Nicole Eggert Meets World

Summary

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Pod Meets World: "Nicole Eggert Meets World"

Episode Date: September 1, 2025
Podcast: Pod Meets World (iHeartPodcasts)
Featuring: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Rider Strong, Nicole Eggert

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Overview

This episode reunites the Pod Meets World hosts—Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, and Rider Strong—with iconic 90s star Nicole Eggert, best known for her roles in "Charles in Charge," "Baywatch," and her guest appearance on "Boy Meets World." The conversation traverses Nicole’s early career, her experiences as a child and teen star, industry challenges, behind-the-scenes stories from TV sets, her personal battles—including her public journey with breast cancer—and her dedication to advocacy and healing. The episode blends laughter, reflection, and candid insight into both the entertainment industry and Nicole’s resilience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Nicole Eggert’s Beginnings: Pageants to Hollywood

[18:07] Danielle opens by asking Nicole to share her origin story—her journey from Glendale and a European immigrant family to Hollywood.

• Beauty pageants as a gateway: Nicole describes herself as a tomboy forced into beauty pageants by her mother, agreeing only because the venues always had a pool. Despite hating it, she kept winning, leading to TV exposure and calls from agents.

  "I was that kid that would dig big holes ... not the beauty pageant type ... but I just kept winning which meant we kept going back." – Nicole Eggert ([19:40])

• Early Commercial Success: Nicole began doing commercials by age 4-5, excited by the prospect of getting early access to toys—especially Barbies—and enjoying the escape from regular school.

  "As a kid, doing commercials was so fun ... seeing all the products early ... I didn't even know I was supposed to be in kindergarten." – Nicole Eggert ([22:01])

Transition to Sitcom Star: "Charles in Charge"

[23:25]

• Landing the role: Nicole did not formally audition; she was championed by producer Al Burton, after years of auditioning for various projects and performing unusual tasks at his request.

  "Al Burton would have you just do weird things like, can you do a handstand, can you do a headstand ... he was a bizarre guy." – Nicole Eggert ([23:56])

• Show history & syndication: Will and Rider are surprised to learn "Charles in Charge" only had one season on network TV before being recast for syndication.

  "They recast everything ... brought in a new family ... the Pembrokes and then it was the Powells. Same thing happened with Baywatch." – Nicole Eggert ([25:03])

On-Set Experiences & Pressures

[32:22]

• Pressure as a young star: Nicole reveals that the weight of expectations didn’t hit her as a teen; her main concern was missing out on a normal high school experience. In retrospect, she acknowledges a mix of great and "really horrible" experiences.

  "I really kind of live with no regrets ... Charles in Charge was really a great and really horrible experience for me and a lot of the cast in general." – Nicole Eggert ([33:17])

• Creative freedom: The writers allowed some ad-libbing, but overall, the pace and routines were controlled tightly by Scott Baio and his father, who wanted timely finishes to each workday.

  "Scott Baio and his father Mario really wanted a timely schedule ... as we got into the series he'd say, 'I want to be done by lunchtime today.'" – Nicole Eggert ([38:03])

Working with Michael Jacobs & "Boy Meets World"

[34:04]

• Different management styles: Michael Jacobs was hands-on for "Boy Meets World" but less involved in "Charles in Charge" after setup. Nicole felt lost under his direction on BMW, leading to her arc being cut short.

  "He was saying a lot of things ... I struggled, I couldn’t follow ... I ended up just really feeling confused and my part ... got cut really short because 'you’re not giving me what I want.'" – Nicole Eggert ([34:04])

• Hosts on Nicole’s guest spot: Will and Danielle recall Nicole’s character (Chancellor’s daughter Bridget Murphy) and are surprised to learn she was supposed to have a recurring arc.

  "I remember there was good chemistry between the three of us ... I didn't remember you struggling with the role at all." – Will Friedle ([39:22])

• Support from the cast: Nicole was comforted by how welcoming and relaxed the BMW cast was during a difficult period in her personal life.

  "You guys were my saving grace. I probably would have combusted if it wasn’t for you guys being so relaxed and so fun and so friendly." – Nicole Eggert ([40:05])

The Realities of “Baywatch” & 90s TV Stardom

[47:06]

• Joining “Baywatch”: Nicole describes transitioning from "Charles in Charge" to the infamous red swimsuit, initially surprised by the minimal wardrobe and immense international success.

  "I was like, where's the rest? ... The show immediately took off ... hit #1 show in the world." – Nicole Eggert ([47:09])

• Physical demands & lack of training: The cast performed real stunts and faced challenging conditions, with little lifeguard training.

  "They dump you off a barge in the ocean ... you do have to keep up ... I was vomiting, trying to run into the waves with these people." – Nicole Eggert ([47:39], [48:30])

• Pressure & body image: There was a “five-pound clause”—no fluctuating more than five pounds—while the public and press often objectified the cast. Nicole reflects on the dissonance between her youthful, healthy body and the pressure to conform.

  "So much so that they gave my character an eating disorder ... a five-pound clause that they could weigh us ..." – Nicole Eggert ([50:56])

Industry Trauma & Advocacy

[61:01-65:33]

• Difficult experiences on set: Nicole courageously discusses sexual harassment and abuse on the "Charles in Charge" set, further compounded by isolation and secrecy.

  "I was being sexually abused ... I wasn't always everybody's favorite person because I was favored by the star of the show." – Nicole Eggert ([63:41]) "I still feel that from some of the cast ... everybody was suffering a form of abuse. It made for a very strange dynamic and a lot of hostility ..." – Nicole Eggert ([64:13])

• Blown Away film: Nicole recounts working on the cult-classic 90s erotic thriller, feeling vulnerable among older, troubled costars and lacking on-set support.

  "A lot of the sex scenes started becoming very improv ... being kind of feeling alone as a young woman on set with all these men ... it was a growing learning moment for me." – Nicole Eggert ([61:32])

• Leaving “Baywatch”: Subjected to tabloid "bimbo" shaming and unable to please producers despite her professionalism and conscious character choices, Nicole chose to leave the show for her own wellbeing.

  "So me giving you a little background ... that was my moment of saying, no, I want off this show ... I just need out." – Nicole Eggert ([68:46])

Health Journey: Surviving & Thriving After Cancer

[70:07]

• Breast cancer battle: Nicole openly discusses being diagnosed with stage II breast cancer, the rigors of treatment—chemo, surgery, and radiation—and how the journey is ongoing, not a "one and done."

  "It's not something that you ... then life goes on. You're in it forever. ... I'm being tested monthly, my treatments are behind me, I still have surgeries ahead." – Nicole Eggert ([70:41])

• Community & advocacy: Nicole and Danielle connect over their shared diagnosis and talk about the strength found in survivor circles and their mutual support.

  "It's a group nobody wants to join but once you're in it you're going to meet some of the best people ever." – Danielle Fishel ([76:49])

• Motherhood as motivation: Through all of this, Nicole’s daughters gave her purpose and a reason to keep moving forward.

  "They just gave me a sense of ... responsibility to get healthy and to remain healthy if nothing else ..." – Nicole Eggert ([78:48])

Reflection on the 90s, Growth, and New Purpose

[84:10-85:53]

• If she could tell her younger self anything?

  "I'd probably tell her to boss up a little bit more ... speak up for yourself, stand up for yourself ... find a safe zone." – Nicole Eggert ([84:25])

• Survivor to thriver:

  "I've survived ... now I want to be a thriver ... I'm putting that survivor era behind me and I want a thriver era." – Nicole Eggert ([85:53])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I was always like, 'I don't think I’m supposed to be in kindergarten, right?'" – Nicole Eggert ([22:01])
• "So much so that they gave my character an eating disorder—yeah, we had a five-pound clause..." – Nicole Eggert ([50:56])
• "I just tried to go against the stereotype ... producers were pissed I didn't have the long hair ... I just couldn't make anybody happy." – Nicole Eggert ([69:00] to [69:34])
• "You guys were my saving grace ... I probably would have combusted if it wasn’t for you guys being so relaxed and so fun and so friendly." – Nicole Eggert ([40:05])
• "It's a group nobody wants to join, but once you're in it you’re going to meet some of the best people ever." – Danielle Fishel ([76:49])
• "I’ve survived, and I feel like all the survival things I’ve been through got me to cancer. Now I want to be a thriver." – Nicole Eggert ([85:53])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Nicole's Origins & Pageant Childhood – [18:07]–[21:21]
• Charles in Charge: Production & Set Culture – [23:25]–[26:07]
• Creative Freedom & Working Under Pressure – [32:22]–[38:03]
• "Boy Meets World" Guest Spot & Michael Jacobs – [34:04]–[41:20]
• "Baywatch": Pressure, Body Image, and Public Scrutiny – [47:06]–[52:14]
• Sexual Abuse, Industry Secrecy, and “Blown Away” – [61:01]–[67:40]
• Leaving “Baywatch” & Moving On – [68:46]–[70:07]
• Cancer Journey & Sisterhood with Danielle – [70:07]–[78:48]
• Parenting Through Adversity – [78:48]–[82:01]
• Looking Back: Advice To Her Younger Self – [84:08]–[85:53]

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

The episode is candid, compassionate, at times raw, and ultimately hopeful. The hosts and Nicole never shy away from hard truths about the entertainment industry's dark side, but interweave humor, nostalgia, mutual support, and the drive to not just survive adversity but to “thrive.” Nicole Eggert stands as both a symbol of 90s pop culture and a testament to growth and resilience.

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For More

• Nicole Eggert’s podcast: Perfectly Twisted
• "After Baywatch: Moment in the Sun" documentary (Nicole as producer & subject)
• Follow Nicole & Pod Meets World on social for updates, behind the scenes, and future crossover episodes.

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Transcript

[Nicole Eggert]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Nicole Eggert]

Will.

[Danielle Fishel]

I worked with nicole sullivan this week.

[Will Friedle]

Oh isn't she the best oh my.

[Danielle Fishel]

Gosh so you worked with her on kim possible yeah and you guys actually got to be in the room together right you john dimaggio and nicole and.

[Will Friedle]

Nicole yeah we were the three amigos.

[Danielle Fishel]

For a long time and you and i were together at a convention in austin and so when i got back to work on monday i told her i said by the way i was in austin this weekend with will friedle and she just lit up she was like oh isn't he the best that's so fun oh and then she started telling me stories about the three of you guys and you know just how funny you were and all of this stuff and i was like i know and then she goes how do you how do you know will and i.

[Rider Strong]

Said well he was on a show called boy meets worldly on brand with.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nicole though well will and i were on boy meets world together and i thought of you guys because she said you were on boy meets world really.

[Rider Strong]

Oh my god it happened yes finally.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sometimes and she said to be fair i've never seen boy meets world she said i'm a little too old for it she said so i don't know anyone who's on that show but i it was just it was so funny but yeah it was really great i got to direct her on vampirina and she was an absolute joy so she's.

[Will Friedle]

Awesome she's super funny and like you go back and you watch some of the old mad tv's that she was on oh man she was just killing it yeah she's very very funny and super fun to work with yeah so.

[Rider Strong]

What was she on kim possible i've.

[Will Friedle]

Never seen she was shego she's the main bad lady and so she was drakken drakken's right hand you know who's supposed to be the sidekick but is actually running the show because because john dimaggio's drakken is just such an idiot and she was oh god she was just she was so funny yeah so it was always because christy carlson romano who played kim was at school yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

They said she was that's what nicole said nicole said she was a teenager so she was never with you guys.

[Will Friedle]

Right never with us she was always there we'd occasionally phone patch with her but rarely and then kim possible might arguably be the show that i was on that had the greatest guest stars of all time that i never got a chance to meet i mean it was like ricardo montalban jean smart i mean all these incredible people ryder strong.

[Rider Strong]

I was gonna say i did a few episodes but i did them from new york remotely so i was always alone in the room with no other actors and i never watched the show so i still yeah yeah elliot gould.

[Will Friedle]

Played my dad i mean like the most amazing cast and never got to meet any of them it was it was john nicole and myself why don't.

[Danielle Fishel]

We do a kim possible rewatch episode why don't we watch an episode the writer was on i would love to.

[Will Friedle]

I would love to do okay let's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do that as a you played brick.

[Rider Strong]

Was that rick he's like yeah rick.

[Will Friedle]

Flag or something like that he was the bully high school jock dude i.

[Rider Strong]

Just remember going in and i was like so how do you what kind of voice they were like maybe a slight keanu and i was like okay and they're like yeah that's it perfect.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my gosh i can't really it's just basically me they hired ryder and then said could you be a jock yeah that's real talent if you were able to pull that out that's real.

[Will Friedle]

Talent yeah again i played a mega nerd what are the chances of that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Happening who's gonna tell him who's gonna.

[Will Friedle]

Tell him i don't get what's happening as i'm in my childhood bedroom and here's ron stoppable right next to me.

[Nicole Eggert]

Ron stoppable's right here he's also behind.

[Will Friedle]

Me right there i'm trying to decorate the room so it's not just pink floyd posters and bourbon that my brother.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did adult will is trying to redecorate his childhood bedroom so there are toys he added toys yeah he brought toys i want it to look right i.

[Will Friedle]

Want it to look good it can't just be marilyn monroe and fake grenades you can't just have that is it.

[Danielle Fishel]

A fake grenade okay all right it's a fake grenade let's go with it.

[Will Friedle]

No i got everything.

[Danielle Fishel]

Welcome to pod meets world i'm danielle fishel i'm ryder.

[Will Friedle]

Strong and i'm will friedle.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Nicole Eggert]

Before.

[Danielle Fishel]

Michael jacobs co created boy meets world putting three young actors on a trajectory that would lead to a weird rewatch podcast more than thirty years later he had already birthed some of the biggest sitcoms on television and some of the less big he first broke out with my two dads a runaway hit with paul reiser greg evigan and a young stacey keenan then he ran into some roadblocks with shows like singer and sons and the torkelsons or almost home if you're nasty and then there was dinosaurs an absolutely unhinged puppet show that included one of the most shocking series finales of all time but included in this resume of pre boy meets world programs was the show that really put michael on the map helping propel him into one of the most sought after showrunners of his day it was charles in charge the show ran on cbs for just one season but found a home in syndication for three years and over one hundred episodes putting our guest this week on millions of tv sets in the nineties and cementing her as many of our listeners first crush she was.

[Will Friedle]

Also seen wait i'm sorry i'm stopping you right in the middle there and i never stop you during your intros but it only was on a network for one season before when syndication and.

[Rider Strong]

Then i think they recast it so i think after the first season only.

[Danielle Fishel]

Scott bay wow so then everybody else.

[Rider Strong]

The entire family like willie aim like.

[Will Friedle]

All the none of the were were on the first season wow yeah i.

[Rider Strong]

Didn'T know i know that's the story is that he like comes back to be the because he was like a manny right he was like a nanny or whatever and the second season was him coming and it was a whole different family and he was surprised and.

[Nicole Eggert]

Then yeah i don't know find out.

[Will Friedle]

More sorry interrupting danielle but had to had to figure that out geez she.

[Danielle Fishel]

Was also seen on tj hooker who's the boss married with children and the time capsule of a movie blown away which i will ask her about today but many of you might remember her from a little worldwide phenomenon called baywatch a show will watched for the compelling.

[Will Friedle]

Scripts right will it's amazing absolutely i didn't even find out it took place on a beach until like season three.

[Danielle Fishel]

She played lifeguard summer quinn from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety four a time of her life she recently unpacked for the documentary after baywatch moment in the sun a film she also produced and she still found time to be an inspiration for women everywhere when she disclosed her battle with stage two breast cancer in twenty twenty three documenting the up and downs of her journey on social media and on her podcast perfectly twisted all this and she appeared on an episode of boy meets world this week we are thrilled to welcome to pod meets world the lovely nicole eggert hi look great you sound great thank.

[Nicole Eggert]

You thank you thank you we're so excited i literally got covid for the first time the first time ever welcome to the club it's like i've been on the outs of this club i was like what are the protocols do i call everybody or is this just like nobody gives anymore pretty much it's.

[Will Friedle]

The latter pretty much how are you.

[Nicole Eggert]

Feeling fine i mean listen it's like i'm a mom we just like i didn't even catch it or even think to test till like the tail end of it like till i was like why is my nose literally trying to leave my face like my nose and my eyeballs were trying to like something off so i before i went in for an allergic reaction i was like let me do a COVID test and i got a positive so i was.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like okay so funny well welcome like will said welcome to the club yeah it's about it's only five years i mean you you did real well i.

[Nicole Eggert]

Know i didn't think i was i thought i was immune to it i was like but you know it got.

[Danielle Fishel]

Me good we are so happy to have you here with us we always like to start with people's origin story and i know you grew up in glendale and so depending on traffic it's only a short or a long trip to hollywood and your mom was a talent agent right.

[Nicole Eggert]

Yes she became a talent agent later i was born in glendale and then because that's where my mother was living and oh she got pregnant out of wedlock which i didn't discover till way later or two that was still like such a taboo in their eyes and my dad was living in hollywood my mom was living in glendale and he built a home in huntington beach so like one two years old i moved to huntington beach where yeah i had most of my childhood there and then coming up to la which that is not that's not easy.

[Danielle Fishel]

I also grew up in orange county and that is not a quick trip.

[Nicole Eggert]

No especially when you're a kid and you're like there's so many other what you think is important things to be doing and sitting on the freeway yeah so that was tough yeah so i pretty early on i started getting an apartment in universal city in studio city because i was like i can't do this drive all the time this isn't fair that makes sense yeah i wish the drive was from glendale that would.

[Danielle Fishel]

Have been significantly better so did you start in beauty pageants and then make your way over to entertainment how did.

[Nicole Eggert]

That happen that absolutely happened and it's so crazy because i was that kid that like would dig big holes and play you know climb trees and i just wasn't the beauty pageant type and my mom my parents are both immigrants from europe and they grew up during world war two and they were living in southern california and my mom suddenly found her speak herself a housewife and heard about these local beauty pageants and was like you you're gonna do those and so the trade off was that we could go to these venues and i would be able to just enjoy a day at the pool because i was obsessed with swimming pools i still am and that was the trade off i would do the beauty pageants if i got to enjoy the pool that's so cute and so we did and yeah but i was like not interested at all in these beauty pageants hated them and i won and i just kept winning which meant we kept going back right you didn't realize that if.

[Danielle Fishel]

You really wanted your mom to stop this you needed to fail with them.

[Nicole Eggert]

Exactly i tried i tried my damnedest.

[Will Friedle]

She would be here yeah little miss.

[Nicole Eggert]

Don'T want to be here yeah little miss go brush your hair and yes so i kept winning and i made it to miss little miss universe and miss universe at the time was like this big televised network show and i had my first television appearance and then the phone started ringing and my mom was like and we're gonna do this and that's how it all began how.

[Will Friedle]

Old are you at this point four.

[Danielle Fishel]

Four or five years old yes she's.

[Rider Strong]

One i don't even really remember this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Universe petite division at age five yes yeah oh my god in all fairness.

[Will Friedle]

That was a way easy year that you won let's be honest competition wasn't.

[Danielle Fishel]

That easy oh my gosh okay so soon after you win you know miss petite universe you're starring in commercials by age eight and you're in movies with cheryl ladd and jacqueline bassette and candice bergen were you having fun once you started doing commercials and tv or did you feel the same way you did about pageants.

[Nicole Eggert]

No i actually had fun because and i'm sure you can relate to this like as a kid in doing commercials was so fun because you got to see all the products at least for me i seeing all the products early and like getting your hands on them especially the toys and like i did a ton of mattel you know so i like had all the barbies and to me that was just like amazing just the most amazing thing so and i didn't really know any different like i didn't know i was supposed to be you know in kindergarten right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Were you in traditional school at.

[Nicole Eggert]

At the time yeah yes in huntington beach and so we would go back and forth and it wasn't until i was you know had a series regular that we got pulled and i made the the definitive choice to move because i couldn't you know kids people don't understand what kids go through with school work and then that transportation on top of it that commute was just too much so yeah i was going back and forth back and forth until about thirteen years old you're right that is a lot no i loved it i loved it i was like i didn't have to be in school we got to just like hang out and play with toys and to me it was just i was having a good time.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you remember your audition for charles in charge.

[Nicole Eggert]

Well the thing is is that i didn't really audition for it because i had auditioned for al burton so many times for so many shows and he had always said we're gonna find something for you we're gonna find something and when charles in charge came across his desk he called and he said okay i think i have the show this is the show for you and so then i met with michael jacobs and then yeah and the rest was sort of history so it was sort of albertan had his eye out.

[Danielle Fishel]

For it already he knew he wanted.

[Nicole Eggert]

You yeah i'd already done all the weird things alberton would ask you to do like headstands in audition room you guys are younger so you didn't go through that process but albert like you would audition for everything that crossed his desk and he would he once he already knew what like you're acting he would have you just do weird things like can you do a headstand can you do a handstand can you like it was just the weirdest he was very he was a bizarre guy and so i had gone through you know fifty of those auditions already so we were well.

[Danielle Fishel]

He had already checked off on your headstand your handstand and your acting you were good to go yeah.

[Nicole Eggert]

I'D done all the weird things and.

[Will Friedle]

All yeah so when when you got the role of charles in charge because in danielle's intro so i'm the television junkie of of the group and was it two different shows was charles in charge something for one season and then it changed and they recast it for a second season now were you on from the pilot or how did the show change cause i didn't know anything about this i thought it was just one show the entire way through right.

[Nicole Eggert]

Yeah no it was a network show that did one season and was canceled and syndication was becoming the new thing so it was their hand at doing a syndicated run and so they recast everything and so yeah they brought in a new family and it was the pembrokes and then it was the powells and yeah they just made this switch it was ironically the same thing that happened with baywatch and that's how like because albertan got me involved with baywatch and we made that crossover because they were a syndicated show i mean they were a network show did one season got canceled and wanted to do the syndication route and came to albertan and he said okay well let's do it i'll help you and use nicole and we'll do a spinoff and we were going to do like a nine zero two one zero type of thing at the beach and that's how i got rolled right into baywatch from charles in charge so yes same it was this formula they had going do you love.

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[Danielle Fishel]

Do you remember feeling a lot of pressure about charles in charge like feeling that there was just a lot of pressure on your shoulders.

[Nicole Eggert]

Yeah a little bit you know interesting because at that age you kind of i didn't really take on that kind of pressure of like this is a show now they're they want it to be a success it failed once they want it to be a success and i didn't really feel that kind of pressure i started it right around the first day that i was supposed to start high school so it was sort of that was more on my mind as a young teenager like am i making the right decision to go and be on a show rather than go have the high school experience that was more of the pressure that i was feeling and looking.

[Danielle Fishel]

Back on it now do you think you made do you feel like you made a good choice or do you feel like you missed out on a high school experience.

[Nicole Eggert]

You know i really kind of live with no regrets that i wouldn't be where i'm at if i didn't make all of these and it turns out charles in charge was really a great and a really horrible experience for me and for a lot of the cast in general so you know there's that part of it but again would i change it i don't really live like that i kind of think we take everything that we messed up and we learn from it and it makes us better and smarter and.

[Danielle Fishel]

More whole well we didn't none of us met michael until nineteen ninety three can you tell us what your memory of working with michael jacobs was like we're curious if he was ever any different than the michael we knew or if he was always the same michael.

[Nicole Eggert]

Well interesting because i you know when he was very high energy always like the high energy was there he wasn't as involved in charles in charge as he was boy meets world he sort of was there in the beginning set it up said how he wanted it to go and flow and gave us all a lot of direction and then sort of left it in everybody else's hands and not until i met him again for boy meets world and i felt he was a little bit more i felt like and it might have been the timing too in that particular episode because i also looking back at it leading up to this there was a lot of a lot of changes maybe happening on the show i mean correct me if i'm wrong you guys were there and he was saying a lot of things to me and at me and i really didn't i couldn't understand what like what he wanted i had a heart i struggled i couldn't follow and i was hearing him and i wanted to understand him but i ended up just really feeling confused and my part that was supposed to be an arc on boy meets world got cut really short because he's like you're not giving giving me what i want and i was like yeah i'm really struggling to understand what it is you want for me and it was making me just uncomfortable in the the role to be honest because i felt really lost i was like i didn't have creative like license at all and i was trying to be what i what he what i thought i heard him saying but i couldn't and it just it was a really like it was just a failed attempt for me so i had a lot of disconnect with him on when it was boys meets world wars charles in charge i think that it was giving him what he wanted with that character and it was fine everything was like smooth sailing so it was two very different experiences with.

[Rider Strong]

Him so was he not showrunning charles in charge was he not there every note session and oh wow no no.

[Nicole Eggert]

No not hands on like that at all only in the beginning the first couple episodes and then he left who took over well it really was al burton was like the guy wow right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah okay did you have any sort of creative control in charles in charge like i know you were a teenager but did you feel like you got to have a hand in storylines or in character development or did you really leave that to all of the adults.

[Nicole Eggert]

I felt like they did the writers did a really great job of watching run throughs and letting us do some ad libs like letting us be free in it and letting us be our just goofy selves and either running with it or getting inspiration from it i felt like it was a really happy medium of but they didn't want us going too far off script like i felt like i watched you guys on boy meets world and i was like oh they really kind of have a little bit more room where did yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Will definitely had some more room yeah.

[Nicole Eggert]

And i found that fascinating i was like oh wow and it was so kind of alien to me because i was like that's we weren't it was much more like the timing had to be like this and once we decided on what the jokes were going to be and where they were going to land they really wanted us to just keep it there and scott baio and his father mario really wanted a timely schedule and really wanted to be out of there by a certain time every day so it was very like you know don't this up yeah say your lines to do what's written and what we decided on and get it where.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did they have to be yeah where.

[Nicole Eggert]

Were they going i mean they wanted time off i think they just wanted out of there is all i really.

[Danielle Fishel]

Kind of honestly love this i think this is great i next the next job i have i'm going to be like listen i can only work until two do we've gonna have to have this wrapped up by two pm i've.

[Nicole Eggert]

Got places to be yeah i kid you not i kid you not they would say as we got into the series he would say i want to be done by lunchtime today let's have this like done by lunch.

[Will Friedle]

Well we in all fairness we had that too as long as lunch was one am so yeah we were we were fine i think one of the other reasons that i was given a little more leeway when you were there especially is because we it was seven season i think by that point we knew that like we we hadn't even been if memory serves you were in kind of the first half of the season and we weren't even picked up for by that point the full twenty two first for season seven we we got picked up i think for thirteen and so we thought we were done and i think by that point they were kind of like yeah go have fun yeah so i think it might have been that kind of vibe too a little bit it was a little bit of senioritis for us on the set where it was kind of like let's play all right this part of the script is more of a guideline than anything else because at that point if they were going to fire us they were going to fire us so i think it was more that vibe you walked into too but i didn't know that you were supposed to be an arc that would have been great because i remember there was good chemistry between the three of us i thought i didn't remember you struggling with the role at all i remember that you and myself and matt lawrence i thought the three of us were working really well together so to hear that you were supposed to be on more than one episode.

[Nicole Eggert]

Is amazing yeah i think they wanted it to be a character in the show and yeah that didn't happen and yeah i had a great time with you guys in fact you guys were my saving grace i was struggling at home personally i was just starting a really ugly custody battle with my daughter i had a one year old at that time and things were just crazy in my personal world and then i had michael just like you're not giving it to me you're not giving it to me and i was and you guys were just so amazing on set that it was like yeah i probably would have lost it my i think i would have combusted if it wasn't for you guys having being so relaxed and so fun and so friendly and so welcoming and just all of those.

[Danielle Fishel]

Good things well let's well we were.

[Will Friedle]

Also just huge fans i mean we because it's like you know as as actors around the same age we'd obviously seen your work so we were like oh we get to work with nicole so we were we were psyched that you were coming on the show so there was that kind of vibe too where it was like oh this is gonna be great we can't wait so yeah you hid that very well that i guess you weren't vibing with the character and michael wasn't because i don't remember that at all well we haven't.

[Danielle Fishel]

Gotten to the episode yet in our rewatch it's a season seven episode called picket fences can you refresh our listeners memory and ours because i don't remember the episode because we're not there yet what was your character on boy meets world and what was the storyline so.

[Nicole Eggert]

She was the chancellor's daughter bridget murphy and she shows up in the student's cafe and is like who who are you guys i'm your new boss and she sort of lays it out she's like nepotism my father is the chancellor i'm your new boss you're gonna kiss my blah blah blah blah kind of thing and kind of starts there it ends there yeah yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I thought maybe i didn't remember it because i had a heart out at two i i wanted to be done by lunch and i just i had to get out.

[Will Friedle]

Danielle was was little miss universe that that week so she had her petite.

[Danielle Fishel]

Division petite division exactly so she was.

[Will Friedle]

Doing that oh man that's so funny.

[Nicole Eggert]

Yeah i mean what makes me laugh too because you guys say the beginning and it was like like it was episode ten and these days like that's so that's just such a throwback to those days like episode ten was like the first half yeah right exactly now.

[Will Friedle]

It'S like you get four episodes for the entire season like wait a minute what what's going on yeah so twenty two a year twenty six a year.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was was crazy that's so interesting and yeah you're right that full that's a full setup for more than one episode you don't do a full setup like that only to to be in one episode yeah yeah it was yeah.

[Nicole Eggert]

I just i wasn't i wasn't doing it for him he was like you're out of here and i feel like also if i'm if i'm not mistaken there were some other people because there was another storyline going on and i can't remember exactly but maybe it was like an apartment somebody looking for an apartment and maybe there were other characters being introduced into that sub story line.

[Danielle Fishel]

That'S got to be cory and topanga looking for an apartment right look that's.

[Will Friedle]

What it is okay that's that's picket fences that's why it's called picket fences is because you're looking for your white picket fence this might be the one where you move into the really horrible like terrible apartment and you meet the other single mom who's there that could have been it yes that's okay so that's what it was okay yeah bells.

[Nicole Eggert]

Are ringing and in michael's defense he i think he was trying to introduce a lot of new characters in that episode there was a lot he was trying to get that's what you do.

[Will Friedle]

With three episodes left of your entire series just jam in as many characters as you episode ten of the last thirteen we're doing let's introduce thirty five new characters well it's funny because will.

[Rider Strong]

Earlier you said you know we were probably feeling comfortable or like we didn't care but i bet you michael was feeling a lot of pressure because i remember he was still angling for season eight yeah you know we were all kind of like ready to leave and we were like as actors done but i feel like he was actually still gunning like we can keep this going right let's not let's not let's not let it end here you know and.

[Will Friedle]

Well does anybody know after boy ended how long tgif lasted no no i don't either but i mean it wasn't on for another ten years it was like tgif kind of folded not too long after that right i don't know i think i don't know somebody's somebody's clacking away and looking it up right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Now i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure well boy meets world is known for having quite a long and lustrous guest star history but while researching charles in charge i was really surprised to run into two name that you guys had as guest stars paul walker and meg ryan meg ryan did two episodes do you remember them being on the show or not now yes i remember paul.

[Nicole Eggert]

Very clearly because we were all the same age and you know when you're on a show like that and you have a guest star you guys are all crammed into the tudor room for hours and hours on end i believe i want to say meg ryan was on the like the maybe the original.

[Danielle Fishel]

The network version so you didn't work with yeah yeah what was paul walker like what do you remember sweet kid.

[Nicole Eggert]

Just this you know just a sweet normal very like i think he was from oc as well yeah i think he was yeah right and just so felt just like such a normal down to earth and obviously before he was the paul walker just cute cute as could be so cute cute yeah i know and i was sitting there and i think he was brought on as my younger sister's love interest and i was like she always gets why why.

[Will Friedle]

Why'D she get him yeah by the way the original run of abc's tgif programming ended september eighth two thousand wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay so boy meets world went off the year in march or something of two thousand and pretty much was over.

[Will Friedle]

It was like right at the end yeah and the run i guess began september twenty second nineteen eighty nine oh.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know the series finale of boy meets world aired on my birthday so may fifth may fifth of two thousand so just a few months later there.

[Will Friedle]

You go yeah so it didn't last much longer after after us so they would have had to move us off the block to put us somewhere else to get a season eight so yeah.

[Nicole Eggert]

Wow so he was in a pressure cooker i mean he really was right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah so you mentioned that al burton then moved you from charles in charge basically right into baywatch right yeah did you have any reservations about joining that show what were your what were your thoughts going into that.

[Nicole Eggert]

You know it was interesting because i was looking forward to doing the spin off of it i didn't go into it thinking what if i end up being a lifeguard on baywatch right so you know the naive nicole didn't think about that part and i was leaving to go to canada to shoot a handful of films and then i was gonna come back and start baywatch i knew that my wardrobe was coming my hair and makeup was coming so also very comfortable also put pamela anderson who i had known she was on charles in charge and around the set a lot because she dated scott and i knew david charvet already so it felt very comfortable going into this into that and i kind of didn't put a lot of thought into it i was like kind of i'll cross that bridge when i get there and then when i showed up on set it kind of dawned on me when you know fittings were just this red bathing suit and i was.

[Will Friedle]

Like where's the rest oh geez oh.

[Nicole Eggert]

Man where's the rest and then the show immediately took off and it hit and it hit number one show in the world and then they were like spin off what they were like this formula this is what's working this is where we're staying and i was like.

[Will Friedle]

Whoa damn curiously you just kind of touched on it with starting to work out aside from having to quote unquote look good or look the part how physical was it to be shooting a show like this all the time time.

[Nicole Eggert]

Well it was a little bit you know it is running in the sand it's like and we're not running in slow motion you know contrary to everybody's belief you know and they do they do dump you out off a barge in the ocean and you do have to keep up and at least try to make like you you know what you're doing i mean i jumped off piers i would climb up you know up the ropes to get back up the pier like we were really in the trenches and i remember the first day on set they had me and i was a rookie trying out to be a lifeguard and they had me and they would use real actual lifeguards as atmosphere all the time and we were in a race for tryouts and i was thrown in with them and they were like keep up keep up and i'm like vomiting i was like throwing up like trying to run into the waves with these people and i was like there's just been a terrible mistake i don't know if you think i'm an asshole i don't know when.

[Rider Strong]

This happened i'm petite miss universe what.

[Nicole Eggert]

Am i doing here i lay on the beach i sunbathe i like i dunk under a few waves but even.

[Rider Strong]

Just the work like the going from a multi cam which is like you're in a soundstage you rehearse all week and then they bring in an audience to a single camera alone must have.

[Will Friedle]

Been a huge on a beach with the ocean and i mean this is.

[Nicole Eggert]

A massive thing yeah i mean i'd done lots of single camera shows and movies and stuff in the past so that wasn't that wasn't so daunting but the weather like you think the beach i grew up at the beach i love the beach but we're shooting winter months like oh you're freezing and like good luck trying to find a dry towel on that set like you're freezing they're like get out we can see the raindrops on the water you know it's not just like all it's cracked up to be right and the overcast days for lighting were the better days so it was just it's tougher it was it was harder than expected did.

[Danielle Fishel]

They not give you any proper training before you started shooting like hey we're gonna try to give you some lifeguard lessons nothing kind of on the fly.

[Nicole Eggert]

It was like on the go it was it really i think they got better at it as time progressed but they were still feeling out like what is this show because it went from this network show that was much more it wasn't so fluffy it wasn't you know so video mtv video esque it was much more like lifeguards as in police it was it was a much more structured conservative show and they were sort of feeling out i was very much in guinea pig of feeling out like how serious are we taking this as them being lifeguards but they did want it to be you know correct so they would help us like as we were going along and i think as they went down the line they started training people and working with new casts coming on a lot better but no i didn't have any prior training it was really on the on the.

[Danielle Fishel]

Go we had kelly packard on the podcast recently and she talked a lot about the pressure of the stars of baywatch for keeping their weight and it sounded pretty rough i know it was already difficult for just being a woman in the nineties was difficult but i can only imagine when you're wearing a bathing suit week after week this must have been very hard was that your experience.

[Nicole Eggert]

Yeah i mean it is it's a lot of pressure and i think especially when kelly came on after the show was such a success and you saw the bodies and you knew what you were walking into i feel like that would be so much more pressure us going into it there really wasn't a guideline and it was like here we are and you know we're just doing this luckily i was so young that and i was considered curvy yeah right and i look back and i'm like where what right what's going on i mean so much so that they gave my character an eating disorder and and yeah we had a five pound clause that they could weigh us they didn't want us going above or below five pounds of our weight but i do in hindsight think that that was also a protection to make sure that there weren't that nobody was getting too thin i didn't have that problem i was more like stay under stay under and so i you know i did start to do some working out on the beach and you know go for extra runs since we were there in the sand and do things like that but when you're that young it's not.

[Danielle Fishel]

That hard it's much easier you know.

[Nicole Eggert]

I had it yeah it's much much easier but yeah as the years went on i think the pressure for the women had to be intensified well a.

[Danielle Fishel]

Lot of this comes up in the recent documentary after baywatch which you appear in as well as produced and similar to our journey here on the podcast you had to deep dive into your youth on the screen what did you learn from that experience.

[Nicole Eggert]

God it was interesting i just was learning so much more about the show as we went along and being the producer on it i didn't want to focus so much on myself because i was such a small it was in the beginning and it was weird and my story we worked on it for five years and so much changed the pandemic happened then i got a diagnosis and all of these things so my storyline kept changing so i really kind of put that into the back back i was like we're going to deal with that me later but it was really diving into everybody else and just learning and really more interesting learning how that show affected their life like their personal life and jason simmons for example who was gay and he had to hide it and he would have paparazzi you know following him and trying to catch him making out with other guys or being with other men and so the women on the show would rally around him and pretend like they were in relationships with with him to you know to hide this for him and just hearing learning all of these things was fascinating just in heartbreaking and heartwarming and all of the fields yeah i bet.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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I want to talk to you also about a movie that i'm sure comes up with fans a lot more than you ever expected blown away it is a nineteen ninety three erotic thriller with the coreys haim and feldman and you play a rich girl who thinks her father killed her mom it is a cult favorite lot of signature nineties sex scenes what memories do.

[Will Friedle]

You have wait there's an erotic i'm sorry there's an erotic erotic thriller with the coreys this is a thing really.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes it is a cult classic what.

[Will Friedle]

Well i mean obviously watching that but what a strange sentence to hear the nineties erotic thriller with the coreys i never would have suspected what are your.

[Danielle Fishel]

Memories of making that movie okay well.

[Nicole Eggert]

So when you asked me like going into baywatch you know from charles in charge so we had blown away in there and that was much more on the top of my mind than baywatch because that was in the near future so i was doing that and a cheerleading movie with corey haim all these things in canada that were so like opposite each other but that was scary going into that if i'm going to be completely candid and honest and open now and i feel like we finally the truth is out there i can finally like speak about this and it's okay but going into that movie with those two at that time and where they were and maybe their addiction and their careers and everything was frightened lightning and yeah and it was that was a wild wild experience it was you know and a lot of that a lot of the sex scenes started becoming very improv and it was like wait what's going on and being kind of feeling alone is like a young woman on set with all these men and these things happening it was it was a really growing learning moment for me of when to go wait yeah you know slow down down stop well yeah.

[Will Friedle]

There'S no intimacy coordinator or anything along the lines at this point this is it was like the wild west and back back in the day with stuff.

[Nicole Eggert]

Like that oh my god and you know you'd have maybe some of the actor disappear in their trailer for hours and then come out and clearly intoxicated and you're like what am i gonna do with this you know right before a sex scene it just it was it was a lot it just it was a lot and i still look at it as like wow that was.

[Danielle Fishel]

A lot and at this point you're i'm assuming you're over eighteen and so was your did you have a any sort of guardian or anyone on set that you could go to outside of most likely an entirely male producer staff.

[Nicole Eggert]

You know not really because it was shot in canada the canadians are really great about having having someone on set checking and you know and so there was sort of that but it still was in a time where we women we weren't really speaking up a whole bunch and i just come off a show where i was being sexually abused you know behind the scenes and now it's sort of like there's sort of this running theme of like abuse and sexual abuse in my life and the movie's really of sort supposed to sort of border on that you know and but she's sort of the sexual abuser maybe in in in the movie if there's abuse happening it it's just it's a very very murky very murky time and era and it was a weird time to speak up about anything and yeah it just was weird no i felt very kind of alone i was kind of alone on a ship out.

[Danielle Fishel]

There by myself you met you mentioned the sexual abuse on the charles and charge set if you felt comfortable going to somebody who would have been the person you were you should have gone to would it have been your mom was your mom on set with you did you have a studio teacher how were you left so unprotected.

[Nicole Eggert]

So charles in charge is an interesting dynamic for me because because the sexual abuse was going on and and it was very apparent and if it wasn't apparent that the abuse was happening it definitely was obvious that i was getting extra attention so i wasn't always everybody's favorite person to be completely honest i wasn't the favorite person because i was favored by the star of the show and so i didn't really feel like i had a lot of allies there.

[Will Friedle]

So this is happening and you feel like you're on an island because it's like you're also being singled out because because of.

[Danielle Fishel]

What'S going on people are mad at you being sexually abused and still i.

[Nicole Eggert]

I still feel that from some of the cast and yes that's exactly true it's like oh well you you got more you know and it was sort of this cast of like they would count their lines of dialogue and who had the bigger part and i was i was like i don't understand anybody that does that to begin with and god forbid i had more dialogues or like it just was this it was kind of it was toxic all around and the other two children alex polinsky has spoken out about it and myself as an adult looking back now everybody was suffering a form of abuse and so it made for a very very strange dynamic and a lot of hostility and feelings and so i don't think that there was really anybody that you could go to and and this was way before me too and i'm being told if you say anything everybody loses their job you know people go to jail like you can't this is a absolute no so it was this thing of like now this is something i have to deal with and just keep it moving and we got to be.

[Danielle Fishel]

Out of here by two and you're on a time i mean it's it's also such a i mean i want to say impossible scenario to be in as a teenager and then as you you know you you stop doing charles in charge you're still a teenager then you go into doing blown away and you have you're again dealing with stars who now have addiction issues and you you as a as a young person it would be you would be a real anomaly to actually know how to address the and to see clearly all of the wrongdoings and to be able to say like hey i would like to speak up and say stop or i'm not comfortable with this it's like we all grew up knowing that the people who worked were the per the people who were easy to get along with the people who you go with the flow take direction well well regardless of how strong or a sense of self you have deep down we were all groomed to be people pleasers on.

[Nicole Eggert]

Sets you bet and and not to speak bad about other cast right remember those days where you were told no matter what's going on you guys are as the kids you guys are fighting no you are best you never a.

[Will Friedle]

Family you're a family yes yeah you're.

[Danielle Fishel]

A family i mean we have talked about this a lot on the podcast how many people we did not realize benefited from the culture of secrecy and like well we don't talk about that think about how many times you heard well you don't talk to anybody about how much money you're making you don't talk to anybody about it's like oh wait actually that only helps you it doesn't hurt us for us to talk to each other about the things that are going on if anything it unifies us and helps make us stronger but in general there was just a you know yeah very secretive very pri it's just it the nineties were a real not so great time systematic yeah very.

[Nicole Eggert]

Systematic speaking of that going into baywatch it was supposed to be a favored nations and i had to sign the non disclosure that because i was making more but if i was ever asked i had to say it was favored nation like shit like that it was you know and then in going through everything i went through and then getting on baywatch and it was not received well in the press although it the ratings were there and we were being called bimbos and everybody said like how did you walk away from the number one show in the world so me giving you a little background of like what led up to this was my moment of saying no i want off of this show now i'm being called a bimbo on top of it all right i'm already feeling all the feels and the crazy and the turmoil and now publicly being called a bimbo i was like i just need out and that was my moment to just step away and i wasn't gonna say anything publicly and there was no platform for it and nobody was gonna listen anyways but i was able to take remove myself and just take time away and just go live and rebel and try to figure you know all of this.

[Will Friedle]

Out so i you come off of charles in charge which was that experience you go to blown away which was that experience and then you come to baywatch where now you're being called a bimbo was there ever a point where you were like what the hell am i doing in this industry why am.

[Nicole Eggert]

I even here that was the moment that that was it because up until then i i had done good work like i worked with george cuk or michael chapman i had done something else with meg ryan and my resume was good and solid and i was on you know a trajectory and i was happy and then then baywatch after all the things i was going through personally to now be publicly being called bimbo and i went into it i cut all my hair off i cut it short to sort of go against any kind of stereotype like that i was like what would a young girl wanting to be a lifeguard what would she look like well she wouldn't have really really long blonde hair she would have you know manageable hair she wouldn't wear makeup just all of these things and i tried i went into it and producers were a little pissed off that i showed up with you know a bob but i felt like i was making character choices and and it just none of i couldn't make anybody happy at that point do you know what i mean like the producers were pissed i didn't have the long hair still being called a bimbo in the press and i just i was like yeah enough like i didn't i need a.

[Danielle Fishel]

Break well something else you and i have in common the club no one wants to join but once you're in it the people that are in the club are some of the best you and both have dealt with breast cancer and you have been such a helpful and wonderful advocate you've been very vocal about your journey and sharing all of the updates about the choices that you've made with your health care how are you feeling now and where are you in your treatment journey.

[Nicole Eggert]

So many loaded questions right there well as you know it's not something that you you get a diagnosis you do treatment and then life goes on you're in it forever this is a forever thing which you know when i got my diagnosis everybody kept saying oh in a year from now you'll this will be behind you and you'll be on with your life okay that's the biggest crock ever so i'm i'm on a lot of treatments some targeted treatments i'm being tested monthly um my treatments are behind me i still have surgeries ahead of me next month which i'm excited about i really took my time with that route because they just didn't know what was the right choices for me and i kept meeting with doctors and getting so many there's just so many different opinions and options and i really i'm somebody that needs to like sleep on it so i took a year to really like listen to everybody digest it all and like it's a big decision because you can rush into these things yeah you can just follow the protocol and then you're it's this whirlwind of stuff and then you're like wait what did i just do what just happened you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

If you mind me asking did you have a lumpectomy to remove and you did chemo and you did radiation right because like i know for me i asked if i could delay a surgery by like two months because i had episodes of tv i wanted to be i had plans to direct and i was like well can i just wait until october i mean it was only like two or three months and then and they were like we do not recommend that you wait two or three months to make a decision about the surgery because it's cancer we don't know what cancer can do in two or three months so when you were able to take a year is that did you already have some surgeries well so.

[Nicole Eggert]

I wasn't able to have a lumpectomy i wasn't even able to have a mastectomy because the cancer was too big it was there was too much so i needed to do the chemo first to shrink it down then they removed it all and then the radiation and so that was dealing with the problematic side and then i said okay you know let me do all this let me get through it and then i really spent a lot of time trying to detox and it's still trying to detox my body from all of that terrible stuff that we put into this treatment and trying to deal with the menopause side of it that also gets thrown at you and there's just so much out there and there's just so much information to be had that isn't given to you you by regular general practice practicing doctors right that my oncologist has no idea of anything to help with anything except my chemo protocol you know it's so i just have really been exploring everything all the supplements doing all the things trying to make my bring myself back to life because i at my body i really went through it really and i know you did too it's just it's chemo is oh it's a beast and you know they threw the strongest ones at me and once you do it you can't do it again so it's like i need for this not only to be effective for now i need like for this not to come back correctly how do we how do i learn how i got here because they say not to think about that but i'm sorry i'm going to think about that because along in my preventative treatment here i want to know what i was doing doing that got me here if anything and of course there are and what choices can i can i also make in my personal life and my daily life that will help not bring me back here so i've really just dove into that and i i'm just always at the doctor i'm so sick of it i i go in every month and then i get a zoladex treatment and then i have to come back for the next week to get blood injections because my white blood cell count gets really low so i have two good weeks out of every month the other two are i'm there i'm at the treatment facility so it's really all consuming.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then like you said even in those two quote unquote good weeks you're still dealing with menopause symptoms yes so even when you're feeling good you're still not really feeling that great you got.

[Nicole Eggert]

It that's that's the actual one hundred percent true and yeah so that's just and i spend all of that time feeling that i'm feeling good trying to learn you know educating myself and testing all these things and talking to doctors and so it's it's just this ongoing thing for me and i just want to have all the information god forbid anybody else i know gets diagnosed my children get diagnosed if i ever get diagnosed again i just want it's something that i wasn't just going to to put behind me it's something that i really it hit me hard and it's something that i i needed to embrace and understand more and you know realize like how did i get here because i felt like i know how i got here i know i know what it is and i just want to make sure that i don't go back.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah wow well i was in touch with you we we have texted and been there for each other on surgery days and you know symptom checking and we both had not so great recoveries from our lymph node removals and we we were like what is this what.

[Nicole Eggert]

Is going on another thing nobody tells you about right like nobody prepares you.

[Danielle Fishel]

For they're like okay we're going to go in we're going to remove the cancer we're going to have to test some lymph nodes and you think okay no big deal and then you're like that recovery is terrible and that scar and that incision and now also it's hard to have your lymph fluid drain because you're missing lymph nodes and so you are swelling it's it's delightful but it was nice to have you to talk to and to be there for each other and literally everyone in the breast cancer community is the same way they hear someone else has been diagnosed and give her my phone number you know have her reach out to me let's talk and we share doctor information and things that that we've learned so it's like i said it's a group nobody ever wants to join but once you're in it you're going to meet some of the best people ever yeah.

[Nicole Eggert]

You really do and how are you feeling how's i'm doing well i'm done.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'M i finished my radiation i've i finished active treatment but i still have my you know i'm taking tamoxifen every day and so there those side effects come and go and new ones pop up and i have to find ways of managing those and but oh i did have my first clear mammogram just this past june so exactly you know one year later now my mammogram is clear so now it's just the trying not to have anxiety on the in between you know it's like i was i when i walked in to have my mammogram i was like here's the spot where last time i was here it was not so good news and you know thankfully now they give you your results after you've had breast cancer they give you your results right then and there you don't have to have to like go and wait three days which is nice because i walked in and i was like if they don't tell me real soon i'm gonna just be sweating for three days but they they told me right then and there.

[Will Friedle]

Well as somebody who deals with anxiety all the time the easiest way to get rid of it is just tell yourself you can't have it yeah everybody knows like oh i just i'm gonna stop being anxious turn off your anxiety it's just gone now that's easy and it's over yeah so yeah yikes they.

[Nicole Eggert]

Actually call it scanxiety exactly man i couldn't imagine well i i have ct scans and mris that's why i have to do those every three months and we do blood markers once a month but i have to wait for my results i'm not getting them immediate it's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah well those mris and cts probably yeah yeah i wish they would i wish they would give them to you just yeah that would help so much it would well you mentioned that you have two daughters d dylan and keegan have they how have they been for you during all of this time and what is your overall relationship with like with your girls.

[Nicole Eggert]

Well my oldest lives in new york so you know she didn't have to actually witness a lot of it like my young one did but they're just they're supportive they they bring me to a place of taking me outside myself too because it's like you know when your mom you it gives you purpose and it it keeps you from maybe feeling sorry for yourself or you know it's like you have stuff to do and you have this role to play or be and you just life is so much bigger than yourself when you're a mom right or a parent and so they just really gave me a sense of of like responsibility to get healthy and to remain healthy if nothing else they have done that the most for me and just really sort of looking at me to see how how i'm going to handle it yeah right and so it's this moment of i have to show them that you know you how you handle it how do you roll up your sleeves and handle this and not crumble and um it's given me a lot of motivation it's really kind of been my my motivator and and really just given me my purpose and and having a young one i you know i'm an unpaid uber driver let's be honest.

[Danielle Fishel]

How old is she is she fourteen.

[Nicole Eggert]

She'S thirteen yeah she's gonna be fourteen next week actually so she's you know twelve eleven and twelve and it's yeah like i have to be a mom there's lunches to be made and you know rides to be given and things to do which is such a good.

[Will Friedle]

Distraction yeah mom it sucks that you're going through this but i have to be at the mall.

[Nicole Eggert]

It'S really it's like are you are you going to be able to get us at three yes yeah but she's been great because she she has to go through it emotionally too with me and and so there were moments of like in the beginning when there'd be like i would get overwhelmed i don't know if this happened to you but i would get overwhelmed or overstimulated did you do chemo.

[Danielle Fishel]

Daniel i did not have to do chemo yeah game changer i know i.

[Will Friedle]

Know.

[Danielle Fishel]

It'S literally the biggest blessing of my situation was i did not need chemo i can't even imagine no i.

[Nicole Eggert]

Really can't so there was these moments of like feeling overwhelmed in public like sensory overload was one of my stress side effects and so i would look at her and she would say like are you okay and we would have we had this moment early on where she said i don't know what to say or what to do and i said it's okay like neither do i yeah right i just need to sit like let's just sit and hug and be quiet and we sort of learned it together like that and you know there's no there is no strength there is nothing stronger than you know a good hug from from your children you know or it's just you know sitting there quiet and just an understanding of okay this is so weird and all i can say is this is too much right now and we're just going to sit and we don't have any answers and we don't have to and there's just it was powerful but yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah what a blessing that you had her to be able to like you said like no no medicine like a hug from your kids you know it's.

[Nicole Eggert]

True that's yeah well before we let.

[Danielle Fishel]

You go i want to talk to you about your podcast perfectly twisted i was recently a guest why don't you tell us about that and has it been as meaningful for you as our podcast has been for us it has.

[Nicole Eggert]

I wasn't so sure it was gonna be i was like i don't know what i'm gonna talk about for an hour every day and i don't know if i want to talk or every week i don't know if i want to talk that much so i got into it and i really wanted it to be a wide variety of topics and whatever i was feeling like talking about that week which has been beneficial for me because it's hard for me to stay on track it's it's hard for me i'm a you need a.

[Will Friedle]

Danielle you need a danielle she keeps she keeps us on track yeah i.

[Nicole Eggert]

Don'T have that that is not me so yeah i get a lot of joy and i get to talk it's been sort of a social life it's been a catch up it's been a learning experience it's it's been a lot of things for me and i love it i absolutely love it and i love that i'm not tied to one subject and i love that it's uncensored and just we can talk about whatever and there's no there's no boundaries and it's such freedom wow i love that.

[Danielle Fishel]

I remember when you reached out to me and said hey can you be a guest on my podcast and i was like sure and immediately i thought okay she probably wants to talk about our cancer journeys and i said great you know what do you what do you need to know and she was like oh we do enough talking about that let's actually let's let's talk about let's talk about other stuff and i was like anything else so cool i would i would love that let's just have a normal conversation that doesn't involve you know cancer well don't you feel.

[Nicole Eggert]

Like that some days you really want to talk about it and learn about it and other days you look like i don't want to hear another word.

[Danielle Fishel]

About it there's more to my situation than than this thing that happened to me well finally this year marks thirty years since the finale of charles in charge did you realize that.

[Nicole Eggert]

Yeah yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

We ask this of a lot of our guests but if you could go back in time and tell young nicole on that set anything from your future self now what would you tell her.

[Nicole Eggert]

Well i'd probably tell her to boss up a little bit more i tell her to make a few more demands because you know you you could have it i i would have her speak up you know and feel comfortable find find somebody like you were saying who would be that person i don't know that i was even you know able to pinpoint like who that person would be i think i would help guide her there is to like you know to that like you know speak up for yourself stand up for yourself and yeah i mean there's not much else yeah you know because everything else was pretty great yeah that's what's so weird so a lot of it was pretty great i learned a lot i had a great time but i guess i would help guide her into finding a safe zone i would add too that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just to tell her you're a survivor we hear the word survivor now and we think very much directly connected to cancer but just in general it sucks that you have to be a survivor i wish you didn't have to survive survive the things you've had to survive but you have you are a survivor and you have continued to find new versions of yourself and become a different person and grow and become better every year and no matter what's been thrown at you you've survived it and been a flower in the so i appreciate.

[Nicole Eggert]

That i really appreciate you know i have a lotus flower on my back back because they're a beautiful flower that grows from mud right it's funny that you say that because i have i've survived i've survived and i feel like all the survival things i've been through got me to cancer and now i want to be a thriver right like i'm done i'm putting like that survivor era behind me and i want a thriver era and yeah that's it that's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Cool i love that thank you so much for being here with us nicole we would love to have you back on when we get to your episode in season seven when we get to picket fences we'd love to have you come back on maybe you can do a recap with us where we'll watch the you know each one of us will watch the episode and then we can talk about what if anything we remember specifically about the weeks but we'd love to have you back i would.

[Nicole Eggert]

Love that thank you for having me it was love see lovely seeing all you too it's just great great to.

[Danielle Fishel]

See you thank you for spending your time with us today and we'll see you again soon you too bye thanks nicole bye man she really has she was really at the forefront of a lot of you know nineties horror stories there are obviously tons of stories both positive and negative from that decade and she really was at the forefront of some of the worst of them yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And yet is not like i wish i could go back and never do it again no she's like that was my experience and yeah there weren't many other options i guess like it just kind of being an actress in the mid nineties it meant you kind of had to put up with something.

[Will Friedle]

Not just an actress i mean i talked to polinski about you know cause i've known alex for many years and i talked to him about his time on charles in charge it just wasn't a good set apparently just really toxic place.

[Danielle Fishel]

All the way around and imagine i mean like at the end she said you know and it just sucks cause a lot of other stuff was really great it's like you know it didn't she went she lived through some horrible stuff and it didn't even taint the overall experience of her life during that time it was just like like man it's too bad i had to do that because the rest of it was all pretty awesome yeah and she said.

[Will Friedle]

That too where she's like i don't live in the past like i can't i can't live in the past gotta that's made me who i am today and i gotta look forward and i.

[Danielle Fishel]

Love i love the idea that she's like that survivor era is behind me and now i'm in thriver era i love that thriver era i love that so much well thank you all for joining us for this episode of pod meets world as always you can follow us on instagram pod meets world show you can send us your emails pod meets worldshowmail and we've got merch we.

[Rider Strong]

Don'T hear it we don't hear anything.

[Danielle Fishel]

You running to the baywatch music.

[Nicole Eggert]

We.

[Danielle Fishel]

Can'T hear the music no no it's.

[Rider Strong]

Too loud i think in the mic.

[Danielle Fishel]

It must be too loud can you turn down the volume a little bit.

[Will Friedle]

Oh it's so good can you sing put in my slow motion because everything's slow motion nothing oh my god it's just it's a david hasselbah i love.

[Nicole Eggert]

It.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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