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Danielle Fishel
Welcome back to an episode where we can't stop talking. This is part two. Enjoy. Then we flip to the Matthews living room. Cory and Topanga are prepping Alan and Amy. You guys are going to be so proud of us because I went into the world, I did my homework, and I made it happen. I. I made it happen. Allen is suspicious. What'd you do? Topanga vouches, no, it's good. I didn't think it was good at first, but it is. She urges Corey to show them a document he pulls out of his pocket. All we need are your signatures and we'll have our dream home. Corey gleefully adds with nook, okay. He hands the contract over to his parents. As soon as you sign this, we are completely on our own. Amy asks what this is, and Allan explains, this is a loan application for an $80,000 house. Amy comments, I don't like it when you call him an idiot. But Alan didn't call him anything. So Amy admits, oh, I must have thought it in my head. Good line. Yeah, it is very funny. Corey butts in and nervously asks, what's going on? Allan tells him, you want us to sign your $80,000 mortgage so that when you don't pay it. Corey interjects, we're gonna pay it. But Allan continues his spiel, then they can come and take our house. Is that what you want us to sign, Corey? Amy reiterates, do you realize how ridiculous you are? Corey doesn't get it. So Amy, the one time real estate agent, or maybe a still active real estate agent, paints it out for him. You can't buy a house before you have a job. Allen breaks it down. You get a job, save for A down payment, then buy the house. Corey argues. No, dad, it's going to take us forever to raise that kind of money. Nuh. We just heard it was only a week.
Ryder Strong
Cory and Topanga don't have jobs though, do they?
Danielle Fishel
I know. Why don't they have jobs?
Ryder Strong
Because they're in school, they're in college.
Danielle Fishel
Sure, but don't most college kids have jobs?
Ryder Strong
Not most, but I don't think most. I would say. Maybe.
Danielle Fishel
Really?
Wilfred L
You did?
Ryder Strong
Yeah, but I just think. I think a lot of people dedicate those that time.
Wilfred L
Just.
Ryder Strong
I mean, if you can afford it. Right. You don't. I mean, I don't know.
Wilfred L
Well, they set it up. So they've said several times during the episode. Not just for Corey and Topanga, but also for Sean and Angela. People are quote unquote helping them or helping to pay.
Ryder Strong
Right.
Wilfred L
Are Corey and Topanga asking Alan and Amy to co sign while also helping to pay for Corey and Eric in college. So they have two kids in college?
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Wilfred L
A baby.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. I mean, unless they have loans, unless they have student loans or scholarships or grants that we don't know about.
Ryder Strong
Right.
Danielle Fishel
It appears as though the Matthews are paying well. At least Eric has a job. He's working at the student union. He's doing something Corey is not. And Topanga, who knows what her family's financial situation is. It seems as though her daddy was rich, but maybe they're on their own now.
Ryder Strong
It's interesting. They never.
Wilfred L
They don't. And you have to imagine he still has the Wilderness Store.
Danielle Fishel
I mean, also, Topanga and Angela worked at a Mexican restaurant in high school and now in college, don't work.
Ryder Strong
I mean, it seems like Topanga would definitely have a job. Right.
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Ryder Strong
She would be like already interning somewhere at least.
Danielle Fishel
Yes.
Ryder Strong
Or. Yeah. She's not the type of person that wouldn't be.
Wilfred L
But her father. Fathers are luthier bankers.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah, exactly.
Wilfred L
Can be very lucrative.
Ryder Strong
You know, once you asked me, Danielle, I realized, like, yeah, everybody I know had a job in college.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Ryder Strong
My wife worked through college. All of my friends had job. Yeah, they definitely all had jobs.
Danielle Fishel
I don't even think it's about needing it, per se. I think it's about wanting it. It's. It is you. I can see in high school parents saying it would be. I know you're allowed to start working at 16, but it would be my preference that you. Not so that you can really focus on your SATs and that you can, you know, but by the time you get to college, that's really a time to like, figure out what it feels like to live in the world. Not just like, I have no other responsibilities and all I have to do is focus on my tests. It's like.
Ryder Strong
Well, it really depends. I mean, there are some programs that are so.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Ryder Strong
You know, like if you're a pre med. If you're like, you don't have time. You literally are working so hard just to, you know, get all your units in four years or whatever.
Danielle Fishel
Yes.
Ryder Strong
So I don't know.
Danielle Fishel
Well. Topanga steps in. Dad, I'm calling you dad. She takes a seat next to her in laws. The house that we're in right now is very bad. We would have invited you there, except it's very bad. Allan shakes his head. I'm sorry that it's very bad. Amy agrees. We know this isn't easy for you. Corey emotionally pleads with them. Look, we're dying in that place. Why do you keep shutting us down? Alan responds calmly, Corey, my son, whom I love, figure it out. Corey fires back, you think I'm gonna figure out what kind of father wants his kids to have a bad time? I'm never gonna figure that out. Never. Cory tells Topanga he doesn't even know why they came here. And then walks out. Topanga's choked up and agrees. She tells Amy and Alan, I don't understand this either. And walks out as sad piano music plays.
Ryder Strong
It was sad. It was sad.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. Now alone, Amy turns to Alan. I hate this. He puts his arm around her and kisses her forehead. I know.
Ryder Strong
I. I think they should have signed a loan for them.
Danielle Fishel
You do? Yes.
Wilfred L
I don't.
Ryder Strong
I think, you know, I think. I think the point. The point is, are you showing responsibility and taking on more responsibility? And I feel like when Corey shows up and says, I have a plan, we're going to be able to pay this off. That. That is going to your parents and saying, look, I'm trying to. I need to. I want to take the next step in life. And I'm like, I think that if
Wilfred L
your kid is that responsible, you're risking ever. Because if they do default on the loan, they come after you and your house.
Danielle Fishel
And if they go, we don't have the money to. To easily cover it.
Ryder Strong
Evaluate your kid. Right. Which in this case, evaluate Corey and Topanga. I think I would take that bet that they're going to be responsible. Like, Corey's not a troublemaker. He's not a. He's lazy guy. Like, what, have a job? You said yourself I'm imagining that they have a job. Because in my mind Topanga definitely has a job and like I could or you know, a plan, like, I just don't. I just believe that they're like.
Danielle Fishel
But they set it up in this scene. First you get a job, then you get a house, right? If, if this were my real life scenario and I were going to my parents, yes, my dad absolutely would have co signed on a loan for me. And by the way, did I think because I, when I bought my, when I bought my first house, I had no real credit history. And, and it's weird when you buy a place and you're an actor and they want like three years of your last pay stubs and it's like, well, two years ago I made a ton of money and now the last two years I've made zero money. Like my dad did co sign on a place for me, but my dad would have wanted to see if I were Cory and Topanga, what job did you have? Can I see your pay stubs? How much are you making? How long have you had this job? Are there any pitfalls you see? Is there a reason you think you might get fired or that you might not want to keep this job? My dad would want to see a very well thought out, for lack of better term business plan.
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And then we're in Cory and Topanga's apartment. Angela inspects their rusty oven and tells Topanga, it's nice. She responds loudly, Lia, Angela admits, when you said stinkhole, I really didn't think it was a stinkhole. But it is. It is a stinkhole, isn't it?
Wilfred L
I didn't need to hear stinkhole, stink hole.
Danielle Fishel
We say it too many times. Just horrible.
Wilfred L
It's very strange.
Danielle Fishel
Forget we hear it, okay?
Wilfred L
Yeah, okay.
Danielle Fishel
Meanwhile, Shawn takes a look at the place and decides, I think it has possibilities. Corey wonders, like what? Grease fire? Wrecking ball? Or the place just falls apart on its own because it knows it should? Sean tries to look at the bright side. This is the type of place we always said we wanted to live in right. Corey reminds him he's married now, but Topanga immediately jumps in. No. Hey, if you guys want to live here, you can go right ahead. Sean and Angela suggest various ways to redecorate their little space. A bookshelf, a romantic photograph. Corey explains. Guys, we're not gonna fix this place up, okay? It's not like we're gonna live here. Shawn wonders where they plan on living. Then Topanga tells them about the dream house with a nook. But Shaun still doesn't get it. Corey asks, what's not to get? We hate this house and I'm gonna get us into that other house with or without my cheapskate dad. Shawn points out, they've already got a great place to start. Why don't you slow down for a second and take a look around you? This is your place, man. Fix it up. Have an imagination. Corey laughs. You have an imagination. Look what we've got here, Shawn. Imagine this is the water you drink. He turns on the faucet and brown water comes shooting out. Corey catches it in a glass and offers it to Sean. Go ahead, drink the mud. Shawn snaps at him. Corey, Imagine you have some pride in the place and fix the rusty pipes. You want to live in a nice place, you're going to have to work at it.
Wilfred L
I like it.
Danielle Fishel
I like it, too.
Wilfred L
I like hearing all this.
Ryder Strong
I was surprised Sean doesn't bring up his upbringing right.
Wilfred L
I thought so too.
Ryder Strong
It seems like an easy thing to be like, dude, you know, I lived in a trailer like this is and I loved it.
Danielle Fishel
It was my home.
Ryder Strong
Yeah, home is whatever you make out of it, you know, like, I don't know. It's surprising that the writers didn't fall back on that.
Danielle Fishel
They kept all the on the nose dialogue for the B storyline. I am a spoiled brat who gets whatever she wants in the nepot.
Ryder Strong
Exactly.
Danielle Fishel
And on this one, they wanted us to read between the lines.
Wilfred L
Ambiguous with the Sean storyline. Exactly.
Danielle Fishel
You want to live in a nice place, you're gonna have to work at it. And then someday maybe you'll be lying next to each other on the floor with the sun streaming in the window, drinking coffee and reading the newspaper, which, as Will pointed out, is apparently the textbook definition of marriage.
Wilfred L
You have hit the pinnacle of marriage, my friend. We're sharing a newspaper on on the floor, sipping coffee.
Danielle Fishel
Marriage should be on the post on the poster for marriage.
Wilfred L
It should.
Danielle Fishel
Corey scoffs. That's easy for you to say, Mr. I live with my girlfriend in a great apartment that I lucked into and you know what? You guys aren't even married. How fair is that? After a few seconds of silence, Sean admits, I don't know. Thanks for having us.
Wilfred L
And I was like, yes. Angsty. Sean is back.
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Wilfred L
I was so happy to see him. I was like, there he is.
Danielle Fishel
There he is. I've missed you.
Wilfred L
Let's turn this into some kind of existential crisis.
Danielle Fishel
Walk out.
Ryder Strong
I was moping your face. Well, at this point, Rachel is moving out.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Wilfred L
Yeah.
Ryder Strong
According to Mega can move in.
Spreaker Announcer
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Ryder Strong
We can even have separate bedrooms. Because I think.
Wilfred L
Exactly.
Ryder Strong
It's so dumb.
Wilfred L
But you're mop. But you want to. You want to mope in a stinkhole. That's what's happening, my friend.
Ryder Strong
I'm gonna mopen your stinkhole.
Danielle Fishel
Shut up.
Wilfred L
Okay, so moping in a stinkhole. Spiders or toe sucking?
Ryder Strong
Toe sucking.
Danielle Fishel
Oh, God, I got full body chills again.
Ryder Strong
Oh, my God.
Danielle Fishel
Angela quickly follows suit and politely adds, we had a very nice time. Topanga yells at her again. Liar. Now alone in their hole, Cory and Topanga share a moment of sadness.
Ryder Strong
It's funny.
Danielle Fishel
That is, like, easier, better.
Ryder Strong
It is. It's so true.
Wilfred L
Although moping in your doesn't sound too good.
Danielle Fishel
We're in the student union. We are in uncomfortably zoomed in on Bridget's butt while she's playing pool.
Ryder Strong
I couldn't believe the show, actually. Yeah. This is like that. This is like one of the few times I feel like. I mean. Well, I guess our show's pretty.
Wilfred L
Yeah.
Ryder Strong
But this is. But it's like using the camera to actually zoom in on a body part.
Wilfred L
Yeah. And I get. They cut. They're pulling back. And then it's supposed to be that Eric is leering at her, which doesn't make it any better. But there is something about the camera shot itself that does take it to another level.
Ryder Strong
The male gays, man. Yeah.
Danielle Fishel
Oh. Nearby, Eric admits to Jack, I can't keep my eyes off her tushy. Jack grabs him to bring him back to reality. You must. Don't let that tushy control you. Eric repeats bad tushy, and Jack emphasizes the point. Evil. But Eric still walks towards her. I want it. Jack holds him back. She knows you want it. She knows you'd be her pathetic little loves.
Ryder Strong
Interesting question. And maybe do you. I mean, because Michael had worked with Nicole, right? Like, they went back, like, does that make this kind of camera shot okay for him? Because, like, I don't know if he would have zoomed in on the guest star's Butt like, that's a really bold camera thing to do. We've had lots of like hot girls and we ogle them and that's. But for the camera itself, for the show itself to begin. Zoomed in like that's.
Danielle Fishel
We also have never commented on whether or not someone's body had been surgically enhanced.
Ryder Strong
Surgically enhanced.
Danielle Fishel
But we did with her.
Ryder Strong
But we do with her.
Danielle Fishel
So it. I A hundred percent think their familiarity.
Ryder Strong
Yes.
Danielle Fishel
And from when she was a child, she was treated.
Ryder Strong
Yes.
Danielle Fishel
Less respectfully.
Ryder Strong
Yes. Differently. It was. Or I think. Yes. Yes. You know what?
Wilfred L
It's so funny. We see it as less respectfully. It would be Michael being like. Well, she's a friend.
Ryder Strong
Exactly.
Wilfred L
You know, because. Justify it.
Ryder Strong
Yeah. Giving her this job. And it's a good part.
Wilfred L
And she knows I'm like this. She knows I'm like this.
Ryder Strong
This Exactly.
Wilfred L
Thing.
Ryder Strong
But I. Yeah. That I. It just occurred to me that, like, I don't think he would have gotten away with that shot. I don't think we would have even tried it. Attempted. Attempted. You know, you just have a hot girl and you have. But the camera itself.
Wilfred L
Yeah.
Ryder Strong
And then making a. Yeah. I think that that's because of familiarity. And I have. I have a.
Wilfred L
An honest question. Is there anything redeeming about this B story? Anything?
Ryder Strong
I mean, I think Danielle pointed out that it could have. The dynamic of Jack meeting another Jack. Like meeting a female version of him is a cool idea. And I like that he's not gonna fall for her. Like that first bit where he's like, I'm basically the male version of you. I thought it was cool. I think that's a cool observation. And it's nice for Jack to be a little self aware about him being a rich pretty boy. That is cool. And I wish they did more of that throughout the show because it gives him more of a character.
Danielle Fishel
It's funny. Similarly to the episode we keep bringing up the monkey episode. Similarly to the way Jack learned about himself. That there is a downside to what he's like. It would have been redeeming and nice if she taught him something about himself. If the lesson of this had actually been that he becomes a better person because of something she inadvertently teaches him because he sees a similarity in them, then that would have been redeeming. But they set something up.
Ryder Strong
Toe sucking and tushy.
Wilfred L
Tushy and toe sucking.
Danielle Fishel
So Eric is thrilled. Did she say that? Jack calls Bridget a sadist. Just looking for a masochist. And again, Eric is elated. Did she Say that. This is another one of our moments from the season seven bloopers, where you grab Matt's muscle and say, God, you're well built. And he goes, thank you. And then he has to, like, get back into character. He's like.
Wilfred L
He goes, it's Ryder's favorite mood. He goes, thanks.
Ryder Strong
Yeah, because he knows he's gonna break because you've got him. You're like. The way you do it, you're feeling his arm. You're going, you really.
Danielle Fishel
God, you're really, really well built.
Ryder Strong
He so earnestly just thanks you. He's like, thanks. And then he's like, God damn it.
Danielle Fishel
So funny.
Ryder Strong
So funny. Oh, my God.
Danielle Fishel
Jack kicks it up a notch. Here's what she'll say. Clean the toilets, ground the espresso, count the cups. And then you'll say, I will get to it when I'm good and ready. So shut your cake hole, Irene. Do we know where Irene came from?
Wilfred L
No.
Ryder Strong
Okay, Cake hole, stinkhole. Cakehole versus stinkhole.
Wilfred L
I'll take a cake hole any day of the week. Also, we really show in this episode again, there is a fascination with the word tushy.
Danielle Fishel
Oh, yeah, we love tushy.
Wilfred L
We say tushy all the time.
Ryder Strong
Tushy dance all the time. For season. Tushy, tushy. Last episode. Last episode. Your mama wiped my tushy.
Wilfred L
Remember that?
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Wilfred L
That's the word for we say tushy all the time.
Danielle Fishel
Michael loves it. Eric responds, her name is Bridget, and I wrote her this poem. He pulls out a comically large piece of paper and begins reciting, Bridget, you make me fidget. Then he holds the ginormous piece of paper back up and returns it to his pocket. That's all he's got.
Ryder Strong
It's pretty funny.
Wilfred L
Yeah.
Danielle Fishel
I feel like that was a will thing. On cue, Bridget appears. Hello, pretty boys. She takes a seat on the coffee bar and asks, have you scrubbed the toilets, Ground the espresso, counted the cups? Jack puts on a brave face and confidently answers, I will get to it when I'm good and ready. So shut your cake hole, Irene. Bridget looks to Eric. How about you, bonehead? Jack whispers with encouragement. Keiko. Keiko. Eric pauses, not knowing what to say, and then blurts out, jack thinks you're a bad girl and I'll fall prey to your tushy. Jack is very disappointed as Eric calmly continues, I think you're a sweet little farm girl who likes to hold hands on the porch. Bridget sticks out her leg and matter of factly demands Eric to take off her shoe and suck her third toe. Eric's face lights up and he falls to the ground. Without hesitation, Bridget turns her attention back to Jack.
Ryder Strong
This is really it, huh? I'm thinking that there was another turn or point to the storyline.
Danielle Fishel
Nope, nope. By the way, you're fired. With that, Eric calls out from the floor and I'm in a brand new healthy relationship.
Wilfred L
All right, A what the. And B, if I had to do it over again, I would have said that with my mouth full.
Danielle Fishel
Right? But it's true. Then we're in Cory and Topanga's dorm. Topanga's depressed on the couch as Corey paces the living room. He's venting about Sean, claiming he's in a cushy apartment living the good life, eating bon bons. Topanga admits a bookshelf would look cute in the corner, but Corey doesn't want to hear it. You know where a bookshelf would look good? In the nook. Topanga breaks it to him. We're not gonna have a nook right now. He desperately asks. We're not. Topanga reiterates, no. Kori takes a look around and sighs. So we live here now. She nods. He takes a spot next to her on the couch and asks, what if I built us a nook? She explains there isn't any room. So Corey asks, what if I fix the sink? Topanga asks if he knows how to fix a sink and he admits no. She laughs. You never thought you'd ever have to fix a sink, did you? Cory chuckles, no. And so Topanga offers to help. He's shocked. Hahaha. You know how to fix a sink? Now it's her turn to admit she has no clue. Corey states, so neither one of us knows how to fix a sink. She looks at him. Together, they get up from the couch, ready to team up. Corey warns her as he takes his spot underneath the scene. I know. Loved that whole part on the couch.
Wilfred L
I love that part. This part I didn't like. Okay, this next part.
Danielle Fishel
Before I go under there, I gotta tell you, whatever you do, it's very important that you do not. And before he can finish the sentence, Topanga turns on the faucet and Corey shrieks, do not turn on the water. She quickly turns it off. I'm sorry, did something bad happen? Corey pops back up and we see brown sludge all over his face and shirt. He points a finger at Topanga, possibly on the brink of breaking, and says, you tell me. Topanga winces, she's so sorry. Corey opens his arms for an embrace. Okay, you gotta hug me. She yells, no. And starts to run away.
Wilfred L
This part to me all of a sudden turned into a little bit of a high school play.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Wilfred L
I don't know if it was the blocking or the acting in this one specific part, but it, it seemed very stiff. Yeah, this part.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah, yeah. She teases him, get away from me, Swamp Thing. Corey screams. Swamp Thing wants the booty. Topanga jumps onto the couch and jokingly yells, it's after me. I must warn the village. Corey threatens, no, no, I'm taking you back to the swamp to do things. Topanga throws her arms in the air and Corey's about to grab her when there's a knock at the door.
Ryder Strong
Before we go further in the episode.
Danielle Fishel
Oh no.
Ryder Strong
I've heard back from Nate Brewer.
Danielle Fishel
Yes.
Ryder Strong
Oh. And so he had texted me, we're all just bozos on the bus. And I said, wait, what was that one? And he said, that's the record it came from. Check out this video. Fire sign Theater Bozos on the bus. I think your brother found the old record at your parents house and we were probably high out of our minds and listened to it. I will try to find the sound bite. And he sent me a YouTube link. And at 5:20 they say, unhappy Macnam.
Wilfred L
It's like, well now we have to play it. Now you have to play it right.
Danielle Fishel
Okay.
Wilfred L
Doesn't stop, please. Now listen to me.
Ryder Strong
This is worker speaking. Open your gate. Doctor. I have no idea what this is, but it's like, it's really trippy. He's saying macnam. Memory laugh Run away makes no read. Unhappy Mam. Unhappy Macnam. Systat Uptime nine Awake for nine hours two minutes. So I think the idea was that it was like a bad drug trip that they had and they were like freaking out listening to this album that my parents had. Whatever this is comedy classic shoes for industry hilarious. This is.
Wilfred L
Yeah, this is the best of. What are their regular albums like?
Ryder Strong
So, yeah, so I think the idea was it was just pure psychedelic weirdness. And so whenever we were around people that were making us uncomfortable, we would look at each other and go like, I'm having a bad trip.
Wilfred L
There you go.
Danielle Fishel
There it is.
Ryder Strong
There it is. I can stop.
Danielle Fishel
We're all just bozos on questions than before. Oh God, you know what? I'm so glad when we have these little moments and then they just take us a little deeper into the life of Ryder, the childhood life of Ryder.
Wilfred L
The Fireside Theater was an American surreal comedy troupe who first appeared on November 17, 1966, in a live performance on the Los Angeles radio program Radio Free Oz. They continued appearing on Radio Freeage, later moved to krla. They produced 15 albums. 15 albums. Holy.
Danielle Fishel
Must have done well.
Ryder Strong
Wow, that is a deep cut, man.
Danielle Fishel
It is a deep cut.
Ryder Strong
Okay, okay.
Danielle Fishel
Well, Corey Wines. Oh, wouldn't you know it, Swamp Thing, though we've wastewaited. It's Kelly, the neighbor with the baby, who looks like she's at her wits end. She won't go to sleep. She hasn't slept in three weeks and neither have I.
Wilfred L
Did she knock this time?
Danielle Fishel
Yes.
Wilfred L
Okay. Thank God.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. She asks if she can just lean against their door frame to get the baby to settle. And Topanga tells Corey that Kelly and the baby are here and he's already over at the sink. You guys got a 58 crescent wrench? Topanga's impressed. He figured out how to fix it. He says, no, I just want to hit myself over the head. Kelly winces. I'm sorry, was I interrupting something? Corey answers, well, we were playing a nice little game of Swamp Thing. Kelly smiles and walks into the apartment without asking, oh, yeah, Swamp Thing. I remember playing Swamp Thing with my husband. You know what you get at the end of the game? Corey wonders, what's that? She quickly bursts his bubble, pointing to the screaming baby on her shoulder. Hello. Corey tells Topanga, I don't want to play anymore. Topanga offers that they watch the baby so Kelly can go see a movie. I don't know why Topanga thinks that's what the mom who hasn't slept in three weeks. Not the same thing.
Wilfred L
I'm like, or take a nap. Why don't you take a nap? Why don't you go lay down?
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. Why does she say, go see a movie?
Wilfred L
I go to a roller coaster.
Ryder Strong
Isn't it funny that? Didn't we say this last episode? We said, why doesn't Topanga offer to watch the baby? And I was like, oh, we were ahead of it.
Danielle Fishel
We were ahead of it.
Wilfred L
Yeah, exactly. Why don't you just go to a water park, take a second, take some
Danielle Fishel
time to get the gym hit the gym.
Wilfred L
You need some exercise, hit the gym. That's what it is.
Danielle Fishel
Kelly is taken aback. Oh, no, I could never do that. Topanga asks why? You deserve some time to yourself. And Cory and I have everything under control. Right, honey? Cory is back under the sink. There's something staring at me in here. Topanga insists, go see a movie. Meanwhile, Cory's now yelling, it's licking me Topanga promises she's a really great babysitter. Kelly asks, could I just sleep for an hour instead?
Wilfred L
Fair question.
Danielle Fishel
Fair question. Still under the st. Cory insists in a Billy Crystal, you look marvelous accent. Sleep as long as you need, darling. Finally willing to accept the help, Kelly briefs Topanga. She just ate, so you might need to burp her. And if she gets fussy, she likes Itsy Bitsy Spider the best. Topanga smiles and tells her to get some sleep. Kelly hands over the crying baby and thanks her with nothing, by the way.
Wilfred L
No diapers, not a bag, nothing. Here's the kid in a blanket. Good luck.
Danielle Fishel
Enjoy the stinkhole. Yeah, honor. On her way out, she tells Topanga, you're a really good neighbor. I'm glad you're here. Topanga thanks her and begins to sing Itsy Bitsy Spider to Savannah, who is no longer crying. Savannah, the name of the baby.
Wilfred L
I think so. That's apparently now the name of the baby, by the way, the thing that makes my grandson laugh instantly. Itsy Bitsy Spider.
Danielle Fishel
Aw.
Wilfred L
Instantly. So the second we heard that, too, and I were like, well, that's true to life.
Danielle Fishel
That's cute.
Wilfred L
Kids love it.
Danielle Fishel
She takes a seat on the floor with the baby and asks Corey, how's that water spout go in, sport? Which is hard to say. I don't know why that was the line. You know, it's water spout going, sport.
Wilfred L
You know what's even harder than that, though, is fixing a sink with no tools. No tools or any equipment or any new pipes at all. It's just him underneath, underneath the sink.
Danielle Fishel
He's just drinking the muddy water.
Wilfred L
He literally has done nothing.
Ryder Strong
It drove me. That made me so mad because it's like, literally, if the point is, you have to do something, and then.
Danielle Fishel
Guys, hold on. My laptop's broken.
Wilfred L
That's better. There you go, you guys.
Ryder Strong
But I mean, it's like, it just ruins the whole lesson. Like, the whole lesson of this is, like, it should take hard work. So, like, dissolve, show that he has to go get something, figure something out.
Wilfred L
There's different pieces of it all over the place. And, yes, this doesn't seem to be working anymore.
Danielle Fishel
I know. Dissolve. So easy.
Ryder Strong
It's like, if it's literally. Literally, just put your head down. It's like, I hate it. It drove me crazy.
Wilfred L
It did for me as well. And it was like, what the heck? But at the same time, I was also thinking, this is 99. If you didn't know what you were doing in 99 and you had to do this, you had to have the entire set of those Time life books.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. Remember that?
Wilfred L
Like how to fix your house? Yeah. Ain't no YouTube, so. Yeah, but it was. It drove me crazy too. I was like, he literally doesn't even have a wrench. He doesn't have anything. I know.
Danielle Fishel
I did just buy that he had tools under there already.
Roald Dahl Podcast Host
Why?
Ryder Strong
Because, Corey, they didn't even. They don't even have stuff. They can only eat a tuna sandwich. They don't have enough money for food, apparently.
Danielle Fishel
I love tuna sandwiches.
Wilfred L
I do too. Not the Erewhon tuna though. We tried that yesterday. It's disgusting. It's so fishy.
Danielle Fishel
Oh, I don't like that.
Wilfred L
Gross.
Danielle Fishel
I don't like that. You got to get an egg salad sandwich from 7 11.
Wilfred L
$62.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah, he admits, I don't know. But the itsy bitsy spider just laid about 5 million eggs up my nose. Topanga asks Mr. Plummer if it's fixed yet. And Corey can't believe her. How could I have fixed it? How could anybody do anything good around here? He turns the sink back on and it's brown. But then it magically turns crystal clear.
Wilfred L
Then it's not.
Danielle Fishel
Cory's in shock. They have clear water now. She points out. And you fixed it. Corey is beaming. We did this. We did it. I feel incredible. What a great day for me. Topanga pulls the blanket from the baby's face. Isn't that incredible? But then she notices Savannah is finally asleep. She went to sleep for me. She's comfortable here. And in case you haven't put it together yourself. Corey looks at the baby, then the clear water. And then he nods. We are back at Angela and Sean's apartment. Sean and Angela are lying on the floor reading the newspaper.
Ryder Strong
Yeah.
Wilfred L
And they're lying on the floor reading the newspaper. Perfect.
Danielle Fishel
Drinking coffee. Just as Corey predicted earlier, Angela loves their life. And Sean admits it's what I've always wanted. She asks him, are you happy? And a somewhat perplexed Sean nods. I'm as happy as I'm gonna get. Angela wonders, what does that mean? And he answers, we don't deserve this, Angela. Not yet. This came easy for us.
Ryder Strong
What? This? I know I don't. Who talks like this? Who is aware of themselves as a character and says I don't deserve this yet? It's the weirdest logic.
Wilfred L
It doesn't make any sense. And yet, if 17 year old Ryder has said this to me, it would have been perfectly in keeping with 17 year old Ryder.
Ryder Strong
Really?
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. Yeah.
Wilfred L
I do. I, I. Because this was. This was you. It's like, everything's going really good in my life.
Danielle Fishel
Hostile.
Wilfred L
I gotta figure out how I can this up.
Ryder Strong
I mean, yes, I guess that's true, but I wouldn't express it that way. I would.
Wilfred L
Probably not. No, you would have been more artic.
Ryder Strong
I should be working harder. I should be doing this. Why haven't I accomplished this yet? I need to be. Blah, blah. I can't just relax, like. And I'm still doing that.
Wilfred L
Yes.
Ryder Strong
My wife would say I'm still doing. But I'm never gonna say, you know what? I'm really happy right now. And that's a problem I need to make. You know, Like, I've never expressed it this way. Yes, exactly. The way Sean would actually do this is he would screw this up. He would. You know, it's like. Like Sean's the kind of guy who would be. It doesn't break up with somebody. He just acts. He just so bad that he gets broken up with.
Wilfred L
Right.
Ryder Strong
So he doesn't have the responsibility, and
Danielle Fishel
then he can be the victim.
Ryder Strong
That's exactly what Sean would do in this situation. And, like, he would just ruin this scene because it's like, you know, he's not comfortable with the idea of being happy. That's a good. That's a good character motivation. You don't just put it in the character's mouth. It's so weird. No one talks like this.
Wilfred L
Hot take.
Danielle Fishel
The.
Wilfred L
The apartment is haunted and anybody who's in there is. Yeah, exactly.
Danielle Fishel
You do say this came easy for us. We didn't work at it. It's easy to be happy about all this. But what if we were on our own and other people weren't helping us pay rent? So at the very least, we could say that Sean is saying, you know,
Ryder Strong
I feel bad because we're.
Danielle Fishel
I feel bad. Yeah. Like, I want. If I were really gonna be able. What would we be able to afford? We could never afford this. If we want this.
Ryder Strong
Helping Sean, who knows?
Wilfred L
I thought it was Jack's dad.
Ryder Strong
Jack's dad still is helping him pay for college.
Wilfred L
College. Because of Chet. Because Chet asked him to help out with all that stuff.
Ryder Strong
Okay.
Wilfred L
Yeah.
Danielle Fishel
All right. Okay.
Ryder Strong
It's weird.
Danielle Fishel
Angela realizes you're jealous of Corey and Topanga. You're jealous of their stinkhole.
Wilfred L
There you go.
Danielle Fishel
Sean explains. I haven't had a lot of good things in my life that really belong to me. So when they come along, I want to do my best to protect them and hold on to Them. I'm not going to let anything bad happen to this relationship. Angela shakes her head. You're such a SAP. Why can't you just be happy? Shawn is adamant. Because this is not real life. It's not like Cory and Topanga. You and I, we're just playing house. Angela's startled. You want what Cory and Topanga have. Do you want to get married? Shawn chuckles. Are you proposing? She clarifies. I'm just asking. And Shawn tells her, not yet. And Angela laughs. She appears to feel the same way. Shawn throws his arm around her. But someday, if and when we do, I promise we'll have a stinkhole just like Cory and Topanga. Angela makes him promise, and she sighs. Oh, I'm looking forward to it. Shawn nods. Me too. And then a sweet moment passes between them before Angela looks off camera and wonders who's gonna break it to him. We panda their new Saint Bernard Clueless lounging on the floor.
Wilfred L
How do you know they named it Clueless?
Ryder Strong
It's really sweet. So, wait, they are not gonna live together? Is that. This is.
Wilfred L
No, no.
Danielle Fishel
Now Angela's moving out, and Eric and Jack are moving in with you.
Ryder Strong
I don't like it.
Wilfred L
Wait, so Eric and Jack are gonna live with Sean again? Yes. The Venn diagram needed.
Ryder Strong
Hold on. But what do I say in this?
Danielle Fishel
Because I didn't quite understand that we're just playing house. I'm not gonna let anything bad happen to our relationship, but we're just playing house. And if and when we do decide to get, we will live in together. Will be a stinkle.
Ryder Strong
When does she say I'm moving out?
Danielle Fishel
In the tag.
Wilfred L
In the tag.
Ryder Strong
Right. But. So why do we say who's going to break it to him? To the dog? As if we've already made a decision to do something.
Danielle Fishel
They think that that conversation was clear. Yeah, they think the aud. They think the audience picked up on the idea that what you guys just agreed was that you were no longer going to live together. But that is not clear.
Ryder Strong
It is not clear. That's why I'm so baffled. I was like, what? Who's gonna break what? Like, we. We just decided to not get married. Which is a cool, fun moment. But then why does that imply we have to also move out?
Danielle Fishel
No, the not needing to move out came from, we didn't earn this. People are helping us pay rent.
Ryder Strong
What does that have to do with not being together? I don't understand. Or not living together.
Wilfred L
I love how you're still trying to figure it out.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah, yeah.
Wilfred L
Did you watch the B story of this episode?
Ryder Strong
Go suck a toe.
Wilfred L
Exactly.
Danielle Fishel
We're in the Matthews living room. Amy and Alan are cuddled up on the couch, reading the newspaper. Mary and drinking coffee together. Marriage. A position we recognize as marriage. Then Cory and Topanga walk through the kitchen door. Corey's holding a crystal clear glass of water. Drink this, you. No signing, no money giving us. No letting us stay in your house. Little wisp of a man. Drink it. Allan cautiously asks, is it poison? Topanga explains, it was before Corey fixed it. Allan is surprised. He fixed pipes, dear. Topanga casually adds, while I was playing with the baby. Allen quips, they had a baby. Dear. Corey goes into detail, I was gonna call you to come over and help me fix the pipes, but I didn't. You wanna know why? Because I didn't think you'd help me. Would you have helped me? The answer should be, hell yes. Of course.
Wilfred L
Of course I'm your dad.
Danielle Fishel
Allan shakes his head no. Corey knew it. Well, we fixed the pipes ourselves. Amy asks how they feel about that, and Corey admits, proud. Very proud of us. Okay. He pulls his wife in close. Topanga and I are going to paint our place. We're going to put in a bookshelf, and when we can afford it, we're going to buy that house with the nook. Without your help. What do you have to say to that? Allan stands up. I'd say you finally figured it out. He and Amy raise their glasses and she adds, welcome to being an adult.
Wilfred L
He couldn't wipe his face off before. He still got the all over his face. Did you notice that?
Danielle Fishel
I know.
Wilfred L
He literally couldn't even wipe his face
Danielle Fishel
off before he got there. Alan explains, when your mother and I got married, we had nothing. Nobody would help us. We did fine. Amy adds, we didn't know it then, but it was the sweetest time in our lives. Alan clarifies, we bonded together forever. We fell completely in love because we knew we had made a life for ourselves with nobody's help but our own. He tells Corey, I would never take that away from you, son. Cory and Topanga look at each other, a little embarrassed, and then back at Amy and Alan with huge grins. Corey gives Allan a big hug and he says he's sorry. Topanga grabs Allen's hand. Thanks, dad. I'm calling you dad. They all hug, and it ends in a very sweet moment. And then we're in the tag. We're in Rachel's room. New set alert. Angela's visiting Rachel in her new RA digs. And Rachel is confused. So you're telling me your butts out in the street. Angela explains. Well, Sean, Jack and Eric are gonna take over the apartment because there's three bedrooms and that's what makes sense.
Wilfred L
Uh huh. None of this makes sense.
Ryder Strong
None of this. She could. Oh my God.
Danielle Fishel
Rachel nods. But your butt's out on the street. Angela agrees. But if you talk to my last roommate, I bet she'll give you some good references. Rachel jokes. You know what? I know her. And she is a very beautiful woman. Angela agrees. That she is. Rachel adds. And she would love to have you as her roommate. Angela lights up. Really? Rachel gives her a big hug. It's a yes. But Rachel still has one big question. Who's getting the dog? Then we cut to the boy's apartment. Eric is napping on the couch, talking in his sleep. Oh, Bridget, your breath's so warm. The camera pulls out to reveal that the same Bernard has sprawled out on top of him. Eric and Jack watch on from the stairs. Should they intervene? Jack says no, they actually make a cute couple. Eric continues to sleep talk. Bridget, I got two words for you. Tic Tac. With that, the St. Bernard breathes directly into his face.
Wilfred L
That's a fun place to be, by the way. Under a big dog, just lying on
Danielle Fishel
a couch, just panting on you. Yeah, that's marriage cuddling. So, yeah, none of that made sense. No, none of that.
Ryder Strong
Like, I don't. I did not understand it. Like, I just don't.
Danielle Fishel
It. No, but it's.
Ryder Strong
It's all presented as if it like makes a lot a logical sense.
Wilfred L
Like it really.
Danielle Fishel
What it's presented as is. Let's not. No. Let's not talk about it for too long. So the guys are gonna move in there because there's three bedrooms. That makes sense. Rushing right along. No time to think about it. Just drop that little nugget of information.
Wilfred L
I don't. I didn't. I had no recollection that the three of us moved back in together either.
Danielle Fishel
I don't either.
Ryder Strong
So this is the way we started season six. Six. No. When did we have.
Danielle Fishel
Living in the apartment?
Wilfred L
Yes, because Maddie came on season five. So season six was us starting there, right?
Ryder Strong
No, because that's when season five came in.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah. So season five, you guys started living together.
Ryder Strong
Yeah, because season five.
Wilfred L
Halfway through season five, we started living.
Ryder Strong
I was still in high school.
Spreaker Announcer
There you go.
Ryder Strong
I'm living with you guys. Right, because we did the Witches of Penbrook in there.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah, exactly.
Wilfred L
Yeah.
Danielle Fishel
Yeah.
Roald Dahl Podcast Host
Okay.
Danielle Fishel
Thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails podmeetsworldshowmail.com and and we've got Merch Suck my
Wilfred L
toe while moping in my stinkhole merch.
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Ryder Strong
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Danielle Fishel
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Hosts: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong
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In this lively second part of their rewatch of “Boy Meets World” Season 7, Episode 10 (“Picket Fences”), Danielle, Will, and Ryder do a deep-dive on the core dilemmas faced by Corey and Topanga as a young married couple trying to buy their first home. The group analyzes behind-the-scenes moments, debates the logistics and logic of the episode’s major plotlines, and recalls both fond and awkward memories of making the classic sitcom. They grapple with the credibility of storylines about money, adulthood, moving in together, and the (in)famous “stinkhole” apartment.
| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |---|---|---| | 04:55 | “You get a job, save for A down payment, then buy the house.” | Alan (recapped by Danielle) | | 07:02 | “By the time you get to college… that’s really a time to figure out what it feels like to live in the world.” | Danielle | | 17:36 | “You want to live in a nice place, you’re going to have to work at it.” | Shawn | | 19:04 | “And I was like, yes. Angsty Sean is back.” | Will | | 20:29 | “We are in uncomfortably zoomed in on Bridget’s butt while she’s playing pool.” | Danielle | | 25:01 | “We say tushy all the time.” | Will | | 28:41 | “Swamp Thing wants the booty!” | Corey | | 35:00 | “It just ruins the whole lesson… it should take hard work.” | Ryder | | 36:27 | “We did this. We did it. I feel incredible. What a great day!” | Corey/recap | | 40:05 | “I haven’t had a lot of good things in my life that really belong to me. So when they come along, I want to do my best to protect them…” | Shawn | | 44:03 | “We didn’t know it then, but it was the sweetest time in our lives. We bonded together forever… I would never take that away from you, son.” | Alan & Amy |
Throughout the episode, the hosts’ signature mix of nostalgia, inside baseball, and critical humor keeps things highly entertaining—especially when calling out plot holes, sitcom logic, and moments both touching and ridiculous in their TGIF classic. Together, they echo the episode’s central message: real adulthood is about struggling, failing, and eventually learning—usually together, and sometimes in a “stinkhole” apartment.
Next Episode:
Season 7, Episode 11, "What a Drag" (originally aired December 3, 1999).
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