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Ezra
Yeah, she texts me. She goes, how are we dressing? I said, girl, girl, I'm in my sweats. I'm looking pretty chopped for this.
Val
Listen, Val's the only one who put himself together.
Val's Friend
First of all, I point out the matching denim.
Val
I know chemistry.
Ezra
Spending time on tour with him, I fear he's the only person who is always put together.
Val
Swaggy. All the time.
Ezra
All the time.
Val
Why are you like that?
Val's Friend
Have you seen my head?
Ezra
Like this is luscious and long and beautiful.
Tony Ayo
Val.
Ezra
Always good. And then it's the. Then you always wear your loafers, and then you found sneaker loafers to rehearse in this man is a genie.
Val's Friend
You know what I mean? It was like. It was my dream come true.
Val
I also. One of my favorite things was when we were doing photos, you know, before the live shows, and he was once wearing an aloe jacket. And everyone's like, I love this jacket. And he was like, thanks. It's a woman's jacket. I just liked it because it was cropped.
Ezra
And we won't forget the paso jacket. Were you there for the pasta jacket?
Val
I don't think I won.
Val's Friend
I'm in my crop top era.
Val
I love a crop. I know you said you've been cutting everything. What are we gonna do when this trend ends?
Kyle McLaughlin
I don't know.
Val's Friend
I was about to cut the shirt, but I'm.
Ezra
I'm disappointed. I thought you were gonna pull up
Val
with looks so great.
Val's Friend
I. Yeah, no, I don't know. I just. I have my phases.
Val
Yeah. Yeah.
Val's Friend
Right now I'm in my long hair don't care phase.
Val
You still look great.
Ezra
I'm gonna get that tattoo.
Val
Clock it.
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Val's Friend
That's a Lil Wayne lyric, actually.
Ezra
For real?
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Val's Friend
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Val
Ezra, what have you done in the 36 hours since tour ended?
Ezra
36 hours.
Val
It's only been about 36 hours since tour ended.
Ezra
I feel like that's a raven moment. Like, what did I do? What did I do?
Val
You took a much needed vacation. Can we talk about your vacation?
Ezra
Yes. Okay. I went to Greece, and I definitely feel like this year is the busiest. I think we've. I mean, I've ever been. I. I don't know. I don't Know how? I don't know what your guys schedules look like, but I. I didn't have much time to spend with my family, and I definitely feel like that was just so important to me, especially going into, like, the craziness that we're about to get into.
Val
But, yeah, season starting again.
Ezra
Around the corner, girl, the clock is ticking. But just get. Getting to spend time with my mom and my sister and my grandma in Greece was just so special.
Val
The four of you went?
Ezra
Yeah, the four of us. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. And I just remember as a kid growing up, my mom just dreamed about just traveling the world and. And, like, whenever I think of going anywhere, going on vacation, I just think of taking her.
Val
Yeah.
Ezra
Because, you know, like, my mom sacrificed so much for my family just to even let us go to dance every single day. And, yeah, she kept. She kept the family going. So the fact that I was able to do that and spend that time with her and just see her light up, and, like, we were in Athens, and we're seeing all the history, and she loves history, and she knew everything. It just. It melted my heart seeing that. So it was a very special.
Val's Friend
I'm proud of you, bro. I mean, again, we have some track record of knowing each other for a while, but, like, you're doing it right, you know, to see your star ascend the way it has and for you to take the time to. To celebrate the right way, because you could have gone on a Binger and Ibiza, that's not far from it.
Ezra
But that was.
Val's Friend
Mykonos did that, too.
Ezra
We definitely checked all those boxes.
Kyle McLaughlin
Okay.
Val's Friend
But, yeah, no, we spoke earlier about family and just, like, what success looks like, and being a provider for the people you love is definitely a part of that.
Ezra
Yeah. When.
Val
So growing up, my family is. Well, not even just growing up, just in general. My family is from Malta. My mom's side of the family is. My mom's 100% Maltese.
Ezra
Wow.
Val
And my grandfather used to talk all the time. He played the lotto. And his goal was he was gonna win the lottery and take us all to Malta and.
Ezra
Cause he's.
Val
You know, he was one of 12 kids. Most of his siblings still lived there. And so when I graduated high school and I was on Boy Meets World, my graduation present to myself was to take my grandfather and my family to Malta. And at the time, you know, we were there for two to three weeks, and at the time, like, I had a boyfriend back home, and I missed him so much. And, you know, I was like, there was a part of me that was like, okay, this was really fun, but I can't wait to get home. Looking back, I am so grateful that I have those memories and that I was able to go around Malta and see, you know, my grandfather fought in the war there and got to go to the war museum and see pictures of him on the wall in the war museum and see, see the churches there and the history and the architecture and the. Just the Mediterranean, just unbelievable. So, like Val said, it's. You're doing it right? And you're doing it. You know, you're starting so young. The fact that you are sharing the wealth with your family, you're just so important to me. It really is.
Ezra
Did you vacay?
Val's Friend
Did I?
Ezra
Do you have your Euros?
Val's Friend
Well, I didn't want to interject when you were like, I don't know about your schedules, but I've been really busy. I'm like, well, we have kids. I didn't want to do that.
Ezra
Oh, wait, you know what? Now that take back my statement, like, tenfold. No, I keep forgetting that. I keep, keep forgetting that.
Val
We're just so young and cool.
Ezra
Yeah, no, you are. Like, you really are.
Val's Friend
But, yeah, no, but we're perpetually busy.
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Val's Friend
But, yeah, I mean, again, I'm part of this ecosystem at the moment still. And, and the, the. The popularity of the show is just on a different level.
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So.
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Val
Did you, did you get recognized in Greece? Do you notice now? Do you notice, like, worldwide fame?
Ezra
It's weird. Like, I did get recognized. Obviously not in this. Like, we're in the States. But it was. It's interesting because in the States, it's like Dancing with the Stars, but in, in Greece, it was people who just love my TikTok. And so that was like, really cool. Like, oh, I love your videos. Like, oh, you're that dancer guy. Like, I see you on Tick Tock. I'm like, that's super cool to experience. And yeah, like, pop off Grease, let's go.
Val
I love that.
Val's Friend
Yeah, I should be doing more videos on Tik Tok. Probably thought you yourself. No, no, not me. I'm saying you. Because again, when you forget that there are people that follow you that have no interest in Dancing with the Stars, you start to look at that platform a little differently.
Ezra
Yeah.
Val's Friend
Like, maybe I should do more than
Val
just, you know, dance all the time
Val's Friend
or, or not dance at all. I don't even dance, I might say. I just do the craziest off the rails, like, dances, like the most inappropriate music I could Find I. I make sure I do that trend.
Val
Can we talk about the. Just recently took a trip to Montana with Jenna's family.
Val's Friend
Yes, we.
Ezra
Was Hailey there?
Val's Friend
Haley was there.
Ezra
Haley was there.
Val
They did. Did you see Jenna's video about. They did the drink challenge. What were your thoughts on the drink challenge? I was dying to know. Like, Val, of course, that's your family that you've married into. So were you like, what? This family is crazy.
Val's Friend
Well, first of all, I think it's. It's amazing you asked me about Haley and Haley again is now becoming this like TikTok star and she's still the cousin, you know, or the niece, you know, and so. So the daughter, the. The granddaughter. And so when we go to these family vacations, first of all, it's such a big family.
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Val's Friend
That, you know, your importance gets lost in the, in the relationships, the familial relationships. So no, my. I love. You know, I call it a blended family because again, I married a. I'm from. From New York and an immigrant from New York marrying this all American family from California and Utah. So I just. Again, now we've been married for seven years and they've now welcomed me and I have now become, you know, one of the biggest champions of her family and her community. And so I just love, you know, the things they prioritize and the love language that they speak and fun games like that and crazy activities. Like this is the most quintessential. You know, I feel like I'm having
Ezra
the American experience, but it's the Johnsons. So how serious did they take it?
Val's Friend
Oh, they're super competitive.
Ezra
Oh, yeah.
Val's Friend
By the way, there's just excellence in every single person, whether they pursue dance or, you know, the finance world, whatever it is. Doctors, they're all really excellent and they're all really competitive. And so then the playing field becomes even when we go into these games. And that's crazy. I mean, they were very respectful, well put together people.
Val
Yeah.
Val's Friend
Until these games start, profanity is just on the tip of their tongue. All of a sudden I'm. I'm the one that's.
Ezra
No, those Johnsons are competitive af. That's what I love about them.
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Val's Friend
Well, we've been watching your sister on Next Bro.
Ezra
I've also been watching.
Val's Friend
Yeah, I've seen your.
Ezra
Your video. It's been. It's cool to. To support my sister through that. And we have, like, our little watch parties every week, and my mom will fly down and, like, we'll all just, like, sit together, and then I'll see, like, my mom's inner dance mom come out. Like, I don't see that side of her because I'm the one who's usually on TV or performing, but.
Val
Right.
Ezra
It's Stephanie. And so it's been really cool just to see her get her moment, get her flowers, get her recognition. But also I feel like the thing that means the most to me as her brother, knowing. Knowing her story, knowing everything that she went through is her actually loving what she sees.
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Ezra
In herself. And I feel like girls nowadays just have a hard time just accepting their beauty and their authenticity and just seeing my sister, like, the first episode, she watched it and she looked at me and she goes, I actually look really good.
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Ezra
And it meant the world to me. I was just like, full body chills. I was just so proud of her. And I know just like girls, like, they can be so hard on themselves. And I think that means the most to me, just seeing that kind of acceptance that she just has to herself and the way that she perceives herself, it's really special.
Val's Friend
I think she's. I'm most impressed with the way she's conducting herself and the grace with which she is taking on these challenges. And I think, you know, there's quite a bit of luck in this business as well, especially on our show. The challenges, the music, the partners. Yeah, I just.
Tony Ayo
I'm.
Val's Friend
I know Stephanie, so I'm just proud of how I. I don't even call it maturity. Like, she just feels comfortable in her skin enough to open to. I mean, the, like. I don't want to say cry, but. But, like, those. Those. The sincere openness with which she's navigating that so hard, especially for her. I'm sure she has such huge expectations for herself.
Val
And, like, if Stephanie were to become a pro tomorrow, what would you say are her strengths? Like, what does she walk into the ballroom as a new Dancing with the Stars pro? What does she walk in going? I've got this part.
Ezra
So I definitely feel like between my sister and I, I'm the. I'm, like, the person who's, like, thinking of everything.
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Ezra
I'm very analytical. I'm very, like, with choreography and very strategic. I'm. I'm that kind of person with her. She's very natural. She has, like, a natural aura to her. She also has, like, the star quality that is super bubbly. And, like, every single time anyone's around her, they make them feel warm and inviting. And I feel like if she was a pro, I feel like she'd be a fabulous pro.
Val
Oh, yeah.
Ezra
But if she was a pro, I definitely feel like she'd have those qualities, too. And I feel like she'd be able just to bring their partner out of their shell just from her being herself.
Val
Yeah.
Ezra
And she's also just, like. I don't know. She's just a star. Like, I just love watching her dance. Growing up, she was the star of the family. Even though I'd still kick her ass every single. At every single competition, I'd still beat her. But she was the one that would, like, get every audition because everyone just, like, loved the way she looked and, like, the way she, like, flipped her hair. Like, she was always that girl.
Val
What would you say are her areas for opportunity, like opportunities for growth? What would you see her. You would love to see her improve on Excel in focus on as being. You know, we all look at ourselves and are able to say, this is an area where I need to work harder.
Ezra
No, I mean, Val's perfect. He's got three mirror balls over here.
Val's Friend
You guys said it.
Ezra
You can't touch perfection.
Val
You're not saying.
Val's Friend
It's repeating.
Ezra
Oh, my God.
Val
We started off this interview giving him his flowers about being all put together, and now look where he's ending it.
Val's Friend
Throwing him back.
Ezra
And you've gotten too big. You guys, I fear. But also, I also will say, like, going into the next pro, I also had my worries and fears, and, you guys, I don't feel like it's been talked about enough. They don't have their phones. They don't have communication to the outside world.
Val
I didn't even know that.
Ezra
So I feel like a lot of people would probably expect, as her brother, to be on the phone with her every single day. No, she did that completely on her own. So going into it, the things that I was actually worried the most about for her going into it was probably how she would mentally handle the situation, because that's, like, really hard.
Val
Yes.
Ezra
But that's the thing that she overcame.
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Ezra
So that's what I'm really most proud of her because, like, I was really nervous that she was going to be there. She wouldn't know how to handle herself. She wasn't going to have her phone, which I feel like a lot of people really rely to have their phone.
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Ezra
Communication with other people in the outside world just to, like, feel confident in their own skin. But she had to find it within herself, and that's what she did on the show.
Val's Friend
Did they have access to any, like, tech or Internet at all?
Ezra
I believe they were given. And don't quote me on that. I believe they had a phone that was able to take pictures.
Val
Okay.
Ezra
And, like, ha. Like, search the Internet. But then it was restrictive of what they could search because it would. It was very imperative that the ballroom knowledge that came out of their bodies wasn't through.
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Ezra
Anything from the Internet? It came straight from the. Straight from the source.
Val's Friend
Yeah, I was gonna say that. That's. That's very tough.
Val
Yeah.
Val's Friend
I mean, I don't think it's a challenge.
Val
I don't think it's spilling too much tea to say that on Dancing with the Stars, a lot, if not all of the pros at some week or another, while you guys are choreographing the. The coming upcoming week, sometimes you guys are choreographing group numbers.
Val's Friend
Yeah.
Val
When needed, you will go to outside help for.
Ezra
Or even, like, let's say you're doing a contemporary routine. I'm just gonna look up some contemporary dances. Just to get inspiration.
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Ezra
Like, just to get lighting opening. Yeah.
Val's Friend
Like, just some simple ideas again from that or to even just have another I, I, another to look at it.
Tony Ayo
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Val
So to not have access to that at all and to have to do it alone. That's a really great answer. To continue to, like, for her to focus on that confidence. She did it in the hardest circumstances.
Ezra
Harder than we.
Val's Friend
Yeah.
Ezra
Than we got.
Val's Friend
Totally.
Val
Wow.
Ezra
Proud of her.
Val
Can anything you want to tell us that you're looking forward to with the upcoming season? What are you manifesting for yourself in this season? 35.
Ezra
I mean, I feel like none of us are confirmed, so.
Val
Okay. All right.
Ezra
We just gotta wait.
Val
You're just hoping to be on the show?
Ezra
I just think Val and I want to. Want to be employed.
Val
You want to be on the show.
Val's Friend
I'm pretty sure why you think I'm doing this as I'm hedging my.
Ezra
Well, I think I'm gonna need to start one next year, too, at this rate. I think what I'm looking forward to, like, if I am picked up, I'm just excited to be paired with someone and get to tell their story through dance. I definitely feel like I was able to do that with Jordan, and that's something that I really just fell in love with through the process and just getting to spend, like, three months with someone. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. Yeah.
Val's Friend
I mean, I don't want to hijack it, but. But that's kind of like, you know, you. You get a different relationship with dance through the show and. And going into your third season now, you. You catch the bug and you actually reevaluate that relationship, and you're like, wow, I have this. This vehicle to connect to someone else and to, you know, explore their story and. And broadcast it and hopefully a creative way. So, yeah, I mean, that's. That's a great way to go into a season. Hopefully you have somebody whose story you're going to be excited to tell.
Ezra
I mean, regardless who it is. I think that's kind of the. The fun and excitement of, like, who their partner is, because obviously we don't know who that is until we walk in that door. And even when it was Anna Delvey, my first partner.
Val
Right.
Ezra
I feel like on paper, that's someone that you shouldn't be excited about, but I was so excited to just get to know her, get in the studio. Obviously, it turned out the way that it did, but I wouldn't change it for the world. I think that's the beauty of being a pro on Dancing with the Stars. You don't know who you're going to get, but once you get with them, that's when your job actually starts.
Val
We're talking on Con Weekend. What are you most excited about for Con?
Ezra
I. I feel like what I'm most excited about for Con and I. There's two things I'm very excited about. First things first, I'm just excited to connect with the fans. Yeah, it's safe to say that we have a very devoted fan base, and they. They pull. They pulled up. Especially, like, we got a witness on tour. The amount of applause that we. We saw, the. The different types of people that would go to these shows, I think that's what's really special for us to see, too. But for Connor, like, it's. It's going to be a more intimate setting, and I, you know, we get to do our meet and greets, we get to take a picture, say hi. But this is like, we got to actually, like, meet these people, get to know these people, and I'm really excited about that. But I think one of the things I'm also really excited about is just being. It's like a clash of some of my favorite people and, like, rehearsals, like, you know, rehearsals can be tough, but we're all just, like, laughing and having a good. I'm there with, like, Haley, Jojo, Sochi, like, all these people. Riley, that I just love.
Val
Danielle.
Val's Friend
Danielle.
Ezra
Oh, my God. No, but the way we were rehearsing today and you were walking down that conga line and you were working it, but then you look to the left and then there's, like, there's Johnny and, like, he's doing his contemporary dance, and it slays, like, it's. There's. It's a special moment in, like, the Dancing with the Stars verse where it's like, I personally have, like. I personally have, like, favorite dances, favorite numbers, favorite contestants from the show that now I get to, like, actually spend time with. So this is. This has been a very, like, interesting week, to say the least.
Val's Friend
Family vacation.
Tony Ayo
Yeah.
Ezra
Yeah.
Val's Friend
Family reunion.
Ezra
Yeah, a big family reunion, but, like, in tenfold, because now you're. Now you're just spending times with celebrities from multiple seasons. So to see them interact, to see them have their conversations about, oh, my gosh, like, how is your experience on the show? Like, that's really cool to see.
Val
I got to meet Christy Yamaguchi.
Ezra
Yamaguchi.
Val
Oh, my.
Ezra
She's on her. Glitter. Glitter.
Val's Friend
Yes.
Ezra
Team Pasta. Double. Yes.
Val
So fun. Well, Ezra, thank you so much for joining us for this. This was so fun. I adore you. Always have, always will. And we'll catch you next time.
Ezra
Love you guys. I'm going to take a nap. Good idea.
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Date: August 1, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Special Guest: Ezra Sosa
Featured Hosts/Co-hosts/Guests: Val, Val's Friend
In this vibrant episode of "Pod Meets World," the crew—joined by Dancing with the Stars pro Ezra Sosa—dives into a lively conversation spanning post-tour routines, family, international fame, supportive sibling relationships, the realities of DWTS, and behind-the-scenes Con anticipation. The tone is playful, familial, and occasionally heartfelt, as the group swaps stories about vacations, TikTok recognition, the unique pressures of dance fame, and the beauty of connecting with fans and fellow dancers.
[05:00, 05:11] Ezra:
“My mom sacrificed so much for my family just to even let us go to dance every single day...So the fact that I was able to do that and spend that time with her and just see her light up...it melted my heart.” [05:59, Ezra]
[07:03] Val:
“Looking back, I am so grateful that I have those memories...my grandfather fought in the war there and got to go to the war museum and see pictures of him on the wall...” [07:13, Val]
[08:52] Val:
“In Greece, it was people who just love my TikTok...that was really cool.” [08:58, Ezra]
[09:25, 09:40] Val's Friend:
“When you forget there are people that follow you that have no interest in Dancing with the Stars, you start to look at that platform a little differently.” [09:25, Val's Friend]
[10:41] Val's Friend:
“I call it a blended family...now we've been married for seven years...the things they prioritize and the love language that they speak and fun games like that...I feel like I'm having the American experience, but it's the Johnsons.” [11:30, Val's Friend]
[11:36] Ezra, Val's Friend:
“There’s just excellence in every single person...and so then the playing field becomes even when we go into these games.” [11:38, Val's Friend]
“Those Johnsons are competitive af.” [12:07, Ezra]
[16:23–17:18] Ezra:
“...the first episode, she watched it and she looked at me and she goes, ‘I actually look really good.’ And it meant the world to me. I was just like, full body chills.” [17:17, Ezra]
[17:35] Val's Friend:
“I'm most impressed with the way she's conducting herself and the grace with which she is taking on these challenges...she just feels comfortable in her skin enough to open...” [17:35, Val's Friend]
[18:36–19:13] Ezra:
“She has, like, the star quality...every single time anyone's around her, they make them feel warm and inviting...if she was a pro, I feel like she'd be a fabulous pro.” [19:03, Ezra]
[20:03] Ezra:
“They don't have their phones...No, she did that completely on her own. So...I was actually worried the most about for her going into it was probably how she would mentally handle the situation.” [20:03–20:36, Ezra]
[21:08] Ezra:
“It was very imperative that the ballroom knowledge...came straight from the source.” [21:19, Ezra]
[21:27–22:19] Val & Ezra:
[22:22–23:07] Ezra:
“I just think Val and I want to...want to be employed.” [22:35, Ezra]
“...if I am picked up, I'm just excited to be paired with someone and get to tell their story through dance...” [22:41, Ezra]
[23:07–23:37] Val's Friend:
[24:10–26:16] Ezra:
“First things first, I’m just excited to connect with the fans...But for Con, like, it’s going to be a more intimate setting...we get to actually, like, meet these people...” [24:16–24:46, Ezra]
“A big family reunion...you’re just spending times with celebrities from multiple seasons. So to see them interact, to see them have their conversations...that’s really cool to see.” [25:44, Ezra]
[26:01] Val & Ezra:
Memorable closing:
"Ezra, thank you so much for joining us for this. This was so fun. I adore you. Always have, always will." — Val [26:07]
The episode is brimming with warmth, humor, and mutual admiration. Ezra and the hosts get candid about the pressures and joys of dance life, the importance of family and self-worth, the reality of being recognized across platforms and countries, and why genuine connection—whether with family, fans, or fellow dancers—is the real win. There's infectious excitement for the upcoming DWTS Con and deep pride for the next generation of dancers, especially Ezra's sister. Above all, viewers leave with a sense that, even in the spotlight, it's the personal moments, supportive relationships, and shared memories that matter most.