Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5009

Summary

Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5009

Podcast: Pod Meets World
Episode: Pod Meets Twirl’d: Survivor 5009
Date: April 24, 2026
Hosts: Daniel Fish & Ryder Strong
Summary By: [Assistant]

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Episode Overview

This episode of Pod Meets Twirl’d dives into the hosts' ongoing recap and analysis of Survivor Season 50, focusing on Episode 9 and a broader reflection on the show's evolution, gameplay, personalities, and its roots. Daniel and Ryder, best friends with contrasting survival philosophies, blend witty banter, pop-culture references, and personal anecdotes with a detailed breakdown of the latest Survivor. Their discussion highlights everything from reality competition strategy to moon rabbits, resulting in one of their most personality-driven and insightful episodes.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Catalina Science Camp Adventures (03:18–07:05)

• Daniel and Ryder start by comparing notes on recent trips to Catalina Island, each chaperoning kids at science camp.
• Daniel: Emphasizes bonding with his son and kids, being impressed by young counselors, and reflecting on island life.
• Ryder: Expresses love for Catalina and muses on the appeal of small-island living.
  • Notable Quote:
    "I could do small island living. I'd have no problem with that." – Ryder (06:43)

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2. Survivor Season 50: Episode Impressions (07:25–14:18)

• Ryder “really liked” this week's episode, finding the challenges fun and enjoying Jeff Probst being “given shit.”
• Daniel felt it was “not as good as the last,” suspecting Ryder is “just getting more into it.”
• The hosts debate Jeff's role as a host vs. as a "character" in recent seasons, discussing an article critiquing this shift.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "He's now just kind of like this friendly, somewhat goofy guy. And so when this happened in this episode, it was like, that's true. He totally is." – Daniel (08:21)
    "It's more just like catty gossip." – Daniel (09:09)
    "Time to go to the high school cafeteria... I watch people be catty to each other. They go to an occasional class—which is like, doing the challenge—and I leave." – Ryder (09:17)

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3. Showmances, Social Play & Old School vs. New School Survivor (10:13–14:31)

• Ryder asks if contestants ever “hook up.” Daniel explains that coupling up has become a strategic liability—target on one’s back.
• The duo riff on the hidden side of reality TV, referencing rumors and stories from other shows.
• Discussion pivots to how “popular kids” tend to have an easier time, whereas “nerdy, socially awkward people” are often judged harshly.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "If you couple off, everyone knows that you're never going to vote each other out, and so they immediately start targeting both of you." – Daniel (10:35)
    "It's a personality thing, man… that's what you realize." – Daniel (16:39)

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4. Episode 9 Breakdown: Alliances, Twists & Power Players (14:31–17:15)

• Recap: Chrissy and Coach are gone; Devins makes a fake idol play; doubts on its credibility.
• Serei’s (Cirie’s) social dominance is dissected—she’s “on every team,” yet never targeted.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "She controls the whole game and everybody loves her... everyone's like, 'I hate Christian, he goes from here to here'; that's exactly what Serei does and everyone seems to love her for it." – Ryder (16:21)
    "Then she deserves to win." – Ryder (17:22)

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5. Early Game Maneuvering: The Downfall of Christian (22:13–27:16)

• The hosts laugh over gameplay hypocrisy: players lying while insisting they’re “playing honorably.”
• Christian and Emily try to distance from Devins; Christian offers his "shot in the dark" to Jonathan, a move Daniel calls a mistake.
• Christian misreads social cues, including offering water when everyone’s on edge.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "You can't just say I'm so honorable that I looked him in the eyes and I told him a lie." – Daniel (24:02)
    "He thought he was funnier and charming than he actually was." – Daniel (26:14)

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6. "Moon Rabbit with Pancakes" and the Best Education of the Episode (29:09–29:27)

• Jonathan brings up cultural lore: seeing a "rabbit with pancakes" in the moon.
• Daniel and Ryder sidetrack into the origins of this story and riff about lunar conspiracy theories.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "Apparently in a lot of different Asian cultures. It's a rabbit with a pestle, like a mortar and pestle." – Daniel (27:39)

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7. Manipulation & Strategy: Serei Pulls the Strings (31:06–33:24)

• Serei subtly twists Christian’s words, pitting him against power players Jonathan and Ozzy.
• Ryder likens Serei to a Survivor mastermind, able to “lie without lying."
  • Notable Quotes:
    "She also seems like one of those people that can lie without lying." – Ryder (32:54)

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8. Game Mechanics & The Fire Challenge Explained (34:11–35:10)

• Ryder probes rare elimination-by-challenge scenarios; Daniel explains fire-making as the only “lose and be gone” exception.
• Quick summary of how final fire-making works, and how often it occurs.

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9. Physical Challenges: Crank Bucket & the Rice Bet (39:06–44:00)

Immunity Challenge

• Challenge involves holding a weighted bucket (25% of pre-show body weight).
• Daniel notes challenge is more grueling than it appears; Ryder relates it to “Biggest Loser.”

Jeff’s Rice Challenge (41:02–42:58)

• Hosts critique the logic of Jeff offering to enter the challenge for rice—remarking there’s “no risk” for the contestants in this setup.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "It's the dumbest setup. I was like, there's literally no incentive for them to not do it." – Daniel (41:04)

Spectacle vs. Survival (43:05–44:21)

• Daniel and Ryder reminisce about earlier Survivor seasons that featured true adversity.
• Ryder’s wife Susan wistfully remarks that watching Survivor now just makes her “miss Alone,” the survival reality show.
  • Notable Quote:
    "She goes, it just makes me miss Alone. Because we haven't watched it in a while. And I was like, you're right. It makes me miss Alone." – Ryder (44:00)

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10. Rock, Paper, Scissors vs. Rochambeau: A Cultural Debate (46:54–49:18)

• After the challenge, Joe picks a journey partner via "Rochambeau" (rock, paper, scissors), sparking a lively cultural/linguistic debate.
• Both hosts are adamant that “Rochambeau” is the superior, more elegant name for the game.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "Calling the game rock, paper, scissors when that's what you do. Like, come on, let's be more sophisticated, people. Give it a nice title. Rochambeau." – Daniel (48:56)

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11. Rice Wars – Rationing & Camp Drama (49:19–53:19)

• Classic Survivor moment: a fight breaks out over how much rice to cook. Serei staunchly defends her method; Emily cautions about overuse.
• Both hosts share ‘rice stories’ from their own camping experiences.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "I think Emily was just trying to ration and think, like, do we... We should plan this out a little bit more." – Daniel (51:02)

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12. Christian’s Spiral & Tribal Council (57:39–66:04)

• Christian receives a challenge from Jimmy Fallon but fails the puzzle (later revealed he had 5 minutes to solve it).
• He makes a cryptic comment about “smart people feeling stupid,” which the hosts find self-congratulatory.
• Ryder speculates Christian “wanted to go on The Tonight Show” and suspects deliberate grandstanding as his gameplay falters.
  • Notable Quotes:
    "I don't think most people understand how often smart people feel stupid." – Christian, quoted by Daniel (57:39)
    "He's loopy. Loopy." – Daniel (65:06)
• Christian is ultimately voted out; Emily and Devins, who vote Ozzy, are identified as likely next targets.

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13. Survival Storytime: Mauro Prosperi, Ultramarathon Survivor (67:47–69:44)

• As is tradition, Ryder closes with a real-world survival tale: Mauro Prosperi survives nine days lost in the Sahara by drinking bat blood and eating anything he could.
  • Notable Quote:
    "For nine days, he faced blistering heat, dehydration, and disorientation. To survive Prosperi resorted to drinking bat blood and eating whatever he could find, ultimately covering an astonishing 186 miles before being rescued." – Ryder (68:01)

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Notable & Memorable Moments

• "Moon rabbit with pancakes" lore (29:09–29:27).
• The deep dive into the linguistics of "Rochambeau" vs. "rock, paper, scissors" (46:54–49:18).
• Susan’s interjection about Alone vs. Survivor (44:00).
• Recollections of real-life rice mishaps and camp cooking (49:19–53:19).
• Ryder’s parody of “seeing everyone as drumsticks” when starving (59:05).
• Every line about “catty cafeteria” social vibes.

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Episode Timeline

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:18–07:05 | Catalina trip stories and island living debate | | 07:25–14:18 | Survivor S50E9, Jeff Probst’s evolving role, show format changes | | 14:31–17:15 | Recap: alliances, Devins’ fake idol, Serei’s social game | | 22:13–27:16 | Gameplay hypocrisy, downfall of Christian | | 29:09–29:27 | Moon rabbit with pancakes lore | | 31:06–33:24 | Serei manipulates alliances, Survivor “lying without lying” | | 34:11–35:10 | Fire challenge and elimination mechanics in Survivor | | 39:06–44:00 | Forearm challenge, Jeff’s rice bet, differences with Alone | | 46:54–49:18 | Rochambeau vs. Rock, Paper, Scissors discussion | | 49:19–53:19 | Rice fight at camp, stories about making rice/food on trips | | 57:39–66:04 | Christian’s puzzle challenge, downward spiral, tribal council | | 67:47–69:44 | Survival story: Mauro Prosperi |

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Quotes & Banter Highlights

• “He's the oldest, but you could see... he's in very good shape. He's eaten, he showered. So to do that and to be beaten by... five or six people, he's like, oh my god.” – Ryder, on Jeff Probst’s performance in the challenge (45:30)
• “You can't just say I'm so honorable that I looked him in the eyes and I told him a lie.” – Daniel (24:02)
• "My head is an amazing place to be. Giant lobster man." – Ryder, closing survival segment (67:51)
• “It just makes me miss Alone.” – Susan, as relayed by Ryder (44:00)

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The evolution of Survivor—from gritty, survival-based social experiment to personality-driven spectacle—was a central theme and provoked spirited debate.
• Social prowess and subtle manipulation, embodied by Serei, overwhelmingly dominate gameplay in the modern era.
• The fun of Survivor lies as much in its social microcosms and absurdities (catty alliances, rice wars, naming conventions) as in its competitive set pieces.
• The episode features a blend of practical life lessons, random trivia (moon rabbits, Rochambeau history), and humor that make it enjoyable for superfans and newcomers alike.

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[Daniel Fish]

Welcome to Podmeats Twirled, a podcast that once chronicled two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars but watched a season and walked away. Experts. From there, we ventured into Traitors, a show I'd never seen, but Will swore he could win. And now we turn to Survivor season 50, the big one. And this time, the rules are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the first one, meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Will Friedle, who prefers his wilderness with room service, and Rider Strong, who will hike any mountain but really hates the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization. One who would never leave the woods if he could. But both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances. Blindsides, fire making sand related misery, and 25 years of television history, culminating in a single massive season. This is Pod meets Twirled. Seeking immunity, I will.

[Ryder Strong]

Hey, Ryder. How's it going?

[Daniel Fish]

I spent a lot of time on a beach.

[Ryder Strong]

Did you?

[Daniel Fish]

Where were you?

[Ryder Strong]

That's a.

[Daniel Fish]

Where would you go? For three days, I was chaperoning fifth graders at a Catalina science camp getaway.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God. I did the same thing you did.

[Daniel Fish]

You were on the island. I can't believe I did island of Catalina and. Yeah, okay. No.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God. How did this come up?

[Daniel Fish]

This was so much fun. Like his entire fifth grade class at his school. This is like their big field trip. They do a three day field trip. A lot of LA schools do some version of this, you know, it's like,

[Ryder Strong]

I like Catalina, dude.

[Daniel Fish]

Catalina's awesome. Awesome.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I like. I always have.

[Daniel Fish]

Genuinely great.

[Ryder Strong]

That's cool. Did you do science stuff or you just chilling out?

[Daniel Fish]

No, we were super active all day. We did sea kayaking, snorkeling, ropes course, rock wall climbing. They have a giant swing. We did a hike. It was.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, that sounds fun.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, it was the best part was just like getting to hang with Indy and his entire class, you know, And I was in charge of a cabin of like, there was 10 kids in the cabin. And then an activity group of like 16 of us with a couple other parents. Super fun. And like, I just walked away, like just loving all these kids and like, totally.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

I wish they'd done it at the beginning of the year because, you know, here it is, it's already April. Like we're at the end of the school year and now I'm like totally bonded with all of his classmates and all the kids he goes to school with.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, it would have been too cold at the beginning. Well, I guess you started in August or something like that. Like really right at the beginning of the year.

[Daniel Fish]

Perfect. Yeah, it was so fun and like, just so impressed with the, like the counselors who do the actual science education and like run the activities. So great. They're all like, you know, 22 year old scientists, biologists who are like all about educating kids. Like it was super fun, man.

[Ryder Strong]

Very similar to my lifestyle. Very similar. Yeah, yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

That's what you did the last time. 22 year old. Well, just.

[Ryder Strong]

No 22 year old scientists. Just happy to educate kids. No, my God. Sounds terrible to me. Oh God. Everything about that sounds bad.

[Daniel Fish]

But you have been to Catalina?

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, I love it. Many times. I love Catalina. Yeah, my, my brothers came out and my dad came out and my nephews came out. That was where just we took a little family, guys, family trip for my bachelor party and we just hung out on the beach and, you know, rented jet skis and that kind of stuff. It was really cool. And then Gary and I went there years ago. No, I've been there, you know, probably half a dozen times. I love Catalina. I think it's great.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, it's super cool.

[Ryder Strong]

I could live there. Susan's not the same. Like I could, I could do small island living. I'd have no problem with that.

[Daniel Fish]

I kind, I thought I couldn't, but after this, like, after three days, I was like, I don't want to go home.

[Ryder Strong]

That's what I'm saying. It would get very, I could see it getting very claustrophobic, but I, I don't mind that. I don't mind a very small, tight knit world. And especially in the off season, it's like you and nine people on the island.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, but would that be good for you? Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh yeah, it would be great. I don't think.

[Daniel Fish]

You know, more isolation. No, you would just, you would. He would be watching MASH all day, every day.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my God, it's magical.

[Daniel Fish]

Is there a dispensary on the island? If there is, I'm fine.

[Ryder Strong]

If not, I'm Gonna open one. Helen. Ya. Oh, my God.

[Daniel Fish]

All right. How are we doing on Survivor?

[Ryder Strong]

Really liked this episode. Really? I did. I did. I really liked this episode.

[Daniel Fish]

And see, for me, it was, like, not as good as the last. I thought the last episode was awesome, but maybe you're just getting more into it.

[Ryder Strong]

I think that's what it is. I liked the challenges more in the last episode. I thought this was more fun, though. I love how Jeff joined and, like, people were, like, giving him shit the whole time. Oh, I thought it was really. Because again, I have no context to it.

[Daniel Fish]

I guess it was kind of cool. I don't know. It just. It did nothing. Like, I was like, no, I think it's more.

[Ryder Strong]

So they got the opportunity to kind of make fun of them and see how it's like. Well, it's not easy, is it? Like, all that kind of stuff.

[Daniel Fish]

It's so funny because I read an article this week before the. Before I watched the episode. I think it was in the A.V. club, or maybe it was Indiewire. Somebody had written an article talking about how Survivor has gone downhill since they've made Jeff more of a character. Really? Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

He's such a good host, though.

[Daniel Fish]

And they agree. They said, like, he's been the greatest host ever, but that actually his involvement really marks the new era. And that, you know, as he's become what they call more of a character, more Uncle Jeff, which means that he's friendlier and doesn't. Like in the old. When he wasn't an executive producer, when he was just the host, he would be a little harsher with the kid and, like, sort of keep them in line more or, like, challenge their ideas more. And they were saying that he's now just kind of like this friendly, somewhat goofy guy. And so when this happened in this episode, it was like, that's true. He totally is. Like, he's kind of been knocked down a couple pegs, which I like him for, for the most part. But I guess what this article was saying, which I think is in line with some of the criticism you've had about this season, is that by making him friendlier, the show has lost some of its edge and that it's more just like catty gossip.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, again, that's all it is. I'm now just used to. I say to myself, well, time to go to the high school cafeteria. And for an hour and a half, I go to the high school cafeteria. I watch the people be catty to each other. They go to an occasional class, which is like, Doing the challenge and then I leave and I'm like, okay.

[Daniel Fish]

Right. And I think that, like, him offering to enter the challenge as some sort of like, rice giving competition.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Is like completely undercut by, like, the whole rice thing kind of seems neither here nor there. Like, they're not, like you said, a bunch. We don't see them starving. We don't hear about them starving that much.

[Ryder Strong]

We heard it this week, but that was it. Just one time. They're like, we're really starving here. And I was like, oh, that's right. They're not eating. Right. So, yeah. You don't really get that. Again. There's. It's. But I have nothing. I have no context. I have nothing to really to compare it to. Except season one. I did the flashbacks they did of. Of him.

[Daniel Fish]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Definitely did show that he was much

[Daniel Fish]

different back in the day. Don't get out.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Or like, my God, this is the worst I've ever seen. The guys go, you guys are pathetic. This chat, like, wow, okay, that's.

[Daniel Fish]

See that Jeff's gone.

[Ryder Strong]

I had a question. Has there ever been in the 50

[Daniel Fish]

seasons so bad at Survivor lore? I'm just cur.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm curious that I'm sure this is something that people would know or. Or you would know. Have any of the contestants ever hooked up? Yeah, if it's a high school, I mean.

[Daniel Fish]

Oh, no, it's off. It's. It's. It's a big target on your back. So they. People know not to do it anymore.

[Ryder Strong]

Really?

[Daniel Fish]

Oh, yeah. Because if you couple off, think about it, then everybody knows that you're never going to vote each other out. And so they immediately start targeting both

[Ryder Strong]

of you or one of you.

[Daniel Fish]

So, like, oh, yeah. People used to, you know, even just flirt and, like, hold hands or start, you know, and you wouldn't know what was really going on at night. But you figure they're all sleeping on a beach. There's going to be. Yeah. And there have been some cuddling. Like, you've seen some cuddling. They were cuddling all night and I'm really gross.

[Ryder Strong]

So there's been some Survivor nookie.

[Daniel Fish]

Oh, yeah.

[Cindy Crawford]

Oh, yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

But it's. But it's backfired so easily. It backfires so quickly on people that I think everyone goes in now, like, just knowing. Do not.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Daniel Fish]

Don't even let. Like, there have been people that. I forget who it was. They knew they liked each other and then consciously said not until after the show. Dated after the show.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Daniel Fish]

For like a while. Like, they dated and then I think they came back. But. But yeah, there was one couple and there was, like, the smart move because they were like, we. If we do this, like, if we let anybody know that we're into each other, it's going to ru. Ruin our chances of Survivor.

[Ryder Strong]

That would be thin, hungry, smelly nookie is what it would be. Exactly. You know it and I know it.

[Daniel Fish]

And also, I don't know what's gross. Are you calling it nookie or the description of it? Thin and Boston Rob. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

They formed alliance.

[Daniel Fish]

Okay. So they made it.

[Ryder Strong]

All right. Have you ever had dry sex on a sandy beach? Nothing like it.

[Daniel Fish]

Just stop.

[Ryder Strong]

Nothing like it, my friend. Nothing like that. Old sandpaper sex.

[Daniel Fish]

I will say I had a friend who used to work in casting for Reality because, like, so many people I know who entered the entertainment industry, like, in our generation, those were the only jobs you could get. So a lot of people I knew used to work in Reality in the early aughts. And she worked on a show. I won't say what it was, but it was a group of people and there was some serious venereal disease roaring through the whole process of filming.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, this is. Apparently, they talk about on Jersey Shore. They talk about literally having to hand out Valtrex.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, everybody.

[Daniel Fish]

This was not part of the show. Like, these people were not supposed to be sleeping together and they had to, like, treat them and then return them to the show and not mention any of this. So you would never know if you watch the show what was going on. But apparently, like, everybody was sleeping with everybody, so.

[Ryder Strong]

And that's reality. It should be reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's.

[Daniel Fish]

There's probably a lot more going on even on Survivor than what we see in the finished product.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Daniel Fish]

So the fact that we've seen some of it in the finished product of Survivor means that there's probably even.

[Ryder Strong]

There's a lot. Exactly. Wow. Crazy. You know? Crazy. I liked it, though, overall.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I just. I know what it is. That's what it is now is. I do. I know it is. I said this to Susan last night as I was watching. Am I interested in the show to see who's going to win the season? Sure. Do I ever need to watch Survivor again? Probably not. I'd like to try, but I would. Because I'd like to try a season that's not a specialty. Fan season.

[Daniel Fish]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

So I'd like to try one more season to see if just the regular season I'd be more into. But it's. It's fine. I'm starting to get into the personalities, the people. I'm having my favorites, I imagine. I mean, I imagine for most people, that's how you watch it. I've got my favorite. I don't have my favorite. I can't believe this person did that. Oh, my God. What a cool challenge. So I think I'm watching it the right way now, but is it my favorite show of all time? No. But is it the worst thing I've ever seen?

[Daniel Fish]

No, course not. Yeah. All right. I'm kind of like, with you now that, like, as much as I'm. I'm enjoying this season, I do. I want to see a season with people who have never watched Survivor and where they really just make the challenge. Not the challenges, but the. The survival factor a little harder or a little more. Just unpredictable.

[Ryder Strong]

I think they need to get off the set. I think they need to get off the set. They need to get off the same island they've been on the whole time. They need to alone it up a little bit more, drop all the people somewhere else and do a real Survivor again. I think you'll get a lot of their fans back.

[Daniel Fish]

All right, so this episode nine begins. Chris, Chrissy and Coach have been voted out while Devin's made his fake idol move, which was bold but seemed to kind of work worked. I mean, I'm still not quite clear if people actually change their vote based on that. I don't think so.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, there's a whole bunch of. There was a whole bunch of press in between where people were saying things like, oh, at. They cut it all out. But at the time, some of the people were saying stuff like, it's fake, it's fake. It's not a real idea.

[Daniel Fish]

It doesn't seem like anybody's really buying it, but even during this episode, they're like, I guess we have to vote for him to flush it out, right.

[Ryder Strong]

Or is he gonna play? And he's like, I'm definitely playing it. I'm definitely playing it. I guess you just hold onto it for as long as you can. Because you said there's a real Billy. Billy Idol still on the island. Right. Because somebody.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't start digging immediately once they got back, because it should be back. But he. Yeah, I don't get his whole strategy because then he comes back and he keeps this lie going once they get back to camp, which I thought he was just gonna admit, like, hahaha. I got you.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Daniel Fish]

You know, you didn't vote for me, but I don't have an. But instead he's like still playing it off like he's got an idol. So I just don't know how well this is going to pan out for him. It'll.

[Ryder Strong]

It'll turn around and bite him, I'm sure.

[Daniel Fish]

I think so.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

It just seems like we kind of know who's going to get voted out at this point, doesn't it?

[Ryder Strong]

I mean. Yeah. By the time the quote unquote twist.

[Daniel Fish]

Devins, Emily, Aubrey, Christian, like the people that are in the middle that they keep saying are in the middle.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Which is not really true because they don't turn out to be the swing voters that often.

[Ryder Strong]

No.

[Daniel Fish]

It just seems like they're going to just get targeted one by one.

[Ryder Strong]

It's just anybody Ceri says should go kind of. But that's all it is. That's the show how anybody who's ever. That's all I was thinking is how anybody who's ever watched Survivor ever, which again I have not. But comes on and sits next to her and doesn't say she's the first person that has to go, then you deserve to lose.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Because she controls the whole game and everybody loves her. She's on every team, which is apparently a detriment to every other player, but to her is a bonus. Like, everyone's like, I hate Christian. He goes from here to here to here to here. That's exactly what Serie does and everybody seems to love her for it.

[Daniel Fish]

It's a personality thing, man.

[Ryder Strong]

It must be. Yes.

[Daniel Fish]

That's what you realize. It's like who are the people that are in the middle that people are judging for like being two faced or liars or whatever. It's the socially slightly dorky, nerdy, socially awkward people. Yeah. So people without the like they're not the cool kids, which is. It's strangely very old school Survivor like, because they've done. They did. All of them did very well in their other seasons. But it turns out this season like it's kind of old school and that like the popular kids are just like Jonathan and Joe, you know, are just like picking people up with Ozzy.

[Ryder Strong]

But that's the thing. I was like, how does anybody not go, oh, Ceri's on this great.

[Daniel Fish]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

First vote, every boat only vote siree they all.

[Daniel Fish]

She's just able to convince them all that she's on their side.

[Ryder Strong]

Then she deserves to win.

[Daniel Fish]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

Because. Because if you can't see that she's manipulating the entire game, which she is. Then you deserve to lose. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah. So Stephanie, the, the, the big teaser leading up to the opening credits is Stephanie saying she's going to slit everybody's throats because she's been harsh, backstabbed or blindsided this episode. And then she does proceeds to not really do much this episode.

[Ryder Strong]

There's no throat slitting.

[Daniel Fish]

She's not? No. She kind of just goes with the group and votes with everybody who they tell. Tell her to.

[Kal Penn]

Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

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[Daniel Fish]

Joe is is doing his impression of Devin's at the tribal council, which I loved because it was the frantic digging

[Ryder Strong]

y

[Daniel Fish]

so he's like very much against Devin. Seems like Everybody's happy that Devin has put a target on himself and that's the way it's going to go. Aubrey immediately is distancing herself from Devins with Jonathan. I don't know why Jonathan is getting all this love because to me, if we're in the individual challenges, the big guy should have a target on his back.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

But he's just getting to, you know, run this, this whole game. So Jonathan shakes hands with Aubrey saying like he's gonna be with her and then basically is lying to her. Of course this whole like honorable playing thing is just.

[Ryder Strong]

That's what this show seems a lot to be to me. Is everybody lying and then getting offended when correct? That's what this show seems to be to me.

[Daniel Fish]

Which is exactly what happens next is that Joe and Devins, he. And Joe tells Devins, I was never gonna lie. I was never gonna vote for you. Which is not true as far as I remember. I think you're right because he was like, why would I vote for coach? Until the last minute he was basically saying Devins, Devin's Devins.

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[Daniel Fish]

And then he walks away from this conversation with Devins and calls it growth that he hid his real intentions and how upset he was with Devins. But isn't that just learning how to be sneaky and lie to Devons and

[Ryder Strong]

also just, I guess from a societal standpoint, you should get bonus points for not walking around venting your anger at everyone.

[Daniel Fish]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

But in the game, first of all, it also, he wasn't doing a good job. He looked pissed. It's just like, you're not doing a great job at it, dude.

[Daniel Fish]

But also like, I just love how it's like. And it's similar to coach. It's like I'm playing honorably, I'm being up front. I lied to his face, which I think is a sign of my growth.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Daniel Fish]

You can't just say I'm so honorable that I looked him in the eyes and I told him a lie. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I told him I wasn't gonna break my word, but when I broke my word, I did it honestly, honoredly, like, okay, all right.

[Daniel Fish]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Gotcha.

[Daniel Fish]

It's a lot of self delusion, I think.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, just, I think that's. And again, maybe this is the difference between new and old or the way they're talking about the new school and old school. Come on, lie to everybody. Try to make it to the end. That should just be the game. That's what everybody seems to know.

[Daniel Fish]

You want to do it with a smile on your face and can maintain.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Daniel Fish]

You know, friendly. But that, to me, is going to be.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like. That's the same thing, is like, we're all here to lie to each other, find out who the traitors are. That's what's going on. So it's like, if. If you come in with, I'm going to play honorably, and then you don't. You just look like a schmuck.

[Daniel Fish]

I agree, man.

[Ryder Strong]

So, yeah. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Just. Yeah. Christian and Emily decide that they need to distance themselves from Devin's, which seems smart. So then Christian makes this offer to Jonathan, saying, I'll give you my shot in the dark, which is like a move he basically learned from his interaction with Ozzy earlier in the season. And I love that Jonathan says, okay, now I can trust you. And then I'm gonna take advantage of this, vote him out. It's like, oh, man, Christian, your move completely. You save that for the person you actually trust. Don't offer.

[Ryder Strong]

Which I just had this vision of two guys going, like, all right, I know we're supposed to have a knife fight later, but so you. Then you know that I'm cool. I'm gonna give you my knife first.

[Daniel Fish]

Like, exactly. Okay. I'm gonna stab you with both of them.

[Ryder Strong]

I was like, okay, interesting plan.

[Daniel Fish]

And then Christian goes and. And offers to get everybody water and was so transparent. Stephanie, Joe, and Jonathan, and they are just like, we're fine. We're good. Whatever.

[Ryder Strong]

I actually already filled mine. It's. It's up there, but thanks. And he's like, all right, all right, all right.

[Daniel Fish]

And then I love that he just reads it. He's like, oh, they're. They're going to take me out.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I'm just.

[Daniel Fish]

They are, dude. And then he kind of forgets for the rest of the episode. It's like, no, they're. They're going to take you out.

[Ryder Strong]

He played a weird game. If you go back and look at it all, I don't either. He played because he was one of my favorite front runners.

[Daniel Fish]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

But he played a very strange game all the way around.

[Daniel Fish]

I think he just. You know, even watching him at tribal this time, he thought he was funnier and charming than he actually was. Does that make sense?

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, 100%.

[Daniel Fish]

I think he just sort of thought people were like. I don't know, because, like, I was charmed by him early on. I do think he's very smart. I do think he's an interesting dude. I love, like, hearing him talk about his son and like why he's doing it. And he's obviously very, very smart. But there's something. I think he just kind of lost his game a little bit. I think he just lost his social and thought he still had it. And it's like, dude, you maybe need a little. Because even this like, oh, I'll get you water. It's like, that wasn't the best move, the shot in the dark. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I think he just fell apart. I agree. I agree 100%. It was, it was, it was a strange. And you don't know if this has been building or they cut this episode a different way, but he seemed just like a totally different guy. A bit frazzled this episode.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe hungry.

[Ryder Strong]

Maybe hungry. Maybe hungry.

[Daniel Fish]

So then we get to the most important moment of the episode. Moon rabbit with pancakes.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm sorry, what are these?

[Daniel Fish]

Have you ever heard about this? That if you look at the moon, you see a rabbit with pancakes versus a man in the moon? No, I have never heard this in my life.

[Ryder Strong]

I haven't heard.

[Daniel Fish]

Jonathan brings this up.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, I must have missed this part

[Daniel Fish]

because it's like a two second bit between him and Ozzy. He's like, do you see a man in the moon or do you see a rabbit with pancakes? Like a what? With who?

[Ryder Strong]

Huh?

[Daniel Fish]

Look this up. It's a real thing. Apparently in a lot of different Asian cultures. It's a, it's a, it's a rabbit with a. A pestle. Like a mortar and pestle.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, that's. There's a girl. There's a girl up there.

[Daniel Fish]

What?

[Ryder Strong]

Waiting for the. So they did this on the first. It was on Apollo 8, the original Apollo 8, as they were. It was either Apollo 8 or Apollo 11 is either when they first circumnavigated the moon or when they landed on the moon. And NASA radioed up saying it was either our Japanese or Chinese brother and whatever wanted you to keep your eyes out for a giant rabbit when you're on the moon who should be waiting for a girl to blah, blah, blah. So there, there is that story, but I didn't know that, that. Oh, I didn't know.

[Daniel Fish]

If you look at it and like if you look at the Wikipedia page, it makes it exaggerated enough for you to really see. I've never seen this before. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, pancakes I'd never heard of.

[Daniel Fish]

It's. Well, it's just basically a square. It looks like a rabbit with the ears, like way tilted over, so it's almost like a rabbit like, like arching over.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Daniel Fish]

And and then there's, like a square that he's arching over. And so I guess one ambition is that he's making pancakes. Another is that he's over a mortar and pestle. I don't know. I've never heard of this Now. I can't wait to look at the full moon again and try and find it. But Jonathan's point is that once you see one or the other, that's all you see. I've never even really seen the man in the moon, so I. Screaming for a loop.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you can kind of see that. I just wondered if. Did the Illuminati specifically paint that up there when they made the flat moon?

[Daniel Fish]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Because the moon's got to be flat, too, Right? So, yeah, I didn't know.

[Daniel Fish]

But when they punched the moon shape in the fake sky.

[Ryder Strong]

The dome in the dome. Fake sky, yes. Okay.

[Daniel Fish]

And our flat earth are looking up out of. Yeah, fair enough.

[Ryder Strong]

I didn't know how it was.

[Daniel Fish]

Anyway. I thought this was amazing and fascinating and probably the most education I got out of this episode. Great.

[Ryder Strong]

All right.

[Daniel Fish]

And then Christian starts to turn on Ozzy and refer to him as he who Shall Not Be Named.

[Ryder Strong]

Like he's Voldemort. Where did this happen?

[Daniel Fish]

I think Christian just got a little lost A little bit.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

He got a little loopy because he also was not good at the puzzle.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Daniel Fish]

Which I thought he was going to be fine at. It was. Dude, it was just like a jigsaw puzzle.

[Ryder Strong]

And I'm curious. I'm so curious if we ever get a chance to talk to him or somebody involved in the production. I'm so curious what the actual. Because again, they don't tell us what the time is. Did that take him? I mean, if it's one thing, if you've got to hit that first rope, we'll get to it. When you explain it, you got to hit that first rope and you got 90 seconds to make that puzzle. That's crazy. If it's 35 minutes and he's just moving slow, that's a completely different thing. And because they're giving us no context, it's like, how long is this? Is he going slow? Is he going fast? I couldn't tell.

[Daniel Fish]

See, they want to be able to manipulate our emotions by not showing. So you just see that. I mean, it's pretty great, though, right? The sequence, like the clanks and watching the ropes go down. So visually. And the fact that they caught a shark swimming by while one of the weights went by, I was like, oh, my God, there's like a hammerhead. That was so cool.

[Ryder Strong]

No, the whole thing was cool. I thought that the. The challenge itself was cool. I thought all that was great.

[Daniel Fish]

But I agree, man. There was no way. There was no context. It was like.

[Ryder Strong]

And there's part of me yelling, like, go faster.

[Daniel Fish]

Come on.

[Ryder Strong]

Hurry up. And then I'm like, maybe he is. Maybe. I have no idea.

[Daniel Fish]

I think the more I look at the notes, I'm like, he was kind of high. This. Like, something was off. Like, he was.

[Ryder Strong]

You're right.

[Daniel Fish]

Pretty much every move he made doesn't make sense to me. And this. Even this one, like, referring to Ozzy by huge. Like, why.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you're okay. Wrong. Wrong day to try peyote for your first time.

[Daniel Fish]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Is that where it's like. Yeah, it just. I agree with you 100%. He seemed out of it.

[Daniel Fish]

And like, to say this to Cere and not realize that Serie is, like, gonna immediately tell Ozzie, which she does. And this seals Christian's fate.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Even before the challenge.

[Ryder Strong]

Yep. Yeah, I agree with you.

[Daniel Fish]

Okay. Christian, what happened, dude?

[Ryder Strong]

I'd love to know what happens.

[Daniel Fish]

All right, so we immediately tells Ozzy. Christian's naming you, not naming you.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just have this vision. You remember the abyss? Remember Michael being in the abyss? It just. The hands. The hands slowly starts to shake first, and then he starts to lose it.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, he's getting the, like. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

What is it? The underwater. Whatever it is. The, like, the bends. No, but it's something like that.

[Daniel Fish]

Some kind of toxic, like. Yeah, you see his handshake, and he's keeping it a secret from everybody.

[Ryder Strong]

But he's got the nuclear weapon. Like, it seems to be like, he's Christian. Yes. Is Michael Biehn in the abyss? Yeah, exactly.

[Daniel Fish]

So then Seri goes and tells. She tells Ozzie, and then she tells Jonathan that Christian said him or Ozzie. Which is a lie. Right. Because Christian didn't say Jonathan.

[Ryder Strong]

Did he not? I thought he meant. No, he just talked. He who must not be named.

[Daniel Fish]

I think he said, he who must not be named, who shall not be named. Which means Sari is, like, full on. Like, that's amazing, because she's able to slip in to Jonathan. You know, Christian's throwing out Ozzie and you. So that just solidifies Jonathan's fury at Christian.

[Ryder Strong]

She does it so subtly, too.

[Daniel Fish]

I know, because I was like, maybe. And maybe he had. That's what I. Maybe I should have gone back and. Because that was my big Question. I was like, whoa. She either just fully manipulated. Manipulated the situation perfectly or she just relayed information correctly. I wasn't sure.

[Ryder Strong]

She also seems like one of those people that can lie without lying. So like if he says something like so he who must not be named, you know, who. Who is good friends with Jonathan. And then she could be like, you

[Daniel Fish]

know, he mentioned he threw out your name. Yeah, he threw it. Which he did.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. It's like I'm the. I pass a lie detector test right now.

[Daniel Fish]

But she's so smart because Ozzy and Jonathan are staying aligned in this weird way. Like, and she's kind of between the two of them being able to like

[Ryder Strong]

she set herself up perfectly with this. It's in crazy. She's the robbed Roush of this show where she's just kind of manipulating everybody.

[Daniel Fish]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

And you want. I want her to win because it doesn't seem like anybody will be going. Nobody has said her name yet. And how with everything going on, somebody doesn't go. We gotta get. Everyone's like Christian or Devins. They're the most dangerous players. Really. Serie is clearly the most dangerous player.

[Daniel Fish]

So what nobody's talking about this season is immunity challenges.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Like, Stephanie's really good at challenges. Jonathan's really good at Ozzy. Like these are the. Joe, vote these people out when you can. Like, you know, because they're going to keep getting immunity and somebody like siree is not going to get immunity. So actually like, you know, but they're not talking. They're not voting out her or Christian but they should be voting out the. The immunity beasts because those people end up winning because they get to the final three just by staying alive, you know, with.

[Ryder Strong]

Do they ever do really weird things like a challenge where it's like loser leaves. It's not even. You're up for immunity, you're up for elimination. You're out off the show.

[Daniel Fish]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay. That never. So you can't ever lose and be gone.

[Daniel Fish]

Gotcha. You can only lose and be gone by the. By the fire challenge, like at the end when it's come down to a like because then that means you're literally not. It's like a new challenge and it's just who's going to make the fire faster. So in that moment you are limited for the fire challenge, but otherwise no.

[Ryder Strong]

And they do that every year. The fire challenge.

[Daniel Fish]

Not every year. It's like what happens is when it gets down to three people or I'm going to screw this up so I'm Sorry. I think what it is is that if when it gets down to three people, you could vote one out or agree to a fire challenge.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, gotcha.

[Daniel Fish]

Okay, so it's kind of whoever wins the immunity could be like, I can't pick between the two people left. You guys go to fire. Or they could be like, this person's my number two, and you're out. So they usually go to fire. So it's happened almost every season.

[Ryder Strong]

Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay.

[Kal Penn]

Hey, everyone. It's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive Sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me, and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh, my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

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[Daniel Fish]

We get to the challenge. Crazy crank bucket thing.

[Ryder Strong]

Bucket crank fat Challenge. So how much fat? Quarter of how much fat you had

[Daniel Fish]

before you had 25% of your pre show weight.

[Ryder Strong]

This is a Big Brother challenge. You remember the show Big Brother? Yeah, Big Brother. So they would be there for like six weeks, however, and then one of their challenges was you'd sit at the bottom of a hill and you'd have to wear a vest that weighed how much weight you've lost since you've been there. And there's people that have lost like a hundred pounds since they've been there. So you have to put on a hundred pound because that's not Big Brother. Excuse me, Biggest Loser. Okay, yeah, not Big Brother.

[Daniel Fish]

It's like Big Brother, you're losing hundreds of pounds.

[Ryder Strong]

No Biggest Loser. Where it's like they'd lose that and then you have to run the weight up the hill of, like, how much you've lost. Ye. Yeah. So I thought about that. I'm like, oh, it's like biggest loser where it's like how much weight you've lost is in the bucket now, right? Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

This is a classic challenge they've done a lot of times, and it's one of those things that just looks. It's not that exciting to watch. And it doesn't look like much, but I guess it's really freaking hard.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, dude. Forearm stuff. That's like rock climber stuff. You've ever tried that?

[Daniel Fish]

This is Charlie who got eliminated earlier this season. He was the guy who. I think I'd mentioned it was him and somebody who likes specifically focused on parts of their body that they knew. Survivors and forearms was a big one. Because there's a lot of challenges that are just like this, where it's like. It all comes down to, like, just hanging on by a little bit of strength and one muscle. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Did you watch free solo? Yeah. Where he's just doing, like, pull ups with just his fingers and stuff like that. That's insane. That strength.

[Daniel Fish]

Nuts. So then they offer this bowl of rice and Jeff goes through his whole rigmarole of like, here's where I'd usually do this and I'd usually do that, but this time I'm gonna offer to run the challenge. And this is where. I don't understand.

[Ryder Strong]

You didn't like this.

[Daniel Fish]

Well, here's my thing. Why wouldn't they take this side? Bet there's literally no incentive for them to not do it.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I guess that's true.

[Daniel Fish]

I didn't.

[Ryder Strong]

It's not like you have to give back something or you have to give me an idol or something like that. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

It was the dumbest setup. I was like, so. Because he's like, who's gonna do it? And I was like, well, some. Like, why not?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you're right. There's no losing side. You can't possibly lose.

[Daniel Fish]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you're 100% right. I didn't even think about that.

[Daniel Fish]

You just either don't get the rice,

[Ryder Strong]

which you wouldn't have anyway.

[Daniel Fish]

Which you wouldn't anyway. So take the challenge. It was so weird. I was like, there needs to. I was. It was like, there's nothing. It was just a weirdest setup. I was like, they could either, like, not participate in the challenge or, you know, like, there's usually some incentive to give up the rice. Which is what? Cause usually what is they sit out of the challenge, they say, I am going to not have a chance at immunity to give the rest of the tribe rice. And they need five of them to agree to that.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, right, Right. That's what he said. Okay.

[Daniel Fish]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Which makes sense. That's something. You're giving something up.

[Daniel Fish]

I'm gonna be. I'm gonna take one for the team. I'm not gonna give immunity. So you'd see people like Sere or Rizzo, people who maybe are not physically gonna keep up anyway, offer up. They'll say, look, tribe, I'm doing this for you. Don't vote me out tonight. So it would give somebody like Christian a chance who he knows he's on the lower tier.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Daniel Fish]

He could say, I'll help get the rice. But in this scenario, as a side bet with Jeff, the strongest people are going to take that and there's no alternative. So weird.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Okay. I didn't gotta even think about that. You're right.

[Daniel Fish]

It ruined the whole point of the whole thing.

[Ryder Strong]

You literally couldn't lose.

[Daniel Fish]

No. They were just gonna get the bowl of rice unless Jeff failed, which seemed unlikely. Like he's, you know these people, especially with somebody like Joe who's done it for an hour, like it was the weirdest thing.

[Ryder Strong]

But only one of them had to. Had to drop their bucket and then Jeff would have won.

[Daniel Fish]

Oh, right.

[Ryder Strong]

But still.

[Daniel Fish]

But still, why not take that chance?

[Ryder Strong]

Right? You don't. They were literally offering up nothing in return. I didn't even think about that. You're 100% right. It's a pointless challenge.

[Daniel Fish]

Pointless challenge. Pointless side bet.

[Ryder Strong]

Still want to play? Still want to do this at a game one time.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah. And then Jeff says it was Jimmy Fallon's idea.

[Ryder Strong]

Of course.

[Daniel Fish]

Of course, of course. Which this, you know, this is like I was saying about that article, it just kind of makes the whole Survivor feel more friendly and spectacle based than like a real, like sort of hardcore social experiment. Which is what I think it started as.

[Ryder Strong]

It's certainly not that now. I mean, as somebody just coming into it. It's certainly not a hardcore anything.

[Daniel Fish]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

If I'm on it, it's a hardcore hunger challenge.

[Daniel Fish]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Is what it seems like. Let's sit on an island and get hungry and be catty to see who we're gonna vote off while we're hungry. And maybe. And during the day we're gonna get an hour to maybe win some food.

[Daniel Fish]

Right. I just, I think, like, what last. Like last episode with Saree's breakdown, like there's still, some moments where you're like, oh, people are really stretched their limit. It's just too bad that it's. Yeah, yeah. It feels very, like, just entertainment focused, you know, it's just very much like, yeah, who knows? We all. Inside baseball, sort of. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, Susan said something really interesting as we were watching. She's like, you know what this show does to me? She goes, it just makes me miss alone. Because we haven't watched it in a while. And I was like, you're right. It makes me miss alone. It makes me miss seeing that actual. The perseverance, which is not what this show is about. And I get. That's not what the show is about. It's about. It's a game show. I mean, it's a game show that takes place on an island, and I totally understand that.

[Daniel Fish]

I think it used to be. It used to have this element of, like, you know, especially when the tribes would start, like, getting to know each other, not just to outplay one another, which is kind of all it is now, but to also need each other to survive, you know, like, oh, we're going to help each other out on this beach, and we're going to get through this. Incredibly. That's gone. It's just outplaying one another. It's just. Yeah, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, it's. I imagine it's the difference in, you know, a show about chess, where the first season is, you get to learn the players, you get to learn how to play chess. You get to. And the second season is just taking the two best chess players and it's just sitting them down at a table and playing chess.

[Daniel Fish]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

That's great. I like watching Plague, but these people all know each other.

[Daniel Fish]

Exciting. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

You know what I mean? It's just not the same, so.

[Daniel Fish]

And I think you're right. Like, when we get this montage right now of Jeff's trash talking, it does kind of bring you back to, like, oh, this used to be a little hard. More hardcore.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. All right.

[Daniel Fish]

This challenge Jeff flails at makes it seven minutes. I like that. Obviously, he's a great guy. He's willing to admit, like, how this is hard. Did not expect it to be this hard. So I think that was good for him to experience and cool for us as an audience to see a little bit of, like. Right. Because we also take it for granted that these people are working that hard.

[Ryder Strong]

And they're right, by the way. He's like, yes, yes. It's true. He's the oldest, but you could see first of all, he's in very good shape. He's eaten, he showered. So to do that and to be beaten by what, five or six people, he's like, oh my God. Most of you would have beaten me. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

He could have also trained a little bit for this. Like he knows that this is coming.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. And all people are tired and hungry and sun, sun beaten down and yeah,

[Daniel Fish]

they were killing him. They just kicked his ass.

[Ryder Strong]

They also had way more incentive though.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, totally. It comes down to Ozzy and Joe. And Joe just doesn't even seem phased.

[Ryder Strong]

He didn't even look like he budged the whole time it was there. It was insane.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, he's got like popeye forearms.

[Ryder Strong]

And you know who else did awesome was Tiffany.

[Daniel Fish]

Who?

[Ryder Strong]

It looked like she wasn't moving either.

[Daniel Fish]

I know, but then it kind of snapped on her and it just looked like it broke. No, it didn't break. I think it just. It popped off. It's just a little. It's like an eye, a fish eye, you know, fish eye hook. What do you call that? The shy hook?

[Ryder Strong]

I think so, yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

It's just a loop in the rope wrapped on a little peg. And when the peg is. Is gets turned too far, it just pops off.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

And so I think it's just with sweaty palms because it seemed like she was in charge of like, she seemed like, not that, you know, stressed out, but I think it slipped through.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, it looked like she was killing it too.

[Daniel Fish]

So Joe wins and then he has to pick someone for a journey and he can't decide, so he does Rock, paper, scissors.

[Ryder Strong]

Honorable but man, could that be.

[Daniel Fish]

Which brings us to our most. Our second most important part besides the moon rabbit. Do you know what Rochambeau is? Uh huh. You do?

[Ryder Strong]

We always called it Rochambeau growing up.

[Daniel Fish]

You did okay. So did I. But so many people have looked at me like I'm a crazy person when I'm like. You wrote Shambeau for it. Correct. And then here's the important question. Do you go rocham bo. And on the third one you show, right. Like whether your scissors.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Or do you. One, two, pop.

[Ryder Strong]

One, two, pop.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah. Rochambeau, right?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Whereas what rock, paper, scissors people do is rock, paper, scissors. Shoot. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Or rock, paper, scissors match. Rock, paper, scissors match. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we always did. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. But I've said Rochambeau and I looked it up and apparently it's more of a west coast thing, so I didn't expect you to Know it either. Yeah, of course.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, it's based after Rochambeau, who was the French patriot who helped during the Revolutionary War.

[Daniel Fish]

That's the rumor.

[Ryder Strong]

Is there another Roamo that you know of?

[Daniel Fish]

No, but, but, but there's no real, like, necessary, like, no one's ever been,

[Ryder Strong]

like, correlation between the two. Oh.

[Daniel Fish]

Because I think the way that Roambeau is spelled is, like, completely different.

[Ryder Strong]

Really? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I thought it had something to do with. Because you have to. Rochambeau was. Was there when Hamilton was. It was like, all part of the whole final battle, and they had to pull the.

[Daniel Fish]

The.

[Ryder Strong]

The powder out of their gun so they didn't accidentally chew something off. And there was something with Rochambeau there. I thought it all had to do with that kind of thing. I get that. Could be wrong.

[Daniel Fish]

Maybe I should do some more research. I looked this up after this episode, and all I could find is, like, there's actually no confirmation. Because other people think it's like, oh, it's a Japanese term. That's why it's on the west coast of America. And it's like, no, it's not Japanese at all. They call it something completely different.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, we always called it Rochambeau growing up.

[Daniel Fish]

Me too. Okay, interesting. Very important.

[Ryder Strong]

It's an urban legend that it has anything to do with Rochambeau the revolutionary. Interesting.

[Daniel Fish]

All right. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Gotta find out where that's from.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Send your emails to danielfishlpodmeetsworld.com.

[Daniel Fish]

well, I'm just going to stick with my contention that Rochambeau is what it should be called. Calling the game rock, paper, scissors when that's what you do. Like, come on, let's be more sophisticated, people. Give it a nice title. Rochambeau. I like it. It just flows.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, because it'd be like calling X, you know, tic tac toe, X's and O's on paper.

[Daniel Fish]

Exactly, exactly. Come up with a name for the game. Give it a name. A proper name.

[Ryder Strong]

100%.

[Daniel Fish]

All right. Back at camp, Cere and Emily get into a rice fight.

[Ryder Strong]

I was. I got to be honest with you here. I was team Emily on this one. Really, I was. It sounded. It sounded like five cups of rice is a ridiculous amount of rice when you're starving.

[Daniel Fish]

This was just such a funny moment for me because I can't make rice. Like, I just. I never.

[Ryder Strong]

You don't have a rice maker?

[Daniel Fish]

No, I have all the things. I can't do it. Like, my wife makes perfect rice every time. Like, she's just One of those people. And when I go backpacking, I usually go with the same group of guys, and we've been going backpacking since we were teenagers together. And Matt makes the rice. Cause Matt knows how to make rice.

[Ryder Strong]

Half a cup of rice to one cup of water.

[Daniel Fish]

It's not even that. It's like, you can tell me the ratio, and I still just make mush or, like, crunchy rice. I can't do it. And Matt. If you ask Matt, like, I will ask him. I was like, wait, wait, wait. What is the. He's like, he just knows. It's just, like, in his blood, and then he doesn't even check it. Do you know what I mean?

[Ryder Strong]

Two to one.

[Daniel Fish]

Yes. But then he just puts it on a pot on an open flame, and it's perfect.

[Ryder Strong]

And it's perfect every time. Some people can just do it.

[Daniel Fish]

Yes. That's the way. Serious. She doesn't want to talk about it. She doesn't want to explain it to Emily. She's like, I make rice. I make rice. I'm going to make the rice.

[Ryder Strong]

I think they were talking about two different things, because Emily, it sounded like, like, cere was like, I know how to make the rice. Don't tell me how to make rice. And Emily was trying. You're making too much rice.

[Daniel Fish]

Yes, I agree, dude.

[Ryder Strong]

And I think that's what I thought it was. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

But it was super funny that Siri was all like, no, no, no.

[Ryder Strong]

So she's like. Because she's like, if she said one more thing about the rice, I was gonna write down her name that night. I know that was it. That's all it's gonna be. She writes, and I'm putting her name down.

[Daniel Fish]

I think Emily was just trying to ration and think, like, do we. We should plan this out a little bit more. Can we count out how many cups you're planning on making? And I think you're right.

[Ryder Strong]

Five cups of rice is a lot of rice for 11 people. I mean, again, it's 11 very hungry people. So I could get it, but it

[Daniel Fish]

looked a little mushy.

[Ryder Strong]

It. Not only that, but they all had, like, piles of it in front of us.

[Daniel Fish]

Had too much. Yeah, exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Tony Montana cocaine mounds in front of them. Yeah, exactly.

[Daniel Fish]

Maybe listen to the.

[Ryder Strong]

Now, see, this was a Survivor moment that I very much remember. It was, I think, season one, because it's the only one I saw. It was either season one or I saw part of season two. One of the contestants was a chef, and you were allowed to bring like, an item that you wanted, and he brought, like, some kind of seasoning. So he's like, I'll make the rice. I'm a chef. And he up the rice, and everyone was like, dude, you're like, he burned it. It was all stuck to the thing. And they're like, you're literally a chef.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, but how often has he cooked on a beach in, like, an open flame with, like, bamboo utensils?

[Ryder Strong]

I know, I know, but still, it was like. Like, they give it to the chef. He's got his one, like, Mrs. Dash thing there, and he up the whole thing. Right.

[Daniel Fish]

I went on a. I went on a overnight canoeing trip for a bachelor party once. And, you know, so we, like, went to this island. Some of us were in canoes, some of us were in kayaks. And, like, we get to this island, and one of the guys was a really good chef, and I shit you not, it was the best steak of my life. Like, we're on. We, like, canoe and, like, make it. We boat to this island. We're in the middle of nowhere, and we build a fire.

[Ryder Strong]

He went.

[Daniel Fish]

Not only did he make steaks for us, it was the right season for us to collect mussels. So we got collected mussels on the beach. He knew that it was safe, made us mussels, and then made us steaks. And it was like. It was just, like, the best meal you've ever.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah. Because you're so hungry. You're in the middle of, like, nowhere, and you're like, did you really just pull this off? It was amazing. Those are the people you go backpacking and canoeing with, man.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, I can still remember the people. Best cup of coffee I've ever had in my life was on a hike, and a teacher at my high school made it over the fire, and I was like, this is the best cup of coffee I've ever had in my life.

[Daniel Fish]

You know what you're doing? Oh, so good. But, yeah, I guess it is a different skill. Like, you. You can be a chef in a. In a nice kitchen, but being a chef in the wilderness is its own thing.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. I follow somebody on Instagram, my Finstagram, who's a chef. You just see his hands, and all he does is cook over an open flame while. While hiking or camping. And he always starts by finding the best flat, flat rock and cleaning it in a river. And then he just puts that on and then cooks these amazing. Like, he makes homemade bread. Like, he does everything.

[Daniel Fish]

Send that to me. I should be. I should be watching this guy because I would love to be that guy in my group, you know?

[Ryder Strong]

It's awesome. Yeah, Looks great.

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[Ray Porter]

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[Daniel Fish]

All right, so then after the rice fight. Tiff. Tiff tells Devin that he needs to play his idol, which, of course, he doesn't have one. And Jonathan just starts rallying everyone against Christian. Meanwhile, Christian gets his note from Jimmy Fallon, gets this one in the urn game if he solves the puzzle in time. Okay, whatever. Christian crumbles. And then he has this thing, which is the weirdest quote. He goes. I don't think most people understand how often smart people feel stupid. Which was a really weird. I was like, thinking it was like, okay, in order to say that, which I get, dude. But you got. You're basically calling yourself a really smart person, which I guess he is. He is.

[Ryder Strong]

But it's still. It is. Clearly. Yeah. There's also something. There's a big. There's a big kind of. Narcissism isn't the right word, but an ego to sitting there and going like. It's the equivalent of just like a supermodel sitting down and being like, sometimes really beautiful people really think we're ugly.

[Daniel Fish]

And it's like, okay, it's hard to be this beautiful.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Daniel Fish]

I think he was. Yeah, she's a little out of it.

[Ryder Strong]

I agree with you 100%. He was so likable up to this episode. I think he was starting to lose it a little bit. I really do.

[Daniel Fish]

Cool. Yeah. He's, like, looking around and just seeing everybody as drumsticks. You know, in cartoons when that happens when you're on the raft suddenly becomes,

[Ryder Strong]

what's going on, buddy? Everything all right?

[Daniel Fish]

That was. That was him. This. He's just looking around, seeing they're all

[Ryder Strong]

pick like pickle heads and giant cheeseburgers. What's going on, bud?

[Daniel Fish]

What's. Everything okay? You okay?

[Ryder Strong]

Looking a little strange there, pal. This is the cheese flapping. Why.

[Daniel Fish]

Why are you drooling?

[Ryder Strong]

Why are you staring at me like that, man?

[Daniel Fish]

All right, so he's gotta read this note back at everyone at camp.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, wait, let's talk about this very. Just so he has the challenge where he's got to put together a puzzle, and I would love to speak to him because I want to know how long it took. Yeah, I want to know, was he on that thing for an hour? Was it five minutes?

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah. What I was thinking as it was going, because I was looking at the puzzle, I was like, this is the classic jigsaw puzzle thing, is that it gets quicker as it goes, right? Because you have less options. Like, you're just literally running out of pieces. So, of course, it' a good game in that it's like, it's going to seem stressful because you're going to use the first half just to get your rhythm going, and then it's going to actually come together quick. So I was like, oh, he's going to make this.

[Ryder Strong]

It's not, though. It's actually if anybody who does puzzles, and especially this is why they make puzzles square. They make puzzles square because. All right, now you have to go through and you have to get all your border pieces. This puzzle was an oval. Just take the rounded pieces first and make your outline.

[Daniel Fish]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

He never. He never tried to do that.

[Daniel Fish]

Well, I don't think you can.

[Ryder Strong]

Why?

[Daniel Fish]

Because I think it needs the interior to hold it together.

[Ryder Strong]

I think they. He had some that you could have. It looked like you could have made the rounded pieces and then put the four in the middle. Maybe, like, it seemed like that would have been. He was trying to see he did the wrong thing, which you never do. You go by color, you go by shape, and you go by border. He's trying to go by. It's like, oh, the words for the fans. Where's the four? Then you're spending all your time Trying to find something. Look for shapes. Curve shape, curve shape, curve shape. These. Curve shape. Go here, build it next to you. Curve shape there, shape there. And then, boom, put it right up there. Ooh, Ooh.

[Daniel Fish]

We hear it from our producer, Matic. Christian had five minutes to solve the logo puzzle.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay. That's not a ton of time, and

[Daniel Fish]

that's gonna go real fast out there. Yeah. I thought he was gonna make it. I was watching. I was like, yeah, it's looking close, but. But near the end. You should race through it. And he just didn't agree.

[Ryder Strong]

And he seemed to be going. And again, it could have been the way they shot it or whatever, but it seemed a bit of a snail's pace to me. And I know that every. I was thinking about this line and I had came into my head. I was like, oh, I gotta tell Ryder this tomorrow. I bet you every single challenge on Survivor is amazingly easy from your couch.

[Daniel Fish]

Oh, totally. Well, that's the thing with, like, with Jeff doing the thing. That's why it was cool to see. Maybe they should do that. Maybe they should just bring in, like, a normal person for every challenge to watch them go through it and just be like, if you haven't been, you know, if you are just a person showing up and trying to do it.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. The next one should be, like, overachievers versus couch potatoes and just see what it's like. Let's see what happens.

[Daniel Fish]

You know, they used to do stuff like that. Like, I told you, they. They divided them by race one time. They divided them by class. They divided them by age, generation. Which, though I think those are really fun because I think they were. You know, even if they don't reveal truths, they get in people's heads and they focus the discussion. Cause suddenly everybody's talking about what jobs they have back at home or what does it mean to be a part of a race. It's super interesting. It might not say something great and it might be uncomfortable, but I also think it's kind of cool to have it out. And I feel like they've gotten scared of those. I feel like it's gotten much safer and a little snaking in its own tail now. It's like Survivor's about Survivor.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

Do you know what I mean? Like, Survivor's not about. It's not saying anything else about the world or about people or about. Yeah, it's saying a lot about Survivor playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the takeaway right now. Yeah. Too bad when Christian crumbles here was when I really. Just the look in his eyes, I was like, he's a little out of here.

[Ryder Strong]

I think so.

[Daniel Fish]

I think you're right. Yeah. So the more we're talking about it,

[Ryder Strong]

just a giant lobster sitting next to him, putting his arm around him like, you're all right, Chris.

[Daniel Fish]

She's hearing voices.

[Ryder Strong]

Exactly. That's what I'm thinking.

[Daniel Fish]

Because even the way he's physically moving, this episode was a little off. So.

[Ryder Strong]

I agree.

[Daniel Fish]

I agree.

[Ryder Strong]

We have come far afield from the guy who shit himself.

[Daniel Fish]

Yes. He didn't start off amazing. Comes back, he's got to read his shame note at camp, which now he has to vote for himself for the first time in history, which is harsh. And so now he's scrambling. He still gives a shot in the dark to Jonathan, which is a useless

[Ryder Strong]

gesture because he can't. His vote is already right.

[Daniel Fish]

That's what he says. Right? Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like. It's the craziest thing in the world. It's like. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

And then Emily makes this play, going to Sari and saying they should vote out Ozzie, which Soree and Tiff immediately tell Ozzy, that's not gonna work, Emily. And then Rizzo tells them, let's just keep voting for Christian. And then they're just all over the place. There's Devin's talk between the group, then it's really between Christian and now maybe Emily kind of goes back and forth. Seems like it's mostly going into the tribal. It's Christian and Emily, and then, yeah, Christian tells the story of tribal. I think it just kind of doesn't go over that well.

[Ryder Strong]

I. I had a thought, though. I think he knew, and I could be totally wrong. I think he knew he was gonna be voted off. Yeah. And I think he wanted to go on the Tonight Show.

[Daniel Fish]

Right. So he just wants to make a. Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Make a thing about him and Jimmy Fallon and I'm coming for you, Fallon and all that kind of stuff. I think he. He's like, I want to. I want to go on the Tonight Show.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah. At least let me. Yeah. But everybody's sort of like. Even Jeffers. Like, what are you. What are you getting at? Where.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Daniel Fish]

He's like, just tell us what happened or not.

[Ryder Strong]

He's like, normally, you're very funny and I understand you, but I kind of don't know what you. Yes.

[Daniel Fish]

He's loopy. Loopy.

[Ryder Strong]

He is.

[Daniel Fish]

He's loopy. He's loopy.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

So, yeah, in the end, Christian was voted out and My big question was who were the two votes for Ozzy?

[Ryder Strong]

Did they not show it at the end?

[Daniel Fish]

They did and it was Emily who was the one telling everybody to vote for Ozzy and devens, which tells me that these were the two people left out of the loop, which means they're the two people probably on the chopping ball, which is too bad because I like both of them. I don't and I. It's now it's just this old school popularity game. Like they're just not as they're not friends with everybody. And Emily has really flip flopped a lot and spoken out of turn. Right. She's the one who's just like admitted what the plan is to whoever saree is voting for.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, that's all it is. Don't tell Sari who you're gonna vote for. Go up and go, hey, siree, what are you thinking? That's it. That's. There's. You're at least gonna get to the final four or five.

[Ray Porter]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Before that. Before she decides to turn on you. I mean, that's it.

[Daniel Fish]

So you. Are you. At this point you just think the Riz szard. What is it?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. The wizard of ozzy, sir rizzard of

[Daniel Fish]

Ozzy, sir rizzard of ozzy is just going to happen.

[Ryder Strong]

Of course.

[Daniel Fish]

Yeah, of course.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, they've got the numbers now. They still have an extra vote and two idols. Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

I just can't believe that Emily chose Ozzy because at this point if she had said Jonathan to Ceri, it could have worked because Cerie, if everyone was going to vote Christian, everyone's thinking Christian include, you know, meaning Stephanie and that's another chance to get out coach and Chrissy kind of game. I think siree would have said to Emily, let's go Jonathan, because they have the votes for that. They have Devins and Emily and then Siri, Ozzy and Rizzo. Rizzo would have been the one probably because he's still in both camps. He's in everybody's camp. He would have been the hard one. But otherwise, like, you know, but unfortunately Emily said Ozzy and I don't know why.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know either. Why is she. No, I don't. I don't get it either. I don't know what's going on. And then I honestly thought there was going to be a chance that she was going to go and then nobody voted for her.

[Daniel Fish]

Nope. Like not a single person. Stick with Christian.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, well, siree decided it wasn't time.

[Daniel Fish]

You're Right.

[Ryder Strong]

It's true. I mean, that's what it is. Like, how is this. How. This is not the first person you kick off the game. I never understand, but.

[Daniel Fish]

Well, we'll see. It could. It could. Could turn on her. It could turn on her, you know, because all it takes is everyone realizing what exactly what you're saying. Do you know what I mean? Right now they still think of her as like the. The fun loving, like everybody's best friend.

[Ryder Strong]

And I just hear guy going, do you not watch the show? Like, have you never seen this show? Yeah.

[Daniel Fish]

All right, well, that wraps up our episode. Unless you've got a survivor to tell me about.

[Ryder Strong]

Of course I do.

[Daniel Fish]

Just right off the top of your head, you got this.

[Ryder Strong]

Of course.

[Daniel Fish]

Of course.

[Ryder Strong]

My head is an amazing place to be. Giant lobster man.

[Daniel Fish]

It's Will's history of people surviving stuff. It was a little disco y.

[Ryder Strong]

Thank you. Well, I'm trying to go a little 70s. We're talking today about 1994 ultra marathon runner Mauro Prosperi, who became lost during the grueling marathon disables in the Sahara desert. For nine days, he faced blistering heat, dehydration, and disorientation. To survive prosperity resorted to drinking bat blood and eating whatever he could find, ultimately covering an astonishing 186 miles before being rescued. His ordeal stands as a remarkable example of ingenuity and human survival against some of the harshest elements on earth. If you want any more details, you can check either my brain or the article on runner's brain world.

[Daniel Fish]

Wow. So he's like catching bats at night

[Ryder Strong]

and like drinking their blood, eating them and stuff.

[Daniel Fish]

Like, yeah, hardcore.

[Ryder Strong]

That's like the guy from alone who. Who ran out with the tiny little knife and killed that 8,000.

[Daniel Fish]

Took out like a muskox or whatever it was, and then.

[Ryder Strong]

And then was just eating the stomach contents in his house. I'm like, you're not beating that guy. You're not. That guy's going to live there for 12 years. You're not beating that guy. Oh, so, yeah, you're bit. Bat blood. Drinking bat blood in the middle of the Sahara desert. Very similar to the way.

[Daniel Fish]

How do you go back to normal marathons after that? You're just like, like again, though, it's

[Ryder Strong]

the idea of just being an enemy. The first guy who ran a marathon did it to tell his king about a battle. And when he landed in front of his king, finally he died. He literally dropped dead at the king's feet. And everyone's like, I want to do that for fun on Saturday?

[Daniel Fish]

I know, like, the people that do ultra marathons where they're like, do one marathon, then right into the next one, I'm like, I'm sorry.

[Ryder Strong]

You're or 50, 100 miles. My brother Gary used to do those, and he'd be like, I ran 120 miles.

[Daniel Fish]

I'm like, why? Why? Why so miserable?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, Nothing.

[Daniel Fish]

So not fun.

[Ryder Strong]

Nothing.

[Daniel Fish]

All right, you've been listening to Pod meets Twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time at Tribal Trap youp're smok.

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