Pod Meets Twirl'd: DWTS 3405

Summary

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Pod Meets World: Pod Meets Twirl’d – DWTS 3405

Original Air Date: October 18, 2025
Hosts: Ryder Strong & Will Friedle
Producer: Tara Sugbash

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Episode Overview

In this “Pod Meets Twirl’d” installment, Will Friedle and Ryder Strong—co-stars of “Boy Meets World”—recap episode 5 of the 34th season of Dancing with the Stars (DWTS). With Danielle Fishel (Topanga) competing on the show, this season has special resonance for the hosts. This week’s DWTS theme was “Dedication Night,” where contestants dedicated their dances to loved ones. The episode features a lively breakdown of performances, behind-the-scenes moments, a spirited debate about scoring inconsistencies, and heartfelt commentary on Danielle’s journey and the shifting nature of “celebrity” on modern reality TV.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Will’s In-Person DWTS Experience

• Will attended the show live, enjoying a spot in the VIP area (“best seat in the house”) and rubbing elbows with celebrities and friends—Jensen, Trina, Rusty, Betsy.
• Insight: Watching live is about “the vibe, the energy, the experience,” but “to actually see what’s happening in the dance, it’s better on TV.”
• (05:28) “To see the actual dancing, it's better on tv. Interesting, because...sometimes I was like, ooh, that dance didn't look that good. And then I'd watch on tv, I was like, oh, no, that wasn't bad.”

2. Dedication Night – A Shift in Tone & Format

• “Dedication Night” brought a major emotional shift from Disney/fun themes to deeply personal stories.
• Insight: Most contestants performed contemporary routines, emphasizing emotional storytelling over technical precision.
• (08:03) Ryder: “Kind of different. My God, it went from fun and games to, like, tears. Death, sadness.”

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Segment-by-Segment DWTS Discussion

Andy Richter & Emma Slater

• Dance dedicated to his daughter, Cornelia.
• Recognized for effort and increased commitment.
• Judges noted “progress,” but got “sixes across the board again.”
• Debate: Are consistently low scores secretly boosting Andy’s fan voting?
• (09:31) Will: “He's hanging on by charm. The judges were like, Carrie Ann was like, I see the progress. I actually see you dancing now. This is great.”

Robert Irwin & Whitney

• Dance dedicated to his mother—an emotionally charged contemporary piece.
• Behind-the-Scenes: Whitney covered Robert’s ears before the dance to prevent emotional distraction from his mother’s pre-show video.
• Both hosts were moved by Robert’s vulnerability and performance.
• Judges mostly gave nines, but Carrie Ann only gave an eight.
• Debate: Consistency and reasoning behind the judges’ marks, especially Carrie Ann’s.
• (14:36) Will: “He was a professional dancer that night, telling exactly the story he wanted to. That was amazing to me.”
• (16:47) Will: “How does Carrie Anne give that a 9 with a clear mess up? When Robert Irwins was flawless and that got an 8? That's when you're just going, okay, there's no, there's no rhyme or reason to any of this.”

Elaine & Alan

• Dance to Lisa Ann Walter (best friend, Parent Trap co-star).
• Choreography leaned into “musical theater” and friendship.
• Scores: 8, 7, 7, 8. Ryder: “Any other night, this probably was Elaine's best dance.”
• Hosts remark: Judges often “very positive” regardless of numeric score.

Whitney (Contestant) & Mark

• Dance dedicated to her supportive husband, who actively participated.
• Hosts praised the narrative—showing “the dynamic of DWTS” by blending emotional commitment with technical risk.
• Whitney was briefly out of sync—a visible mistake.
• Debate: Should emotional storytelling “override” technical flaws in judging?
• (25:04) Ryder: “There's something to be said for the challenge you give yourself... She could have played it safe. Instead, she took on this huge challenge.”

Jen Affleck & Jan

• Dance dedicated to her mom; Viennese waltz.
• Guests found dance “fine but forgettable.”
• Will notes that some contestants, like Jen, get lost in the pack because they lack a compelling “storyline” connection.
• Predictions: Jen may land in the bottom.

Dylan Efron & Daniela

• Dance to his little sister, Olivia.
• Ryder lauds Daniela’s “magical” quality; Dylan’s growth is a “poster-child DWTS transformation.”
• Nines across the board. Seen as a clear challenger to Robert Irwin for the top spot.
• (40:39) Will: “[Dylan is] exactly what this show is about... he looks so good out there. He's obviously out of his own head... The two of them together are just shredding it.”

Julianne Hough’s Professional Dance

• Host Julianne returns to the floor. Rusty, Will’s guest, is confused: “Why is everyone standing?”
• Hosts impressed by her skills—reminding them she’s “phenomenal.”

Jordan & Ezra

• Dance includes her father (a risk and unusual for DWTS), dedicated to him.
• Ryder: Jordan is “using her arms” with more expressiveness—an evolution from her gymnastics background to true dancer.
• Will found the piece “a little boring,” though acknowledged the technical proficiency.

Scott Hoying & Rylee

• Dance to his husband, Mark; revealed news of expecting a baby.
• Opened performance by singing (controversial!).
• Hosts found it “a little cringey”—"not a singing show,” but applauded their love and commitment.
• Received 7, 8, 7, 8.

Danielle Fishel & Pasha (the hosts' dear friend)

• Dance dedicated to Boy Meets World co-star Bill Daniels (Mr. Feeny)—a high-energy jive set to the BMW theme song.
• Hosts debate the wisdom/fairness of assigning a technical, bouncy jive on a night of emotional, contemporary pieces.
• Also discuss risks in Danielle “doubling down” on known BMW/Topanga persona, rather than revealing personal/family side.
• Frustration: Danielle receives more criticism and less praise compared to contestants with similar or less dance background.
• Judges gave 7, 7, 7, 8. Danielle appeared disappointed.
• (65:27) Will: “It seems like they have two categories... people that were celebrities... they're praising their journey... Then the people that have serious dance competition... they're judging them a little more harshly, and I feel like they put Danielle in that category.”

Alex & Val

• Another standout contemporary—praised for musicality and grace, but sometimes less “compelling” as reality show arcs, given Alex’s evident pre-existing dance skill.

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Notable Quotes

• Will Friedle on the DWTS Experience (05:28):
  “To see the actual dancing, it's better on tv. Interesting, because...sometimes I was like, ooh, that dance didn't look that good. And then I'd watch on tv, I was like, oh, no, that wasn't bad.”
• Ryder Strong on Dedication Night’s Emotional Shift (08:03):
  “Kind of different. My God, it went from fun and games to, like, tears. Death, sadness.”
• Will on Robert Irwin (14:36):
  “He was a professional dancer that night, telling exactly the story he wanted to. That was amazing to me. That truly was amazing to me.”
• Will on Danielle’s Judging Frustration (65:27):
  “It seems like they have two categories... they're praising their journey... Then the people that have serious dance competition... they're judging them a little more harshly, and I feel like they put Danielle in that category.”

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Behind-the-Scenes / Podcast Moments

• Live Audience Commentary: Rusty’s humorous confusion at DWTS standing ovations adds levity (“Is that guy with binoculars watching us?”).
• Producer Tara as DWTS Oracle: Offers helpful insight about how dance styles are assigned—not chosen—by contestants.
• Strong Incentive Segment: The recurring comedic challenge to coax Ryder onto DWTS. This week: Ownership of beloved community cafe “Coffee Cats.” Ryder’s torn but still says no, valuing his artistic integrity (and preferring a bookstore to a coffeehouse).
• History of Dance with Will: Mini-lesson about the jive’s origin as an African American dance in the 1930s, later adopted as a ballroom standard.

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Judging Disputes & Controversies

• Hosts spent significant time calling out judging inconsistencies, especially Carrie Ann’s scoring, which they felt was inexplicably harsh or inconsistent for some dancers—particularly Robert Irwin and Danielle Fishel.
• Both Will and Ryder advocate for changes to the show’s format:
  “If I was running the show, everybody would do the foxtrot on one night. Everybody would do contemporary one night... then you're judging everybody accordingly.” (57:00)
• The blurred line between “Stars” and “Influencers” as contestants is a recurring theme—leading to suggestions like “Dancing with the Influencers” or “Celebrity Dance Contest.”

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Memorable & Heartfelt Moments

• Robert Irwin’s Dedication: Whitney shielding him from hearing his mom’s emotional words right before their dance (13:11).
• Danielle Dances to BMW Theme: Will’s reaction to seeing Bill Daniels participating and Danielle’s technical commitment, but overall “felt out of place tonight” (60:01).
• Dylan & Daniela’s Performance: Described multiple times as “magical,” “infectious,” and embodying the actual spirit of DWTS through gradual, impressive growth.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dedication Night and Emotional Tone – 08:03
• Robert Irwin’s Performance & Judging Controversy – 14:36 to 18:23
• Debate on Judging Consistency & Producer Tara’s Dance Assignment Insights – 15:57 to 16:23
• Dylan Efron & Daniela—Transformation & Standout of the Night – 38:54 to 42:44
• Danielle Fishel’s Dance: Critiques & Scoring Debate – 57:58 to 68:04
• Strong Incentive/Coffee Cats Segment – 80:55 to 86:22

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Closing Thoughts

• The hosts conclude by noting a clear “top five and bottom five” emerging, with Robert Irwin, Dylan Efron, and Whitney seen as breaking away from the pack.
• Both co-hosts express hope Danielle will have a chance for a more emotional, expressive dance in coming weeks.
• Frequent calls for fairness and equal treatment from judges—especially for Danielle.

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For New Listeners

If you haven’t watched DWTS or listened to “Pod Meets World” before, this episode delivers an energetic, emotional, and debate-filled recap, blending nostalgia, personal connections, and playful behind-the-scenes banter. You’ll walk away with deeper insight into the TV competition, a newfound appreciation for endurance on live dance shows, and an understanding of why the original “Boy Meets World” crew is such a fan-favorite with their candid, supportive camaraderie.

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[Ryder Strong]

Welcome to POD meets twirl the Dancing with the Stars recap. Hosted by two guys who can't dance, don't wanna dance, and have now seen five episodes of Dancing with the Stars. But since our best friend Danielle has joined the cast for season 34, we're going all in. We are Will Friedle and Ryder Strong, AKA the two dudes standing next to Topanga, AKA Daniel Fishel's backup, AKA the Dan Yets. Hi Will.

[Will Friedle]

Hi Ryder.

[Ryder Strong]

How was it being a Dan yet in person?

[Will Friedle]

The in person Dan yet is definitely different than the non in person Dan. So for the experience of Dancing with the Stars, it's wonderful to go there. I mean the vibe, the energy, getting to see everybody from the cast, it was so much fun. I had the best seat in the house. Like literally the best seat in the house. It was the greatest thing in the world.

[Ryder Strong]

You were seated where we were last time. Right? Like right on the.

[Will Friedle]

No, no. So we were in the second. We were in the second row. I was on the floor. This time I was in Jensen seat. Remember where Jensen was sitting? Where it's like that one right there. So everybody's walking by me. I was. I'm in every sh. I was. It was like there was three shots. It was the dancers and me.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

But to see the actual dancing, it's better on tv. Interesting, because you can't. There's times where I was like, ooh, that dance didn't look that good. And then I'd watch on tv, I was like, oh, no, that wasn't bad. So again, as an experience, it's like a sporting event. You know, you go see a professional basketball game or a football game, you go for the entire experience. If you want to actually see what's happening in the game, better you watch it on tv. So that's. That's what I felt. But I got.

[Producer Tara]

Me.

[Will Friedle]

Got to hang out with Alex and Trina and Rusty and Betsy and Bill and Bonnie, and it was a ton of fun. And you see all the stars. Dennis Quaid is there. And, you know, I. I talked to Grant show from Grant show was on Melrose Place forever. And he and I did a show together when I did an episode of True Blue when I was 11. So I haven't seen this guy since I was 11 years old. He's like high fiving me but pretending to remember me. It was really sweet. So, I mean, again, for the experience. And like, we talked about the first time dressing up and, you know, this time because we were, quote, unquote celebrities, we weren't just Danielle's friends. We were backstage in the VIP area. So we're meeting all the other dancers and all that stuff. Yeah. So get rid of Ryder, you get better, better benefits. So it was. It was great. But you were very much missed for me, not by me so much, but everybody else really missed you quite a bit. So just so you know, Justin and everybody, Betsy looks stunning. Trina looks stunning. Alex Deser is the single coolest human being that I. That I've ever met in my life.

[Ryder Strong]

Of course.

[Will Friedle]

And then there's Rusty, who sitting next to Rusty at this at times was like sitting next to you at things like this, where Rusty's like, there's an awful lot of clapping. Wait, oh, wait, we're standing again.

[Ryder Strong]

People really seem to care about this.

[Will Friedle]

And then he's like, asking me stuff. He's like, okay, why, why, why now? Why did that matter? I was like, well, I think because she's the host and she hasn't danced in a while. Okay. And so all of a sudden I was The Dancing with the Stars expert, which was weird.

[Producer Tara]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

So I was, you know, helping. Helping Rusty kind of figure everything out as.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, well, I'm really curious to hear how the perspective changed based on being in the room versus. Because I'm always shocked by, like, watching it on tv and you see, like, what you think is the best dance, and then it cuts to the audience, and there's just sort of like, tepid golf class claps going on, and then the vice versa where you're like, that was okay, but everyone's on their feet.

[Will Friedle]

I'm like, how was it in the.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

Well, I can tell you, in the room, I was angry at home. I was furious. So we'll get into that.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah. Calling some out today.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay. Well, the theme for the episode was Dedication Night. Quite a swing from Disney to dedication.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. TikTok to dedication.

[Ryder Strong]

Kind of different. My God, it went from, like, fun and games to, like, tears. Yeah. Death sadness.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But for me, man, this episode was just by far the coolest in terms of the dancing.

[Will Friedle]

100% agree with you.

[Ryder Strong]

It was so emotional, and it felt personal, and I was just like, yes, so.

[Will Friedle]

And I thought some of the prettiest dances we've seen all season were. I mean, there was a couple dances where it was like, wow, I don't know anything about dance. I don't particularly like dance. And I could watch that for a long time.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Yep. I felt the same way, man.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, so we started off with Andy Richter and Emma Slater. Andy dedicated it to his daughter Cornelia, the cutest little thing in the world.

[Will Friedle]

Adorable.

[Ryder Strong]

And this, you know, immediately I was like, this is a great way to start the night. You know, Andy's clearly on the bottom in terms of dancing. Yeah. But who cares? It was so fun. And to his credit, like, I finally felt like his legs were not holding him back the way it had been in other weeks.

[Will Friedle]

I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

I was watching his feet, and I was like, he's committing. He's going for it. And I also think something about, you know, caring about his daughter being there. You could tell all this energy was on her. Yeah. Which was a good place to be, I think, getting out of his own head, having fun. I thought this was lovely. But, yeah, very, very different from what came after in terms of, you know, complexity of the dance moves and all that stuff. So Andy's just hanging on by charm.

[Will Friedle]

He's hanging on by charm. He also, the judges were like, Carrie Anne was like, I see the progress. I actually See you dancing now. This is great. The scores weren't reflective, but they were all very positive about Andy and his dance journey. Let's keep that in mind as we move forward. That Andy and his dance journey. Very, very positive about Andy and everything that he's doing.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. But he did achieve, like, a fluidity that he hadn't achieved.

[Will Friedle]

100% agree with that. He was dancing. He was dancing.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes. Sixes across the board again. Yeah. Which is kind of his standard thing right now. Who was the extra judge this week? I didn't quite understand.

[Will Friedle]

It was the LeBlanc lady.

[Ryder Strong]

Who? What?

[Will Friedle]

The blonde lady?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Dancing.

[Producer Tara]

Kim Johnson was a professional on Dancing with the Stars years ago.

[Will Friedle]

There you go. That's what I was going to say.

[Ryder Strong]

Gotcha.

[Will Friedle]

Professional blonde lady. Kim. I think it's Kim with a Y too. Which puts it to a whole different. Yeah, yeah. Scenario.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, she was great. I liked hearing some new feedback, a new voice in there.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, I agree 100%. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So. All right. So, Andy, hold on. I have a qu.

[Will Friedle]

I have a question for you with this. Now he's getting all sixes every week. Do you think at this point it's working to his benefit to be getting lower scores? Because people are like, come on, you keep giving him sixes, I'm going to vote for him.

[Ryder Strong]

Yep.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, we're still in the zone of, like, there are the professional dancers who are clearly going to be the top three, top four or five who are not stars. Right, Sorry. Like, I agree. I was watching this with a friend who had never seen the show before. He's is an actor and he was like. He was like, all right, so they're going to start with Andy and they're going to put Danielle near the back of the lineup because those are the only actual stars left. And dancer. And I was like, well, kind of.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, everyone. They are celebrities, I guess, but, you know, they. They. The TikTok dancers. I'm totally with you now that I'm like, but you're a dancer. Like, this is what you do.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Or you're. You're a Mormon wife who dances.

[Will Friedle]

Correct.

[Ryder Strong]

That's not the same thing as being an actor who dances or an entertainer in some other capacity who dances. It's so. It seems a little.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

It's just, again, two different shows.

[Will Friedle]

It's just. And I also think they can't change the title, but they should moving forward to something like celebrity dance contest.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

Because it's not. You're not. None of. They're not stars. They're celebrities. And again, that's fine. The word celebrity is different now. And TikTok celebrity is a thing. And Instagram celebrities totally understand that reality show celebrities thing. Not stars.

[Ryder Strong]

Dancing with the influencers.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, there you go. Love it.

[Ryder Strong]

All right. And then we went into Robert Irwin and Whitney.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, dude.

[Ryder Strong]

Dude. This was just tears for me from start to finish. I couldn't. I couldn't control it. I was like, yeah, you know. You know, we talked about how Robert started off kind of too strong and had to kind of pull it back a little bit and be more technical. And then I just blew it out of the water.

[Will Friedle]

This was better than his first dance, which I think is difficult to say, but there's something that. This is where. This is where being at the show really benefits you, because I got to witness something that no one else got to see. So during. He's sitting down on the stage, he's facing forward in his start position. And then there's his dance partner Whitney, behind him, who's stunning and amazing and incredible. And they're playing the pre show package behind him, and all of us in the audience are watching the pre show package. She knows he can't hear this because of the dance they're about to do, so she's kneeling behind him, covering his ears.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

Because she did not want him to hear mom talking and lose it emotionally. So she's holding on to him from behind and covering both his ears. And he's like muttering to himself. He's like. He's like saying something to himself. And she's like, stay in, stay focused. You just don't get out. And so that going to the show for things like that is really cool because again, I am literally three feet away from them. I'm six inches from the stage. And he's muttering to himself, and she's just holding his ears as we're all already crying, watching the package and literally thinking to myself, oh, my God, that's brilliant. You can't. I'm not letting you hear this. I'm not letting you hear anything I say. It was a really incredible moment. And then the dance started and it was just so there's a moment in the dance where he. They're both on the ground and they both. I'm going to use a term that I think it is, but I don't know. It is. They bridge up, so he kind of bridges up. And he's directly in front of me, and I'm a foot away, two feet away at most. And his Face. His eyes are distant and they're away. He doesn't see the audience. I can tell. He. It's like watching an actor in the zone. He was just in the moment, and I just had this. This shiver, and I was like, oh, my God. Like, it was. He was a professional dancer that night, telling exactly the story he wanted to. That was amazing to me. That truly was amazing to me.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. So this was a contemporary dance, which is a category I don't think we've seen up until tonight.

[Will Friedle]

I don't think so. Right.

[Ryder Strong]

But it was. The majority of the dances were contemporary, which I guess means free for all, just expressive dancing, more sort of storytelling. And, man, I love this. Like, I just. Because I'm more of a contemporary dance person, because it's all about the story you're telling. It's all about the expressiveness of your body to the music. And I love it. And I agree. Just the majority of the dances tonight were contemporary, obviously, because they wanted to tell their sort of personal.

[Will Friedle]

Now I have a question, so. Good for producer Tara. Producer Tara, are you there?

[Amy Sugarman]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. So you know an awful lot about Dancing with the Stars, and I'm curious about this. Are they told the dance style they're going to do, or do they get to pick the dance style they want?

[Producer Tara]

Um, they're usually told what they're gonna do. They're given the style.

[Will Friedle]

That's really what I figured, because. And we'll get to it. I figured Danielle, on a night like this would not have picked the jive.

[Ryder Strong]

Interesting. I thought they got to be, you know, because they had to pick.

[Producer Tara]

They have a say in their songs based on the theme. To a certain extent. I think there's also, like, limitations. I don't know too much behind the scenes, but.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Producer Tara]

I know people are given their dance style.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I figured.

[Ryder Strong]

And they can only do every dance style once in the course of the season.

[Producer Tara]

No, you can do. You can do it twice. Sometimes they're given, like. Sometimes there's like a redemption where it's like, oh, we're going to do the jive again down the line in week nine, for example.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

So you can get the same style twice.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Because I figured if you could pick what you wanted for tonight, everyone. Everybody would have picked something like the contemporary to tell a story.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Because. Yeah, it was. It was breathtaking, for lack of a better.

[Ryder Strong]

Amazing. I was like tens across the board. Just give it to him. What's a 10? What?

[Will Friedle]

What's a 10? Is my question. What's a 10?

[Ryder Strong]

I guess maybe they don't even give tens until, like, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Right. I think that's what it is.

[Ryder Strong]

15 or whatever they're talking about.

[Will Friedle]

But this is where the judging really started to piss me off. One judge in particular that we think about. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, because it was a caran with an eight.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. How is this an eight?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know. I mean, I'm not technically savvy enough to see what he possibly could have done better.

[Will Friedle]

Right. But the three other judges are. And they all gave it nines.

[Ryder Strong]

I know, I know.

[Will Friedle]

So, yeah, this is where I started to go. Like, I think some people have their favorites. I think they are overly harsh on people they don't like and overly generous with people they do. And I really saw that with Carrie Ann.

[Ryder Strong]

It's. It's human judging, right?

[Will Friedle]

It is.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, that's the thing. 100%. They're not robots. They're supposed to be responding from a human place.

[Will Friedle]

So that's why the umpires in baseball need to stay human beings, because their flaws are part of the game. I get it.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes. I know. And that's. I mean, I also just. By the time he was talking afterwards to the judges, and they're all just hugging Bruno can't even keep it together, and they're hugging each other. I'm just sitting there at home, like, you know, tears streaming. I was watching with my parents and. And, you know, they had only seen the first episode when. When the. And now, and they were like, oh, wow. And we were all just so emotional. I was like, I can't even judge the dance anymore. That was just so beautiful. And, like, you know, the idea that, of course he. You know, he could have dedicated it to his dad. Right. I mean, that's like. But by dedicating it to his mom, it was such a. An even more beautiful message, really, like, honors his dad, but also is, like, celebrating the person who has actually been with him the last, you know, however many years. Oh, my.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was amazing. Again, if I wasn't dead inside, which we all know that I am, I.

[Ryder Strong]

Certainly would have been crying.

[Will Friedle]

I would have cried at this.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

I didn't, but I would have.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, so sue was a mess.

[Will Friedle]

By the way, there, and. And watching it again last night.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Trying to keep it together. I was just, like, trying to take notes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was gorgeous. Everything about it was amazing. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So then we went to Elaine and Alan, which was. I mean, that's a tough act to follow, by the way.

[Will Friedle]

No kidding. Jensen. Jensen literally leaned over to me and he's like, I'm so glad Danielle didn't have to go next. Yeah. Because it's true. That's a tough act to follow.

[Ryder Strong]

So Elaine and Alan. Elaine dedicated her dance to her best friend and the Parent Trap co star Lisa Ann Walter. I, I thought this was so fun. I love seeing the pre show package and their friendship and then I thought the dance was really fun, you know, it was, it felt like a play.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Do you know what I mean? It reminded again she's very musical, theatery and in this case they did a foxtrot. So it had its sort of ballroom dance component but all the switching partners and like really involved Lisa in a way that you know, a lot of the people when they were doing their dedication, they didn't involve their dedicated person as much. In this case I was like, wow, she's like dancing with them and I thought it was super fun.

[Will Friedle]

I did too. His spinning in between the two of them and like grabbing the one of them then grabbing the other, then the three of them together. It really flowed. Well, the choreography was great for this.

[Ryder Strong]

But this is hard to follow the emotionality of the previous.

[Will Friedle]

Hugely hard. But maybe exactly what we needed. Like a little light hearted friends dancing around. Totally different style of ballroom dance. It was probably perfect at the time.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, they got 8, 7, 7 and 8 now. So here this is where I agree with you that Carrie Anne giving an eight to Robert Whitney and then an eight to Elaine and Allen. I was like where are you coming from?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I don't, it's like well how are you picking, are you just randomly picking numbers? Like what are you doing?

[Ryder Strong]

No, I just, you know, she was going from some sort of, I don't know, it's a different place. But yeah, it was, you know, but this was great. This was fine. Like I just kind of hard to follow the previous dance. So I, you know. But I think any other night this probably was Elaine's. One of Elaine's best dances. Right. Like compared to all her other stuff.

[Will Friedle]

I think so too. I think they also again keep in mind 8, 7, 7, 8. And we're very positive with their remarks. I think Kim gave one kind of maybe do this with your hand. But other than that they're all like.

[Ryder Strong]

This is with the pen in her hand.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, no, the pen was later. This was, this was where you have to put your like your hand and around. Oh right. The way she was holding his shoulder. Yeah, holding his shoulder and yeah, so.

[Ryder Strong]

That'S the kind of stuff I have no idea.

[Will Friedle]

And giving great, great criticism where I'm like, we. Again, you're right, we don't know any of that. So sitting there and listening to, like, oh, wow. If you just move your hand like this, this changes. Super cool.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, really cool.

[Will Friedle]

But very positive feedback. Yeah, keep that in mind again.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay. I love where we're going. All right, next up was Whitney and Mark. This was just amazing. I found this so fascinating from a story point of view and from a dancing point of view and how those two things were sort of merged. Because here she is doing a dance dedicated to her husband, who has allowed her to do things like Dancing with the Stars and been her support system taking care of their kids in LA while she's, you know, rehearsing all day, every day with her, you know, dance professional partner, Mark. And so the way that they incorporated her husband as basically a professional dancer doing everything with her and. And then, you know, sort of taking Mark's place at times and then Mark coming in, I thought this was so cool, because it was like, we're watching them dance out. The dynamic of Dancing with the Stars.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

It was like, wow. Like, you feel, like, separated, you know, because you're so busy and then you're involving him. But this is also my worst nightmare. Like, if my wife was on a dancing show and she was like, I want to dedicate it to you, and you also have to do all the.

[Will Friedle]

There you go. But he did it.

[Ryder Strong]

I love this guy. I was like, dude, committed.

[Will Friedle]

I love the concept.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

I thought the execution. There were times they were all off.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

And I mean, clearly off to where I noticed it.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. Well, they talked about her, you know, jumping out of sync. Right?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But here's the thing about that ending.

[Will Friedle]

Out of sync.

[Ryder Strong]

But here's the thing that I kept thinking, okay, she has been very technically good.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Every other dance. Right. She's never been off time. Isn't the fact that she was out of sync with her professional dancing partner more of an indication of exactly the story they were trying to tell, which is that she was probably more concerned about her husband's dancing and she was more committed to whether he was going to be doing a good job than her own dancing? Which only furthers the story, which is if she's dedicating the night to him. Do you know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

I think if that was done on purpose, but that wasn't done on purpose, but I don't care.

[Ryder Strong]

I felt it, like, emotionally, I was like, you're messing up because you're concerned about your husband, which is the whole point of this dance. That's crazy. But more points.

[Will Friedle]

That's.

[Ryder Strong]

I thought it was beautiful. No, I thought it was like a.

[Will Friedle]

Beautiful somebody better for screwing up. I don't, I mean, that's like.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I know.

[Will Friedle]

I disagree.

[Ryder Strong]

But just in my mind, my analytical mind, I was like, you know what that, you know what that says? That says that she cares about exactly what she says she cares about.

[Will Friedle]

They were out of sync on purpose to show the storyline, but they weren't.

[Ryder Strong]

She was just out of sync, but you know what I'm saying?

[Will Friedle]

I do. And I think it's great.

[Ryder Strong]

That's so sweet, actually.

[Will Friedle]

Beautiful story. She's a wonderful professional dancer working with another professional dancer. But if you're going to judge her like everybody else, which they aren't, then she messed up.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, so if you mess up, how does Carrie Anne give that a 9 with a clear mess up? When Robert Irwins was flawless and that got an 8? That's when you're just going, okay, there's no, there's no rhyme or reason to any of this. Like, it's just, I like you, so I'm going to give you a higher score. Maybe I don't like you that much. I'm going to get. There doesn't seem to be anything behind any of it.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, what about this? What about this? Because I would have given a nine to personally, I think that there's, there's something to be said for the challenge you give yourself. Right. And like, you know, in gymnastics, if you do a triple backflip versus a double backflip, if you pull off a poorly done triple backflip, you did you get a higher score, maybe. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, sure, of course.

[Will Friedle]

And I think maybe difficulty counts.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes. And I think that there's something to be said for the difficulty of involving a non dancing husband as much as she did and, and committing to that maybe as the. Yes. Because she could have played it safe. She could have just. Right. Had her husband show up and bowed to him, you know, and then done an amazing. But instead she took on this huge challenge.

[Will Friedle]

I'm not saying she did not deserve a nine. I'm saying Robert deserved a nine.

[Ryder Strong]

Good mark ballot. Like, agree. Nailed it.

[Will Friedle]

It's no problem. Tonight.

[Ryder Strong]

Choreography tonight with the. Because contemporary is so much more wide open, expressive and I.

[Will Friedle]

Beautiful. I don't disagree. I'm, I'm not saying she deserved a lower score. I'm saying the scoring makes no sense if he gets an eight for a flawless thing and she gets a nine when there's a clear mistake. Right. That even a neophyte like myself can go, wow, that wasn't even close.

[Ryder Strong]

But the other judges also gave eight, so this was the highest score of the season at this point in the night.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, gave nines. It was. It was four nines, right? No, no, no, no, no. It was 9, 9, 8, 8, 8. That's right.

[Ryder Strong]

So they were all pretty high. Like, nobody, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

It's.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. But again, why. What is Carrie Ann seeing to where during Roberts, it's three nines and she gives an eight, and this time it's one nine and three eights. Like, are the three of them wrong? And she's right. I. I don't know. I just don't get the scoring. That's what it comes down to. I don't get the scoring, and I don't get a lot of the feedback.

[Ryder Strong]

She said at one point in the night that she doesn't have kids, right?

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, so Robert is doing a dance about his mother. It's that. That's the emotion about her husband and partnership, because they're the inverse scores. Right. They got. She gave eight, and then they gave. They gave nines to Robert.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

And then this case, she gave nine and they gave eight.

[Will Friedle]

But I don't think Derek has kids either. And he's. He's, you know, well, but with.

[Ryder Strong]

Danced with Roberts.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. He was, like, part of their family.

[Ryder Strong]

He's, like part of the family. I'm so proud of him.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, and apparently his wife is pregnant, so that's got to be.

[Ryder Strong]

There you go. There you go. Next up, Jen Affleck and Jan. And she dedicated her dance to her mom, Maria. This was the Viennese waltz. You know, this was, again, a tough act to follow. Yeah, I thought this was fine. I kind of like a Viennese waltz. I don't know what that is, but.

[Will Friedle]

I kind of liked it different than a Viennese coffee, which is what you're used to.

[Ryder Strong]

And I wasn't sure about any of the technicality regarding this dance because it wasn't contemporary. It's like I sort of. To reset my brain of, like, what am I judging? What am I, you know, thinking about? And I don't know. It seemed great, you know, but here's.

[Will Friedle]

Here's what I'm gonna say, and it's gonna sound mean, and I swear to God, I don't mean it to come off as mean in any way, shape or form. It's just how I feel. Cause it happened again last night. She was totally fine. I constantly forget she's on the show.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Like, she pops on and I'm like, oh, that's right. She's. She's on the show.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

And I'm not saying that as to be mean to her. She's just a little bit forgettable with everything else going on around her. And she seems like a perfectly lovely person and her story is very captivating and the dance was fine. But even as I'm sitting here, I saw it live and I saw it last night on tv and I kind of can't remember what it was.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. But imagine if she was an actor from a sitcom or had done a show that you would watch.

[Will Friedle]

She'd be brilliant.

[Ryder Strong]

That's the thing from. From our point of view. I don't know who she is until we started watching the show. And I don't know if she has the kind of career that like someone like Danielle does or Andy Richter, you know, where you're like watching somebody who you can be involved with as a person do something very difficult. In this case, I'm like, you're a mom of many children and you just had a kid. That's cool. But, yeah, you're right. I don't have a personal connection to her.

[Will Friedle]

I don't.

[Ryder Strong]

So when she does a good technical dance, because she didn't choose as like, you know, as her mom, which was great. But it didn't. It didn't draw me in the same way emotionally, story wise that the previous dance, who. I also, I don't know who Whitney is before this show.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

But that story and the way she was able to convey it with the dance between her and her husband really drew me in. So it really stood out.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I just. It was fine. It was fine. And I'm sure she's perfectly lovely. I've just. She's just kind of lost in the pack a little.

[Ryder Strong]

But I. Exactly. And I think she's probably going to be in the bottom.

[Will Friedle]

I think so too.

[Ryder Strong]

I think this, you know, this was a chance for her to potentially really involve us and make her story more memorable. And instead it was like she did a good technical dance and it was great.

[Will Friedle]

I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

So we'll see. We'll see. I mean, I was really kind of like, annoyed that they didn't do any eliminations this week.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, I'm so glad it didn't happen. Oh, go. I was. I was a nervous Wreck.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

I'm sitting there watching them all. They're freaking three feet from me. They don't know if they're going home. When she finally finished, I said to Danielle, you can't. I know this is not about me, but you can't do this to me anymore. I, I don't know if I'm be able to make it through the end. Like, it's so. I, it's. I'm sitting there like shaking with anticipate. Oh, it was awful. It was awful. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But why do you think they didn't do it? Just because it was so emotional. They didn't want to judge anybody based on.

[Will Friedle]

I think it's one of those things. And producer Tara might have said this to me. I don't know. Somebody said this to me and it's true. It's like they don't want to send you home on the possibility that it was your husband or your wife or your mom that made the mistake.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

Where it's like, you know, hey, how do you judge somebody who dances with a five year old girl and say the dance wasn't any good?

[Ryder Strong]

It's so true.

[Will Friedle]

So you can't, you can't. Like, so do they.

[Ryder Strong]

But they do dedication night every season. Do they always avoid. Eliminate.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I asked too. And I think they kind of don't, you know, don't do anything because Jensen said to me, he's like, I was so nervous. I go, who do you think is going to go? He's like, oh, we're 99, sure no one's going home tonight? I was like, what? He's like, yeah, dedication night. They don't normally send anybody home, but they didn't know. And then as they start reading the results, he's like, maybe we're wrong. And I was like, oh, God. So. But no, I think that's kind of the norm that they don't send anybody.

[Producer Tara]

Well, this was also the first year that the person they're dedicating to is actually involved.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, really.

[Will Friedle]

There you go.

[Producer Tara]

Years. Like you didn't have, you didn't have like Lisa and Elisa Ann Walter doing a full dance or you didn't have.

[Ryder Strong]

Interesting. Okay. So, yeah, that's why they didn't do it. Yeah.

[Producer Tara]

They couldn't like if, like if Andy went home and his daughter, you know, she right, you know, awful.

[Will Friedle]

It's like, how do you. I can't believe you got me kicked off of Dancing with the Stars. You tiny little girl. Like, mom, you did it to me again. Exactly. So they kind of go, we're gonna have be to have a big, emotional night. Then we'll.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Now are they gonna do it? I wonder if they're gonna do it like they do sometimes on some of these reality shows that I'll watch where they won't eliminate anybody, and then the next week, they eliminate.

[Ryder Strong]

Eliminate two. Oh, God.

[Producer Tara]

But also, in the past, we've had, like, different finales where there's been a finale with five, there's been a finale with four. So there's been a finale with three. So you actually don't even know what they're gonna do. You don't know if there's gonna be a double elimination at some point before the finale.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

God.

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[Ryder Strong]

Jen and Yon got 8. 7. 7. 7.

[Amy Sugarman]

Fair.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

In fact, a little nice.

[Will Friedle]

I thought maybe could have been seven.

[Ryder Strong]

My assumption is that the technicality of the Viennese waltz was. Was good in order to be. Maybe.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, next up, Dylan Efron and Daniela. He dedicated it to his little sister Olivia, who's tiny, so cute. But she talked in the pre show package. I was like, why does she talk like a 35 year old woman? Did you notice that?

[Will Friedle]

I was like, no.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, this kid, she had such like precocious.

[Will Friedle]

Oh my God.

[Ryder Strong]

This kid's like. It was so cute. I was like, oh my God, she's. Yeah. There was something about the way she spoke. I was like, you're. You're. You're not five.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, that's funny.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe kid acting just runs in the jeans. I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

It.

[Ryder Strong]

It must pretty incredible.

[Will Friedle]

He is so likable. It's one horrible.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, dude. This was. I mean like I Didn't think it could get better than Robert Irwin. I mean, I've said since the beginning, Daniella is the best dancer in the whole bunch. And this was insane. Like, there were moments in this dance where it felt like she wasn't a human being. It was like she was flying around him. It was like she had this, like, magical flight ability. It was like she was levitating. It was insane.

[Will Friedle]

It was magic.

[Ryder Strong]

I was like. It felt like she had put on, like, a. A magical dress that was, like, lifting her up and throwing her. I was like. And then he was just so stable, and, like, when they did the big lift, I was like, oh, my God, this is. Yeah, this is incredible.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, he's also in the room. It was that good. It started so during rehearsal, he. He did the, like, they were just kind of running around the stage. Like, everybody kind of runs around the stage. They're kind of practicing a little bit, and the two of them just had this quick burst of speed where they did the giant burst and the twist. And sue and I looked at each other like, what the hell was that? And then the dance started, and it was so good. And the little girl runs right off. Like, if you watch the thing, she runs right to me. Like, she literally runs right. Right and falls right in front of me. She jumps off the stage and falls. It was the cutest thing. She, like, got up with a giggle. It was the cutest thing in the world. But he is also, to me, exactly what this show is about. Whereas you go watch his first episode, and he's likable and personable, but he's stiff and doesn't know what he's doing. He's like a dancer now. I mean, he looks so good out there. He's obviously out of his own head. He's enjoying learning the techniques, and the two of them together are just shredding it. It's great.

[Producer Tara]

He.

[Will Friedle]

I still think Robert Irwin is in the number one position. I think. I think he solidified it with this week, but I think Dylan's a real close second at this point.

[Ryder Strong]

Yep, that's.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, that's my opinion. I think he's just. He was so good, and she was adorable, and it was just. This was. This was kind of a magical moment of the night.

[Ryder Strong]

And I think the match of Dylan and Daniela, too, is really key. Like, he's bringing exactly the right energy for her form of dance. Like, they're just working so well together, and you can tell they just get along and they're on the same Page. And yeah, I thought this was. I mean, you got nines across the.

[Will Friedle]

Board and rightfully so.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean. I mean, we beat the best score of the season. Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Will Friedle]

It was great. Phenomenal. And he's just, again, he's so. He's got this infectious smile about him. I told you we were got to be in the VIP section backstage. And while we didn't meet him, I just didn't want to mess with any of the dancers or any of that kind of stuff. You don't want to get in anybody's head. Danielle, of course, is running around saying hi to everybody, and she's just. Has such poise. It's horrifying. But I just kept seeing Dylan around the area. He smiles the whole time. He was. It wasn't like, he's not putting this on. He's just got a giant smile on.

[Ryder Strong]

His face, like a good dude the whole time and. And committing to the challenge that he's been faced with and working his off. It's great.

[Will Friedle]

Killing it and killing it. Yeah. He's so likable. That's why every reality show wants him. And people are just going to start throwing money at this guy because it's like, please, please rep my product, please do this, please do that. Because he's just so damn likable, you know?

[Ryder Strong]

And also, he's clearly physically capable in a way. Like, I mean, he's been rock climbing, he's younger, he's just. He clearly can. Can rise to this challenge physically in a way that like, Andy Richter can't.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like, yeah, that's fine. But like, he's becoming a professional dancer in the course of this, which is understandable. Like, he's.

[Will Friedle]

He seems like one of those. Yeah, like one of those guys where if there's. He'll be good at anything that physicality is involved in, he's that guy where it's like, I've never shot a bow and arrow in my life, and by the end of the day, I'm hitting the bullseye nine out of ten times. He seems like that kind of guy to me. And he's. He's just. Yeah, he's killing it.

[Ryder Strong]

Then we had Julianne, the host, do a dance with the other professional dancers, which was good to see. I was like, oh, cool. Like, yeah, seeing her.

[Will Friedle]

And this is where Rusty. Rusty leaned over and he's like, why, why, why is everybody excited? What's going on?

[Ryder Strong]

Why do we care?

[Will Friedle]

And I'm like, well, Julianne's the host and that's what he said. He's like, who's that? I'm like, oh, she's the host, and I don't think she's danced in a while, so she's gonna dance with the whole kind of troupe. And he's like, oh, right. Oh, okay. That makes sense. He goes, oh, are we standing again? I'm like, I. I don't know. I think we'll probably stand and clap. I think so. You should care.

[Ryder Strong]

You should care.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, it was.

[Ryder Strong]

He just.

[Will Friedle]

He was just like, why is it. Why does everybody care? What am I missing? So. But yeah, it was. It was cool to see her dance, and she's obviously phenomenal. I mean, I had no idea because I'd never seen her dance before. Except in that movie.

[Ryder Strong]

Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

But this is. She was great. So, yeah, it was. It was cool to watch five incredibly beautiful women in really beautiful flowing dresses doing a really, really beautiful dance. I mean, aesthetically, there was nothing that was not pleasing about watching that live or on tv.

[Ryder Strong]

Next up was Jordan and Ezra, your.

[Will Friedle]

Favorite, but some of your favorites, right, Man? Really?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. I just love her. Yeah. You know, I just think that she's. Because she could, like, so easily. Like, even my dad, who hadn't seen anything since the first episode, was like, isn't she a gymnast? Shouldn't she be, like, flipping around? And I was like, no, she's. She's trying to do something different here, you know? And for me, what's really struck. Like, what's really struck me about Jordan is, like, when they stand next to each other, you can see this height difference. That's just insane. Right? But when they're dancing, it never occurs to me. And what I was watching her this time, her arms are incredible. She's using her arms compared to how she started. She is now making. She's accentuating every one of her moves perfectly. And that's not a gymnast thing. I mean, obviously, it's a strength thing, but it's an elegance. It's a. And I think the judges called it her musicality. That's getting better. And I'm like, yes, because she clearly has the physical capability, but you know, to be able to be expressive with your arms and to tell a story and to, you know, just not just. Just be a dancer. It was incredible. So I thought this was great. I love seeing her dad involved and, like, yeah, they. She did more than half the dance with her dad.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I found this. Again, I like the story. I like her. I found this a little boring. If I'm Honest.

[Producer Tara]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

With all the other stuff we kind of saw in the night, I was kind of like, okay, it was a dance. Like, it wasn't bad. Certainly technically was. Was very pretty. She's so graceful, the way she moves. She obviously is completely in touch with every aspect of her body and knows how to move it. And I just, I found it a little, just a little bit boring for me this week.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, so you would have. It got eights across the board. You would have given it less.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, probably not, because the technicality was there. I probably would have given it the same score, but it was just a little, kind of forgettable for me this week.

[Ryder Strong]

Right, right.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I don't think I would have changed the score. I don't think it was. It deserved a seven. I think it deserved eights across the, the board. I think that's, that's right about where she would definitely was not Dylan. She definitely was not Robert. So I can.

[Ryder Strong]

Who is.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, with, you know, or, or, you know, any given week, you never know. So it's one of those things where, yeah, this one to me was a little like, okay, it was a dance.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, the, the judges commented on how much of a risk it was to involve her dad as much as they did, and I, I, I appreciated that too. I was like, yeah, like, this is cool for Ezra to, you know. Cause he got emotional in the pre show package about his father. And so I found it super interesting that he was like, you know what? I'm gonna let this be their thing and let this guy who isn't part of the competition kind of take over and just be a dad in the dance itself. And similar to Whitney's story with her husband, it was like, oh, the dance itself is kind of telling the story of this relationship in a way that is really beautiful.

[Will Friedle]

I get that. By the way, before we go any further, who would you dedicate your dance to?

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, is there a way that I could not dance? No.

[Will Friedle]

You got to say, you. You wake up in your hell and you've got dedication night. Who. Who do you dedicate it to?

[Ryder Strong]

I have no idea. Do you have an answer?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I mean, I would, I would certainly dedicate it to my, My wife. Yeah, but see, I also don't have children. I don't, you know, so it's like, I really don't. My parents physically wouldn't be able to do it, so it would be. Yeah, I would, I would dedicate it to Susan.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, Indie does. He is actually a Very good dancer. He doesn't do it, but when he.

[Will Friedle]

Dances, it's like, he's good.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God, dude. Like, you should be doing this all the time. So that could be fun just to dedicate something to him and let him go crazy. Alex is also a very good dancer. Alex has this.

[Will Friedle]

She'd make you look bad.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, she probably would.

[Will Friedle]

But she.

[Ryder Strong]

One of the things I love about my wife more than anything is that she has the ability to. Like almost every wedding we go to, at some point, she gets the entire dance floor to do an interpretive dance with her. Like she does. It's just. It's the greatest thing ever.

[Will Friedle]

Did she do that at my wedding?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know if she did. It's one of the funniest things. And it starts off as comedy. She always starts off as comedy. It's like she's kind of going crazy and everybody's like, what is she doing? And by the end, she's usually involved the bride and the groom, and she gets everybody following her lead, doing like time after time as an interpretive dance.

[Will Friedle]

And it's like, it's half jokey, half.

[Ryder Strong]

Ironic, but it's also very good. And it's. And she's never planned. She does not have a choreographed routine. She's feeling it, and it's just so fun. It works every time. And like, I just. I've just. And of course, I never join in, but I'm always just sitting back watching. So proud and in love with her expressive capabilities. You know, because she's an artist. She can. She can sing, she can act, and she can dance and she just does it and she brings it in this way. So maybe I would dedicate it to her just to let her do.

[Will Friedle]

Just to let her do her thing. Yeah, I remember her dancing at your wedding, and I remember her dancing at my wedding, but I don't remember the interpretive dancing. So that's. That's awesome.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, no, it's. She. She usually takes the stage for a moment and gets everybody going. It's so fun to watch. It's incredible skill. Introducing the IHOP value menu, where all your breakfast faves are just six bucks each and every day.

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[Will Friedle]

Very nice.

[Ryder Strong]

Amazing. Yep. Big news. Yep. What a way to pull on our heartstrings.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God. Brilliant. Yeah. Although I might. I might have saved it for a week where they are kicking people off. I might have saved that. I don't know if they knew or not, but I might have saved that announcement for a week when. When people are going home. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

No, it was a good move.

[Will Friedle]

Good move, Scott. I see you.

[Ryder Strong]

I thought, you know, this. This, like, I've talked about how he should be wearing a suit. He was wearing a sparkly suit. I loved their sparkles together. I was. Looked great, but this was hard to follow. You know, you've had so much.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

More expressive contemporary dancing going on. This felt a little traditional. Felt a little like. Yeah, sure. But he's come a long way with, like, we've talked about.

[Will Friedle]

He has.

[Ryder Strong]

So I thought this was great and a little bit of a cheat to sing at the beginning, and I didn't.

[Will Friedle]

Like the singing at the beginning. I thought that was a little. I was just like, wait a minute.

[Ryder Strong]

I was like, you got a great voice, and this is awesome. But. But it's not a singing show.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. It was a little much for me. Just the whole I'm singing right to you for a song that he wrote to him. It's like, okay, I get it. But it's like, this is a bit. It's a bit much for me.

[Ryder Strong]

I know. Yeah. I've also been at weddings where people sing to each other, like, at the altar. And it's the same sort of like, okay, this is either should be a very private moment or a very public moment. When you try and do both at the same time, it's like, it misses on both counts.

[Will Friedle]

You know what I mean? Because you're like, if this is really.

[Ryder Strong]

Personal, then I should look away or just listen to it or something. And if it's really public, then don't be so emotional and looking into.

[Amy Sugarman]

I don't know.

[Ryder Strong]

I get a little, like.

[Will Friedle]

I get you. It's. It's a little. It was just a little cringey. The singing was a little cringy. Love the outfits.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

They're obviously very much in love with each other, which shows. And that's great. And the dance was again, this. I put this again with kind of the Jordan one for me, where it was like, it was fine. It was very much in the middle. I thought of. Of what we saw tonight, and I think you're right. After some of the dances we've seen Tough act to follow.

[Ryder Strong]

I feel like. Yeah, I feel like everybody should have done contemporary, like across the board. If this many people are going to do it, then everybody should be completely free to just do an emotional storytelling dance.

[Will Friedle]

I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

Because every time somebody did a traditional dance, like including Danielle, which we'll get to, it was like, well, come on. Like, they're still playing. They're playing a different competition. Do you know what I mean? They're in a different thing and they're doing that really well. But because of everything else that's happening tonight, it's like, like, oh, God. Like they don't stand it.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I don't get why. And I, I, I can understand both arguments, but if I was running the show, everybody would do the foxtrot on one night. Everybody would do contemporary one night. Everybody. And then you're judging everybody.

[Ryder Strong]

Judge them accordingly.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Because you could see the same dude. That makes so much sense to me.

[Will Friedle]

I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

That is a great call. I wish they just. Yeah. Like, as opposed to like picking themes like Disney or whatever.

[Will Friedle]

It's jive night.

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

Because then I would learn more about the dances too, because I'd be able to compare them.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah, we'll take over. Take over.

[Will Friedle]

That's what you want, is me taking over dancing. I've got some changes.

[Ryder Strong]

All right. Then someone named Danielle Fischl danced and she brought some co star. Some guy up.

[Producer Tara]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

She brought the guy who was the voice of Kit in Knight Rider. Oh, that's what he's most, he's most known for.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Will Friedle]

Captain Cool.

[Ryder Strong]

What was his name?

[Will Friedle]

Captain Amazing. What was in the 50s? Who did he play?

[Ryder Strong]

Captain Fantastic.

[Will Friedle]

Is that what it was? Yeah, he's something like that. Something like that, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Bill. Oh, my God. Yeah. This is obviously very close to our heart.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So this was great to see. But again, doing a jive, a high energy jive after we've been crying over Robert Irwin, I was like, this is gonna be hard.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. Oh, wait, wait a second. Did we, did we say what Scott. What? Scott got.

[Ryder Strong]

Scott got seven. Eight. Seven, eight. Right, okay. Which seemed very kind.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I agree. It could have been, it could have been seven sevens and an eight or all sevens. I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Right, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Danielle, Danielle, it's. I don't know if I love the choice to dance to the Boy Beats World theme song just because I'm so sick of. Just gets stuck in my head. But also there were more lyrics do you think these were. These lyrics were.

[Will Friedle]

I think they just kept repeating boy meets world.

[Ryder Strong]

No, there was something about a bus stop.

[Will Friedle]

Really?

[Ryder Strong]

I was, Yeah, I was like, oh, nervous. Cuz I think there's a full version of the song out there.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. There. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So they must. It was like hearing the rest of the cheer song, which is very bizarre, by the way. Have you ever heard the full cheer song? Yeah, there's like a whole cross dressing thing. It's like, what.

[Will Friedle]

It's the same way.

[Ryder Strong]

What's happening? I don't know this and I know this song really well, but yeah, the.

[Will Friedle]

Theme song to MASH is literally called Suicide is Painless. So it's. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

[Ryder Strong]

But I just couldn't, you know, I. The second it started, I just kept thinking of all, you know, the joke that we do on our podcast every week, which is like when we have like the super dramatic awful moment and then just felt kind of like that coming out of all these emotional, expressive dances to be like.

[Will Friedle]

And it's.

[Ryder Strong]

It's fun time down to the schoolyard. But it was, it was. She brought so much energy again, like last week, Danielle is committing to the, the technicality of the dance and the, the. The form of the dance and like that feet work, man. I was just like, great, do it. Go for it.

[Will Friedle]

This is one that I needed that. When I saw it on the stage, I was like, ah. I don't know how good that was. Like, it didn't look bad, but I was like. Cause I couldn't really see. And then when I saw it back at home, I was like, oh, she was great. You know, she definitely. She was high energy. She looked great. He's dressed like Corey. She's dressed like anger. Her hair is crimped. It like it hit all the feels. You got Bill Daniels there, who, you know, again, is. Is a super old man who just wants to be there for us for things, who's just so sweet. I know, but it was, it felt out of place tonight. And that's why I'm asking who got to pick what, because for them to be like, hey, you're all going to do these beautiful contemporary dances. Danielle, you're doing the jive. It's like, yeah, okay. Really? It just seems like whoever got the jive that night, it's going to seem like it's out of place.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. So I don't know. I also wondered. I also, as much as, you know, obviously, like, I understand the connection to Bill and I understand the connection to Boy Meets world. I wonder if this is really what she needed in terms of, you know, like, everyone knows her as Topeka. Like, this was a chance for her to open up another aspect of Danielle's real life and to dedicate it to somebody like her husband or her kids or, you know, and the fact that she didn't do that, I was like, that's kind of a risk. Like, it's sort of jubbling down on what she's already known for coming into this competition. And it's not saying there's this whole aspect of my life, which is what everybody else did, right? Everybody else is like, you know me as singer, you know me as Mormon housewife. You know me as these other things, and here's a chance for me to showcase an aspect of my life that you don't know and dedicated to somebody from that. And by choosing Bill, which I totally understand why she did. I mean, of course known him, but I was like, is that going to be a. That's kind of a risk that's doubling down on what everyone already knows. You asked, right?

[Will Friedle]

You wonder, too, though, maybe she didn't have any other options. I mean, maybe. Maybe it's one of those things where it's like, maybe her husband doesn't want to dance with her, she doesn't want to put her kids on camera. I mean, there could be. It could be one of those things where it's like, who knows what she wanted to do? Maybe it was like, I'm dedicating to my mom or my dad, and they're like, well, I. I don't want to be on camera. In which case you would then go, kind of go, okay, what? What do I have left? Right? And then it's like, God, Bill Daniels. Oh, my God. Bring the house down with Bill Daniels. Which is a great choice. But to me, it wasn't about Bill or boy. It was about the D. The style of dance on this night just seemed out of place, Right? And so. And then we'll get to the judging, which, to me, I was infuriated when I got home when I watched it again. I do not know how they're judging Danielle. I do not think it's fair how they're judging. It seems like they have two categories. They have people that were celebrities that have had no dance experience whatsoever, that they're praising their journey and really telling them how great they are. And then the people that have serious dance competition, and they're judging them a little more harshly, and I feel like they put Danielle in that category. For some reason. Well, I don't know why that is.

[Ryder Strong]

I think early on, because she's an actor and because she's so likable, I think that they put the pressure on her to say, you need to learn how to technically dance.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

And so she's been doing that, and I think she did that last week and she did that this week. And I think what's interesting is that everybody else, almost everybody else, decided to draw into story and expressibility this week. And so I feel like she. She's out of step now in some way with what where the arc of the show a little bit. Because now she's still trying to say, like, I can do this. I can do the technical thing, when actually, like, I would love to see Danielle cut loose with a more emotional, expressive dance. And I hope, you know, well, I.

[Will Friedle]

Think she'll be able to do that with contemporary, I hope. But that's not what I mean. I mean, it seems like Andy gets up there and does a dance, and they're like, man, we can see your progress. You're doing great. Ellen gets up there and does a dance, who's also an actress but has huge dance experience, and they're like, man, your journey's going so well. Danielle gets up there and does that, and they're like, here's everything you're doing wrong.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

And I'm like, wait a second. Why is everybody criticizing her for everything she's done? And everybody else gets this. You are so amazing.

[Ryder Strong]

I think part of it is that she, like, she. She presents as so capable, you know, just as a person, as a personality. She.

[Amy Sugarman]

Sure.

[Ryder Strong]

And she also presents younger than she actually is. Do you know what I mean? Like, you look at somebody like Andy, you look at. You look at your. Your. The reality is she is older than Jen. She's older than, you know, these other. Like, she's in her 40s, but she doesn't look like it. Like Danielle looks like, you know, like, they even said they're like, you still look exactly like you did as a teenager. Right. And so I think that there's this expectation that she's, you know, and she hasn't leaned into, like, her identity as a mom as much. She hasn't leaned into her.

[Will Friedle]

But she also knows she's never danced before.

[Ryder Strong]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

So why is she not in that category? And it's not only that. Carrie Ann at one point says to her, look, I've got to tell you, all your dances are starting to look the same. And. But that's not On Danielle, she's not choreographing the dances. That's on Pasha. And so. And she goes, oh, yeah, no, this is also for you, Pasha. No, it's not also for Pasha. That's 100% on Pasha. A. I don't necessarily agree, but she's criticizing Danielle for something that Danielle has nothing to do with.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

And so it's like, you know, Danielle, your dances are really. You gotta be careful. They're starting to look the same. Well, I'm sorry, am I choreographing the dances, too? I wasn't aware that was part of my job description. So I was starting to get pissed where it's like, everybody else gets this, man, you are great, and I love everything you're doing. And then Danielle gets up there and everybody's like, okay, you need to hold your hands like this. And if you do this, you gotta do this. And wow, they're starting to look the same. Wait a second. Why are they treating her so differently? And last night, to me, really bracketed that it seemed like she is being treated differently than basically everybody else on the show.

[Ryder Strong]

I think. Cause I, you know, I think that last week she did a high energy, fun number, and this week she did a high energy, fun number. And I think, like I said, she did not deepen her. Her character in a way. You know, it was like everyone knows her as Topanga and she went back and did that. So I think that's more what as much as, like, I don't think. I don't think the dance looks the same, but I think she's starting to feel the same. Like, I think that it is starting to feel like, what else he got? Let's, you know, Because I think Danielle's been like, I'm going to prove that I can do these technical dances. And I think she's been doing that, and I think now it's time for her to just express herself a little bit more in another aspect. And. And I don't know. So I feel like that's the note behind the note. Do you know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

I mean, I don't disagree, but if we've already established and we're not sure we're right, but we think we are, that they don't pick the dance style they're going to do that week, right Then you. And they're not choreographing right then you can't be like you've done two high energy dances in the row and they kind of look the same. Okay, well, then neither of that neither of those criticisms are on Danielle. If she's not picking the style and she's not choreographing it, then you've got to judge her on actually dancing. And I thought the actual dancing deserved way better than what she got. Should she have gotten nines across the board? No, she was not Dylan. She was not Robert. Of course not. But you cannot tell me that when some people were getting 8, 7, 8, 7, that their dances were that much better than Danielle's.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

It just. It seems like they're praising everybody else and then telling Danielle everything she's done wrong. And that's. That got to me last night because. And again, we're biased. And I'm like, with my best friend, and I don't like that.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

So I know that I. I'm a little aggro when it comes to that stuff, but I really felt it last night, especially when I watched it back.

[Ryder Strong]

All right. She got 7, 7, 7 and an 8.

[Will Friedle]

And did you see. Did you watch her as they're telling her scores? Yeah, it was sad to me because she was, like, trying to hold it together, and I feel like it was a little unfair that night, so.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, well, she gave it her all. She will keep giving it her all. And knowing Danielle, she's gonna take this criticism and come back next week. I mean, luckily, there was no elimination there. Did not get eliminated. So she's got another shot.

[Will Friedle]

Well, now she'll have to choreograph her own dances. Apparently, that's what they're asking for. And just every week as we do, because you know that I have a encyclopedic knowledge of everything dance. This is, of course, Will's history of Dance. This one is sponsored. I told you, I'm doing a new thing where I'm trying to find up and coming companies and try to give them a little bit, you know, extra.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

Has there been a new, like, ballroom style since, like, the 60s? Has anybody. Is there, like, a new.

[Will Friedle]

There's got, well, contemporary pride, but I guess that's not ballroom.

[Ryder Strong]

No, that I'm curious, like, if anybody's inventing a new version of a ballroom dance, like, because I feel like every time you do these histories, it's like, basically kind of stops in the 1930s. Right. That's where the last time people were inventing new ballroom dances.

[Will Friedle]

So there is no single newest ballroom dance, but rather new trends are emerging, most notably fusion dance. That makes sense. Which blends traditional ballroom styles with other genres, like contemporary hip hop.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, that makes sense. All right.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

There's knowledge. All right. Alex and Val, again went contemporary, and I thought this was great. I mean, she's just clearly in that category of, like, Europe. You're a dancer.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

And it's. It's. It's way less. It's way less compelling as a reality. Reality show journey. To watch her dance. It's. It's. It's wonderful to watch her dance. Like, yeah, they're great. Great dance. But, yeah, it's a little hard for me to be invested because I'm like, well, you're just great. You can do this, like.

[Will Friedle]

But yet you were invested in Whitney. So do you think it's just the story that happened this week that made you so invested in that? Because, again, same kind of journey.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. I guess. I guess I feel like I've seen Whitney struggle a little bit more. Maybe that's. Whereas, like, Alex seems like she's been prepping for this.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Ready to go. And it's just like, let me showcase my dancing ability, which is also lovely. It's just. Is it Dancing with the Stars? You know, I'm not. Yeah, you're right. I guess I was a little less invested in the, like, the younger sister storyline, for instance, this week, which was also. It was great. Yeah, no, this was. This was lovely. And I mean, it was nice. Yeah. Fluid.

[Will Friedle]

Very nice dance.

[Ryder Strong]

Gorgeous.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. Very pretty.

[Ryder Strong]

There was this moment during the judging where I think it was. Derek said something about the negativity happening tonight.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

What was that all about?

[Will Friedle]

So there's different rumors. There's rumors online that he was actually. That was a shot across the bow at Carrie Ann for some of the stuff, some of the judging she's been doing.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

There's other rumors that it is about just stuff online about is Dance with the Stars too much professional dancers versus non professional dancers. So that now that I've googled Dancing with the Stars three times, of course it's the only thing that shows up in my algorithm. So there's all, there's all these things, but that's the one I heard this morning, is maybe Derek was taking a shot at Carrie.

[Ryder Strong]

I didn't understand it because I was just like, actually, like, the night, as far as a viewer went, was so emotional and supportive and everybody was crying and hugging each other. I was like, what negativity is he referring to? And then I was wondering if it was something in the room. Like somebody said, I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

I asked Jensen and he was like, I don't know. I guess there's just been stuff in the news or something.

[Producer Tara]

So, yeah, someone who was there. We were all like, what is he talking about? Like, watching in the back, and we're like, what? And then I asked Jensen and he was like, I think he meant this week. Like, just people being negative on social media about other dance, like, you know, the judging and all that. But in the moment, we were all confused too.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Because it really felt like it was like, what are you talking about, dude? Like, this, the night has been probably, for me, some of the best dancing of the whole show.

[Will Friedle]

I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

And. And the most entertaining. And everybody seemed so loving and supportive. Like, it didn't, I don't know, it was, it was a bizarre thing to say. I was like, all we've done is, like, celebrate people's families and partners. And, like, this was awesome. Like, I don't. So I don't know. It was a weird, weird comment that kind of threw me off.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But yes, Alex and Val were great.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

They danced a Coldplay.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, by the way, what did Danielle. Danielle got three sevens and a first eight. We forgot to say that. Which is.

[Ryder Strong]

No, I think I said it, but.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, maybe not, maybe not. First date is, is she was very excited with that. And, and it might not have been. I, I, it was totally deserved to get an eight, by the way. Especially all the other dances.

[Ryder Strong]

I guess when I look at Scott's scores, which were two eights and two sevens, I'm like, danielle could have gotten another eight.

[Will Friedle]

Absolutely. That's what I'm saying is I don't get the scoring.

[Ryder Strong]

The two of them are having sort of equivalent journeys. I think where they're both like trying to prove something. You know, they're both artists who can express themselves in other forms, trying to prove that they can do the dancing thing, you know, the technical parts. And they. Yeah, they're. But I think in their own category.

[Will Friedle]

But I think she's better than he is is as a dancer. I think she's shown more than he is as a dancer. She's more fluid than he is as a dancer and I think overall he has higher scores than her.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

The final three Nines and an eight. Is that right?

[Ryder Strong]

Anyway, very high score. And then we went into the elimination, which was no. 1. Everybody's happy.

[Will Friedle]

Still nerve wracking. Oh, my God. I was watching Danielle, honest, and she was just holding it together. Yeah, well, so, I mean, so nerve wracking.

[Ryder Strong]

It's so obvious that there's like a top five and a bottom five. You know, like, there's no question anymore. Like, we've seen the sort of. So unfortunately, like, it's gonna take somebody sort of breaking out of that lower five to really doing something stand out next week.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

In order to even be in the competition with people like Robert Irwin and Whitney. I mean, these, these people are just.

[Will Friedle]

And Dylan. Yeah, these, they're. They're. They're breaking away from the pack. They're definitely breaking. And again, I do not mind if my best friend is in the bottom if she's treated exactly the same way as everybody else. Right. That's all I care about. Just treat everybody the same. During the show, it just seemed like this episode especially, she was treated differently and I just don't know why that's all it is. That's again, if. If you. It's the. The old equivalent of what your parents used to say to you, I don't care if you get a D. If you really tried your hardest. And it's one of those things where just treat her like everybody else. And I felt like they haven't.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, I wonder how much they know that she's getting a lot of the popular vote potentially.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, maybe.

[Ryder Strong]

And I mean, they're saying that this is the highest voting season of Dancing with Snarks ever. We'll just call that the Topanga effect.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I love it.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, I think that. And I wonder how much that's, you know, influencing their harsher criticism because they're like, well, she could be getting a huge popular vote and therefore they're, you know, trying to balance that out a little bit. I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know. I saw two or three pretty big influencers that always do stuff about Dancing with the Stars, and two of them had Danielle number three as top three. As top three had her. They had. They had Robert number one, Dylan number two, and Danielle number three. Two of them.

[Ryder Strong]

Interesting.

[Will Friedle]

So I'm curious what. Maybe. Maybe the American people are seeing something way different than the judges are. And who knows what's going to happen? Happen.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. All right. You got a question for me?

[Will Friedle]

I do. But first, first, I want to talk to you a little Bit. So we know that we are doing something called the strong incentive, which is, what would it take to get Rider Strong to be a contestant on Dancing with the Stars? We have now offered cash and prizes probably close to the $2 million mark. But one thing you've got to know, Ryder, is that life has consequences. So I'm gonna need you to pick a random number between 1 and 4.

[Ryder Strong]

3.

[Will Friedle]

3. 3. You picked. You have lost the $500,000. It is no longer on the table anymore, my friend. The will giveth and the will taketh away. So, yes, originally, $500,000 showed up to your house and you released the hounds. Then we had a sprinter van, Beautiful Sprinter van, $300,000 value. You said no, and you released the hounds yet again. Then they. Someone found Sean's leather jacket, original leather jacket, and you wavered a bit, but nope, still weren't interested. And then last week, I went for the soft underbelly, which I'm going to do again this week where you had your OG magic card with a black lotus card thrown in. But now, because indifference has consequence, the 500 grand is off the table. So we now have just the jacket, the magic cards with the black lotus, and the sprinter van. This week, somebody shows up at your house with a manila envelope, one of those specialty sealed envelopes that you have to sign for. You grab the pen, you write writer strong, and you quickly cross it out because we know how you like to sign an autograph. You open the pack, you open the little. The little thing, the little manila envelope, and you slide out a paper. You read the paper, and it is a deed.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, no.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

That's a really good one, right? You know why that's a really good one? Because it's not only personal and goes back to, like, my. But I've always loved community and the idea of, like, having a gathering space. And I also love coffee. And I could to provide what I got from that community and that sense of space. And, you know, also, I did open mic there. I have friends who did open mic nights there.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

I mean, what if I say yes? Then? Is the segment over?

[Will Friedle]

I mean, again, would you say yes? Is this what it would take?

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, I really? I've always loved the idea of, like, having, you know, being a part of. But I. Then I think about owning a restaurant. Owning a responsibility comes with all the responsibilities that come with it.

[Will Friedle]

That's true.

[Ryder Strong]

And I lost the $500,000, which could have helped hire those people to help me run it.

[Will Friedle]

Very true.

[Ryder Strong]

And it's not a bookstore. It's just a coffee shop. Oh, God. That's tough, though. That was like. That's like that. God. But could I handle the embarrassment of.

[Will Friedle]

Doing the show with all the social media stuff attached?

[Ryder Strong]

I would. Oh, God, I feel like I would ruin all my, like, integrity in order to be on Dance with the Stars, that I wouldn't be able to have an authentic relationship with Coffee Cats back in Sebastopol. God damn it, Will. I don't know. I'm genuinely torn. How much are the. How much are the magic cards worth? I could sell the magic cards. The magic cards.

[Will Friedle]

Well, I think the. I don't know what your original deck would be worth. There'd probably be some bangers in there. But the Black Lotus, I think the last one sold for 600 grand. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

So I still have some cash.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God. I think I might do it.

[Will Friedle]

Seriously? Did we find it already in week five?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know. I mean, I think if. Could I change it to a bookstore? Could I. Could I make.

[Will Friedle]

No, it's your original coffee. Well, I mean, again, it's yours. You can do whatever you want. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

No, no. If. If.

[Will Friedle]

If I'm gonna say it's original Coffee Cats, it's.

[Ryder Strong]

It has to be Original Coffee Cats. And I can't also make it into, like. But, man, that's close. That's close. I. I honestly, like, I've always thought that, like, oh, it'd be fun to own a place like that, but I talk to anybody who's worked in the restaurant industry, and it sounds like hell.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, including my wife, who spent years in the rest, like, so, yeah, I'm gonna say no. As much as I, I. I want that space back, and I would love to provide a community space, it would. I would rather it be a bookstore that has coffee as opposed to a coffee shop that. That serves food. So I'm gonna say no.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, There you go. Also, keep in mind now, every week that you say no, you're gonna lose something else. That's on.

[Ryder Strong]

That's fair. I think that's fair. I think that keeps it. Keeps it. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

There you go.

[Ryder Strong]

And it's gonna be random. If that stays on, though. Oh, yeah. That's gonna be hard. It's getting hard, man. That's a good one. Good job.

[Will Friedle]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, man. All right, that's it for this episode of Pod Meets Twirled. Join us next week as we continue watching season 34 of Dancing with the Stars. We may not know a quick step from a quick snack, but we know what we learned way back in Feeny's class. Danielle Fischl is the star of the show. Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, Wilfred L And Ryder Strong, executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, executive in charge of production Danielle Romo, producer and editor Tara Sugbash, producer Matty Moore, engineer and boy Meets World Superman Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram oddmeatsworld show or email us at the podbeatsworldshowmail.com introducing the IHOP Value menu where all your breakfast faves are just six bucks. Each and every day.

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