TGI – Episode 616 “My Baby Valentine”

Summary

Pod Meets World - Episode 616: “My Baby Valentine” Summary

Release Date: July 10, 2025
Podcast Host(s): Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong
Podcast Description: Danielle, Will, and Ryder revisit every episode of the beloved 90s series “Boy Meets World,” sharing nostalgic memories, behind-the-scenes insights, and engaging discussions for fans old and new.

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Episode Overview

In Episode 616, titled “My Baby Valentine,” Danielle, Will, and Ryder delve into Season 6, Episode 16 of “Boy Meets World,” originally aired on February 12, 1999. The episode centers around Cory Matthews’ attempts to organize a surprise baby shower for his fiancé, Topanga, coinciding with Valentine’s Day. However, the plans go awry when Topanga is rushed to the hospital due to an emergency labor, intertwining multiple storylines involving Cory’s anxiety, the evolving relationship between Jack and Rachel, and family dynamics.

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Key Discussions and Insights

Initial Impressions and Episode Structure ([00:00] - [16:00])

The hosts begin by acknowledging the multifaceted nature of the episode, noting its attempt to juggle various storylines:

• Ryder Strong ([14:41] - [16:01]): Expresses confusion over the episode's rushed feel, suggesting that multiple episodes’ plotlines were compressed into one. “It felt like a couple different episodes crammed into one. It was like one about Cory's anxiety and Valentine's Day, and then...”

• Danielle Fishel ([16:10] - [16:56]): Agrees, pointing out that the episode tries to handle three major storylines simultaneously, leading to a lack of depth in each. “There were like three full storylines between the baby, Rachel, Jack and Eric and Topanga and Cory.”

• Will Friedle ([15:12] - [16:00]): Critiques Cory’s portrayal, stating that this episode showcases the worst version of his character. “I kind of hated Corey in this episode. He was just the worst version of Corey you'll ever see...”

Character Analysis and Plot Critique ([16:00] - [35:00])

The discussion shifts to character motivations and plot execution:

• Cory Matthews’ Characterization ([18:00] - [35:38]):

  • Danielle ([18:50] - [22:00]): Highlights Cory’s obsessive behavior, which detracts from the episode’s intended themes. “It's not a good Corey... It just feels like he's not going to learn anything.”
  • Will ([30:35] - [35:16]): Emphasizes the lack of comedic relief and the portrayal of Cory as overly neurotic rather than endearing. “It's obsessive to the point of mental illness. In this episode, it really is...”

• Relationship Dynamics:

  • Jack and Rachel’s Subplot ([43:36] - [45:00]):

    • The hosts observe the development between Jack and Rachel, noting their chemistry but expressing dissatisfaction with how the revelation of their feelings to Eric is handled.
    • Ryder ([43:36] - [45:00]): Points out the awkwardness and lack of emotional depth in their interactions. “It's just strange to have Jack and Rachel making out and then trying to communicate it.”

  • Bill and Feeny’s Interaction ([54:25] - [67:54]):

    • Discusses Mr. Feeny’s unexpected display of affection and possible romantic interest, analyzing its alignment with his established character.
    • Will ([54:25] - [67:54]): Praises the actor's commitment to the role despite the scene’s absurdity. “He's so committed and he's working on a different level...”

Thematic Elements and Messaging ([35:00] - [57:00])

The hosts debate the episode’s underlying messages and thematic consistency:

• Prioritizing Relationships Over Individual Desires:

  • Danielle ([36:19] - [42:52]): Argues that the episode fails to effectively convey the importance of putting family first, as intended. “It just keeps getting shut down... You feel bad for him.”
  • Will ([35:38] - [35:54]): Suggests the episode could have better illustrated the balance between personal desires and family responsibilities. “They have to recognize that there's more important things going on in the world than us.”

• Handling of Serious Topics with Humor:

  • Danielle ([38:13] - [38:54]): Appreciates the show’s attempt to avoid stereotypical sitcom tropes but feels it fails when it delves into serious matters like pregnancy complications. “It's really jarring where it's like, oh, the typical...”

Personal Reflections and Reactions ([57:00] - [86:25])

The hosts share their personal experiences and emotional reactions related to the episode’s content:

• Danielle Fishel on Personal Birth Experience ([78:08] - [82:18]):

  • Shares her own childbirth experience, drawing parallels to the episode’s depiction of a premature birth and the ensuing emotional turmoil.
  • Danielle ([78:08] - [82:18]): Provides an in-depth account of her C-section and the challenges of dealing with a premature baby, highlighting the episode’s emotional resonance.

• Critique of Episode’s Climax and Resolution ([67:35] - [85:27]):

  • Ryder Strong ([67:35] - [85:27]): Critiques the episode’s resolution as unearned and lacking in dramatic payoff, feeling that conflicts are either glossed over or handled ineffectively.

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Notable Quotes

• Will Friedle ([16:12] - [16:00]):
  "I kind of hated Corey in this episode. He was just the worst version of Corey you'll ever see."

• Danielle Fishel ([18:50] - [22:00]):
  "It's not a good Corey... It just feels like he's not going to learn anything."

• Will Friedle ([30:35] - [35:16]):
  "It's obsessive to the point of mental illness. In this episode, it really is..."

• Danielle Fishel ([36:19] - [42:52]):
  "It just keeps getting shut down... You feel bad for him."

• Will Friedle ([35:38] - [35:54]):
  "They have to recognize that there's more important things going on in the world than us."

• Will Friedle ([54:25] - [67:54]):
  "He's so committed and he's working on a different level..."

• Danielle Fishel ([78:08] - [82:18]):
  "It's pretty dangerous... It got rid of it on its own over the next six months."

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Conclusions and Final Thoughts

The hosts collectively feel that “My Baby Valentine” is one of the weaker episodes in the “Boy Meets World” series due to its rushed plotlines, inconsistent character portrayals, and lackluster handling of significant emotional moments. They express disappointment in how the episode fails to effectively balance humor with serious themes and criticize the lack of depth in resolving conflicts.

• Ryder Strong:
  “It's such a fine line. Like, when is Corey being selfish and neurotic? Hysterical? And when is it just really unlikable.”

• Danielle Fishel:
  “It's a lot. It's just unnecessary.”

• Will Friedle:
  “It's a lot.”

Despite the criticisms, the discussion provides valuable insights into character development, storytelling techniques, and the challenges of balancing multiple plotlines within a single episode. The hosts emphasize the importance of coherent narrative structure and authentic character motivations to maintain the integrity and emotional impact of the story.

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Closing Remarks

Danielle, Will, and Ryder wrap up the episode by reflecting on potential improvements and expressing their longing for episodes that more effectively intertwine personal growth with relationship dynamics. They also tease the next episode, which promises a continuation of the Matthews family's saga.

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Transcript

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[Will Friedle]

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I am here to not finish, but continue the saga of the squeaky shoe.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, God. Oh, no.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, so I finally was like, I really can't put up with this. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna reach out to the company, find out whether, you know. And they're like, well, okay, you know, we could resold the shoe, but it's probably gonna cost you money, but you can send us the shoes. And I was like, okay, so it feels weird to box up used shoes them off. And I literally get three phone calls. Not one, but three phone calls until I finally connect, and I'm like, why do they keep calling me? And, you know, the guy keeps leaving me a message like, this is, you know, Nick up here, and I just wanted to talk to you about your shoes. I was like, oh, okay. You know, like, I finally call him back, and I finally. I connect with him. It's like talking to a mechanic about your car. All right, well, I got your shoes here, and I'm looking at them right now. I'm about to take them out on the floor. And, you know, but I need you on the lift. We can take on the lift. I need you to give me the go ahead on the shoes.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm like, they need a new muffler. What do you need?

[Ryder Strong]

$250 to resole them. Okay. Is there an option? I was like, is there anything else?

[Danielle Fishel]

Wait, how much are the shoes to buy new?

[Ryder Strong]

It was over $500.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. 50%, though, is the soldier.

[Ryder Strong]

And I'm like, no, don't.

[Will Friedle]

Don't touch him at all. I'm going to take them to another cobbler.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

That's what you say with mechanics. Don't. Don't touch it.

[Ryder Strong]

I know I should have done the Daniel Fischl thing. Get three estimates. Three estimates and go with a low. No I. I. But I was like, you have my shoes. You can't just, like, can you test them, find the squeak, and, like, put.

[Danielle Fishel]

It in somebody else?

[Ryder Strong]

What do you do, man?

[Will Friedle]

But it was so.

[Ryder Strong]

And then I was like, yeah, go ahead. He's like, all right, you want to pay me now or pay me when it's. I'm like, this is what.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, this is a shakedown.

[Ryder Strong]

Here's my credit card.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just.

[Ryder Strong]

Just charge.

[Danielle Fishel]

Give the shoes an ekg.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God.

[Ryder Strong]

But the worst part, while this is happening, I put on my other boots that I don't wear as much. They cost me less, but they look good, you know? And guess what develops?

[Danielle Fishel]

No squeeze.

[Ryder Strong]

Same spot on the same shoe. So it's a knee problem. It's something about the way I walk.

[Danielle Fishel]

Something's wrong with your foot?

[Ryder Strong]

Something's wrong with my foot.

[Danielle Fishel]

My foot.

[Ryder Strong]

My leg.

[Danielle Fishel]

The left hobbit foot.

[Ryder Strong]

Wait, I have a question. We need to update my wikifeet page. We have to put a warning.

[Will Friedle]

Wait a second. Scare, you sure that your foot is not squeaking at this point? It might just be your foot.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, I never walk barefoot because I would never inflict my bare feet on the. So I will never know. I will never know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Rider, you need my barefoot shoes. No. Oh, God. Oh, God.

[Ryder Strong]

I need the toes.

[Will Friedle]

Have you thought of de shoes?

[Ryder Strong]

They could work. Oh, my God. I know.

[Danielle Fishel]

But.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, so now I have a squeak on my other shoes, and I'm like, I guess this is just, you know. But I did get the shoes back. I'm wearing them right now. They. They are not squeaking. They're fine. I've now spent over $700 on.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

They're not squeaking.

[Will Friedle]

Hooked up to, like, a diagnostic machine, and the guy's, like, typing in the computer as it's doing, like, all the 3D printouts. It's like the Iron man creating a suit. He's, like, blowing it up in front of him and spinning the shoe around.

[Ryder Strong]

And patchouli fragments isolated to squeak. Oh, God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hacky. Sack marks and patchouli smell coming from the.

[Will Friedle]

That's definitely what's happening here. Oh, it's squeaking because there's a proverb from David Hume tagged into the toe.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hey, I found that pen.

[Ryder Strong]

It's calling out for the leather jacket is what's happen.

[Danielle Fishel]

They're all looking for the lost leather jacket.

[Will Friedle]

Question. Would you buy this same pair of boots again? Would you buy from this company again, or no?

[Ryder Strong]

I kind of love them. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, you love them. So Much.

[Ryder Strong]

They're like the greatest. Yeah, I mean they're like real quality heavy duty Pacific Northwest boots. There's like this whole category of.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's.

[Ryder Strong]

If you look online and a lot of them take like, like over six months. You order a pair of shoes, it takes over six months to get them. It's like a whole. Yeah, it's a whole culture.

[Will Friedle]

If they sell a squeaky clown nose, what the hell's the point?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, the whole point is that you buy one and like they last you your whole life.

[Will Friedle]

That's all you need.

[Ryder Strong]

Except you have to resold them.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right?

[Ryder Strong]

But it's. They're amazing. They're so heavy duty and I do love them.

[Will Friedle]

So Danielle and I, in our neighborhood there is actually a cobbler, like an old school leather working cobbler. You can go and have stuff fixed and.

[Ryder Strong]

But see I get scared because I did that in New York. I took a pair of boots that I had to a shoe guy in New York or cobbler in New York and I was like, oh, can you just put new soles on this? And he put like the worst, like normal shoe soles and like completely ruined the boots. And like when I got him back I was like, oh, thank you. And you know, I was only like 20 years old.

[Danielle Fishel]

You didn't know how to stand up for yourself.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, exactly. I was just like, I guess I'll just take these. Awful looking, horrible walking.

[Will Friedle]

Got like a Nike swoosh on it says Adidas on the side.

[Ryder Strong]

Such a bad. So I've always been scared of cobblers. Like how did you not know to put like a boot sole that matched what it already had? I mean I just. Yeah, I made. I got screwed.

[Will Friedle]

But anyway, sounds very grim's fairy tale. That's why I've always been afraid of the cobbler.

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[Ryder Strong]

Man, we haven't, like, I. We haven't watched the show for a while. It's been like a month.

[Will Friedle]

It's been a while.

[Ryder Strong]

Very, very weird. This episode felt weird. I didn't, you know, I had no memories because I clearly. This is the smallest part I've ever had. On an episode of Boy Meets World, you had that one phone call.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

And I probably pre taped it and like, otherwise I wasn't. So I feel like I'd never. I don't even know if I read the script. Like, I was so not.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why was it this. Were you out of town? Were you gone somewhere?

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, I know it was a road trip. Yeah, no, I think I was just. They think they just decided to, you know, get Sean out of there, but. So it felt weird to like, be just kind of watching a show that I. I will say I. Way more invested in the Rachel Jack storyline than I ever thought I would be. I was like, this is actually. This is good. Matt's great. And like, I just was like, oh, this is a cool. Like, I. I was like, oh, yeah. That's a storyline that I didn't even remember happening. So it was cool to just watch that. But I don't know, I felt rushed. Felt weird. It felt like I believe we're already.

[Danielle Fishel]

At the baby being born.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. But it just felt like a couple different episodes crammed into one. It was like one about Cory's anxiety and Valentine's Day. And then it really obviously doesn't become about that. And I don't know if he actually learned anything. So I don't know, it just felt like a. Kind of like a. It felt like a couple different episodes got crammed together and they just rushed this one out.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. There were like three full storylines between the baby, Rachel, Jack and Eric and Topanga and Cory. Valentine's drama.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Will.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. It wasn't my favorite. No, it was. This episode was. There's so much with it that was. I don't know. I hated Corey, but I think you're supposed to, but he was just the worst version of Corey you'll ever see, ever. It's just terrible. I didn't particularly like my performance. I thought I was pushing a lot in this episode. Yeah. And then they had a premature baby that was 37 pounds at birth, which is also interesting. She's like here's your child. Oh, my God. It's only seven and a half months. Like, here you go. It took two people to wheel the kid in. So, yeah, no. I don't know. Maybe I was in a weird mood, but I really did not like this episode. Also remembered nothing of this episode. Like Ryder. Nothing whatsoever.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Just.

[Will Friedle]

It wasn't my favorite. I also have a theory we'll get into with Mr. Feeny, but actually, Bill. That we'll get into a little bit later.

[Ryder Strong]

But yeah, Bill was, I thought, hysterical. Like, he's watching him. It was so refreshing to just see happy.

[Will Friedle]

Bill is my favorite, but he wasn't. Remember. Was it the. Because again, it's been a while. Was it the last episode that we did that he wasn't in it? And we're like, did Bill have finals?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, right.

[Will Friedle]

He was. As he was laughing in this episode, he was covering a cough. You could tell. And I'm thinking the week before he was sick. That's why he wasn't in the episode. Cause remember, we were like, this should have been a scene with Rusty and Bill. And why did that not happen? And you can hear he's got something bronchial going on. And I think the prior week he was sick. That's my guess after hearing this one. Happy Feeny. Great Feeny. That's really fun. Rest of the episode. And you're right, Matt and Maitland were great. And they have this chemistry between the two of them. And even the kissing works. It was a little, but the kissing works. Like, they, they seem like they go well together. But overall, the episode, I wasn't a fan of.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, Danielle, I know. I agree. I. You know, this is definitely the. The worst of. The worst version of Corey I think we've ever seen consistently through an entire episode. So much so that, like, the way he grabs Topanga's shoulder and like, you can hear in my voice when I'm. Because I'm talking, I'm. Whatever it is that I'm saying. And he grabs me by the shoulder and you can hear that there's enough force in it that it changes the way the words are coming out of my mouth. Like my, My breath changes. And I, I, it's just, it's not a good Corey. And I know that people have warned us, like, oh, just wait. But truthfully, for the majority of season six, there have been some moments, but for the majority of season six, it's been a lot of our favorite type of Cory.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Neurotic Cory.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. And then every now and then, they Throw in an episode like this where it's just. Yeah. And I'm not sure he did ever learn anything Topanga said to him. I don't know. Four times. And even just the first scene, sometimes plans change, Corey. Sometimes things change. And at the end, he still doesn't seem like anything's landed on him. I wish, I wish there were. And I don't know, because you're. I'm trying not to be the person who says, I wish there could have been some more comedy in the Rachel and Jack needing to tell Eric storyline. But then when I really think about that and I think about what they would have done, I probably would have complained about that too. And I don't want to be that person who's like, right. You know, says, I would have been happy another way and then. But really, would I have been? So I don't know. I don't have a good answer for how to improve this aspect of their story. I like the idea that we've reached the point now where, okay, there are real feelings here we are going to be in a relationship, and now we really do have to talk to Eric. I like that. I, I.

[Ryder Strong]

But then Eric just reveals that he knows.

[Danielle Fishel]

He knows, and they do that idiots.

[Will Friedle]

Thing with Eric again, where it's like he's known the whole time, and it's kind of like, okay, yeah, it would have been more interesting had he really not known.

[Danielle Fishel]

Not known. You're exactly right. It definitely would have been more interesting to see him learn that information. Yeah. And make the reveal or the decision that you're gonna move out in another episode. We have enough bombshells in this one episode.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

You finding out and us seeing your real reaction to that news and then later there being. The storyline may have been better. So that, that was a, A, that's probably a pretty good fix.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I think what they were going for, or at least what they should have kind of shot for a little more. Even if they had to bracket it to the point where it was like, okay, we get it. Is everybody. Everybody has their own thing going on that they think is super important until this baby is born and may die and everybody realizes, wow, there's way more important things going on in the world than us. I think that's kind of what they were going.

[Ryder Strong]

It didn't feel like that, though. When you say that, I'm like, that sounds like a good episode.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Like, Corey's supposed to realize, wow, this all my. All my is not the. Eric should have been like, wow, yeah, they're in love now. And that's really upsetting me. But my little. Like that Feeny, I'm in love. All that could have meant. None of that matters. This is what matters. But I think that's what they were going for. Didn't really land very well, though.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. And I think part of the reason it didn't land very well is because everyone handled their own news very dramatically. Instead of being like, honestly, just life is short. You know, be happy. Or manga. Valentine's Day. It isn't about the day. Tomorrow I'll celebrate you. Tomorrow I'll celebrate us the next day. Like if had the message turned out that way. But instead everyone's like, this baby's dying and my life sucks. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

And then they went the opposite way with Eric where Eric's like, we're. We're together. He's like, I know, I know. It'll be great.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm moving out and I'm moving out. Nothing will ever be the same again. It's not. I did not read it as you being okay. It's great.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, see, I did. I. I read it. I played. I feel like I played it like, no, it's never gonna be the same again. And that's okay. Like, you guys go explore and I'm gonna move out.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, there's definitely you saying it's gonna be okay. Very much. Like it's okay that you've broken my heart and our friendship is.

[Will Friedle]

I wish I played it more like that. That's how it should have been.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's all it came across to me like, so I don't know. Well, jumping into our guest stars, we have Gwen McGee as nurse. She's appeared in movies like New Jersey Drive and Coach Carter and TV shows like Days of Our Lives and Seinfeld. Yeah, well, she was Janine in the Fatigues.

[Will Friedle]

She was. And you know who the other guy was in the Fatigues? It's her. And the guy who plays the trailer park crazy gu. Bald headed, who's like, you shouldn't be bringing them around here. You know, this is our trailer. Yeah, yeah. So that's the other guy from that same episode. Yeah, Yep. Multiple Boy Meets Worlders.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then we have McNally Sagal as doctor, another veteran actor seen in movies like Pleasantville, Coneheads and SLC Punk and TV shows like E.R. house and Lucifer. And then we have Brendan Wentworth as pizza guy. Brendan had already appeared on Guiding Light and Dharma and Greg by the time he got to Boy Meets World. Then he stopped acting in 2002. Apparently popping back up 16 years later in TV shows like Cypher and All American. Just last year I that that scene with him with Corey calling a stripper. It's quite a move. Quite a move.

[Will Friedle]

It's really funny though, like, because it's so ridiculous that it's like my mom's having a baby shower next to my 11 year old sister and I'm gonna call a stripper.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep. So then. So to start off our recap, we are in the Matthews living room. Corey appears to be on the phone facting with Topanga. He explains how important this Valentine's Day is. It's the first one since they broke up and the last one before they're married. Corey says he'll be wearing a turtleneck and then asks what she'll be wearing. But to our surprise, on the other end of the line, it's Sean. He is on a payphone and says he sporting jeans, the same shirt he's been wearing for a week, and Tommy Hilfiger socks. Shawn tells him that Valentine's Day isn't very important to him, so he'd rather not talk about it. Corey wonders because you miss Angela. Shawn clarifies, because I'm at a payphone and there are cowboys around. On cue, a crowd of cowboys lines up behind him for the phone. Corey says he misses him and Shawn turns to the cowboys before responding. Okay, fine. Corey is shocked. Aren't you gonna say it? Sean stammers. No, I'm not gonna say it. Corey whines, you don't miss me? Through gritted teeth, Sean says, let's not talk about this right now. How do the. How does Sean think these cowboys know who he's on the phone with?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, why couldn't.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why couldn't you have been talking?

[Ryder Strong]

Why? Sean is never bothered by his feelings for Corey. Like, that's never, I'm Corey or I'm Sean, you're Cory.

[Will Friedle]

That's all.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, he's like, the point of Sean is that he doesn't give a crap. It's Cory. He's anxious.

[Danielle Fishel]

See how maybe Sean on the road alone in a. In an unfamiliar place. I could see how that could change things a little bit. But like, I'm sorry, I could never get past the idea that no one should know who you're on the other end of. No one should know who's on the other line. It's not like they can see the split screen, right? Like right.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. By the way, it seemed like they radar at first. I was like, oh my. They're radar. Arriving Riders. Rider.

[Danielle Fishel]

What?

[Will Friedle]

Because Radar O'Reilly. Ridering. Ridering. Okay. Raider.

[Danielle Fishel]

Raider O'Reilly. Ing. Rider.

[Will Friedle]

Rider. Yes. That's what I was trying to mean. So this is the rumor. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think I am. Towards the end of Gary Bergoff's run on mash, the eighth season in, he wanted to leave. He was not getting along with the cast. The cast was not getting along with them. They were not working well together. So he was always on our R in Tokyo. And they would cut to him on the phone talking to somebody at mash.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's how they incorporated him in the episode. But he didn't have to be around the cast.

[Will Friedle]

Three episodes in a row, he's just in a hotel room in Tokyo by himself going like, why are you calling me Clinger? And then they cut back to the rest of mash. I was like, maybe they're firing Ryder and we just don't know about it. It's possible this could be Ryder's last episode and we don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my God. It would have been thrilled. He's like, are you writing me off? Are you guys going to write me off? Can I, can I shoot this trip? Truck stop phone call from anywhere in the world.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. Ryder O'Reilly. That's the new one.

[Danielle Fishel]

Ryder O'Reilly.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. I feel like this was, you know, the, the idea for this scene was kind of like a callback to that great phone scene and fair to forget. So they're just trying to like.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, I also thought it's a callback to when Chet was on the road. And Chet calls like. Which is kind of the more in theme with what we're. You're doing. You're on the same type of becoming.

[Ryder Strong]

My father in some way.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Do you think you found another all girl band in that bar?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, one. It's just your bodies.

[Will Friedle]

Every place you stop, there's just these random like boy and girl bands everywhere. You are just pop bands.

[Danielle Fishel]

One of the cowboys chimes in, there ain't nothing wrong with wishing another man a Happy Valentine's Day, right boys? The cowboys agree. In fact, his friend reveals a Valentine's Day gift he got just for him. A heart box filled with chocolate. Sean grins and finally says it. Happy Valentine's Day, Corey. Corey wishes him the same and hangs up. Then Topanga walks in asking if Sean's still on his quest for self discovery. You can tell. I walk in and immediately take off my jacket because you can't act in a jacket. You can't act in a jacket and.

[Ryder Strong]

That this is the move to hang it up.

[Danielle Fishel]

I had to get it off.

[Will Friedle]

It was worth the move.

[Danielle Fishel]

I have officially decided. I have traced it back to this. This scene in particular. This is where my very strong hatred of button down shirts came from. I.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, explain please.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can't stand them. On me. On other people. Always so cute. I cannot wear them. They don't fit. They don't fit me. Well, I am. I'm not. The right proportions for buttons.

[Ryder Strong]

Interesting.

[Will Friedle]

There's a buckle. Proportion.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes, because fine zippers seem to be fine. Maybe clasp clasps, possibly.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, toggles. A good toggle never hurt anybody.

[Danielle Fishel]

Or how about just a crew neck or a V neck? Something with no buttons or clasps or toggles or zippers or anything. I truly. And I've tried. I, I've, I've. It's kind of like turtlenecks. I. I've also bought a couple of turtlenecks in my day. I don't have a very long neck. So when I put a turtleneck on, I. My neck looks like it's this short. But I see them on other people. Susan, for example. No one rocks a turtleneck like Susan. Yeah, And I'll see Susan in a turtleneck and I'll go, I gotta get that sweater. And then I get that sweater and I'm like, I'm just gonna give this one to Susan because I don't like this. I'm the same way with button down shirts. Can't wear them. Don't wear them. I trace it back to this moment. Can't stand it. Looks terrible.

[Will Friedle]

Can you act in a button down?

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, yeah, apparently not. Well, actually, to be fair, maybe you guys don't agree with me. Like this scene, for me, I actually think. For me. Yeah, for you.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, for you.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's some moments in this scene where it's the Topanga and Corey. It's the version of like when Corey's being neurotic and Topanga, actually, she gets it and she's eye rolly, but she knows how to respond to him. And she kind of makes fun of him a little bit later when he says, like, do you want to know what I think about that? And I respond no, the same way he said no. Like, I. That makes, Makes. That makes me like Topanga more because it's very apparent that how well she knows him.

[Will Friedle]

This is a good Topanga.

[Ryder Strong]

What is the end of Corey's anxiety? Like, what does he want exactly?

[Danielle Fishel]

He want a wonderful Valentine's Day night with Topanga. That makes us essentially forget last year's Valentine's Day, which we didn't spend together because he had kissed Lauren.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, that is so convoluted. I mean.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, no, it gets worse. It should work.

[Ryder Strong]

Why can't it just be dinner, like. Or sex or whatever. I want this. And instead it's like. Like what you just said is, like four sentences long to try. And it's like, well, hold on. And we have to get all this out. And it's like there's no immediate. And so it's.

[Will Friedle]

But it also gets worse because at the end, he says, I want. I want us to be the most important things to each other forever. No matter what else is going. The world could be on fire. We have to be the most important things every single second. Even if something else is going on. So unlikable. It's so unlikable.

[Ryder Strong]

And it's really understandable. Like, it's not. You can't wrap your head around that abstract version of how, like, humans don't think like that.

[Will Friedle]

It's obsessive to the point of mental illness. In this episode, it really is, where you're like, what the hell is wrong with this man? She should be running from this guy. It was. It was a bad Corey. Like, a really bad Corey.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, well, Corey demands they forget about Sean because this Valentine's Day is all about them. Ring a ding ding. Topanga is much less enthused. I know how important this holiday is to you, Corey. Ring a ding ding. Corey mentions last year. But Topanga quickly tries to change the subject, ignoring her request. He begins, last year, we were. I mean, you and I were. I can't even talk about it. Topanga finishes his sentence, broken up because you kissed another girl. Corey is taken aback, like an elephant. The memory on this one, you know, what about you? You kissed that soap opera guy. Little meta joke there. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Ricky is back.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga corrects him. You mean the artist? He rolls his eyes. Whatever. He asks where Topanga was all day. They were supposed to talk about their Valentine's Day plans tomorrow, and she knew.

[Ryder Strong]

That, so he wants her to talk about the plans that they're coming.

[Danielle Fishel]

Not only is Valentine's Day the day where we have to. The day before, we need to be available. Yes, exactly. Of course. Everyone's favorite holiday. Topanga explains that Morgan called her. She needed a ride home from school. On cue, Morgan walks in and Corey has questions. Why didn't you call Mom? You know, today's the day before Valentine's Day, and I'm trying to get the focus back on Corey and Topanga.

[Ryder Strong]

What?

[Danielle Fishel]

Morgan throws her arms in the air. Mom forgot about me again. Just like she forgot to buy the valentines for me to hand out at school. Which is why Bobby Porterfield thinks I don't like him, which is why he didn't invite me to his party tomorrow night. I'm very sad about this.

[Ryder Strong]

I had this moment looking at her. I was like, oh, wow. This is Corey in season one.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Being neglected by the family.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Not getting picked up at school.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Then Topanga gets an idea. Corey immediately tries to shut it down, but it's too late. Topanga suggests they invite Morgan to spend Valentine's Day with them. Corey is continuously shouting now in the background, and by the time Topanga finishes, he asks, you want to know what my answer is? And Topanga shouts back, no. Does everyone at this point know without us having to say it, that this no was a Michael Jacobs impression?

[Will Friedle]

Of course.

[Danielle Fishel]

A direct line reading for Ben to say no. Just like Amber. Him now.

[Will Friedle]

Now.

[Danielle Fishel]

Then reminds him, this party was very important to your sister. With the new baby coming, she's feeling very excluded. Corey retorts, you know who else feels excluded? Me. Topanga reminds him, this is your sister. Corey responds, that's why I never asked her on a date. Now, does our first engaged Valentine's Day mean nothing to you? Topanga reiterates that it's important, but sometimes there are other things that are more important than the two of them. Him. Corey snaps back, what's more important than you and me, except me?

[Will Friedle]

They're not even hiding it anymore. They're literally not even hiding. He's saying the things you're supposed to keep in your head. He's just saying them now.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, I guess it's supposed to be funny that he's this selfish. Really not. It's just not funny. It's just awful.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Is there.

[Will Friedle]

It's so.

[Ryder Strong]

It's such a fine line. Like, when is. Is Corey being selfish and neurotic? Hysterical? And when is it just really unlikable? And what is it like? I. I mean, it's.

[Danielle Fishel]

I think there's a. There's a real selfishness that's not funny. Like being out straightforwardly selfish to the detriment of everyone around you. Everyone that you say you love around you isn't comedy. Him, actually, when he's. A lot of times when he's neurotic, he's neurotic in a loving sense about the people around him. I'm so worried about Sean. What are they gonn. I got to protect him. Oh, Topanga. I need to. I want her to know.

[Ryder Strong]

I was thinking, like, isn't curb your enthusiasm just him being an awful person? Like, isn't that the point? But it always comes from a place of weakness.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right?

[Ryder Strong]

Like he's. He can't help himself. He's going to ruin everybody's good time. Or still. Yeah. It's cringe. Right? This isn't like.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's like it's played that way. Yeah, no, no, this is played like, look how adorable I am.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. They want to make him the hero. Anti hero, and it doesn't work. You can't just switch to it from episode to episode. Is the. Is the strange thing. And it's so self centered and it's to the detriment of everyone around him. And it's like, this isn't funny.

[Ryder Strong]

I think it would be funnier if it was something completely like, if he was being so petty, like he was so obsessed over one thing. Like, we have to have this meal or we have to exchange these notes. I don't know what it is, but it's like, it's so obvious that he's obsessing over this. But when he's obsessing over the abstract concept of we have to be the most important people, it's like, you just can't. Can't. It's. It's not understandable.

[Will Friedle]

Every Valentine's Day, they did one specific thing, and last year they didn't because they were broken up. So he wants to get them back on track with the one thing they did.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, Right.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, something like that. But it wasn't.

[Ryder Strong]

It was a certain thing on them. Right. We have to exchange that at the certain time. And it's ridiculous.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. We go back to the playground. Something we do. We. We do this every year. We have a thing in the treehouse. I mean, something.

[Danielle Fishel]

Also there's a. If we. Because we've seen this before and we have thought it was funny. If there's a thing that he wants and he's understanding when a thing comes up that you know, okay. Oh, my sister needed a ride. Okay. That's understandable. Well, now we can have the conversation. Another thing happens, right? Oh, gosh. Okay. Another thing happens. Okay. Well, that's. Okay. That. Of course. What are we going to do?

[Ryder Strong]

We're still going to have our Valentine's Day.

[Danielle Fishel]

We're still going to have our Valentine's Day. And it just. And then it just keeps getting shut Down. Then you feel for Corey, because even though his wants and his desires are maybe less important than all the stuff going around, he just keeps getting the shock shaft. So you feel. You feel bad for him.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

In this case, it's like your sister was stranded at school and you keep creating problems and you're upset because we were supposed to talk about our Valentine, and you're. Then you're mad at the sister. It's. And at your fiance. It's like, that's not really. That's not. Nobody loves that.

[Will Friedle]

He's still pissed when he's in the hospital. Like, you're literally in the hospital and you're still mad.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga says, sometimes things come up. And Corey shouts, I hate it. I hate that things come up. Then a still pregnant Amy walks in, huffing and puffing. Oh, I forgot about how awful all this is. Allen and Eric trail in behind her. She tells her husband, don't look at me if I repulse you. Alan clarifies that he never said repulsed. And Amy rolls her eyes. You laughed at me when I tried on the orange dress. Eric grins. You look like the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown. Alan sternly tells his son, your mother is enormous for a reason. Amy questions.

[Ryder Strong]

It's her fourth time being pregnant. She's, like, surprised by what's happening. I know anybody who's had more than one kid is, like, by the second one, you're like, my body's a mess.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, exactly. Also, he's surprised. It's his fourth baby, too. He's seen her pregnant three other times. And she also is not even close to enormous.

[Ryder Strong]

No, no.

[Danielle Fishel]

She's like, tiny everywhere.

[Will Friedle]

But it's also, you know, one of the things I think it is, at least for me, is that one of the reasons I love this show and going back and watching it, and I think we've talked about this before, is it doesn't do the stereotypical sitcom stuff.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then it does.

[Will Friedle]

It's really jarring where it's like, oh, the typical. The pregnant lady's fat and what's the husband going to do?

[Ryder Strong]

And wrong thing.

[Will Friedle]

He says the wrong thing every time. And it really does when. When it feels just hit the ear wrong. On our show, when it does the typical sitcom stuff.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. Eric nods vigorously while Alan asks, what do you want me to say? Amy tells them I am seven and a half months pregnant. I waddle. I can hear my thighs rub together like a human cricket. Eric's face sours. Ew. My mommy said thighs rub together. Ew. Amy asks do you still love me? And Eric swiftly answers, no.

[Will Friedle]

No.

[Danielle Fishel]

Alan waves his son off. Of course I love you. Look what I got you. He pulls out a heart shaped box of chocolates and hands it to her. The audience awes. But Amy opens the box to reveal something that is not chocolate. You gr. You got me dried fruit. Alan explains. I thought because it's fat free. Amy chucks the dried fruit at him and shouts, why don't you just paint Goodyear on my butt and fly me over the Super Bowl. Topanga steps in and tells Amy she's beautiful. Amy finally calms down just in time for Topanga to get another idea. Corey tries to stop her again as she suggests, why don't we have a Valentine's Day baby shower? Corey sighs, why don't we not?

[Ryder Strong]

What is this? I mean, like, just think about that concept. What?

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

Just have a baby shower. But you could do it on Valentine's Day. What?

[Danielle Fishel]

On top of that.

[Ryder Strong]

For this to be the conflict.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why are you just now thinking about the baby show shower? That's why I think these are like.

[Ryder Strong]

Two different episodes that they just were like. Well, we could just make them one or three different episodes. It's so weird. It's so.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's a lot. It's just unnecessary.

[Will Friedle]

Let's have a Valentine's Day Christmas baby shower.

[Danielle Fishel]

Christmas Eve.

[Ryder Strong]

It's Christmas Eve Day. Valentine's baby shower. God.

[Will Friedle]

We also mentioned the Great Pumpkin. Charlie Brown. So we can throw. Let's make it Halloween.

[Danielle Fishel]

Halloween.

[Will Friedle]

I love it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Corey sighs. Why don't we not? Topanga tells Morgan she can help plan the party and it'll just be the girls. Corey changes his tune and shouts, that's discriminatory and I won't stand for it. Amy admits, it does sound very nice. So Corey asks his fiance, what's wrong with you, huh? Why do you always have to help everybody? You're a sick little girl. Alan declares, baby shower it is. And motions to the boys. We're going bowling. Bowling. Topanga tells Eric to invite Rachel as well. And he nods. Oh, cool. Cause I know she doesn't have a date. And Jack and I have been meaning to do a little guy bonding since the incident. Then he gets an idea. All guy card game. My house, Valentine's Day. Alan's semi excited about bowling. In cards, he'll feel like a man again. Cory thinks this is a runaway train. He reminds Topanga that he made dinner reservations a year in advance. Alan grabs his son. This will make his mother happy. And he needs his mother to Be happy. Happy. Cory complains that his grip is hurting his shoulder. Topanga promises Cory that this won't interfere with their plans, but he just tells her blather. Topanga assures him they will have a wonderful evening. After the shower is over, Cory grabs her pretty hard and whispers, I want insurance. She gives him her word, but he calmly states back, your word means nothing. When Topanga asks what he wants, he whispers, I want to throw the shower. That. This doesn't. This doesn't make any sense.

[Will Friedle]

I don't understand this. I thought he was going to say, I want to touch something, or I.

[Ryder Strong]

Want, you know, wear the special nightgown.

[Will Friedle]

Wear that thing you won't let me touch. Yeah, I don't get the. Yeah, I want to throw the shower.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga reminds him it's for women. He doesn't even belong there. Corey chuckles, I don't care. I belong with you. And I want my mother to have a joyous day and everybody out by noon. Amy tells her son that he doesn't have to do this, but Alan counters, oh, yes, he does. I want you fat and happy. He promises that that's just an expression.

[Ryder Strong]

It would have been so easy if it was, if the shower was Cory's idea to try and make up for how awful he was in the first half of the scene. And then he's, you know. Topanga says, why don't you think about somebody else? And then he's like, I'll throw the shower. And everybody's like, whoa, it's a woman thing. And he's like, no, no. You know, then it would. But instead, it's like he's still just digging in his same point.

[Will Friedle]

Is he doing it? Is he supposed to take over, to purposely make it as awful as possible so it ends as quickly as possible?

[Danielle Fishel]

That is what I think is happening. That's why I said, I want everyone out at noon.

[Ryder Strong]

Such a negative motivation. That's such an top of that unlikable thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

He could have. The whole thing is solved by him. By her saying, listen, we'll do a morning shower. I'll have the entire rest of the afternoon for you. He doesn't need to throw the shower for it to be over at noon, right?

[Will Friedle]

Also, who spends the entire Valentine's Day together? You go out to dinner, you have the night. Do you need.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, that's what, 13 hours?

[Ryder Strong]

Go out to dinner on Valentine's day, by the way.

[Danielle Fishel]

14Th, like Jensen and I do.

[Will Friedle]

Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga asks Corey what he knows about baby showers anyway, and Corey Laughs everything. What's not to know about baby showers? I am a baby shower machine. Amy gives her son a big hug and Topanga jokingly points a threatening finger in his face. Alan does the same, but Corey just smiles and points right back at him. Now alone, Eric asks his little brother, what do you really know about baby showers? Corey admits, never even heard of one. And then, then we're at the apartment. Jack and Rachel are making out on the couch. When Rachel pulls away. Boy, are they going at it.

[Will Friedle]

They are going at it.

[Ryder Strong]

That's all this scene is. Make out. Stop. Make out again.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's like literally the whole Rachel pulls away to remind him this is strictly platonic. Jack nods in agreement. We're just friends. Then they go back to making out while reiterating how good of friends they are. Rachel realizes they need to tell Eric about this and Jack agrees. In fact, he's the one who needs to tell him because he is Eric's best friend friend. Jack goes back to passionately kissing Rachel's neck, but she pulls away. They should stop until Eric knows Jack agrees with her. But then after a few seconds, she asks one more big one. And then they resume their makeout session.

[Will Friedle]

I have to say, because they're lying down on the couch, I would argue this is more intense than love and I making out in the hallway. Because we were standing up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So they're lying down, he's on top of her, they're really making out. He's then going for her neck. I would say this could be the most passionate one of the shows.

[Ryder Strong]

Show you were supposed to have just met and you're like, can I kiss you?

[Will Friedle]

I don't think I even asked. I think he just went in. But this is, I think for passion, like, wow, big makeout thing. I think this would be the, the, the biggest one we've had so far. Because they're like going at it on the couch.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, quite possibly. I would say it's at least right up there because love also had to talk while you were kissing her neck and she was like out of breath. It's very similar. But you're right that they are laying down and you guys were standing. But I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

Ours was also also a fantasy episode. Whereas this is supposed to be real life.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

So now we're at Amy's baby shower in the Matthews house. The women are gathered around the living room while Cory and Topanga shout at each other. Corey yells, I'm just trying to liven up the party. But Topanga explains, no one wants to play Guess the Weight of the Pregnant Lady. Corey doesn't get it, but there's prizes. Lady prizes. I went to the bra store. Angela admits this baby shower stinks. Topanga agrees it's because Corey thinks a baby shower is a bachelor party for pregnant lady ladies. Corey scoffs, this is about a blessed event, which I treat with deep respect. Then, on cue, there's a knock at the door. Corey smirks, uh oh, who could this be?

[Ryder Strong]

Chickens. Chickens in the hallway.

[Danielle Fishel]

He opens the door and robotically observes, oh, the pizza delivery man. I didn't order any pizza. Did you order any pizza? Let's see what he wants. The man seductively says. Says, I got a hot slice for Mrs. Matthews. Corey points to his mom and giggles. There she is. The pizza man stripper turns on his boombox and rips his jacket off. Amy shields Morgan's eyes and Topanga watches on in horror. Corey brags, it only cost 49 bucks. The man begins to strip and Topanga says, Amy looks humiliated, but Corey is too busy watching the male stripper to cancel there. Amy maneuvers her way to turn off the boombox and begs the stripper to stop. He admits this has never happened before and Amy tells him to get out but leave the Pizza.

[Will Friedle]

Did you see Lindsay?

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Lindsay was hysterical. So Betsy covers her eyes and as they cut back, Lindsay is as holding her hand up. So she's just like this. And she's just staring at the stripper as he's stripping.

[Ryder Strong]

It was.

[Will Friedle]

It was actually a very funny piece.

[Danielle Fishel]

Cute. His eyes widened. Lady, the last thing you need is a pizza. As he leaves, Amy tells everyone the party's over. She half heartedly thanks her son. She just needs to be by herself. Corey happily waves goodbye to everyone and then turns his attention to Topanga and tells her to get on her Valentine's Day clothes. But Topanga shakes her head. I'm not going out. All I wanted to do was something nice for your family. Corey asks why? And she reminds him, because they're going to be my family, too sometimes. Someday. Corey nods. They're going to be your family too, someday. And you want to know why me? You want to get to them. You go through me. That gets a laugh.

[Will Friedle]

Awful.

[Ryder Strong]

And also, like now, Topanga's motivated by something that we haven't heard about before.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, well, Topanga made a deal about them being her family in the. In the. When we were talking about running away and eloping. Like, sure, they're gonna be my family too. And, you know, I mean, that does. That doesn't really. None of that surprises me that that's what Topanga feels like. It. It. What's weird is that it feels like Topanga would have always wanted to do this. Like, before they were engaged. Topanga would have also wanted to make them feel special. But I guess it's just adding that other layer on top of it. So. Okay. He starts to rant about Topanga's behavior, and she simply walks upstairs. She stops halfway up the stairs to tell him. Sometimes plans change. Corey, the crowd. Ooh. And Morgan opens the door telling the screw up to take a hike. Like, Corey obliges. Do you guys think some. That last. Sometimes plans change. Corey from Topanga is insinuating that even their engagement could change.

[Will Friedle]

It got an ooh. Which. So that might be what they.

[Danielle Fishel]

The audience wasn't just talking about Valentine's Day.

[Will Friedle]

Like, if you continue to be a dick, I'm gonna leave.

[Ryder Strong]

But she would just think it's pure thematic talk. It's just like setting up.

[Danielle Fishel]

The baby's gonna.

[Ryder Strong]

The baby's gonna happen. And. And we're gonna have to change our plans.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

We're back at the apartment. Eric's getting everything set up for the card game, and he tells Jack this is gonna Be so great, you and me hanging out together like we used to. Just like old times. Before the incident. Jack gives him a half smile. I don't want to bring you down before the party. And this is something that's a little hard for me to talk about. Eric feels bad. Oh, man, I am so insensitive. Here you are, still grieving the loss of your father, and I'm throwing a party. Party. Let's forget about the party and go to the cemetery. Jack assures him that's not it. Eric guesses. Oh, I know what it is. She's not that good a kisser. Jack admits, no, she's a good kisser. Eric wonders, you don't feel comfortable around her. You don't like girls. Eric says he kind of thought that was the case. But Jack assures him neither of those things are true. Then he finally admits that he likes Rachel. Eric asks, well, then, what do you want to say to me? But on cue, there's a knock at the door. Door. It's Feeny and Alan. Feeny seems more overjoyed than usual. What is more delightful than Philadelphia in February? Allen scornfully responds, nine months is too damn long. Feeny continues with his toxic positivity. He pulls Eric in for a hug and thanks him for the invite. He proclaims he loves Eric like a son. Eric is freaked out. What's wrong with Fanny? Allen responds, on the way over, he said, I look spitting spiffy. But Feeny doubles down. You look spiffy, he admits. I don't know what's come over me. I woke up smiling, laughing, humming little tunes. It's very disconcerting. Eric watches on in horror. That is not his. Feeny? Jack asks, can't you see the man's in love? Eric doesn't get it. And just as Jack is about to calmly explain, Eric cuts him off. Hey, Feeny, you got that love thing?

[Will Friedle]

Feeny responds, tell me you saw the lobby lobster this time.

[Ryder Strong]

No. Where is it? Are you kidding?

[Will Friedle]

It's hanging on the fridge. It's like right over our shoulders as we're talking. It's like, right. It's like a three shot, for God's sakes. I can't believe someday you're gonna see the lobster. I was like, I'm not even gonna bring it up because of course they saw it this time. It's like she's not even hiding it anymore.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, you gotta keep bringing it up.

[Danielle Fishel]

I've been watching it on my phone. Maybe that's part of the problem, is that I'M watching it on a smaller screen. I haven't been watching it on tv. So Feeny responds, no. You think that's it? It? No. That emotion. I haven't been familiar with it for so long that I couldn't possibly. He breaks out into hysterical laughter and admits, I think I'm crazy. Eric puts his hands on his hips and we get him.

[Ryder Strong]

He's so damn good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like so good.

[Will Friedle]

He's amazing.

[Ryder Strong]

This is a really ridiculous scene, right? I mean this is a ridiculous thing to have to play and yet I totally believe it. And it was fun to watch because he's just so committed and he's working.

[Will Friedle]

On a different level also. He's just so good.

[Ryder Strong]

It's just want to watch him do anything. It's amazing. Amazing.

[Danielle Fishel]

So good.

[Will Friedle]

Never seen him not commit to a beat ever. No matter what the beat is, he's gonna. He's gonna hit the wall 100 miles.

[Ryder Strong]

An hour, face down with scissors in his back. He'll do it.

[Will Friedle]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

Yep. God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric puts his hands on his hips and we get a fe call. Fe in love with who? Feeny turns away, but Eric immediately guesses it. Feeny and the Dean. That's why she won't go out with me. She likes you. Stop fighting. Jack asks if this is true and Feeny denies it. No. Although I have to admit that I do find the woman. He hums the tune again and joyfully pats Allen. Feeny questions Jack, you think I'm in love? Jack nervously responds as he looks at Eric. Uh, well, sometimes two people are drawn to each other for reasons even they don't understand. But love is a sacred thing and your best friend should try to understand. He's clearly talking about Rachel. Rachel, not the dean. And just then, Corey bursts through the door. I am never throwing a baby shower for those broads again? Alan asks. It didn't go well. Corey angrily explains, no. I go to all this trouble to find this great looking duck guy to strip for Mommy and they're angry at me.

[Will Friedle]

Can you believe that?

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. Strip for Mommy's funny.

[Will Friedle]

Strip for Mommy.

[Danielle Fishel]

To his surprise, the men are disturbed. Alan stares at his son in disbelief and Corey says, there's a face. And then we're back at the Matthews house. Rachel, Angela, and Topanga join Amy and Morgan on the couch. Rachel offers Amy a cheese poofy, but Amy says they'll just make her fatter and she happily eats them anyway. Topanga suggests Amy open her presents. Amy sighs. Corey probably gave me a moo moo. Amy unwraps a red silk slip and gasps with admiration. Topanga tells her it's for after the baby's born. Something special for mom. Mommy. Angela corrects her. More like for daddy. Rachel agrees. That is very sexy, Mrs. Matthews. Amy admits she can't believe she'll ever fit into something like that again. Topanga insists, you're gonna be so sexy. Mr. Matthews is going to get you pregnant all over again.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know why any of this needs to be going on.

[Ryder Strong]

This is the baby shower that's going on after the baby shower.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. This is what I guess the baby shower was supposed to be.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. Baby shower after dark, bro.

[Ryder Strong]

Why is Angela. Was Angela in the last baby shower?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, she.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, she said. She said the line. This baby shower stinks.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

And it was very. It was jarring. But I got that there was supposed to be a. A time lapse, but they cut right from Rachel and Jack on the couch making out to then Rachel standing in the back of the party like the next scene was. And it was like, oh, she's there. Oh, she's there.

[Ryder Strong]

She's there teleporting.

[Will Friedle]

So. But now they're. Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, because it's next day.

[Ryder Strong]

It is the next.

[Will Friedle]

Right. That's what I mean. But it was. It was just jarring because there was. I got. There was a. Of time, but it was like, oh, she was just in the apartment.

[Danielle Fishel]

Amy counters, I hope not. Morgan warns her mom she probably won't like her gift. Just as Amy unwraps a yellow baby sweater. It's the sweater she wore when they brought Morgan home from the hospital. Amy.

[Will Friedle]

Was she 4 when they brought her home? I'm just curious, because the sweater was enormous.

[Ryder Strong]

Gigantic.

[Will Friedle]

We. We just had our grandson who. They're these tiny, tiny little things. Like, the diapers are this big.

[Ryder Strong]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

So when she's like, I got my sweater from when you brought me home. I was like, wait, what? What?

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. She looks like a swe. Could have worn last year.

[Will Friedle]

It was.

[Danielle Fishel]

No. It's so funny. I know. I just saw in Adler's little drawer where I keep some of his, like, the only couple little baby items. He held up his. The little. My favorite baby onesie of his. And he was like, what's this? And I said, you used to wear that. It's like this big for adult. Seriously, believe it. Don't. Let's not get Ryder talking about it. Ryder's got baby fever.

[Will Friedle]

He does.

[Ryder Strong]

I do.

[Danielle Fishel]

Amy smiles. I remember. Why are you giving this up? Morgan explains, it's a baby sweater. I'm not the baby anymore. But Amy insists, you will always be my baby. Morgan replies, thanks, mom, but I'm old enough to know that I won't. Amy promises her now, I'm sorry.

[Will Friedle]

At this moment, I wanted to go back and rewrite the entire episode and do the whole thing from Morgan's point of view.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, me too, man. That's what I was saying. It's like it's a Boy Meets World episode and it's an opportunity to have Morgan be forgotten and neglected and like.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just like a season one all over again. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And having literally somehow sympathetic to her because he's finally, like, someone gets it. Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Someone. I would have started with her on a park bench.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

All by herself, looking around, waiting to be picked up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Valentine's Day episode.

[Ryder Strong]

It would be about trying to save his sister from going through what he went through.

[Will Friedle]

And it could have been hysterical and it would have been incredible and kept the B story exactly the way the B story is. The whole Jack and Eric thing. But it's about the forgotten kid again. And now she's a forgotten kid. And it would have been such a good episode. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Really, really smart. Amy promises her daughter that for the next six weeks until the baby comes, she and Morgan will be inseparable. But then Amy gasps and holds her belly. She shakily says, whoa. And then quick cut back to the apartment. Jack, Feeny and Eric are playing cards while Corey complains to his dad, this day was important to me. Topanga knew that. Allan reminds him it was a very important day for his mother, too. But Corey argues it didn't have to be today. Topanga said, sometimes things come up, but what can came up? His mom will still be pregnant tomorrow, but this was their first engaged Valentine's Day. Allan says Amy needed this, but Corey rebukes, I needed to be with Topanga on Valentine's Day. I needed to make up for last year. Allan calls Corey selfish, but Corey rhetorically asks, I'm being selfish because I wanted to spend the one day you're supposed to spend with your girlfriend with my girlfriend.

[Will Friedle]

See her on Tuesday. How hard is that?

[Danielle Fishel]

Alan says they spend every day together. Corey asks, what are you saying? Then the phone rings. Eric goes to pick it up while Alan and Corey continue to argue. Alan fights back. I'm saying that you can be in love with somebody, but the world still goes on around you. Topanga knows that you don't. Feeny deadpans to Jack, this is a lovely party. Eric Says it's Topanga on the line. Corey boasts, oh, and now she can't be without me. I'm right. You're wrong.

[Ryder Strong]

Ha.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric clarifies for dad. He hands the phone to Allen, who repeats, ha. Right back at his son. We get some real rusty facting here. As he asks, the water broke. What does that mean? Eric butts in. Oh, dude, that means, like, whoosh. Ignoring.

[Will Friedle]

That means she passed Ramuka's plug. We've talked about this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Will. And his expert. Expert on pregnancy. I love it so much. Ignoring his son, Alan returns to Topanga. The baby isn't due for another six weeks. Can't they put the water back in? Put some new water in. Topanga says something and Allan responds, oh, well, that's that. Then he thanks Topanga and hangs up. Everyone in the room sits in anticipation. Allan simply states, well, we're having a baby, and walks toward the door. But then, just as he gets to the exit, he screams, baby time. And everyone runs out. Then we're at the hospital. Allen runs up to the nearest nurse. I'm having a baby. I need my wife. Thankfully, the girls are in the waiting room, and Topanga overhears him. She explains that Amy is getting prepped for her C section and leads him toward the operating room. He starts to ask another question, but she beats him to the punch. They already paged the doctor, and Amy's waiting. Topanga happily adds, hang in there, dad. Allen's caught off guard. Dad. I like you calling me dad. Keep it up. Topanga grins to herself.

[Will Friedle]

A couple things. First, we ju. I love that Topanga is taking charge. I think that's really cool. But we just did an episode where Rusty took charge and showed how. How calm, cool, and collected he was with all baby stuff.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, right.

[Will Friedle]

Literally was. The whole storyline was him, like, trying, and then he's like. When it comes, he's like, no, we're gonna do this. We're gonna do that. So interesting. I also, when. I don't know if it was your reading of dad or the way it was written, but I didn't get that you were calling him Dad.

[Danielle Fishel]

I wasn't. I wasn't. I'm just saying, like, dad because he's.

[Will Friedle]

About to have the dad.

[Danielle Fishel]

But when it came out of my mouth and it's.

[Will Friedle]

He liked it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, he just liked it. And he was like, you can keep calling me dad if you want.

[Will Friedle]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Because it wasn't that. I wasn't supposed to be saying, like, because you're going to be My dad. It was the dad in the situation.

[Will Friedle]

That's okay. Good. So then I read it, right, okay. Because I was like, is she calling him Dad? I don't think she's calling him dad. Okay, gotcha.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga grins to herself and then turns to find Corey behind her. He asks, took care of everything, huh? Topanga nods. Both of his parents are okay. So that's everything that matters. Matters? Corey calmly responds, yeah, that's everything that matters. Topanga asks, what's wrong? And Corey admits, nothing. I mean, can't we at least go get a cup of coffee together or something? Topanga is shocked that in this moment, he's still only thinking about the two of them. Cory unapologetically says, yeah. Meanwhile, Rachel and Jack stand behind Eric, cooing at the newborn babies in their little nursery beds. She asks Jack if he's told Eric yet. Jack admits, sort of of. I'm not sure he gets it. Rachel doesn't understand. Then we see Eric with his mouth pressed against the glass, saying, goo to the babies inside.

[Ryder Strong]

Do funny stuff. Just like. Well, do something funny, Will. Here's a. Here's a window. Go.

[Will Friedle]

I'm pretty good at window acting.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah? Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Wacking wa. I'm pretty good at wacking, if I'm honest.

[Danielle Fishel]

It could be. Yeah, it'd have to be whacking.

[Ryder Strong]

Wacky wacking. Wacky Wackton.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wacking.

[Will Friedle]

Sounds a little sexual.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Ryder Strong]

I was facting. Really? I mean, I guess that's true, too.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So is swapping, you guys.

[Ryder Strong]

We were all night, man. It was.

[Will Friedle]

Facted the hell out of her.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, dude, you haven't lived till you fact it. Seriously.

[Will Friedle]

And on the nights I can't factor because she's not around, I'm whacking.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, my God. We see Eric with his mouth pressed against the glass, saying, goo, goo to the babies inside. Rachel realizes there is a possibility. He doesn't get it. Jack sighs. He can't do it. But Rachel says that isn't really an option. Jack questions if it's really worth breaking up a friendship over, since it was only one kiss. What? What are they talking about? It was only one kid. What are they even talking about? But then there was a second kiss and some hugging as he explains the evolution. They're starting to get closer until Jack finally tells her to come back here. But Rachel quickly snaps out of it. They can't do this here. Rachel comes to the realization that maybe she should be the one to tell Eric. And so Rachel approaches Eric and asks what he's doing. He explains that he's getting to know the neighbors. He points to an empty bassinet and says that's where the new baby Matthews is going to go. Then Eric introduces all the other babies to his other best friend Rachel, who is spending this most joyous day with him. He admits that he's really just glad that her and Jack are there to spend this day with him. Then he turns back to the babies and asks them, how great are my friends, huh? Oh, and one more thing. I think they're in love with each other. Rachel and Jack stare at him in shock while Eric just knowingly smiles.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't get it. Like what is. It's a resolution that it was never a problem. I just. It's not the incident. So it is like it is a problem.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, he's moving out.

[Will Friedle]

I guess they're trying to make it so. Eric is actually very aware of what's going on around him. Even though he's a kind of, you know, he's starting to get dumber and everything.

[Danielle Fishel]

Whole episode he pretended he didn't have.

[Will Friedle]

The moment of him finding out that they are still hooking up behind his back. I mean that's. That's the moment you want. Is that oh my God, you betrayed me. And is it really betrayal if you are in love with somebody and how do you deny feeling? There's so much to mind there. And they're just like no, Eric knows. Really, he does.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then you deliver it to a room full of beds between glass toward.

[Will Friedle]

Camera and not well. It's. My acting isn't good in this scene at all. It's like I turn around like I know what you're talking about.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's not that your acting isn't good, it's that. It's that the dramatic beat of it landing doesn't land. Cuz it's not good that the acting's not good either.

[Will Friedle]

The second I turn away from the window and I'm no longer whacking, I'm just acting. It's not great. So yeah, no, you're better wacked her. I've had more practice. Yeah, no it's. Yeah. This whole scene was just strange to me.

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Unknown]

Ooh, I love him.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I can't wait to sunbathe on the private island.

[Unknown]

And the kids will be fine.

[Ryder Strong]

Girl, they're good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly. While they hang in the kids club.

[Unknown]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

Details.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, we're in the delivery room. Amy's all prepped for her C section when Allan walks in wearing his hairnet and gown. He kisses Amy and squeezes her hand before walking over to her lower half. The doctor reminds him, this one's a C section. You go up there. He asks the doctor and nurse if there's anything he can do, and the doctor says, when you faint, faint that way, and motions away from her. Allen asks why she anticipates him. Face painting.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, I. I have a birth question.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Seven and a half months is. It's. It's early, but it's not dangerously early.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's pretty dangerous.

[Will Friedle]

It is. Then why is nobody really mentioned. I mean, they mentioned they're all like, we're having a baby, but nobody's really bringing up that. That the kid is really premature. Right? I mean, how is this not mentioned?

[Danielle Fishel]

It should be. And I. And I do think they tried to get it across a little bit when he. When in the last scene where he finds out that the water broke, and he's like, well, could they put more water in? Because it is a very disorient. You're like, well, this seems like an emergency, right? But I don't want the birth of my child to be an emergency. So can. How do we fix this? Like, and then when he's like, oh, well, that's that then. And then he says, we're having a baby. And every. Like, I. They tried to get it across like, this is not. This is early, which means something might be wrong.

[Ryder Strong]

But why not just say that?

[Danielle Fishel]

I know, why not just say.

[Ryder Strong]

And even with the C section, like, I'm assuming the reason they're having a C section is because it's early. Why not just say that now? I think they wanted to save it as a dramatic reveal at the last time.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, I'll say though, the C section because it's early, because her water broke. So she was probably sometime in the near having contractions. She could have naturally delivered. Not vaginally delivered. I don't wanna say naturally. Cause giving birth would. However you give birth is natural. But vaginally delivered. Unless maybe she had a C section before. In which case, but especially 30 years ago, it wasn't as popular to have a vaginal birth after you've already had a C section.

[Ryder Strong]

Maybe they just didn't want to get into the weeds of everything that we just got into.

[Danielle Fishel]

Maybe. But my point, like, My point is to. To Will. Like, it is odd.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

If. If the idea that she's having a C section is because it's an emergency, you would have assumed someone would have said, wait, why a C section?

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, that's just.

[Ryder Strong]

We know what it should have been is that like Corey brings it up. Like Corey says, this is too early. And then everyone's like, turns on him. Like, don't be a downer. Don't. You know, like, because you're Corey, you're.

[Will Friedle]

Thinking the wrong take control. Which was a fine scene. It's the doctor that meets him there and goes. And he's like, doc, this is early. And he's like. She's like, look, it should be fine. It's early. We're gonna do a csat. I mean, it could have been more dramatic that way. And then you could still have the turn of like, the heartbeat isn't. I mean, whatever.

[Danielle Fishel]

I think the whole reason they didn't do any of that is they wanted it to just be a total surprise.

[Ryder Strong]

Big slam at the end.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

But it can't be a surprise one.

[Danielle Fishel]

Way or the other because there is. There is a little bit of a feeling of like, the water broke weird. Instead of what, we're having a baby and everyone just pretending it's all joyous.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was strange. It was. They just kind of mulled by it. Like, oh, seven and a half months, let's go have a kid. Like that doesn't seem like one character.

[Ryder Strong]

Bring it up. And everyone else be like, well, let's not worry about that now. Let's just, you know, just have. Yeah, just get it out.

[Danielle Fishel]

Allan asks why she anticipates him fainting, and she responds, because you're going to look over the drape while I'm making the incision, even though I advise you not to. Sure enough, that's exactly what he does. He admits, that's going to be a tough image to get rid of. Back in the hospital waiting room, Feeny is walking through the halls with a big smile on his face. What a glorious experience. He asks Morgan if she's very excited about this new baby, and she smiles back, I guess, then forcefully pops a balloon with a pencil and walks away. Rachel, Jack and Eric are sitting together. When Jack asks what they should do. Eric asks, do you guys want me to move out or. Rachel quickly answers, no, we don't want want that. This is really new to us, and it's not like Jack and I are ready to live together. Eric laughs, you do live together. Jack clarifies that they don't want anything to change, and Rachel agrees. But Eric states the obvious. You're kidding yourselves. It has changed. It will never be the same again. I'm gonna move out. And I did not get the fact that you were trying to say, like, this is all totally fine. I was like, whoa, this was a good scene.

[Will Friedle]

This was actually, I thought, much better than the window scene, frankly.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, yeah, See, for me, I just don't.

[Will Friedle]

I kind of read it as, like.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't feel that much tension. I'm just like, no, that's what I mean. Yeah, just move out, dude. It's not that big of a deal. You know, the, like, the fact that it's like, going to be the loss of something, like the loss of a friendship. I just don't feel that bad. I'm like, great, they're in love. Eric's moving out. Like, what is the problem? Like, I don't like.

[Will Friedle]

Well, yeah, the problem should have been the betrayal, which they glossed over because Eric was like, I think you're in love with each other. And it's like, why? Why do that?

[Ryder Strong]

Eric was like, no, no, I' fine, I'm moving out and I'm never going to talk to you, either of you, again. Then I'd be like, oh, oh, God, this is going to linger into the next episode. But as it is, he's like, no, it's fine. I'm going to move out. And I'm like, yeah, that's probably what you should do.

[Will Friedle]

I think this is where we end up in bed together. Danielle.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, God.

[Will Friedle]

I think the next episode, it's either the next episode where you just get into your dorm room bed and sit down.

[Danielle Fishel]

I need to take care of Corey's family. They're going to be my family too. I've thought about anything. However I can help you guys. Nice.

[Will Friedle]

Nice. Excellent. No red flags.

[Danielle Fishel]

No red flags at all. I don't know. I really did pick up on tension. I apparently am the only one I picked up on tension coming from Eric. And obviously Jack and Rachel are not happy about that either, but I didn't either.

[Will Friedle]

I was like, Ryder. I felt like it was just kind of like, no, I'm moving out. We're good. Like, I'll see ya.

[Ryder Strong]

There's this tendency that Boy Meets World has often and definitely in Girl Meets World to. To do the obvious storyline, like to do the thing, but then to write against it, like to pull back in the dialogue. And I feel like the obvious storyline is that there's conflict and tension and revealed to Eric and dramatic turn and they just like kind of twist it, you know, and so it's like he already knew.

[Danielle Fishel]

And it's like, sing.

[Ryder Strong]

But it's like, but you also took away the whole point of the story. So it happens often where I'm like, we're writing against the actual conflict. We're writing away from it to be more clever or to be smarter or to be above the conflict in a way. And sometimes it really works. Works like sometimes it's, you know, it creates a paradoxical like, oh, the story's going one way, but the characters are aware of it. But other times like this, I feel like it just completely deflates the whole thing and it's like it's not a story anymore.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, agreed.

[Danielle Fishel]

We're in the delivery room. The doctor preps Amy for the next step. And then real quick, after we hear a crying baby, Alan excitedly tells her it's a boy. The nurses have him cut the cord. Then they take the baby away to be bathed so Amy can hold him. Allan looks at their new son and says, he's perfect, just like his mother. Then the nurse informs the doctor that the baby is breathing is irregular. They quickly remove the baby from Allan's arms to take him to the icu. Allan tries to tell them there's nothing wrong with him. And Amy nervously asks if he's going to be okay. The doctor assures them it's just a precaution. They're taking him to the neonatal icu. Amy nervously asks intensive care. Allan tries to be reassuring. He's going to be okay. He's in good hands, he suggests Amy try to decide on a name while he chases after their baby. Felt a little. Felt a little triggered watching. Yeah. Not like. Not massively. Didn't have a C section. But I delivered in. In with a triage in the room. We had a bunch of nurses. There was a helicopter on the roof.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my.

[Danielle Fishel]

Because they didn't know if Adler was gonna be breathing at all. And he needed to be rushed to Children's Hospital. And. And they said, so we don't know if you'll get to do any tummy time. We don't know if we may have to immediately take him to the helicopter. And then he came out, and he was breathing, which was great. And I got to hold him for, like, about 30 seconds, maybe as much as a minute. And then they had to take him to the nicu. And it was exactly the same thing. It was like, okay, bye, Jensen. Kiss me goodbye. And ran after Adler in the little thing.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then, you know, you're just.

[Will Friedle]

So. Wait, was Adler. Was he premature by a lot?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, he was four weeks old. My water broke at 35.5. So just over four weeks.

[Will Friedle]

And it's supposed to be 40.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's supposed to be 40 weeks, exactly.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so if there was all. I mean, also, then it wasn't just that he was preemie. It was that then when I went in, when my water broke and they did an ultrasound, when I got to the hospital, they realized there was fluid around his lungs.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so they knew there was a problem and that he may not breathe, but, like, the human body is. It's just amazing. Like, when I delivered at toddler, my doctor said to me when he was crowning, hold him there. Don't push. Don't push anymore. Which you're in. All of your body is telling you, yeah, push, push, push. And she said, don't. Your contractions are squeezing his chest and will help expel some of the fluid.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my God. So it's like you're doing compressions, your vagina. Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes. So strong. Like the strongest Kegels you could possibly imagine. And, yeah, so she had me hold him there for as long as I could physically stand it.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God. That must have been so much work.

[Danielle Fishel]

Squeeze out as much of the fluid from his lungs as possible. God.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

I had a really bad cold last month, so. Very similar. Very similar to what you went through. Men and women, we go through the same stuff all the time.

[Danielle Fishel]

But Adler, I don't know how much of it was because of that or whatever. But Adler was born with Kylo thorax and never needed to be. Be tapped. So usually when a baby has Kylothorax, they have to jam a needle through their chest and drain all of the fluid. And then they have like a scar. They have like a, you know, a. An area where you can tell that there was a port or of some kind to get the fluid out. And Adler never needed to be tapped it eventually, like, we got rid of it on its own over the next six months. But anyway, yes, watching. Watching a bird birth where the baby comes out and is crying and then there's complications and the baby has to be taken away and there's that feeling. And, you know, we were then the hospital where I delivered Adler, we were there for 12 days, and then we did via ambulance eventually have to go to children's hospital. He wasn't getting better there, and so we did have to take an ambulance ride.

[Ryder Strong]

That's the thing about birth, man. It's just like such a razor's edge, right? It's like everything could just be totally.

[Danielle Fishel]

Normal and it's like so natural. And on the other hand, is still a medical emergency.

[Ryder Strong]

Life or death. It's like life or death right there. Just. Yeah, and it's.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

It's really. It's really a strange. Yeah. God.

[Danielle Fishel]

So we're in the hospital waiting room. Corey and Topanga are sitting next to each other, and Corey lets out a dramatic sigh. When it doesn't get her attention, he repeats it and Topanga rolls her eyes. Corey, you transparent. If you sigh one more time, I'm going to give you something to sigh about. Corey responds, not for one minute on this nationally recognized day of love did I not think about you and want to be with you.

[Will Friedle]

I never in my life wanted for.

[Danielle Fishel]

A very important reason.

[Will Friedle]

I just wanted a button that you could press that a hand just comes in and punches him in the face. It's just the worst Corey ever. Oh, awful.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. Topanga emphasizes that they are here for a very important reason. And believe it or not, there are other things in this world more important than them. Corey argues, I don't believe. Believe it. That's why we're getting married, because there is nothing more important than us. And just then, Allan walks into the waiting room, wiping tears from his face and exposing a boom mic above him. He, Shapely tells them, I only gotta hold him for a second. He's not. He's not breathing on his own. They've got him on A respirator. Allen looks at his kids and starts to cry. He's just so small, so helpless. I don't know how I'm gonna tell your mother. He sighs before leaving them to go back to Amy.

[Ryder Strong]

She's in a Boy Meets World. Think about this is the second time we've had hospital waiting room drama. Somebody coming in crying and walking. Oh my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it's just so.

[Will Friedle]

It's a lot.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's a lot.

[Ryder Strong]

Boy Meets World.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then we end in the hospital room. Amy's in bed reading a book on baby names. Alan enters and she admits she can't decide between Joshua or Daniel, two of Michael Jacobs kids names.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. I have another, I have another birth question. I have another birth question. After you've had a C section and everything going on, would you be that alert where you're sitting up in bed and reading a book like, I wonder what we're gonna. I mean, it seems like they just took the kid away. Wouldn't she still be kind of like really out of it and there'd still be people around and she's just kind of like lying in bed like reading.

[Danielle Fishel]

A book, like, hey, I know it's probably been a couple hours at this point and I don't know because I didn't have a C section. So I don't, I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

But she doesn't yet know that the kid, that there was any problem with the kid. So would it be hours later? I mean, wouldn't they have told her kind of instantly that something's wrong with.

[Danielle Fishel]

The babies and doctors would be coming in to check on her and she would have asked them. So yeah, you're right. It's probably not hours. I don't really know, to be honest. I have absolutely no idea what kind of recovery you have after a C section. So I don't know.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, you actually probably aren't in any pain because you know, you don't feel anything below your waist, but you would still be like hooked up probably to a lot of stuff and being constantly. Yeah. And probably out of it, right?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Tired.

[Ryder Strong]

Tired.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

When she realizes Alan has come back empty handed, she worries, hurriedly asks, where's the baby? Alan grabs her hand and kisses it. She stares at him for an answer. Not a romp.

[Will Friedle]

No, not a romp at all. Rompless. A romp episode. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Not a romper.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, man, I got a baby. Got a log next week.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh boy. Baby.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, it's my monologue to baby Joshua. Yeah, I, I come back just in time to to give them the rousing monster.

[Will Friedle]

What do you what does Sean have to do with the kid where he bring him?

[Ryder Strong]

I tell him that this family is important and that these are good people and that he should come back from the dead.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, at least your prayers work for somebody. Didn't work for Mr. Turner, but saves baby.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Seriously. 50% batting a batting 500.

[Danielle Fishel]

So our next episode will be season six, episode 17, resurrection.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow. Literally back from the dead.

[Danielle Fishel]

Aired February 19, 1990 thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails. Pod meets worldshowmail.com and we've got merch.

[Will Friedle]

She passed the mucus plug. She's fully effaced. Merch.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

We love you all. Pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, Wilfred L and Radio Rider Strong executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara Sugbash, producer Matty Moore, engineer and boy Meets World superman Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram @podmeats World show or email us at podmeatsworldshowmail.com.

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[Danielle Fishel]

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