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Welcome to POD meets Twirled, a podcast from two guys who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the Stars but took it on and walked away. Experts so now we turn to traitors Another show I've never seen. While Will is convinced that he could win it, we are Will Friedle and Rider Strong. Two best friends. One a TV expert, one a TV skeptic. Both dance scholars join us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirled Trading Places. How you feeling about episode nine, Will?
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Well, first I'd like to point to the elephant in the room. No cloak today. I'm off the cloak. I'm wearing it just for me. And that started to feel weird, if I'm totally honest with you. So no cloak. Pants, but no cloak.
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E
So does this mean you're no longer a traitor, you're now a faithful?
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B
No, I think it just means that I don't wanna wear the cloak anymore. I'll always be a traitor. That's just the way it is.
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E
All right.
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And loved episode nine, by the way.
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I think it was my favorite episode yet.
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I don't disagree.
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My favorite episode yet, and here's why. Because I love Eric as a bad trick. He's my favorite.
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Just. Dude, sue and I were doing the impression of him just trying to just walk like he's not guilty.
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It's like he's like, suddenly gonna be holding two mugs just to have something to do with his hands. I did not realize how entertaining that could be at all. It is the best. We were doing that. It's amazing because Kristen's the only one calling him out for it. I know.
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I know.
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It's gonna happen, though. He's. He's gonna bomb this so bad.
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We were. Sue and I were doing things where he's like. He's got, like, the fork and he's like, there's no food on, and he's putting it.
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So what are.
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What are you doing today in the.
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In the cat? Hey, hey, fellow faithfuls.
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Fellow faithful.
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Fellow faithful.
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B
What. What's happening today, everybody? It's so. And I love how he knows it too. He's like, I can't do this. Okay? He's.
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He's me. Exactly.
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That's.
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I'm seeing myself. And all of his anxiety, I love. And the best quote that starts the episode, I need a helmet and an adult diaper because I'm gonna shit myself and my head's going to explode. I was like, dude, this guy's brilliant. He all of a sudden, he went from this quiet guy who were like.
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B
Who kind of is this guy? Oh, he's a musician, whatever. To now he's my favorite character on the Show.
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E
So he is a musician. That's what he's known for. Okay. God, he's funny. Jeez. I just love watching him so. And they make a perfect combination because Rob is such a pro. And, like, when they're just like, we have to kill someone tonight. He's like, yeah, it's kind of our job.
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B
Wait, tonight we gotta kill two of them?
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E
It's like this. It's like the Odd Couple have to be traitors. I love it.
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B
Or it's like, you have to bring your little brother in.
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He's like, all right, come on, put the cloak on. No, come on. Put that all the way around.
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You don't need it all the way over your eyes.
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It's the best dynamic. I did not know the show needed this, but I love it.
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B
The only thing missing is him constantly calling him, like, bud in chief. Like, no, we could do it, chief. Don't worry.
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You're doing great. You're doing great. I feel like Rob is going to have to just kill E. He's just gonna have to let him die. Like, do you think he's. He either did the brilliant thing of picking the, like, just a rube who will go along because he's basically gonna. Rob's still running the show. He's gonna decide everything.
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But now he has a buffer against anything to where he can have somebody die before him.
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E
Yes. He's playing it brilliantly. Okay, I either thought or I thought he maybe just misread Eric and thought Eric would be better at this. But maybe you're right. I think he played it brilliantly.
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I don't know, but it is just. I agree. I could not disagree. I could not agree with you more. This was just watching him, I was like, oh, that's Ryder. Right? They just made Ryder a traitor.
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E
Yep.
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And, oh, God, it's great.
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E
So the two of them are in the turret. He's got his. His cloak fitted out for him, and the three names they throw out are Dorinda, Natalie, and Steven. And, you know, Robb says that he picked Eric because he's intelligent and that he thinks logically, which is true. I mean, that Eric does seem to. You know, I think more like you were thinking, like, he knew that Eric might be bad at being a traitor, and he just went for him to have a. A rube, like, somebody to pull along and throw under the bus when he needs to.
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I love it.
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All right, breakfast. Kristen comes in with Mark and Rob immediately saying, we need to talk. We need to talk. My.
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One of the other things I love about the show is every time anyone is with Rob, they're like, okay, you're the only one I can trust 100%.
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I know.
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It's like no one has an inkling.
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Not an inkling. It's brilliant inkling.
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It's incredible how he's doing it, but he's like, okay, you're the only one I'm 100% sure on. It's Tara.
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It's like, what? He's just got a low key. Like, you know, he's just got a. The right vibe. Like, he just doesn't seem villainous. He doesn't seem like he's conniving or, you know, I don't know. Like, I mean, he said it in one episode. He's like, I just come across like a dumb Southern boy. I think that's true. I think he's just. Just doesn't read as much more than, like, a pretty guy. And they're fun for it.
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Really nice. And as somebody else said, they're like, he's great in the. The challenges. You know, he's got the muscles to help us.
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E
It's so awesome. So that it's pointed out. I guess what Kristen's pointing out is that Candace pushed Johnny for the shield. And since Candace turned out to be a traitor, this is a good reason to believe that Johnny is a traitor. Which is not a bad argument. And again, it's logic. It's based on evidence.
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And because of all the paranoia, it. It adds a whole nother level of, oh, God. Whoever I'm friends with also matters, because if one of them turns out to be a traitor, then I'm tainted too.
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Right.
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B
And so here's Johnny, like, she.
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Like this is that Tara and Johnny did not learn this lesson. It's going to completely screw them. Because that's exactly what you basically watch happen in the course of this episode. Yes. Like, you guys don't. You can't just do that. You can't just cling to any. Because you're friends with them. All right, so Eric comes in with Tara. He can't even. When he's doing his. His interview about walking into breakfast, he says, it's my first breakfast as a traitor.
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Whispering it.
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That's a traitor. So nervous. This reluctant killer. I love how you said that, though. Good morning, fellow faithful. Yes. Yeah, it's just like, it's Steve Buscemi with a baseball hat.
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Right?
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Like, hey, fellow high schoolers. So just. All right, Johnny, enter. Johnny has this great thing about talking about how he was. He trusted Candace and he was like a blanket for her.
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And he's true.
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He's exactly right. And he should be aware now that, you know, or he is, that it's coming, it's turning on him. But, like, why do you, you know, you can't trust anybody, including Tara. I can't believe he's trusting.
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But again. So here's the thing, though. And because I was thinking about this. If you and I went onto the show together and we looked at each other beforehand, as we would, and we were like, no matter what happens, we're going to be honest with each other, even if it means I have to. It's like, I'll give you a wink, I'll give you a nod. We're going to. Something we got to figure out.
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I would not trust it. I would not trust it. No, because that's a feature. You wouldn't even trust me.
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I would totally trust you. I would totally trust you because you know me.
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Because I'm horrible at lying. Not because, like, I wouldn't judge you for lying to my face in the context of the game. That's the point of the game.
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Oh, I get it. But it would be so hard.
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What are you going to do? Ruin the whole TV show that we're on and all the producers by saying, let you know I'm actually a traitor?
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B
No, we would have. We would. There's got to be. I mean, again, it would be so hard with these two people who are best friends for 15 years or however long it's been 20 years for them not to be like, we're in this together till the end, and then lie to one of their faces the entire time. It'd be.
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E
But that's exactly what they would do.
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B
I know.
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E
Think about it. If. If Johnny had been. If either one of them had picked by as a trader, which they probably partly wanted to, because, you know, being a trader is the, I think, the more fun role in this game probably that then you would have to know that you're going to have to lie to that person unless you both get picked as traders together, which is never going to happen. So to have that sort of packed going into this game is just stupid.
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B
I guess you're right.
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E
And it's pointed out to them at the round table when they say it. When they reveal their pack, everybody's like, well, we can't. You can't trust that. Like, that's anti the game. So you can say that all you want, but that just means that you're either both faithfuls or both Traitors. Or one of you is lying to you. And like we're gonna. It doesn't help. It's not. Doesn't bolster your argument. Like, I would know if he were a traitor. No, you wouldn't.
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B
Yeah, I guess also keeping the secret is kind. Would. Would be ridiculous. Like when they, when they walked in and they're like, we're gonna not let anybody know that we're friends. It's going to be kind. It's like that, that in itself is a detriment. Because the easiest part of being a faithful is you don't have to lie.
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E
Right.
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About anything ever. You don't have to remember what you said. You don't have to be careful about speaking. You don't have to misstep everything you say. It's like I can just live my life and try to find. So if you come in already with a lie and now you're looking at the two of them going, well, wait a minute. You were best friends and you specifically tried to keep that from us.
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Right?
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Why?
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E
Why? What's the benefit?
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Why would you have a lie like that?
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The only thing is like back channel information if one of them is suspected. But like you said, if you're just an open book, just be an open book.
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Yeah.
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Just be like, we're best friends. And like. Yeah, yeah.
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Just letting you know we're best friends Right now. If you see us commiserating. We've been besties for 15 years.
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Yep. Like we're all, we're going to trust one another.
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Yeah.
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And you all need to know that and take that information into account when we're trying to tell you that we're faithful or whatever. I mean, it's like, it's where they ended up. It's, you know, where they've ended up. They probably should have just started.
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B
Started with. Right. Because now they look shady.
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E
Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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Bum, bum, bum.
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E
And we get a turret flashback where Rob argues for Dorinda. He is clearly just still making all the decisions.
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B
Yep. Eric goes, huh, That's a good idea. Thanks.
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E
Yeah, sure, boss.
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Great idea, boss. Hey, you're doing great, pal. Pull up your cloak. You're doing great.
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E
Okay. Then Alan enters, this time looking like my grandmother's Christmas plates. Very specifically thought he looked like a.
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B
Chandelier, but I think you're right.
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E
It's the pattern. I actually think it was more like a Japanese sort of like, draw, paint, painting. Like one of those, like.
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B
Right.
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E
But. But for whatever reason, it's the right color for exactly the Christmas. They're the plates I still have because, you know, my grandmother passed away, and I have her Christmas plates. They are exactly this color. Was his hair.
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B
Was he going for red, white, and blue?
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E
Mm, I don't know.
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B
Pink, blue, and white. I mean, was it supposed to be red? Or is this just a random. Let's make it red. Let's make it.
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E
It might have been Scottish flags, which were orange.
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B
Oh, maybe that's what he was doing.
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E
Orange and blue.
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B
Is that what it was?
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Orange, white, and blue is the Scottish flag, if I'm correct.
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B
If I was. So maybe that's what he was doing.
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E
Yeah. Orange. Orange, Right.
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Do my hair up.
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E
Orange. All right. So after breakfast, Johnny and Tara. Pow. Wow. She tells him that everyone's talking about him. Johnny has this little speech to camera where he's like, we're not good at this game because we didn't play a game. We went to the Olympics when we were kids, which is super interesting.
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B
Kind of badass, too.
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E
Kind of true. But I just love that he's like, okay, we suck. Like, the two of them are just realizing they're really terrible.
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B
And figure skaters and Olympians, they start at, like, three, right?
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E
You have three.
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B
These people were on skates before they really knew how to walk. So he's right. It's like, we weren't playing games. We were Olympics.
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E
Totally.
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B
Yeah.
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So Johnny says that he saw Steven and Candace talking the day before, which is true. And I clocked that when it happened, I was like. Because they literally kicked Johnny out of the room. And I was like, that's a really bad move, Candace.
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B
Yeah.
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E
And then the fact that she did turn so good reason to suspect Steven.
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B
That's why. So how do you play that you're, you're in the room and you're talking to somebody and somebody else walks in and they go, hey, can we just have a minute? I might be like, no, actually, why don't you have them join us so we don't look like. Because if that person I'm sitting with turns out to be a traitor.
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E
Right.
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I'm dead. I'm done.
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E
Right.
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B
So it's like, it almost seems to me like you don't want to be in that situation of kicking someone out.
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E
Of a room or.
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B
Hey, can you give us a minute? Like, let's not do that.
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E
Yeah. Because there shouldn't be any secrets. Yeah. I mean, what do you, what do.
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B
You need to know?
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E
I mean, Johnny should have known the second he was kicked out of the room that either one of them is a traitor, both of them are traitors. Or he's being suspected. Yeah. Johnny is. In which case, don't leave.
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B
Nothing good is coming from that.
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E
No, no, no, I'm not. Yeah, like, there's no good. Like, you just shouldn't walk away from a room. Just be like, no, I'm staying. Or I'm inviting everybody in here and we can all talk it out.
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B
Exactly.
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E
Yeah. Which is kind of what Michael was trying to do all the time. I feel like Rappaport was constantly like confronting and like bring everybody, which is annoying, but it's also kind of the only way to play because by, by whispering and having sidebars with people, it doesn't seem to work.
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B
I, I, and I've said this, I said this last episode. I' it seems like 8 months ago since he and Ron and even Jam Jam were on the show. It just, it seems forever ago. It is a complete. Do you realize in the, in the sense of shooting. Michael Rapaport was there three days ago or four days ago, was literally in the castle. And it just, it's so funny.
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E
Every day must be so mind numbing. Like their brains are just scrambled. You're constantly like paranoid and second guessing yourself. But then I love this moment where Moira, Rob and Eric are talking. And Eric is just describing Rob as an eagle soaring above the cave. He's just sitting on the couch. He's got his arms, like sleeveless arms, which by the way, have snakes on them.
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C
Yeah.
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E
Like as if it's like he's like, it's literally like he's a snake.
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B
You know, he always reminds me of, he reminds me of like a GI Joe character that's like actually cobra. But you bought him as a GI Joe. Like, oh, my God. And then he turns out to be bad, like Zartan. It's like, oh, my God. He's Zay Mat and Tomas.
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E
Max. Yes. I just love the difference between the two of them. You can just tell Eric is, like, heart racing, and Rob's just like, cool, cool. Looking at Eric, like, waiting for him to screw it up, it is just.
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B
But him, Eric just. He's such a deer in the headlights, and it is so fun to watch.
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E
And then Tara and Kristen have this moment where Tara tries to get her on the Steven bandwagon, and Kristen just looks at Tara and says, I think it's you, which is badass. I was kind of fall in love.
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B
With her more every single Cool, man. She's so awesome.
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E
She's really. Yeah, she's cool and she's not afraid. And, you know, also, she does the same thing to Eric at the end of this episode, which is pretty impressive. And.
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B
Oh, and just the way she covers herself, too, where she's like, so if I'm not here tomorrow, if I get yes, it's Eric, it's like, yes. Oh, you've just saved yourself.
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E
Smart.
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B
Yes. You just saved yourself.
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E
You. If you have an opinion, you tell it to the person you have it to, and you tell it to everybody else, and that's just out in the open. Then when you come up at round table, you're not being duplicitous, because that's the thing. Like, if you're being duplicitous at all in this game, if you're saying one thing to somebody's face and doing something else, it's going to come out at round table and invariably that's going to backfire on you. So I think you're right, man. The best strategy is to just be as upfront with everybody all the time.
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B
You get people that deny things they said, right? It's like, but you.
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E
You.
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B
You're faithful in your denying. You said something like, why? Just why? Yes, I said that. So weird.
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E
All right, then we get this mission with these boxes and questions. This is hysterical that Eric has to sneak out of a box like, the first time for, like, right. Do you think they added the creeks? 100% right? 100%. If it was creaking that loud, you would even try. You'd just be like, no, no, I'm just not gonna. Oh, 100%.
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B
I was like, okay, they're foleying a lot of this.
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E
I thought this was. Was probably the best challenge. I mean, I loved the cabin challenges Just for their set pieces and the, like, horror film stuff. But this one actually made some sense in that it reminded me a lot of the game Mafia when you play it at home, where everyone puts their head down.
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B
I've never, Never played, so I don't know.
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E
So the way you play Mafia or Werewolf is the other version. Everybody closes their eyes and puts their head down. And then there's like a game master or whatever says, will the. The killers just open their eyes? And so. So while your head is not down on the table, if you're like an innocent victim, all the killers are looking at each other and signaling like. So you have to do it, basically. You have to do it right in front of each other. Okay. Just like this, where they have to, like, get out of their box, walk into an area and talk. I thought that was, like, it was kind of getting back to the roots of these. These kinds of games, which is. You have to do it right in front of them. Yeah, that's cool. Super fun. Super fun. But then it didn't really work because they could just make up their answers. Like, it didn't. Like.
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B
Well, yeah, I didn't. I kind of. I thought it was kind of genius to just pick on one person, essentially.
- [22:42]
E
Right. Because it just, just. It completely destabilizes anybody's predictions. Just super smart.
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B
And they sacrificed the money, too, which was, I think, a whopping $8,360.
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E
The problem is that the money is not enough of an incentive. These challenges. No incentive.
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C
The.
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E
The only way the challenges have gotten exciting as far as rewards is the dagger and shield stuff. Yeah. So they really should only be playing with that. This whole idea of increasing the money when you're talking about celebrities who are probably all worth millions of dollars, like, I just don't think it matters if they made $8,000 more dollars or whatever. It's a.
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B
And think about it, too. If you won some kind of clue to who the traitors were.
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E
Yes.
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B
It would add another level.
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E
Because that's brilliant, man.
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B
Because if you think about it, if the person who rushes there could be a trader who doesn't want the information out or could want the information to find out who the trader is, and you'd never know. Right. So it's like, oh, you got the information. Okay. God. Rob got there first because he's fastest. Well, did he. Is he doing that because he's a trader? Or is he doing that because now he has the info? And then if you're the only one who's allowed to look at the Info and you're a trader, you can then lie about what the information is. That's great to put it onto somebody else. Be like it's, you know, oh my God. All we know is that something high. He should be like a trader book.
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E
With like, like facts about the traitors. And, and if you get, you get 30 seconds to glimpse at a page of it or something. If you win something.
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B
Yeah.
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E
And it's a great idea.
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B
It's, it's like, it's, it's something so easy like high heels and it's like, okay, then I know it's a woman or something like that or just that.
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E
They'Re from the United States or.
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B
Yes. You know, like a riddle of some sort that maybe you've got to try to figure out. I mean, there's so, so many ways to do it, but that's.
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E
Right. Great. That's a good idea. That's a much better incentive than money.
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B
Y. Find out something about the traitors. Great.
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E
All right. Well, they end up doing Terra for all of these, which was a kind of brilliant strategy on Rock's part. Once again, it's all just Rob. And then we get this. They get to shortlist four names for murder. They're trapped in their boxes for I guess like another 10 minutes after everyone leaves or so.
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B
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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E
And those four are Johnny, Tara, Natalie and Kristen. Oh, also, I forgot to mention Tara and Johnny didn't follow everyone voting for Tara.
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B
No. When they said when everyone's like, oh, just don't vote for Tara. Which is weird.
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E
It's just a really bad move on their part. Like they're really acting like a couple of traitors. Which, yeah, it's not, it's.
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B
Why wouldn't you just vote for yourself? You know what I mean? It's like, okay, they're obviously picking me every time. Everybody just vote for me. It's going to be me again. Just vote for me and then you win the money.
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C
Right.
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B
So, yeah, it was weird that the only two. But again, when you're micro looking at every little thing, every little thing to you that's normal is a misstep to somebody else.
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E
Right.
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B
Which is what's so brilliant about it because now people are already thinking it's the two of them. Now they voted against you. Now as a trader you're like, oh, now I can focus right on them because.
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E
Right.
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B
They screwed up again.
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E
Right.
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B
So yeah, they're just not playing well. And you use that when you're a trader. It's great.
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Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find pros for all your home projects@angie.com. So after the game, Natalie starts gunning for Steven. Christian points out that she told Tara it was her, and now Natalie ended up in the box. And Tara and Johnny decide to let it out that they're a team because they have nothing left. It was such a strange thing to do. I know. I know. So we get to the round table, and. And Tara and Johnny talk about their alignment and how they've been lying to everybody, which is just weird. But then they're saying that they're faithful, and then they sort of turn on Steven, which, you know, I mean, I guess there's some evidence for Steven, but for the most part, it seems like everyone's argument is just like that guy over there who's not me, except for.
- [29:50]
B
Rob, who's now in a position to where, I think about it, in one movement, Steven's gone, and it seems like Johnny and Tara are the next to go. So he could have gotten three faithfuls out just by writing Steven's name on the thing. And now you just let nature take its course, keep it up with Johnny and Tara, the way that it's going. And right there, three out. Boom. And then you're at the end, because I think there's only two round tables left.
- [30:14]
E
Yeah.
- [30:14]
B
So then you've made the end. You've already set up your next kills without having to do anything, and it's like, boom. You just. There you go.
- [30:22]
E
Yeah. Eric's gonna screw it up, though.
- [30:23]
B
Of course he is. I was waiting for him to be like, hey. Like, literally in the middle of everyone. Be like, hey, Rob, maybe we should kill them next. Oh, I wasn't supposed to.
- [30:33]
E
I was supposed to say that out loud. Sorry. There's also this weird moment where Natalie, you know, she makes this argument for Steven, and then when the dagger vote comes up, she sort of forces Rob to admit he has it but no one heard it.
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B
I don't think.
- [30:51]
E
No. He says. He says I have it.
- [30:53]
B
But he whispered it. I have it. And nobody. I don't think any. Because she said I'm. This is why. So I was. We were going to jump ahead. I think she's going to be the kill tonight.
- [31:02]
E
Yeah.
- [31:02]
B
The killer was left at the cliffhanger. I think she's going to be the kill because she said, I'm the last one who knows that you have the dagger. And she's like, say you have the dagger. And he's like, I have the dagger.
- [31:13]
E
So is that true? She really is the last one.
- [31:16]
B
She was the last one of the group that was there to find out that he had the dagger. So he gets rid of her. Nobody knows he's got two votes left.
- [31:24]
E
God, I can't believe that she. Yeah, it's. It was. I just. Yeah. I don't know how the whole dagger thing is going to play out, but he says he doesn't mind if everybody knows. He says he doesn't care, but I.
- [31:35]
B
Don'T think he said it. I think they shot it in a strange way, but I think he whispered it. I don't think. I don't think everybody knows that he has the dagger. But I could be wrong. They might know.
- [31:41]
E
I feel like he admitted it and no one really cared that much because it was just like, oh, okay. Because they knew it was one of those.
- [31:46]
B
Right.
- [31:47]
E
Six people or whatever.
- [31:48]
B
Right. And again, for us, we're like, who.
- [31:50]
E
Was that weeks ago?
- [31:51]
B
But for them, it's like, oh, that was three days ago.
- [31:53]
E
Right. Right.
- [31:54]
B
So they'd remember it. Yeah.
- [31:55]
E
I really don't remember who was in that group.
- [31:57]
B
I don't either. I think it was Steven.
- [31:59]
E
But then Steven would.
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B
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. No, then I guess not. Yeah. I don't remember.
- [32:04]
E
See, I don't know if she's right. I think she might have said that, but not been correct.
- [32:07]
B
That's possible, too.
- [32:08]
E
Well, in any case, the votes go for Steven. So I guess Tara and Johnny's gamble played off. But they're marked. They made it.
- [32:16]
B
They're marked. As Steven Seagal said in the 80s, you're marked for death, bro. Yep.
- [32:20]
E
And Natalie apologizes to Rob and Eric, which is hysterical. She's like, I'm so sorry. I gun for. You know. It's like, yeah, well, you. You just helped them perfectly. And you're apologizing to the traitors.
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B
His response is the best. Best acting ever, where he just looks at her. He's like, no, no, it's fine. But that was. That was a big one. Like, he was like, yeah, that was. I mean, man, you. Like, I followed you because I trust you, but yikes. That just drawing her even more to his side. Everything this guy does is beautifully calculated.
- [32:55]
E
Yeah. And then Kristen turns on Eric in front of Mark.
- [33:01]
B
Smart man.
- [33:02]
E
And then Rob walks in on it. Yeah. She's very smart. She's also accurate. Like, she's calling out the fact that he has gotten quieter. You know, I feel like he's always been a little, like, nervous and quiet. So I think she's coming on, but she must have noticed, like, something extra, because she's right. And he is more nervous and he doesn't know what to do. And I think, you know, based on the discussion in the turret, which is essentially like, we. We can't kill Kristen now because she literally told multiple people that if I die, Eric is the killer.
- [33:39]
B
Yeah.
- [33:39]
E
So Eric's gotta suck it up and perform as if he's a faithful. And I just don't think he's gonna pull it off, which I cannot wait to see.
- [33:50]
B
I can't wait to see it. And I also think there's a good chance this is maybe what Rob wanted. Yeah.
- [33:55]
E
So. Yeah. Because in this case, he's gonna let Eric take the fall for, you know, being banished and still be completely under the radar himself.
- [34:06]
B
Yes.
- [34:07]
E
Be able to. I mean, he'll probably. I think they'll murder Natalie tonight.
- [34:10]
B
I think so, too.
- [34:12]
E
And then. Because. But if you murder Natalie, who does that point to? It makes. See, but Natalie is never going for Johnny and Tara. The other option is you kill either Johnny or Tara and to set the other one up. Because, like, if. If you killed Tara, which is just bizarre.
- [34:31]
B
Right.
- [34:31]
E
But it could make it. Make people think that Johnny was lying to her the whole time.
- [34:37]
B
Yeah. That's impossible, too. Yeah. I mean, it's. It's. It's. I'm constantly amazed. The people that are always under the radar. Nobody's ever said Mark. Nobody's ever said Kristen. And the only person that said Rob was another trader who knew he was a traitor.
- [34:51]
C
Right.
- [34:52]
E
And Natalie hasn't really come up as a traitor for a long time. I feel like she did early. A couple.
- [34:56]
B
But again, that's what I mean is even early, no one was like, it's Mark or it's Kristen. Like, there's some people that have just the entire time, everyone's like, I know you're faithful. Like, really?
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E
Including Rob.
- [35:05]
B
Yes.
- [35:06]
E
It's so Weird.
- [35:07]
B
It's so strange. It's such a great kind of psychology of people. Why do you instantly trust this person and instantly distrust this person?
- [35:15]
E
Crazy.
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B
And as you're well aware, not only am an expert on dance, but I'm also now an expert on famous traitors throughout history.
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E
Sure.
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B
In a segment that I like to call F F F F F. Famous trait from history. Still working on the song. It's not my favorite.
- [35:34]
E
That became. That was totally like Schoolhouse Rocks.
- [35:38]
B
It was. Well, that's what I was trying. From where?
- [35:41]
E
From history. From history.
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B
I'm just a traitor. Just an ordinary traitor. Yeah. This is Philippe Petain, 1856-1951. Philippe Petain went from being one of France's greatest heroes from World War I to a vilified figure who collaborated with the Nazis and. And headed France's Vichy government during World War II. Batayne earned the nickname the lion of Verdun for winning one of the war's bloodiest battles.
- [36:05]
E
Verdun.
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B
That's what I said. After France's collapse during the Nazi blitzkrieg in 1940, the French asked the 84 year old Petain to form a government, but he chose to surrender and align the fascist Vichy government with Nazi Germany. When the war was over, he was charged with treason along with other members of the Vichy regime and sentenced to death. But the execution was stayed because of his past heroism. And he lived out the rest of his life in a fortress off France's Atlantic coast.
- [36:32]
E
Wow.
- [36:33]
B
Yeah. Crazy, right?
- [36:36]
E
I mean, what's it like living in that fortress by yourself, just knowing that, like, your country hates you?
- [36:42]
B
Everybody hates you.
- [36:43]
E
Everybody hates you. You probably should have been killed, but luckily you would.
- [36:47]
B
We're literally just waiting for you to die in this fortress because we want to Airbnb it and you're in the way. Yeah, it is pretty much. What's happening.
- [36:57]
E
What's it like to be a family member of somebody like that? Right? Like, you're just like, all right, well, I guess I'm glad they're not getting killed, but.
- [37:04]
B
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Patsy was an actual Italian traitor or something. And a lot of his family, people change their names. It's like you just don't want to. I could have anybody. When's the last time you met? You know? Hi, I'm Doug. Hitler. Right. No, it's never happened.
- [37:17]
E
People as a first name, it's no longer cool.
- [37:20]
B
You change your name and you walk away.
- [37:22]
E
Absolutely. All right, well, that's it for this episode of POD meets Twirled. Alliances were tested, trust misplaced. And once again, we're left with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as we continue our journey through season four of Traitors, a show in which, as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play, fair is foul and foul is fair. Are you a fraud paying American? 1 in 4 tax paying Americans has been a victim of identity fraud. With Lifelock, if your identity is stolen, they fix it guaranteed or your money back. Last year billions in refunds were stolen. Could be from your salary, overtime or second job gone. But this year you don't need to stay a victim because this tax season, fraud paying American is something no American should have to claim. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com iheart Terms apply.
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