Rider Strong (3:33)

I like the long pause after the giant buildup. That's awesome.

Will Friedle (3:36)

I know. It's a long intro. It's a lot.

Rider Strong (3:38)

I love it.

Will Friedle (3:39)

And the outro is like two sentences. I know. The outros probably should be more and this should be less.

Rider Strong (3:44)

Again, Again. The foreplay is always, always longer than post coitus. Everybody knows that.

Will Friedle (3:49)

My. My biggest takeaway feeling, my overwhelming feeling right now, this week after this episode and I'm not sure why is that. I want to be on Survivor after this week.

Rider Strong (4:01)

I don't disagree.

Will Friedle (4:02)

Really? Yeah.

Rider Strong (4:03)

I don't. This was a very fun. On the edge of my seat.

Will Friedle (4:07)

Totally.

Rider Strong (4:08)

I now know everybody's name instantly. I'm in on their stories.

Will Friedle (4:12)

I'm in. I'm in. Okay.

Kal Penn (4:13)

Wow.

Will Friedle (4:13)

Great. So I think, I think, yeah, I'm just sitting there going like, no, I think I could do this. And I think I would have a lot of fun doing that.

Rider Strong (4:20)

I think you might have been a bit like Steph, though, where people would cut to a talking head, like, ryder can't lie to me. So every time he does, he's fidgeting.

Will Friedle (4:27)

Oh, God, look at him. He's so. No, but there's a way to play knowing that, you know, like, I think Ozzy is playing very straightforward game where he's not lying to anybody's face. But he's also not so confrontational that when he confronts people, they still kind of like him.

Rider Strong (4:40)

Rizzo's another interesting way to go about

Will Friedle (4:41)

Rizzo another way too. Rizzo's like, hey, this is a game. I'm playing the game. Even Devin's like, I think it's when you start getting too personal, which is another problem I would have.

Rider Strong (4:51)

Rizzo takes it to another level, though, and it's the way I would play, which is childlike wonderment. Oh, totally. So you can't kick off the four year old. They're having too much fun.

Will Friedle (5:02)

Totally.

Rider Strong (5:03)

And so when you go in with like, this is the best. I just can't believe I'm just Having a good time, and I get to work with everybody and, oh, my God, I ate a coconut today.

Will Friedle (5:10)

No one believes you're a psychopath. Like, you actually are. Exactly.

Rider Strong (5:14)

Who wants to kick that person off?

Will Friedle (5:15)

You just.

Rider Strong (5:16)

You never know, man.

Will Friedle (5:17)

I think they're just playing it well. Maybe it's just this point of the season when everybody's, like, crying because of the letters they get from home, and it just feels real. And I just cannot believe that every single person looks at it as, like, the greatest adventure that they've had. And, like, they see it as, like, this accomplishment that proves something about themselves to themselves. And I just. Where I'm at right now, I thought I would never want to be on Survivor. Really? I mean, you fantasize about it, like, everybody does, I think, to a certain extent when you're watching it. But for some reason this week, I was like, I think I could actually use this. I could do this and be good at this and, like, it would be healthy for me. And I don't know how seriously to take that. We'll see how I feel in a week. But for now, that's my feeling, is that I would actually like to be on Survivor. And I think.

Rider Strong (6:03)

I think it's really interesting. I'm completely coming around on it. Again, the thing that hit me this week was because. And again, this is on me because I'm coming in in the season where I'm supposed to know all this stuff. But now they've been on. They said this was day 19. So your 19 days of hunger and all that stuff. As your body shuts down, you have to keep your mind sharp.

Will Friedle (6:24)

Yeah.

Rider Strong (6:25)

And so it was like, at one point, Devin's is like, okay, don't react out of anger. When I react out of anger, bad things happen. So you have to, like, in a more starvation state, continue to remind yourself that the game, while having a lot of physical attributes, is ultimately cerebral.

Will Friedle (6:41)

Yes. And social.

Rider Strong (6:43)

Yes. And as that starts to shut down, that's when people make mistakes. We talked about that last week with Christian where it looked like he was

Will Friedle (6:48)

losing it a little bit, like, actually kind of lost it. And I think that's what. I don't. That's what I miss in Traitors or, like, that's why I've never watched Big Brothers. Cause I'm like, well, if you're just in a house.

Rider Strong (6:57)

Right. I don't know. Like, there's this.

Will Friedle (6:59)

There's something about this struggle that these people are putting their bodies and their minds through that I don't Know, that's appealing to me, you know, I mean, this is. I go backpacking, you know, where you go into the wilderness intentionally to test yourself and to get to a place where you're like. Like, the shower you take when you come back from, like, five days of backpacking is the greatest shower you've ever. You know? And it's, like, makes you appreciate it. It's like, the food tastes so good again. Like, I just. I. You know, and I was watching them. I think that's maybe what we had, too. Like, watching them eat, like, you know, a cracker with hummus, and they're just like, this is. You're just like, yes. So awesome.

Rider Strong (7:34)

I was so happy when I saw it when I was sitting there with sue, and I was like, oh, this

Will Friedle (7:38)

is what Ryder's telling me about.

Rider Strong (7:39)

It's the auction.

Will Friedle (7:39)

It's the auction this week. Had a lot of the big. The big hits. So great episode, letters. Yeah, it's a great episode, and I think you're right, too. We're just getting to the numbers where you can wrap your head around all the people. It probably feels a little less gossipy because now you know what they're talking about. You know, their characters. So. Yeah.

Rider Strong (7:55)

But it's also. It's fun because it might seem a little less gossipy, but as the hungrier they're getting and the more they're trying to maintain some sense of, like, mental acuity, the paranoia also kicks in.

Will Friedle (8:06)

I know.

Rider Strong (8:07)

So then it's. Wait, what did they say? Who said this to me?

Will Friedle (8:09)

I had no idea how they were going to vote, man. I was like, that was chaos.

Rider Strong (8:13)

And people just flat out lying. And I'm starting. Starting to not like certain people because they lied. And, like, wait a minute. My crush has totally changed.

Will Friedle (8:20)

Yeah.

Rider Strong (8:20)

So, yeah, I mean, it's been.

Will Friedle (8:22)

It's.

Rider Strong (8:22)

I have a whole new crush, by the way. We'll get into that.

Will Friedle (8:24)

All right. So coming off of the last episode where Jeff participated and realized how hard his own show actually is, Christian lost his puzzle, had to write his own name down. Emily made a move for Ozzy. Cerise never was going to do that and told everyone. So they pivoted to Christian, and Christian is out. Back at camp, you know, Ozzy talks about being happy that he has finally learned how to build alliance and have social skills, which is great because he would have been knocked off in any other season, I think, at exactly this point. So he's totally right.

Rider Strong (8:55)

It's Happy Gilmore. Did you see Happy Gilmore? No. Oh, you never Saw Happy Gilmore.

Will Friedle (9:00)

You never saw the first one? I don't think so.

Rider Strong (9:01)

I've seen.

Will Friedle (9:01)

Isn't that the scene where he beats up a golf player at one point?

Rider Strong (9:04)

No, he beats up Bob Barker.

Will Friedle (9:06)

Okay, I've seen that scene for whatever reason, but I don't know anything else about the movie.

Rider Strong (9:09)

It's a hysterical movie. And he can drive the ball farther than anybody, and he can hit the ball farther than anybody, but he can't. He has no short game. So at the end, he, like, he does this thing where he pulls out this putter and he hits a putt, and he makes it from, like, 30ft away. And he looks up, he goes, uh, oh, Happy learned how to putt. And that's what I thought about with Ozzy, where it's like, he's got all the physical attributes that I breathe, and it's like, uh, oh, Ozzy learns how to play. Exactly.

Will Friedle (9:34)

No, man, I'm. I'm still just fully in the bag for him. Me.

Rider Strong (9:38)

And he's my favorite, too.

Will Friedle (9:39)

Like, watching him basically tell Emily and Devin's off to their face without really telling them off. He's just like, all right, you snaked me. You were kind of. You did it. You wrote my name down. I'm still gonna have to work with you. And, like, they all managed to be okay with it. I mean, granted, they still turned on him in the course of this episode, but ultimately, I think it's the way to play, you know, to be like, hey, that sucked that you did that. But I'm not gonna take it so personally that I have to make a big dramatic scene and shame you. He's just calling you out, putting you on notice. I saw what you did there. I'm okay. Like, I survived. I'm lucky I did. I got my alliances. I can't trust you the way I thought I could. Oh, well, we move on eventually.

Rider Strong (10:18)

In the Hunger Games, you've gotta kill every other contestant. Yeah, I mean, that's. There's one left at the end.

Will Friedle (10:24)

Right? Exactly. So, yeah, man, just. He just made the smartest move. Lock in step with. With Cere. Early on this season, she.

Rider Strong (10:32)

Well, she's.

Will Friedle (10:33)

Yes.

Rider Strong (10:33)

She's Machiavellian in the best possible way.

Will Friedle (10:36)

I know. And you still.

Rider Strong (10:37)

It's incredible because she goes from this like, oh, my God, I get. Excuse me, I'm going to be sick real quick, and then I'm going to come back and everybody's laughing. And then she gets into gameplay, and it's like she turns into Darth Vader. Where she's just like, let's talk about the next step. It's incredible. Yeah, yeah.

Will Friedle (10:54)

Wonderful. All right. So then, yeah, Ozzy has this sort of easy way of telling them off and telling it like it is without being too aggressive. I really appreciate that. And then, you know, Emily and Devin call themselves the two psychopaths out here, and this kind of becomes a theme of the episode. It's like. Cause Aubrey's doing the same thing. She's like, I'm a psycho. Which really put me in the mind. Do you remember? Like, psycho was one of those words that was really popular when we were, like, teenagers.

Rider Strong (11:23)

Dude. It was big on Boy Meets World. We would call girls psycho. I think you're a psycho.

Will Friedle (11:28)

Right? And now it's like, not something you hear anymore. No, like, yeah, because everyone got into, like, what it actually meant, which is like, you know, you're a serial killer. Like, you're Being a psychopath was, like a diagnosable condition. So we stopped using it as slang. But it seems like it's making a comeback. And I'm all for it. I'm all for it.

Rider Strong (11:43)

I was going to say. I'm not sure.

Will Friedle (11:44)

I'm not sure.

Rider Strong (11:45)

I feel bad about that.

Will Friedle (11:46)

I think it's kind of great. It's actually. Well, I remember when we were kids, like. Like Lethal Weapon. You would talk about him in. In what's his name, Mel Gibson's character. You be like, he's kind of a psycho. It would be like a positive thing. It was like, being psychotic was cool. Yeah, yeah.

Rider Strong (12:04)

In the 80s, it was. They didn't play by the book in the 90s. They were a psycho. Yeah. I mean, that's totally the way it was. 100%.

Will Friedle (12:11)

All right. So then Devens decides to make a speech to everyone about his fake idol and reveal that it's a pocket square that he's rolled up. And I. You know, at this point, I really thought he screwed his game. Turns out not to be the case. No, but not at all. But, you know, at this point, I was like, yeah, yeah, man. I don't know. Like, this on the edge plane of, like, constantly trickering, tricking everybody. I'm the trickster. I was like, I don't think it's gonna work. But he pulled it off. By the end of the episode, he did.

Rider Strong (12:46)

But he also shows that luck really does play. There's so many different facets to this game. It's physical, it's mental, and there's time where luck just matters. You're walking the Right place you find an idol, that's okay. You can search for him, but that's still lucky. So, yeah, it certainly is a multifaceted game.

Will Friedle (13:02)

But the whole time Devin's just talking. Did you see how the camera's just lingering on Joe listening to him? And he look exactly like Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver when he's staring at like the Alka Seltzer in the glass. Like, just getting, you're like, oh God, he's gonna knife him. He's gonna like, like grab him and bite him, you know, he was like just getting more and more upset and I'm like, geez, like, so Devin's really rubs people like Joe the wrong way. Like, you know, the people that are like, you gotta be straightforward. We're gonna, you know. Yeah. And I was like, so who's going psycho out here? I think it's the, the Joes and the Jonathan's. The guys who are like trying to play it straight and keep their head in the game. They're getting a little more intense in a way that, like, I know it's

Rider Strong (13:40)

a weird analogy, but it's Thor and Loki.

Will Friedle (13:42)

Totally. I mean, it is.

Rider Strong (13:44)

You've got, you've got, you've got to be a God and go by that. And then it's the total trickster.

Will Friedle (13:48)

Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, just even watching Jonathan, the way he's like picking his beard like this, like, wise old man. Like I could see him, like he's

Rider Strong (13:56)

just starting to twitch a little bit,

Will Friedle (13:57)

you know, like they're all kind of unraveling.

Rider Strong (14:00)

He is. And he's starting to get just. I mean, I got, you know, I know you got to play the way you got to play. But lost some respect for Jonathan this week.

Will Friedle (14:07)

I know. Really? Did he let Stephanie take the fall?

Rider Strong (14:10)

Yeah, he totally did.

Will Friedle (14:11)

He like, did not. And then just lying to Ozzy's face and it's like, you don't have to lie, dude. Like, play the game.

Rider Strong (14:18)

Yeah, I did throw your name out there. I absolutely did.

Will Friedle (14:20)

Because we're trying to play a game

Rider Strong (14:21)

here and I was trying to flush somebody else out, but just to just be like, that never happened.

Will Friedle (14:25)

It's like, never happened multiple times. Never happened. Yes.

Rider Strong (14:27)

And all I think to myself is, you know, eventually they're going to watch. Right. Like they're filming this.

Will Friedle (14:34)

Right. So in the long run, even if it's good for your game, right. To lie, you're. You're kind of looking like I'm not a great human in the end.

Rider Strong (14:41)

Well, I Remember one of the things that you know from the reality show world, one of the things that I heard cuz I was a big Jersey Shore fan was like, Jersey Shore Season 2, when they go to Miami, is considered one of the greatest seasons of any reality show ever. It's just amazing. And one of the reasons is apparently they would sit the cast down and like show them all the stuff from the previous season and then go, now we're starting again. So all the shit that was underhanded and behind, like he cheated on her, he did this and just lied about it. They're like watching that and then have to go into the new season.

Will Friedle (15:14)

Smart. That's interesting.

Rider Strong (15:15)

Crazy. The stuff that, that it's like, yeah, you're right, you caught me doing. So I'm sitting there watching, going, he's going to watch the show and see that you just flat out lied to him.

Will Friedle (15:24)

Right?

Rider Strong (15:24)

So yeah, the dynamic is crazy.

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Will Friedle (18:56)

All right, we get to the auction. I was so stoked and terrified because I really, like, I am. I'm not a person who could eat.

Rider Strong (19:04)

I could gross stuff. I could eat anything.

Will Friedle (19:06)

Oh, good for you, man.

Rider Strong (19:08)

I could eat anything. I wouldn't even think about it. I might not be able to keep it down, but I'll eat it.

Will Friedle (19:12)

Yeah, I would love to, like, try, but, like, yeah, I said when I, I went to Thailand when I was like, 19, I was like, I'm going to try bugs, of course. And then, like, I saw it sizzling on the street, you know, like, full on. Like, here it is. You can buy it. You got them deep fried? No, not even crickets, man. Like, it's just like, I won't do the crickets. I won't do the big bug. I like none of it. I'm just like, do you think it.

Rider Strong (19:34)

Is it. Is it a mental thing? Or is it a texture thing or

Will Friedle (19:38)

all of the above, really.

Rider Strong (19:39)

Because, like, you eat eel, you love eel, which I find a little gross. So it's like.

Will Friedle (19:43)

Yeah, I think if I saw that it was an eel. Like, when I see eel on sushi, it looks just like chicken, you know? Yeah. I think if I saw the eel's head, if I see a fish head, I definitely lose my appetite.

Rider Strong (19:55)

I'm kind of the same way. Like, I don't want my shrimp with the heads on. Like, if I get a shrimp, I want it to look like a Benihana shrimp.

Will Friedle (20:01)

And the few times that I've actually killed an animal and eaten it, you know, not so much with fish, actually, but certainly with, like, turkey, which is really the only thing I've ever hunted and actually eaten it, like, ruins the actual experience of eating it doesn't taste good. Like, I'm. Like, it makes me uncomfortable, and I

Rider Strong (20:18)

get it, and I know why it has to be done, and I'm so glad other people will do it because I'm too much. I just. I'm the same way. Like, I would be crying all through my venison.

Will Friedle (20:26)

Yeah.

Rider Strong (20:27)

Even knowing full well that the deer population needs to be thinned out, I could do it. I could do it.

Will Friedle (20:31)

And ethically, like, it makes sense. Right. Thing. You eat it, and we should be okay with it. But. Yeah, no, I mean, this is why I became. I was raised a vegetarian. And then when I was 15, 16, when we were doing boy, we dissected a rabbit in my biology class, and I was so turned off that I was like, I can't do this. I shouldn't eat meat. So then I didn't eat meat for another 10 years after that.

Rider Strong (20:53)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (20:53)

And then I had a salami sandwich, met my wife, who is an incredible Puerto Rican Italian cook.

Rider Strong (21:02)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (21:03)

Who mostly makes meat. Like, it's like, for her, it's like, it's not a meal unless it has a meat. Like a stable. Like a staple meat dish.

Rider Strong (21:11)

When you first met her, didn't she have a full bore on a spit that she had just hunted? Like, hey, nice to meet you. I'm Alex.

Will Friedle (21:17)

I mean, her. Her. Her rice and beans. Like, her family's rice and beans. Like, it's Puerto Rican rice and beans. It's made in bacon fat. You know, like, that's. It's like bacon is a part of it. It's like, I need to try that. I need to try that. Oh, it's so good.

Rider Strong (21:28)

Yeah, I need to try that.

Will Friedle (21:29)

All right, well, so we get to the auction. I was, yeah. Like, super excited because this is always a fun thing. But I have to say, none of the rules made sense to me.

Rider Strong (21:39)

No.

Will Friedle (21:39)

This whole. And this is my big criticism of this season is they keep introducing these new ideas as if they make sense. Tonight's a blood moon, which, as we all know, means three players get voted out and success. And in this case, he's just like, chaos and what? Comfort.

Rider Strong (22:00)

Comfort and chaos.

Will Friedle (22:01)

And you could just see as he's trying to explain it, everybody's just like tilting their heads going, so it's just chaos.

Rider Strong (22:08)

It's good or bad.

Will Friedle (22:09)

There's no way to play this. Do you know what I mean? There was no predictable. Because it was like, you vote for a thing, maybe it's good, maybe it's a good thing plus a bad thing. Maybe it's a bad. And it was like.

Rider Strong (22:21)

I'm just saying, it's literally, Eric at the hotel, you can have this or a mystery bag. Like, it's like, what. What is this?

Will Friedle (22:28)

I know.

Rider Strong (22:29)

And then most of the things had no negative connotation attached to it at all.

Will Friedle (22:33)

It was like there was. There was no way you could listen to the way he explained the rules and play it well.

Rider Strong (22:39)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (22:39)

It just seemed like they were just making shit weird and confusing and they should have just said, here's $500, vote on stuff. Some of it's good, some it's bad. Good luck. And that's. It would have had the exact same result.

Rider Strong (22:51)

Yep.

Will Friedle (22:51)

So I didn't understand any of that, but whatever. You know, when they got to the two objects coming out, I guess is where there was something, but I didn't see any strategy. I just saw you bet on something, took a chance, and then you either were eating grubs or, you know, whatever.

Rider Strong (23:03)

Yeah. Of all the dishes that came out, what's the one that you would have been like, that's what I need. I need that right now.

Will Friedle (23:10)

The fried chicken.

Rider Strong (23:12)

Oh, yeah. With potatoes.

Will Friedle (23:14)

Yeah. Because I saw the first one that came out was French fries, right? Yep.

Rider Strong (23:17)

French fries and onion rings.

Will Friedle (23:18)

And I would be scared of that because, like, I mean, look, that's what I want most. But after not eating like that kind of deep fried meal, like, I don't. Would not trust my stomach to be able to handle that.

Rider Strong (23:30)

Yeah. Oh, if that's the case, then it's the two chicken breasts and the broccoli is what you want.

Will Friedle (23:34)

Oh, that's true. I forgot. That was a quick shot that we saw that. Who did end up Getting that.

Rider Strong (23:37)

Do you know Rizzo, I think. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Will Friedle (23:41)

When I saw like the. If you actually could vote on what you, you know, what you saw, I would have gone for like something lighter, like the snack plate. I guess that thing that you're talking

Rider Strong (23:50)

about, she even says, Emily even Sundays. And she's 100% right. She's like, this is gonna make me shit myself so badly.

Will Friedle (23:56)

Well, because she got the freaking milkshake.

Rider Strong (23:58)

But anything dairy, I mean, even the Mac and cheese, it's like if you have nothing and then you go straight dairy. Like when you glass of milk in the cookies.

Will Friedle (24:04)

No, I wouldn't want any of those. None of those things. No, no. So, yeah. So fries comes out, $160. Devin milkshake comes out, 100 bucks that Emily gets. I would have been disappointed in that. I love that. The snack TRA comes out and Jonathan and N are the ones voting for it because they're like the two healthy guys. I was like, yeah, they know. They, they're, they're smart. 80 bucks to Jonathan. And then we get our first unknown shared item with Aubrey, who bids $280.

Rider Strong (24:32)

Comes at this like a G. I mean, unbelievable how she handles this.

Will Friedle (24:37)

I know. And I love Ariso's like a picky eater. And then Aubrey's just like, I'm a psycho. Let's do this.

Rider Strong (24:44)

Yes.

Will Friedle (24:45)

Jesus Christ.

Rider Strong (24:46)

And that was not small. These are not two little bugs either. This was like, dude, I would have lost my shit. Yeah.

Will Friedle (24:51)

And I think they were still alive.

Rider Strong (24:52)

They were, they were totally moving. 100% that. Yep, 100% moving.

Will Friedle (24:56)

I can't do that.

Rider Strong (24:56)

I would have done it.

Will Friedle (24:57)

I could not do that.

Rider Strong (24:58)

You just, you can't. You have to do it the way that she does. Just thinking about it, jumping. Imagine jumping off of an airplane or bungee jumping or anything where the longer you think about it, the worse it's gonna get. So just don't even think about it. The way she did. He was like, she's like, go. You have two minutes. And they were down. Like, don't think about it. Throw em in your mouth, chew them. And then that's it.

Will Friedle (25:16)

You've gotta chew them and they're still.

Rider Strong (25:18)

Hell yes.

Will Friedle (25:19)

No, no, no.

Rider Strong (25:20)

I've seen grubs being eaten before. So anybody out there who's on a grub challenge of any kind, there is a secret I can give you. From what I've seen. The first bite, you have to keep their head, part of their head and body out. Cause when you bite everything squirts so you want it to squirt out of your mouth.

Will Friedle (25:39)

Oh, my God. You. I'm not putting my headphones back on until you nod that you are not going to say anything more about that.

Rider Strong (25:45)

Well, let me finish. So you bite either the head or the tail, and it squirts out, and then the squirt doesn't go down your throat, it goes out. Now you can put your headphones back on.

Will Friedle (25:52)

You're good.

Rider Strong (25:53)

Swear to God. Swear to God, I will. Seriously?

Will Friedle (25:55)

Seriously. Almost yanked in my mouth. Okay. All right. Get the cookies and milk. Rizzo just wins. Jesus. And you're saying he got the healthy. Yeah.

Rider Strong (26:07)

Okay. Yeah. Oh, you know what?

Will Friedle (26:08)

The grilled cheese.

Rider Strong (26:09)

Grilled cheese looks good, but again, dairy. I know dairy on an empty stomach would not be good, but. Yeah, I mean, I'd take the Mac and cheese if that were the thing that would satiate me the most, but. Oh, God, it would be awful.

Will Friedle (26:19)

Sari gets a blanket for 180 bucks.

Rider Strong (26:22)

That was the only thing that wasn't food. Right?

Will Friedle (26:24)

I know.

Rider Strong (26:25)

Just that one blanket. That was it.

Will Friedle (26:26)

I wonder, because as far as I could tell, Joe didn't get anything.

Rider Strong (26:31)

Oh, toothbrush and toothpaste. Toothpaste.

Will Friedle (26:33)

That's right. Which got. Yeah. So we got. But like, we didn't see Joe get anything. And he didn't comment on it. Nobody commented on not getting anything. So I wonder if they just didn't show us all that they like that there were more things and then we just didn't see it all. I don't know.

Rider Strong (26:45)

Or it's one of those things where he said, because the deal was, here's $500, any money you don't spend, you can keep. And he might be like, anything I eat is coming right back up. I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to stay hungry and keep 500 bucks, which is also possible.

Will Friedle (26:58)

Who cares about 500 bucks at that point, though, man?

Rider Strong (27:00)

I think, dude, it's true. And it's also hand somebody handing you 500 bucks, but you never. You never know. You know, because again, it's like one of those things. Where have you ever had those moments where you're so exhausted that you know if you take a 15 minute nap, it's actually going to make it worse.

Will Friedle (27:17)

Make you worse.

Rider Strong (27:17)

Just stay. So eating something quick and shoveling it down might actually be worse than just, I'm going to stay maintaining and have some rice when I get back to camp. Like, you never know. Yeah.

Will Friedle (27:29)

All right. So then we get this Covered chaos comfort thing, which they then call a fall on the sword challenge. As if any of this means anything. You know what it is? It's like Calvin ball. Do you remember in Calvin and Hobbs when they would just play Calvin Ball where you're just making up the rules while they're throwing each other out? That's what this felt like. It was like the Calvin Ball auction. Calvin Ball. And he keeps acting like Jeb is like, well, now we're going to do this. And this means this. I'm like, no, it doesn't just. Just make it go eat weird shit.

Rider Strong (27:58)

I agree.

Will Friedle (27:58)

The sea slug comes out. I don't know what this is. I don't want to think about it anymore. But he chews it down. Okay.

Rider Strong (28:07)

Could you not do that? Could now. What if. What if it was.

Will Friedle (28:10)

I would have to try.

Rider Strong (28:11)

Yeah. That you're like. They do it here where it's like if you finish it, the other person gets to eat. It's a selfless act.

Will Friedle (28:17)

Well, so here's the thing that's actually my question because then Ozzy said, I. I pretty sure he says, dude, I'll share this with you.

Rider Strong (28:24)

No, he said, I'll give you some money.

Will Friedle (28:26)

Oh, okay. Cuz he's not allowed to give the chicken.

Rider Strong (28:29)

No. But what he said is he'll give him some cash.

Will Friedle (28:31)

Okay. Cuz when I heard him say that, I was like, buddy, like that you. That's against the whole point.

Rider Strong (28:36)

No, it's. He was going to give him some money for him doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, cool.

Will Friedle (28:41)

A charcuterie plate goes to Sere for 280 bucks. She throws up.

Rider Strong (28:47)

Yep.

Will Friedle (28:47)

Boot and rally.

Rider Strong (28:48)

Can't cook.

Will Friedle (28:49)

Aubrey gets a Mac and cheese, which makes her cry because it reminds her of home.

Rider Strong (28:53)

Yeah. Yeah.

Will Friedle (28:55)

And this was very touching, talking about the power of Mac and cheese and. Yeah. I think this is where the pathos starts to really come into the show, man. It's like. It's intense. Like, yeah, they miss their home. They're. Yeah. And then the biggest item comes out, which they all. Again, there's like this. This option that I think, why would anybody not take it? Which is 20 bucks each, of course.

Rider Strong (29:19)

But he said it could either be the best thing that everybody's gonna get or it's the worst thing that Everybody.

Will Friedle (29:23)

But for 20 bucks, they're gonna take that chance.

Rider Strong (29:25)

You know what I mean? And this. I gathered. This is a thing that happens on Survivor because some of the letters. I knew it. So the letters are obviously a reoccurring thing.

Will Friedle (29:33)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I've told you, like, the best is when they actually bring family members. But I guess they're not going to do that this season because they got the letters. It's usually kind of an either or.

Rider Strong (29:44)

Yeah, they do it on a loan.

Will Friedle (29:45)

Remember?

Rider Strong (29:45)

It's like, you know, you win because they come out, because they show up with your partner, will come out, and then you turn around and like your wife's there after 110 days or something like that. Yeah.

Will Friedle (29:54)

Crazy.

Rider Strong (29:54)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (29:55)

Yeah.

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Will Friedle (33:24)

So they get their. Their letters from home, which immediately makes everybody sad and emotional, and then we gotta have an equal dose of chaos. Why? Who knows? And Mr. Beast gets introd. So what, what, what's your knowledge of Mr. Beast, Will?

Rider Strong (33:41)

I've heard the name.

Will Friedle (33:42)

That's it, huh?

Rider Strong (33:43)

That's it.

Will Friedle (33:44)

Okay.

Rider Strong (33:44)

I know that he does a lot of good. Like, I've heard he went to Africa and built wells. And, like, I've heard he does an awful lot of good. I also know because I googled it last night, he's a literal billionaire. Yeah.

Will Friedle (33:54)

So he's like, the most successful YouTuber of all time. And he's built up this, you know, empire.

Rider Strong (34:00)

What did he do? What was like, his first YouTube video? What was the shtick?

Will Friedle (34:04)

It was. It was. It started off pretty simple, but it was always, like, it was always built around giving away money or giving away opportunities. Oh, great. So, yeah, like, you know, but was

Rider Strong (34:18)

he the guy that was like, would just go places and be like, here's $5,000.

Will Friedle (34:21)

Yes. It's always about that. Or like, I think one of his earlier stunts was like, get. Call an Uber, get in it and be like, I will pay you the full sum plus sum if you drive me across the country over the next four days and, like, would video it. So it's like him doing a YouTube video where he and a driver go across the country, you know, or, you know, and then he would take the winning, like, he would. Whatever he would make from his YouTube channel, he would immediately give away. And then he started doing things like, you know, providing surgery for people that have, like, eyesight disabilities or whatever.

Rider Strong (34:55)

So this is a dude that walks with the angels. This is a. This is a good.

Will Friedle (34:58)

Well, it's a very interesting thing. I find it a little off putting, I have to say.

Rider Strong (35:03)

Really? Yeah.

Will Friedle (35:04)

Because I've watched. Because Indy really loves him. Because Indy is a child and children love this guy. And he is the biggest celebrity for everybody under the age of 30. It's like they're. Yeah, he's like their hero. And I. I find it a little weird because the way his games work. He has something called Beast Games, which

Rider Strong (35:20)

is that I've heard of too.

Will Friedle (35:21)

Yeah, I've heard of that. And it's. It's. You'd probably really enjoy. It's pretty exciting. It's basically Squid Games, but without dying, you know, really. He flew, like, thousands of people to an island. I think there might be only one season. Thousands of people to an island. And then does, like, really big crazy challenges. But to me, the challenges usually come down to do you take money and be selfish or do you help your fellow contestants? Like, that's mostly what his setups like. His. He does these big things, like two people living in a bunker, but we're gonna secretly offer one of them $10,000 to get out and screw the other person out of the chance to win a million. You know, it's like that kind of thing. Which is fine. It's all, like. It makes for entertaining, like, right, you know, moral choices. But I guess for me, it's weird that the bottom line is always money. There's no, like, other option. There's no, like, other value. There's. It's always just, are you willing to, like, do you want money or not? And it's just like, it's not really his fault. It's more like culturally, I find it. I find it sad that we're just at a place where that is the only value that we really celebrate anymore, you know? And I think that.

Rider Strong (36:31)

No, that's not true. We also celebrate celebrity.

Will Friedle (36:34)

Exactly.

Kal Penn (36:34)

True.

Will Friedle (36:35)

Right?

Rider Strong (36:35)

Beauty and wealth.

Will Friedle (36:36)

Well put, man. Good point. And I think that maybe that's why even in this episode of Survivor, I get choked up and I get into it is because I feel like you start hearing them talk about things, like, almost as if winning the million dollars now, $2 million, almost like it doesn't matter that much. Like, that's not the point. And I appreciate that. And I think that that's something that I don't see in Mr. Beast stuff ever. It's like, literally just like, you know, let me offer you a bunch of money because I can and he has it. And because, you know, no matter what he's offering, he's clearly making enough to make that totally fine for him. Because his YouTube endorsements and his deals are so good.

Rider Strong (37:13)

Literal billionaire.

Will Friedle (37:14)

Yes.

Rider Strong (37:14)

I think it said 2.6 billion.

Will Friedle (37:15)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But yes, in general, I do think he does a lot of good. And he turns it around to, like, helping people. And kids love him. Kids love him.

Rider Strong (37:26)

I guess I would look at it like, if he didn't set the trend, he's seeing the trend meaning money and giving it away and kind of making it a game show. So if he's doing what's already out there, but using his platform for good.

Will Friedle (37:39)

Right.

Rider Strong (37:40)

Then I can see how. Yeah, go do your thing. Because I. Then I read an article where he had built, like, all these and people had a problem with it. Like, why did Mr. Beast go in and help people in Africa? Like, really?

Will Friedle (37:49)

Oh, yeah. No care. No, he should. I'm totally all about that. But he's also, you know, he's also selling Beast. I forget what they're called. Beast Bites. He has, like, he has brands where he's made, you know, like, he's making tons of.

Rider Strong (38:02)

At the grocery store, I just saw that. Was there a jerky? He was selling like.

Will Friedle (38:09)

Well, he has power bars or like candy bars, and it's like. So he's. He's doing it all. I also just find it interesting how kind of bland he is as a person.

Rider Strong (38:20)

Yeah, he's just kind of like.

Will Friedle (38:21)

He just mind.

Rider Strong (38:22)

He was like, hey, how's everybody doing? I also had to Google because either they're wrong with how tall he is or they're wrong with how short Jeff is.

Will Friedle (38:30)

Oh, really? Because he's towering over Jeff.

Rider Strong (38:32)

Towering. And it says that he's 6:1 and Jeff is 5, 10. And I was like, nuh. They're 8 inches apart. So somebody is lying. Or both of them are lying because it's probably Jeff. That's what I'm thinking too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Will Friedle (38:47)

But yeah, I mean, it was just so interesting to see him walk in and be a part of the, like, really devoid of personality. Like, even in his clothing, you know, it's. He's kind of like a dude, which is, I think, part of the, like, YouTube appeal.

Rider Strong (39:00)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (39:01)

And part of the influencer thing is that you're not really like a host. You're more just kind of like an avatar for the viewer, which is just a different vibe. It's like, it's a generational divide that I find interesting. You know, it's like. Cause most of his videos are not, like, driven by. Even when he's doing good things or set up these crazies, he doesn't really have an opinion about it. Does that make sense? Yeah, because Jeff comes in, he's like. Has an opinion about Survivor and why we're doing this. And you don't get that from Mr. Jefferson.

Rider Strong (39:31)

Jeff's a host. Yeah. It's a whole different generational, but it's also a different talent. There's some people that. You're going to be great on YouTube. You're not an actor.

Will Friedle (39:39)

Yes.

Rider Strong (39:39)

You're going to be great on YouTube. You're not a host, so. Exactly. He's now hosting things, which is a complete. I mean, we look at our bestie Danielle. Danielle's a really good consummate host. She knows how to do that. And no matter what you throw her in, she can host it. Yeah. And so that's just a skill and a talent.

Will Friedle (39:57)

The vibe for all the Beast videos, if you watch them, are him and four other four to, like, 10 other dudes. Like, an entourage with bigger personalities around him going, oh, dude, bro.

Rider Strong (40:08)

Oh, my God, I can't believe you hate that.

Will Friedle (40:10)

It's like that vibe.

Rider Strong (40:11)

You've got nine Ed McMahons around you.

Will Friedle (40:13)

Exactly. Yeah. It's just like the. Like, it's that influencer. It's, you know, kind of jackassy. You know, it's not that extreme. But that sense of like, oh, my God. Like, it's just kind of. There's always an audience, and they're all just kind of talking it out. No one's, like, hosting and being like, over here, we're going to do. You know.

Rider Strong (40:29)

Yeah, right.

Will Friedle (40:29)

You're right.

Rider Strong (40:30)

So, yeah, it's. It's a whole different.

Will Friedle (40:31)

But it really speaks to kids differently than, you know, like, I watch it. I'm like, I don't get it. Indy. And he loves it.

Rider Strong (40:36)

Yeah. No, I've never seen it. To me, YouTube is for watching music videos and listening to all your music, because I don't know how to work sports.

Will Friedle (40:43)

So then he brings out this wooden suitcase.

Rider Strong (40:46)

Is this a thing that happens on his show?

Will Friedle (40:48)

I don't know.

Rider Strong (40:48)

Is that what it is?

Will Friedle (40:49)

Honestly, I didn't know about the suitcase thing. No, I mean, usually he shows the money. Like, a lot of times he'll have a pile of. You literally have a pile of cash. And he's like, if you don't get through this thing, it's gonna blow up. We're gonna light it on fire. And who knows if it's actually a pile? But that's like. He does stunts with big piles of cash. So I don't know, maybe he does a briefcase or has done briefcases before.

Rider Strong (41:12)

Oh, yes.

Will Friedle (41:13)

Actually, I think he does a thing where they. Where people. He's done. I think it's him that's done the thing where people, like, walked into a room and they have suitcases, briefcases, and they don't know what's in each other's. So they have to, like, write down notes and, like, take chances and bluff one another. Like, I have a million dollars in my suitcase. Or so maybe it's a thing.

Rider Strong (41:31)

Either way, it seemed like they were just adding words where he's like, this. He brought in the yellow triangle of morbidity.

Will Friedle (41:38)

That's what I was like. And then they turn it around. Beware. And I'm like. And then he walks away.

Rider Strong (41:44)

What's happening?

Will Friedle (41:45)

So tonight, something's gonna happen, and that's it. I found it very anticlimactic.

Rider Strong (41:49)

Yep.

Will Friedle (41:50)

But then they got swept off immediately to a challenge, which everyone was like, okay, the hits keep coming. We get to the set, it's these weird catapult looking things. I didn't know what was going on.

Rider Strong (42:00)

I thought it was gonna be. I thought the same thing. I thought they're gonna be shooting something like, into the ocean at targets or something like that.

Will Friedle (42:05)

Turns out to be way simpler than that. They just stand on it with a bow and a ball that they have to balance, which at first I was like, okay, this seems like an equalizer. You know, this. This could be anybody's game. Turns out it wasn't. It was still kind of the physical people. That's where my crush totally changed, because Steph was out in seconds.

Rider Strong (42:24)

Yep.

Will Friedle (42:24)

Just, like, flailed, which was so interesting.

Rider Strong (42:27)

Massive crush on Tiff.

Will Friedle (42:29)

Yeah. Tiff is amazing.

Rider Strong (42:30)

She is a badass.

Will Friedle (42:31)

He's a beast. I love people who are like, has she.

Rider Strong (42:35)

Has the ball even moved yet? Like, has the ball even moved?

Will Friedle (42:37)

She just. I have a theory. I have a theory, too. When we get there.

Rider Strong (42:39)

Okay.

Will Friedle (42:40)

So, yeah, so step was just out, which I was shocked, considering 2 seconds how good she had done with the arm thing. And she's so fit. I was like, what happened then? Rizzo. Super bouncy. And so at this point, I started getting this feeling that what was like, my take on this game is that it actually reflects. It becomes a perfect analogy for how people are playing the game socially. Like, did you realize that, like, the people that are, like, a little, like, more erratic and all over the place, we're out. And the people that are a little more, like, steadfast. I've got my plan, and I'm sticking with it. Lasted longer, and so I was like, oh. It's like it reflected their personality. It's a sort of, like, steady thing, but all. But also my big thing was tiff was the only one with her hands downward facing. Did you notice that?

Rider Strong (43:27)

Everybody else did.

Will Friedle (43:28)

And I was like, wow, that's interesting. I think that actually probably is a physical advantage, because if you think about it, it makes more sense to have more control this way. Right. With your hands up. But more control is actually not what you want. I think you want more steadiness. And if you think about it, naturally, your hands just rest down. So I think the result is that you're not straining as much. You're just kind of a little more calm.

Rider Strong (43:50)

What about one up, one down?

Will Friedle (43:52)

Maybe that. I don't know.

Rider Strong (43:53)

I don't know. But you're right. She's the only one who did that.

Will Friedle (43:55)

She's the only one who had them down.

Rider Strong (43:56)

Her things did not budge.

Will Friedle (43:58)

Did not budge. And I think the. Yeah, I think if you were going up, you actually have more strength that way, but you don't need more strength in this game. You just need more steadiness. So I think going down was just sort of a more relaxed body position, and so it wasn't as much of a, like, you know, balanced struggle. Yeah. Super interesting.

Rider Strong (44:15)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (44:16)

So, yeah, it comes down to her and ozzy. I will say there's this editing moment where you see sweat, like, dripping down ozzy's face, and then it immediately cuts the tiff. And I thought full snot was coming out of her nose. And because she has the nose piercing.

Rider Strong (44:32)

Oh, that's right.

Will Friedle (44:32)

But because it had gone from, like, liquid on his face to her, I was like, oh, my God.

Rider Strong (44:37)

Oh, God.

Will Friedle (44:37)

It's disgusting. Oh, God.

Narrator/Host (General Ads and AMA) (44:38)

Jesus.

Will Friedle (44:39)

Wipe your nose, lady. I was like, oh, no, no, no. That's her piercing.

Rider Strong (44:42)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (44:42)

Which. Those. Those septum piercings usually don't work for me, But I think she pulls it off perfectly.

Rider Strong (44:47)

Yeah, I have a big crush on her, But I don't get. I don't get nose piercings on anybody.

Will Friedle (44:51)

Yeah. Anybody even like the side ones?

Rider Strong (44:53)

Nope. Nope. Of all the places to draw attention to, why the nose? I don't get it.

Will Friedle (44:58)

I think there are some people who really pull it off. I agree. And I used, but now I'm like,

Rider Strong (45:03)

no, no, not a nose ring guy. I don't get it. I never.

Will Friedle (45:06)

The septum. I'm usually like, no. But for her, it's like the big.

Rider Strong (45:09)

The big giant earlobe things.

Will Friedle (45:11)

Well, those just make me. When people start, like, gauging up to, like, stretch out their ears, I just get uncomfortable. I'm like, doesn't that hurt?

Rider Strong (45:18)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (45:18)

And I know it probably doesn't look good on anybody to me.

Rider Strong (45:21)

I know. I get the tribal significance of them. I completely understand that. Don't. Don't get it. Yeah.

Will Friedle (45:26)

Tiff wins, Falls apart crying. Turns out she crushes it. Yeah. But also just because she was voted out Day 19 last season. So there she is. Or the season that she was on. So she feels really good. And that is just the beginning of the tears because then we go back to camp where everyone gets their letters and just bawls their eyes out. And Saree gets the first letter ever from her father, which was so sweet. Isn't that crazy?

Rider Strong (45:52)

I would hope, by the way, when you go on Survivor, you'd want the letter from me. Not Indy, not Alex, but me. I'm the one who writes you the letter, I think.

Will Friedle (46:00)

Of course. You're not a big letter writer, are you?

Rider Strong (46:02)

No. Yeah, see, no, I'm not at all. But that's why I'd write. I would write it to you, but just to really freak you out, I would use cutout pieces from magazines, like a ransom note.

Will Friedle (46:13)

We have Ryder, I'm writing this from within your house. I'm keeping an eye on Indian Alex.

Rider Strong (46:21)

50,000 grubs by the end of Survivor.

Will Friedle (46:25)

Oh, stop. All right. As the day goes on, everyone starts complicating the easy vote of Devin's, of course, which makes Devin's play style maybe a genius move. So then Jonathan starts saying Ozzy, which he later denies, but he clearly turns on Ozzy.

Rider Strong (46:46)

Clearly starts the whole Aussie.

Will Friedle (46:47)

You're right. So Jonathan turns to Stephanie and says ozzy's dropping her name, which he admits in his, you know, talking head. That talking head is like, oh, I was exaggerating a bit. You're full online.

Rider Strong (47:00)

Yes.

Will Friedle (47:02)

And really, you know, this is on Steph. She shouldn't fall for that. Like, why is she trusting Jonathan over Ozzy because Ozzy is a pretty straightforward player and has been very upfront with everybody that he's voted against and who's voted against him. So it's on Steph at this point. There's a scene where Devins and Emily are laughing about how unhinged they are on the psychopath scene. And they're like, we shouldn't be allowed to play this game, certainly not together. And then I was just like, they're laughing maniacally. I was like, all. They're just sort of like twirling their mustaches. We're the villains. He's like, oh, my God, I have

Rider Strong (47:36)

strapped the girl to the train tracks. Exactly.

Will Friedle (47:40)

They're doing this action with their hands. Jesus, guys, you're caricatures. But yeah, maybe everyone's just, just. Yeah, now they're getting the sugar high from the food that they had.

Rider Strong (47:48)

Yes, they're losing it just a little bit.

Kal Penn (48:00)

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Ray Porter (48:23)

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Will Friedle (51:23)

All right, so then Joe goes and tells Sari about the vote for Ozzy, which I'm like, why? Okay, why are you doing this? And then Steph has to lie to Sari and say, well, no, no, we are not planning Ozzy. And she's all shifty, which Saree just

Rider Strong (51:36)

sees right through everybody, tells everybody everything

Will Friedle (51:39)

I know, because then Ozzy tells Jonathan about Steph, and I'm like, you idiot. Like, how they've lost all sense of who's actually connected to who, which I guess is just maybe because they're such a small crew now. They're just down. They've just lost track. I don't know, man. It's. Yeah, yeah.

Rider Strong (51:57)

No, I don't even know who the alliances are anymore. I know. I know Saree's gonna win. That's all I know.

Will Friedle (52:02)

By the end of this. Yeah, by the end of this afternoon, it just seems chaos. Like, I mean, it even just gets to the point where Jonathan is literally saying the wrong name.

Rider Strong (52:12)

Yes.

Will Friedle (52:12)

And like whoever he's saying it to is like, okay. And then he's like, no, no, no. I mean, Stephanie, you're like, jesus, thank

Rider Strong (52:17)

God they put that in there where he's just like, we're voting Emily. No, no, no, no. Stephanie.

Will Friedle (52:22)

They can't even keep it.

Rider Strong (52:23)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (52:24)

So. Yeah. So by the time we get to tribal, no clue what's going on. And you know, they really, Jeff really tries to make it that it's about the Mr. Beast factor, which I guess is kind of true. But I don't know, man.

Rider Strong (52:37)

I don't think it was. I think so. I honestly think it was. It was chaos anyway. But they were trying to keep Mr. Beast involved. So with him even going, look what happens when we even mention his name. No, I don't think they were thinking

Will Friedle (52:50)

about him at all. No. Because what could you plan?

Rider Strong (52:54)

I felt the same way.

Will Friedle (52:55)

There's like a beware. Yeah. That's all they know. So there's no. Again, it's Calvin Ball. So they're just like, we're playing Calvin Ball. We're just gonna have to plan our vote.

Rider Strong (53:05)

Yeah. And whatever happens. And then we have to see what the hell is going to happen with the magical case of mystery, which is apparently a thing.

Will Friedle (53:10)

So I think due to the editing we aren't sure how they were going in. Do you have any idea how they were going in? No.

Rider Strong (53:18)

I frankly thought, meaning what? What? By the time we got to try

Will Friedle (53:23)

before Dev or Devin's blew up the game, which is what he does and which I think seals the deal for everybody. I don't have a clue. And I think they intentionally make it through editing that we don't have a clue.

Rider Strong (53:34)

I think Devin's would have been the low hanging fruit. But at the same time they talked about how maybe that's. That's not the swipe you take that he's a good. The good smokescreen.

Will Friedle (53:42)

Right.

Rider Strong (53:42)

So I don't know. I would say it wouldn't have been anybody that. That's team Sere. So Rizzo wouldn't have gone. Siri wouldn't have gone. Ozzy wouldn't have gone.

Will Friedle (53:51)

I think, I think they were. They're potentially still trying to flush Ozzy's idol and make him play it. Yeah. But then they were going to split the votes between like Devins and Aubrey or something. Weird.

Rider Strong (54:01)

I still don't get splitting votes.

Will Friedle (54:03)

Well, it's because if somebody plays an idol. Right. Like, you tell. Oh, right, of course. Because if. If. If it turns out that Aubrey plays her idol, then all those votes for her don't count and whoever.

Rider Strong (54:14)

And it's the next person in person.

Will Friedle (54:16)

Right.

Rider Strong (54:16)

So you.

Will Friedle (54:16)

If you feel that you have the majority, you want to cover your, like, voting for that person, but having them also the second most votes. So I think they were going to try if everyone had, like. Yeah, I. I can't speculate because we. We don't actually know. Right, right. What does happen is that Devin just blows up everyone's game with just the truth. With just the truth. And I think it's a brilliant move.

Rider Strong (54:38)

Genius. It's his only move.

Will Friedle (54:39)

It's his only move. And I think it benefits everybody, actually. Like, I could, you know, besides Stephanie and Jonathan, they are the ones who kind of look bad based on. But it's also. It is kind of on them. Like, they're the ones who did the biggest move, which was try and, you know, turn everybody on Ozzy and lead the pack that way. And then they don't really own up to it in this moment. And I think it looks bad. And I think Stephanie panics and just like Devon says, protests too much.

Rider Strong (55:05)

Yep. And she also said something where even Rizza, where she's like, I would never throw out anybody's name. And Rizzle's like, that's the game. Yes, you throw out people. And she's like, no, I meant first. I meant first. And by that point, she. She was.

Will Friedle (55:15)

I think she had sunk her ship.

Rider Strong (55:16)

Yeah.

Will Friedle (55:16)

At that point, I think. Yeah. Because, like, you know, because siree is just laughing, you know, And I think that. That her reaction is just so much better. Like, they could have all just been like if. If Steph and. And Jonathan had been like, oh, my God. Well, Devin's just blew up our game. Yeah, we had thought about that, but things changed and we came in with a different plan. And I did communicate that plan to you. Everyone would have been like, okay, it's anybody's game. But because they were so defensive and so like, no, man, I didn't do that. That. It's like, screw that.

Rider Strong (55:43)

Yeah, no, I felt. I felt exactly the same way. The whole thing was weird. And yeah, I think she. She did. I think she completely and totally sunk her ship right then and there. I think that was it.

Will Friedle (55:53)

So Mr. Beast comes out, chaos has ensued. Everyone's been whispering. He walks in, reveals it's a coin. What does this mean? Well, turns out flipping this coin.

Rider Strong (56:07)

The coin of happy mutiny. Beware, comma, beware. Beware. Sunlight streaming.

Will Friedle (56:13)

Fall on the sword.

Rider Strong (56:14)

Yes, Fall on the sword.

Will Friedle (56:15)

Cozy invisible chaos.

Rider Strong (56:17)

Chaos theory.

Will Friedle (56:19)

You know that advantage. Steal a vote. It's a coin. I love how he's describing what's on it as if it, like, has a real meaning. Like, and then it has his beast symbol. And then on the back, it stands for survivor but not. Not tribal because it's ironically a fire that we're gonna put out. We're gonna put out. And.

Rider Strong (56:40)

Yeah. Did you also notice that they are clearly listening to our podcast because they've turned down the music?

Will Friedle (56:45)

Are you serious?

Rider Strong (56:46)

Oh, they've absolutely turned down the music. Somebody went like, just crank it down a little bit. Maybe they're right.

Will Friedle (56:50)

Just crank it down a little bit.

Rider Strong (56:51)

So we are clearly affected in the

Will Friedle (56:54)

sense that audio engineers would be listening to a podcast about the show.

Rider Strong (56:57)

But it is. I was like, where's the hoo?

Will Friedle (56:59)

Ha.

Rider Strong (56:59)

What's going on? It's very low. Yeah. Very low, this one.

Will Friedle (57:04)

All right. So it turns out if you flip. If somebody's willing to flip this coin, you'll get 2 million. The prize will go up to $2 million, which is really huge.

Rider Strong (57:14)

Huge.

Will Friedle (57:14)

And that person is safe and they get an immunity and they get an idol.

Rider Strong (57:18)

I mean, my God.

Will Friedle (57:19)

I know.

Rider Strong (57:20)

That's enormous.

Will Friedle (57:21)

I know.

Rider Strong (57:22)

I figured most people would want to flip the coin.

Will Friedle (57:25)

Me too.

Rider Strong (57:26)

I was surprised that everyone was like,

Will Friedle (57:28)

I don't want to do it. Well, I think they all just knew that Devins was like. Like, had nothing to lose, you know, or that he would do it. So I think they felt safe. Yeah.

Rider Strong (57:36)

But Jeff even says, I mean, they clearly set it up to where this is going to be a fight to where who is going to flip the coins. And if it comes down to it, we're going to have to draw. So they never. He's like, we didn't expect somebody to go, I'll do it. And everyone go, okay, done.

Will Friedle (57:50)

See, they've done this multiple times this season. I think they just, you know, because they. The same thing with, like, at when Jeff was like, well, you want the rice, you gotta beat me. It's like, well, no shit we're gonna do that. Like, there's no. There's no alternative that, you know. So they haven't really set the stakes correctly for this season.

Rider Strong (58:06)

Yeah. Interesting.

Will Friedle (58:06)

I think. Yeah. Because, like, if you flip it and you lose, there's no increase and you go home. But exactly like Devin's pointed out that's better than a shot in the dark, right? A shot in the dark is a 1 in 6 chances, 50 chance, and everybody's gonna love me and I'm gone anyway. I'm protected for two. Yeah.

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Rider Strong (58:23)

Or I'm gone anyway. I literally have nothing to lose and everything to gain for everyone.

Will Friedle (58:27)

That's why I, like AUB considers it for a moment. And I was like, yes, she could probably do it, too. And for a second I thought maybe the rule was that if, like, one person does it, another person could flip it too. But it clearly wasn't. But I was like, why is she. You know, if she considers it, are they going to let her do it after Devin's like, right. I don't know. I didn't. You know, that's the thing. All the rules are just a little. They are.

Rider Strong (58:47)

They're a little hanky. Yeah.

Will Friedle (58:48)

Yeah. Anyway, Devin's volunteers to flip the coin was not flip.

Rider Strong (58:52)

So. So if they were going to draw rocks, then not flipping the coin was not an option.

Will Friedle (58:57)

And I think they just assumed everyone was gonna take play it safe, which doesn't quite make sense. No, I think it was too good of a thing to just get. It's too much of a win.

Rider Strong (59:05)

Yes.

Will Friedle (59:06)

So really what they should have done is just made it your prize to a million and you're safe for that night and you don't get an extra idol because, I mean, that's like, you're basically committed to staying in two more days by winning and $2 million in the. It's too good.

Rider Strong (59:20)

You also could have made the bad really bad, where it's like, but if you lose, you go home and so does someone else.

Will Friedle (59:26)

Right.

Rider Strong (59:27)

Another person gets like, yeesh, or we take somebody's idol away, like, something else bad happens. But, yeah, it was. Devin's really had nothing to lose. He was on the bottom. He knew there was a real good chance he was going home. Why not? He's like, yeah, why not? Why wouldn't I do this? Right?

Will Friedle (59:42)

Yeah. And then, like, they talk about Mr. Beast being a genius, and I was like, you're just a rich dude who showed up with a suit, and you

Rider Strong (59:50)

wonder if he created this or Survivor created this. And then they were like, you know.

Will Friedle (59:54)

Yeah, I think they. I don't know.

Rider Strong (59:56)

He's clearly a fan.

Will Friedle (59:57)

It's his money. They said, like his money. He was putting up the million dollars.

Rider Strong (60:01)

And that's significant, man. Going from a million bucks to two, that's. That is a significant jump in.

Will Friedle (60:06)

I'm so Curious, like what the play is on his part is he just like got to get the olds. The people who watch Survivor because he. He's got enough money and enough of a following, he doesn't need an appearance on cbs.

Rider Strong (60:15)

That's the thing, though. He has such you money that it might just literally be like, I love Survivor and I want to.

Will Friedle (60:21)

I just want to be there, man. I just want to be part of it.

Rider Strong (60:23)

Yep.

Will Friedle (60:23)

All right. Devin's calls it heads. Heads it is.

Rider Strong (60:27)

Oh, and with a perfect rolling on its side, you don't know which way it's gonna fall. You could not have scripted it any better.

Will Friedle (60:33)

I was like cheering.

Rider Strong (60:34)

Me too.

Will Friedle (60:35)

Yeah. This was good television.

Rider Strong (60:36)

Agreed. 1,000%. I love when Mr. Beast is like, I gotta sit, I gotta sit down.

Will Friedle (60:41)

But then we spend like 10 minutes talking about how historic this is. And I was like, I get it, I get it. It's a big deal. It's cool. Let's move on.

Rider Strong (60:48)

Yeah, they're stroke and Survivor a little bit. That's what they do.

Will Friedle (60:50)

And then we get a live tribal like I've never seen before where they're literally just strategizing and walking back and forth and everyone's making their plans. Can we just call it a live bull?

Rider Strong (60:58)

Why does nobody do lival, a libel, a live bowl, a live bull. It's a live tribal.

Will Friedle (61:06)

Before they go to vote, Stephanie plays her steal a vote. She's going to steal Devin's vote, which makes sense considering he's already safe and not voting. And she votes twice for Aubrey, which turns out to be the only non Stephanie votes.

Rider Strong (61:20)

It was unanimous. Yeah.

Will Friedle (61:22)

That was intense.

Martha Stewart (61:24)

That's.

Rider Strong (61:24)

I mean, I'm not surprised that she went with the way she played it tonight and the way she kind of got thrown under the bus too by Jonathan. But I am surprised that it was unanimous. Not a single person voted for anybody else. Amazing. I thought Aubrey might get a vote or two or even Jonathan after what he did, might get a vote or

Will Friedle (61:41)

two or just splitting it with Devin's like they had talked about or. No, no, no, he's not.

Rider Strong (61:45)

But maybe somebody like a Rizzo or an Ozzy, somebody getting another vote.

Will Friedle (61:49)

But.

Rider Strong (61:49)

But no, couldn't do it, I guess for Jonathan to save himself. He couldn't have voted for Azie.

Will Friedle (61:55)

Right.

Rider Strong (61:56)

To make it look like I never said that, dude. And I would never put your name down. It's like you. You brought that up, bro.

Will Friedle (62:02)

It's going to be so interesting to see how next week goes.

Rider Strong (62:04)

Oh, I know. He kind of I feel a little bit different now wearing the pants, cuz I feel like. Like these, these pants are a little bit. They're kind of lies. They're patches of lies right now.

Martha Stewart (62:13)

A little bit.

Rider Strong (62:14)

So. Yeah, we'll see.

Will Friedle (62:15)

See.

Rider Strong (62:17)

All right.

Will Friedle (62:18)

You got a Survivor for me this week?

Rider Strong (62:20)

I sure do, cuz it's Will's history of Survivor.

Will Friedle (62:28)

Wow. I don't know what kind of song that was.

Rider Strong (62:30)

Don't neither, frankly. I write them at night and this time when I did it originally, I had a whole backup orchestra.

Will Friedle (62:35)

It sounded a little different.

Rider Strong (62:36)

Tonight we're going to talk about Jose Salvador Alvarenga is who we're going to talk about, my friend. He's a Salvadorian fisherman and author who was found on January 30, 2014. He was either 36 or 37 on the Marshall Islands after spending 14 months adrift in a small fishing boat in the Pacific Ocean beginning on November 17, 2012.

Will Friedle (63:00)

No.

Rider Strong (63:01)

Yes. He survived mainly on a diet of raw fish, turtles, small birds, sharks and rainwater. He swam to shore at Tile Inlet, a small island that's part of the eben Atoll, on January 30. Two local. I have their names too, because I know everything. Emmy Liebocchimeto and Russell La.

Will Friedle (63:19)

It's so funny how you know these names and that you can't pronounce them.

Rider Strong (63:22)

Well, in my head I have this weird thing where it's pronunciation. I have a problem with that. Roeder, you know that they found him naked and clutching a knife and shouting in Spanish. He was treated in a hospital before flying home to his family in el Salvador on February 10th. Now, again, there are certain people that are trying to poke holes in the story of whether this happened or not. For instance, he actually left with another person who apparently refused to eat after four months and died on the boat. But they never found that guy's body. So there's a lot of different stuff that are going on.

Will Friedle (63:53)

That he might have eaten him?

Rider Strong (63:54)

No, he specifically said that because he was a Christian, he would never have eaten the body, which I found odd because other survivors we have not yet talked about, but the people that survived the flight of wherever, the soccer team that ate each other. One of the reasons they were able to eat each other is because they said it was like the body of Christ and that's how you're sustainable. So they were devoutly Christian as well. So yes.

Will Friedle (64:21)

Yeah, that seems like a weak argument.

Rider Strong (64:24)

I'm just gonna let you know, even if you're just asleep, I'm Gonna start eating you if we're on the boat. I might just take a flip.

Will Friedle (64:32)

No, you're gonna wait for me to die. No, no, no.

Rider Strong (64:35)

You might have to hobble around. But I'm gonna be satiate.

Will Friedle (64:37)

Unlike day two. Exactly.

Rider Strong (64:40)

Oh, yeah. This would be a cruise. There'd still be a buffet downstairs.

Will Friedle (64:44)

This is when we run out of ice cream on the cruise ship. Exactly.

Rider Strong (64:47)

Wait a second. The Buffet's closed at 3am I'm eating Ryder. I'm taking Ryder. That's.

Will Friedle (64:52)

Give me your foot.

Rider Strong (64:55)

Just the way it is. So again, shout out Jose Salvador Alvarenga for living for 14 months.

Will Friedle (65:01)

It seems like surviving in the ocean is the harshest. Like the worst. Yeah, yeah, no thanks.

Rider Strong (65:08)

I mean, I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't imagine also just how the vast nothingness wouldn't just get used. Just be floating in space. Like it would just drive the infinite nothingness. Must scare the hell out of me. Yeah, crazy. Crazy.

Will Friedle (65:23)

You've been listening to podmi's Twirl. The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time at Tribal Trap your smoking.

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