Marcus Toji Meets World

Summary

Pod Meets World – "Marcus Toji Meets World" (September 29, 2025)

Podcast: Pod Meets World
Host: iHeartPodcasts (Danielle Fishel, Rider Strong, Will Friedle)
Guest: Marcus Toji

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the journey of prolific character actor Marcus Toji, who appeared twice in Season 4 of "Boy Meets World," playing different characters in quick succession. Danielle, Will, and Rider reminisce about the landscape of 90s TV, the unique path of a steady working actor, and what it meant to be an Asian actor growing up in Hollywood. Marcus shares memories from his child acting days, the realities of pursuing acting as a lifelong career, and what it's been like sustaining steady work without ever being a series regular.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charity Gaming Event Recap (03:16-08:43)

• The hosts recap a recent charity event where they raised $80,000, with Matt's "Trapper Keeper" going for $9,000 because he included all his notes (03:26).
• Unique gaming moments from playing "Daggerheart," the tabletop RPG created by Matt Mercer of Critical Role.
• Danielle recounts, "Ashley had a youth in film award... She used it in the game... her experience as an actor... gave her advantage on her role" (05:00).
• Joy and comedic moments—Christine Lakin’s “10 backwards baseball hats” becomes a running joke (07:01).

"Wouldn't those just be hats?"
— Jody Sweetin, (07:22)

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2. Introducing Marcus Toji (13:27-15:07)

• The hosts introduce Marcus as a classic “character actor,” thriving in the drive-by world of TV and film, with credits spanning over 30 years and two guest spots on "Boy Meets World," in the same season as different characters.
• Noted for work on Family Matters, Party of Five, The West Wing, Zoe 101, Thunder Alley, Patriot, Workaholics, and films like Little Giants and Jingle All the Way.

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3. Early Life and Child Acting Beginnings (15:09-22:49)

• Marcus started acting at age 3, initially joining his siblings on auditions before gravitating to acting himself (15:43).
• Described the classic LA "your kid could be in pictures" approach (17:26).
• "I always wanted to go in the room... and then I had a great time. And my agent signed me up. I've been doing it ever since." (18:23)
• Never remembers not acting; took acting classes throughout his upbringing to go beyond being a "precocious kid."
• Discusses the reality of balancing school and acting in LA, mentioning that “it is a legitimate reason to leave school...like sick or bereavement.” (20:50)
• On being the youngest: "I've heard...the youngest...are better at reading people because they have the two older siblings and the parents. They're better at, like, reading people." (33:55)

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4. Transition to Film and Representation (24:29-31:46)

• Early TV: Guest on "Drexel's Class" with Dabney Coleman (22:50+).
• Early film: Corinna, Corinna with Whoopi Goldberg and Ray Liotta. On meeting Ray Liotta:

"You would think that big celebrities don't have time for kids...but in my experience, they were just very nice." (26:03)

• On Asian-American representation in the 80s and 90s:
  • Looked up to Ernie Reyes Jr., Asian TV newscasters, Gedde Watanabe (Long Duk Dong in Sixteen Candles; Volunteers, UHF), and Dante Basco (“Rufio” in Hook).
  • "It was funny growing up in that time for us, it was like, you saw one kid, one Asian kid. You're like, oh, hey, it's an Asian kid." (27:04)
  • On turning down problematic auditions: "I've turned down an audition here or there because I'm like, I don't feel like this is right...and then I saw the movie, and they just cut the whole part out." (30:08)

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5. Landing and Filming Little Giants (38:10-47:58)

• Remembers big screen tests at Amblin and meeting Steven Spielberg, who watched the kids "just being kids" (38:27-40:04).
• Football camp: "They put us in football camp so that we learn how to play football. But I think they forgot that we're supposed to be bad at football. So they had to...just be like, guys, forget what we taught you." (41:14)
• The movie was "an amazing summer camp"—filming in San Luis Obispo, staying in hotels, field trips, and creating strong memories as a traveling group of kid actors (43:02).

"Every day they would have to come to us and be like, guys, stop it. Just keep your mouth shut. You're all saying the words with [the actors]." (44:51)

• Go-kart mishap led to the crew being banned from the local fun spot (47:15).

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6. Boy Meets World Guest Roles (48:00-58:46)

• Marcus appeared in Season 4 as “Kid Number One” (“Janitor Dad”) and “Einstein Kid” (“Quiz Show”). He regularly watched Boy Meets World as part of TGIF, though often recorded it due to Friday night sports (48:20).
• On the audition process: "I was doing so many auditions...a superpower is being able to just let it go. If you dwell on it...it's just stressful." (50:05)
• On being on set:

"I remember the audience loving it and I remember the cast laughing. That was one of those first times I remember it being electric, where everyone was on and you can't stop enjoying it...That was one of those gifts...this is live television." (50:55)

• Reflection on Boy Meets World addressing economic difference between characters, especially with Shawn (52:04+).

"Sean's the first time I remember someone, like, 'oh, they are of a different economic status'… and he's not just a one-episode 'very special episode' character." (52:03)

• Danielle says: "People come up to me and often are like, 'I was the Shawn in my friend group,' and they start crying immediately." (53:44)
• On returning as a second new character in the same season: Marcus doesn’t recall if anyone noticed, but, “I think I had a tiny growth spurt...just different enough” (57:41).

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7. Life as a Working Actor (62:54-67:38)

• Marcus credits his ability to avoid burnout to never being a full series regular, which allowed for "a lot of time to be a kid in between and a lot of time to be...just a person." (64:04)
• Describes the stress of always auditioning, the near-misses of big breaks, and the grind of the journeyman actor:

"You get a great couple arc episodic...maybe this will lead to something else. And then it doesn't...back to the grind. I'm not delusional. So keep going." (66:26)

• Recent heartbreak: Booked his first series regular right before COVID shut down Hollywood. "I saw the brass ring right there. I almost had it." (65:56)

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8. Patriot (Amazon Series) Experience (67:40-72:24)

• Rider praises Patriot ("You guys have to find this. It's brilliant.") (67:53)
• Marcus describes the show and his role as Marcus, a piping engineer, including the memorable opening scene (69:00).
• "That was one of the biggest highlights of my entire career. Such a great cast, such a great crew. It felt like a family." (69:25)
• Anecdote about shooting a scene after his character was pushed in front of a truck and acting beside Kurtwood Smith.

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9. Family Business & Reflections (72:36-74:57)

• Runner-up alternate career: Family restaurant "Feast from the East" in West LA, near UCLA, famous for its sesame chicken salad and wings.
• "We love our customers because they kept us alive through a recession and a pandemic...Jack Black has been going there since he was in high school." (73:29)
• The hosts joke about visiting and add, "You're about to have three celebrities come through as well." (74:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Being a Child Actor:
  "You never remember not acting...and every few years as a kid actor you kind of have to retrain—your skill set has to rise with your age." – Marcus (18:52, 19:13)

• On Acting and Representation:
  "I never did martial arts but just seeing Ernie Reyes Jr., I was like, 'Oh, cool.'" – Marcus (27:04)

• On Child Actor Burnout:
  "I never had burnout...I never was the series regular, so there was lots of time to be a kid in between and a lot of time to be a person." – Marcus (64:04)

• On the Reality of Hollywood’s “Journeyman” Actor:
  "It almost doesn't exist anymore, that you can make a good living just being on every show...but never starring in anything." – Will Friedle (75:40)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Content Summary | |-----------|----------------| | 03:16–08:43 | Charity event recap, "Daggerheart" RPG, and memorable in-game moments | | 13:27–15:07 | Marcus Toji's career overview & introduction | | 15:09–22:49 | Marcus's childhood, start in acting, early experiences | | 24:29–31:46 | Film work, industry representation, perspectives as Asian-American actor | | 38:10–47:58 | "Little Giants" audition and filming anecdotes | | 48:00–58:46 | "Boy Meets World" guest roles, process, and reflection | | 62:54–67:38 | Sustaining an actor’s career, the grind, and personal challenges | | 67:40–72:24 | "Patriot" on Amazon, show breakdown, and Marcus’s role | | 72:36–74:57 | Family restaurant, reflections on alternate life paths |

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Closing Thoughts

The episode paints a portrait of Marcus Toji as an enduring figure in Hollywood—never the star, but ever-present and consistently working. His experience highlights the different paths within the industry: the "series regular" vs. the versatile, steady “drive-by.” Through memories of acting as a child, humorous set anecdotes, and a look at the changing industry, Marcus’s story is a testament to hard work, adaptability, and the significance of representation in media. The hosts close with gratitude to Marcus and a nod to the community that built and sustained the Boy Meets World legacy.

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Please tell me about it. What, what was it like?

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First of all, we raised $80,000.

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Ashley had a youth in film award.

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No, it was that. That wasn't her object. That was her background experience. We were trying to think like, because we were trying to think what skills do we have? And it was like, well, it should be linked to something you've done and your character has done in their life. So if you were come from a sailing family, you would know how to tie knots and you know, that would be your experience. So like I picked at guy who's like good with card tricks and could do like poker and she's just like, I have a youth in film award. And we're all like, what is that? Well, actually that's some really spirits. And we kept playing with it and it. How did she use it? She used it in the game, I think.

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Everybody got into it.

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It was surprising how much joy it brought me. It was like I came home and I was like buzzing. I couldn't go to sleep and I just wanted to play again the next day. And then Christine Lakin, who had never played before, and Jody Sweeten, who had never played. I started getting texts the next day like, oh yeah, we should get a home game. We have to now. I'm so into it. I realized it like I was trying to explain it to Alex because she's never done role playing and you know, she's always kind of been like, what D and D. I don't quite get this. And you know, I think a lot of actors think of it as like kind of a waste of time or like a waste of their creative energy, you know. Cause it's like, oh, I'm an actor. I play pretend to be people all the time. So the idea of like doing that for fun. But this, it specifically tapped into playing on the playground with friends when you're a kid and you're like just telling a story together and you're like, and now you're a pirate. And now we're running over here. It brings that feeling back, which is a very specific type of play. And I just couldn't get over. I was like, I just want to do this again and again. It was really fun and really funny. Oh my God. I mean there was one moment, the best, my favorite moment at one point, Christine Lakin as her objects in her backpack or whatever she decided. And she hadn't told us this, but in the middle of the game we needed to like sneak across an area and she was like, guys, I have 10 backwards baseball hats. And we could. And Jody Sweeten just goes, wouldn't those just be hats?

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So I really.

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The side quest of looking to talk to everyone who appeared on a Boy Meets World episode has been an arduous one. It's a difficult task, but we committed to it years ago and we're sticking to it. So this week we are talking to a busy child actor who made not one but two stops on our set that without this podcast cast we would have never seen again. And we'd be so bummed because he has quite a story to tell. He was the definition of a character actor even before he hit his teen years. When people think of our industry, it often gets lost that actors can make a living and pursue their art without ever needing to be a leading man. And today we have an example of someone who's been perfecting the Drive by for over 30 years and he has never had a pause on his resume. He's been on TV shows like Family Matters, Party of Five, the West Wing, Zoe 101, Thunder Alley, Patriot and Workaholics.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Yeah, I know, right? And he's been in movies like Jingle all the Way, Corinna, Corinna, Dear God, and Max Keeble's Big Move. But you'll know him best from Little Giants, a Bad News Bears inspired Pop Warner football movie from 1991 where he was coached by Rick Moranis and surrounded by other adorable young actors. So spending a few months putting on the pads and making a movie together. And we were lucky enough to have him in two season four episodes, Janitor dad and Quiz Show. And yes, in perfect Boy Meets World fashion, he played Kid Number One and Einstein Kid two, completely different yet unnamed characters. Now we are thrilled to welcome to the podcast to mark off another guest star, it's Marcus Toji.

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Hi. Hello.

[B]

How are you?

[A]

I'm good. Good to see you all.

[B]

Nice to see you. Thank you so much for being here with us. You are a two timer on Boy Meets World. Two episodes, two different characters, which Boy Meets World did often with actors we loved, but yours is especially rare because you did them in the same season. So I want to talk to you about that. Where did. What is your origin story to Hollywood? Because by the time you made it to us on Boy Meets World, you were already a seasoned vet.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I started acting. I'm born and raised in L. A. As I'm sure a lot of people are. Yeah. But I started acting when I was like three doing like commercials. Oh, wow. And. And then, you know, just kept working doing, you know, guest spot, co star stuff on lots of kids TV shows. And then, I mean, I think was it the, the year before? I like, I just recently listened to your podcast with Maddie and so he did the sandlot. And then the year later, they started casting for Little Giants, which is a football movie. And but that was what everyone was, you know, everyone's eyes were on the sandlot because it was so good.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And so we, you know, auditioned for that. Got it, and then, you know, that's over. And then you go back to the grind, you know, just auditioning and then. And then I, I get on to Boy Meets World, which was like, I mean, it was season four. You guys all knew what you were doing. You were, you were in the, the thick of it. And so, you know, I'm just coming on and I'm, I'm a younger kid that, that, that Sean is, is picking on. And. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a, it was a great experience because we all knew the show.

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Yeah.

[A]

You know. Yeah.

[B]

So you started at 3. What was it about you? I'm assuming your parents. Who was it who said, this kid has what it takes? Who and what was it about you they saw?

[A]

So the, the story is like a little, a little fuzzy on the details because I just hear it from my mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So my oldest brother. I think it was one of those, like, mall things where like some person, you come up to it. This kid. Yeah. This kid could be in pictures and he. My mom was like a cigar.

[C]

Of course you should be in pictures, kid.

[A]

Hey. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Do you mind if I take your picture?

[A]

Yeah. Now? Yeah. You can't do that in malls now.

[D]

No, no.

[B]

It used to happen to me at the park, which was real creepy.

[A]

Now, now you kids and you walk away.

[D]

Run on a good thing.

[A]

Yeah. So he didn't do anything. I have two older brothers, I think they took headshots. And he was like, this is dumb. I don't want to do this. And then my middle brother, he actually went on some auditions, did some commercials, but my mom always had to drag me along to take him to auditions anyways. And I always wanted to go in the room because for commercials they take all the kids in the room and they always come out laughing. Yeah. You know.

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Oh yeah.

[A]

And so, you know, I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Depending on the product.

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Depends on the two extremes.

[B]

Right? Depends.

[A]

Depending on how, how much pressure your parents put on you. Right. And, and so eventually they're like, yeah, bring it, you know, bring them in. And then I, I had a great time. And. And then they were like, okay, you know, my mom's like, sure, let's, let's sign them up. And my agent, you know, the agent signed me up and, and I've been doing ever since.

[C]

Wow, so you don't ever remember not acting?

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, did you ever take classes or like get into acting as a craft or did it just keep coming naturally?

[A]

No, I mean, you know, like being a kid actor, I mean, I feel like everyone, you all experience this, Is that your skill? You're like natural talent as a kid only takes you to a certain point.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And then you have to like go, oh, I can't be the precocious, you know, six year old anymore. I need to be a little, I need to deliver the line a little bit better. Or now it's, I can't just do one line. I've got to do five lines and then wait, you know, and then do the next one. So, yeah, so like constantly kind of taking class throughout my life. And then I think it was in like, you take little classes here, that kid, you're as a kid there. You can't be in like a four hour, you know, scene workshop, script work session. Yeah. So, yeah, so I took classes. I mean, I like school, like even just like elementary school or like middle school, high school, I got more. That was the time for me where I was like, well, do I want to keep doing this or do I not? Because that's the perfect time to go. I'm out. And I wanted to keep doing it. So I got more into, you know, like theater in high school. And then, and then from there I took classes, like the, the well known classes in la. And, you know, I learned a lot from them. I'm actually like, I should probably go back because. Because acting changes. Like, you know, just like, what's funny right now in five years is gonna be like, well, you kind of have to follow the trends of what. What's on TV or, you know, or film.

[D]

Yeah, well, growing up in Los Angeles at your school, were you the only actor? Because we're, you know, we're not from around here, where. Born and raised in Los Angeles. So did you have other child actors that you were actually going to school with? I mean, your school must have been kind of used to the idea of, oh, they have to leave for auditions.

[A]

I think no one's, like, used to it. Like. Like. Like, you know, teachers and stuff. But in California, like, Los Angeles, it is a legitimate reason to leave school. Like, it's the same as, like, sick or bereavement. And so there was always like, oh, you. He's gonna be just gone for a week for, like, or something. Okay, let's see. Elementary school. I mean, I'm sure there were people that were like. There might have been kids who are actors, like, as like, a hobby, like, where they did it for maybe, like, a year and then quit. And then, like, middle school. I don't think anyone. But at that point, like, I had done a few things I'd already. But by the time I was in middle school, I already done Boy Meets World, and I had done some other things. So people kind of, like, recognize me, so they're like, oh, okay, he's that. He's that kid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then that was first place I had, like, any kind of, like, theater stuff. So, like, the teacher, she was also my English teacher, but she was also also the drama teacher. And I think she kind of was like, seriously, like, you're going on, like, you get. You get to work. All right, bye. And then high school, I think there was quite a few people whose, like, parents were, like, producers. Right. And so none of the kids cared. Like, I had friends that did homeschool because they would get, like, bullied in. In their school. Like, kids would just give them a hard time and stuff. And, I mean, I was very lucky that it didn't happen because I wasn't special, you know, like, you know, it wasn't like, oh, he thinks he's hot, right? But, you know, it was like, yeah, well, my dad, you know, produced Blah, Blah, blah. Or I think. I think a girl I knew his father directed break into Electric Boogaloo, so. Great movie.

[D]

God, that's when they dance to save the. The youth center. So don't start.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Great movie. Great movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One of your first jobs was a guest spot on a show called Drexel's class, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It was starring a big name that Will worked with to Dabney Coleman.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

What do you remember from that job?

[A]

So that one, I think that was one of my first jobs where I was there like the whole week. Oh. I was like, I was like, looking back, I was like, I didn't need to be there the whole week. It's the. Dabney Coleman is like, first, he's a teacher at this, like, inner city school, and for some reason, he has to go around being Santa Claus at, like, malls. And so I'm like a kid that, you know, like, comes to the mall and like, we take a picture and I'm like, asking for all these things. He's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Just write it down. And, you know, and then he moves on to the. To the next kid. But I remember it was. It was kind of amazing. It was that, like, it was the. To be on a multi cam set. Like, you know, you guys, you guys lived it, but it's like, it's very strange for everybody else to be like, oh, that's the school. And right on the other side of this wall is his apartment, you know, and right on the other side of that wall is a restaurant, you know, and. And so it is kind of, you know, you know, mind boggling to be like, I'm gonna walk through one door and just end up in a completely different space. Yeah. And then I think one kid, like, he. It was. It wasn't a musical, but like, he does a rap in the middle of this thing. So just watching a kid who's not much older than me do something like that in front of all these people was. Was pretty cool.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. But that was pretty inspiring. You were like, yeah, look what he can do.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

And then in 1994, you end up in two huge movies. First is Corinna. Corinna with Whoopi Goldberg and Ray Liotta. That is a big first movie. Were you nervous to try something outside of tv?

[A]

Not. Not nervous to get out of tv. It's like it was an audition like any other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you go into a office and you know this person, they're like, hi. Okay, let's do was. It was a one liner, you know, and it was supposed to be like, my mom. Oh, the woman who plays my mom is supposed to be Interviewing for the, the job that Whoopi Goldberg gets.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so, but she's like. I think she. Yeah, she's. She is Japanese because in the 60s, like, there's plenty of, like, Japanese people, but she only spoke Japanese. And so she's. So Ray Liotta is like, interviewing her and she's. I'm the translator. And as, as I, as I learned, a lot of kids were for their, you know, non English speaking parents. And, you know, she says, like, you know, I don't do windows. And so I'm like, and no windows. And I had to do, like an accent. And I do not speak Japanese and I don't have an accent. So it's kind of like, oh, okay. And like, it didn't have to be good. You know, it's like one of those things, like, as kids, like, didn't have to be good, just had to be good enough. But I did get to meet Ray Liotta, and he was very nice. You know, like, it's. I guess people are. Might be, you would think that, like, big celebrities, like, don't have time for kids.

[B]

Right?

[A]

But. But in my experience, they were just very nice. They were just cordial. They realize, like you are, unless they learn very quickly that you're a piece of poop, they're going to be nice to you. Yeah, that's good.

[D]

I think big actors actually take more time to be nice to kids sometimes than other big actors. Like the, you know, they're nicer to kids than the adults on the set.

[C]

I definitely did not always have that experience.

[D]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

I never had a bad. I never had a problem with the adults.

[C]

I've talked about my Burt Reynolds time.

[D]

And I hear Burt Reynolds had a problem with basically everyone in the world. Exactly.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Well, coincidentally, we have talked to a lot of Asian actors from the 80s and 90s on this podcast. Stephen Park, Ernie Reyes Jr. Keone Young. And everyone has such unique journeys with such little representation. Back during that time, who did you look up to on TV or in movies?

[A]

Well, you know, let's see. Coming up. I mean, Ernie Reyes Jr. I'm like, I'm glad you mentioned him because, like, he was teenage, he was Kino turtles. And that was one of those things. Like, I didn't do martial arts. But just seeing him, you're just like, oh, cool. Like, it was. It was funny growing up in that time for us, it was like, you saw one kid, one Asian kid. You're like, oh, hey, it's an Asian kid. Or my mom Would be like, oh, there's an Asian guy. Right. And like, LA newscasters that were like celebrities, you know. Oh, yeah, it was like. It was like Ralph Fukuzaki or David. Oh. Or was it Susan Hirasuna? Yeah, yeah. You know, those are the names. You're just like, oh, wow. They. They're on. They're. They're on tv. I mean, I knew some of them, you know, like it. Although he probably doesn't. He doesn't get a lot of good press because of what he did. But it was Getaway. Was in. He was Long Duck Dong. Yeah.

[D]

In Sixteen Candles.

[A]

Yes. You know, great guy. He played my dad in, like, a PBS thing and, you know, great guy. And, you know, I look and you. It's easy to judge, but you're like, he wanted to be an actor. That was the part that came along. And he was in the whole movie. Yeah.

[D]

You know, he was great in Volunteers, too. I don't know if you ever saw him in Volunteers with Tom Hanks.

[A]

Oh, no.

[D]

Great movie. Tom Hanks, John Candy, Getty Wadanabe. Amazing.

[A]

Well, and then. Well, and then, you know, that wasn't. That was like his first big one, but, like. Yeah, he said Volunteers and then he did that. Oh, God, it was Michael Keaton and it was the Japanese. Another great movie. He's great in that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And then UHF with Weird Al Yankovic.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I can name all the movies and.

[D]

And most of them are iconic. That's the thing. Most of them have hit that icon status. So, yes, they're problematic when you look back at them, some of them through the lens of now. But you can't do that. You're right. He's an actor who's getting an audition, and you go in and you. You do your best to. To. To nail that role. And he did. He nailed every role he played. So, you know, you have to look at it like that, like an actor, where you just go in and you're like, this is the material I'm given, and I'm going to take the material off the page and make it even better. And he was great at that.

[A]

And. And, you know, it's. He. The. The. The fact that, you know, the. The past allows me to be who I like, want to authentically be. And so, like, I've turned down an audition here or there because I'm like, I don't feel like this is right. Don't. First, I don't think it's good. And if it was good and not right, then you're like, okay, then that. It. It. You can make it something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is, like, bad, and it's not right. What's even the point? Yeah, and there was some. There was some movie that I had an audition for that I turned down the audition. And then I saw the movie. They just cut the whole part out.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I wouldn't be surprised if it was. They either a. Had enough actors that said, I'm gonna pass. And then maybe it's like, well, why are all these actors passing all this part? But probably because it's not, you know, good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

But then who else? Well, Dante Bosco. Who. He and my. My older brother. They were about. They're about the same age, and so they would audition against each other. Dante would always get the part. Yeah, exactly. But I ran into him. I think it was auditioning for the Jake Long, like, Dragon Hunter. It was a. An animated show. And so I introduced. I said, hi, Dante. Like, I'm. I'm Kirk's younger brother. And he goes, oh, yeah. So we talked a little bit. And then maybe like, at Comic Con years ago, he's just walking the floor, like no one saw him. And I walked. I was like, hey, Dante, good to see you. I'm cursed. He's like, yeah, I. I know it's good to see you.

[D]

You just introduced.

[A]

My brother's friend knows who I am.

[D]

That was one of those movies, Rufio. That was one of those movies. There is not a kid actor who did not see that movie and just was, like, salivating to want to be one of the Lost Boys.

[A]

I was. And I think I was just. Just too young to audition for it. Like, just just a little bit, you know, like. And they had. They had the little lost boy. And I think it was like, no, no, we gotta. We gotta. Everyone's older. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, man. Was your family always super supportive of you following this path? Were they just thrilled that you were successful from such a young age?

[A]

I. I. Yes. You know, I think it's one of those, like, getting work helps, you know, Helps. Neither of them are. My, My. My mom is not in the industry, and my dad wasn't in the industry at all. And so, you know, I think they obviously, they were, like, cautious, you know, starting. But I think, you know, they. They might. They would take me to the auditions. They would be on set, you know, as they're required to. And I think by seeing me work and, you know, I think earning money, you know, helped and so helps. They were like, well, we don't, you know, they're dealing with three kids. They're like, well, the third one doesn't need to pay for college. You know, we have to pay for him. So let's just. Let's let him keep doing it as long as he wants to. And I think that was always. I think what made them feel better was that there were, like, school requirements, like, you had to get good enough grades. And I was in public school, so, you know, like, they were like, the teachers weren't going to go easy on you, you know, more. So there they were going to. So they were like, okay, he has to get good enough grades to keep his work permit. If he doesn't do well, then he can't audition. And so I had this, like, I had this bar I had to meet.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so, yeah, they were always supportive and. But there was always the idea that, look, if this isn't what you want to do, you just get out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if you find something else interesting, quit, because this is not something you do because, oh, man, the money and fame, you know.

[B]

Right, right.

[D]

I'm constantly amazed at the number of people that not only are the youngest in their families that. That become actors. Because I'm the same. I'm the youngest of three boys, and I'm the same. And that was that same kind of thing where it's like, the youngest. I think for some reason, I don't know if we. We feel the need to perform more to be noticed in our family or whatever it is, but it's amazing.

[A]

Well, I've. I've heard two things. One, that the youngest, you know, because they have the two older siblings and the parents, they're better at, like, reading people. So I can see whether they're, you know, making jokes to keep the peace or just like, oh, I better, you know, my brother's got a. Had a bad day. Either stay out of his way or poke the bear. You know, like you can do one or the other. Interesting. I heard this. I don't know if it's true, but I heard that all of. All the NASA astronauts, they've all been first or only children.

[D]

Oh, that fully makes sense to me.

[A]

Like, I want to achieve this amazing thing. Well, the third kid's gonna be like, nah, I'm good. I'm going out on my own.

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[A]

So it was with Janet Hershensen, who did, I think, quite a few of the Spielberg movies at that time.

[B]

Legend, writer.

[A]

And so she. I don't remember the like, audition and callback. I do remember the, the like, big.

[B]

Call, like the screen test.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was, it wasn't even a screen test. It was like they got all the kids they liked from across the country because it was a. It was a nationwide search for the kids. And we went to Amblin at Universal Studios and first they, they like walk us through the office. And then you see, I mean, they didn't set it up for us. They saw a poster for Schindler's List winning all these Academy Awards. Schindler's List. And then they, they put us in the, the theater to wait. And they're just playing hook just kind of on because they're like, it's gonna be a while. And then they, you know, they, they take us like, you know, row by row out, and we, we wait along this, this, like, wall. And at the end of the line is Steven Spielberg with, I think, one of the other executive producers. But now all the kids are just waiting. And so me and the, the kid who played Zoltek, Michael Zweiner, we're just screwing around because we're just bored, you know, waiting in line. We know who Steven Spielberg is. It's not, it's not like, you know, who's this old guy we have to talk to? We know who he is, but we're still kids. And so I think we were doing like the crane kick from Karate Kid. And. And then we eventually gets to me and Michael and, and Steven goes, what were you guys doing over there? You know, what were you guys doing? And we just tell him, you know, like, oh, we were just messing around doing the crane kick from Karate Kid. And he goes, oh, huh, Right. And I think, you know that he said that they said this about other kids movies. They just wanted to see kids being kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if they, you know, if it's like everyone's like, polite and sitting there and being calm, it's like, cool. And then when they get there, they like, turn it on, you know, And I think they just Wanted to see kids who were just going to mess around. And maybe, you know, the script was not done. The script went through so many revisions. I think maybe they also were like, well, maybe the kids will inspire us too. You know, some little bit we can. Can put in there and then get the part. Actually, I just get. I just get that I have been cast. And then we go to football camp.

[B]

Were you athletic?

[A]

No. So I think that they made a mistake, is that they put us in football camp so that we learn, like, how to line up and how to play football. But I. I think they forgot that we're supposed to be bad at football. And so they trained us. And so. And so I think they. Like I said when we first started filming, they're too organized. They look like they know what they're. They're doing. They can't. They're supposed to be the bad team. And so they had to kind of like, just be like, guys, forget what we taught you.

[B]

Right, Right.

[C]

For a lot of waste of everyone's time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think so. Yeah. I didn't know what part I got. And then we're just. We're at the football camp, and every day, you know, we do. We do school and then we do football camp, and then we read through the latest revision of the script, and they're giving us each part, like, oh, one day I'm Zoltek and one day I'm Timmy. And then, you know, they just know they like these kids. And then at some point, it all kind of settles in to like, okay, here's Here are the people who are going to be. What? I mean, they knew that Shawna was going to be Icebox. And Devin Sawa wasn't originally cast as. As Junior, but he came. He came in after football camp. So we didn't do football camp with him at all. We just had heard the original kid. I don't know the story behind it. I was on the younger side, so Shawna, she knows everything. But they. So he. He wasn't there. And then Devin came in, like, after we started filming. So we had no idea who. Who he was.

[B]

Right. He got thrown in a little after the fact.

[C]

Yeah, but see, it's so smart, like, the way that Spielberg casts because, I mean, his movies always have the best kid actors. You know, if he's involved with a project and it's like, it's such a skill because there are so many great directors who cannot cast good kid actors. Like, they. They might be able to cast great adults, but they don. Do that thing where they're like, just be a kid. Like, it's okay. I just want to watch you be you. And it's so cool to hear that he did that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Was shooting this movie, like, being a part of an amazing summer camp. I mean, there are tons of kids your age. You're hanging out with Rick Moranis and Ed o'. Neill. I'm sure you've talked about this experience ad nauseum, but we want to hear it all.

[A]

No, Amazing summer camp is kind of the exact explanation for that. You know, like, it was. I mean, it was over summer. Yeah. And. But you're all doing. You're all part of this, like, shared experience. And, you know, the. The first part of the film in the town we filmed in San Luis Obispo in Talk of Arroyo Grande. And so we're. We're all out of towners, you know, stay in a hotel. Some. Some kids, you know, like, they're. I think some are, like, from Ohio and, you know, other. Other places. Oh, actually, they might be from Ohio and they're pretending to be in Ohio, but they're in California.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And, like, North Carolina. And so we're all. We're all out of towners now. And so we're all sharing this hotel. So we're going to the pool, and they're. The. The production's taking us on field trips, and. And then we know the rest of the time we're filming.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And, you know, it's long days. And the director. Great guy. I think this might have been his second film. The first one he did was Homeward Bound. Dwayne Dunham. Yeah. Yeah. And he wanted to do lots of coverage. He was originally an editor for Star Wars. He wanted lots of coverage.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Lots of takes. Lots of setups.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was just. It was. It was dragging. And it's. It's funny because I was listening to you guys talk to Maddie about Maddie. Someone was mouthing the lines. And we would do so many takes that if there was the. The shot of the actor, you would see all the kids back there, all of us. And like, every day they would have to come to us and be like, guys, stop it. Just keep your mouth shut.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're all saying the words with.

[D]

So if you're shooting during the summer, like the prep, I can see you had to do school, but by the time you were shooting, you didn't have to do school during the summer, right?

[A]

Yeah, during the summer. Yeah. So it was like. It. It overlapped with the end of school and the. And it went long. So went over the beginning of the next school year. So, like. Yeah, at both ends. Yeah, both ends. We had to do some school, but yeah, in the middle, you know, was school less. And then sometimes you're just like. I think they would always take us to set, whether we're working or not, just to kind of like, you know, otherwise you're just staying in your hotel room.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And then, you know, the kids are just gonna go crazy. So, yeah, they would always, you know, like, bring the set. You guys go. You can go hang out in the big trailer, the schoolroom trailer, and just hang out. But they always kind of had something going on.

[D]

That's great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What did you do in your downtime? Did you guys. Did all of you kids still hang out together and go eat? Like, what did you get to do in the downtime?

[A]

You know, it's like the downtown. I don't remember. I remember. I remember the working, and I remember being on set, and it was. It was the routine, I think, you know, that's what it was like. You get to set, you put on your. Like, you had, like, two outfits in the whole movie. There's, like, the game at the end, so you got the football pads or the. The practicing, in which case you have football pads on. Right. So it was like, that was the day. So you get. You'd get to set. You'd get in the van, you'd get to set. You know, you'd go to your trailer. They're like, okay, get dressed. You'd get your outfit on. And then, you know, you joke around with the kids. And then you'd sit in the school room and wait. And then, you know, I think the. The parents would all hang out. Yeah, I'll hang out and talk and chat and have a great time. And the kids, you know, we had a great time, too, but. But we did. Like I said, we went on field trips. So. Okay, now the memories are flooding. And we went to Hearst Castle. Oh, and took a tour up there. So the. Who. All the kids went up there. Yeah, we took a tour of Hearst Castle. And then the. Nearby was one of the. It was like a go kart video game, mini golf.

[D]

Like golf and stuff. Like golf and stuff from Karate Kid. Thank you very much.

[A]

Exactly. We'd go there. We'd go there a lot until I guess we got kicked out. Production got kicked out.

[C]

These kids are too.

[A]

What I had heard was that I think some. Some crew member might have done something like like, like on the Go Karts or something. But I'm worried it was us. Me specifically. Me and my late great friend JP Steuer. We were. I was too short to. To drive it, so I was in the car with him. He could drive it. And his hat flew off and we both turned. We're like, oh, your hat went away. And then he crashed into like a bush. Like, went up onto the, like, embankment where everyone was fine, but we're like, oh, no. And then it wasn't that long after that that we weren't allowed to.

[B]

They were like, you're not allowed back.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God, that's hysterical.

[B]

Well, and then you had been on a lot of TV shows by the time you got to us. You had been on Our Neighbors on the Disney lot, Thunder Alley, Family Matters, er. And then you stepped foot on our set first as kid number one in season four's Janitor Dad. Had you watched Boy Meets World at all when you. Before you got cast?

[A]

Yes. I mean, because you guys were on the TGIF block or. Yeah, so I did watch it. I think I'm like, anti kid sports because we always had practice on Friday nights and I would have to, like, I would have to VHS record. But, you know, Boy Meets World and Family Matters, really. And, you know, and then I had to, like. And then I'd get home and I could finally watch it unless my brother, like, stopped it because he wanted to watch something else. You know, it'd be a whole blow up, man.

[B]

There were such. We had such struggles in the 90s. If you weren't home to watch something live, the effort you had to put into it and the amount of things that could go wrong. Somebody taping over your vhs, that was challenging the channel.

[D]

But you're halfway through, like you've recorded something and you're halfway through and then it switches to something else or just fuzzes out and you're like, what just happened? Yeah.

[B]

And then there's no way to see it again.

[D]

Like, it's gone. It's gone forever. It's gone forever. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Couldn't they just have aired, like, hey, here's a repeat on Saturdays?

[B]

Maybe they did, but I even feel like it was hard to know when the reap. There wasn't a way to know when it was repeated. You had to catch it.

[D]

Yep. TV Guide. There you go.

[A]

Yeah. And then later, that scrolling channel Y.

[B]

That was helpful.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you'd be like, I missed it. Gotta wait 10 minutes.

[B]

So you watched Boy Meets World before you auditioned do you remember your Boy Meets World audition?

[A]

I don't. I, you know, you, you, you know, I was doing so many auditions that I think as superpower is like being able to just let it go.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, and you go on enough, like, like, you know, co star parts and, and guest spots that you never get and, you know, like, I just kind of like, all right, yeah, I'll just. You gotta let it go. And if you dwell on it, you know, and then your mom, then the, like the debrief after the audition, your mom's like, what'd you do?

[B]

I know. Maya, remember?

[A]

That'd you say, well, yeah, right?

[B]

How did it go? What did they say? What did you say?

[A]

What did they say? Did they ask any questions? Did you ask any questions? And I'm like, what? No. What am I supposed to ask questions? I had no questions.

[B]

Do I, do I need to come up with a question?

[A]

Yeah, I have to remember my lines and a question. And so, yeah, so I don't remember it. I remember being, I remember being on, Remember being on set. I remember being in the green room.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I would, I, I, I rewatched it and I vividly remember watching the scene in the trailer where Sean and Corey and the parents are all there and they're arguing, and I just remember cracking up so much in the green room. And I remember the audience loving it and I remember the cast laughing. I think that was one of those first times that I remember it being electric, where everyone was on and you can't stop enjoying it, you know, and that, that, that was one of those gifts where it's like, oh, this is, this is live television. You know, this is what it's like. Oh, this is, this is the theater, you know, where your audience was right there and they let you know whether they like it or not.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And then was it. I, I do remember, I think it was like later being like, oh, yeah, Sean, like in, in tv, in television, Sean's the first time I remember someone like, like, oh, they are of a different economic status.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. You know, he's, he, he's got his problems and he's got his family issues. That doesn't make him. But he's, he's the core of the, he's not just the one episode, the very special episode of some show. You know, he was like, oh, no, that he, his family is not the same as Corey's family. Right.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that was a pretty big episode for that actually. Janitor dad, that was the one where I Think it was Chet's only Chet's second or third episode.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

I guess season four would have been. Yeah, he'd have been there on the show.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But, yeah, TV would show adults that were in a different economic status, but never kids. You're right. I was just trying to think, and it doesn't. If anything, it was. They would do the savior model, where if the kid was poor, then somebody rich would come in and. Different strokes or something like that. But the idea that he was a poor kid.

[C]

You're right.

[D]

Sean might have been one of the first for a while that was ever. Ever really seen. I'm not sure I ever really put that together.

[A]

Like, yeah, the. The lesson for the main kid for Beaver, like, hey, don't. Don't make fun of your friend who doesn't have the same things you. Right. And then we never see that friend ever again. Right, Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Well, so much of kids TV was just entirely centered around wish fulfillment. How do we. How do we just make kids want to watch this? Because they want to envision what it would be like to have this life. And so, yeah, for Sean.

[D]

Like silver spoons.

[B]

Yeah. For Sean to be a star of the show and for us to see regularly how his life differed was really. Yeah, I mean, it is. I think he was one of the first. It's really special. And, you know, we have felt that impact. When people come to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was gonna say people come up.

[C]

To me and often are like, I was the Sean in my friend group. And they start crying immediately. You know, it's like. It's very much a. Like, I needed you on TV to understand that there was space for people like, you know, my family or me. It's a really touching.

[B]

And then. Well, just a handful of episodes later, you return now as Einstein kid competing against us in the quiz show episode, which had a lot going on.

[C]

A bonkers episode.

[B]

We would love to hear your memories from this week since, to be honest, we did not have a ton of memories.

[A]

So I. Every time I think about it, like, I was looking. I was looking for the episodes, and I was like, okay. Yeah. See, I think I briefly watched my episode on season four of the first episode, and I was like, okay. And then I must be on, like, the next season or something, because I know. Yeah, I felt like a different kid. Like, I was like no one. I was. Obviously, I was smaller. You know, I was smaller. I was littler. And then I was like, yeah. And then when I'm Einstein Kid, I'm Still a kid, but I have to be, like, older. And then I look it. I was like, it's the same season.

[B]

Yeah, same season. Just a few episodes later.

[A]

Right. So my, in my. Internally, I'm like, oh, okay. I got bullied so bad at John Adams, I left. I went to Einstein. Yeah. And then I get there and I'm once again foiled by those John Adams guys. No, it was, it was cool. I feel like I spent in that one. I'm not like, sitting next to you. Like, I'm not, I'm not like, you know, I'm not with you guys. I'm like, sitting on a couch, separate. In a different area. So, like, we could. I can see you guys across the way. And I'm with two. The two other people at Einstein Academy. I mean, to me at the time, I was like, these two were adults. Like, they, they didn't, they didn't have lines. I was the one with lines. And these two are adults. They were probably like 17, 18, right?

[B]

The grown ups.

[A]

Yeah. And so I'm hanging out with them, you know, in between takes or, you know, in the green room while you guys. Because there's multiple setups of this one set and you guys are in all of them. And we just came up with one. I think the. It was like, yeah. Coming out, it, you know, we're just. It was just kind of like a weird shock because, you know, it's like, oh, I'm supposed to be on a quiz show. I'm like, oh, this is not how I, how I imagined it, which I'm sure worked for the, the character. But. Yeah, I mean, you know, they come out and I'm also like, I was like, pre, pre pubescent. So then, like, the host, I'm like, oh, she's very pretty. And then I'm like, no lines. Worry about your lines.

[B]

Yeah, we, we always wonder when this happens. When actors came back, did, like, anybody say to you, hey, so good to see you again? You were just here a couple of weeks ago. Did you have to audition again? Did they just offer this one to you? Do you remember?

[A]

I'm sure I had to audition again. Yeah. I, I, you remember the. I remember the offers. Okay. I think, you know, and I felt this way other times is that your agent doesn't say anything. You know, like they, they submit you, and if casting says, yeah, send them in and they don't remember you, that's fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if they do remember you. If they do remember you and they still want you, great. But it's like, don't let them know. Right.

[B]

You don't want to hurt yourself.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And so I didn't say anything. You guys weren't right next to me to be like, you look familiar. But also, like I said, I felt like I was. Maybe I'd had a tiny growth spurt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Lost a little bit of weight, you know, to where it was just different enough. But yeah. And then, you know, I'm done. I think that might have been. That might have been pre taped. I don't even know if that was like, on the night of. That makes the show.

[C]

Well, yeah, because we couldn't have the audience there because we were shooting. Will, your character in the audience. Like you and the family were in the audience with Cal. Yeah. So we used the audience space on the show.

[D]

That makes sense.

[A]

And then that set went through so many changes, I think it just wasn't so. I may have been there at taping just to watch, but I was not performing in front of people.

[B]

Do you remember any interactions with any of us?

[A]

I do. You know, I was younger than you guys, you know, and so. And I was used to being like co star, guest star, you know, coming. I was a day player. So, like, you guys would hang out with each other and, you know, you said hello and all that. But it wasn't. We weren't.

[B]

We weren't like besties.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't even think I ever. I met Will on any games because.

[D]

Yeah, no, because we would never have been working together, so probably. Yeah, we didn't even cross paths at that time.

[A]

How old are you? I am 40. I will be 41 in a month.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. So you're. You're four years younger than me and I was the youngest person on set. So season four, you were like 12 and I was 16. So we were close to.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Like, I don't imagine a 16 year old being like, hey, let's get this 12 year old to come, you know, hang out with us, you know.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We're gonna say we're gonna tell dirty jokes and, you know, around a 12 year old kid.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

People get in trouble for that.

[B]

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[A]

Well, well, occasionally someone will be like, I'm on a rewatch. You know, they'll watch it. And then the reason I heard about that you guys were asking for, you know, like, hey, if you've been on the show coming is my, my friends Ron and Aaron are our avid listeners. They're, they're, they're, they're.

[B]

Hi, Ron and Aaron.

[D]

Hi, Ron and Aaron.

[A]

And they were like, they were like, hey, we heard you should, you should email them. And they like, gave me the email address.

[B]

This is the kind of dedication we like.

[A]

Yes. They were like, you were on an episode, right? And I said, I was on too. And they're like, oh, you definitely have two. So we'll thank them for this. But yeah, I mean, it's, it feels like such a lifetime ago.

[B]

Yeah, but you have literally never stopped working. I mean, truly. We went over some of your credits in your intro, and I know that you joke that you're a former child actor, current adult actor. How do you think you've never managed to have like, burnout?

[A]

I think it's hitting me now, really.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

At almost 41 kids I've got, you know, it's, well, also it, the industry, you know, we just had the strikes and Covid and everything. And, you know, I never had burnout. You know why? I never was the series regular, you know, and so there was lots of time to be a kid in between and a lot of time to be, you know, just a person. You were always auditioning, which has its own set of stress. Like, oh, now I have an audition. I'm gonna stress about that. Why haven't I had an audition? I'm gonna stress about that. But, you know, it's, I didn't, I didn't have the, the luxury really, of being a series regular. So I didn't, it wasn't like every day come to set, right? Work. Here's a new script. You know, do this. You have these, you know, these things you have to take care of. You know, it was just me. And then I can be a 20 year old and go drinking and karaoke.

[D]

21.

[A]

21, yeah. No, no, no. 21 year old karaoke every night. And so, you know, that, that has that benefit. But, but, you know, like, I think right now, yeah, like I said, the burnout Might be hitting me now. The February of 2020, I booked my first series regular for ABC. Yeah, for ABC. Did a network test. I cost. You know, I was cast. They're like, you're gonna be in. You know, if it goes. You'll do, like, six out of 13 episodes. They built a. It was gonna be a western comedy. So who. If it had gone to series? Who knows? But. And, you know, I got to visit the set and stuff, and then, you know, we're gonna film April, and we.

[B]

All know what happened in March of.

[A]

2020 happens, and they just never picked it up. And. And it's like. And I was. My wife was pregnant with our first. I'm like, wow. I got a series regular, gonna have a kid. It's gonna be great. And then it's like, oh, the world's. The world's ending. Yeah. And, you know, and it, like, that really hits. That hits pretty hard. And. And then, you know, like, since then, I've worked. Yeah. I. I. Commercials have always been my thing, so I work commercially. I. You know, I've done voiceover and dubbing, and so I. I keep. You know, I'm. I'm busy. But. But it's like, you always like, oh, that was. I almost. I saw. I saw the brass ring right there. I almost had it. And I feel like that's, you know, the way that I was saying that the kid. Kid actors, as you grow, you kind of always constantly have to be. You have to be training on the next level, because what you had before will not serve you on the next level. And I always kind of feel like I would hit these. These. I would hit these peaks, and I'd be like, almost there. Like, I. I'd get a really great. You know, you'd get a great, you know, couple arc episode, you know, episodic. You're like, okay, cool. Like, this. Maybe this will lead to something else. And then it. It doesn't lead to something else. And then you're back to the grind. You're like, cool that this is, you know. Yeah, I wasn't. I'm not delusional. Right. So keep going. And then you get something else. You're like, oh, I got a. You know, a miniseries, and I'm gonna do this. You're like, oh, I'll. Maybe I'll be on next season. And you're like, oh, no, you're not gonna be on next season. And then you're like, ah, you know, it gets frustrating.

[D]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Well, you did 10 episodes of one of my favorite Shows Patriot.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I don't think Will and Danielle know this show.

[D]

What show is it?

[C]

It is genius. It was. I think it only lasted two seasons, right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

You guys have to find this. It was like one of those gems my wife and I stumbled upon, for whatever reason it was in 2016, 2018 somewhere, and just could not stop laughing. And it's brilliant.

[A]

It's like.

[C]

It's an action comedy show about a spy, like an international spy, who's also a folk singer because he's so traumatized by all the people he's killed.

[D]

Oh, love this.

[C]

Yes. You have to watch it, will. You, will love this.

[D]

Who's the patriot? Who plays the patriot?

[C]

I'm blanking on his name. Who was the main guy?

[A]

Michael Dorman.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So. But Martin Law is the guy.

[C]

He has to go undercover. His dad has, like, trained him since he. He and his brother since they were kids to be killers, basically. And it's just about how that's messed him up. And he has to go undercover at this company. And so he kills Marcus, engineer to be a piping engineer so he can get contracts in Iran or whatever, but he tries to kill Marcus to get the job and doesn't do the job. So you play the character. You're still alive, and he's working with you, and you don't remember that he tried to throw you under a truck.

[A]

I am a piping engineer. And no. No spoilers, because this is the. Literally the first scene of the show. Yeah. Is he pushes me in front of a truck. Yes. After his interview. Doesn't go great. It doesn't go bad, but doesn't go great. But I'm the other guy. And I'm like, it went great.

[D]

It's on Amazon prime, so I have to watch this.

[C]

How was working on that show for you?

[A]

That was one of the. Honestly, one of the biggest highlights of my entire career. It was such a great cast, such a great crew. Like, it felt like a family, you know, it was. It seemed like everyone was happy to be there. Whether they were, I don't know, but it was. You know, I was in. I was back and forth from Chicago that. That year. All I knew was I was gonna be in three episodes and ended up being in nine. And so back and forth from Chicago in the summer, which everyone's like, oh, so great. You're here during the summer. And I was like, what are you talking about? I've never been to Chicago. And they're like, winners are terrible. And then I just hear about it now. But no, it was. It was so great. The town is great cast. And then I was. I was always excited to read the next script.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and.

[B]

And that's a fun feeling.

[A]

You know, it's not like the show always ends on a cliffhanger, but the story just has to continue. And so I'm like, I need to know what happens next. And there's one episode, like, in the middle that I wasn't in, and I was like, you know, emailing all the rest of the cast, like, can you send me the script? Send it to me. I want to read the script. But yeah, it was. And then, you know, it's. When filming that, like, second episode, because Amazon did a thing where like, like you did the pilot. I mean, it's very much like network. You did the pilot and then they would kind of like test it and see. And then you do the. The. The rest of the. The series. And the first scene I'm doing is after I've been hit by a truck, but I'm like, back at work and. And I have like a. I have brain damage. But I have a nurse with me and Charlotte Arnold, and she was on Degrassi. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't watch Degrassi, but. But for those Canadians out there, she has this. She. She was in the first episode. I don't think she. She got a call like a week before filming the second episode, and she got the script the day before. She had like a page and a half monologue. Whoa. And she just killed it. Everyone on set was like, that was amazing. And I'm just sitting there like, I'm literally supposed to be kind of like nothing's happening in my brain. And I'm just like listening to her. And then I have Kurtwood Smith.

[D]

Oh, great.

[A]

So, so great. So, such a wonderful guy. And so intimidating in his, like, silence. Yep. And he just walks up to me quietly towering over me and just was like, so, you know, he just. He just has that look of like, he doesn't know how to read me. And it was just. I couldn't help but laugh just because it's so surreal that all this is happening and great time. Great. So I have nothing but great things to say about that.

[C]

So good to hear. The show is really wonderful.

[D]

You guys have checking this out.

[C]

It's one of those shames that it just. To me, it should have won everything and just gone for 10 years. I thought it was brilliant.

[D]

Check this out.

[B]

Oh, well, Marcus, my final question for you is. You have been doing this for 38 years. When or can you. Did you ever. When did you imagine you would be still doing the same thing? Still having a career this long lasting that you picked your lifelong career at 3 years old? If you were ever going to do something else, what would you do?

[A]

Oh, God. Well, I mean, I have a. My family has a restaurant. Not. So I guess I can just. Cool.

[B]

Tell us more.

[A]

Well, I do. I, I, I. I do remote work. I do back office. I used to be, you know, like, there every day through Covid, you know, just trying to keep everyone alive and, you know, going. And, I mean, there's that option.

[B]

Wait, I want to know.

[D]

We need to be able to go.

[B]

What is the restaurant?

[A]

It's called Feast from the East. East. And it's in West Los Angeles, kind of like a mile and a half. Like, south of UCLA, like Westwood. We've been there. They've been there since 81. Oh, my gosh. So, you know, we love our customers because they kept us alive through a recession and a pandemic. And, you know, it looks good, too.

[D]

It looks really good.

[A]

Yeah. Chinese chicken salad is the main, main thing. Sesame chicken.

[D]

Sesame chicken. And the sesame wings look really good. Yeah.

[A]

We have had some celebrities come through.

[B]

We were about to have three.

[A]

I remember Leonard a couple times. That's cool. Yeah. Louise Fletcher was a regular. I. I didn't realize till later. I was like, oh, her name's Louise. And then I, like, you know, I was swiping across, like, Fletcher, and I was like, oh, my God. Academy. Wow.

[D]

Yeah. Danielle's right. You're about to have another celebrity and writer, and I come through as well. So that's gonna be awesome. Awesome.

[A]

Love it. Our customers will be very happy to see you. Yeah. And then Jack Black has been going there since he was in, like, high school.

[D]

That's cool.

[A]

And so, yeah, I'm not, like, friends with him, but, yeah, we've, like, my mom's like, wasn't that. Isn't that the guy from High Fidelity? And, like, at that point, that was his big thing. I was like, yeah, it's him. Awesome. You know?

[D]

Oh, that's cool.

[A]

So cool. Yeah.

[B]

Well, Marcus, you have had such an incredible career. Thank you for coming and joining us and spending your time with us today. It was so nice to catch up with you and to hear your experiences, and we're just so appreciative that you came and spent your time with us.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you guys so much. It was great. Great remembering all these things. With you. Yes.

[B]

And thanks to Ron and Aaron for making it happen. Thank you, Marcus. Great to see you.

[A]

All right, bye.

[B]

He has, I mean, he's never stopped working and like he said, he's never had a series regular role, which is unbelievable to me. I know. I mean, talk about like that journeyman actor thing we've talked about, Will, where you said that just like, it's so hard for that to exist anymore.

[D]

Yeah, it almost doesn't. I mean, so the idea that he's still doing it is he's one of the few because it doesn't exist anymore. That kind of you can make a good living just being on every show. I mean, we all saw those people growing up. We knew those people where it's like, oh, they've been on every everything, but they've never starred in anything. And that just kind of doesn't exist anymore.

[A]

Nope.

[C]

So those movie stars are now doing TV shows and hosting game shows. Are now doing the secondary hosting game shows.

[A]

It's like.

[C]

Yeah, it's really.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your [e-mail] and we've got merch.

[D]

I really want to thank my family, my friends for my youth and film award nomination. I couldn't have done it without you. It's really amazing.

[C]

You give a thank you speech for a nomination.

[D]

This is the best I got right.

[C]

I'm playing.

[D]

I didn't actually win. So this is what I've got. I want to thank my agents.

[C]

Shut off his mic. Shut off his mic.

[B]

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