Pod Meets Twirl'd: The Traitors 406

Summary

Pod Meets World – "Pod Meets Twirl’d: The Traitors 406"

Original Air Date: January 24, 2026
Hosts: Will Friedle & Rider Strong

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Will Friedle and Rider Strong continue their foray into The Traitors Season 4, Episode 6, dissecting the drama, gameplay, and interpersonal dynamics of the Peacock reality show. As two "Boy Meets World" alums turned reality TV rewatchers, they bring their signature humor and behind-the-scenes insights to analyzing the strategies, personalities, and infamous breakfast salmon of the castle-bound cast. The episode is peppered with debates over hair trends, reality competition strategy, and pop culture tangents, offering both sharp analysis and laugh-out-loud banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Hair Politics & Alan Cumming Admiration (03:09–05:15)

• Will jokes about how he'll start dressing like Alan Cumming, the show’s host, known for his flamboyant wardrobe.
• The hosts reminisce about 90s hair trends, including frosted tips, dye disasters, and "Sun-In"—a product that probably wasn’t entirely safe.
  • Quote: “Sun-In was like a spray bottle that you would spray in your hair… and then when you stayed in the sun, it would make your hair lighter… I’m sure it was horribly unhealthy.” – Will (05:01)
• Tone set for a free-wheeling, comedic discussion style.

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2. The "Salmon Saga" and Breakfast Oddities (06:31–07:43)

• Recurring jokes about the persistent on-screen drama of someone allegedly eating all the salmon at breakfast.
  • “It’s like a red herring. Fish thing.” – Ryder (07:23)
• Hosts speculate if the editors are setting up some future twist or just running with an inside joke.

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3. Editing, "Cancel Culture," & Michael’s Absence (07:43–09:20)

• Noted omission: Michael’s controversial comments from the previous episode aren’t referenced in the recap or edit.
• The hosts suspect this is either a production choice to avoid fueling controversy or a result of players agreeing to move on:
  • “Maybe they just didn’t want to walk that minefield… He dug his own grave. He lost. He got kicked off the show. We don’t need to keep talking about it." – Ryder (08:16)

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4. Game Strategy Dissected: Shields & Trust (10:02–11:46)

• Debate over why no one took a shield during the turret scene—a potential sign of trust or strategic misstep.
• The Traitors' plans and Lisa Rinna’s over-the-top persona get special attention. Will and Ryder riff on the performative self-confidence seen in reality TV (11:17).

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5. Lisa Rinna Under Fire (13:23–15:15)

• Colton confronts Lisa about her sunglasses, sparking classic reality TV suspicion.
  • “There are three reasons to wear sunglasses inside: You are drunk, or high, or hungover… or you’re an asshole. Those are the only three reasons.” – Will (12:30)
• Both hosts find Lisa’s defense unconvincing, noting her instinct to escalate rather than defuse:
  • “She literally says nothing… just yells and says no. Add a little something!” – Ryder (14:29)
• They empathize with how hard it must be to convincingly lie in such a high-stakes setting.

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6. Social Strategy & Chess as Metaphor (16:15–18:40)

• Ron and Rob’s chess match serves as a metaphor for under-the-radar strategic players.
  • Will: “Never think someone’s an idiot if the way they pass their time is by constantly playing chess… He’s by far the best player in the game.”
• Johnny and Mark’s attempts to build alliances (the now-classic "group of eight") are analyzed—hosts note the risks of trusting too many people and the edit’s focus.

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7. Escape Room Challenge: “Cabin in the Woods” (23:13–30:09)

• A horror-themed escape room challenge delights Ryder, with its special effects, hidden clues, Ouija boards, and even bugs.
• Strategic moment: Natalie calls out that anyone who touches a shield will be instantly banished, ensuring group compliance. The hosts debate the logic behind seeking shields, noting Jam Jam’s compulsive focus on game trinkets.
  • “It’s not a good strategy. When you don’t have a target on your back, don’t do it.” – Will (29:09)
• Discussion about Survivor-style idol obsession vs. the unique mechanics of The Traitors.

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8. Strategic Shifts: Ron, Rob, and the Ethics of the Game (30:09–33:46)

• Rob vocalizes his dilemma about whether to vote for Ron, influenced by Ron’s genuine camaraderie and in-game relationships.
• They speculate that Rob’s emotional connection may have led to a "bad move" from a pure strategy perspective, or possibly a deeper long-game play to maintain trust with remaining players.
  • “This is why as an assassin, you can never let your emotions get the better of you.” – Will (47:33)

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9. Colton’s Proposal: Faithful & Traitor Alliance? (33:09–34:33)

• Colton tries to align with Lisa, suggesting she protect him from murder and he’ll protect her from banishment—a bluff Lisa steadfastly rebuffs.
  • “If you think this through, they can protect each other for tonight... but then he will never keep the money at the end.” – Ryder (33:24)
• The hosts are impressed the show’s format technically allows such a move, noting its historical novelty.

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10. The Roundtable and Ron’s Emotional Exit (37:28–40:54)

• Colton is called out for reckless gameplay and admits to it.
• Ron delivers an emotional speech before likely banishment, swaying cast members and hosts alike.
  • “It was a brilliant kind of move… where he’s like, I know I’m gonna leave, I just want to say…” – Will (38:11)
• Despite a brief surge of doubt, the group sticks to original plans and votes Ron out; Ron is revealed to be a Faithful.
• Analysis of how, despite constant wrong guesses, certain players' mistakes are more forgiven than others.

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11. “Murder in Plain Sight” – A New Traitors Twist (44:43–45:50)

• The episode ends with the introduction of the “Murder in Plain Sight” banquet, a clever new mechanic for the traitors: a poisoned amulet that must be passed during dinner.
  • “It’s so on-brand and cool. The idea of a banquet… so clever. But this would be even more of a nightmare.” – Ryder (45:07)
• Will shares a tangent about a poisoner in a fantasy novel, capturing the intrigue and theatrics of the new Traitors twist.

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12. Will’s “History of Traitors” Segment (47:41–49:39)

• Will debuts a comedic new segment, highlighting La Malinche—a famed historical traitor from the 1500s.
  • Quote: “Here, her knowledge of the indigenous culture proved invaluable in helping the Spanish defeat the Aztecs. And today, she is still despised by the Mexicans as a turncoat who deceived her people for money and power.” – Will (49:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Lisa’s Defense:
  “She literally says nothing… just yells and says no. Add a little something!” – Ryder (14:29)
• On Reality TV Sunglasses:
  “There are three reasons to wear sunglasses inside: You are drunk, or high, or hungover… or you’re an asshole.” – Will (12:30)
• On the Chess Undercover Strategy:
  “Never think someone’s an idiot if the way they pass their time is by constantly playing chess… He’s by far the best player in the game.” – Will (17:35)
• On Colton’s Bold Move:
  “I’ll protect you around the table. You protect me in the turret.” – Ryder quoting Colton (34:22)
• On Emotional Banishments:
  “This is why as an assassin you can never let your emotions get the better of you, my friend.” – Will (47:33)
• On the Banquet Twist:
  “It’s so on-brand and cool. The idea of a banquet… so clever. But this would be even more of a nightmare.” – Ryder (45:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening hair/dressing chat: 03:09–05:15
• Salmon breakfast discussion: 06:31–07:43
• Cancel culture and editing: 07:43–09:20
• Game mechanics & shields: 10:02–11:46; 26:53–30:03
• Lisa’s performance & sunglasses: 13:23–15:15
• Chess and strategy talk: 16:15–18:40
• Escape room challenge: 23:13–30:09
• Ron & Rob’s alliance: 16:15–18:40; 30:09–33:46
• Colton & Lisa's proposal: 33:09–34:33
• Emotional roundtable and banishment: 37:28–40:54
• Banquet—murder in plain sight: 44:43–45:50
• Will’s History of Traitors segment: 47:41–49:39

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Summary & Tone

The episode seamlessly blends sharp analysis of The Traitors’ evolving gameplay with personal anecdotes, pop culture references, and self-deprecating wit. Will and Ryder’s playful dynamic invites the audience to enjoy both the absurdity and intensity of reality TV, offering as much entertainment in their banter as in their insights. The stakes are rising, alliances are shifting, and—like the egg-and-salmon breakfast—nothing is quite what it seems.

Teaser: With the murder-in-plain-sight twist hanging in the air, Will and Ryder anticipate even trickier social chess next week—and even more room for betrayals, breakdowns, and boiled eggs.

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Transcript

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[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Cue the hood.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So are we just going to always have a video clip of you in the hood to start us off?

[Will Friedle]

I was just thinking the same thing. I was like, if they don't use it every week, I'm just in the hood.

[Ryder Strong]

Always be doing my intros.

[Will Friedle]

It's just me in the hood for.

[Ryder Strong]

Maybe you should just like, spontaneously wear it halfway through an episode or like, a good idea.

[Will Friedle]

I'm going to start dressing more and more like Alan Cumming because he is fabulous every week.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't. Like. He dyes his hair different colors.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Can you, like, wash that out that easily?

[Will Friedle]

I think you can, but I also think it's really bad for your hair to continually change colors. I think is not healthy for your hair.

[Ryder Strong]

I just. I know that we dyed Indy's hair. He wanted to have blue hair when he was doing, like, a rock concert thing. And it was like. It was blue forever. Oh, my God, it was so much blue. Like, blue all over the.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, you and I did weird shit with our hair, but you never did any colors.

[Ryder Strong]

No, I didn't either. Okay. So I did frosted tips. Yeah, I did. When I did the movie Buck Naked Arson, I got frosted tips because my brother was in it, and we wanted to make sure we look different, so I wanted to have, like, lighter hair. And that's it. That's like, the only. The only real dye.

[Will Friedle]

I did the same. I did frosted tips in the 90s, and then I did kind of a reddish orange for hockey sticks.

[Ryder Strong]

Right? That's right. Yeah, I remember that.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

They wanted, like. I wanted to, like, bleach my hair at one point when I was, like, 10, I wanted to, like, bleach the top of my hair because I think there was, like, a really cool kid on my soccer team who had that, like, swoop, like, soccer team.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God. I imagine the hippie soccer team must have been interesting.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, soccer's big up and up.

[Will Friedle]

In is because it's basically a big hacky sack. I get it.

[Ryder Strong]

But anyway, my. My parents wouldn't let me, which is interesting to think about now. Like, you ever.

[Will Friedle]

Did you have. Did you ever do sun in? You remember sun in?

[Ryder Strong]

No.

[Will Friedle]

So sun in was like, this might have. They might have stopped it because it was basically all carcinogens, I'm sure.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

It was a Spray bottle that you would spray in your hair, and then when you stayed in the sun, it would make your hair lighter.

[Ryder Strong]

Huh.

[Will Friedle]

So it was. That's.

[Ryder Strong]

So it was like a sun bleaching process.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Just called.

[Ryder Strong]

Sounds really cool. But that's.

[Will Friedle]

I'm sure it was horribly unhealthy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Will Friedle]

My scalp's bleeding. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, Pop Beats world. Brought to you by sun. In.

[Ryan Seacrest]

By Sun.

[Will Friedle]

Class action lawsuit against Sundance. Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, here we are.

[Will Friedle]

Finally.

[Ryder Strong]

We can cover an episode without knowing what the next episode is going to be. Just taking one at a time. Yeah. Because a lot happens in one episode on this show. Like.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And when you get into it, like when we did four for our first, like, recording session, just too much, man. I think that, like, this show is so much better in little doses. Why do you think they did that? Why do you think they released four in a row? I don't.

[Will Friedle]

My guess is probably it's something along the lines of we still don't know what all the streaming numbers are.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

So my guess is you take what has to be one of their biggest shows and you flood it because you want people to buy Peacock or download Peacock because they want to get traders. And so my guess is that's why they do it. Why they do four and then three and then one or whatever they did three and then two and then one. That I don't understand. That doesn't make any sense. It's like, okay, front load it, do three, but then do one after that.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

But no, my answer to that is I do not know.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, well, at breakfast we learn no.

[Will Friedle]

One was murdered, but we also learn plenty of salmon. The first thing that she said, first.

[Ryder Strong]

Shot of the show. Okay, so they have to be developing a storyline here. Something is going to happen in, like, the closing twist of the. Because you would never leave all this in just as, like a weird, like, joke. Right, Right. It's. So it's either like the great, like an editor just having the funnest time in the world, or somebody's going to, like, turn on somebody because they ate all the salmon.

[Will Friedle]

Do you know what I mean?

[Ryder Strong]

Like, it's going to be like, no, you're a traitor because you took the salmon and you lied about it or something like that.

[Will Friedle]

And it's going to.

[Ryder Strong]

It's going to be like, you know, the clue. It's going to be like the thing that turns the whole mystery around.

[Will Friedle]

It's a weird storyline to just keep going with.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like a red herring.

[Will Friedle]

Fish Thing.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Stop.

[Ryder Strong]

I think it's. I think it's going to end up being like an essential clue to or essential twist for somebody. Like turn on somebody else or.

[Will Friedle]

I hope so. I hope I really.

[Ryder Strong]

They always ate salmon and then they didn't this morning. They must be lying.

[Will Friedle]

Do you also notice when they did the recap of the last episode they did not put in Michael's comment.

[Ryder Strong]

I noticed that they kind of. This whole episode.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Which do you think they just didn't want to.

[Will Friedle]

Maybe they just didn't want to walk that minefield or. I mean, who knows. But I was kind of amazed that they didn't throw in that comment.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, well, you know, we're in an interesting time with stuff like that. Cause I feel like, you know, the sort of cancel culture moment that we've had been living through for a while.

[Will Friedle]

Oh cyclically it seems like it's over.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. It's subsided a lot. And I think that people are a little exhausted by the self righteousness of like just pointing fingers and so maybe that was enough. They were just like, he dug his own grave. He. He lost. He got kicked off the show. We don't need to, we don't need.

[Will Friedle]

To bracket it again.

[Ryder Strong]

Keep talking about it. No, because I kind of half expected Colton to bring it up or to like. And it's just kind of like no, you know, he said something shitty and we all moved on and I was like, good, good for the show. Kind of, you know, like I'm sure he's dealt with it in public, like social media and stuff. Michael's probably dealing with the follow. So the show doesn't need to like align itself with like.

[Will Friedle]

That's the question too is I'm so curious as to the editing process of the show. I know, Me too. Because you wonder what the. What they're cutting out. And it was one of two things. Either everyone got together and decided we're not going to mention this again or the show went, we're going to edit around it. We don't need it anymore. Either one. I agree with both. Both of those possibilities.

[Ryder Strong]

I agree too. I think it's like, you know, let's just. We did the thing we could do. We don't need to like, you know, keep patting ourselves on the back or keep being aghast at how awful Michael was. They didn't even talk about him at all.

[Will Friedle]

Which is they mentioned him kind of one time at the, at the round table, which was great.

[Ryder Strong]

But it's also interesting because they were wrong. You Know like they, they, they did the right thing, but they're playing poorly.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. Still. Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

They continue to play poorly. Yep. Ah, okay.

[Will Friedle]

At this game they're most of them. Except for Rob, who's a freaking genius.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, is he anymore?

[Will Friedle]

I mean, I. We'll get into that.

[Ryder Strong]

We'll get into it. Yeah, it's, it's a good.

[Will Friedle]

It's a good. I'm get into it. All right.

[Ryder Strong]

So we get a flashback to the turret where Allan delivered the news that they don't get to murder anybody. Pause that scene because we do come back. There's more to it. But at this point that's all we get. So surprised.

[Will Friedle]

Were you surprised nobody took a shield?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I actually was.

[Will Friedle]

I kind of was a little bit too. I thought they were going to say somebody took a shield. I was pleasantly surprised that everybody stuck to their word.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Yeah. So the, the Traders were planning on banishing Ron or letting Ron get banished. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Of course.

[Ryder Strong]

And then murdering Colton because he has said Lisa's name. Dared to say Lisa's name. She's gonna cut his throat again. Oh my God, this language. I'm just like, dude, I wouldn't say this thing. I'm sorry. Like I, you know, because she said.

[Will Friedle]

A couple things this week too where it's like just making your middle name doesn't make you awesome.

[Ryder Strong]

That's what I was gonna say. I forgot to say in my intro. I'm Ryder strong. I was Ryder strong before traitors and I'm Ryder strong after Pod meets Twirled. I love it. I was like, that is like, what does that mean? It means nothing. But I kind of like that. I kind of. You know, somebody did say that to me once. Like I did something and I was like maybe I shouldn't have done that or I don't know. I was like trying to be humble and they're like, no, you're right. Or strong. And I remember being like, what a cool way to live. I wish I could never do that.

[Will Friedle]

I wish like that self aggrandizing kind of amazingness where the confidence to be.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, you know, who cares?

[Will Friedle]

A runner. I would.

[Ryder Strong]

At least in your own head. I wouldn't say it out loud but you know, maybe that's a little. Cause I mean, come on. You probably. I mean, I know you're gonna say because of the panic attacks and the anxiety, but I know you were a super confident guy when you were a teenager on Boy Meets World. Before anxiety.

[Will Friedle]

Creepy. Maybe a year. For like a year or two. Maybe not. Right at the beginning and not at the end. But there's a lot of heavy seasons.

[Ryder Strong]

You've got to have so much confidence in yourself to be that funny and to go that far in jokes.

[Will Friedle]

And I feel definitely comedically confident. But then I go home and just sit by my. In the dark. But, you know, that's true. I never left my house, even early on.

[Ryder Strong]

No, not really. I feel like in conversations, I could. I could. I. I could see a track in your head going, yeah, I'm Will Ferdell in a good way. I'm saying this is a compliment. No, no, it's a positive thing.

[Will Friedle]

I think the funniest thing is when we. The twist is actually finding out her legal name is Lisa.

[Ryder Strong]

Lisa.

[Will Friedle]

It's like. It's actually. It's pronounced Fouken. It is a old Scottish name from my. My family side, so.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

That would.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, well. Colton immediately calls out Lisa for the sunglasses, which is a good point.

[Will Friedle]

I am a huge proponent of that. I've always said there's three reasons to wear sunglasses. Inside, you are drunk or high or hungover or hungover. You've just been in a fight or you're an asshole. Those are the only three reasons to wear sunglasses.

[Ryder Strong]

I cannot agree more, man. Like, yeah, I used to. I worked with the director. Blake Edwards, legendary film director married to Julie Anders. And he now never took his sunglasses on while directing. On a stage.

[Will Friedle]

Nope.

[Ryder Strong]

A sound stage with lighting.

[Will Friedle]

It was always like, I judge you, sir. I judge you.

[Ryder Strong]

What a jackass.

[Will Friedle]

Take your glasses off. Don't trust anybody. Won't let me see their eyes.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, so, yeah, the salmon thing comes up again. Colton pulls Dorinda aside immediately and just starts getting right into. It's Lisa, Lisa, Lisa.

[Will Friedle]

But here's the thing. He's.

[Ryder Strong]

He's. He's.

[Will Friedle]

He's right, obviously, but he's lost all credibility.

[Ryder Strong]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

It's gone.

[Ryder Strong]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

So it sucks because he's finally aiming in the right direction, but aiming with a completely unloaded firearm.

[Ryder Strong]

But every time that he pushes her, either in public or even when they're alone, she's not very good.

[Will Friedle]

She's terrible.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. She's like, what? I. I mean, I would just. I would have caved.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, it's.

[Ryder Strong]

It's.

[Will Friedle]

It's just. It's strange because it seems like her. And I'm not trying to come at her personally. I don't know her, but it seems like her acting should be better than it is. And it. Maybe it's. And here's the other thing. I'm sure there is a. Something psychological, some kind of name for it where we think we know that she's lying because we in fact know that she's lying. Does that make sense?

[Ryder Strong]

Like, no, I know.

[Will Friedle]

I know she's not telling the truth. So we could be like, she's bad. I know she's not telling the truth.

[Ryder Strong]

But it's actually. It's not even the performance because the performance. I agree.

[Will Friedle]

Like, but.

[Ryder Strong]

And that's. I. It's hard to know because I.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

I think I trust everybody all the time. The time. Like, I'm not good at spotting liars. Healthy. I just assume that I, you know, so it's not really the bad, like, bad performance. It's like she literally says nothing. She just like, no.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm not a traitor. You're a traitor.

[Will Friedle]

I'm a faithful.

[Ryder Strong]

You're faithful. It's like. And it's like just add a little bit more. Just like, yeah, I'm trying to play it cool because blah, blah, blah. Or I came and instead she just yells and says, no, I'm not. It's like, give a little something. And you know.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. If you literally, if, if, if you're self aware enough to say something like, look, I'm one of the housewives. I'm on a show where yell at each other all the time. This is a game. I figured I'd come in and try to actually play the game and quiet down.

[Ryder Strong]

Listen. That would be an argument, right.

[Will Friedle]

That, I mean, that I know makes more sense than just going, no, I'm a fake.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, the one little move she does at breakfast is she says she's going to housewife it up. And so she asks for wine and champagne. And I was like, oh, she's going to. She's going to play big. But then she didn't really stick with it for the rest of the episode. I, you know, until she was yelling.

[Will Friedle]

The ridiculous bowl of peeled eggs that they're passing around like a salad bowl filled with hard boiled eggs that had already been shelled. Very strange. Giant bowl of eggs. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So it's just. It's a show about eggs and salmon.

[Will Friedle]

It is. To me. It's eggs and salmon is what. Then they asked for toast at one point and it was all the toast points.

[Ryder Strong]

All right. So after breakfast, the players discuss strategy. And everyone's still on Ron. Everyone's still on Ron except for Colton, who is dead set on Lisa. Yeah. And I, you know, I was just like, we talked about This a lot last time. So, you know, I don't think we need to beat it to death, but I do feel Ron is just unfairly kind of getting jumped on.

[Will Friedle]

And he knows it, too. And he kind of leaned into it this time where he was just like, everything. I'm gonna go. Like, everybody knows I'm gonna be kicked off.

[Ryder Strong]

So Lisa gives a horrible performance saying no in the kitchen. It was just like, what is wrong with you? Like, I don't know, but maybe I wouldn't catch it. I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know either.

[Ryder Strong]

Really interesting scene with Ron and Robb playing chess. And, you know, Ron's basically admitting that everyone's gonna vote him out, and he knows it. And then Rob basically admitting, like, no one takes me seriously. They just think I'm a dumb Southern boy. Ron is very kind. Compliments him, goes out of his way, which is super interesting, given how much he was like, my family's none of your business to do last week. Or.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Instead, now he's like, I've seen you with your family, how you are. You're a good man. Like, he gives, you know. But anyway, these two. These two guys bond, which I was like, where's this going? Like, this is not a good move for Rob. And because he's, you know, he knows they're going to banish him, and he should probably be supportive of that because it's good for his trader strategy, which turns out to be kind of an issue. So Ron's complimenting worked.

[Will Friedle]

I love it. I love what he's doing. It's also, never think somebody's an idiot if the way they pass their time is by constantly playing chess. You're not an idiot. So he might. Absolutely, absolutely. If that's the way you like to pass the time is, I want to sit down, I want to play chess with people. Chances are you're not an idiot. It's just a thinking game. So it shows that you like strategy, you like to think you like chess is. Is literally designed to think several moves ahead.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

So, I mean, the idea that this is what this guy loves to do is sit down and play chess. He's totally playing under the radar. He's really. He's by far the best in the game, in my opinion, by far the best player in the game.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Super likable. So everybody loves.

[Ryder Strong]

All the people are coming up to.

[Will Friedle]

Him going, like, I love you in this shirt. You're my traitor's husband. Like, I'll never vote for you. And meanwhile, he's Killing people left and right.

[Ryder Strong]

And meanwhile, in the library, we had Johnny making moves, and he. He started this whole plan about getting a group of eight, which seems like a risk. I mean, like, it's a lot of people to trust.

[Will Friedle]

I bet.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, like, it's. It's hard because I feel like Johnny and Mark are both actually playing pretty well, but they're just getting edited. Like, they're.

[Will Friedle]

They're.

[Ryder Strong]

They're being down. Yeah. But, like, they make moves. Like, you watch them, they're, like, trying to do stuff and they're grabbing people and pulling them into discussion. It's just less personal, dramatic, and it doesn't. It ultimately doesn't work. It hasn't gone anywhere. Like, they've.

[Will Friedle]

They've been.

[Ryder Strong]

I haven't been able to make any of these big moves that they want to, but I think they are playing. So I wouldn't be surprised if those guys become pretty important players. As I said, Johnny.

[Will Friedle]

Johnny is my. Is my kind of dark horse. But at the same time, when you're like, we need five, but we need eight people, and he names eight, and three of three of them are the.

[Ryder Strong]

Traders, I know that you're like, okay, but that's the problem with the whole strategy is, like, you can't. Yeah, you can't build an alliance and then point fingers at, like, just the person that everyone was probably gonna vote for anyway, you know? I mean, in this case, they. They are talking about maybe going to Colton, but, like, I. Either. It feels like they're just kind of grasping at straws and it's. But at least they're trying. At least they're doing something. You know, so many people are just kind of not doing anything.

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[Will Friedle]

I have a very strong feeling that when the show ends, we're gonna hear from Mark Ballas, we're gonna hear from Kristen, we're gonna hear from Johnny, we're gonna hear from Tara. All kind of saying we, we would talk for hours at night and we're like not in the show at all because I, they finally cut to Mark in, in a, a talking head where he's by himself and I'm like, oh God, have, have we had this yet? Have we had Mark actually talking to the camera by himself? Like, I'm not sure we've seen that before. So. But that might also kind of be the best way to do it. You just fly under the radar. The next thing you know there's six of you left and then the game kind of starts.

[Ryder Strong]

Right, Right.

[Will Friedle]

So who knows?

[Ryder Strong]

It's hard with this many people, man. Yeah. I mean, it does feel like they're just attacking the weakest social, weakest player and taking them out to thin the herd, and they keep screwing up.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So Colton says he's going to tell as many people about Lisa so that if he's murdered, she has a target on her back, which is. Seems like a smart Rollo Tomasi. I know Tomasi. Rolo Tomasi. All right, then we go to the cabin. Creepy cabin in the woods.

[Will Friedle]

Second time they used this last season to the cabin. And then last time I argue, it was even more creepy last time. It was filled floor to ceiling with those creepy dolls. Like, the part of the thing was all you had to find the right doll that talked or whatever. Super creepy.

[Ryder Strong]

I love this. Once again, the show is completely my style as, like, a fan of horror as the star of a movie called Cabin Fever. This is, like, my jam. And it was so fun. Like, I thought the. All the special effects and, like, little, you know, like.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know.

[Ryder Strong]

When I first went in, I was like, what is this? Just some set decoration. But then they actually had, like, set pieces and, like, special effects and, like, hands coming out of graves. This was cool.

[Will Friedle]

I think this escape room, is it this kind of like this, like, you sit?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, but not this good. But yes, like, that, you mean. I love escape rooms. I've done them all the time. And, like, one. Oh, dude, they're so fun. And there's so many different types of, like, you know, some of them are like. I've done ones where you're trying to break into something. Like, you're a heist robbing a bank. I've done ones where you're at, like, an archeological dig that discovered aliens. And you've got to, like. And you're.

[Will Friedle]

You're.

[Ryder Strong]

You're going to. The crew ahead of you that disappeared, so you got to, like, piece together what happened to them to get out of the dig.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Dud.

[Will Friedle]

The end.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, the production design is usually pretty good. Like, you know, there's usually it's. And you get to touch everything, and you're, like, looking through drawers. And I did one on the Queen Mary when we were there a couple weeks ago.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And you're in the Queen Mary. You're like. And. Yeah, it was really fun, man.

[Will Friedle]

There's a Scooby doo1 at CityWalk, apparently.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

I got.

[Ryder Strong]

Maybe we should. That'll be a pod meets world.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Adventure and escape room.

[Will Friedle]

I love it.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, so they got to do these cryptic clues. Can you do an impression of Alan? Coming. Explaining the rules for this one. Grab the coins. There's a shield, but only half a shield behind the gravestone after the cryptic.

[Will Friedle]

What?

[Ryder Strong]

I just. I stopped. I just didn't even care. I'm like, I'm gonna figure it out. And also, it kind of doesn't matter. This one is. This one was really good, actually. Like, I thought this one, you know, because it wasn't as physical. It actually took a little bit of mental energy and teamwork, but they also kind of skipped over, like, they just rushed through the last three clues to do. So.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. My guess is it took forever to do them all, but I love how they're like. And if you win today, you will win $14,241. It's like. Wait, what? It was $18,000 was there? It's just there's such weird numbers that they're picking to win, but I. My guess is this took a lot longer than they thought. So they did the first two to let people know what was going on, and then they buzzed through the rest the of to them. Yeah, it went.

[Ryder Strong]

Because it went really fast, but I thought the clues were really cool. Like, and I think it was Ron that says, like, I'm really proud of us like this. We're doing really well. And I was like, beside. They only missed the first one.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. And, you know, and also, we forgot to talk about the fact that they did what they did last time. And your favorite. Natalie said exactly what I said they should say. They're like, oh, and there's shields out there if you want it. And she's like, all right. Nobody takes a shield, and anybody who touches the shield, we're banishing.

[Ryder Strong]

So smart.

[Will Friedle]

Call it out right there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Jam.

[Ryder Strong]

Jam was gonna do it, man.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Like, he was even considering even after that. He was.

[Ryder Strong]

But in this case, it didn't mean that nobody would get murdered.

[Will Friedle]

Right. It just meant that you wouldn't get murdered.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. So I was a little confused, like.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, by.

[Ryder Strong]

By both things. I was a little confused by, like, Natalie making the pronouncement, which I think is smart. Like, that's actually the way to play. But. But I wonder if she thought that if anybody took a shield, that they would be that. That. I mean, that. I thought. I was wondering if she thought that as long as they don't take a shield, nobody would get murdered. Because that was.

[Will Friedle]

No, because I think. She didn't say that, like, you won't get Killed. She just said, anybody who banished will banish you. Because if I was wrong, I mean, Ron wasn't going to get murdered. He knew he wasn't going to get murdered because he was going to be kicked out. So the traitors are kind of like, why do I need to murder you? So he wouldn't. A shield probably wouldn't have helped him anyway.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

So you wonder who that. I mean, Colton is probably somebody who's like, hey, man, I've swung and missed twice now. I could use a shield after me because they might murder me or something. So who knows? Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, if he. Colton actually should have gotten a shield and then just gone for Lisa big time. Because that's kind of his strategy already. He's like, look, I'm gonna out her as much. I'm gonna come at her as hard as I can.

[Will Friedle]

So why do you think Jam Jam wanted one so bad's.

[Ryder Strong]

Just scared all the time.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Because he's like. He, like, cried when they burned his effigy.

[Will Friedle]

His shield.

[Ryder Strong]

His effigy. It's like, dude, like. And nobody really said his name, right.

[Will Friedle]

No. Nobody at all.

[Ryder Strong]

Early on, he was. He was on the chopping block, but not now.

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[Ryder Strong]

Michael was calling him out.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Why do you think you need a shield so badly, dude? I don't know.

[Ryder Strong]

He was ready to take it, though, naturally. Hadn't said that.

[Will Friedle]

Or the equivalent in Survivor. Is there some reason he's hooked on.

[Ryder Strong]

Those from Survivor Idols? Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So if you get one of those, like, you can't be. So maybe it's the same kind of thing.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

He just thinks it's part of the game and you need to go for them.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Ryder Strong]

They're like shiny objects and he's just going after them.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Because it's not a good strategy. No, no. Like, it's when you don't have a target on your back. Don't do it.

[Will Friedle]

Like. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

If he felt like everybody's coming for him, like, Colton probably should feel or Ron should feel. Oh, no. But it doesn't matter. It's not banishment. It's. No, see, this is the part that I can't wrap my head around. I keep getting confused between murder and banishment.

[Will Friedle]

Right, right. It's two.

[Ryder Strong]

Because there are two different groups that you're trying to appease. Right. You have to.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Keep the faithful happy by being part of the group and showing you. But, like, for him. Yeah. Jam Jam.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know. Would it make sense for a traitor, though, to be like, wait a second. I feel like I could be murdered tonight if I get a chance to get a shield. I want a shield because.

[Ryder Strong]

Traitor.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. Because then you're throw. Well, think about it. Because then you're throwing everybody off the scent. Like, a traitor can't be murdered. So if you stand up and you're like, I want a shield because I think I'm going to be murdered, people are going to be like, well, then he's obviously not a traitor, because why would he need a shield? You know what I mean?

[Ryder Strong]

Right. Right.

[Will Friedle]

So I want. Does that make sense or does that just put. Again, it seems like anything that. That puts the spotlight on you is bad in this game. So I don't know. I don't know. So crazy.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, we have a chainsaw breaking through a window.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

A Ouija board spelling out things, blood dripping down the walls. That was really cool. And the way it was, like, underlined. Yeah. And they were quick with that when they were like. Like, master of no Jack. And then that was.

[Will Friedle]

That was Rob.

[Ryder Strong]

That was Rob.

[Will Friedle]

Rob is solving all these things quickly.

[Ryder Strong]

He's a really smart dude. Luckily, Mora tells Jam, jam, I don't think you should take a shield.

[Will Friedle]

I don't. I don't think.

[Ryder Strong]

And then real bugs pouring out of a chest. That was creepy, dude. There's, like, maggots and stuff. I was like, what? That was crazy.

[Will Friedle]

La. Last year, one of the challenges was you each had to hold. You held hands with one partner, and they just covered you with bugs.

[Ryder Strong]

And if anybody freaked out and, like, broke their hands.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, they do one kind of, like, Fear Factory kind of thing.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, there you go.

[Will Friedle]

There you go.

[Ryder Strong]

All right. There was a doll singing the Alphabet at one point. They had the clock giving a clue, the calendar giving a clue. No one took a shield. Ultimately, it's a good round. They only lost one clue, and then they headed back. And on the ride back, Rob started saying that his heart is now saying, don't vote for Ron, which was like, yeah, dude, you. You kind of gotta vote for Ron. I was like, it's like, just because he. You have a good relationship with him or you like him if you want to win this game.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. But here's the thing. Three people go in to rob a bank. One of the robbers turns the gun on the other two, they walk with all the money. So eventually, if you've got a chance to swing and take out one of the traders, that's one less obstacle in the way for you. And he's done it to make it look like he used could. If this guy's as brilliant as he seems, it could be like, I'm going to use my cover of friendship, quote unquote with Ron to look like a good guy to everybody. Like, I just can't vote for him when in reality I want to get Lisa out of here because it's one less person I have to deal with. With.

[Ryder Strong]

But if wouldn't he be telling us the camera that.

[Will Friedle]

Who knows?

[Ryder Strong]

Because he's. He's telling the camera. He's the one saying, I know the smart thing to do. Let Ron get voted out and then kill Colton.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And because he's already calling on Lisa. But I like these two guys and my heart is. You know, and that's ultimately what happens. Like, I don't know. I. I agree. It ended up being, I think, a kind of a brilliant move because exactly what he says at the end of this episode where he's like, longevity, like, this is a game that we're going to have to keep playing. I think he's right about that. But I don't think that that's his rationale.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Probably at this point.

[Ryder Strong]

Because he goes out of his way. Right. Yeah, that's what I think. I think Ron just complimented him and made him feel good and he suddenly was like, I don't know. I like this guy. And then it feels. And the same way with Colton because with Colton, his argument is more valid because with Colton, he. He's done. I think he's told Colton he trusts him with other people around. Like, he's been part of a group with the. Colton's rallied with Ron. Like, nobody's been supportive of Ron. So, like, it does no good to be on Ron's side. And they kept their private moment, eating.

[Will Friedle]

Alone and everything like that.

[Ryder Strong]

So sad.

[Will Friedle]

It's like, oh, my God.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, so Rob went back at the castle in the kitchen, he in front of Candace, and Lisa says he doesn't think Ron is a traitor anymore. So. Cracks. Cracks.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

Johnny's trying to get his group of eight back together, getting Colton out instead of. And then this weird, like, confrontation that Colton has with Lisa, which was so interesting.

[Will Friedle]

Well, it's one of the things that you and I talked about. Remember this kind of. Has this ever happened before?

[Ryder Strong]

And I feel like she should have gone along with it.

[Will Friedle]

I kind of agree with you because she's not. No one's gonna buy this any longer. She's already had five votes. My guess is that's gonna continue and she's got an episode or two. Left.

[Ryder Strong]

Left. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

And the idea what he said when he looks in the camera and he's like, I'm gonna try something. I'm gonna. I'm gonna see if I can take. Take her hostage. It's like, wow, that's. That's a wow moment for me. I was like, that's ballsy, because you've got to walk up to somebody and be like, I know you're a traitor. Let's work together.

[Ryder Strong]

And that's what he did, is they were working together. Like, if you think this through, like, they can protect each other for tonight. Right, Right. So she will basically say to him, we will be keep killing faithfuls, but I'm not going to kill. I'll make sure that we never kill you and you make sure that they never banish me.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

But then he will never keep the money at the end.

[Will Friedle]

That's. I don't know how that would work at the end, because you can't. You can't finish until you all decide to finish. And there's not one trader left. Essentially, he just. Somebody has a train on somebody else.

[Ryder Strong]

He becomes. I mean, he's basically offering to become a trader. Like, I wonder if they would just say, okay, at a certain point in order for the game to just make. You're just one of the traders.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Yeah. But this answered our question, though. Has it. Has it Could. Did the rules allow a traitor and a faithful to work together? And apparently they do because they didn't stop him from doing. But no. But if she says yes, you got it. And I love the way he said it. He's like, I. I'll protect you around the table. You protect me in the turret.

[Ryder Strong]

And she's like, what?

[Will Friedle]

I don't know what you're talking about. What?

[Ryder Strong]

That's crazy. Yeah. It's so bad. I'm faithful. I'm a faithful.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Huh?

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[Ryder Strong]

Then we get to the, the roundtable where Colton is called out for being reckless.

[Will Friedle]

Which he is.

[Ryder Strong]

Which he is. He admits.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

He says I'm playing recklessly and are forcefully I think is what he said. Anyway, he, he basically defends his gameplay and understands why there's somewhat of a target on his back. But he doesn't really apologize for how he's playing no y. And then he, he, he goes right after Lisa and you know, I think like I think the, the, the team, it's, it's so hard because of course we know she's A traitor. But I really feel like they all just got hooked on Ron and then got completely emotionally turned when Ron took the time to say how much he liked each one of them.

[Will Friedle]

Brilliant kind of move where he's like, I just want to say, I know I'm gonna leave.

[Ryder Strong]

I just want to say he's like, I know you're gonna vote me out. So, you know, But I just love that they were all like, oh, wait, maybe we're not doing the right thing. It was like, yeah, because you have no evidence and this guy has no. All he can do is defend, you know, and, you know, the thing that the moment that was really interesting was when he pointed out to Colton that Colton's been wrong more than him.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. And everybody's forgiven Colton a hundred times. Eric was wrong. Everybody's wrong. But for some reason, they cannot get over Ron being wrong the first night.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. And it's a really good point. And Colton doesn't really have a defense except, you know, and the way Ron put it, he's like Michael because people just didn't like him. So it felt like they had done the right thing, but they actually played the game wrong and missed an opportunity to banish a real trader. And so that's that weird thing that the Michael situation has inserted into this game is that they all feel like Colton accomplished something when he did, but he. No, actually the opposite, like, hurt their game.

[Will Friedle]

I. I agree 100%. It also that shows you the power that Colton really does wield in that this was the first time anyone said lisa's at the table the first time. And it was just thrown out and she still ended up getting, like five votes.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Almost as many.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Almost for the first time anyone said his name. Colton said her name once, and almost half the people voted for her. It's like, wow, that was quick. Yep. So. But the way he said it, too, I love. I loved. I loved Ron at this round table.

[Ryder Strong]

Me, too.

[Will Friedle]

Where he. Where he literally said colton said something. He's like, you've missed more than I have. But we didn't like Michael, so that one didn't count. So did you have any other questions?

[Ryder Strong]

Yep.

[Will Friedle]

And then Colton just kept his mouth like, okay, I'll just shut up now. It was great. Yeah. I wanted to see that Ron more.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

And they even said a bunch of them said, look, ron, I'm sorry. I'm not even sure if it's you or not, but we've been thinking it's you for so long now. We need you to Stand in the circle and just tell us we need to remove the idea that you could be from the game. And it's like, okay, that's kind of not fair, but I also get it right.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, well, vote went around and now it was all kind of split. Like everyone had been, you know, there's the group of eight kind of going for Colton, maybe a big Ron, you know, contingency. And then suddenly Lisa's name was out there. And so it's. It kind of. At this, I really didn't know what to expect. I thought maybe Lisa was going home.

[Will Friedle]

Me, too. I thought he got. I thought maybe he got her. I thought maybe he pulled the rabbit out of his hat and. And he got her.

[Ryder Strong]

But so what. What do you think Rob was thinking at this point? That he. That he should vote for Lisa because she's probably going to get out or that he should vote for Lisa. Vote for Lisa knowing that it's probably still going to be Ron or maybe even Colton and that it would help him in the long term. Just look good to have voted for her.

[Will Friedle]

I think there's a third possibility which is one you touched on earlier, which is the absolute possibility that he just played badly tonight, really liked Ron, really liked Colton and just couldn't vote for either one of them.

[Ryder Strong]

Of them.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, There's. I don't know which one it is. I'd like to think it's probably a little bit of each because it is good for him in the long run with the faithfuls because he's like, well, yeah, but I didn't. I voted for Lisa that night. I didn't vote for Ron, you know.

[Ryder Strong]

So, yeah, the reason. The reason. I don't think the reason I'm here. Here's the thing that we need to think back on now. He knew that they had to do a murder in. In plain sight tonight.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, that's right before him because he.

[Ryder Strong]

Knew before he already knew. So he knew that she had to do a murder in plain sight with her amulet. So I kind of think maybe he thought she was actually going to get voted out and he didn't want to have to do the murder in plain sight and he knew that if she got voted out that they probably they would lose.

[Will Friedle]

What would happen does, I don't know, transfer to somebody. I don't know, like a mythical power.

[Ryder Strong]

But even. Even if it transferred, it would go to Candace because, like, they, you know, like they say he would be suspicious to be wearing something like that. I think although he's worn some Pretty over the top wardrobe things. So I think he should.

[Will Friedle]

He should have come down wearing just that. That's it.

[Ryder Strong]

It's just a big leaf with that and then top of it and see who.

[Will Friedle]

Good luck having somebody touch that where you. Where you've placed it. Good job, Rob. If he.

[Ryder Strong]

We have to remember he knows that they have to do a murder in plain sight tonight.

[Will Friedle]

I totally forgot about that. You're right.

[Ryder Strong]

So he's really screwing her. Her ability.

[Will Friedle]

And.

[Ryder Strong]

And they had planned to murder Colton so he knows that they're going to murder Colton tonight. So he could have just written Colton's name down. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

They would have gotten two people out. Well, they did. I mean at the end of the day they got. They got a Faithful out. They. The traders are still winning but at the cost of maybe they're a little fractured now.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, he's going to have a hard time coming back from that because Lisa's clearly not the most like stable.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Like she's Lisa Rinna. I don't think she's gonna be around.

[Will Friedle]

That much longer anyway, though. I really don't. I really don't.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, well, the final vote was Mark who I really didn't know where this was gonna go, but he voted for Ron which seems like just sort of sticking with the original plan.

[Will Friedle]

The status quo. I didn't know what he was. I was hoping he was gonna get up, maybe do a very quick sachet of some point of some type of pipe, hold his frame and then go from there once again around the table.

[Ryder Strong]

Faithful's really screwed it up again.

[Will Friedle]

Really? Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

Again, just not.

[Will Friedle]

Not playing well.

[Ryder Strong]

No. Is it always like this in the beginning when there's this many?

[Will Friedle]

I don't remember. See what was the interesting thing about last season was that Boston Rob was a trader and he had no problem throwing other trader. He was getting other traders kicked off the too. So it was like. Yeah, he was getting. It was. It was pretty amazing how who he was getting thrown out and it was like turning on other traders and going, no, you're the traitor. I know you're a traitor. And then people would believe him like Colton and then they'd be gone. So that's why I said wait till the traders start turning on each other. And that might have just started tonight. Cuz all you need is Lisa and.

[Ryder Strong]

But then how do they decide who murder? They just like between. They just vote. Like majority rule.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was just majority and they.

[Ryder Strong]

Can'T murder each other.

[Will Friedle]

Right. But they can get each other banished.

[Ryder Strong]

They can get each other banished.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

So. So they would be, like, meeting in the turret and just, like, yelling at each other or not talking.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

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[Will Friedle]

It was. It was wild. And you know that's going to happen because the next time I. We. First of all, ballsy to have that conversation in the kitchen with the three traders together, like, throwing stuff at each other and things like that. Anybody walks by and you're screwed. They got all three of you.

[Ryder Strong]

So.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

It's all right. Ron. Ron is voted out. Ron reveals that he's a faithful. And then they have this banquet. And then we get the flashback explaining that this whole murder in plain sight. I love this, by the way.

[Will Friedle]

It's gonna be great.

[Ryder Strong]

I love that it. Because they've never done this, right.

[Will Friedle]

They.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't think they ever said that. They said they've never done this before where they have, like, a piece of jewelry.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. That's like. And it's poisoned if you touch it.

[Ryder Strong]

I love it. I love it. It's so on brand and cool. And the idea of a banquet, I just. And, yeah. Super clever. But I would. Again, this would be, like, even more of a nightmare.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Having to get somebody to physically touch an object in the course of a normal. Oh, one of my.

[Will Friedle]

One of my favorite fantasy novels ever. There's. One of the characters is just a. A professional poisoner. And he. He says to somebody, he's like, watch. Watch how I take this guy out tonight around a dinner table. And they're sitting around the table and he's 30ft from the guy, and the guy falls over dead, and they go, how did you do that? He goes, goes, oh, I knew where it was going to sit. I poisoned his spoon three days ago. Wow. And it's like that kind of thing where it's like, oh, I love this. All the intrigue and everything.

[Ryder Strong]

It's so cool.

[Will Friedle]

I can't wait to see how they're going to do it. And the outfits in the previews look fabulous.

[Ryder Strong]

Y.

[Will Friedle]

So, yeah. So cool.

[Ryder Strong]

So, yeah. Candace, Lisa, Rob, have a little traitor. Pow. Wow. Oh. I guess even before that, Colton comes right up to Lisa and they kind of have it out. And Colton tries to like, like, give her a compliment and say, like, kind of say for better or worse, like, look, I'm just playing again. Playing the game. And your personality has changed.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But then she's like, no, I'm not a housewife. Or you want me to housewife it up? I'll housewife it up. And it's like, oh, bad Just bad.

[Will Friedle]

It was bad.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I know.

[Will Friedle]

And he's just like, thank you.

[Ryder Strong]

There are people who take this stuff so personally that aren't traitors. Do you know what I mean? Like Jam. Jam's taking it all emotionally and personally. So maybe it's believable that she's that personal about it. I, I see through it, though. Like, I mean, I just, again, why.

[Will Friedle]

Do we see through it? I, I think, I think we, I wonder if we see through it because it's bad or we see through it because we know. So I would, you know, who knows? It's very interesting. Such a good show.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, Rob gives his little defense that it's the long term game that he's playing and that he's didn't want to, you know, vote against people that he had said he trusted. But I don't know if anybody knew that he trusted Ron because he only had that private chess conversation when he.

[Will Friedle]

Said that around the table, he's like, Ron, you and I have talked. I've asked you questions right to your face, and I believe he's telling me the truth.

[Ryder Strong]

Why did he have to say that weird move?

[Will Friedle]

Because he wanted Ron to stay. He truly wanted Ron to stay. So he was trying to save Ron there at the end by saying, I've actually.

[Ryder Strong]

Because then Ron would be in his side for the rest of the game.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that and he also just flat out liked Ron. I think he just liked Ron.

[Ryder Strong]

Liked him.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. This is why as an assassin, you can never let your emotions get. Get the better of you, my friend.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Amazing.

[Ryder Strong]

All right.

[Will Friedle]

All right, well, before we go any farther, as you know, as well as being a dance historian and scholar, I am also a history of famous traders from throughout the world.

[Ryder Strong]

Sure. You're aware. Did you get a degree in this? Is this something you go to, like an undergrad? It's an undergrad.

[Will Friedle]

It's an undergrad. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So we are. The new segment, mail.

[Ryder Strong]

Like you just send away.

[Will Friedle]

And email was an actual mail.

[Ryder Strong]

But correspondence courses, well, email correspondence technically.

[Will Friedle]

Finish the entire course.

[Ryder Strong]

Gotcha.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. But I, I read the packet, the outside of the packet.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

So that's all that really matters. But we are of course calling this Will's history of traders and stuff that might have traded in times and the things. I'm still working on it. I don't have the entire melody down.

[Ryder Strong]

You can maybe rhyme to those, you know, or just come up with words that aren't just, you know, placeholders.

[Will Friedle]

You're talking like you're the big Music Guy. I know what I'm doing. Today's famous trader is somebody called La Malinche.

[Ryder Strong]

Ooh, yes.

[Will Friedle]

From the 1500s, La Malinche, also known as Dona Marinha, was born to an Aztec chieftain and his mistress in the 16th century. After her father died in the mistress remarried, Marina was sold into slavery. And when the Spanish conquistadors arrived in the western hemisphere, she became a courtesan of the Spanish leader Cortez himself. Here, her knowledge of the indigenous culture proved invaluable in helping the Spanish defeat the Aztecs. And today, she is still despised by the Mexicans as a turncoat who deceived her people for money and power, is today's famous story.

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[Ryder Strong]

So she started off by being sold into slavery by her own people, though.

[Will Friedle]

Again, the course didn't cover the whole thing, but yes, I believe so. No, she was. Yes, she was the. The.

[Ryder Strong]

It seems like if she's sold into slavery and then turns. Well, yeah, I mean, still.

[Will Friedle]

Still. Still a traitor in Mexico, my friend.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

You're right. I'll work.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you work on the song. Come on. Maybe if you wear the hood while you do it, it'll be better. That's it for this episode of pod. Meets twirled, Alliances were tested, trust misplaced. And once again, we're left with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as we continue our journey through season four of Traitors, a show in which, as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play, fair is foul and foul is fair.

[Will Friedle]

God, I loved Romeo and Juliet.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, that's the Scottish play.

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