Shannon Elizabeth Meets World

Summary

Pod Meets World – "Shannon Elizabeth Meets World"

iHeartPodcasts | Released: May 18, 2026
Hosts: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong
Guest: Shannon Elizabeth

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Episode Overview

This episode invites actress, model, philanthropist, and poker aficionado Shannon Elizabeth for an in-depth conversation. Hosts Danielle, Will, and Ryder guide her through stories of her breakout in American Pie, her surprising turn as a professional poker player, her deep animal advocacy work in South Africa, and her newest foray into OnlyFans. The tone is witty, intimate, and honest, with plenty of laughter and candor as Shannon reflects on her career pivots and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dream Sets & Nostalgia (03:08–12:10)

• The hosts and Shannon share which film or TV set they’d love to time-travel to and watch live.
  • Will chooses iconic blockbusters like Star Wars, Danielle is intrigued by pioneer women-led sets like I Love Lucy and Mary Tyler Moore.
  • Ryder’d love to see classic performances, e.g., Marlon Brando on On the Waterfront.
• They recall their formative Boy Meets World memories, leaning into the idea that “life’s best moments are the small, unplanned ones” (Danielle, 11:48).

Quote:
"Life and memories are happening in the very small moments. They’re not just the big moments... You don’t need to wait for a vacation or wait for a day to make a memory. They’re happening literally all the time."
— Danielle Fishel, (11:48)

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Shannon’s Origin Story: From Tennis Star to Modeling to Acting (22:23–34:56)

• Shannon recounts her Waco, Texas upbringing as a tennis prodigy.
• Her serendipitous modeling start: cast in an Antoine Fuqua-directed music video, leading to agency signings in NYC and a move to LA.
• Details her leap into acting, including being a Russian tennis player on HBO’s Arli$$ and how her athleticism and willingness to embrace opportunities opened doors.
  • Notably, she fakes a Russian accent at an audition and lands the part.

Quote:
"I booked my best jobs when they have no other options."
— Shannon Elizabeth, (30:13)

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The American Pie Breakthrough (34:17–41:12)

• Shannon shares her surprise at the film’s impact—she was convinced it wouldn’t be a big deal.
• Candid discussion about her iconic “webcam scene”, initial discomfort with nudity, and the practical street-smarts modeling gave her for set life.
• She clarifies there’s no lasting regret over her choices, and discusses why she declined similar roles thereafter.

Memorable Moments:

• The prank her then-boyfriend played on Jason Biggs during their nervous first nude scene (37:16).

Quote:
“This is why I’m not a studio exec, because I had no idea...I thought total opposite, and thank goodness I was wrong.”
— Shannon Elizabeth, (34:57)

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American Pie Legacy & the Nadia Reboot? (42:05–42:56)

• Dialogue about potential sequels; Shannon is all in and pitches a “Nadia in her home country” spin.
• Enthusiastic playful banter about what that film could be—a “sexier Borat” (Will, 43:02).

Quote:
“I would absolutely go back...I think they need to do a film all about Nadia back in her home country.”
— Shannon Elizabeth, (42:33)

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Pivot to Poker: From Casual to World Series Pro (47:51–54:25)

• Shannon traces her introduction to poker via Bravo’s Celebrity Poker Showdown—playing for charity, learning from the pros (the Magician and the Unabomber).
• Reveals that her celebrity status enabled her to secure sponsor-funded seats in tournaments, with the possibility of keeping winnings.
• Finds poker’s psychological element captivating.

Quote:
“There was a moment where I’m like, oh, it’s not about the cards. It’s a psychological game. Which I love.”
— Shannon Elizabeth, (50:08)

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Animal Advocacy & Life in South Africa (54:25–63:48)

• Shannon’s lifelong connection to animals led her from LA to New York, and finally to South Africa, where she established The Shannon Elizabeth Foundation.
• She shares a harrowing look at rhino poaching’s realities, syndicate involvement, and her sanctuary’s anti-poaching measures.
• Describes the layered dangers of wildlife conservation, and emphasizes the critical role of community engagement.

Quote:
“I feel like it’s my mission. Whereas acting was my job, but my mission for being here on the planet was to help the animals.”
— Shannon Elizabeth, (58:38)

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OnlyFans Era: Authenticity, Boundaries, and Fan Connection (68:20–74:06)

• Shannon explains the personal and financial factors behind joining OnlyFans in the midst of her divorce.
• Reconnects with her fans in a direct, exclusive way, exploring content beyond adult entertainment—sharing daily life, behind-the-scenes moments, and unfiltered thoughts.
• Reports rapid early success, but is still navigating her comfort zones and content boundaries.

Quote:
“The more I do the content, the more comfortable I get with myself and with chatting with the fans...I didn’t really expect the kind of response that we’ve gotten at all.”
— Shannon Elizabeth, (72:56)

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Giving Back: Upcoming Poker Fundraiser (74:26–76:14)

• Shannon invites listeners to her foundation’s upcoming poker fundraiser in Las Vegas (June 28, during the World Series of Poker), supporting wildlife causes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Memories:
  “The best moments are standing around at craft service or in the schoolroom. You don’t even remember, necessarily, the big, flashy moments.”
  — Danielle Fishel, (11:42)

• On Modeling & Acting:
  “My parents just made it really clear...You can use your college money for this, but when it runs out, it runs out and you have to come home.”
  — Shannon Elizabeth, (25:41)

• On Conservation Risks:
  “Anybody in conservation just accepts that it is a war and it’s very dangerous and you might get killed...If I’m meant to be doing this work, protect me, protect the sanctuary, protect everything we’re doing.”
  — Shannon Elizabeth, (63:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dream Sets & Film Nostalgia: 03:08–12:10
• Shannon’s Tennis/Modeling/Acting Roots: 22:23–34:56
• Filming & Aftermath of American Pie: 34:17–41:12
• American Pie Sequel Talk: 42:05–42:56
• Poker Journey: 47:51–54:25
• Animal Advocacy & Life in South Africa: 54:25–63:48
• OnlyFans & New Chapter: 68:20–74:06
• Poker Fundraiser Announcement: 74:26–76:14

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Tone & Language

The conversation balances humor, humility, and heartfelt reflection. The hosts maintain their trademark “Boy Meets World” camaraderie, welcoming Shannon’s honesty and inviting listeners into every step of her career and causes.

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Useful Links

• Shannon Elizabeth Foundation (Instagram)
• More Info & Fundraiser Tickets (See link in bio)

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For anyone wondering what Shannon Elizabeth is up to now, this episode reveals her as a grounded multi-hyphenate—fearless in reinvention, deeply invested in animals, and open about fame’s opportunities and challenges.

Transcript

[Shannon Elizabeth]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

So Ryder and I found out something really cool. That we are going to the live Survivor finale.

[Danielle Fishel]

That is freaking cool.

[Will Friedle]

Isn't that the neatest thing? Like, we're gonna get to be here? I'm so excited. Yeah. Really psyched. But it led me to a question. So this is Survivor as we talk about it. I know you follow every episode. Danielle, you pod meets twirl.

[Danielle Fishel]

Never miss one.

[Will Friedle]

Never miss a Survivor.

[Danielle Fishel]

I get the edits.

[Will Friedle]

I know. So I know you're very excited, but this is the big season of Survivor. It's season 50, and they pulled out all the stops, and it's like, there's a big moment in television we're gonna be there for. So it led me to. And again, Danielle, you'll be hot and cold on this because we know how you feel about things that are artsy and stuff.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

That's fun.

[Will Friedle]

But if you could put yourself on any set in any time, film or TV history, where would you want to be to watch whatever you'd want to be there to witness live?

[Danielle Fishel]

That's really cool.

[Ryder Strong]

God, that's a good question. But television history only, not just live theater.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, no. Live theater, Live tv, live, whatever. And so do you want me to give you a start? I want me to do it so you guys can think for a second.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, we've had a similar question before. We've talked about.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was just time traveling. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

But when I said go back and watch, you know, an original Shakespeare, make it.

[Will Friedle]

Then let's make it from the TV and film era on.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Because so, like, for me, it would be cool to be on the set of Star wars, the Empire strikes back when they're filming the. No, Luke, I'm your father scene. Like, something like that where it's like, whoa. Like, I can't believe I'm.

[Ryder Strong]

That's a pretty good one. That's a pretty good one.

[Will Friedle]

So, like, where would you y' all want to be to watch something like that?

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, I don't have, like, a moment that happened in a movie like that. For you, Will, that's like, ooh, that moment. That would be great. I can see why someone would pick something like that. But, like, for me, I'd probably want to go back to. I mean, My first instinct was to say I Love Lucy. Cool. I would want to watch Lucille Ball and Vivian Vance and see what their dynamic is and see mostly what it was like to be a woman who had power on a set at that time and to just see what that process was like, you know?

[Will Friedle]

That's a good one.

[Danielle Fishel]

What was.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

What.

[Danielle Fishel]

How. What happened when somebody had something down that they didn't want to do or they didn't like, or someone gave them a note, like, what were those dynamics? I would just kind of want to go back to that time. Or like the Mary Tyler Moore show. I keep thinking of times where it was like, wow, women as the stars and forefront of their own. Their own shows.

[Ryder Strong]

Right?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So I would. I would want to.

[Will Friedle]

That's a good one.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's a good one. And I always thought Lucille Ball was amazing.

[Will Friedle]

You know, she's responsible for Star Trek.

[Danielle Fishel]

Really?

[Will Friedle]

Desilu. Their. Their production company was the only production company willing to do Star Trek. They put Star Trek on the air. So Lucille Balls is responsible for Star Trek. Not amazing. She did so much in Hollywood. So much in Hollywood.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Incredible.

[Ryder Strong]

I have no idea. I mean, I guess it would just be a movie. It'd be like a. A big movie that I would love to be around. Probably a Spielberg film.

[Will Friedle]

I was gonna say, what about, like, do you want to go to the set of Stand By Me?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I mean, that would. But I don't know if it would be as like, I would.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I don't know.

[Ryder Strong]

I feel like I would want to solve a mystery. Like, I would want to be around for, like, something that's debated. I'm trying to think what's been debated in film history, like, who came up with or, you know, and I can't think of, like, one great thing. But yeah, I guess if it's just about, like, experiencing something, it'd be really fun to. I mean, you know, Citizen Kane would be amazing. Like some of these, like, legendary stories. Like in Citizen Kane, when, like, Orson Welles drilled into the floor to get the shot, you know, like something, you know, it would be pretty amazing to see. But no, I'm thinking actually it'd probably be actor based. It would be a performance. It would probably be like Marlon Brando, like, get to see him do, like,

[Will Friedle]

okay, on the Waterfront or Streetcar.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, just something that, like, changed the world forever and to, like, see how that came about, you know, like, see how a great scene came and. And multiple takes. Like, it would be cool to see alternate takes, like, at a time when people were actually Doing different takes and, like, taking chances. That's. That's all I can really think of. And then that's not even a specific answer. So.

[Will Friedle]

It's funny, though, because you forget as actors, there's such a beautiful movie magic, and one of the things it does is it makes you forget how boring making a movie, actually.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh. I know.

[Will Friedle]

So it's like, part of me is like, I would love to go to the set of Jaws and be on the boat with them. And, like, do I want to be on a boat for 11 hours as they're trying to get one shot to

[Ryder Strong]

try and get, like, the fin.

[Danielle Fishel]

The real answer is, you couldn't pay me enough money to go visit a movie set.

[Ryder Strong]

You know what?

[Will Friedle]

That's actually.

[Ryder Strong]

That's a really good point. I think probably it would be a tape night, then A tape is more fun.

[Will Friedle]

Like, the last episode of Seinfeld could have been really cool.

[Ryder Strong]

Something like that. Or like the first episode of Cheers, you know, with a live studio audience. First episode of Cheers. I bet you they were having so much fun or something where, you know, that they were improving a bunch. Like a movie where they did, like, you know, Bridesmaids, where they were doing, like, you know, take after take and just making each other laugh. Constant. Like, my Instagram feed is all, like, become bloopers. Me, too. So many bloopers. It's like just behind the scene. And I laugh every time because it's

[Will Friedle]

not only the joke, it's that they

[Ryder Strong]

make each other laugh. Like, mostly what I'm watching.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, right. I got one for you, Danielle. I got one for you that I think you would like any episode, but either the first or last episode of the David Letterman show. Oh, yeah, like, go watch the original old school Letterman. Like, him do his thing back in the day.

[Ryder Strong]

Pretty amazing.

[Danielle Fishel]

That would have been great. That. That definitely would be a taping I would want to go to. And you know what? That's funny you say that, because while we were talking about going to a taping, I thought the thing that's frustrating for me about attending live tapings, if I'm just in the audience, there is such a feeling of fomo to be as an actor, as an actor and now as a director, to see everyone and what they're doing in between, and I'd be like, I don't want to be sitting in this audience. I want to be on that crew. I want to be a part of that team. But at a talk show that I've never. Like that I'VE never hosted. I don't have that same feeling. So that would be a perfect taping because then I just get to really watch and take it all in. I would definitely want to see. I.

[Will Friedle]

If you. If we're going, we're throwing all science and logic out the window. The three of us being able to go back as other people and sit in the audience for. Make it your first episode, Danielle. So episode four.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Will Friedle]

Would have been really incredible to watch it from that vantage point, see how nervous. Because we're all still in the nervous stage and, oh, my God, I'm still freaking out for running out.

[Ryder Strong]

And, I mean, if you could go and actually spend the whole night backstage, like, imagine, like, if you had, like, a little drone camera that could go around and just follow, like, reliving a night of Boy Meets World would be insane. And, like, following crew members backstage and hearing the conversations of what people were, that would be. I mean, that's basically what this podcast is attempting to do. Right?

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Trying to bring us back to those memories.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know, I did think it was really interesting, too, that I, you know, I've been interviewing all the American Idol finalists for the American Idol official podcast. And every. Every time I get to talk to them, I ask them about the friendships that they've made because they all inevitably have paired up, at least paired up, if not, you know, in groups of three or four, and they have their best friends, and they talk about what a support they've been. And so I always ask them about those friendships, and then, like, of their performances or things on the show, what's been the standout moment for them? And almost all of them have said, oh, huh? You know, I don't know, because all my favorite moments are not those. They're all the moments. And I'm like, yep, it never changes. You know, you don't know even who I am. But I also have this experience of doing something insane and incredible and being a part of something that when other people watch it are like, imagine doing that. And yet, for us, the best moments are standing around at craft service or in the school room, and you don't even remember, necessarily, the big, flashy moments of it.

[Ryder Strong]

So true.

[Danielle Fishel]

It never changes. It's like. It's also such a good reminder that, like, life and memories are happening in the very small moments. They're not just the big moments. You know, you don't need to wait for a vacation or wait for a day to make a memory. They're happening literally all the time. And you don't get to control them. Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. No, it's so true. I think if. If my. We're gonna. We're gonna start a new trend and it's gonna be quote unquote, sponsored by. So my first year of Boy Meets World, my memories would be sponsored by Otter Pops, Wolfenstein and grape throwing.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Wolfenstein grape throwing.

[Ryder Strong]

Were we playing Wolfenstein? A whole bunch.

[Will Friedle]

A whole bunch, A whole bunch. So that was. That would be my. Season one is sponsored by those three things from my memory.

[Ryder Strong]

Season two would have been Magic the Gathering. Right?

[Will Friedle]

That's one.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

By season three, we're into Marlboro Lights in Amsterdam territory.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Exactly.

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[Shannon Elizabeth]

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Holy.

[Danielle Fishel]

But if there's any silver lining to the dystopian reality for anyone podcasting, it's that some of us have had to pivot. Whether it's social media, podcasting, live streaming, or an altogether unrelated side hustle, a lot of us have had to look above and beyond the traditional avenues of our industry to diversify, and this week's guest has been the face for this development over the past few weeks and it seems to have really paid off. Raised in Waco, Texas, she spent most of her childhood focused on tennis with aspirations to go pro, but started modeling working with premier agencies Ford and Elite Models, which led to a breakout in film playing of all things. A foreign exchange student, Nadia, the confident and beautiful Eastern European love interest of Jim levenstein in the 1999 smash R rated comedy American Pie, throughout pressed her into fame and onto covers of magazines with names like Maxim, FHM and Loaded, while becoming one of the Internet's first downloadable crushes. She'd go on to appear in all of the American Pie sequels as well as scary movie that 70s show and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Also, she somehow became a professional poker player, going as far as the Main event in 2005's World Series of Poker, cementing herself as one of the leading celebrity players of all time. And she's kind, too. She's dedicated endless hours of her time to help with animal charities like her own Shannon Elizabeth Foundation. And she helps raise awareness about rhino poaching and saving turkeys during Thanksgiving. But now she's another prime example of a celebrity who's found a new revenue stream in this ever evolving business. And we're definitely going to talk to her about that, too. Please welcome to Pod Meets World, our queen of hearts, Shannon Elizabeth. Hello.

[Will Friedle]

Hi.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

How are you?

[Will Friedle]

Good.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

How are you? Good. I have to see you for a second with my glasses and I'm taking a puff just to get the lay of the land.

[Danielle Fishel]

I love that your glasses are so cute. Why would you take them off?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Then you see the reflections and everything. So cute.

[Ryder Strong]

So now we're just back to blurs.

[Danielle Fishel]

Now we're blurred.

[Ryder Strong]

Now we're just blurry.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

You know what? Blurred.

[Ryder Strong]

We probably look better that way.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I'm convinced that as we get older, we lose our eyesight, so our partner continues to look good to us.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's so true. I like that.

[Ryder Strong]

That's so true.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's just a nice little bluffing, you know, Just a little bluffy.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I love it.

[Will Friedle]

I want to see how well my podcast partners know me. What's the first question I'm going to ask?

[Danielle Fishel]

Where is she?

[Will Friedle]

Thank you. Where are you? Where? It's almost dark.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

South Africa.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, jeez.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Did you not know I was coming to you from South Africa today? No, that's not the.

[Danielle Fishel]

That is incredible.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I had to race home from an appointment in town because I live about an hour away from, like, the main city and it's rush hour, so it's 6:20 here right now. Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

I didn't know you lived there full time now.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, I go back and forth a lot. I'm still in the US three or four times a year, but I'm mainly here. Yeah, that's a quick trip.

[Will Friedle]

So that's an easy, quick trip.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So that's nothing super. I mean, you know, I don't mind it. I don't mind it. My most peaceful moments are on the airplane.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, right.

[Danielle Fishel]

I understand that for sure. Well, thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Much like Taylor Swift, you have had many eras in your career, and we are excited to jump into all of them.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Well, I can't wait. I love that you compared me to Taylor Swift. Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

What we do here. I wanted to start a bit with your Waco, Texas, origin story. I know you were an avid tennis player. You were, like, a super jock for sure. So how and when do you go from jock to modeling?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Okay, so I kind of fell into playing tennis in school. A friend of mine had said, come try out for the tennis team with me. And she had been, like, practicing and, like, growing up with it and doing this her whole life, and I never picked up a racket. I didn't know what I was doing. And this was, I think, my freshman year of high school. And so I went and tried out and beat her and got in, and I don't think she got a spot. And I went straight to Vars, and

[Danielle Fishel]

it was just, my gosh, having never picked up a racket. You went from a freshman on varsity.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow. That's like discovering you have a superpower.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like, oh, I'm inclined.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I had relatives, like cousins that apparently played. And so maybe it's just one of those things that was in my genes.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I don't know. So I was. My whole high school career, I was between. It was me and another girl, back and forth for first and second on varsity, and I loved playing, and it was amazing. And it was my senior year. My dad knew that I wanted to act, and he was reading the paper one morning, and he said, oh, they're casting for a music video downtown, and they're looking for extras if you want to go audition. I'm like, yeah, of course I do. So I went down and auditioned, and I got what they called a featured extra, but it's. It's anything but featured. It was, like a flash, you know? Yeah. But it was my first chance to be on a real set. And so the whole time, I was just hanging out with everyone, like, understanding why a shot was a certain way. And I was following the director, and I was following the producer and watching every. Everything I wasn't in. Well, it turns out that the director was Antoine Fuqua.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

This was before he had done Training Day or anything. And so this was, like, in the beginning of his career, and the producer was with Propaganda films out of New York, and he and I just, like, got to talking, and we were chatting about things, and he was like, you should model. And I'm like, I don't really want to model, but I want to act. And at the time Actors did commercials and models did commercials. So I thought, well, maybe it's a way that I could get in there and maybe get my side card. And he said, why don't I come to your house and talk to your parents? And my parents were super skeptical and, like, why is this guy coming over? What does he want? What's going to happen? And I brought him to the house, and he just talked to him and said, look, if you want to come out to New York during your senior year, senior break, Christmas break, come out to New York. I'll set you up with some photographers and some agencies and just see what happens. So I took him back to his hotel, I came back home, and my parents were really impressed because he wasn't asking for money. He was just offering to help. And they said, if you want to do this, then we'll support you and we'll go out there and we'll see what happens. So we went out to New York around Christmas. I did some photos, and I got signed with an agency. So nine days after I graduated, instead of going the route of, like, college and stuff, sports, I decided to take the leap and do that and see where it led. And my parents just made it really clear, like, if. When the money. You can use your college money for this, but when it runs out, it runs out and you have to come home.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

And I don't even remember, like, how I got money from them or asking for money or what. I don't. I don't even know if it ran out. Like, I don't know. I forgot to ask about it later. It just kind of all happened.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

But when I was given the opportunity to either go to Europe up and build my book or go to Asia and do catalog work and build up my money, I chose that because I knew that I wasn't going to go back home.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. No matter what, I'm not moving back in with no money.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah. Yeah. It was just not an option. And I was more of a catalog girl anyway, so that worked out perfect for me to just go try and build up my money. And. And eventually it did lead me to. I. If you want me to just jump ahead, I'll tell you the story. Like, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

How did you go from Asia to getting an agent and starting to act?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So I traveled modeling for many years. So I probably. I think I graduated at 17 and I modeled probably till I was 20. So I was on and off in Japan for a year. I was in Taiwan. I did Australia. I just traveled around. And eventually I came Back and did Texas, I did Dallas. So I told I had made some friends in New York and they lived in la. So I told my agency in Dallas, I'm gonna drive to la. And then I was gonna drive cross country, hitting all the major modeling markets and building up my money because I didn't think I could start working in la. It just seemed like way too big. And, you know, the perception of la, when you come from a small town in Waco, you're like, no, you're gonna die if you go to LA right now.

[Danielle Fishel]

Swallow you up.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah, yeah. So they said, look, if you're going to la, they have all the best photographers. Go see some agencies, we'll set you up. And so I went and I ended up signing with Ford and they got me with some photographers. And while I was doing photos, they sent me on a few auditions and some were commercials and I got a commercial audition, I booked a commercial. And so then I postponed my trip of leaving and then suddenly I booked a second commercial and that got me my side card. So they had to tap partly me. And so it was a. It was exactly what I thought it was going to be like. I guess I just manifested that that was my crossover to getting my sidecard was the modeling. Yeah. So I wanted to. I wanted to get my feet on the ground for like a solid year in LA and not do anything else, but just focus on that. And then after a year, I started taking acting classes and I sent out my headshot. I got with an agency and they would send me on auditions and I took every acting class I could find. Like, I just did everyone around town and took a little bit from each one that. That worked for me. And eventually I got. Well before even American Pie came along. I did a show called Arlis.

[Will Friedle]

Hbo. Sure.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah, yeah. So what? Nobody really knows because I think the show is lost in the ethos. It was before the Internet, but I played a Russian tennis player. That is so funny. It was one of those things, like, I booked my best jobs when they have no other options. And it was one of those things where they were like, they need somebody that can start tomorrow and they need somebody who can wear a bathing suit, who can play tennis, who can do a Russian accent act, you know, And I'm like, okay. So somehow I got really brave with this one and decided I was gonna go in speaking with the accent as if it was my real accent. So they didn't know that I was.

[Ryder Strong]

That's smart, actually.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah. So, you know, I was like, oh, you Know, my parents, they. They speak like this at home. I've been here a long time, but, you know, I still speak like this. And. And so they never questioned the accent. They just said, oh, well, she's got the accent. Okay, right, Great. And then I talked about tennis because I was going for my state ranking. So they're like, oh, great, she could play tennis and she can wear bathing suit. And I just booked the job, and it was probably halfway through wardrobe. I'm like, I'm really tired of speaking like this. Can I just use my normal accent now? I was so afraid of, like, getting fired, but it was amazing because there was a lot of, like, Arlis was known for having cameos, but tons and tons of cameos of, you know, famous musicians and actors and everything. And, I mean, I think the one that used. Oh, John McEnroe. Yeah, John McEnroe was in it, so I had to play with him.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, that's fun.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Weasel Zappa, I think, was my eventual boyfriend in it. I think after Robert Woll was the first boyfriend, I think John Sally was in it.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

It was. For me, it was like one of my first big jobs. It was amazing. And so then I just used that as my acting reel because I didn't have enough other stuff. So whenever I needed to show somebody a reel, I was like, well, here's the episode. Just here's the whole episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

Were you living at the Oakwoods during this time? Like, where are you living? Because originally you thought you were just going to come to LA for a little bit. You've postponed your trip. Where. Where do you start living?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I started in Marina Del Rey.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

And. And I honestly, I think I did that because I was from Texas and I was a huge country music fan. And there was a song called Marina Del Rey,

[Danielle Fishel]

because anybody would tell you, if you're moving to LA for auditions, don't.

[Will Friedle]

Don't move to Marina Del Rey.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah, well, I didn't know that at the time. I was there for, like, a good year before doing the audition thing. But, you know, I remember the. Because the highway system is a big circle all around. I was constantly in my car with a pager, and I would have to get off the highway when it would go off to get my auditions for the next day, find a payphone, you know, had the Thomas Guide over here. So funny, the whole thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

So when do you get the audition for American Pie and what do you remember about it?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I was in an acting class. His name, the coach was named Doug Warhit. And we had done a scene in class that was Pulp Fiction, and I had tried to play the French girl in Pulp Fiction. Okay. And so Joe Reitman, who's my now manager and ex, was in class with me, and he was. He coaches and he was helping me, and I had this audition come up and he goes, remember in class when you tried to do the French accent? And I'm like, yeah. He goes, it sounded Russian. Do that. And so he didn't, you know, he hadn't seen. He wasn't around yet when I did the other job. But this was a much bigger audition, so I was, like, really nervous about it. And. And it's just one of those, you know, I think everybody has an accent that they just go to when they think of a foreign accent, and it's just the one that rolls off their tongue, and it just happens that that's the one that I do better than anything else.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I don't know why. I mean, that in Southern, you know, like, that was kind of it. So it just. I just got lucky and right place, right time, and I mean, the. The casting director was like, okay, I'm going to call you back, but work on the accent. He didn't really love it. Yeah. But. But eventually we got by.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, so you're from Texas. You're now playing a sexy foreign exchange student, and you've got this big webcam scene. Now, the reason it's called American Pie is crazy. Do you have any expectations after filming it? Did you think, like, this is my big break?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

No, I. In fact, I told. I told all my friends, oh, it's not going to be great. I'm so bummed. I don't think it's going to be, like, anything. I thought it was, you know, like, they want to change the accent and this and that. I was convinced it was going to not be good and not do anything, like, for me at all?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So, I mean, I. This is why I'm not a studio exec, because I had no idea. So, yeah, I thought total opposite, and thank goodness I was wrong.

[Danielle Fishel]

Had you ever done a nude scene before this? And were you incredibly nervous?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I had done, like, photos. Like, I had done some, but, I mean, the photos I did were actually with a friend of mine, and it was just for my book or me on the beach and covering myself and. And we did some where I wasn't. And then he went and sold them and I had to eventually sue him and get. And I was underage when we did the photos, so. He sold them to a French magazine, but we won the suit, and he had. I think the magazine had to pay,

[Danielle Fishel]

but, oh, my gosh, who needs enemies when you've got friends like that?

[Will Friedle]

My God.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I think because I've done so much modeling, and in modeling, you have to get so comfortable changing in the middle of the beach or changing wherever, changing the car. You just have to do it quickly and keep going. And I think. And I'd done a lot of underwear modeling, and I think all of that kind of just helped to prepare me that at the time, I was just like, all right, well, it's a job. And it was my first big job, big studio film, and it is what it is. Like, I just felt like, well, I mean, this is what actors do, right? Like, it's part of your craft. So I just had to look at it that way. I. I didn't feel like I was in a position to be saying no to jobs.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, right. What do you remember about your interactions with Jason Biggs on that day?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

We were super nervous. We were both. Everybody was nervous. It was a closed set. And Joe, my boyfriend at the time, actually came with me, and he knew that he was nervous, so he, like, played into it. He was sitting behind the monitors watching, and I don't remember, like, just, like, after we did, like, one take, he yelled something out to him as if he was angry. Right. Joking. Just ignore him. He's joking. But he was trying to, like, just lighten the mood.

[Danielle Fishel]

Lighten the mood.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

But, I mean, we were all nervous, and because it was closed, it was me, Jason, and a sound guy right above me watching everything right there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

But it was. It was totally fine, and we got through it. And, yeah, it was. It was good.

[Danielle Fishel]

I noticed during researching your career that you didn't do any nude scenes after American Pie, and you have said that posing for Playboy around that time was one of your biggest regrets. So I wonder if you talked a little bit about that evolution for you. Do you not remember that, or did you say that?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I don't remember saying that, but there's a lot of things quoted that I said. It's just not. I didn't regret that we actually did that because it went along with the character. It actually was like, well, this is what the character would do. This is like. It works with the character. So that's why it was a decision that we made at the time. I don't regret it. And what's funny is there actually was a scene in another film that I did, and I was Topless. So it wasn't actually my first time doing it.

[Will Friedle]

Okay,

[Shannon Elizabeth]

so it was the second time I did it because I had already done this other film. I'm not going to name it because everyone's going to go look for it, but, but it was with some really big actors. Like, I was really also really excited to get that role. It wasn't a studio film, but it was with a lot of named actors that I looked up to. So, yeah, it is what it is. I mean, I, I, I didn't do it again because I didn't feel like at that point I needed to do it again. And it never warranted itself, you know, there was no reason to do another type of role that was similar to her. Yeah, but if something had come along, like, you know, you remember NYPD Blue and how, like, there was quite a lot of nudity in that for a TV show. And it was, it was like, if it was something like that at the time, where it's like, okay, it's a different genre, it's a different type of thing, and it's not like exploitating what you've already done.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, right.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, so wait, so you, you won't say the name of the movie, which I totally respect. What was the video, what was the anti Antoine Fuqua video that you were in?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Oh, so the, the band was called High Five.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Actually online, it's on YouTube. I think high five and just can't Handle it is the name of the video.

[Will Friedle]

We have to see if we can spot you.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah. If you watch it, I can tell you I'm, I'm in my actual cheerleading uniform from high school, which I still have because they, they shot it at school. So I'm standing on the top of the steps at the school, and we're all like, oh, look at the guys. You know, like the guys that are dancing, we're like, oh, look, look. And that was it. Like, you see it for a split second.

[Ryder Strong]

So fun.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

That was it. But I mean, as much as that was it, I still look at that, for me, as such a pivotal moment. It really changed everything for me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

If that hadn't happened, I don't know what, where my career would have gone.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, when you look back at the time of American Pie, those red carpet events, or MTV Movie Awards, I want to hear what you think was the best 2000s clothing trend and what you think was the worst. Was it the colored sunglass lenses, bedazzled bandanas, trucker hats, juicy pants? Like, what do you think is the

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Best and the worst back then in general.

[Danielle Fishel]

Uh huh. Yeah. From that like Y2K wardrobe thing we all participated in.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I don't know if I remember enough about it, to be honest. I was never great with fashion. I always had to have a wardrobe stylist helping me. And I mean, I know you're naming the MTV Movie Awards because I had quite a weird fashion thing then. And honestly, we had no idea when I left the house that it was as see through as it was when the lights hit it. Because at home it wasn't see through. And then the lights hit it and it was like, oh, wow. Didn't plan on that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

But here we are.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep. I also have some of that just like a black. A black shirt I was wearing that I did wasn't wearing a bra with. Had absolutely no idea that when hit with a bunch of flashes was going to become completely see through.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

And all of those photos are. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

They will be there forever. It is what it is.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. What are you gonna do?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Nothing with. We do. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. So you have then appeared in all the American Pie movies. And we have had Mina Suvari and Jason Biggs on the podcast. And every time I have asked about the American Funeral sequel. That is both a possibility or a total Facebook clickbait post. We are. We do not know either way. Would you be interested in going back to playing Nadia almost 30 years later?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I would absolutely go back. In fact, I think they need to do a film all about Nadia back in her home country.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, that's a great idea.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

And following her back there and learning about her life there and yeah, I've got some ideas for it. So I love that.

[Ryder Strong]

That's a great idea.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

You should.

[Will Friedle]

It's actually really funny.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I mean, now with AI, I could probably write it by the end of the night. So my ideas. And there you go.

[Will Friedle]

It could be like a funny, sexier Borat, which would be like super funny to do, you know, that could be great. Like depending on what town you're from and everything. Yeah, that could be very funny.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

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So I don't know if you remember, Bravo did Celebrity Poker Showdown.

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Yep.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

And that was 2006, maybe something like that. I don't remember exactly, but I had because of American Pie. I had started my charity back in 2001, which meant everything to me. And so when they started doing Celebrity Poker Showdown, it was to raise or to get money for a charity of your choice. And that's all I needed to hear. Like at that point, anything that gets money from my charity, I'll do it. I had never played Texas hold' em once.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Being from Texas, I played cards. I played cards with My grandmother quite a bit when I was young, but I didn't know this card game, and they literally taught me how to play backstage before we shot the show. Oh, my gosh. I think I was first out. I had no idea what I was doing.

[Will Friedle]

How many magical superpowers do you have where you're just like. And it was the first time I drove a car, and then I won the Indy 500 two days later.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was the strangest out.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

First out.

[Will Friedle]

No, but still, then it became a thing right away. I mean, it's like you finding all these skills all of a sudden. It's so crazy.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Well, I mean, for that, it was 5,000 to my charity. Just for appearing on the show. That was like, fine. So then there was another opportunity to do something similar, and it just started happening where. Okay, all these. That's how they got celebs to play on things, is give money to charity. At the same time, a lot of the poker pros were fascinated with pop culture, and so a bunch of the poker pros started teaching a bunch of the actors. So I remember one of the actors calling me and saying, I'm bringing people to your house. I'm bringing a poker pro and a bunch of people, and they're gonna teach us. Like, okay. So then these two guys show up with. And, like, I think Jennifer Tully was there and Nick Gonzalez. There were a bunch of people there, and there were these two guys that they brought. And I'm sitting there the whole time going, which one's the person? Pro? Which one's the pro? Like, I don't know who these guys are. Yeah. And the only thing I knew about poker at this point were their nicknames. Like, I didn't know the real name.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Like, the Uni Bomber. There was the Unabomber. There was the magician. There was.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, wait, there's an actual poker player called the Unabomber.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

He wore a hoodie and glasses and. Yeah. And so that was his nickname. So one of the guys was very analytical and mathematical, and this is how you do it mathematically. And the other one's like, listen to him. That's not how you do it. You do it like this gut instinct, blah, blah, blah. Turns out they're both the pros, and one was the Unabomber and one was the magician. And I had no idea. Yeah. So I. Eventually, I just. There was a moment where I'm like, oh, it's not about the cards. It's a psychological game. And. Which I love. Like, that's my thing. I love Once I realized it really wasn't about the cards. Cards, I had fun with it because when I was used to like 5 card draw or 7 card stud or something where you might draw cards or discard, I was like, you just get your cards and that's it. That's so stupid. It's so boring. Like, I didn't get it, you know? Yeah. But then once I got it, I'm like, oh, I really like this game. Okay. Yeah, let's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Poker is fun to. I could compete in the World Series is a big step.

[Will Friedle]

How crazy?

[Danielle Fishel]

How did you know you could do it?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I wasn't sponsored. It wasn't my money, so it was. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I. This was back when a lot of the big online. Online poker sites were doing deals with a lot of people to wear their logos. So whether it was poker pros or actors or whatever, it was like, wear our logo in these televised events and it helps to advertise them.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So, I mean, I was getting. I was getting contracts from people to wear their logo. So for me, it was a way to not bug my agents. If I wasn't getting an audition or I wasn't getting a job or I wasn't working. It gave me another, like, avenue to focus on. And in the beginning, it was all about making money for my charity. And then suddenly I had this deal that was supporting myself by just, like, wearing the logo at these events. I'm like, oh, wait, you're saying I have to go to Australia to play for free? Sure. Okay. Yeah. Sign me up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So, I mean, that's why I got to play. It wasn't my money. I was actually required to play and I loved it. It just was so much fun.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you think being an actor from American Pie was an advantage or a disadvantage?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

An absolutely an advantage.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I mean, because when you, when you wear. Let's say you've got a sea of a thousand people and they have like one camera going around covering people. They're gonna go cover the people that they know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So because I was there, I was a girl, I was an actor. They recognized me from a movie. So I was getting the airtime, which is what gave me the deals. That's why they were offering me the deals, because they knew I would. The cameras were. Would go to me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So that's the only reason. If I was just some girl playing poker, they wouldn't have given me a deal. I wasn't good enough.

[Will Friedle]

So you said you're sponsored to be there. Your sponsors, you're making the money from the logos and all the sponsorship stuff, but you're playing with somebody else's money. So if you win, do you not keep the money then that you would win in the poker tournament because it wasn't your money to play with? How does that work?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Everyone had a different deal. Some people had deals where there was split. I had a deal that if I win the money, I keep the money because they knew the chances were I wasn't going to win the money were really slim. Wow. So.

[Will Friedle]

Well, that's the best way. You gambling with somebody else's money, but you keep all the winnings. That's the best way to play.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I mean, I. It was just. Yeah, I just got really lucky and. Yeah, it was just a great period of time. It was like a. You know, I think the acting community becomes kind of like a family. And it became like the poker community felt like a second family to me. So it was. It was amazing.

[Will Friedle]

Cool.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, you've mentioned it a couple of times. The Shannon Elizabeth Foundation. Have you always been connected to animals?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Always. When I was a little girl, I remember riding in the car with my dad and it was Texas, so we had a lot of armadillos, and there would be like, a dead armadillo in the road, and I would scream and cry and he would slam on the brakes. What? What? I'm like, there's dead animal. And he's like, but I thought I was gonna hit someone. I'm like, that'd be better than hitting the animal. I just, like, was always connected to animals. And we had a dog when I was young that my parents got before I was born. And when she was no longer with us, they didn't want to get another animal because they knew I would be out of the house because before the animal would be. And I was like, when I grow up, I have tons of animals. Tons. I'm going to have a farm of animals. So, yeah, I know, like, what a sanctuary was. I didn't know, like, about Africa at that point. I just knew I wanted to be surrounded by animals, so that was always in the cards for me.

[Danielle Fishel]

So is that what led you to Cape Town, South Africa, which is where you spend most of your time now?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah, yeah, it's 100%. So in 2014, I ended up moving from Hollywood to New York. And when I was out there, there was an ivory and rhino horn crush in Times Square, and so I got invited to go to that. And there were a lot of conservationists there from all over the world, but a lot from Africa. And that was my introduction to meeting a bunch of people in this space. So I started putting a trip together to come out to South Africa, Zimbabwe and Kenya just to learn, meet people and understand the issues and try to figure out what I could do. What I missed in that story is that I started following. When I was in New York, I started following a lot of these conservation organizations. And there was a video on Instagram that flipped a switch in me. I was getting ready to go out one night and something in my head said, check Instagram. And I didn't even know what I was checking for because I wasn't a big social media person, but I started checking and I came across this video of this ranger scanning what he saw in front of him. And you could see a trunk of an elephant off to one side. And then you saw the rest of the elephant, and you hear him say, this poor baby's been out here all night suffering. And then she moves. And it was the first time I realized the torture that they were going through and that. That they were still alive. Feeling every. Everything. I. I guess I just assumed that you would kill the animal and then you would take the horn or take the ivory, but they were immobilizing the animal and taking it while they were still alive, and they do that all the time. And that it flipped a switch in me. And I said, this is what I want to do with the charity. This is. You know, we started as a dog and cat rescue in la, and I knew I wanted to help more animals on a bigger scale. I didn't know what that looked like. And once I saw that, I knew that that's what I wanted to do. That the idea that these animals could go extinct in our lifetime just didn't compute. And I didn't feel like I could sit by and do nothing after knowing that. So eventually I decided I was moving out here to be closer to the issues and be able to meet more people in the space and really figure out, like, what. What could I do to help? Like, I'm still questioning that all the time. Like. Like, am I doing anything that's helping? What can I do? What more can I do? And it's always evolving, it's always changing. But, I mean, that's the goal is. I feel like it's my mission. Like, whereas acting was my job, but my mission for being here on the planet was to help the animals.

[Will Friedle]

Is it getting better? Is it getting better now for the. For the elephants and the rhinos and. I mean, is it Better than it was. Are you seeing a trend where the everybody, you know, eyes on it now and social media and there's cameras all over the place, that maybe it is trending in the right direction or no.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

It's a tough thing to say because you don't. My answer could lead the poachers to information. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So what happens is a lot of people keep things very quiet so people in the community here will know things that are not public knowledge, because the poachers know to watch, to listen, to look for things. They. They get information online the same way we do.

[Will Friedle]

Sure.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So everything. People have to hide their animals. So I will say yes, I feel like it is trending in the right direction. There's always going to be. It's the syndicate. So, I mean, you probably remember a while back, there was a lot of talk of Boko Haram and some of the Al Shabaab and these syndicates that they kidnapped a bunch of schoolgirls, which is where I think we first heard about one of them. So what. What they do is they look for ways to fund terrorism and wildlife trafficking and parts is the easiest way for them to get money to buy guns. So if they go out or they pay like tiny amounts to a local villager and they'll supply him with a panga, which is a big knife, and, and a gun. And what? And they say, bring us back a rhino horn, and you bring us back a rhino horn, we'll give you a thousand dollars. Now, that rhino horn on the black market is worth half a million dollars. And they're giving the local villager like a thousand dollars. And that local villager, for them, that's more than they're gonna make. That's life changing, you know, that's life changing for them. So as much as people don't want to do it, when you're faced with that and you have a family to feed and you don't know what else to do, and quite often these syndicates, they know how to blackmail people. They set them up to blackmail them. And so even with a lot of people in high positions, whether that's here or anywhere, government, you know, anybody who works in high positions, it's easy to fall into something where they. They look for a weakness. Now this, I mean, you see this on probably csi, they look for a weakness. This where it's like, oh, oh, you need money for your child's surgery. Let us take care of that. Let me, let me fix that for you. You're gonna take it. Now you belong to Them.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Now, now you have to keep doing what they say. And this is the problem and this is the cycle. And they're very well funded, they're very clever, and it's very hard to get out of that. And especially when they're like, oh, you don't want to do that. We'll kill you and your kids, kids will kill your wife and your kids first. And you're gonna watch. Like, it's just, it's really brutal. So it's, it's a true war, what's happening. And I think anybody in conservation just accepts that it is a war and it's very dangerous and you might get killed. So I mean, I, we, we have bulletproof vests on our sanctuary. Like, I have a bulletproof vest if, because if, if it does get infiltrated when I'm there, there's nothing you can do. And you've got your anti poaching, but really. And I'm not allowed to have a licensed gun here because I'm not from here. So all I can have is say like a, like a BB gun kind of thing that can do nylon bullets

[Danielle Fishel]

or

[Shannon Elizabeth]

pepper spray bullets or stuff. But I mean, that's the most I'm allowed to have here. So you just kind of accept and you ask the universe to protect you. Basically. Like, if I'm meant to be doing this work, protect me, protect the sanctuary, protect everything we're doing so that we can keep helping and working with local communities and trying to uplift the local communities so that they also become your protection protectors, you know, and the more you can work with a community around you, the better. And then they don't want to come in and hurt the animals. They, they want to protect you because you're helping them have a livelihood of their own and they don't need the money from the poachers. That's the real answer. But there's just so many parks and so many communities, it's. It becomes like everybody can do their little part. There is no magic bullet. But if everyone does their part in their area and their community, it can make a big difference.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

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Well you have been all over the news these past few weeks for your yes, for your maybe your newest era. You launched an OnlyFans account and it is a subscription service where fans can connect directly to you and interact. It is most famously known for adult entertainment. But tell us about what this new journey is for you and how it came together.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So I've been going through a divorce. It's. It was my second marriage and it was someone out here in South Africa and I was working on a film in November in Canada. Now my first ex husband who is my best friend and he's my manager and, and he's my acting coach. Like he's everything. His name is Joe. So Joe was up in Canada with me and we were just chatting about well now what, what's Next, you know, I'm going through this divorce and Am I going to stay in South Africa? Yes. Because I'm working on the charity, I'm working on the sanctuary. And, you know, so. But it's. It's hard because a lot of the acting is in the US And I'm not there. And so it's hard to support myself sometimes while I'm working on the charity stuff. Stuff. And I told him how much I love connecting with fans when I do, like, comic Cons. I've been doing comic cons for years now, and I told the best stories by people that the movies that I've done meant something to them. And I've never gotten to see my career from a different lens, if that makes sense. So now I feel like I seeing some of my work, but from their viewpoint, which I never thought about before, I never really put myself in a different position to look at my own life. And it's been so amazing and touching to experience that from a different viewpoint. And so I told him how much I love connecting with my fans. And back when American Pie happened, we had built a website, and at that time, actors didn't have websites. It was a really new thing. Only adult entertainers had websites. There were no actors websites at the time. So people thought we were crazy for trying to do a website. And in that we did like, we tried to do a fan club kind of thing. And I would chat with people on there. And it was just before its time. The technology wasn't great. It was hard and it was. We tried to do like live streams. And I had worked with Maxim a few times, and we, I think Maxim hosted a live stream and we crashed the server. It was just the, the technology wasn't there yet, so Joe knew about the platform. I really didn't know anything about it. And he's, he's. He was working on a. Actually like a kind of documentary thing about it. So he had done a lot of research on it. He goes, well, what if you did your page there for fans? And we just started exploring the idea and asking about it. And I knew Denise was on there, Richard. So I, you know, I'd worked with Denise in Love, actually. So I contacted her and asked some questions. And yeah, the next thing I know, it was like, well, well, yeah, let's do this. Let's try it. Let's have some fun. Why not? So that's, you know, that's where it started. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So what can fans expect when they sign up for your only fans? Because reports have Said that you brought in $1 million in just your first week. And obviously when people hear only fans, they have expectations. So what can people expect from you when they sign up?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Well, okay, so, yeah, in the first. It did very well in the first nine days, so almost a week. But yeah, you know, everybody asked, well, what are the boundaries? And I think I'm still exploring that myself. I don't know because I've only been doing this less than a month and I'm constantly doing content and the more I do the content, the more comfortable I get with myself and with like, chatting with the fans and, and just putting like my life out there. Doing content is very different and very new for me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Because I never really did it even on like Instagram and Facebook and, you know, I would do stuff now and then and I'm like, nobody cares what I'm eating. Like, nobody cares what I'm doing here. Like, I don't. You know, I. I really didn't expect the kind of response that we've gotten at all. I was just hoping somebody would show up. Like, I didn't know what it was going to do. And so I'm still trying to figure out. I don't know. I mean, I've done everything from putting on a face mask and going to bed and getting up in the morning and like, just content of my life and behind the scenes and things that I'm doing and, you know, hanging out by myself and just talking about, like thoughts in my head, like, I'm doing like everything I can to just share my day to day life so that fans feel like they're there with me and they're a part of it and they get that inside scoop of what it's like. I think I even, I even did a video of my work, my actual workout with my trainer and just like, you know, this is, this is what I'm doing. This is my life. So I'm doing a little of everything.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, Shannon, thank you so much for stopping by. It is amazing how over your lifetime you have. Have taken on so many different challenges. Whether it's tennis or acting or poker or your charity. You've just like really dived headfirst into everything you've done. So we're excited to see where you go next.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Thank you. I'd love to say that on June 28th in Las Vegas, we're doing a fundraiser, and it's a poker fundraiser, and it's during the World Series of Poker just before the main event. Fun tapping into that community. So I Would love to have you guys go.

[Danielle Fishel]

Where do people find more information about that?

[Shannon Elizabeth]

So if you go to our Instagram Shannon Elizabeth FDN for foundation at Shannon Elizabeth fdn, we've put a link in the bio for tickets. We're starting to do a lot of press on it. It'll be a link. There will be a link in my bio as well. I just haven't gotten there yet. Okay. But yeah, we're getting some amazing response for it. We're going to have some surprise activations during it. We did it a couple years ago and it was so much fun. So now it's bigger and better and we'll have some celebrity bounties that'll be in the tournaments. So inviting all of you to come be a part of it. Let me know. And yeah, and if people sign up before the end of May, they get extra, extra chips, which always helps because it is a cash prize. So you are playing for actual cash at the end of the day. So you need as many chips as you can. Great. But yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. And there's quite a well known tournament director named Matt Savage who's going to be our master of ceremonies. So it'll be a fun time to tap into back into the poker community. I was a little scared doing it a couple years ago and we had had such an amazing turnout. So like, yeah, now we have the South African poker community that travels there as well. So it was a battle between the US Pros and the South African pros, which I kind of loved. I love that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, that sounds so much fun. Great. So you can go to Shannon ElizabethFdn on Instagram to get more information and your tickets for that. Thank you, Shannon. Thank you for being with us.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Yeah. Thank you guys. It was so much fun.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thanks. Yes. Go get some sleep.

[Ryder Strong]

I was gonna say it's bedtime.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

I. I actually have another one of these to do in a few. Enjoy.

[Danielle Fishel]

We do too.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Oh, God. Thank you.

[Ryder Strong]

Have a good night.

[Danielle Fishel]

Crazy South African.

[Ryder Strong]

What a journey. I know.

[Will Friedle]

That's like, that's no joke either. I mean, I know getting into the

[Ryder Strong]

weeds of the poacher, like huge syndicate.

[Will Friedle]

I'm like, oh my God. Hugely dangerous people.

[Ryder Strong]

What a thing to tackle.

[Will Friedle]

Craziness.

[Danielle Fishel]

Crazy. Also, I'm so annoyed by the fact that I am not sure what the past tense of dive is. Is dove. Dove.

[Ryder Strong]

Dove.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. That's not a word. Dove.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes. I dove into the pool.

[Will Friedle]

Dove into the pool.

[Ryder Strong]

I dove into a career.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

I would never say dove. I I want to say something else. I don't like it.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't like you don't use doves when doves cry.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Describe exactly. Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Maybe that's what bothers me about it.

[Ryder Strong]

Now we just dove. But yes, I don't like it. I love that Will and I both made the same joke in two different dragons in two different ways.

[Danielle Fishel]

Both were like doves crying.

[Shannon Elizabeth]

Oh man.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails Pod Meets world [e-mail] and we've got merch.

[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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