Ben Savage]

Oh, yes.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Okay. So I was helping. I actually didn't design that. That was from edd was designing it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Ben Savage]

Magical.

[Julie Yang Silver]

That was like, back in the days of, like, the power ranges. So, yeah, anything that was, like, fitted, that showed off everything. It was kind of crazy.

[Danielle Fishel]

So for our dear listeners who maybe don't see this right away, it is latex.

[Rider Strong]

Just skin type latex.

[Danielle Fishel]

Skin tight latex with arm muscles, like, glistening.

[Julie Yang Silver]

But the.

[Danielle Fishel]

The, like, body oil glow is also all over the latex. So it's just like. And then there's masks. Are they also latex masks?

[Julie Yang Silver]

They were kind of latex masks, but that stuff gets really, like.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And hot. So they had to make it so it was more like something they can just pull over. And we put the latex over that to help fit it. Yeah, I mean, back in those days, it was like you suffered, you sucked it up and you just did it Right.

[Ben Savage]

Now, were any of these looks on your vision board for Boy Meets World? Because I can see Sean, I can

[Rider Strong]

see Matt Lawrence could have pulled off some latex. He could have.

[Ben Savage]

That would have been great.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I think I would pitch for Corey, you know, but.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Rider Strong]

Do you remember what you pitched? Do you remember what your. What your board looked like?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, my gosh. It was very. He wanted. I mean, it was back in the whole, you know, tgif. So it was all about wholesome. Very down to earth. I mean, you guys were like the next, like, Happy Days, right? Really normal, you know, Midwest. Like, everybody wanted to be you. So that was what the idea of Disney was doing.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you get Boy Meets World, Michael hires you, because worst case scenario, he's

[Ben Savage]

gonna fire you today in front of everyone.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I kept thinking for, like, I want to say the first three was like, he's gonna fire me. Right? Like, this is.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm not gonna hold this job.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm not the rest of the time.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh. That's unbelievable. When did you then start working with the red hot Martin Lawrence?

[Julie Yang Silver]

That was when I first. It was same thing with Eddie. He called me up and he was like, hey, I'm doing this little showtime thing. Come do it with me. And I was like, oh, okay. And so I went. We were like, out in the desert and stuff like that. So then that finished, and then he was like, oh, I'm doing this other, you know, show. And that show was the one that turned union. And I got in the union, but it was literally just Eddie, me, and I think I hired. I hired my friend who I ended up firing because she didn't show up one day.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, no.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, yeah. It was like back in the days, like, you did everything. I mean, I think at one point I even. We had a pool scene, and I. The wind was blowing, and the actress was on a raft, and I actually got in the water with a straw to hold her in place because I was the smallest one and I would fit underneath.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Julie Yang Silver]

No, it was a fun. It was a fun show. I think I even have a little cameo in it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Julie Yang Silver]

No, it was cool. Is that. It was. It was really funny. I had my headset on, and they were like, you're gonna be one of the Go Go dancers at the club. So they harnessed me up high, and I'm on my walkie, and I'm like, telling people, like, no, no, no, no. Get his outfit off. Get his hat off. So there's, like, quick shot. I. I haven't seen it. I think I decided to blur that away. I was like, 24 years old, right? We blur.

[Ben Savage]

We blur a lot of stuff, too, Julie. We blur a lot of Stuff, for sure. Don't worry about it.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you. You did all of that before you joined Boy Meets World?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. Yes. And then from there, I went to work on his TV show, and then I did Nothing to Lose with him and Tim Robbins, who I love. Tim was fabulous. Oh, so great.

[Ben Savage]

I think one of the kind of underrated films of the 90s. I'm not joking.

[Rider Strong]

I don't know this film.

[Ben Savage]

Oh, Nothing to Lose is so great. So Martin Lawrence, he plays a carjacker who Tim Robbins comes home and he finds he sees his wife, Kelly Preston, having an affair, and he just walks out of the house and he drives and he gets carjacked by Martin Lawrence. And he looks at him and he just goes, man, did you pick the wrong guy on the wrong day? And just takes off with the carjacker in the car. And it's the adventure that they then have together. And it is just. So it's Oudekerk. It's. Yeah, Steve Odenkirk. No, not. Not Bob Steve. Steve Otkirk.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Julie, I hate to do this. I am on the road touring with the Dancing with the Stars tour. So I'm gonna hop off because I have the bus is waiting for me downstairs to head to the venue. The guys are going to finish the interview with you. We need to catch up. Even if we can't see each other face to face for a while, we need to catch up. I'd love to talk to you over the phone. So I'm so mad that I have to miss the rest of this interview,

[Ben Savage]

but she has to go. But Ryder and I are going to do a much interview, so don't worry about it.

[Bowen Yang]

So much fun.

[Danielle Fishel]

All right, I love you guys. Bye.

[Ben Savage]

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[Ben Savage]

I want to keep talking about Martin because at the time this show was like a cultural phenomenon, the Martin Lawrence Show. And one of the reasons, I think, was because of the look of the show. There was a, even the opening title sequence, there's kind of pastel looks and there was a vibe to Martin. And how much of that did you contribute to when it came to the look of the characters?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Honestly, I personally did not. But my because my job was just to Take care of him. I worked with him on Thin Line Between Love and Hate. That's the show that ended up going union. I mean, the day we turned union, I think the gangs. We were shooting in a very bad area. And there was a truce called between, I think, the Crips and the Blood for us to be able to film there. And then we had a bunch of delays and health issues that Martin went through. And they. The Crips and Blood got really kind of pissed and basically said. They gave us, like, I think, like a time frame. And the day that we strike to term union or the neighbors all came out and they were like, you guys need to get out before sundown because they're gonna start taking potshots at you. I mean, literally, the producers came by. I'm. We're like, grabbing the stuff, and the producers, like, yelling at me, get in your car and leave. And I was like, but there's still some clothes. I gotta get the dressing, the set dressing. Like, get in your car and leave now. And yeah, it was. We didn't realize that because we had this huge cast, like Bobby Brown and, you know, obviously Martin. And it was a. It was a fabulous show. But we had several delays and they did not want us there. They did not want us in that neighborhood, and they wanted us out. So then after that, that's when I went to go work on Martin and I basically just took care of him. I made sure that, you know, everything that he needed. I don't know about you guys, but, I mean, actors have. They do have a lot of say in the colors and, you know, what fits. I mean, obviously it's a collaborated effort, but you guys do have quite a bit of influence.

[Rider Strong]

Well, it's funny because I don't think we thought we did back on Boy Beats World. Like, I feel like we, like Will and I definitely did not have any taste or opinions. So was that a good thing for you or was. Did you do like you. Do you remember, like, dressing us and just telling us what to wear or what was your relationship?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I remember dressing you guys and telling you guys what to wear. I also remember at different parts, I was like, is there something different? Like, how do you feel about this character? And Will would just be like, eh, it's fine. Let's throw a misletter. You know, that's pretty much it. And then for you, it was more of like, oh, another T shirt. Okay. With another thing.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

You know, we kind of went through the Little more eclectic. Trying to make it a little more you know, cool. And Will was just like sweater and regular button down shirts and, you know, so it was. We could not go too far out. I mean, we were really dictated a lot by that. Wholesome.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, right, right. So was it creatively satisfying at all or was it just sort of like a fun job, you know, in terms of being able to. The set and the dynamics?

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was a fun job. There were times that. Do you guys remember what was that episode that we did with like World War II?

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Like, that was a lot of fun.

[Rider Strong]

Right, right.

[Ben Savage]

We did have a couple kind of out when you were there. A couple out of the box ones. We did the black and white one, like the Casablanca one, and we did the 50s. Were you there for the 50s one or did you came after the 50s one?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I came after the 50s one and

[Ben Savage]

you did the World War II. So you did the 40s and then. Yeah, okay. It was. We did. And especially for my character, there was a lot of times where they were putting me in some pretty weird. Like we just watched the honeymoon episode where I'm a coconut at one point. And so that was. That must have been interesting, especially by season six and seven to get a script. And it's like, oh, Will's a tree, Will's a couch, Will's.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Well, it was kind of like if they were gonna make anybody anything, it was gonna be Will.

[Rider Strong]

Right, Right.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah, I know, I know. And it's also a very, you know, within like, what, that five years, four years was hard to keep going. I mean, you guys were growing up, right? You know, started to actually really find your own identity and what you liked and, you know, and. But we still had to keep your character the same. But you guys had all grown out of that.

[Rider Strong]

Right, Right. So do you remember watching us go through awful adolescence and awkward faces and. I mean, because it's so funny, because in my mind I thought of you as somewhat of a contemporary, like you were, but I must have been so. I mean, here I was like 17, talking to you. Like, I mean, do you. Do you remember. What do you remember about us personally? Like, having to listen to our dumb love life problems or what? What was it like?

[Julie Yang Silver]

No, I remember, Will, when you were dating Jennifer and we went through that. Oh, gosh. And I remember when Matthew came in and you guys went too. That singing.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, the singing, the dancing in front of the audience. Yep.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Huh. And then, you know, and I remember for a writer, like, when Trina came along, she was so much older and having that Kind of dynamic. And it was just like, wow, he's. You know. And you did it beautifully.

[Orderly Meds Host]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I think the most that I remember was more for Danielle.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Because she was, you know. And I related more to her just because she was a female and a young teenager growing up and. And society and. Oh, my gosh, there were so many discussions, heated discussions about her wardrobe or. Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And that Karen, the producer. Karen.

[Ben Savage]

Karen McCain would.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. She was a huge. Danielle advocate. And her and I. She would back me up, and we would go against Michael, and he would just be like, well, no, I don't. Like, I was like, you're never gonna open your mouth and ever say something like that again. We will take care of it.

[Rider Strong]

Right?

[Julie Yang Silver]

We will. It's like, it. You know, there's this whole, like, image. Right. And how people looked and on camera, it does add weight. You know, when you're of short stature, it definitely. Things change. And so that part, we had a tiptoe.

[Ben Savage]

Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that, because one of the things Danielle talked about, and I'm sure she would have brought it up if she was not doing awesome things with amazing people around the world instead of us. We don't hold a grudge if, you know, obviously, I put on a bunch of weight towards the end. Danielle put on a little bit of weight towards the end, but of course, it was all about how she put on so much weight. And one of the things she talked about was during the wedding episode, specifically, she remembers that she was allowed to, quote, unquote, help pick the dress, but none of them were allowed to be sleeveless.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Ben Savage]

And she thinks that one of the reasons that that was is because certain powers that be thought that she looked too heavy to show her arms bare. Is that in fact what happened?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yes, it is. Geez.

[Rider Strong]

So you were just constantly having conversations about.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I was, yes. It was constant conversation. And the thing was, Danielle was not heavy.

[Rider Strong]

No, no. That's what we're looking at it going, oh, my God.

[Julie Yang Silver]

That's what I was trying to explain to them. I was like, she is still a size 2. Like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. But because of her stature and they were so used to seeing. Because you. She bloomed overnight. I think by the time when I started, she had grown outwards, and she wasn't 11 anymore.

[Rider Strong]

That's what happens.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Exactly. But that was the thing, though, was that, you know, Danielle's not very tall. So if you are bustier and you're not very tall, you're going to look larger. And. But she wasn't. Like, you guys saw her every single day. She was not large at all.

[Ben Savage]

Well, that's the thing we talked about is she put on probably. She said, like, maybe eight pounds, nine pounds. I put on 30.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Well, nobody really cared.

[Ben Savage]

That's what I mean is nobody.

[Rider Strong]

That was the thing that was so amazing. That's a double standard, right?

[Ben Savage]

Was there ever a standard stand about my weight gain and changing my clothes? Or they were just like, they don't care. They don't care at all. Let him go be funny. He'll put on a bigger shirt. We're fine.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Exactly.

[Ben Savage]

But, Danielle, there were conversation after conversation about.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I remember specifically. Oh, and then, like, trying to hide Trina's pregnancy. But you guys remember episode.

[Rider Strong]

Which one?

[Julie Yang Silver]

The Prom.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Okay. So Trina is, like, seven months pregnant. So, you know, so we're trying to hide that. And. And it was the same thing for Danielle where she needed sleeves. And I was like, no, that's gonna look ridiculous for prom. Like, absolutely ridiculous. So we ended up, you know, we did a shawl. And I remember Karen and I, we really went up to bat for that one. And we. I think Karen and I, mostly Karen, too, was just like, you will never, ever. We don't want to ever hear anybody say anything to Danielle about this.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Ben Savage]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

I was going to ask, does she have any. Was she aware of any of these discussions?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I think she knew, but we really tried to, like, hide that from her in terms of. Because, you know, she's a teenager, like, that's going to get in her head. And that was the thing that Karen and I were both saying, was that she is a young, young woman, and that could do so much psychological damage. And this is so not worth it.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

You know, so we were treading very, very lightly. And, yeah, there were some. And I'm sure, you know, Danielle knew and, you know, because I remember there were times when she would, you know, we would do sweaters, and she would be like, I look so huge in this. And I was like, honey, that is an extra small.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah, right. You know, and it was just being on camera, like, back then, like, we videotaped it, so it really did add more. And with, like, certain camera angles and stuff, you know, it just made her look more compact.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

But when you saw her in person, she was not even remotely close.

[Ben Savage]

No, no. We just watched the honeymoon episode, and one of the things we talked about was the fact that she comes out in A negligee. She's kind of naked under the. Under the COVID She's doing all the. And I said. I was like, how. Four or five episodes from now, we do an episode about how you've put on so much weight? I mean, again, at that point, I was used to it, so. And I was a guy and I was funny, so it didn't matter. But as America's sweetheart, it was one of those things where we looked at her and it was like, how. How could they look at what you look like there and be like, we got to do an episode about how you've put on weight. Like, what. How are we seeing the same thing? But that's also. I will say to your credit, that's also where being closer to our age than almost anybody else on the set that we were. I mean, that you. There were PAs and people on the set like that that were closer to our age, but you don't really spend a lot of time with them. And it's not as intimate a relationship as somebody who's dressing you. And we're doing fittings and you're doing. And your room at the time became like, our therapy place.

[Rider Strong]

It's a cool hangout spot.

[Ben Savage]

We would go and hang out with you. You and I would go smoke cigarette. I remember you mentioned love, and when I broke up with. I remember you. Wouldn't you like to help me through that? I mean, it was. That was one of those things where we just. We. We hung out. We all hung out. And so it was when we were putting on weight, breaking up with girlfriends, doing all that stuff.

[Rider Strong]

That's.

[Ben Savage]

We came to you. That was like, the room where we hung out.

[Julie Yang Silver]

That. You guys are one of the main reasons why I loved doing what I did in. In all honesty, like, I loved that family feel and everything, but I also tried to really make it so, like, I never, you know, I didn't go out and party with you guys because I knew that you guys would be going out afterwards, and I'd be like, oh, no, I think that's super. Crossing the line. And then. But I was still just like, okay, you know, whatever you guys needed, I would be there. I mean, Ryder, you were talking about, you know, going through that transition and everything, and watching you guys grow up, like, watching you guys, like, throw your clothes on top of the closet when you're done, and we're trying to, like, jump up there to get your. You know, by the end, I think they finally, like, begged you, like, please, Ryder, just. And you would just like, okay, you would fold him and then put them on the thing. Then, Then we finally got him to just at least throw it on the floor. It was, yeah, it became like this game all of a sudden. And poor Cheryl, who was taking care of you guys, was just like, that's right. I need, I need a step stool because they keep throwing it on of top.

[Ben Savage]

Top.

[Julie Yang Silver]

They keep throwing on top of their closet.

[Rider Strong]

My God. I remember specifically being like, I had to hang up my clothes. Like, I, I remember being taught, like. And so by the time I was like, 17, 18, I was like, okay, I'm going to hang up. But I also very specifically remember it being like a game where Ben would throw his shirts off and throw them as far as he could. Oh, my God. Oh. Just to piss you guys off. I feel like.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Well, and Cheryl loved Ben and so she would have done anything. And I would be like, like, do I need to talk to him? And she like, no, no, no. He's just being a boy. No, we.

[Ben Savage]

There's one other word we've heard quite a bit on this podcast, and I think it's the same word Ryder's going to say.

[Rider Strong]

Yep.

[Ben Savage]

So let's say it at the same time. Ryder. One, two, three. Tanky.

[Rider Strong]

Tankini. Does this ring a bell? Does this ring a bell for Morgan?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So we just watched the episode and it where Lindsay Ridgeway, who was playing Morgan, goes on their first date at 13, and there's a whole scene where her dad, Alan Rusty, freaks out about the fact that she's wearing a tankini. And we had Lindsay on the podcast and this was like, one of her core memories from doing the show. Do you remember this at all, or.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I remember bits and pieces. I just remember what was the big deal.

[Ben Savage]

Right, right, right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was, it was made to be such a big deal. And, And Lindsay plays younger than she really is.

[Rider Strong]

Right, right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

So she was just like, what? You know, and my whole thing was like, in any of that stuff was to just to make sure you guys are comfortable in it. And if you're not comfortable in it, I will go up to bat. And, And I, I, I don't recall. I mean, refresh my memory. What did Lindsay say about it?

[Rider Strong]

She just was somewhat traumatized by having to wear something so scantily cla. You know, because it's like a weird tank top, belly showing thing that I, I don't know if we invented the tankini or if the. But it was, it was in the script. So then, yeah, you know, there, there. She just Remembers there being a lot of discussion about, you know, know, how scantily clad she was going to look and how much. How much to show, how much to make. Yeah. Because, you know, the story point is that she's dressed too sexy for her dad, but of course, she's still actually very much a little girl. And.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So she just remembers having to wear this, you know, very. Feeling very exposed.

[Julie Yang Silver]

We had to shorten the top because most tankinis, they're like one piece. Not one piece, but the top is. Goes all the way down to your waist. Waist, and then you have the bottoms.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I think we had to shorten them. I mean, it was. I would say it was probably hardest for Lindsay just because you're in front of a camera.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

You know, you're showing off everything. And she's a teenager, too.

[Rider Strong]

Right. Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

You know, she's growing up, so I don't know, maybe I just blocked it all out of my mind. Any of the trauma of, like, things that I had to put you guys through.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Ben Savage]

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[Rider Strong]

All right, so after you leave Boy Meets World and and then you downgrade to a movie called Ocean's Eleven with

[Ben Savage]

Arguably the ugliest cast in the history of Hollywood.

[Rider Strong]

So tell us about that. You worked on Ocean's Eleven.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I did.

[Rider Strong]

That's a crazy scene to be a part. Oh, my. Tell us about

[Julie Yang Silver]

was so much fun. I have never. Like, that crew was like clockwork. We were doing seven hour days.

[Ben Savage]

Come on.

[Julie Yang Silver]

No, seriously. Because he knew exactly how he wanted to shoot it and operated the camera. It was just the entire cast. Seriously. I think they only each got like one perk. So to do that, to do that movie. Wait, what do you mean?

[Rider Strong]

What does that mean?

[Julie Yang Silver]

That means like, I mean, you get stars like George Clooney and Julie Roberts, like Brad Pitt. They usually have like their own hair, makeup right there.

[Ben Savage]

You know, personal assistants, trailers, all that's kind of. Yeah, yeah, Tons of stuff. Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

But they each only picked one thing. And I think was it. George had his hairstylist wall. I think was his name really Waldo? Because we were always like, where's Waldo? I think Matt. Matt had brought his own chef.

[Commercial Voiceover (e.g., Cindy Crawford)]

Wow.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Brad. Brad had his own makeup artist who also did his hair. I think he. She did his hair. But they were all like. I was. I was thinking like, oh, my gosh, we're going to be around a bunch of like, divas.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

[Julie Yang Silver]

No.

[Ben Savage]

Oh, that's great.

[Julie Yang Silver]

So much fun. Don Cheadle, I love him to death. Yeah. You know, awesome.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

But you can also end like Brad Pitt. Oh, my gosh, he was hilarious. He was really funny and a total gentle. Like, he is the type of guy that they're calling people onto set. So, you know, you're running with your stuff. He will stop, hold the door open for you and make sure you go through.

[Ben Savage]

Oh, that's really sweet.

[Rider Strong]

So nice to hear.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Totally nice. Like, really down to earth. We partied in Vegas, us a lot. I remember we would come through at like, I think it was like 5 o' clock in the morning. And I'd be walking down the Bellagio. Like, you know, we'd be heading back to where we were staying at and I'd see Brad at a table and like the entire place was empty except for that table, you know? Yeah. And I was walking by and Brad would be like, hey, Julie. And I'd be like, oh, hey. I'd walk over and we'd chat a little bit and then I'd leave and I watch everybody's face like, who is that? Who is that?

[Rider Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I mean, it got to the point that we felt like wanting to take care of them because they were like real people. Sure, but the fan base was very bizarre.

[Ben Savage]

Oh, I'm sure. But what is it like? I mean, you're going from forget sitcom to film, which I want to get into, because I know what a difference that is. But you're going from working with Disney, which is known to maybe squeeze a quarter till the eagle screams, to Ocean's Eleven, where you're dressing literally some of the best looking people in the history of the world. What kind of freedom did you have with that budget when it comes to the wardrobe compared to what you had on Boy Meets World?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Well, for that, I want to say, because I worked really close with the supervisor, and she was the one who kind of was like, like, you need to really start supervising. And I was like, oh, no, I love being on set. I like working with you, actually. Like, no, you need to start supervising. And so I would stay there with her at night doing receipts and most of the paperwork stuff.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

So I got to see, like, the budget wise. It is insane. I couldn't even imagine everything on that show because Jeffrey Kurlin was a designer and he knew his down to the T. Like, I remember, like, running down the aisles, like, during the Vegas scenes. And he literally would be like, I'm gonna change that person's necklace. That person needs earrings. Yeah, There are a few designers that do that, and. And he is one of them. But for him, it's the entire look. He made every single thing. Like, every outfit, every shirt, Andy Garcia, everything tie, his shirt, his suit. Like, everything was made down to his shoes. We made him shoes.

[Rider Strong]

It's so timelessly cool. Like when you. Yeah, I love that movie. And I still watch it because I teach now and I use it in screenwriting class. And it's still. Everybody still looks so stylish. Like, it's not dated at all. You know, it has this, like, everyone is just so effortlessly styled and cool. It's an amazing. It's an amazing.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Everyone on that crew. I mean, Soderbergh, he's. If you ever get a chance to work with him, it is amazing to watch. He knows exactly. He doesn't waste any time. He knows exactly what he wants, how he wants it shot, and it's just done. Like, we never waited on the actors. They all just came. They all did their stuff. Like nobody was joking around. We were doing seven, eight hour days. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

That's crazy to hear.

[Ben Savage]

That is crazy to me. Now, did you.

[Julie Yang Silver]

What was. Was.

[Ben Savage]

How big a shift is it going from four camera sitcom to a film of that size? I Mean was this. It's two different worlds, right?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah, completely different worlds.

[Ben Savage]

Is there one you prefer?

[Julie Yang Silver]

It's so weird though, because I was. I felt like after the 4 camera, it seemed such a piece of cake compared to everything else now. Yeah. The stuff that we did for. For features, it was. It was hard, but you had a longer time. You had time to prep it, you had time to make it, you know, and you had time to dress it. Whereas on video or when we're doing four camera, it was very quick turnaround.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I mean, we were shopping, putting stuff on you within like a, you know, a couple of days. And then you guys were on camera.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And then having to get approval.

[Rider Strong]

We wouldn't even know who the guest cast was until like the day before

[Julie Yang Silver]

we would get them. Like maybe the day or something like that. It's kind of like how they patterned the episodics. Episodics are the hardest things I've ever done.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Because you're prepping a show, wrapping a show and shooting a show all within 10 days.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And at the same time.

[Rider Strong]

And so this is when you're working on. You went on to Nip Tuck, Vampire Diaries and then some Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad people work on so many different things.

[Ben Savage]

Like some of the coolest shows and the history. Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I have been very, very fortunate. The people that I have been introduced to and have remained really good friends when I started on Nip Tuck. So Lou Eirich and who is the costume designer, she. She's just amazing. She does all of Ryan Murphy stuff, all the American horrors. And, and, and I adored her. And she had this work ethic. But not only that, though, she was so incredibly creative. Like the things that she would come up with, like, she knew. But Ryan Murphy, the creator, he was like that. Like, he is the type of man that would call Lou up and say, so I was walking down on 4th, you know, 5th Avenue in front of, oh, gosh, what showroom was it? And he's like. And I saw this dress, dress. And I knew Kimber needed to have this dress.

[Ben Savage]

Wow.

[Julie Yang Silver]

So of course we contacted the showroom and everything and found out and it was like, like a five thousand dollar dress. There was nothing written in a script. But he was like, no, she is going to wear that at some point. So, you know, it's down to the T. That man is so incredibly creative and artistic. Like, he knew, like down to the lampshade.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Exactly how he wants it. And, you know, and Lou has a huge, like, pedigree behind her, too, in terms of the shows that she's been on. And, you know, and it's the details. Like, she's very into, like, the little details, like, just the belt could completely change an outfit. And she's one of. I've been fortunate enough all. A lot of the costume designers I've worked with.

[Orderly Meds Host]

She.

[Julie Yang Silver]

She was so incredibly hardworking. Like, I couldn't leave without her leaving. So I would just stay there and I would just keep doing paperwork, and we'd be there for like 15 hours, and she'd be like, you need to go home. I was like, I can't leave until you leave.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

But we both loved what we did. And that was, like, one of the things that I miss so much that I don't, you know, get to do as much. But I love those 15 hour days. I love those 16 hour days. They were crazy.

[Ben Savage]

Okay, so you've got Breaking Bad, you've got Vampire Diaries, You've got show after show after show that are just the coolest things in the world. But I want to get into my world, the world of the nerd. So what is it like working on the Mandalorian?

[Rider Strong]

Please tell me Mandalorian stories.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I worked with Shanna on Angel.

[Ben Savage]

Okay.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And she had also done Firefly, which

[Ben Savage]

was like, great show, great show.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. And then I had just met her, and so she brought me on to angel, and when I left angel to go do Nip Tuck, and we kept in touch and everything, I helped her out here and there. And when she called me, I was like, are you sure? Like, I don't. I. I'm not. I'm not. I think I was, like, one of the only person that hadn't seen Star wars that.

[Ben Savage]

Wait, what?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Still?

[Ben Savage]

What?

[Julie Yang Silver]

No, no, I have. I have. I have. Especially when I went.

[Rider Strong]

When you were offered a job on a Star Wars TV show. The Star Wars TV show, you had not seen a single Star Wars?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I'm. I. No, I had seen, I think, like, Empire Strikes Back.

[Ben Savage]

It started with the second one.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, my God. God.

[Ben Savage]

Oh, Julie, I love it.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I just remembered, like, I was. My. My cousins were gonna go watch it, and my other cousin and I were like, no, we're gonna stay home and play dolls. So they all went. And, you know, I've seen it, like, bits and pieces on tv, and I never watched it from the beginning to end. And I think, like, five years ago, I did.

[Rider Strong]

Amazing. Amazing.

[Ben Savage]

That's gotta be a totally different type of costuming, right? I mean, it's. It's so I mean, there's appliances and there' and guns, which has got to be a whole different thing. I mean, is that just a whole different world when you get into kind of the fantasy sci fi genre?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Absolutely everything. I mean, I've been in situations where, you know, everything's made in house, you know, or everything's like sent out and they're all made, you know, clothing wise and everything. I've never been in a situation where we actually had our, our entire costume department, like, with specialty people making armor. And you had the other special, and then you had like, you know, a specialized person who does all the aging and dying down to the T. Yeah. Then you had your painters and just even people on set, just the rotating.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I. I think at one point it was, I think just in that warehouse alone, we probably had about 40 just people in there that I'm constantly just going, okay, what is going on? You know, and being thrown into that world where they had already done the first Mandalorian and they had, you know, done Boba Fett. They had, you know, so they were, the crew was amazing. They. And they were all nerds. They. Everything.

[Ben Savage]

Those are my people.

[Rider Strong]

And so you must get to the point because, like, I imagine, you know, when you're, when you're working on something like, like, you know, Ocean's Eleven, you, You.

[Bowen Yang]

You're.

[Rider Strong]

You're dealing with the real world, right? So, you know, like what you. When you're culturally you're styling towards with something like, like Mandalorian, you have to just get to a point where, you know, different, like, tribes that have been completely made up and like, are. Do you have to just, like, do you study for that or do you just absorb it by, by being around it? Like, oh, I know that people from this planet dress like this. People from this is what a Jawa looks like. Yeah, exactly. Like, you just figure that like. Or is there like, book, a bible that you have to study? How does it work?

[Julie Yang Silver]

It's, it's actually I, I talk to a lot of the people who are working there more so than anything else. And like Alyssa, who was the acd, she's a wealth of know. Like, everybody who worked there, excluding myself, were huge. Like, Star wars, like, knew the whole trilogy ever, right. Everything. So. So when I stepped into Mandalorian, they basically shoot pieces of every episode all at the same time.

[Ben Savage]

Okay.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And because it kind of flashes back and forth and all this stuff. So by the time I came in to help with that, they had already done a lot of establishing things So I was just kind of getting caught up and. But I was really there to help prep and to help start a social boca. So that's where my training really came in. Because of all the Stormtroopers. And I mean, I was like, up watching the cartoons.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Ben Savage]

Because Julie, Julie, they're animated series cartoons.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Sorry, Apologies. You're right. I had to stay and watch the Animated Series. And as I was breaking down the script, things that I didn't understand, I would go back and. And I would. I would ask questions. So there's like this whole down to, like, where the stormtroopers came from. The colors, the. Right, the Stormtroopers were the clones. Yeah, I know.

[Rider Strong]

Did you like.

[Ben Savage]

Didn't you love the Animated Series, though? Whereas the Animated Series is phenomenally good.

[Julie Yang Silver]

The. The Clone wars was amazing and it helped explain so, so much.

[Ben Savage]

It does.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Because when you're just thrown in it, you're just like, yeah. What?

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And also, like, everybody knew all the. The verbiage was the one that I was having a really hard time figuring out. Licky's, the ones with the, you know, the ears and then all the different animations and how we were gonna do it and.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was so overwhelming. I mean, it got to the point where I was dreaming it and dreaming like, awesome. What? Each clone from each era and how they evolved.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

The color.

[Rider Strong]

Do you have a favorite. Do you have a favorite, like, style of Star wars world, like planet, tribe, person, team? I don't know. What. What are the different things?

[Ben Savage]

I mean, it'd be different races.

[Julie Yang Silver]

They're all different races and they each have. Have beauty in them. I mean, like my favorite outfits. In all honesty, though, I. I love those red witches.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Cool.

[Julie Yang Silver]

You know, and also, it's just. There's like this whole history behind, like, when you see one character, but there's like one little piece because it. That he has on or that they'll have on that actually goes back to like. Yeah, I know. A three other series.

[Rider Strong]

Right. Some deep history.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It's deep.

[Bowen Yang]

And.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And a lot of the fan base, I mean, they're hardcore.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Ben Savage]

That's the thing. If you mess up one night, sister or ventress or anybody, people are going to be like, well, that's wrong. Yeah, that's. What are you thinking? What did you just do? Yeah, I mean, that's. But that's what I. I mean, you can really do this with anything. I mean, at the end of the day, that you could say the same thing for, you know, J. Austen for the world of Jane Austen. It's like the language has its own kind of thing. The costumes is their own thing. Every mannerism, it's its own thing. It's a micro world, which is what Star wars is. So it's.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I know the beauty of it.

[Ben Savage]

Now what do we have to do to get you to dress us like Stormtroopers and put us in something?

[Rider Strong]

Do you have to hang up our clothes? Not throw them on top? Not through his whole Star wars costume. On Stormtrooper costume, maybe. Don't steal her cigarette. Rats. What else.

[Julie Yang Silver]

What's crazy was we actually had some of the Stormtroopers, the. The. From the original that were made in London. Yeah. We had their storm trooper stuff. They were. They were beautifully like. They looked beautiful. But there were cracks and. Because back then they. I mean, to make it look amazing, they weren't. They weren't functionable.

[Rider Strong]

Right, right. They were just like.

[Ben Savage]

Well, I remember telling. Telling me a story about how for Darth Vader, the suit is so clunky that you. They'd only shoot him from the knees up because there was a guy lying down on the ground holding one foot and another guy lying down on the ground holding the other foot and. And they'd rock him into his position because. Because the costumes are so. They weren't functional at all at the time.

[Julie Yang Silver]

They are not functionable at all. So we had actually repurposed for the clones, right. We had repurposed, you know, some of them and the bits and pieces. And then we realized, oh, my gosh, you can't, because there's so much action. So then you have the stunt guys and every time they got hit, it go crack. There were so many. Even, you know, like on Mandalorian, like all. All their jet packs and their helmets to make it functioning, you know, they couldn't be made. There was one that was for on camera, right. And then there's one for actual functioning. And I remember on Mando, they had this one scene where they wanted. Oh, gosh, I forgot her name because everything is kind of a blur right now. But they wanted her to be able to throw her helmet. And I. They called me. My set people called me, and I was like, there is no way in hell they can throw that helmet. I have one picture and I have one that looks half. That's for stunts, so they can do that. But she cannot take off this other one and just throw it because it will crack.

[Ben Savage]

It's not. It's not Emily. It's not Emily Swallow from the Armorer, the one who played the armor.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. Oh, I can't think of her name. I'm horrible. I'm still the same person. Nothing has changed. Horrible with names.

[Ben Savage]

Hopefully you quit smoking. Hopefully you quit smoking.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I've been like, I know you guys by face and everything, but then I start blanking out. It's all menopause. I blame it on menopause. Oh, man.

[Ben Savage]

Well, we've had so much fun talking to you today. I'm sorry that Danielle had to bail, but, you know, I guess my big question for you would be looking back on your amazing career, which is still going. And you don't have to say us, because we're on right now. What's the project that sticks out to you most as you're like that? That right there is the one I want to be remembered for.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh. I don't think there's any project that I would honestly say, like, I would like to be remembered for. For me, every project was special in its own way, but I would say it would be a tie between Boy Meets World and Nip Tuck. I grew up in Boy Meets World.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I really did. I kind of came into just being more confident, but. But. And just being okay. Because even during Boy Meets World, it was a weird situation. I technically wasn't. I didn't have a costume design title. My title was supervisor. So I managed all the paperwork. But yet I dictated in terms of, like, shopping and deciding what you guys wore. You know, with Michael Jacobs and the rest of the writing crew, creativity wise, not so much. I mean, my hands were pretty tied on certain things, so for me, it was more about paperwork. But you guys were, like, the first group that I really got to create a family with.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

And I only have the best memories. Oh. Especially the finale.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Oh, we cry. I mean, there's, like, so many. The bear. Didn't we. We have bears.

[Rider Strong]

Yep.

[Ben Savage]

Which Danielle did not remember, by the way. Didn't remember the bear at all.

[Rider Strong]

Remember that we had a bear on

[Ben Savage]

set covered in honey and running from a bear, and she had no memory of it whatsoever.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I remember it because I remember the guy telling all the women, like, if you're on, if it's that time of the month, you can't be on set because he'll come after you.

[Ben Savage]

Yikes.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah. Don't you guys are. I mean, I. Oh, gosh, no.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, all of our memories are of laughing on set. Like, literally all we think of. Like, when I think about Boy Meets World more than anything, I just think about us laughing together all the time. Just all the time. It's such a positive memory. And thank you so much for. I mean, just listening to hear how you stood up for Danielle and you know, like, that is true. Like, that is an invaluable thing that you did and it was necessary.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I was so scared, though, at that point. I was kind of like, okay, fire me.

[Rider Strong]

Right?

[Julie Yang Silver]

Because, you know, and thank God for Karen, too, because she was a big advocate also and was just like, we are not doing this. And you guys just made it so much fun. I will have to say, like, the things that you guys did.

[Rider Strong]

Yes.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Sometimes

[Rider Strong]

I'm so bummed you're in North Carolina because I just. We have to go to dinner.

[Ben Savage]

We have to, like.

[Rider Strong]

We have to have like a long three hour meal and catch up.

[Julie Yang Silver]

I can't. Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Where are you in North Carolina?

[Julie Yang Silver]

I'm actually down in Carolina beach, so it's down Wilmington.

[Rider Strong]

Okay, great.

[Ben Savage]

Thank you.

[Rider Strong]

So good to see you so much. It's so great to see you.

[Julie Yang Silver]

It was really great seeing you guys too. And I hope. Hope everything has been amazing for you guys.

[Ben Savage]

Yeah, you as well. And we're so, so happy to see you. And hopefully we get to see you in person and give you a big hug soon.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Absolutely. You guys take care.

[Ben Savage]

You too.

[Rider Strong]

Bye, Julie.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Bye. Bye. Dude.

[Ben Savage]

A, she looks the same, but B, what a career. I know.

[Rider Strong]

No kidding.

[Ben Savage]

Insane that the show she's worked on.

[Rider Strong]

The second I saw her, it's just like all the memories come flooding back and it's just like, right, we, like, she was just part of.

[Ben Savage]

Of our group, like, and we used to go to. I mean, it would. By the end, we weren't in our dressing rooms at all. We would go hang out, be at craft service. We'd be in Julie's room.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. Because once I got out of school, I was never anywhere but on set.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

We were just always hanging out and just. Craft service. Julie's room.

[Julie Yang Silver]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

We would just be roaming around, laughing, telling stories. I mean, just constantly making each other laugh.

[Ben Savage]

It's just the best.

[Rider Strong]

It was such a great environment.

[Ben Savage]

So much fun. Her laugh is the same. It brought me right back.

[Rider Strong]

All right, well, we don't have Danielle, can we. Can you do the outro? What do we say? Oh, I have to do it because you have to do the merch call.

[Ben Savage]

Do you want to switch it up? Do you want me to do the outro and you do the merch call?

[Rider Strong]

No, because I don't have any ideas. You gotta. Thank you all for joining us for this episode. Of Pod Meats World. As usual, you can write to us somewhere.com Todd Meats World show and as always, we have merch.

[Ben Savage]

May the merch be with with you.

[Rider Strong]

There it is.

[Ben Savage]

There we go. Had to go Star wars with it.

[Rider Strong]

Podmetor gmail.com Pod Meets. You know what? Find us social 500 of these 500 we love you all. Pod dismissed.

[Ben Savage]

That was great.

[Rider Strong]

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