Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5004

Summary

Pod Meets Twirled: Survivor 5004 – Detailed Episode Summary

Podcast: Pod Meets World – Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5004
Hosts: Rider Strong & Will Friedle
Release Date: March 20, 2026
Main Theme:
The hosts, Rider Strong (Survivor superfan) and Will Friedle (relative newbie), break down Episode 4 of "Survivor" Season 50. They discuss the shifting state of reality TV, reflect on the joy and absurdity of Survivor’s format, and provide a highly relatable, comedic, and occasionally tangential dissection of the latest outing, sprinkled with nostalgia, pop culture references, and friendly banter.

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Main Episode Overview

This episode centers on:

• A deep dive into Survivor Season 50, Episode 4
• Reality TV ethics and cultural change
• Detailed recaps of alliances, challenges, and strategic moves
• Reflections on how "meta" these shows have become for fans
• The unique spectacle of a surprise country music guest on Survivor
• The mechanics and drama surrounding immunity idols, vote-offs, and inter-tribal alliances

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter — Reality TV’s Messy Mirror (01:27–07:45)

• Ethical Dilemmas in Reality TV:
  The hosts unpack the sudden cancellation of "The Bachelorette" and discuss how reality TV networks grapple with their stars' real-life "baggage," referencing notorious moments in reality TV history (like the Snooki punch on MTV).

  • "Reality shows that celebrate not great people are not cool." (Rider, 03:08)
  • Schadenfreude and Exploitation: Both hosts admit being uneasy with reality TV's darker sides but acknowledge the genuine strategies and emotional hooks that draw viewers in.

• Personal Reality TV Tastes:
  Will: prefers talent-based shows ("American Idol") and avoids violence
  Rider: loves adventure/survival formats but is uncomfortable with voyeuristic or physically violent content

2. Meta-viewing & Personal Biases (13:30–18:00)

• Both hosts feel they're watching "meta" seasons made for longtime fans, leading to confusion over alliances and longtime cast members.
  • "People that are big. It seems like this season of Survivor is made for people who watch Survivor." (Will, 15:30)
• They reflect on nostalgia’s hold over pop culture and how this mirrors “comfort TV” habits in stressful times.
  • "During times of, like, extreme conflict, historically, people go to fantasy or nostalgia... escapism or what we already know and feel comfortable with." (Rider, 16:51)
• Will coins the term “fanstalgia” (“fantasy + nostalgia”) for their experience.

3. Survivor Recap: Episode 4 Deep Dive

Recap Begins (19:19)

• Opening camp fallout after vote-off:
  Ozzy steps in as a charismatic peacemaker, but Rider points out he's overplaying and putting a target on his back.

• Tribe Swap Reactions:
  Will jokes about comic misunderstandings of a “tribe swap” being about swinging. Both reflect that frequent cast shifts are confusing for new viewers.

• Alliance/Weakness Cycles:
  The perils of tribes voting out physical players early ("Why are we getting rid of the big dude that can help us push stuff? What are you thinking?" – Will, 21:42).

Idol Mechanics & Strategy (24:08–27:43)

• The Billie Eilish/Billy Idol Immunity Idols are confusing for both; discussion about how idols have runes/gimmicks that shift from season to season.
• Genevieve’s clever move: gifts idol to Rizzo, hoping to control alliances post-merge by taking advantage if he is voted out.
  • "It's actually super smart, the smartest way to use the boomerang, which I had not thought that through until she said that." (Rider, 26:23)

Immunity Challenge: Sunken Boat (27:49–33:07)

• The notorious heavy boat challenge returns, leading to humiliation and exhaustion for the weakest tribe, Vatu.
  • Will wishes the show highlighted hunger and actual survival more.
• Humorous aside: The "power of the pants"—Will is wearing “Survivor pants” and jokes about magical strength.
• “We would not do well in Survivor, my friend.” (Rider, 32:25) – hosts recall a failed, exhausting attempt at playing basketball in their twenties.

Reward Segment: The Zac Brown Country Music Guest (35:01–40:02)

• Country star Zac Brown joins as a “reward,” spearfishes, and puts on an extended private concert for the winning tribe.
• Both hosts are puzzled/entertained by the spectacle, noting:
  • The length of the musical segment felt excessive.
  • Admiration for Zac’s tattoos, spearfishing skills, and “bazooka spear.”
• Rider shares a personal story about a nerve-wracking shark encounter while spearfishing—as real as any Survivor drama.

Back at Camp – Idols and Rivalries (40:09–43:21)

• Rizzo brags about his idol but is (hilariously) reminded he did nothing to find it.
• Editors are planting the seeds for a Rizzo vs. Charlie rivalry, hinting at future drama.
• Neither host can keep all the tribe members' names straight due to the sheer number of returning players and confusing edits.

Vatu Tribe – Strategic Overreach and Betrayal (43:22–49:39)

• Mike White tries to save Angelina (his real-life friend) by targeting Emily, but overplays his hand.
  • "You can't get too cocky, man." (Will, 44:45)
  • “At this game, I'm Machiavelli.” – classic Survivor hubris before a blindside.
• Christian recognizes he's being played, pivots, but Emily’s loose lips almost scuttle the secret vote.
• The eventual blindside works: Mike is voted out.

Tribal Council & Reflections (50:32–56:38)

• Vatu (losing tribe) is demoralized; Mike handles his exit with surprising grace.
• Will suggests Survivor should make losses tougher—putting out the tribe’s fire as well as taking their flint.
• Rider contextualizes the game, explaining how losing tribes sometimes house future winners by toughening up survivors.

4. Wildcard Segment: Will's History of People That Survive Stuff and Things (57:09)

• This week’s featured survivor:
  Frane Selak, the Croatian music teacher who survived seven deadly accidents, earning the nickname "the world's luckiest unlucky man."
  • “Despite repeatedly flirting with disaster, Selak always emerged alive.” (Will, 58:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the genre:
  "There's an element … of exploitation and exaggeration and schadenfreude … watching a train wreck can be fun. It's rubbernecking." (Rider, 05:30)

• On Survivor meta-ness:
  "I wish I started Survivor on a season where it's not already about interpersonal relationships that come from other seasons that I'm completely unaware of." (Will, 15:12)

• On alliances and plans:
  "The smartest way to use the [boomerang idol] is to give it to someone you know might get voted out, so it returns to you." (Paraphrased, 26:23)

• On overconfidence:
  "The second he said, in this game, I'm Machiavelli, I knew he was gone." (Will, 44:39)

• On pop culture comfort:
  "There's a comfortability to something we already know. As somebody who deals with anxiety, there's a reason I watch MASH every night when I'm going to bed." (Will, 16:28)

• On failed athleticism:
  "We would not do well in Survivor, my friend. And that was when we were like, 28 … Oh, that's awesome." (Rider, 32:19)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:27 – Show intro; handling the Bachelorette controversy; reality TV ethics
• 13:30 – Reflections on nostalgia, repeating franchises, and Survivor’s meta twist
• 19:19 – Survivor Episode 4 recap begins (camp aftermath, tribe swap)
• 24:08–27:43 – Idol-gifting mechanics and alliance strategies
• 27:49–33:07 – Immunity challenge: Sunken boat ordeal; Survivor athletic fail stories
• 35:01–40:02 – Zac Brown’s musical guest appearance; personal spearfishing stories
• 40:09–43:21 – Idol drama and Rizzo-Charlie rivalry setup
• 43:22–49:39 – Mike White’s hubris, blindsides, and the tribal council vote-off
• 50:32–56:38 – Tribal council; demoralized tribes; loss dynamics on Survivor
• 57:09 – Will’s “Survivor History” segment: Frane Selak, unbreakable man

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Episode Tone & Style

• Playful, irreverent, and nostalgic:
  Banter is thick with inside jokes, pop culture references, and self-deprecation.
• Critical when appropriate:
  Both hosts skewer the meta-ness of this all-star Survivor season and producers’ quirks, but with affection.
• Candid & open:
  Will is repeatedly lost but game; Rider tries to wrangle the chaos while sharing genuine insight into Survivor super-fandom.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Survivor Season 50 is confusing for new viewers due to meta-alliances and returning characters BUT still delivers satisfying strategic twists.
• Reality TV continues to wrestle with ethical dilemmas, audience schadenfreude, and the ever-increasing “meta” layer of nostalgia and self-reference.
• The absurdity of show gimmicks (from pants to idols to country music stars) is as entertaining as the game itself.
• Personalities, not just gameplay, drive the hosts’ connection to Survivor, echoing why nostalgia TV is such a soothing cultural force.

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Summary produced for reference—skip the episode if you’re pressed for time, but expect plenty of tangents, Survivor savvy, skepticism, and sincere friendship.

Transcript

[Rider Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

Welcome to POD meets Twirled, a podcast that once chronicled two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars but watched a season and walked away experts. From there, we ventured into Traitors, a show I'd never seen, but Will swore he could win. And now, Survivor season 50. The big one. And this time, the roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season. The first one, meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Will Friedle, who prefers his wilderness with room service, and Rider Strong, who will hike any mountain. But man, I hate the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization and one who would never leave the woods if he could. Both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances. Blindsides, fire making sand related misery, and 25 years of of television history culminating in a single massive season. This is POD meets Twirled. Seeking immunity. Yeah, it's a lot.

[Will Friedle]

Well, speaking of a lot, it's been quite a day in the reality world, hasn't it, my friend?

[Rider Strong]

It's. Yeah, we should. We should talk about the elephant in the room.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, the piece of.

[Rider Strong]

In the room.

[Will Friedle]

The easiest way to just say it.

[Rider Strong]

We were all set. We had already announced on the Twitters and the Instagrams that we were going to fold, actually double up our reality watching and go right into the Bachelorette because the fans have demanded that we keep watching shows that we know nothing about. Or at least one of us in this case. Neither of us have ever seen a single episode of The Bachelor.

[Will Friedle]

I didn't know anything about the Bachelorette,

[Rider Strong]

and yet they canceled the entire season, thank God. Yeah. And not without, you know, by the time ABC had canceled it, we had already decided to pull our show.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

After much back and forth and hand wringing and concern and not just don't have clarity in these things. Yeah. It's tricky, but it seems like in general, she is not a very good person. And reality shows that celebrate not great people are not cool.

[Will Friedle]

No, I agree. And. And it's.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

It's. Again, this is a world that you and I know very little about reality. And when you get into it, you forget that it's these. They're. There's a reason it's called reality. Whether it's quote unquote, scripted reality or heavily produced reality, these are real people. So real people come with lots of baggage. Some of them, it's a minimal amount of baggage. Some of them, it's a kind of a disgusting amount of baggage. The thing that is starting to come out more and more, though, is what the networks actually know about these people before they still put them on the air.

[Rider Strong]

Or don't know. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Or don't know. But in this case, it seems like ABC knew. Knew quite a bit about this woman before they decided to pull the trigger on what I think is their biggest franchise by far. I think the Bachelor and the Bachelorette is like their flagship show.

[Rider Strong]

Well, I think we've talked about the. You know, the conversation I believe I had with an MTV executive years ago, this guy I used. I used to be friends with, telling me that, like, everything changed for the network when Snooki got punched. That was the turning moment for. That was when MTV became a network that was no longer about music because they were suddenly going to be all about the reality and the drama. And it went, like, so viral back.

[Will Friedle]

Did you watch that?

[Rider Strong]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, see, I knew. I knew it backwards and forwards. I knew that one backwards and forwards.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. The thing about this is, like, for me, this just. And this is something I've wrestled with, you know, even doing these shows, I avoided all reality because I generally thought it was a lot of garbage, you know, and. And I. You know, we've had great interviews with Ben Mendel, Kerr and Chad Koltk really did, you know, sort of champion reality and explain how it's not just trash television, but actually has nuance and strategies. And I've come around to see a lot of that. I really have. Me too. But I think fundamentally, unfortunately, there's still a little bit of exploitation and exaggeration and schadenfreuder.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah.

[Rider Strong]

You know, one of those words that once you learn, you just want to use as many times as possible, but it means, you know, taking pleasure in other people's misery. And I think that there's an element of that that, you know, accompany. It's, you know, watching a train wreck can be fun. It's rubbernecking. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

All the different ways to describe the feeling bad about watching something good and not being able to turn away. And. Yeah, I think that the reality shows that I gravitate towards are the ones that are more game show based on me, too.

[Will Friedle]

Or talent based for me.

[Rider Strong]

Or talent based.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Kind of thing. American Idol, that kind of stuff.

[Rider Strong]

And then even, like, Alone, which is about survival, you know, and Dancing with the Stars.

[Will Friedle]

We had a great time watching Dancing with the Stars.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So. Yeah, no, I get that too. But the Snooki thing, the thing that was really interesting about the Snooki situation was and it showed kind of the direction they were going. The first time they aired it, they blacked out the punch. So you saw the guy turn toward her, the screen went black, and then you saw her on the ground. The next time they aired it, they showed him punching her in the face.

[Rider Strong]

Face. Wow.

[Will Friedle]

So it was. It was really interesting the way they decided to go, like, no, let's just show it. And so they originally didn't. And then they made. Someone made the decision show the actual hit, and then they showed it over and over.

[Rider Strong]

Well, see, that's kind of my problem is that I feel like, you know, it's the frog boiling in the water thing. It's like these little degrees of like, well, what are we going to accept as okay to, like, just stand by and let people do live on television, or not even live, but we're going to edit it and exploit it. And, you know, I feel like, yeah, if you think back to the way the news used to be or even these early reality shows, it was nothing compared to these days, you know, And I think, of course, everything's been accelerated by the Internet, so. Videos, I was going to say, look

[Will Friedle]

at social media now.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, so much violence and flat out watch murder.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, it's just. I know it's really sad. And. And maybe we are getting to a point of, yeah, let's just go back to gladiators. You know, let's go back to people

[Rider Strong]

running each other in the ring.

[Will Friedle]

And it's running, man. And. And they would be UFC is.

[Rider Strong]

Is kind of that. Right? I mean, that. I remember when ufc. I know. I know you're a fan, but I remember when it first came out feeling a little. I mean, I can't watch it. Like, I can't. I can't even really watch regular boxing. I find violence really hard to watch, and I find it, you know, so abhorrent to experience. I've gotten more used to boxing, but I like it better in a fictional context. I like it in a movie. I like it when I'm watching a real fight. I'm usually just like, oh, I look away. And UFC I can't watch because for that reason, it's like.

[Will Friedle]

It's just early ufc especially, was when. Before there were any rules, when. I mean, I started watching at UFC 1, and it was brutal because there were no rules. And it was just. The whole idea was, let's see what happens if you put a boxer against a wrestler. What happens if you put a mix, you know, somebody who does kung fu against somebody who does. You know? So it was that, but it was way too brutal. Then the Fertittas bought it, and Dana White came in, added actual rules, and then now it's to the point where the people train their whole lives in mma, and it's two people that. It becomes like a game of chess when you get two people that are really good at it, right?

[Rider Strong]

Because they're both doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Correct.

[Will Friedle]

And so both straight up mma. It's striking, it's grappling, it's all that kind of stuff. So I've always been a fan of that stuff.

[Rider Strong]

Watching somebody, like, punch somebody else in the face repeatedly is really hard.

[Will Friedle]

Agreed. I get it.

[Rider Strong]

But, you know, at the same time, it's like. And I. This is where the algorithm of the Internet is just so crazy. Like, I definitely have gone through periods where I'm flipping through my Instagram and I realized, like, I've gotten a lot of, like, drunk guy getting kicked off a plane for being racist videos. I'm like, for whatever reason, I lingered too long on two of these, and now it's just. He didn't mean the same thing. You know, it's like, I remember when reels first came out, you could click a button and see, like, your recommended reels.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God.

[Rider Strong]

And Indy and Alex and I were in New York, actually. She was making her movie in New York, and we discovered this, and Alex was clicking on her. She's like, all my reels are, like, really nice hotel rooms, like, beautiful hotel rooms, like Zillow. Porn and then people jumping off of high places. That's what they just kept recommending, like, guys and girls just like, you know, and it was always the same song of, like, you know, somebody. I forget what the song was, but

[Will Friedle]

I believe I can fly. Probably.

[Rider Strong]

It'll come to me. Anyway, she kept. And then we went. Unfortunately, Indy was there to see this. They're like, what's your Instagram reels? Just women bouncing. I'm like, what have I done that? It's just literally women being like, hey. And I'm like, I don't.

[Will Friedle]

Mine would probably be food and random people punch in the face, which is. They've thrown on my. They've thrown it now on my thing where it's just like, hey, I'm on the bus and somebody punches me in the face. That's it. So, yeah, it's. It's strange. I do have a bit of a bone to pick with you though, if I'm honest, since we're talking about elephants in the room. Oh, Notice she had a new partner last week.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I'm hoping that she will come back.

[Will Friedle]

That's. Yeah, that's what I figured.

[Rider Strong]

Maybe really make this a good show seem like.

[Will Friedle]

Seemed like you guys were pretty comfortable.

[Rider Strong]

Guess what, Will? She knew things about Survivor, so it was.

[Will Friedle]

I know things about Survivor.

[Rider Strong]

I think you were magical rewinding somewhere.

[Will Friedle]

No, I was. It was my mom's 85th birthday. I was back in Connecticut. So, yeah, I was traveling that one pass. Yeah, you better. There is something else I'd like to bring up, which I think is pretty important as well. Are you ready?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Are you sure you're ready?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. Oh, you got the pants.

[Will Friedle]

I got the pants, my friend.

[Rider Strong]

I've had so many messages from people who's not on social media. Get him the pants.

[Will Friedle]

I got him. I am wearing my Survivor pants as we speak now.

[Rider Strong]

You just got to get Jonathan's body.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Rider Strong]

Steroids.

[Will Friedle]

Yikes. He's a giant. It's like, seriously, there's fables written, not stories. Fables written about that.

[Rider Strong]

Like a he man figure.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Like, he looks exactly like the he man figures.

[Will Friedle]

He does. He does. He's like, he's man at arms. Like, his head should spin around because

[Rider Strong]

they all had the same body back in the day, the Heman figures. And they weren't like body like bodybuilders have gotten even crazier. But he man was just like those perfect alpha body. And that's exactly what he is.

[Will Friedle]

Every time.

[Rider Strong]

I'm like, well, Jesus Christ. Look at that guy.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, seriously, he is. And. And all of his clothes look like they're made by fishermen in a small village. And so I was able to find the. The pants. And I'm wearing my survivor pants.

[Rider Strong]

So now this is the. This is the. This is the booty.

[Will Friedle]

The new. The new trader's cloak I have got. I will say they're comfortable as hell. These things are amazing. So this and a pair of crocs. I'm a happy survivor guy.

[Rider Strong]

All right, so I'm assuming you watched episode three.

[Will Friedle]

I watched all of. I'm completely caught up. Still don't get it, but completely caught up.

[Rider Strong]

I don't know if you listened to me and Sophie, but we had a really conversation.

[Will Friedle]

It was. It was painful, and it hurt, and I don't want to. I don't want to know anything about it. I know she said she didn't eat for, like, 11 days.

[Rider Strong]

11 days, no eating. She was funny because that. I had some questions that we had brought up ahead of time or that we'd already talked about that I was able to ask her. Can't remember any of them, so I won't. But then I had questions that came up to me, like, while we were doing. Usually listen to it. You should listen to. I don't want to repeat, but I would say. I will say that the one thing I definitely want to talk to you about is. Finally, we have seen a chink in Jeff Pro's armor, which is his rapping ability.

[Will Friedle]

He. He. He doesn't, as the kids would say, necessarily have the flow, but, hey, that's

[Rider Strong]

the equivalent of me rapping. It would have been between last week's Jeff rapping and now a country singer who I've never heard of taking half of our episode. I was like, I don't know what's. I mean, no. The country music guy. Never heard of. Sorry, everybody. I am.

[Will Friedle]

I had neither.

[Rider Strong]

I have Mike Pop, culturally disabled.

[Will Friedle]

Me too. You knew who he was. Sue obviously knew exactly who was culturally

[Rider Strong]

disabled, but I very specifically, really don't know anything about hip hop or country music. They're just two eras.

[Will Friedle]

I know more about hip hop than I do country music.

[Rider Strong]

Yes. But I know nothing. So. Yeah. So this week. Yeah. So between the last two weeks, musically, I feel very out of touch.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

But I feel like Jeff really shouldn't have. Shouldn't, should have.

[Will Friedle]

That was a rough.

[Rider Strong]

And Sophie was like, I think he might have recommended. He might have suggested doing.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God. Yeah. No. So, yeah. What rhymes with don't Rap anymore. Jeff Post is what I would. I would kick this afloat. Yeah. I'm gonna be totally honest with you.

[Martha Stewart]

I still can't get into it.

[Will Friedle]

I just.

[Rider Strong]

Wait, the show.

[Will Friedle]

The show. I don't get it.

[Rider Strong]

Are you kidding me? No. I thought this was. Because I thought this was one of the best episodes. It's.

[Martha Stewart]

It's.

[Will Friedle]

This is literally just a bunch of people sitting around all episode talking about who they're going to vote off. That's the whole show. And then occasionally they go out and they. Well, yeah, then they. Then they go out and they do a weird physical challenge, and then they sit back in again in the woods and talk about who they're going to kick off.

[Rider Strong]

That's it. How is it?

[Will Friedle]

It's Big Brother Justin. It's just Big Brother just in the woods.

[Rider Strong]

That's. How is it different than Traitors?

[Will Friedle]

Because Traders is like, there's a pageantry to traitors, and it's. There's that, you know, this ridiculous kind of characters and the big costumes and all stuff. This is literally just sitting around going, hey, should we vote out this person? No, we should vote out that person. Well, what about this? Well, I want. I don't want to be with them. I can't believe they said they were going to vote me out.

[Rider Strong]

And I'm just like, they are spear fishing, but that's okay.

[Will Friedle]

Show me that. The idea that she said, I haven't eaten in 11 days. Show me that. You guys can't get food.

[Rider Strong]

Show me all that stuff. We talked about this. Day one.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Could not be more. I think these episodes should be more about, like, the surviving. Right. Or even this silliness. Like, when they did the talent show, I was like, I want to see more of that, you know, like, yes, that's. Yes. Like, I want the. Like, what's it like to be bored? You know? Yeah. Days in and all you have is. Yeah. But I agree. They get into the strategy. They get it. And partly, you know, I think maybe as the show goes on, because there'll be less characters, you might get a little more into it, like.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

Because you get more attached to people. Right now it really is a little hard to be like, wait, Stephanie.

[Will Friedle]

Right. And I'm learning the people's names when they're kicked off. I'm like, oh, that was cute.

[Rider Strong]

I know. That's like, that's.

[Will Friedle]

That's how I. And I think thinking about you as I'm watching this, because what you said about Traders, where you were like, I kind of Wish I started with just regular people. Yeah, I wish I started Survivor on a season where it's not already about interpersonal relationships that come from other seasons that I'm completely unaware of.

[Rider Strong]

I agree.

[Will Friedle]

So I know people are watching this. People that are big. It seems like this season of Survivor is made for people who watch Survivor.

[Rider Strong]

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's like a culmination of all the years then. But, yeah, I agree. Like, we. We kind of screwed ourselves with Traitors and Survivor, they're both meta, you know, they're both like, in these sort of meta season moments.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And I. I agree. I don't. I don't love it. I mean, I like this one because I have my favorite people that I like watching and, you know, but that's. That's my thing. Like, I. I agree, man. Like, I think the joy of Survivor has. Has just adjusted, and it's interesting to think about how that's happening overall, culturally. Do you know what I mean? Like, even our politicians are usually people we've already seen before.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

It's like we're in this echo chamber of, like, you know, we only nominate or want to see people that have already done other things before. It's a weird, like, repetitive moment. Look at what we do for a living. We're going back and watching our show

[Will Friedle]

from 30 years ago because there's a comfortability to something we already know. And as somebody who deals with anxiety, there's a reason I watch MASH every night when I'm going to bed, or people who are anxious, people watching things over and over because it's no surprises, you know, what to expect. Go in with that.

[Rider Strong]

So I was, Yes, I was interviewed about my other podcast, the Red Weather. Please go listen to it now. If anybody's interested.

[Will Friedle]

I'm right as strong.

[Rider Strong]

Actually, I was being interviewed about it by this cultural critic who goes by pop smart media, Dr. Shannon. She's amazing. And she. She brought up the fact that during times of, like, extreme conflict, historically, people go to fantasy or nostalgia, and it's so true. It's like fantasy or nostalgia. It's like escapism or what we already know and feel comfortable with. And I think that. I think that we are definitely in that moment kind of overall for maybe the last, like, 10, 15 years. Culturally, we just seem to be going further and further. Like, you don't see much new stuff, you know, that's why I loved to see, like, a movie like Sinners, which, you know, take it or leave it. What's great is it's Original.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

You know, like, I just. The chance that a studio will give a director an original movie and especially a new director that isn't somebody from the 90s like Paul Thomas Anderson.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

I love. But like, a new director. Like, when was the last time we saw it? All right, we're getting off on a tangent. Let's.

[Will Friedle]

By the way, you just. You just. But you just put a new word into my head because you know that I'm writing a book and it's nostalgia and fantasy. I love. It's gotta be called fanstalgia.

[Rider Strong]

Fanstalgia. Fanstalgia's brilliant. I don't know. That really sounds like a disease that you get cured by gargling salt water

[Will Friedle]

if you have fans.

[Rider Strong]

I had fanstalgia, but then I found some baking powder on it.

[Will Friedle]

And first of all, baking powder does everything. I don't like that little. That fake little product that does everything.

[Rider Strong]

How about no, no.

[Will Friedle]

Antece. No.

[Rider Strong]

See, it doesn't work.

[Will Friedle]

We'll figure it out. I'll figure it

[Rider Strong]

foreign.

[Martha Stewart]

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[Rider Strong]

Let's do Survivor. Let's do Survivor. Episode 4Q has been voted out. Stephanie is very sad about it.

[Will Friedle]

Stephanie with, like an E in the wrong place. And there's a Y in there for some reason.

[Rider Strong]

Christian without his H really throws me.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, all of it's very sad.

[Rider Strong]

Like you should be Christian or something. I just don't want to say it.

[Will Friedle]

Agreed. Agreed.

[Rider Strong]

These are the important observations that you can only get here, people. This is what you come to podbeast world.

[Will Friedle]

No idea what the show's about, but spell your name.

[Rider Strong]

So lamely said Ryder Strong.

[Will Friedle]

Shut up.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Ryder Strong and will Friedel not R

[Rider Strong]

Y D E R. He's gotta make it harder for everybody.

[Will Friedle]

I love it.

[Rider Strong]

All right, so what was interesting about this moment coming back to camp is how because, you know, there's always, like, they have to face who they blindsided because usually there's one person or two people who didn't know the way the vote was. Gonna go. So there's always this moment, and I thought it's so interesting that Ozzy, like, immediately becomes, like, coach. Like, I don't mean, like the character, but like a camp counselor, like, talking to everybody and like, okay, so we had to do that. And he kind of made. Which is like, such a. He has that charisma. But, like, dude, don't take credit for this.

[Will Friedle]

No, I agree.

[Rider Strong]

You know, he does. He does this kind of stuff all the time. You're like, you're being a good guy, but you're actually putting yourself in a vulnerable position. Like, yeah, he should have just let somebody else take the fall for that and, you know, anyway. But he immediately is like, I want to get Angelina out because I want to become Mike's number one.

[Will Friedle]

So last week was the tribe swap, which, frankly, when I tuned in, I thought it was going to be a much more entertaining episode. It was not what I thought it was going to.

[Rider Strong]

To be.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I figured it's just gonna be lots of sex in between the different tribes, and that's not what happened. So that was not what a tribe

[Rider Strong]

swap I thought was swinging.

[Will Friedle]

That's okay.

[Rider Strong]

That's why I was like, ooh, tribe swap.

[Will Friedle]

We're finally getting there on Survivor. And then, no, they just. They just put on different color headbands. Like, oh, man, that sucks.

[Rider Strong]

But it. You saw how it kind of resets the show and sends everybody.

[Will Friedle]

And that's a normal thing. Every year they do a tribe swap.

[Rider Strong]

No, not every year. And in fact, they did it so early this year, it was just like, oh. And yeah, unfortunately, it's. It's. It's not boded well for. For Vatu because keep losing, which is that thing that happens, man, is getting weaker, getting weaker. And, you know, I think we saw at this episode when you vote. Vote out your physical players.

[Will Friedle]

I didn't get that. I mean, I guess what they're saying

[Rider Strong]

exactly what Ozzy said.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Like.

[Will Friedle]

Like, why are we getting rid of the. The big dude that can help us push stuff? What are you thinking?

[Rider Strong]

I know. And you saw it immediately in this challenge. It's just.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And I'm surprised they didn't say anything about it. Like, none of them brought it up. I guess they just know that's on them.

[Will Friedle]

Right. But, like, it would be. And I told you so to themselves.

[Rider Strong]

I told you so.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Ozzy could have gone along because.

[Will Friedle]

No, I agree. I agree. It's like how, you know, you. It's what the. What Ben told us about Traders was it Ben or Chad, where it's like, keep. Keep the person you know who's a traitor there the whole time until the end and then vote them out where it's like, yeah, keep the people that are going to help you with the heavy shit. Keep them there for a while.

[Rider Strong]

Yes. But over at the other tribe, you also want to keep your talented talent show people.

[Martha Stewart]

Ooh.

[Rider Strong]

Ooh.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

[Rider Strong]

Okay, what's. What's the number one rule about when you know your impression is horrible?

[Will Friedle]

Don't do it when you have to

[Rider Strong]

say who you're doing exactly. Like, you can't just be Mickey mouse. You just say, I can't do it. You can do it. Oh, yeah. No, there's Mickey. See, Mickey's up here. So you have to get hi, I'm Mickey mouse. If you have to say, oh, boy,

[Will Friedle]

yes, I'm Mickey mouse. Don't you get it?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Hey, it's me. Look at goofy and Pluto. They're my dogs and stuff. It's Mickey.

[Rider Strong]

You're like, yeah, you. You talking to me?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Are you talking to me? Roberto Robert de niro.

[Will Friedle]

I'm funny how? I'm funny how? Like Joe pesci.

[Rider Strong]

I'm funny how? Funny how. It's so true. Yeah. No. Number one rule of impressions, if you gotta say the name, it's not good. Doing it good.

[Will Friedle]

Not good.

[Rider Strong]

And so I would have given it to the wrestlers because I thought that was cool. I thought that was fun.

[Will Friedle]

That looked great. Yeah. The fake punching and all that stuff was great.

[Rider Strong]

Meanwhile, over at kylo, coach is getting his hair braided.

[Will Friedle]

It's a beautiful braid. She was like, I'm good. I'm good at br. Whoever that person was was like, man, I'm really good at braiding. That's what happened.

[Rider Strong]

Was it jet? I don't even know who it was. I don'. Know. I don't know any characters. We'll get there.

[Will Friedle]

We'll get there. And now. And it's like, right when I start to learn somebody's name, they switch the tribes. And now it's like, okay, I know. I'm gonna wait till the last three.

[Rider Strong]

They are really not re emphasizing their characters because they assume that you've seen them. Right. It's a hard season, dude.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. You came in on a tough season.

[Will Friedle]

I get it. I get it.

[Rider Strong]

Aubrey is the one that's the outcast, the sort of nerdy girl who's, like, worried and so and she's looking for idols when Genevieve is suddenly calling out for and she's like, My God. Leave me alone.

[Will Friedle]

But she has a Billy idol.

[Rider Strong]

Aubrey does that. She was gifted. Yes.

[Will Friedle]

And nobody's called it Billy idol yet. How is that possible in four episodes? Nobody's called it Billy idol yet. How?

[Rider Strong]

No one has your brain? No. I probably wouldn't have thought of it.

[Will Friedle]

So sad. So sad. This generation.

[Rider Strong]

Genevieve then goes and finds another Billie Eilish idol, which I can't even keep track of these anymore. Is this now I thought.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, so question. Are there. Are all these idols going to be Billy idols or do you get different types of idols?

[Rider Strong]

I don't know, man. I thought maybe this would finally just be a regular idol, but it was a Billie Eilish idol, so I guess maybe that's just the way the season's going to work.

[Will Friedle]

On different seasons, though, do different idols do different things?

[Rider Strong]

Yes. Okay. They always have a type of idol and I think it. The question for me is. I don't. I can't answer is are they only one type of idol for the whole season?

[Will Friedle]

Right. Yeah. Who knows?

[Rider Strong]

I'm not sure. I. I feel like there have been different types of idols, but there's also just been times where they don't even find an idol. They only find a clue and then that clue becomes an advantage and then manage might lead them to an idol.

[Will Friedle]

That's cool.

[Rider Strong]

I like that. Oh, there's tons of dude they've had to, like, dig up. Like, they've had to, like, in your. In like. Like, some of the funnest is when it's like a treasure hunt. So it'll be like.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

If in your main camp something is hidden but you only can see it if you, you know, go here and then they were like, in front of everybody having to, like, dig something up. Stuff like that. I love that stuff.

[Will Friedle]

I love that.

[Rider Strong]

Murder in plain sight on Traders. It's like that they have to find the Nidol. I love it. And that's, like super.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's like national treasure kind of stuff. You gotta wait till the thing comes

[Rider Strong]

here right underneath where everyone's getting their water. So you have to, like, come back for it later or. Yeah, it's super cool. Yeah, I like that. And so this. I was a little. Honestly just disappointed to see the Billie Eilish idol comebacks, but maybe. But I will say the way she played it is super interesting. Did you. Did you capture her whole strategy with this?

[Will Friedle]

What do you mean?

[Rider Strong]

Well, so she's going to give it to Rizzo.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

So that then when they can come back together, she can tell him, I gave that to you. We're in an alliance together because I gave that to you.

[Will Friedle]

But then boot them out so she gets the idol. Super smart.

[Rider Strong]

It's actually super smartest way to use the boomerang, which I had not thought that through until she said that. I was like, oh, that's the smartest thing to do. It's. It's.

[Will Friedle]

But I thought you had to give it to somebody in a different tribe.

[Rider Strong]

But she knows that she's gonna then play him later.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, so that's right. Because it says something like it. It doesn't. It's not active until there's like five people left.

[Rider Strong]

No, no.

[Will Friedle]

Or something like that.

[Rider Strong]

There was something like five people left.

[Will Friedle]

Is that what it is?

[Rider Strong]

At some point they're gonna merge all the tribes. Okay. So if he makes it to the end, he could still have the idol with her.

[Will Friedle]

Gotcha.

[Rider Strong]

She already has an idol. Right? Because she has one that somebody. Oh, no, she found another one. She gifted it to Ozzy.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, right.

[Rider Strong]

She gave it to Ozzy.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

So she's going to come together and be like, ozzy, I gave you yours. Rizzo, I gave you yours. And she knows she can turn on. On Rizzo and get it for herself.

[Will Friedle]

And I think the other thing is, because it looks like there's clearly a disconnect between Rizzo and the other dude, the other young guy.

[Rider Strong]

Charlie.

[Will Friedle]

Charlie. And so I think one of the other things with the Billy idol is if you're voted out and it's still in your pocket, it reverts back to the person that found it. So you can do it again.

[Rider Strong]

That's what. No, she's gonna be doing it.

[Will Friedle]

But she doesn't even have to vote him out. Like, his.

[Rider Strong]

His own tribe might vote him out in. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Right. And then if he doesn't play it, then. Then she gets it back. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So it's weirdly you want to pick somebody who's targeted. That's why Aubrey was a good choice for the other, you know, other players. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Smart.

[Rider Strong]

All right, then we go to this immunity challenge. And the second I saw this thing because they have done this in the past, I was like, oh, God. Because this is one of the hardest immunity challenges.

[Will Friedle]

Like the sunken boat.

[Rider Strong]

The boat is so heavy. You crazy. Just like. And that's why I was immediately like, they're going to regret. Regret voting. Not having Q Y. Sucks, man. Yep. Every time they've had this, it's like. Or maybe they've only had it once. But I remember it for being just like the most grueling, horrible, horrible challenge to watch.

[Will Friedle]

But this is something like, this becomes more effective as a viewer. If I know how hungry they are at this point.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

If I understand that they've been, my God, I didn't eat today. We've had nothing. I had a handful of rice and now I have to push a boat. Then I get it more because I'm sitting there as a viewer who doesn't know how hungry they are because they're not playing any of this stuff. I'm just supposed to assume. And I'm like, well, why is that one team not able to push the boat at all?

[Rider Strong]

Why can that, you know, the other. Well, Jeff says it. He keeps saying, like, after not eating. No, during the. Yeah, but during. He was also like. But also, like watching how happy they are to eat food when they get.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. That's what I mean. It means so much more if they play into the hunger and there's no food. And my God, I think there's an

[Rider Strong]

assumption that you've seen enough Survivor to know.

[Will Friedle]

I know going on, which is a shame. And I didn't. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So we get this whole guessing game of what the special guest who's coming to the island is. Is this normal?

[Will Friedle]

Do they normally bring people on the island?

[Rider Strong]

Nope.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

Nope. Never seen this before.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

And, you know, I thought it was cool, but it went on a long time.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, this was like 25 minutes of the episode was like this special, which. Okay. Like, I don't. I have no reason. Seems like a great guy. But I did not need to see a commercial of free or like a music video of him spearfishing and then playing like three songs. Does he play three songs?

[Will Friedle]

I think so. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I was just definitely like, all right. And they're good songs. Like, I was like, yeah, I should check out his music.

[Will Friedle]

But those are also incredibly long fins. Did you notice how long his fins

[Rider Strong]

were when he got on the ocean Spear. He went spearfishing with a bazooka. He did. I mean, nine foot fins.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

We're getting ahead of ourselves.

[Will Friedle]

All right. Sorry.

[Rider Strong]

You're right. Your reward is that this guy's going to catch you fish and play music. And at this point, I was like, oh, they're going to catch the fish for him and say he caught it. Which I was glad to see wasn't the case.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I was impressed that the show didn't just manipulate us. It actually showed him fishing. All right, so then Cerise sits out Genevieve sits out. It's a little moment. I don't know when Genevieve gets to be the one that sits out where I thought maybe Aubrey was a little pissed. She, like, turned her head just like. It was like the quickest thing. I didn't go back. But if any of our listeners thought the same thing, because, you know, obviously the Genevieve. Aubrey. There's a rivalry.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

They're really, really leaning into here. And then they start the thing. Ozzy, last one in the water, first one to the platform. Because he is. He's a superman.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, He's a dolphin.

[Rider Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Then they have to untie these buckets with the knots. I'm telling you, knots are climbing.

[Will Friedle]

Knots are climbing things to untie things. That's all I would do to study. I would just climb something and untie something. Climb something and untie something.

[Rider Strong]

Swim, untie, and then.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, and climb something. Yep, exactly. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. And then just pushing these. These boats like, it's just looks so hard. So miserable.

[Will Friedle]

Sunken boats.

[Rider Strong]

Unless you're Jonathan who flipped the thing over by himself. The thing over by himself after dumping it with. I mean, just now.

[Will Friedle]

What do you think the chances are that a good portion of his power and strength comes from his pants, which I now have.

[Rider Strong]

We'll see. You think next week you'll be, like, pushing shipwrecks out.

[Will Friedle]

I'm wondering if, like, is it become. Is there a superhuman power in the pat.

[Rider Strong]

Damn pants. This hair. It's gonna be. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

I'm just wondering. I might be very much stronger than you. Coming soon. Because of the pants is all I'm saying.

[Rider Strong]

Can't wait. I can't wait. Let's have a challenge, my friend.

[Will Friedle]

Let's have a challenge. Let's flip over a boat, untie some shit.

[Rider Strong]

Do you remember the one time we tried to play basketball?

[Will Friedle]

No.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, besides on Boy Meets World, which we did with the home improvement kids.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

You and our brothers, your brother Greg and my brother Shiloh try to play basketball in West Hollywood. You don't remember this? Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

I blocked this out.

[Rider Strong]

When our brothers were living together in West Hollywood. Hollywood. We were like, we should. We should play some basketball. We're like, yeah, we lasted 15 minutes. I think I just remember you. Red face, sweating me, unable to breathe and just be like, all right, we're done. Go smoke.

[Will Friedle]

I probably had to see. I probably had to stop to smoke a cigarette.

[Rider Strong]

We would not do well in Survivor, my friend.

[Will Friedle]

No.

[Rider Strong]

And that was when we were like, 28. I want to say. Not even, like I was probably even younger. Oh, that's awesome. Oh.

[Will Friedle]

So I'm glad I blank. I blanked that out. Oh, my God. Hey, I'm in shape. Rounds of shape. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

All right. So Callow wins.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Silas and second. And Vatu is just destroyed yet again. And they are so exhausted and defeated. Just watching them crawl out of the night was, like, the saddest thing in the world.

[Will Friedle]

Well, that was the thing. They finished. One team was done already back at their camp listening to music. The other team was done, had built a sandcastle, was all having fun. The third team was still in the net, like you. They cut to it, and it was like, my God, they're still in the net. I felt so bad.

[Rider Strong]

I know. Horrible and horrible. Mike. Mike White just. Just. He aged about 15 years in the course of this episode. He did, like, Jeff calls him out at a Terry tribal. It's like, yeah, you.

[Will Friedle]

You.

[Rider Strong]

He gets this, like, faraway look in his eyes where he's just like, you're out of it, dude.

[Will Friedle]

Like, looking a little rough there, bro. Yeah, it was. It was. Yeah, it was just white. I also love it. It's really that I noticed that in this episode only once or twice. They call him Mike. They always call him Mike White. They always called him Mike White the whole time. Yeah, really weird.

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[Rider Strong]

So at the sanctuary, which is. This is where they get to go for their rewards if they get food. And it's just heaven on earth for everybody. Cause, like, you see them, they're just like, beer, chips.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God. Also, though, one of the things sue and I were talking about was a. You're in the sun a whole lot with no calories in you. You start drinking, you're going to get hammered.

[Rider Strong]

I know. I would never do that. I would never know. And be wasted.

[Will Friedle]

You're going to eat too much, and there's a good chance you're also going to have some serious gastrointestinal problems.

[Rider Strong]

And that's happened. I've. Yeah, they've. They've shown people, like, throwing up or. How could you not?

[Will Friedle]

Because you go from nothing to essentially gorging.

[Rider Strong]

You got to take it easy. You got to take it easy.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was.

[Rider Strong]

But this is why I would starve myself before ever going out there.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Like, I would. Like, I would be on. I would be fasting and working out, like, for weeks just to build your. Your body. Like, get your body used to that, because.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, the Survivor diet. We should survive.

[Rider Strong]

All right. Then it becomes this commercial for Zach Brown's awesomeness. Watching him jump into the water with this, like, bazooka spear that I was just like, what? Have you ever been spearfishing?

[Will Friedle]

I have not.

[Rider Strong]

Okay, I've been spearfishing. But you do it like. Like, Ozzy does it with, like, a sling, which is, like, a stretchy and, like, one little. And you just let it go. Like, it almost, like, looks like an automatic rifle that it did reload. It's going.

[Will Friedle]

Was nuts.

[Rider Strong]

But then he catches a fish that is bigger than anything. I. Yeah. To. To tuna. Oh, my God. It was sick. That was insane.

[Will Friedle]

And how he's talking about how he's like, you got to get it in because the sharks are coming. He's like, oh, my God, that's crazy.

[Rider Strong]

But it also happened to me.

[Will Friedle]

Did you notice, though, that it looked like every single one of his tattoos he had done yesterday?

[Rider Strong]

No. Why?

[Will Friedle]

Like, they were all bright and, like, I have tattoos, and there's some. I forget I have. And I look at him like, oh, my God, I can't believe you can even still see the ink. His. They look like he was just kind of. Yes. Like, every six months, he go get them redone because they.

[Rider Strong]

They clearly wanted to make Zac Brown look awesome, so they might have just given him a little color corrective.

[Will Friedle]

He looks pretty awesome, though.

[Rider Strong]

He looks awesome.

[Will Friedle]

He looked pretty awesome. Yeah, I was doing.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, dude. The one shark encounter I've ever had was spearfishing. And that's exactly what your.

[Will Friedle]

It ate your fish.

[Rider Strong]

Well, here's the thing. I was going with my buddy, who's, like, a big Spear Fisher, he got a fish in the Bahamas.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

And he, you know, I did two trips with him and I only ever got a lobster because I can't hit my aim.

[Will Friedle]

Lobster that just sits there.

[Rider Strong]

No, it's.

[Will Friedle]

You walk up and just knock it on the head.

[Rider Strong]

No, they're in the. They're under. Like you have to find them under rocks. Like in the core. Like you have to find them low under. So I found them in a little thing. But he's not moving.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So that was my big spearfishing moment. Catching. I think I got two lobster. But he got a. You know, and it was so funny because like before we went, he's like, stay calm. If we see sharks, it's not that big of a deal, you know, whatever. And I was like, okay, okay. So, you know, I'm terrified of sharks, of course. And then we get in the water and he, he got a fish. So he's got a fish in the end of nothing. Like the size of.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

Zach Brown's like a regular sized little fish. It's like cool. We're going to get sushi. Like, you know, if we get four more of these, we have a meal. And then I see a shark and it's, you know, not huge, but it's still a shark.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

And it's shark swimming towards us.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God.

[Rider Strong]

And my buddy like pops up out of the water and where he's up about it. And I pop up and he's talking to me. I forget what he was saying and I'm just like trying to stay calm. My heart's racing. I know the shark is coming towards us under the water. And I'm like, hey. So. Okay. And I don't want to interrupt him, but I'm like, did you.

[Will Friedle]

You saw the, you saw the shark, right?

[Rider Strong]

And he's like, what? And he looks down and the shark is like coming right out because he's a bleeding fish. So then he, the shark comes right under me. He like dives away and has to give. Give the shark the fish because the

[Will Friedle]

shark was like, actually was coming. Yeah, yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, and he, you know, he was bleeding down his hand from the spear, so he just like turned it over and like pushed the fish off and let the. Let the shark get the fish. And then he was like, well, Ryder, you were a little too calm. You told me to be calm. You told me to be cool. I was trying to the cool Wilder. This dude was fine with the freaking shark.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, thank you. You were cool. No, it'll be Nobu for me? Thank you very much. No, thank you.

[Rider Strong]

It was pretty cool, though. We were literally sushi every night. Like, we would catch fish and then just have sushi. It was delicious. Oh, so much fun. Anyway, not as good as Zach Brown.

[Will Friedle]

No. That guy's a monster. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And then, you know, they have this incredible meal after he, like, carves it up for them. And then they get a private concert, which reminded me of Boy Meets World, where I was awkwardly staring at the Nobody's Angels performing with my face. They had a much better concert that they were clearly actually into.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, they were into.

[Rider Strong]

But you're like, oh, what would I have been like? Let me do it. I would have actually been into. I like, I love his voice.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, he's confident. Not into country music, but I will certainly listen to him. He seems like he's a good guy. He seemed like he was a big fan. The man's got phenomenal fins. So. Yeah, this was. I'm.

[Rider Strong]

I'm a fan. I'll check it out. All right. Over at Sila D Was crying. She's a big Zach Brown fan.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, that's the crying Zach Brown lady. Okay.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. And then Rizzo gets his. His idol that he's been gifted from

[Will Friedle]

the Billy Idol and thinks he is the best.

[Rider Strong]

He's like, I've done this every season. Like, dude, you play two.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. And somebody also gave this to you. You didn't find anything? Someone handed it to you.

[Rider Strong]

I'm one of the better players to ever play this game. And I'm like, you are so 25 right now. I know, man. I do like him. And. And Sophie, who was on with me last week, said she. They're like, best friends.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

She's. She was so cool, and she's like, he's a genuinely great guy. I believe her. I believe that he is a good guy.

[Will Friedle]

I'd ask that you not mention her anymore.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. Let's not bring her up. Okay.

[Rider Strong]

My new co host.

[Will Friedle]

Hey.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, Sophie.

[Will Friedle]

So painful.

[Rider Strong]

She was actually probably really upset that you weren't here. We'll just have her back on, huh?

[Will Friedle]

I wore new pants for you to try to get it. To get us back into a relationship. I've got. So I've got some things to say

[Rider Strong]

to her performance as we go on, and especially the fact that she brought. He brought her up in the episode that we were. That she was on. To recap with me, I have a feeling like Rizzo is going to. You know, there's going to be some drama later on that we Would love to have her weigh in on.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, question is, is Survivor like it seems like in Traders when somebody mentions your name, your. Your moments up like you're. The countdown has started for you being kicked off. Is it kind of the same on Survivor? Because now his. That Charlie or whatever his name is now he's like, I'm getting this dude off. Is that usually the start of, like, we're going to get somebody off?

[Rider Strong]

Yes, but that's also editing, right? Like, they could Bringing up people constantly and just not showing.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that's true, too.

[Rider Strong]

But they've clearly planted the seeds for a rivalry here because they reiterated that this episode and it has nothing to do with this episode. So when you see that kind of editing where they brought it back up, played it out, I bet you next episode that rivalry is going to really come or four episodes down the line, right? They are. They clearly plant these seeds for the whole season.

[Will Friedle]

Makes sense.

[Rider Strong]

Makes sense, you know? Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Makes sense.

[Rider Strong]

But I would love to be. You know, I'd love to experience what. What. How many times they do have these conversations that go nowhere.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And therefore don't get. You know, like, we talked.

[Will Friedle]

I wonder the amount of footage they're throwing out where it's just like, oh,

[Rider Strong]

they're on the beach all day every day.

[Will Friedle]

You could do 15 episodes a week of the same. The same day if you wanted to

[Rider Strong]

cruise with them at night. Because there have been episodes where in the middle of the night, people sneak out to go do something like bury an idol, get a. Get a buried idol, or to meet rendezvous with another person in the middle of the night. And the camera crews are there, so they have. There's people always on the beach filming them, constantly ready to go.

[Will Friedle]

They ever give any kind of logistics of how close you are to another camp? I mean, are they, like, walking distance from.

[Rider Strong]

From each other? I would have loved to ask Sophie. I mean, no, because they always have

[Will Friedle]

to take boats, Right.

[Rider Strong]

They always show up in boats. So you never see people, like, walk to another camp.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. You wonder how. I wonder how close they are to each other.

[Rider Strong]

In actuality, I do, too. That's a good question. All right. Over at Vaatu, I thought it was interesting how positive they were all being, considering, you know, we went from Sila where D's like, crying like, you guys got immunity. And then we go to Vaatu, and they're like, all right, team, we did. We didn't win, but we did okay. We did all right. Like, what?

[Will Friedle]

Really?

[Rider Strong]

I guess they, you know, they Say it right away is that they were already kind of planning to go for Angelina, which is Mike, Ozzy, and Christian's plan.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

Which.

[Will Friedle]

Which one's Angelina?

[Rider Strong]

The one who stayed despite being the one that they said they were going to vote up.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, big, curly brown hair.

[Rider Strong]

So Angelina is like Mike's sidekick because they were on a season together. And then she's the one that I think was on White Lotus as, like, a. Had, like, a one line.

[Will Friedle]

Wait, that's her. That's her.

[Rider Strong]

I think that's Angelina. So that's what Mike when he.

[Will Friedle]

The other one is the big curly hair.

[Rider Strong]

The other one is the big curly hair. When Mike, he spends this entire rest of this episode trying to save Angelina, and he even has to admit it's not because she's a good player. He's doing it because they're friends in real life. They were on their previous season, so he just kind of doesn't want her to get kicked off. Turns out to be a really bad move.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So Mike decides to start targeting Emily to kind of get everybody off of Angelina. And he has this great line where I was like, oh, this guy's clearly a writer, where he says, you know, she's a cougar in the shape of a ren faire girl.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Awesome. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

But then we'll come back later because he has some not so great lines coming up.

[Will Friedle]

The second he said, it's at this game, I'm Machiavelli, I knew he was gone. I turned to sue, and I went, he's voted out tonight.

[Rider Strong]

You can't get too cocky, man.

[Will Friedle]

No. And the second they start to show, it's like when you watch Top Chef, when they start to weirdly focus on one chef, it's always like, that's when he's going to be kicked off tonight. And the second they started really focusing on Mike and some of those zingers he was pointing out, I was like, he's done. They're kicking him out tonight.

[Rider Strong]

I knew I loved this singer. And I was like, he's a great writer. He got Stephanie on his side. Then he tells Christian and Angelina to go for Emily. And Christian is in this sort of. He's stuck because he feels, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, but.

[Rider Strong]

And then Mike and Christian have this scene which turns out to be a pretty big thing. And this is where Mike's writing linguistic ability was not so good. He says, she's a nerd bomb, where the nerd girl stabs the nerd guy in the back, which was mixing your metaphors. Dude, I like your figure in the shape of a ren faire girl.

[Will Friedle]

Love it.

[Rider Strong]

But what I really was thinking while I'm watching this, I was like, mike, you're the nerd girl in this situation or the nerd guy. You're doing the same thing. You're gonna turn around and stab Christian in the back. And I was so glad that Christian saw that for what it was because, you know, he's smart. Christian smart is very smart.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And I just call him beating humble in a way that. That. That Mike is not right. Mike is, I think, been directing a little too long and believes in his own persuasive powers a little too much.

[Will Friedle]

Well, he said he's like, all. The only. The only thing Survivor is, is just convincing other people to do what you want them to do. And I was like, wow. Right? Kind of. But it's still like.

[Rider Strong]

And he does have good skills at it. But, you know, when you're directing, your actors on White Lotus have to do what you're going to say.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

So you think you're a great, persuasive person, but the reality is they get paid to be there and do what you're. You know, you're the boss.

[Will Friedle]

Your. Your cast isn't going to turn around and vote you out of directing.

[Rider Strong]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Your producers, maybe, the network, maybe. But even at this point, no.

[Will Friedle]

No.

[Rider Strong]

By the second season of White Lotus, they're getting him. Do whatever he wants. Yep.

[Will Friedle]

What do you need?

[Rider Strong]

He took that for granted, man. I think, because really, he should have been drawing Christian in, you know, and instead, he really kind of pushed him away from. With this moment, and his ego got

[Will Friedle]

him kicked out this week. So. Man.

[Rider Strong]

And I think so, because actually, you look at Mike and Christian and Emily, these are the sort of nerdier. Like, they should have been sticking together, and instead, by, like, characterizing her as a nerd, Christian's gonna take that personally. For him, too. You know, it's wearing a robot shirt. Yeah. Not a cool way to go, man.

[Martha Stewart]

No, no.

[Rider Strong]

It was a big misstep on my.

[Will Friedle]

That was. I agree. 100. He was. His ego got him kicked off the show. All right. I liked. I liked the way that he dealt with it, though. I like how he was like, oh, of course. Nice.

[Rider Strong]

Yes, exactly.

[Will Friedle]

Good job, guys. Like, I like that.

[Rider Strong]

No, I sure was her. Ultimately a good guy, but, like, yeah, I think he just screwed up here and, you know, and all comes back, actually to him wanting to support Angelina as a friend, knowing she wasn't that Good of a player. So it all goes back to a strategic misstep, you know, that he made halfway, you know, halfway through this episode

[Will Friedle]

as President George Bush so eloquently said. Strategery.

[Rider Strong]

Strategery.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Rider Strong]

So Christian decides to make this big move to vote out Mike, which he only needs, you know, a couple votes. And I love that he's like, we don't tell Ozzy because Ozzy's gunning for a white lotus cameo, which I love.

[Will Friedle]

That was so good.

[Rider Strong]

It is kind of true. He does know Mike. Mike said that they. They hung out in LA as friends, and then. And Ozzy said, I want my. I want to be Mike's number one. So Christian is exactly right, Which I then love that Emily, who just cannot keep her mouth shut.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God. I couldn't believe that.

[Rider Strong]

I couldn't believe.

[Will Friedle]

It's like, just don't say anything. How hard is it to just not say something?

[Rider Strong]

It ultimately does work in their favor, though. I mean, knowing how the episode actually ended, I'm like, that's good, because Ozzy can't be really pissed at Emily anymore. You know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

No, but you can't ever tell her anything, ever.

[Rider Strong]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

Because it's like, that is not a person you want on your side. It's like, really? You're just gonna go to.

[Rider Strong]

She.

[Will Friedle]

First she told about the idol, and then she told about this. It's like, just keep your mouth shut.

[Rider Strong]

But luckily, she doesn't say were voting. Like, Ozzy still thinks they're voting for Angelina, which I think if they had told. I think if they had told him that they were voting for Mike, Ozzy would have run to tell Mike, and I think.

[Will Friedle]

I think so, too.

[Rider Strong]

So I think he's standing behind like, yes, be quiet. Be quiet. But it's interesting that, you know, it is. I can't wait to see what happens. Because Christian trusting Emily at this point could be that nerd bomb. Exactly what Mike said. So he's asking Emily to trust him, and he's trusting Emily, who's already blurted out and. But she does stick to the plan. But I think maybe, you know, even by next episode, Christian could be, you know, regretting his decision to stick with Emily over almost anybody else at this.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. And I'm hoping again, I think you're right. As they get weeded down more, I'm gonna start getting attached to certain people, like on Traders, and it's gonna be. Then I'm gonna be in. Yeah. I just want them to do a Little more surviving. And I get what they mean. I get the metaphor of you're actually surviving the vote as opposed to surviving on the island. I'd like to see a little bit of this.

[Martha Stewart]

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[Rider Strong]

We get to tribal council, and to your point, Ozzy talks about catching eight fish, which we never saw. No, we saw him, like, go, I'm gonna go get some food. But, like, dude caught them eight fish. That is insane. After pulling that boat, pushing that boat, he was, like, the only one in the back for a little while, too. Like.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I still don't get how you've said that. That's the guy who keeps getting voted off of every other season. It's like, how is that the dude you want to get rid of? I guess I kind of get it, but he deserves the win.

[Rider Strong]

When it gets to the individual immunity, he just kicks everyone's.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I mean.

[Rider Strong]

Keep him until you. Yeah, it's really tricky, man. They blindside him like crazy. But, yeah, he provides food for everybody.

[Will Friedle]

But if you want him really to survive where he says, okay, you lost, so I'm taking your. Your flint. Okay, well, everybody has fired. What they should do is they should take their fire. Like, you don't get fire anymore. It's not that you don't get a way to start your fire because you've already started your fire. We're extinguishing your fire, and you don't get a fire until you win again.

[Rider Strong]

Again.

[Will Friedle]

That would be interesting.

[Rider Strong]

Well, they do take their flint. What do you mean?

[Will Friedle]

No, no, I'm saying instead of taking their flint, they take the flint, but they also extinguish whatever fire they have. And they're not allowed to have fire until they win again. That, to me, would be interesting because it's like, I know, but when. Who cares? Taking your flint, just keep the fire going. Taking their flint does nothing with the fire going. Yeah, put the fire out. You don't get fire. That's what I'm saying. But you don't get. You don't get to do that. You're. Once the fire goes out, we're putting your fire out. You've lost. You can't have a fire again until. Until you win again. That would be how I would do it. Make them survive.

[Rider Strong]

Harsh. Make them survive something. I think they are surviving.

[Will Friedle]

Pants are turning me into a different guy. So.

[Rider Strong]

So Mike has this weird, this interesting line during tribal council where he says, you know, there's some people you'd rather lose with than win with. Which it's like, okay, yeah, so you're gonna lose with Angelina.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And he also has this great spiel where he says he's so used to selling people on his artistic projects, and until it comes out, you feel like a con artist, which I'm really related to.

[Will Friedle]

Of course, that's any.

[Rider Strong]

Everybody in our industry can relate to that because you always have to say, like, just trust me, I have a vision, or the story's gonna be there before it's written or give me millions of dollars or give me the part. You know, it's.

[Will Friedle]

It was.

[Rider Strong]

It was really a well put, like, point.

[Will Friedle]

I had a meeting with somebody the other day who's at a position in his career where he literally said to me, I'm in a place now where I can say whatever I want. And everybody just says yes to me. And I was like, oh, what a magical place. Really? Industry. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, you got to tell me who this was. I don't know that it was. I didn't know about this meeting.

[Will Friedle]

It was just like, he's like my, My. My agents, my managers, other producers, they're just there to say yes to me when I come with any.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, it's just like, wouldn't that be nice?

[Will Friedle]

Magical.

[Rider Strong]

That be nice?

[Will Friedle]

Absolutely. Yeah. Well, that's Mike White. I mean, Mike White, whatever. He's going to go pitch. They're going to do. Yeah. So, I mean, it's. That's. The idea that he's doing Survivor for fun is kind of cool.

[Rider Strong]

Crazy weird.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Pretty cool.

[Will Friedle]

I, He. He seems like a person I would really love having nothing to do with the industry. Like, not trying to pitch him anything, not trying to sell him anything. I would love to just sit down and have a meal and just talk to that guy. He seems like it would be a super interesting conversation.

[Rider Strong]

Super entertaining, super funny. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Have you seen. So apparently he did a movie in 2000 that I was. I was looking at that. Jeff Bridges came out and said it was the best movie and the best performance in a decade.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I know. That he started with, like, you know, much smaller comedies. And then, you know, the fact that he's ended up doing White Lotus is just bonkers.

[Will Friedle]

Maybe it's Chuck and Buck.

[Rider Strong]

Yes, I've heard about this.

[Will Friedle]

So he plays. He plays like a guy. Plays a crazy guy who's like, stalking his best friend. And I was reading all about it and. And the la. It ended with a quote of. Of Jeff Bridges saying, like, this is the best performance I've seen in a decade. Like, oh, my God. So, yeah, apparently, you know, he was great in School of Rock, which I think is the only thing I've ever seen him in as an actor. But I mean, this guy's legit talented, so it's. I would love to sit down and have a conversation with him.

[Rider Strong]

Well, he's kicked off Survivor season 50. Bye bye Mike.

[Will Friedle]

And was shot.

[Rider Strong]

I was like, wow, plan works perfectly. It does, it does. You know, way to pull it off. I feel like. I feel like the. The tribe is going to be able to come together. I mean, Angelina's clearly on the outs.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

So she's got some scrambling to do. But the fact that everybody else came together for this vote in some form or another, and I think that Ozzy's gonna be able to forgive everybody, I hope.

[Will Friedle]

In the seasons you've seen, have you ever seen a tribe that keeps losing, keeps losing and then eventually turns around and gets stronger? Or do you just. Is this like a slow death by a thousand paper cuts?

[Rider Strong]

It's usually just death until they get down to, like two people and then they just merge into the other tribes, I think. I mean, I. Yeah, it's really hard to turn it around once. Once you've gotten this weakness, you know, because now you can see that they're gonna have to take two people out for each challenge on the other teams in order to match this team.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, that's right.

[Rider Strong]

Right. So two people get to sit out every time and they can't sit out more than, I think once in a row, maybe twice in a row. So it's gonna get interesting, man. I mean, that's the only. That's the only way to equalize it. Is that, like. Cause you saw Cerise sit out.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

So, like, if she sits out again, they can't do that. So eventually you end up having to, like, sit out Jonathan or somebody that you really rely on.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

Hopefully that equalizes it. But honestly, like, every season, I feel like it's just the. They're so demoralized. They fall apart until it gets to the individual game. But sometimes these people end up being the winners, like, from the demoralized. Like, Sophie was on a tribe that lost everything and got down to two people last season, and she ended up being in the final three.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, she was okay. Oh, wow. Okay.

[Rider Strong]

So, you know, that's like. Like, I think that it actually toughens you up and forces you, like, when you come in on the bottom of whatever tribe you come in on, whatever. A lot of times there's factions of people like that surprisingly, surprisingly turn against each other, and if you're on the bottom, you get to be the deciding vote. Do you know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

So, yeah, of course.

[Rider Strong]

Coming into an established alliance and being the one to be like, it's four against four. I. Everyone wants my vote. And then you say, give me what I want. Like, let me and trust me and never vote me out. And then. Then you make it to the end because of that.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

[Rider Strong]

So sometimes it's good to be, you know, the last person standing on a tribe. That's.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that's shitty. There's one more thing I would add to what we'd have to train for for Survivor. We'd also need to train with giant puzzles, because that seems to be a very big, important part of the show.

[Rider Strong]

Exactly. Giant puzzles and word puzzles. You know, like, figuring out. And they've repeated a lot of, like, I think Celebration has been before. Like, they pick words that are, like, you know. Yeah, it's.

[Will Friedle]

I can't spell, so I would. I'd be losing all of the.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

Like, what's calibration? What's everybody's problem?

[Rider Strong]

All right, well, you've been listening to Pod Meets Twirled. No.

[Will Friedle]

Excuse me. I know that you started with another host last week, but that does not give you the right to skip over my segment, sir, which, as everybody knows, is called Will's History of People that Survive Stuff and things. And it doesn't include Sophie. I'm looking at you, Sophie. So this week, we are talking about Frayne Selleck, who is a crew.

[Rider Strong]

Well, you made that up. That is a Star wars character.

[Will Friedle]

I did. Isn't that the coolest frame played by Tom Selleck. Exactly. Of the Council of. No, he's Frane Selleck. He's a Croatian music teacher, and he became famous for surviving an astonishing seven deadly accidents. These included train and plane crashes, car explosions, and even being hit by a bus.

[Rider Strong]

Just randomly.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

He wasn't, like, ever intentionally putting himself into these.

[Will Friedle]

My God. Despite repeatedly flirting with disaster, Selleck always emerged alive, earning him the nickname of the world's luckiest unlucky man.

[Rider Strong]

So this is Unbreakable. This is the plot of essentially Unbreakable by M. Night Shyamalan's movie.

[Will Friedle]

Essentially, except better. His remarkable run of escapes had sparked both awe and disbelief worldwide. That is Frayne Selleck. And I was gonna do another. A different one, but it was another woman and there's been a bunch of women and now. So I wanted to give Frayne his due.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, give Frame his due. There you go. I like the. I like the new take on surviving, too, that it's like multiple events. It's not just surviving in the wilderness. 1.

[Will Friedle]

There's some crazy ones. There is some crazy ones. I'm glad I don't have to do the best love stories that ever happened. If we did the Bachelorette, so thank God that's not a thing. I wouldn't even know what that theme song was going to be. God.

[Rider Strong]

What best love stories. Oh, that's what I was going to

[Will Friedle]

do is like the big best loves again. I have all the knowledge of the world in my head, so I can just filter through whatever I want.

[Rider Strong]

You've been listening to Pod Meats Twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time at Tribal. Foreign.

[Martha Stewart]

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[Rider Strong]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Will Friedle]

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