Nate Richert Meets World

Summary

Pod Meets World: Nate Richert Meets World
Released on August 4, 2025
Hosted by Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, and Ryder Strong
Guest: Nate Richert

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Pod Meets World, hosts Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, and Ryder Strong invite fans to join them as they delve into the nostalgic world of the iconic 1990s sitcom, "Boy Meets World." This episode spotlights guest Nate Richert, best known for his role as Harvey Kinkle on "Sabrina the Teenage Witch," providing listeners with behind-the-scenes insights, personal anecdotes, and heartfelt discussions about life after fame.

Reunion and Special Guests

The episode kicks off with a lively recap of a recent "Pod Meets World" reunion party held at Ryder's house, featuring a Korean barbecue celebration. The hosts reminisce about the event, highlighting the unexpected presence of Nate Richert:

Danielle Fishel [16:57]: "We were definitely doing that as a rewatch for sure."

Their excitement is palpable as they welcome Nate to the show, setting the stage for an intimate conversation.

Nate Richert's Early Career

Nate shares his journey from St. Paul, Minnesota, to Hollywood, detailing his early start in acting at the tender age of seven:

Nate Richert [20:13]: "I just started auditioning, and I landed my first role pretty quickly."

He reminisces about his time in a strict dance school, a stepping stone that unexpectedly led him into the world of acting.

Life on Set and Behind the Scenes Stories

The conversation delves into the day-to-day experiences on set, with Nate recounting humorous and bizarre incidents that shaped his career:

• Clothespin Prank: Nate narrates a recurring prank involving clothespins, a tradition that fostered camaraderie among the crew.

  Nate Richert [05:00]: "We used to add like 50 clothespins on someone's back without them noticing."

• Cursed Items Game: Reflecting on a road trip game that eerily mirrored set experiences, Nate connects this to a famous Hollywood anecdote about "Poltergeist."

  Nate Richert [09:05]: "It's one of the most famous Hollywood cursed shooting movie stories ever."

• Rock Star Encounter: A standout moment involves Nate's surreal encounter with rock star David Lee Roth, adding a wild twist to his Hollywood tales.

  Nate Richert [37:46]: "So, rock star. My gosh."

These stories not only entertain but also highlight the unpredictable nature of life in the entertainment industry.

Mental Health and Personal Struggles

A poignant segment of the episode addresses Nate's battles with anxiety and depression, shedding light on the often-overlooked mental health challenges faced by actors:

Nate Richert [62:55]: "I had random panic attacks over nothing."

He opens up about the stigma surrounding mental health during his early career and the impact it had on his professional life:

Nate Richert [64:27]: "I was afraid to talk about it. I thought I'd get fired."

The hosts share their own experiences, creating a supportive dialogue that underscores the importance of seeking help and breaking the silence around mental health issues.

Legacy and Fan Interaction

Nate discusses the profound impact of "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" on fans, particularly within LGBTQ+ communities:

Nate Richert [72:32]: "Many gay men have said we helped them find the courage to come out."

He expresses gratitude for the enduring love from fans and the opportunity to revisit his past roles at conventions, emphasizing the healing power of nostalgia:

Nate Richert [73:31]: "It's a fantastic feeling to relive it with everybody at these conventions."

Personal Life and Family

The conversation takes a heartfelt turn as Nate talks about his teenage son, who is following in his artistic footsteps by participating in musical theater:

Nate Richert [74:46]: "He's doing a musical right now. I'm going up there to watch him in Rent."

This segment highlights the generational bond and the passing of creative passions from father to son.

Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, the hosts and Nate reflect on the transformative journey from child actor to adult life, celebrating the enduring connections with the "Boy Meets World" family and the fans who have supported them for decades.

Danielle Fishel [76:35]: "We would love to see you again soon."

Nate leaves listeners with a sense of warmth and appreciation for the shared memories and ongoing legacy of 90s television.

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Notable Quotes

• Danielle Fishel [17:39]: "He starred in almost 125 episodes of Sabrina the Teenage Witch as Harvey Kinkle... made us look a whole lot better when it came time for renewal."

• Nate Richert [08:28]: "It was the spirit of the whale. The whale bone cursed him."

• Nate Richert [62:55]: "I had random panic attacks over nothing."

• Will Friedle [63:37]: "I was sitting right next to you."

• Nate Richert [73:31]: "Our Cast were family, and now the audience, I really feel that with them as well."

Conclusion

This episode of Pod Meets World offers a rich tapestry of laughter, nostalgia, and heartfelt honesty. Through Nate Richert's candid storytelling, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the joys and challenges faced by actors in the limelight. The hosts' supportive engagement underscores the importance of mental health awareness and the enduring bonds formed on set. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to the "Boy Meets World" universe, this episode provides a meaningful and entertaining listen that honors the past while embracing the present.

Transcript

[Danielle Fishel]

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I've been on a pretty extensive road trip. Like I've been on the road for three weeks and I'm still going to be on the road for another 10 days. But part of the trip was driving from Portland to my parents house in Sebastopol with another family. So it was me and Indy and Alex and then our friends in their car with their two daughters. And one of the games that we were playing, like, you know, we're doing all these sort of road trip games and stories and whatever, but one of them was the cursed item game where like we stopped for lunch somewhere. We were all having. We were in this little picnic area having sandwiches and it's like somebody picks an object that is cursed, like whoever has it is. And then throughout the road trip, you're passing this item like you're cursing the person. So we picked like, you know, the little tabs that close up bread.

[Guest Speaker]

Like.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, those little pin.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So we're like. So you do like stop for gas and like one of the kids would be like, hey, Ryder. And then just throw it in your lap and run away.

[Guest Speaker]

And then you're like, oh, I'm stuck.

[Ryder Strong]

With the cursed item. And then you're trying to like. So it was just like this ongoing thing that went on for days. Like, who has stuck with the bread bin? But what it reminded me of. Do you guys remember the clothespin stuff that we used to do?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, man. Oh my God. Poor memory online.

[Ryder Strong]

Poor memory, right. And what do we do? You remember what they call clothespins? It's like a film set thing. The C47.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, you don't know this yet?

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, my God.

[Ryder Strong]

So there's this whole thing where you call clothespins on film sets. C47s. Like it's a technical term. And I think it goes back to, like, that was a it. It was like a billing thing. Like, because if you were just buying clothespins, you couldn't count it as, like, gear, but they would, like, call it a C47, and then the studio heads wouldn't notice that they were spending money on clothespins.

[Guest Speaker]

But.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, so they're called C47s on sets. And that's, like, an ongoing thing I've experienced on almost every set. And I don't think people know about it because it's so obscure, but you try and take a clothespin and you pin it to people, like, a crew member who's, like, watching this, and you try. We used to add, like, 50 of them.

[Will Friedle]

Did you see how many you could clip onto somebody's.

[Danielle Fishel]

So many clothes pins?

[Ryder Strong]

So you clip them to, like, the. That was, like, the primary spot, like, where they wouldn't even feel it or know it. But then, like. Yeah, at the end of the day, somebody might have, like, five clothes pins on the back of their shirt and be like, oh, you got me.

[Will Friedle]

Rusty's. Rusty's jean jacket was, like, perfect for it. And so we would all just walk by, and he'd eventually go to sit down or something, and there would literally be 10 or 12 pins on the back of his jacket. So.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my God, I can't believe that. Didn't we used to write something on them, too? Our names? Did we write. Do we have our names on them? So he knew which clothespin was from who?

[Will Friedle]

I don't even remember. I just remember.

[Guest Speaker]

But it happened.

[Ryder Strong]

It's happened on every set I've ever. But, boy, we did it all the time. But it's like, it's a tradition, and it's like, I totally forgot about it until we were doing this cursed item thing. And I was like, why does this feel familiar? Oh, right. We used to do this all the time.

[Danielle Fishel]

So much fun. Speaking of cursed items, did you. Have you guys ever heard my cursed item story from Hawaii?

[Ryder Strong]

No, no.

[Will Friedle]

Like, wait, like the. Like the Brady Bunch with the tiki doll? What happened?

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know, but I don't know that episode.

[Guest Speaker]

What?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God. Famous. Yeah, famous Brady Bunch. Anyway.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, well, on one of my many family trips to Hawaii when I was a teen on Boy Meets World, we were playing in the ocean, as one does, right? You know, on the sand near the ocean. And my brother, who was probably no more than, like, eight at the time, eight or nine, comes running up, and he's got a bone, and he goes, look, it's a whale bone. And it's a big bone. And we're like, a whale bone? What are you talking about? And he's like, eating.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like the beginning of a CSI episode. Like, this is a human bone.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's a whale bone. Look at this whale bone. We're like, no, I don't think that's a whale bone. He refuses to get rid of it. He's, like, going to carry it around with him, so he takes it with him. Later that afternoon, we go on Jet Skis and we get jet Skis. We're out in the middle of the ocean and they have those emergency clips, kind of like treadmills, where you can attach it to yourself and fall off and it stops. So my dad is like doing donuts in his. On his Jet Ski as. As my dad would do. Yeah. And the jet, he's going really fast, so he's going at full speed and then turning it as quickly as he could and doing a spin. He goes flying straight up into the air. He gets like. I don't know what happened. He gets propelled straight up into the air. The emergency clip gets released. My dad lands back down on the jet Ski, starts bleed, cuts his shin open. And the jet Ski with the emergency key out of it then takes off. Just Jet ski possessed, gone out in the. My dad is now in the middle of the ocean, bleeding from his shin in the water.

[Ryder Strong]

It was the spirit of the whale. The whale bone cursed him.

[Danielle Fishel]

So the whale was getting. There are now at least four or five other examples on this trip. After my brother had this whale bone and it kept happening to my dad, like all these really bad things. Things kept happening to my dad.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, he's the. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And my brother. Finally, one day we're going to Whalers Village, which is the shopping center in. In Maui, and they have a museum there. And my dad goes, let's take this whale bone and. And show it to them and ask them if they have any idea what this bone is. It was a human femur. Oh, my God. That had washed up from the cemetery.

[Guest Speaker]

Holy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Cause the cemeteries there are. Their water levels have come up and the cemeteries. It was a human femur. And they said, the best thing for you to do is to take this back to the ocean where you found it and just throw it back.

[Ryder Strong]

The beginning of every scary story, Then you hear a voice at night, where's my femur? But it has to start as a whale voice, right?

[Guest Speaker]

And then.

[Ryder Strong]

It's not a whale.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's not a whale.

[Ryder Strong]

It's not.

[Danielle Fishel]

But we then after we knew this, my dad was like, wait a minute, I have. All these awful things have been happening to me ever since we've been in possession of this cursed item.

[Will Friedle]

Well, this happened. Have you ever heard of the making of Was it Poltergeist or Poltergeist 2? Have you ever heard. So they were literally kept having all these accidents, people getting hurt, the sets were crashing, all this stuff was going on. And one of the cast members was like, the skeletons we have. Where did you get these? And it turns out they were actual human skeletons that they got from like a medical lab. And they were. A Native American shaman came in and performed these rituals and they took the bodies away and all the accidents stopped like instantly. It was like, it's one of the most famous Hollywood cursed kind of shooting a movie stories ever. Where even Craig T. Nelson is like. It was the craziest thing. I don't believe in any of this stuff. And we just. People were getting hurt stuff. Film wasn't coming out right. It was like everything was wrong with this shoot. And turned out they were using actual human. Human bodies. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Gosh.

[Will Friedle]

Crazy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But were they putting clothespins on the skeletons?

[Will Friedle]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

Were they putting clothespins on the skeletons.

[Will Friedle]

When they weren't looking? I had 50 clothespins on that skeleton.

[Ryder Strong]

C47 trick.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, my.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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Really?

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Guest Speaker]

Hello. Hey.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Guest Speaker]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so we're really happy that you're here with us.

[Guest Speaker]

Well, thank you so much for having me.

[Danielle Fishel]

We talked about how we reunited with you at our POD meets World, Boy meets World reunion party at Ryder's house. Yeah, exactly.

[Guest Speaker]

The little tacos. Wasn't that your birthday as well, Ryder?

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no, his birthday's in December.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

That was just a.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just a little fun gathering. You may have also come to the birthday. Did you also come to his birthday in December?

[Guest Speaker]

No, it was just that. Yeah, it was the.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just that one. Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Taco day. Taco Tuesday.

[Guest Speaker]

That's how I remember Taco Day.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, Taco day. That's how I remember Taco Tuesday. That's awes.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Guest Speaker]

I did.

[Danielle Fishel]

How did you convince your parents that you needed to move to Hollywood and make it as an actor?

[Guest Speaker]

I couldn't wait to get rid of me. It started my. My little sister and my mother did community theater, and one of the kids moms said, oh, you need to bring your daughter to this agency and have her do commercials. And I was just along for the ride. And so the agency was like, well, do you want to sign him too? And I just started auditioning at. I think I was seven.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

So did you want to do it? Is this something you were interested in or were you were just kind of.

[Danielle Fishel]

Were you trafficked?

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I was trafficked.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that's what it sounds like at that time.

[Guest Speaker]

I was in a dance school. I grew up in a dance school. Tap, jazz and ballet. It was, I guess, you know, my parents wanted to run the energy out of us. Rather than sending us to daycare, they. They sent us to this dance school. And that was back in the days of, you know, I. I thought I was going to learn to break dance because my friends that had done it, you know, everybody had their piece of cardboard out in the garage.

[Will Friedle]

And your parachute pants back here and your Nike pullover jacket. We were, I'm guessing, the same exact age. Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

And then I show up and it's ballet shoes and tap shoes. And I had a few cries and. But. But then I really got into it and it was. It was a very, very militant dance school. They took every. I took it very seriously, even with kids at a very young age. And, you know, all these things that. I'm sure you guys have been through this. You sure have. All these things where you. You laugh about all this stuff that. And then you realize later that was probably child abuse.

[Will Friedle]

Well, you gotta laugh. You gotta.

[Guest Speaker]

And so, yeah, it was a very strict. So this auditioning and having fun with dialogue and. And cracking the adults up is. Is something that I really loved. About it. And I was a latchkey kid, so I was sort of raised on television, you know, God.

[Will Friedle]

Where we, you and I have the same person. Very similar background.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. Where did you grow up?

[Will Friedle]

I grew up in Connecticut. I was a latchkey kid. I was a breakdancer. Did you prefer breaking or break into Electric Boogaloo? I'm curious.

[Guest Speaker]

I, I never got the chance to do either. It was just straight.

[Will Friedle]

No, I'm saying those are movies. There's movies breaking and breaking too.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I, I don't remember.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my goodness. Okay. We're not the same person at all anymore.

[Guest Speaker]

Now I'm gonna watch. I'll probably have some vague take notes.

[Danielle Fishel]

And you guys podcast on it.

[Guest Speaker]

Later sitcoms, you know, Nick at night and you know, I watched I Dream of Genie and then, then cut to what, 10, 12 years later and I, I got to act with Barbara Eden. It was amazing. So all, you know, everybody that I grew up watching was a guest star on, on the, on Sabrina. So I was like a kid in the candy store. You know, we had half the cast of Cheers and we had, you know, half the cast a laugh in.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right?

[Guest Speaker]

Just all this stuff.

[Danielle Fishel]

All the people kids love.

[Will Friedle]

That's how we were too. Yeah. We're having Soupy sales and Buddy hackett Like every 12 year old wanted, right?

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, Buddy Hackett. Yeah. Oh, wow. The only audio. I was a super shy kid back then too. You know, I could turn it on when I had dialogue, when I had a script memorized. But other than that, I was a really shy kid, so I was too afraid to get. The only autograph I ever got was Dom DeLuise. And I didn't ask for it. I just said, oh, I can't believe you're here. And the next day he brought in a signed headshot for me.

[Danielle Fishel]

That is so sweet.

[Guest Speaker]

It is really sweet. It's actually hanging on the wall.

[Nate Richard]

I love that.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's so nice. He's like, you know what? You're probably not going to ask for it, but I know you want it, so I'm gonna bring it to you.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe he could see that I was a shy kid. I don't know. And you know, we had Martin Moll on there and you know, we shared. He had one half the trail. They called it, what do they call him? The Two Bangers. He was on the other. And we'd bring guitars in and play music. But I, you know, I grew up watching. Roseanne was another show I watched. And so, you know, Clue, I think was the very first VHS tape. I bought my own allowance. Great. So, you know, I was automatically just. Yeah, it was a performer.

[Danielle Fishel]

You were a performing kid.

[Guest Speaker]

I was a performer kid.

[Danielle Fishel]

You get into acting, you sign with an agent around 7 years old in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis, yeah. Okay.

[Guest Speaker]

So lots and lots of commercials, you know, Legos, stuff like that. People find that stuff. It's on the Internet. Somebody will record the VHS tape and it's, you know, somebody found my Uno commercial.

[Ryder Strong]

Never goes away.

[Guest Speaker]

I was a little cave boy, you know, and that's the other thing I liked about it as a kid. You get to play dress up. I got to have, like, a prosthetic forehead and teeth and be a caveman. And. And the other thing I really loved about it as a kid was I'd get out of school, of course. Call to the office, your dad's here to pick you up. You have an audition. I was the only kid that could have a pager in school. Remember the pager days?

[Will Friedle]

Of course.

[Danielle Fishel]

Are you kidding me?

[Ryder Strong]

I miss the pager days. We'd be better off with that.

[Danielle Fishel]

When I have time, I have to make this phone call to. I know. So much better. I was just at a family reunion, and my aunt reminded me, do you remember at our last family reunion, someone threw you into the pool with your pager on and you were furious?

[Will Friedle]

That's about right. Ruin the pager.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, no. The other thing about our shows, we had a bunch of animals because everybody was getting turned into something all the time. And there was a chimp on the show, and just we were outside and my pager went off. The chimp, you know, handed him the pager, showed him where the button was, and he kept flipping the button going. He's all excited.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh. Do you have pictures of a chimp with your pager?

[Guest Speaker]

I got a. Let me see. I got the elephant. I finally saw an elephant go through the elephant doorstep.

[Will Friedle]

Very few people get to see that.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, we had a. I think we had a tiger or something at one point, and everybody, you know, obviously, that was a closed set situation.

[Will Friedle]

So, wait, did you shoot in front of an audience or. No, we did not. I was going to say, because you had so many set pieces that you couldn't really shoot in front of an audience.

[Guest Speaker]

And that's the other thing, too. It was a kind of a rude awakening when I did other shows that had audiences. It was just something that I was. I never really got used to, you know? Yeah. It took me a while to get over that.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Well, tiger and audience don't usually go very well together. So, yeah, not so good.

[Danielle Fishel]

So how did you make your way then from Minneapolis to Los Angeles and eventually booking Sabrina.

[Guest Speaker]

Graduated high school about a half a year early. Never took a study hall, never failed anything. And one of the eight agents at the agency in Minneapolis quit and started managing kids and taking them out to Los Angeles, getting them agents. And I was in her first wave of kids that came out. So I, I pretty much said, hey, I'd like to all my classes early so I can leave. And they said, well, we don't really do that. I said, well, I'd like to graduate high school, but I am gonna leave. So they're like, oh, okay. So luckily I was able to finish high school school. I came out here in February of 96. Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

February of 96. And what do you remember the audition for?

[Guest Speaker]

Sabrina saw three agents in the first day. I went with the last one and I, I, it was several weeks of different auditions. I did a pilot and a couple commercials. And yeah, I remember the very last audition that I had. The, the producer session. They had Melissa Reid with me. But it was like these seat, the seats were in a deck, you know, and, and so all the suits are there. She's sitting in the front row facing me. I guess they didn't want anybody judging her in any way. They wanted all the focus on me. And it was, it was, it was really cool being able to read with her. But the fact that she's in front of you and behind her is everybody just, you know, was odd. I remember just feeling weird. And I remember leaving there, like, well, that's another one. Yeah, like, I didn't think I was gonna get it. And then I remember the first episode that we did. I was like, ah, I just done a pilot that didn't go anywhere. So I'm like, ah, this isn't gonna, this will last a week or so.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Guest Speaker]

Didn't know it was gonna be seven years.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Was it, what was it like for you guys?

[Ryder Strong]

Same. We were probably auditioned in the exact same room. It's that ABC theater room. Like, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, okay. That was where. Yeah, yeah, same thing. I was like, already cynical at the age of 13. I was like, this thing's never gonna.

[Guest Speaker]

Go, never gonna happen.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. And then becomes your entire life, you know?

[Guest Speaker]

Well, I actually remember seeing your show. Like, I, I, I wasn't really in the demographic or so I thought for a lot of shows. But then when I look back, it's like oh, yeah, I remember watching you guys. I remember watching what other shows?

[Danielle Fishel]

Hanging with Mr. Cooper.

[Guest Speaker]

Step by step. Hang with Mr. Cooper, for sure.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. So you watched that little TGIF block before you were even on it. So you get the job, you start working, you shoot the pilot. You don't think it's gonna go because you've already done a pilot. You're already jaded. Just like writer had done a show that didn't go with Julie Andrews and he was like, that's it. I'm 12.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't really think I was jaded at the time because, you know, you saw a lot more other actors around you that you go, oh, that guy.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's jaded.

[Will Friedle]

That's true. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

But, yeah, in retrospect, I was. Yeah, I was a little too cynical for a 17 year old.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Does everyone on set click right away? Do you. Is the, is the, is the chemistry between you all just, just immediate?

[Guest Speaker]

I think with us it was. I remember hearing the story. Ken Cook was one of our executive producers and as he was getting hired, he said, I only want to do this if we're all a family. I want it to be a family with all the crew. That's the only way I'm going to do it. And that's what it turned out to be. And yeah, from day one, we were all just sort of hanging out together. Melissa had a get together with all the kids from, you know, from our cast and we, we watched some Clarissa explains it all.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, okay, nice.

[Danielle Fishel]

She's like, come to my house. I'd like to have you guys over. We're gonna watch me.

[Guest Speaker]

We're gonna watch me. You know, something about Melissa, though, is she grew up in, in it. You know, she was a star very early with the Nickelodeon show and, and that's something that I always thought about her is that, you know, with all these jaded actors that you meet, I thought that, you know, for somebody who didn't really get a chance to be a kid, she seems pretty damn grounded.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, yeah, she really was.

[Will Friedle]

Paula helped with that too, I think. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So, yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. Her mother was very protective, even though her mother was her executive producer. Yeah, she was still.

[Will Friedle]

She was a good balance.

[Guest Speaker]

And.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you're out here. Are you living by yourself? Are you living with your manager? Did you ever live at the Oak Woods?

[Guest Speaker]

Yes, absolutely. That's where I went first. That's where we landed.

[Will Friedle]

What was your building? What was your building?

[Guest Speaker]

I Switched around because what happened was I ran out of money and so I stayed with this guy, this sort of sketchy guy who had a conversion van and.

[Danielle Fishel]

By the river.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. Well, no, up. Up in the visitor lot. You remember the visitor lot? Way up at the top of the hill. Yes. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So great rollerblading.

[Guest Speaker]

At the visitor first, we were in somebody's studio apartment. So there was, I think, nine of us in a studio apartment.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Guest Speaker]

And just those footsteps alone were, again, enough to get the guy that lived below us to, you know, get us all get the boot. So then we go to the studio.

[Ryder Strong]

Apartments with the Murphy bed. Did it have a Murphy bed?

[Guest Speaker]

Yes, it did.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Guest Speaker]

If you showed up late, you're the one that had to sleep.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Quite a bit. Well, it was his. The guy who had the apartment. It was his bed. He slept on the bed. And everybody was just sort of lined up around the balcony. Was a nice place to sleep because it would stay nice and cool at night.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Guest Speaker]

And back then, you could get in and out of the security gate with any cardboard business card?

[Will Friedle]

Yes. Yes, that is correct.

[Guest Speaker]

Do you remember that? Really? Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. It was just a slot. And if you had anything that fit in the slot, the gate would open.

[Guest Speaker]

The gate would open. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

It was good security. Yeah, I fully remember that.

[Guest Speaker]

So it was myself and Michael Pena. I don't know if Michael Pena. So he and I. And we were roommates for a lot of years after. After that. But I remember it was he and I, what we would do is, if one of us had a callback or a producer session, we'd pull what little money we had, go down the hill to the. What is it called? The Star. Starlight Motel. Star. Do you know that's on.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can picture it on Olive. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

And so whoever had the audition got the bed. The other one got to sleep on the floor, but we were sleeping in a van sitting up, so.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, wait, are you talking about the Safari Inn?

[Guest Speaker]

That's it. That's the Safari.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So he had an audition, I think it was for My Fellow Americans with Jack Lemmon and James Garner. He had a great scene in that. But. So we walked back up the hill the next day, and they had fixed it so our. Our suitcases were in the van. And, you know, no cell phone back then, so all we had was the pager. And luckily, the. The guy who had the van, his number was in there. So we. You Know, went to the pay phone, called him and so, yeah, that was it for that. And then we were kind of roaming the streets for a couple days. And then I, I got a pilot. So they hired me as out of town. They put me up at the Hollywood Roosevelt. And then I made sure there was a fold out for Banya to sleep on.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my God.

[Guest Speaker]

It was wild times, man.

[Will Friedle]

Such a Hollywood story.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's such a Hollywood story. Also the luck of like. Well, I've been homeless for a few days. I've got an audition though, and then I book it. I got a pilot. They're gonna book me as out of town, so they're giving me a room, like by the seat of your pants.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, I went home twice and had to come back to do a commercial that I booked before I. Or like after I got home, I found out I got the job. So then I had to turn around and go back.

[Will Friedle]

How many of you lived in the van?

[Guest Speaker]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 of us in a conversion van with all of our stuff too. So it wasn't like everybody got a chair, no suitcases, got one of those chairs. You could sleep on the floor in between all of them or sit up, you know, because it couldn't recline all the way because the stuff in the back, it was bizarre. But you know that Oakwood was like. I used to throw the football around with Jessica Biel, played basketball with Macaulay Culkin. It was just all this weirdness. Like, such a weird. My first year out of in Los Angeles, especially around Oakwood, was so packed full of weird memories.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh yeah. Wild and fun and just bizarre.

[Guest Speaker]

Just bizarre times. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So life drastically changes then very, very quickly. Yeah. You get Sabrina, you shoot the pilot within the first season. It's an undeniable smash for the network. How does life change for you?

[Will Friedle]

And bigger van.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, bigger van. How does life change for you? What do you do?

[Guest Speaker]

I. I was still 17, so I couldn't legally get an apartment. So I had to get one of the van guys to co sign so I could have an apartment.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Guest Speaker]

And then things just got progressively weirder because the. The roommate was odd and he came home one night, I was sitting on the couch in the dark, playing my guitar, watching the A tube television that was this big and weighed 75 pounds. And the stark in the room, the doors open, the light from the hallway, I see this big hair. I was like, what? Who the. So I'm getting robbed by somebody crazy and the lights come on and I'm still playing the guitar as the lights come on, and it's David Lee Roth coming through the door. Wow. He came back from the bar with this roommate guy I had, and he starts singing, so I just kept playing.

[Danielle Fishel]

And. So David Lee Roth comes into your apartment. He's just hanging, hanging out, singing for.

[Guest Speaker]

The song I'm playing.

[Danielle Fishel]

And what, does he just pour himself a drink and make himself at home?

[Guest Speaker]

No. He pulled out from his tuxedo jacket pocket a large manila envelope and opens it up and folds it out on the table, and it's a pile of cocaine like this. And he goes, take what you want. And I was. I was like, all right, this is. It's well beyond my level of how much weird I could take. So I was like, I'm gonna go to sleep. Thanks. Thanks for the good times. Wow. About 5:36am I still hear them rustling around out there. So I go out and it's time for Diamond David to go home. And so we walk them down the elevators down to, you know, the sun's coming up. And his limo driver, the poor guy had been out there all night sitting in the car waiting for him. And, you know, it wasn't a great part of Hollywood that we were living at the time in that apartment. It wasn't Oakwood at that time. This is. Okay, later than that. And so we had prostitutes all. All the way around the limo looking in the windows to see who's in there. And Dave comes out of our apartment and goes, hey, ladies. And they all freak out. Oh, it's Dave. And he's signing autographs. And he gets in his limo and he drives. A new day begins.

[Ryder Strong]

A new day begins.

[Danielle Fishel]

A new day begins and you're already a tuxedo jacket.

[Guest Speaker]

So rock star. My gosh. So rock star. And all of this stuff happens within the first year that I'm here, and it's just like. Nothing like that, you know, has happened since.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, right. No.

[Guest Speaker]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

Welcome to Hollywood, kid.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much.

[Danielle Fishel]

So what does your family think at this point? You're now on a huge.

[Guest Speaker]

They know very little. Oh, about the show? Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, I wanted to know what do they think about David Lee Roth and this mound of coke and the mound of cocaine?

[Guest Speaker]

No, no. They were. I think they were in a little bit of disbelief because they thought, oh, he's gonna go out there, he's gonna run out of money, he's gonna come home and. Right. Honestly, that's what I figured was gonna happen.

[Danielle Fishel]

You were like. It was a possibility.

[Guest Speaker]

Be honest. Yeah. I had to give it a shot, you know, so. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did they watch Sabrina?

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They had a watch party for our pilot and had all their friends and family come over and.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, okay, I, I, first of all, I'm gonna have 900 questions about David Lee Roth and the cocaine, but I won't, I won't ask any of those. I will, I will get, I'll keep it Sabrina friendly.

[Guest Speaker]

I don't even know what kind of audience you guys are.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, they're fine.

[Guest Speaker]

We got all ages.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, we do.

[Guest Speaker]

We have, we didn't say naughty words and everything.

[Will Friedle]

Cocaine, David Lee Roth fans. So going we our show, obviously you have, the schedule is very particular because then it builds up to audience night and that's, you know, you're pointing towards the show. Were you guys filming almost every day or did you have standard run throughs and rehearsals? And then you'd shoot a day kind of thing.

[Guest Speaker]

Monday was table read and half a day of run through. I mean, we showed up at 10 and we were done by, I don't know, four or five. Yeah, right, yeah. And then Tuesday was more blocking and then the network run through at the end of that day. And then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we shot.

[Will Friedle]

You shot three days.

[Danielle Fishel]

Three days.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, gotcha.

[Guest Speaker]

Because all the little moments. Yeah, A lot of pausing and back then it was still, you know, it was still early on and all those effects. So, yeah, there were things like they'd have a large tube television. What was the biggest one back then? 36 inches.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I had a 50. I was a rock star. It was the first thing I bought. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

People to care.

[Will Friedle]

It was, it was insane. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So I remember them having to basically, with a grease marker or grease pen, draw the outline of, say she's just popping in a book. So. And she'd have to hold like that and they'd lock off the camera. Lock it. Sometimes we'd go to lunch at that point and then she'd have to come back and they'd be like, okay, hand up just a little bit. Drop your pinky. All right, lift your thumb. And action. And then, you know, and so that took a lot of time to get all those moments.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

Can you think?

[Guest Speaker]

Of course. Shooting three cameras. Cameras. So it did help.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Can you think of one, One specific, like, magic moment that just took forever to have to do?

[Guest Speaker]

No, no, that's good. The guy. Yeah, yeah, the guy who ran it, Steve Callback. He was, he was just, I think he just had it down after a while. I mean, at first it was tough to get because to just first of all, you're looking, you know, your flip reversed image. So you gotta have that communication down. But by the end he's like, like. Or they would turn the monitor toward you so you could kind of see where you, you know. And I didn't personally have to do a lot of that, so.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, yeah, you weren't magical.

[Guest Speaker]

Melissa did spend a lot of after hours, you know. Yeah, again, like Trooper, right? She, yeah, she's in almost every scene. She has to do almost all of that magic stuff. So. Yeah, yeah. I mean the stuff for me is like, oh, I got turned into a frog. So I sitting in a car behind with a green screen and I just kind of have to go, yeah, right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Shrink down.

[Guest Speaker]

And then like, yeah, that'll work. You know, you're good.

[Will Friedle]

We'll make that work. Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Guest Speaker]

I think just watching myself, I would get two in my head or something. You know, I didn't want to. You know, I wanted to feel how I was doing and see the reactions that I was hoping to get because the crew was welcome to laugh at things. So if you can crack the crew up, that was pretty much your goal, so. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

No, I think I would have gotten too much in my head also. I wasn't really in the demographic for the show.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, it wasn't Cheers. It wasn't, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

But they were really genius about having, you know, really did get. Get the whole family to watch it when you've got basically this kids show.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Guest Speaker]

But all the guest stars, the parents tuned in for Shelly Long and for, you know, George Went and Davy Jones.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know, we had.

[Will Friedle]

Davy made the rounds on the same network.

[Guest Speaker]

Right. So. Yeah, I'm sure they. They got a deal.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. You. You had them on. You guys just shoot on Friday or did you shoot Thursday nights?

[Will Friedle]

Thursday nights.

[Guest Speaker]

Thursday nights. What was Friday then?

[Ryder Strong]

Table read.

[Danielle Fishel]

Table read day.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So we.

[Guest Speaker]

For the following. Oh, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Right on. Was that the typical form?

[Danielle Fishel]

It was for us because Michael Jacobs was Jewish and observed the Sabbath. So he wanted his early day to be Friday. So we would be done usually by like three or four o' clock on Friday so that he could go. And then we'd be able to tape late on Thursdays.

[Guest Speaker]

Sweet.

[Will Friedle]

And then by the end, we didn't rehearse at all on Fridays. Table read and then bounce.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sweet. When that happened, that was power, man.

[Will Friedle]

I was like. That was like. By six season, it was like. Yeah, we worked for.

[Danielle Fishel]

We don't want to rehearse anymore. We've got this down.

[Will Friedle]

I don't want to stay here for three hours.

[Guest Speaker]

God.

[Will Friedle]

When you look back at it, we were awful.

[Guest Speaker]

Now, I was always too shy to put any foot down for myself. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Were you also auditioning for movies at the same time, or were you just focused on Sabrina?

[Guest Speaker]

I didn't really. It's an interesting situation with my representation, let's just put it that way. I didn't get sent out for a lot. I actually just had my first ever audition for a Law and Order. Isn't that weird? I should have had a Law and Order audition, shouldn't I? I mean.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

How many shows they even had back then?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So, I mean, that's. That's the way I weigh it out, you know?

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

Not one Law and Order. But. Yeah, no, I. I did have some. And what ended up happening was I get offered things and I would do them and. Am I saying too much already, Daniel?

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Guest Speaker]

And I would just do that movie.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Guest Speaker]

You know where I'm going here. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nate and I did a movie together called game box 1.0.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, whatever. How have we never.

[Guest Speaker]

Wishful thinking. What's that?

[Will Friedle]

We've never. Danielle has never mentioned.

[Guest Speaker]

Ever have done. We've gone to great lengths to make sure you never did.

[Will Friedle]

So we're going to be reviewing that movie on the podcast.

[Guest Speaker]

We should.

[Danielle Fishel]

We really should review Game Box.

[Will Friedle]

Of course we should. Was there a game box 2.0?

[Danielle Fishel]

Was there a. They wanted there to be, but no.

[Guest Speaker]

It was wishful thinking in that title. That. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

How many. How many days did we shoot that in? I don't know.

[Guest Speaker]

I think a week.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, really.

[Guest Speaker]

I mean, we shot the rehearsals. I could tell you that.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know, I know.

[Guest Speaker]

There was. No, we never.

[Will Friedle]

What is this movie about? And how have we never discussed game box 1.0?

[Guest Speaker]

I hadn't seen. Okay, so the first 90s gone. I see Caroline showing up in her shuttle. We sit down in this little lobby area at the Hotel. I kind of turn over. I'm sitting with Caroline this way. My manager's sitting over here. She gets distracted over here. I get distracted over there. And the next thing I know, Danielle has come in and sat in between us, and she's talking to Caroline, and Caroline says, oh, Nate, Danielle, do you guys know each other? And I said, oh, yeah, Danielle and I did this cinematic masterpiece. Danielle goes, shut up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Keep your mouth shut, Nate. Geez, I go to great lengths to never talk about these things. And Nate's just over here, willy nilly, throwing them out.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yes. Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Here he is, joining on my podcast.

[Guest Speaker]

Thanks a lot.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why'd I invite you here?

[Guest Speaker]

You can edit that out. You can edit that, right? Are we live?

[Will Friedle]

We're editing out nothing.

[Danielle Fishel]

We absolutely will review it. I avoided watching it for a long time and then did watch it, and I don't know what to call those. Special effects.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God. 2004 science fiction. You did a science fiction action movie, and you've never brought this up?

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know if I'm excited or pissed. Oh, I'm looking at the trailer right now. Why are you unconscious?

[Guest Speaker]

I have so many questions while you're excited or pissed. Once you watch it, you'll be neither one of those things.

[Will Friedle]

You'll be expert video game tester. Escapes reality by playing a mysterious game he received in the mail. The game immerses the player in a virtual world. The only catch being that if he doesn't win the game, it'll cost him his life. Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

What?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, I'm so excited.

[Guest Speaker]

Gripping. Gripping.

[Will Friedle]

I'm so excited. You have no idea.

[Guest Speaker]

I really shouldn't talk. The stuff that. I mean, they. They handed me the job. I should be grateful. Right? Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Wait, Patrick Rena was in this too?

[Guest Speaker]

Yes, he was.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's right.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, he was there on Taco Tuesday.

[Danielle Fishel]

Together so many times.

[Guest Speaker]

But you didn't. Danielle, you didn't have any scenes with him. I think he was just, like, in my office scenes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, so maybe I wouldn't have even. Yeah. Okay.

[Guest Speaker]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is funny.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

I'm so excited.

[Guest Speaker]

It's not like we had a rap party or anything.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Are there any other films that you've done, Danielle, that we are unaware of?

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't think.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, this is the best. Thank you. Love when we find new episodes.

[Ryder Strong]

That's definitely an episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

We were definitely doing that as a rewatch for sure.

[Guest Speaker]

All right. And that'll be the first time I've watched it other than I Did go to the screening, but I kind of watched it like. Like this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Through your eye. I know. Did I go to that screening? Was I there too?

[Guest Speaker]

I don't think so.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't think she was already avoiding any.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Responsibilities in this project.

[Guest Speaker]

And every. All the crew. Everybody is like, just kind of silently walked out of the theater afterwards.

[Danielle Fishel]

That was a movie. That was a movie.

[Guest Speaker]

Did something.

[Danielle Fishel]

We made something.

[Guest Speaker]

We did.

[Ryder Strong]

It's the worst feeling in the world, though, when you're the actor that, like. Yeah, I've had to get up and do Q&As after a prem screening for something that I was in, and I'm just like, I don't feel good about this.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't want to.

[Will Friedle]

Hey, I have a question. Why'd your movie suck?

[Guest Speaker]

Exactly. Oh, I have answers for that now.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, we've all been there. We've all been there.

[Danielle Fishel]

So, Nate, you did 125 episodes of Sabrina. How many seasons was that?

[Will Friedle]

I did.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

That's a. Quite a few.

[Danielle Fishel]

Quite a few.

[Guest Speaker]

How many seasons? I think we did six altogether. They revamped the show at one point, so I got booted, and then they brought me for the last two episodes. It was crushing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Boy Meets World did that to people too. Where all of a sudden you just show up and it's a new season and there's Somebody's not going to be there anymore. How did you find out they were going to let you go?

[Guest Speaker]

Paula told me, and she did it very nicely. I think what it boiled down to was we've exhausted the story lines for your character and we're going in a different direction. Before the. You know, this was towards the end of the. The last year that I did the full of.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, okay.

[Guest Speaker]

And I was. I was like, what exactly does that. I didn't realize I was getting fired just yet. I was like, what. What exactly does that mean?

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. Right. Where did your. Where did your character's storyline. And like, where did it end when they were then letting you know that we've exhausted it? Were you with. With Sabrina? What was your. What was your storyline?

[Guest Speaker]

I don't know. I didn't watch a damn thing. No, I think. No, I think she'd been dating David Lasher's character at that point or had that not happened? No, I think we were still together.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Guest Speaker]

And then. But we knew we were going to different colleges.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, okay.

[Guest Speaker]

Something to that effect. Yeah. I watched the very first one we shot because Melissa had a party and made us all watch it. I watched the first one she ever directed because she had a party and right at us all over to watch it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, those are the two episodes you had seen.

[Will Friedle]

And then Clarissa.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, so they let you go and it's crushing.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

What do you do next?

[Guest Speaker]

Well, that's the thing. I, you know, I was still 20, I want to say 21, 22. You know, I was just like, oh, something else.

[Danielle Fishel]

But your representation, you said was not still a kid.

[Guest Speaker]

And yeah, they didn't really have anything lined up for me. I did come pretty close to Scrubs. It was about that time. I think we were shifting over or that might have been a little early year. You know, I got real close to a lot of things, but yeah, just never clicked. And. And the auditions became very, very few and far between after my agent had passed away. And so I kind of got left with whoever was around to. To take me at the time. And being a kid from Minnesota, like, I, I didn't know anything about career choices or staying active or proactive. And, you know, we've talked about that.

[Danielle Fishel]

So much on the show, about how for. For all of us whose families had nothing to do with the entertainment industry knowing. To think of what we were doing like a business and thinking about, you know, well, I gotta strike while the iron's hot. They just let me go from Sabrina. I've just spent five seasons on that. I'm probably a pretty hot commodity right now. And if my agent's not finding me somebody, even just thinking about the fact that your representation should be working for you and for you to then be like, shopping yourself to other agents and managers, like, you would have been snapped up immediately had you known to even be shopping yourself.

[Guest Speaker]

Not a clue. Not a clue. I had no idea.

[Will Friedle]

And there's no social media, so it's.

[Guest Speaker]

Not like, do something else for a while. I bought a duplex. I was remodeling that. I had a construction background as a kid, so I was just having fun with life as a 20 something.

[Danielle Fishel]

When did you. What do you mean? You had a construction background? You started on Sabrina at 17. When did you. When did you learn construction?

[Guest Speaker]

I grew up. My dad was in construction all of his life. And on the side he would build a house. While we lived in it, he would build another one and then we'd sell and move on the side of his regular digit. So, you know, the house when we were living in, my sister and I would start to get to that age. We were bickering a lot. And so our rooms are right next to each other. So my dad said, I'm buying you the lumber, go down in the basement, frame it in, hang the drywall. And that's where my room was for junior high, high school. But yeah, I just grew up. My first job job apart from acting was literally roofing houses in the summertime.

[Danielle Fishel]

Gosh, that's so cool. So cool. I knew how to do nothing.

[Guest Speaker]

It's so weird out here.

[Ryder Strong]

She could be Topanga.

[Danielle Fishel]

I could do Barbie commercials. I could. I could go to do with it. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Out here, it's unbelievable. And where I from, it's just like, that's you. If you can't do that, there's something wrong with you. Yeah. As a boy, anyway.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

I mean, you just. Yeah. My first toys were a chunk of 2x4 and a hammer.

[Danielle Fishel]

Adler needs to. What is Adler doing with his life? He is six years old and he doesn't know how to build a room.

[Guest Speaker]

Gotta get him on it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Come on, Adler, you're becoming a slacker.

[Guest Speaker]

This old house is still watchable.

[Will Friedle]

It's a great show.

[Guest Speaker]

That's a great show.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nate, you have been very open about how anxiety and depression held you back from being really able to pursue acting. Much past Sabrina. Something else you and will have in common. When did you start to experience anxiety and depression?

[Guest Speaker]

I want to say, like around puberty. And not that it had anything to do with being interested in girls or the changes. I mean, probably chemical changes, but I know some of it's hereditary. My mother's battled with it all her life. And it's generalized anxiety disorder. I. I'll have random panic attacks over nothing.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. It's fun, isn't it?

[Guest Speaker]

It. Yeah. I did have a. I had a very long wait for an audition for Team America. Turns out they didn't hire any actors at all. But I waited in the waiting room for. I think it was a total of three and a half hours.

[Will Friedle]

I was sitting right next to you.

[Guest Speaker]

Were you? And Paul Rudd was sitting across.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know Paul. I know. I. And Ziering was there.

[Guest Speaker]

Did you go in? I can't remember. You either went in before me.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know. I. I did. I did all the scratch track stuff for that. For Team America that day.

[Guest Speaker]

Okay. Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they didn't hide. They didn't put anybody in the movie. Right. Oh, was he really? God, I didn't. Wow. I didn't remember that.

[Guest Speaker]

Started talking about anxiety and panic attacks. And he started talking about Lexapro. Oh, and I'm on that to this day.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

So you left that audition with an idea in your mind, pocket full of.

[Guest Speaker]

Knowledge and, you know, and it might be a Midwest thing as well, or maybe it was just the time. But you did not talk about that kind of stuff. No.

[Will Friedle]

Nope.

[Guest Speaker]

You know, I was afraid to talk about it. I thought I'd get fired. First of all, you know, you feel like there's something definitely wrong with me that I, that I just have to get over or I have to fix this on my own and if I.

[Danielle Fishel]

Tell people about it, it's going to be a liability, right?

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, absolutely. I was no doubt in my mind they would have fired me. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea. But that's the, the extra. That's the real stress I lived under, you know. But I could have a panic attack in line at the grocery store.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So it's not like there's any real rhyme or reason to it.

[Danielle Fishel]

How were you able to balance that while also being on Sabrina? Did you ever have a panic attack on set or while shooting?

[Guest Speaker]

Lots. Oh, lots. Lots and lots. Yeah. You just kind of suck it up and that. Like I said, that's back before medication. I don't think the Lexapro came. So I don't know. When was Team America.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Seriously? Well, I was started. So I started on Boost Bar when it was Boost Bar and Celexa when I was, it was six season of boy between six and seven.

[Danielle Fishel]

Medication.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Guest Speaker]

And how, how were you able to procure that?

[Will Friedle]

My doctor. So I went to a doctor because I thought I was dying. I, I, I, I myself having heart attacks. My first anxiety attack took place on camera. Like they used the take. I was shooting a movie so I can actually watch my first anxiety.

[Guest Speaker]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

And I thought I was dying. So when I got home, I've had the same doctor since I was like 17. And I sat there and I'm telling him all the, the symptoms. And he said, oh, you have, I think, anxiety. And I said, no, no, you don't understand. It's like, or I'm having a stroke or something. He said, no, no, it's anxiety. I said, no, it's not. Listen to me. And so he started to read all. He goes, let me read you a list of things. And he read me essentially everything I was to going, going through. And I said, yes, that, whatever that is, that's what I have. And he turned over the pamphlet and it says, so you're dealing with anxiety. And it was actually a pamphlet put out by this medication called Boost Bar at the time. Which also I think the side effect they said is that I might have quit smoking too. Which is like one of those kind of things, which I didn't. But yeah, the, the Boost bar was the first thing that I took and then I was taking that during boy. Which is why between six and seven season I put on so much weight is because the medication I was, you know, know you gain weight on a lot of this stuff. So I came back a lot heavier because I was just medicating myself to, to perform. So it was. Yeah, I was doing that same thing. But you know, you're right, you didn't like why am I wait, I'm having a panic attack now. What the hell is this for? Yeah, I just never knew.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I didn't believe neither.

[Will Friedle]

And you didn't know when they were going to come and it was, that was the thing. And then because you couldn't talk about it at the time, then you're just suffering with it in silence and it just gets worse. You just start to spiral because, because of all that stuff. So yeah, nowadays with, with at least being able to discuss mental health, you know, nowadays you say, oh, I'm sorry, I deal with anxiety. I'm a little, I'm a little anxious right now. Half of the people in the room go, me too. Like, don't worry about it, we're good.

[Guest Speaker]

That was the biggest game changer for me.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Besides the Lexapro, obviously. But just the fact that you hear so many times, I, I have that as well.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Guest Speaker]

You know, and just knowing how common it is really. It's not like, you know, you're, you're grown up to think that something's wrong with you. It's, it's a new problem. There's something wrong with you. Suck it up, get over it. And yeah, just knowing that there's so many people that have it too is just. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Knowing you're not alone.

[Guest Speaker]

But yeah, so got done with the show and you know, there weren't a lot of auditions. A lot of the ones I was getting, I wasn't really right for. And then the ones I really wanted, I would have full blown panic attacks in the, in the audition. And I even had some casting directors say, hey, can you stay for 45 minutes or an hour? And they would work with me on the auditions knowing that I was suffering. Maybe they didn't know why, but there were a few casting directors and out there that were extra helpful. That's awesome.

[Will Friedle]

I just stopped Auditioning, I literally just.

[Guest Speaker]

Stopped for years, and I did. Eventually, I just kind of gave up. I never called it giving up. I always. But I wasn't doing anything at all proactive.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Other than making sure I had representation.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

Who was also not very proactive. So.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Makes the. Makes trying to have a career very difficult in that situation. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So I was, like, just waiting for the phone to ring, like that was gonna.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I still do that. They said they joke with me to this day that I still do that, where they're like, well, if you want to get in a Hallmark movie, you gotta do something about it. And Ryder's like, you're just waiting for them to knock on the door. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. I want them to knock on the door.

[Danielle Fishel]

Will thinks that because we talked about him wanting to do a Hallmark movie on the podcast, it'll happen.

[Will Friedle]

That's my audition that's there.

[Guest Speaker]

Thank you very much.

[Will Friedle]

Auditioning is still my biggest trigger, so I just don't do it.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, well, I. I got to the point where I. I really wanted to work again. It's the only, like, it's the only time that I am actually comfortable. Like when the camera's rolling. I can't remember ever having a panic attack.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

It's everything else that comes along with it. So just the auditions especially, you feel like you got the interrogation light on you, that sort of thing. And so, you know, just a few years back, maybe 2017, I really wanted to start auditioning again and get the representation and be proactive. And I knew I needed to get over that hurdle. And so I was trying to think of, like, what's the scariest thing I could think of was getting on stage, which. I'm not a theater actor. You know, I like the ship in a bottle sort of thing that we do with television and, you know, not the open sea thing that live theater is. So getting on stage without a script. So I started doing Second City, and just the games that they play and just the stuff that forces you to get out there and start opening your mouth and getting those laughs is so much fun. And unfortunately, I didn't survive Covid, but that's what I ended up doing. And I did that for a few years. And now it's like that fear around auditioning is now gone. Right. At the time where we're all doing self tape now, I can't put it into practice.

[Will Friedle]

Right, right.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. I feel like that. That part of the fear is maybe not gone gone, but at least I'VE got. Got some tools to, to make it manageable, you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's great. And as you mentioned, we are now able to participate in some great nostalgia conventions, including 90s con. What has it been like, like for you to revisit Sabrina and seeing its effect on fans 30 years later?

[Guest Speaker]

It's been really great. When we used to do things like that back in the day, I was always terrified to do them. Feeling so self conscious. All this other stuff we've been talking about and this time around, it's. It's almost like I'm just having this, the nostalgia with them.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So there are. They're telling me I have to remember, oh yeah, I was that guy a lot of times, you know, and so to, to find out how much love everybody had for the show. And you know, I've had so many gay men say, there was this particular episode you did. Sabrina turns into a boy, but she's still being effeminate. And I'm saying to her, you know, it's cool with me. I just don't want you to, you know, So I was being protective, basically. And, and so many gay men have said, you helped me have the courage to come out to my friends.

[Will Friedle]

That's great.

[Guest Speaker]

And family for that matter. But, you know, I think mom and dad are an obstacle, but friends are another obstacle. And so that was super, super freaking heartwarming. I got, I get choked up when I hear those stories and just how connected people feel to the show, to the characters, and how much we all were a part of people's childhoods. I don't know. It's something you, you didn't. I didn't think of at the time that I was going to be shaping people's childhoods or a partner shaping people's childhoods. And now their kids are watching it with them with these reruns on Amazon or Hulu or wherever they're seeing it. And it's just, I don't know, it's a fantastic feeling. So to get to relive it with everybody at these conventions is. It's really something special.

[Danielle Fishel]

Absolutely. I know we feel, we feel very much the same way. Like you said, it feels like there's something about being older and having the distance from it that now instead of it feeling so much like it's us, it, it does. It feels almost like slightly like other people. There's something that feels just so much. We're like we're experiencing the nostalgia with them. Exactly what you said was a great way of saying it.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. Our Crews were family, our cast were family, and now the audience, I really feel that with them as well, which is definitely. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, I know you've since seen. I know you said during the time the show was on, you had only seen two episodes, but since then, you have seen more Sabrina episodes because you have a teenage son. Right. And he wanted to watch it.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, well, he does that by himself. He didn't watch it. I still don't. No, No. I don't think he wanted me to see it with him either.

[Danielle Fishel]

What do you think his react. Did he tell you what his reaction was to seeing his teenage dad on screen in front of him?

[Guest Speaker]

You know what I hear the most is, oh, I look so much like you did back then. So sweet. It's like I'm looking in a mirror.

[Danielle Fishel]

He says, that is so cute. Has he shown any interest in the business?

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, yeah. He's doing a musical right now.

[Danielle Fishel]

Is he?

[Guest Speaker]

Yep. So I'm going up there to watch him in Rent.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow, Nice.

[Will Friedle]

It's just a bunch of people who don't have a job. That's all that Rent is. When I. Every time I see it as an adult now, I'm like, wow, someone get.

[Ryder Strong]

A job and you can keep your place.

[Will Friedle]

Try that.

[Guest Speaker]

But it's also, like, a really nice place, isn't it?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's all right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, that's wonderful. Congratulations. I hope. I hope you enjoy watching him in Rent. Don't let Will.

[Will Friedle]

No, it's a great show. Bunch of dead beats. Love it.

[Danielle Fishel]

I love Grandpa Republican Will.

[Guest Speaker]

Not even a Republican. It's just.

[Will Friedle]

Just as a kid, you watch it and you're like, yeah, they're fighting for the power as an adult. I'm like, someone needs to get a job.

[Guest Speaker]

Someone needs to get a job.

[Will Friedle]

Get a job. That's your problem. Why? You can't afford rent. You can sing as much as you want.

[Guest Speaker]

What. What are their professions? Are they. They. They.

[Ryder Strong]

One of them carries a camera around.

[Will Friedle]

You know, one of them does that, the other one does nothing. It's like, hey, so weird. I didn't do anything today and I can't afford rent. Yeah, what are the chances? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Nate says somebody do some roofs. Come on.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody get through some roofing in the summer.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, you gotta do something or else David is not gonna show up with a giant thing of cocaine. You gotta earn that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, mate, thank you so much for being here with us.

[Guest Speaker]

Thank you, guys.

[Danielle Fishel]

So much fun to talk to you. Hopefully we get to reunite with you.

[Guest Speaker]

Soon.

[Danielle Fishel]

If not at a 90s con, at a taco party or a Korean barbecue party. Some sort of gathering. We would love to see you again soon.

[Guest Speaker]

Game Box.

[Danielle Fishel]

We are going to redo that. We've been meaning to do it should.

[Guest Speaker]

I kept my mouth shut on that one.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. So excited for this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you for being here. Always good to see you. Give our love to Natanya, please.

[Guest Speaker]

Will do. I will right now.

[Ryder Strong]

Good to see you.

[Guest Speaker]

Bye. Bye.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, God.

[Will Friedle]

Some of the stories are so. I mean, I'm not even gonna get into Game Box because I'm like, how have you never mentioned this movie before? Just the title. Game Box 1.0. Oh, magical.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, goodness. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

His stories, though.

[Guest Speaker]

That's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why was David Lee Roth coming home with his roommate?

[Will Friedle]

I get. I mean, obviously just to do blow, but if you've got that much coke, then what are you going to.

[Danielle Fishel]

Somebody else got a limo and a driver.

[Ryder Strong]

It was probably like an awards show night. And, like, everyone else went home and he was like, I gotta keep going. Let's take the limo and let's go find somebody. Yeah, he's in a tuxedo. He must have been coming off of, like, the Grammys or something.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, man.

[Ryder Strong]

And everybody else went to sleep and he's like, well, I got the limo till five in the morning, so let's.

[Will Friedle]

Go to some random apartment in Hollywood.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why not? Like, where did he live? Why not go to David Lee Roth's place? You would think, yeah, very strange.

[Will Friedle]

And there's like 42 people living in a van. I mean, some of the stories he.

[Danielle Fishel]

Had are nine people in the studio.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I know that, like, at that age, like, I didn't care. Like, the idea where I slept, I didn't care. I would just be like, oh, yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

What are we doing? We're gonna.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, if I, like, went on a road trip or something, we would just sleep in cars on the side of the road. I mean, I would literally just be like. We wouldn't even think about it. We'd just be like, well, we're gonna get to New Orleans by what, two days from now? So then we just sleep in fields, like, pull off. And then if you wake up and, like, cows would be walking around you and you'd just be like, oh, right. The only thing you worried about is if a cop was going to, like. Yeah, but it's.

[Danielle Fishel]

So.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, now I'm like, if I don't have a bed, that sucks, man. So uncomfortable. But at that age, you just don't care. You're like I'll sleep sitting up. Him and Michael Pena. I love it. I love it.

[Will Friedle]

The stories are great.

[Danielle Fishel]

He's always been like such a. You can tell nothing about his success or anything has changed one bit of who he was from the time he was a kid.

[Ryder Strong]

Nope, nope.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just true. Salt of the earth. Nice guy.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails pod meets worldshow gmail.com and we've got Merch.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

Oh my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

The Girlfriends is back with a new season and this time I'm telling you The Story of Kelly Harnett Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit. As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law. He goes, oh God. Harnett Jailhouse Lawyer and became a beacon of hope for the women locked up alongside her. You're supposed to have faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her. I think I was put here to save souls by getting people out of prison. The Girlfriends Jailhouse Lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nate Richard]

Just like great shoes, great books take you places through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget.

[Danielle Fishel]

I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies.

[Nate Richard]

I'm Danielle Robaix and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from hello Sunshine and iheart Podcast where we dive into the stories that shape.

[Danielle Fishel]

Us on the page and off.

[Nate Richard]

Each week I'm joined by authors, celebs, book talk stars and more for conversations that will make you laugh, cry, and add way too many books to your TBR pile. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Danielle Fishel]

So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

[Will Friedle]

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy.

[Guest Speaker]

Drove a car into a pond and.

[Danielle Fishel]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Guest Speaker]

Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. Every week we go behind the headlines.

[Will Friedle]

And beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Danielle Fishel]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Nate Richard]

This is an iHeart podcast.