TGI – Episode 719 “Brotherly Shove"

Summary

Pod Meets World – Season 7, Episode 19 “Brotherly Shove” Recap

Original Air Date: March 31, 2000
Podcast Release: May 21, 2026
Hosts: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong
Episode Theme: A critical and nostalgic breakdown of Boy Meets World’s “Brotherly Shove,” focusing on brotherhood, drifting relationships, series weariness in Season 7, and what makes for compelling “family” episodes in sitcoms.

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Episode Overview

The hosts return to “Brotherly Shove,” an episode where the Matthews family’s garage sale unexpectedly rekindles tension between Eric and Corey, exploring how siblings grow apart as they enter adulthood. The conversation dives into story structure, emotional stakes, series context, and personal reflections from the cast on brotherhood both on- and off-screen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immediate Reactions to the Episode

• Ryder & Danielle’s Take: Neither liked the episode; both found it dramatically unsatisfying and emotionally muddled.
  • Ryder: “I really did not like this episode. I mean, truly despised it.” (15:58)
  • Danielle: “Me neither.” (16:00)
• Will’s Take: Will was more positive, largely because of his own emotional lens and the dramatic material for Eric.
  • Will: “I absolutely love this episode. … It really made me feel like we were coming to an end.” (16:03)

2. Breakdown of the Episode’s Structure & Lessons

• Central Conflict: Corey and Eric’s relationship has grown distant, prompting a “brotherly blowup” at a garage sale.
  • Missed Potential: The group agreed the episode lacked clarity in setup and execution.
    • Danielle: “If Eric saying that would have made me... my heart would have broken for him if there had been any sort of vulnerability. But instead, it was just this real snarky anger.” (21:07)
    • Ryder: “It’s not a situation. It’s like a scene. … There’s no actual situation.” (22:12)
• Resolution Issues: The siblings’ disagreement never receives a true emotional resolution, even in the climactic hospital scene.
  • Ryder: “Like, I didn’t like Corey or Eric in this episode. By the end, I was just like, why did we have all these yelling and drama and physical fighting over what?” (22:45)

3. Analysis of Storytelling Choices

• Adults’ Absence Hurts Stakes: The hosts suggest the episode should have included Alan and Amy to ground the conflict and provide meaningful adult guidance.
  • Will: “This episode really does lack the adult. Because, again, if you’re going to revert them to children, you want the adult.” (37:08)
• Suggested Rewrites:
  • Have Alan and Amy notice their sons drifting apart and engineer the garage clean-out as a way to bring them together.
  • Let the conflict begin with something tangible (e.g., one brother selling the other’s favorite childhood item).
  • Keep the apology and catharsis for the end, not early in the episode.
• Structural Fatigue: The hosts recognize the episode as emblematic of season seven’s “limping” energy.
  • Will: “You can tell we’re limping across the finish line here. We’ve all kind of checked out from an acting-wise, it seems like a lot of it is checked out from a writing standpoint. … We’re crawling across the...” (24:37)

4. Emotional Authenticity vs. Sitcom Formula

• Lack of Vulnerability: The podcast notes the episode missed real emotional beats—particularly from Eric.
• Missed Depth:
  • Danielle (on an ideal Eric monologue): “All relationships take effort. … You don’t put any effort with me. … That’s a... If Eric saying that would have made me—my heart would have broken for him…” (21:07–21:14)

5. B-story Critique: Jack & Shawn as Brothers

• Repetitive & Flat: The subplot of Jack and Shawn comedically “forcing” a closer bond is called out as redundant, shallow, and previously explored.
  • Ryder: “It doesn’t change. It’s like we should have a relationship and we kind of don’t.” (23:39)

6. Seasonal Perspective & Series Context

• A sense of malaise pervades the later seasons. Will likens the episode’s feel to the early years but acknowledges its lack of heart and innovation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On structural confusion:
  • Ryder: “This whole episode is one scene. … There’s no actual situation.” (22:12)
• On brotherhood:
  • Will: “Relationships with brothers is complicated. … They’re living, breathing things.” (77:24)
• Danielle’s rewrite pitch:
  • “…Let us see [the parents] get the idea: ‘I know what we’ll do, we’ll throw them out there together,’ and then Corey circumvents Eric … and then we save the apology for the end of the episode as the resolution…” (19:41)
• On the series fatigue:
  • Will: “You can tell we’re limping across the finish line.” (24:37)
• On the fight scene’s choreography:
  • Will (on garage sale melee): “It was a strange melee.” (70:22)
  • Danielle (on Topanga’s role): “I walk over and sit in the chair and watch…because I think you like the violence. That’s what they set up before.” (70:28–70:35)
• On not knowing the emotional lesson:
  • Danielle: “I’m not sure what the takeaway of this episode, what the real lesson was. I think it got a little muddled.” (77:08)

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Important Episode Timestamps

• Grammar tangent & episode start: 03:25–15:16 (includes banter and episode intro)
• Initial reactions and theme discussion: 15:16–17:43
• Suggested fixes for the episode: 19:41–21:06
• Breakdown of episode structure & backstory: 22:12–26:44
• In-depth recap begins (plot breakdown): 33:16
• Major fight scene & hospital aftermath: 69:19–75:36
• Discussion of episode’s lack of resolution, themes: 75:36–82:31
• Final thoughts on brotherhood: 77:24–81:38

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Additional Memorable Moments

• Writing & Punctuation Mini-lesson: Early banter about em dashes and ellipses leads into playful, literary insight (03:25–06:09).
• Inside Baseball: Crew and contractual talk about why the adults might not be in the episode, with Ryder and Will speculating about production decisions in late-season Boy Meets World (37:10–44:44).
• Meta commentary on actor habits: The hosts poke fun at their own on-screen tics, like Ben “always pretending he had something in his mouth” during serious scenes (59:48–60:33).

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Guest Stars – Quick Facts

• Jesse Corti (“Man”): Known for Les Misérables (Broadway), voiced Lefou in Beauty and the Beast, and roles in Frozen, Zootopia, West Wing, Judging Amy, 24.
• Janet S. Blake (“Woman”): Only four credits; Boy Meets World, The Practice, Zoe, Duncan, Jack and Jane, and Friends.

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Final Reflection

The hosts’ main takeaway is that “Brotherly Shove” aims for an honest exploration of brotherhood but falls short in execution, with unclear emotional stakes and limited narrative growth. Their discussion is not only a critique of this particular episode but also a meditation on what Boy Meets World did best in earlier seasons: blending family warmth, humor, and real emotional lessons. Despite their frustration, the cast’s own life experiences with siblings—and what is left unsaid in family relationships—infuse the conversation with authenticity, humor, and warmth.

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Notable Quote to End:
Will Friedle (on brothers): “Relationships with brothers are complicated. ... The relationships themselves... are living, breathing things that are very complicated.” (77:24)

Transcript

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[Will Friedle]

I made a mistake.

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I was wrong.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh.

[Ryder Strong]

Multiple people contacted me for some reason. I talked about the double EM dash. Yeah, that was your. What I was referring to was simply an EM dash.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh yeah. Furious with that.

[Ryder Strong]

Double EM dash is another thing that is used to replace a word or part of a word. So what I was actually talking about is simply an EM dash. I guess I was confused because you do a double hyphen to create an EM dash. Also, it's been pointed out to me that I put a space before and after my EM dashes, which I've discovered nobody else does but I insist upon. And I was like, why do I do this? I was like, do I have to change the way I write now? Do I have to go back? But no. As of yesterday, I've been reading the Remains of the Day by Ishiguro, which I've been told is like the greatest book ever. I've never read it. He also wrote Never Let Me Go, which is another great novel. This is the winner of the Pulitzer

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Prize, winner of the Nobel Prize, greatest book ever.

[Ryder Strong]

It's supposed to. Have you read it? Yes, of course. Well, I'm only like 10 pages in. He does em dashes with spaces before and after precedent.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. Dead.

[Ryder Strong]

That's it. That's a.

[Will Friedle]

Can't believe the double M dash. You.

[Ryder Strong]

I ruined everything.

[Danielle Fishel]

Honestly, you.

[Ryder Strong]

It's been driving me crazy. I have to address it.

[Will Friedle]

I have never said.

[Danielle Fishel]

Dan.

[Will Friedle]

I agree. I agree 100%.

[Ryder Strong]

I still can't stand quotation marks. But yeah.

[Will Friedle]

What about an ellipses? How do you feel about an ellipses?

[Ryder Strong]

Love Em.

[Danielle Fishel]

Will loves an ellipses.

[Will Friedle]

I do.

[Ryder Strong]

I love ellipses. But I don't like. I don't like how autocorrect makes them a tight ellipses. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like if you type Period, period, period. Into most programs now. It squeezes them together and creates an ellipses as its own thing. No, it should just be three periods in a row. Like, why are they changing the spacing? That drives me crazy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, yeah.

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These are important things.

[Will Friedle]

I. I agree. Okay. Well, let me ask you a question. Do you know how many in the English language, how many punctuation marks there are?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know. Not a whole lot.

[Danielle Fishel]

We're looking at our laptops.

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Let's see if we're not accounting without looking.

[Will Friedle]

Without looking.

[Ryder Strong]

No emojis. I would say 14, 20, 20, 24, 16. Oh.

[Will Friedle]

Now, of the 16, how many can you name without looking at your keyboards?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, there's only 16.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do forward slashes count?

[Will Friedle]

I mean, if you. If you consider. Forward slash is called. They're calling it an M. Dash.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, no, no. You're talking slashes. Slashes. Excuse me.

[Ryder Strong]

There's an em dash. There's an en dash. There's a hyphen. Huh.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's a colon. A semicolon.

[Ryder Strong]

Colon, semicolon, dash, period, comma, period, comma, apostrophe, quotation, parentheses, parentheses. That's pretty close. How much are we in that? We're already up to, like, there's still.

[Will Friedle]

There's still a ton. Who's been counting?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, underscore. What are the ones that are, like, when you, like, do something inside of a. Inside of a par. Parenthetical. A second. Parenthetical Brackets. Brackets. Thank you.

[Will Friedle]

And that which leads you also to

[Danielle Fishel]

ellipses.

[Ryder Strong]

No, that's.

[Will Friedle]

Well, yeah, the ellipses is one.

[Ryder Strong]

What are the. Oh, what are the, like, triangles? Like the sideways.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah, just greater than. Less than.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah. Nope, those aren't on there.

[Ryder Strong]

They aren't.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. No, you're missing.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're missing points.

[Will Friedle]

Of course.

[Ryder Strong]

Question mark.

[Danielle Fishel]

Question.

[Will Friedle]

There you go. You've. I think you've literally missed one. Nope.

[Danielle Fishel]

Ampersand's not the one. The one that's not a bracket. This is a bracket. The one that goes like this has a little extra.

[Will Friedle]

Correct. What are those called?

[Ryder Strong]

Fleur de Lisa. Yeah, that's bracket. It's like a fancy bracket. It's actually Brackalina.

[Will Friedle]

It's also something that could be done to your mouth.

[Ryder Strong]

What?

[Will Friedle]

Yep. Or another name. Another way to hold up your pants.

[Danielle Fishel]

Belt cinch.

[Will Friedle]

What could be done for your mouth that could also be Hold. No, another name for that would be also for your mouth.

[Ryder Strong]

What. What is Your mouth. And suspenders. And your mouth.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, well, I'll save that for the last. So the answers are period, question mark, exclamation point, comma, semicolon, colon, em, dash, en, dash, hyphen, parentheses, brackets, apostrophe, quotation marks, single quotation mark, ellipses and braces is the name of the other braces.

[Danielle Fishel]

I would say teeth rather than mouths.

[Will Friedle]

Well, that's teeth. Mouth.

[Ryder Strong]

I was in. When I was in college, I had a long classroom debate about exclamation marks. And the contention was

[Will Friedle]

if you feel

[Ryder Strong]

the need for an exclamation mark, it's probably a poorly written sentence. Like, in other words, make sense to me.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I use them all the time.

[Ryder Strong]

Do you really?

[Will Friedle]

Oh my God. Everything I write, it's like, hey, are you coming over tomorrow?

[Danielle Fishel]

Sure am.

[Will Friedle]

It's like, why did I text that with three exclamation points?

[Danielle Fishel]

Because if you don't send one, you're

[Will Friedle]

a. I guess you know that you're like a.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, but you. It's. I know women use them a lot and it's literally just to make sure.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

It implies joy and excitement. I know. That's the only way I use them in emails, emails and texts to be like, yeah, or whatever. Yeah, me too.

[Will Friedle]

But I put it on everything.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, but like, if you're actually trying to communicate like in a book or

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

Yeah, but even like, they'll, they'll send us our, our, our edits for, you know, we'll get the podcast and I'll, I'll always. And I always write back, like, no notes for me. Like, why did, why are you shouting? Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

Why do I need especially everything if you have to. Double exclamation, triple exclamation.

[Will Friedle]

Come on. I do that all the time. It's a crutch. I feel bad about it, but it's bad.

[Ryder Strong]

My sentence is now unhinged.

[Will Friedle]

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L the love hypothesis and much, much more.

[Ryder Strong]

Slow burns, second chances chemistry you can

[Danielle Fishel]

feel through the screen the type of binge worthy shows and can't miss movies where you're fully invested, staying up all night just to finish it. Just one more. Oh, all right, one more. You feeling the kind of stories that

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Your next obsession is waiting.

[Danielle Fishel]

Watch only on Prime. Welcome to our season 7 episode 19 recap. It is brotherly shove it. Originally aired March 31, 2000 the synopsis the Matthews family is having a garage sale unexpectedly leading to a battle between Eric and Corey over growing apart. It was directed by Jerry Levine.

[Will Friedle]

Another Jerry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Another Jerry. Written by Matthew Nelson. Before I jump into our guest stars, do you guys want to share your overall thoughts?

[Ryder Strong]

I really did not like this episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

Me neither.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, truly despised it.

[Will Friedle]

Wow. I absolutely love this episode. Really. I did. I loved. I lie. There's I. So I loved working with Ben. This episode made me sad because I know it was the first Time watching that, I was like, oh, we're coming to an end. Like, it, like, it really made me feel like we were coming to an end. I didn't necessarily like Eric in this episode where he was a bit of a. Of a dick. But I like the idea of two sets of brothers finding each other again. I love the B story of Jack and Sean try, like forcing, trying to force a relationship I thought was fun. So yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

What is your takeaway from the episode? Like what is. Who did what? Like what is the lesson? Is there a point of view?

[Will Friedle]

No, I think what it's supposed to be is, you know, two brothers coming back together while another set of brothers is trying to find. Navigate their way through a brotherhood for family. You know, it's like Sean, who's never had family that's ever stuck around, now has a brother in his life that is somebody that we've obviously cast who's going to be here for a while. And so they're both, after watching Corey and Eric deciding that they need to try a relationship. And the thing that I thought was funny of the balance of the A story and the B story is one of them was very melodramatic and one of them is absurdly where it's like we've just been laughing for three hours like watching you guys. The two sets of brothers I enjoyed. I also then just go back to. As an actor, Eric very rarely got a chance or I very rarely got a chance to do any sort of drama, which I always enjoyed when they gave it to Eric finally, even though it was kind of done this way. And so I just liked. It was a brother story again. It was like a first season story of Corey and Eric together with no

[Ryder Strong]

Amy and Alan though.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, but that was the point is that, you know what it reminded me of? There's a. There's a great movie that was big in my family called Coupe de Ville. And what it was is a. Alan Arin buys his wife a car in Flor in. In New York. And he gets his three sons who haven't spoken in years to meet there without telling each of them. And they have to drive the car back to Florida where they live. And the whole thing at the end is not to give it away, but it's Alan Arkin going like it was never about a car. I don't care about a car. It was getting you together. Right. So it was to me the whole thing, even with Alan not being there was Alan specifically called in my head, Cory and Eric. He saw them drifting apart and while they were gone, it's like, I'm gonna give them something to do together to where they have to go through their memories together and that's gonna bring them closer together. And Cory's first instinct was, I'm not even gonna call Eric when this happen. I'm gonna call my wife.

[Ryder Strong]

I love that. That would be a great story.

[Will Friedle]

I know that. But that's where I went with it was. That's what, that's why Eric was pissed. It was like. Yeah, because Corey also lied to him. Where, where it's, you know, it's. Well, no, because dad called me and also told me we were supposed to be here.

[Danielle Fishel]

That goes by so fast. I don't even think Ryder picked up on that. That that's part of the storyline.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, again, those are the reasons I liked it. It was, you know, it also reminded me of my brothers and some of the relationships that you have where you go through ups and down with your brothers. And so it was. And then it got into the whole thing with Ben where I'm like, I haven't spoken to Ben in years now and he had a baby and when he was married and I wasn't involved in any of that. And he's doing all these special things and he's not in our life anymore. So all that factored into me watching this episode. And so I think, you know, from a writing standpoint, it probably wasn't great. Eric was an. When Corey's clearly apologizing to him a hundred times, all that makes total sense. But I think I was watching it through a different lens. And so because of that, there was more emotionality attached to it for me than I think there was for either of the two of you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I just felt like they really. Again, I love when they give Eric some drama. And it's about time Eric has needed something to ground him. And I love it being this idea that, you know, do the entire episode around a garage, the garage sale. And, and, and have, let's see, Amy and Alan noticing that, you know, Corey and Eric don't have the same relationship that they do anymore. Let us see them get the idea. I know what we'll do. We'll throw them out there together and then Corey circumvents Eric and then there is a real, A real blow up. And then we save. And we can save the apology for the end of the episode as the resolution instead of it starting that way. I mean, you know, really recognizes right away that he owes you an Apology.

[Will Friedle]

I don't think he knows why, though. I think that's what they were going for is he's like, oh, I'm apologizing. So I didn't invite you, Eric. And it's the later scene in the hospital where Eric's like, you don't even know why you're apologizing to me. Like, you don't. You don't get that. It has nothing to do with the garage sale. It's about the fact that you've systematically been cutting me out of your life. And so, yeah, it's great to say, yeah, I'm sorry. I should have. You're right. And that's why Eric's like, why are you apologizing?

[Danielle Fishel]

His attitude would make more sense if he also thinks. Thinks it's purposeful. Like, I'm cutting you out of my life because I don't like you.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

And. And. Or because I did something to you or, like, something. But the idea that this really. What this is is him having hurt feelings and wishing their relationship could be better and wanting to say, all relationships take effort. Just the fact that we're brothers isn't going to be enough for us to be close. If we want to be close, we have to put in effort. You put in effort with your wife, you put an effort with your best friend, you, effort with your parents. You don't put in any effort with me. And that says to me that I'm not important to you, and I used to be the most important thing to you. That is like, that's a. If Eric saying that would have made me. My heart would have broken for him if there had been any sort of vulnerability. But instead, it was just this real snarky anger.

[Will Friedle]

And always. That's the thing. That's the thing I didn't like, is they. They didn't start from one position of, like, Eric coming in happy to do something and then getting hurt or mad. It was just. It was one note the entire time. I agree with you 100%.

[Ryder Strong]

I was thinking, like, listening to you guys talk, like, it's not a situation. It's like. It's like a scene. Do you know this whole episode is one scene? There's no actual situation. Like, what. What H. Like, when I was. When you were talking, Danielle, I was like, oh, yeah. Imagine if there was a garage sale and there was, like, an impending, yes, it's coming up. And then, like, there was a miscommunication about it, and then there was somebody lying to cover the fact that they miscommunicate but actually nothing changes in this episode. It's literally Eric walking in and saying, I'm upset with you. And then explaining why for the rest of the episode and Cory and then,

[Will Friedle]

then not even really having a resolution about it.

[Ryder Strong]

No, that's what I mean. Like, I don't know what the takeaway is. Like listening to Danielle talk, I was like, that's actually a really nice point. Like, I didn't quite get that from the episode. I was just kind of like, I didn't like Corey or Eric in this episode. By the end, I was just like, why did we have all these yelling and drama and physical fighting over what? Like, I don't understand what the takeaway. Who was wrong here? And now listening to Danielle and Danielle, I'm like, okay, yeah, I can see that Eric does have a point, you know, but that quite, that doesn't quite get articulated that well in my mind, like where I'm like, oh, I feel sorry for Eric. Instead I'm just like, dude, you're kind of being a dick to your brother.

[Will Friedle]

He was, he was a total dick.

[Ryder Strong]

Agreed. And then I just don't know what happens in the resolution with like, with Cory and Topanga talking about it. And I don't know. It's a weird episode.

[Will Friedle]

It's just, it was, it's.

[Ryder Strong]

It's a strange sort of punishing episode. It's like, let's punish Corey.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

For something. And I'm not sure. Like, I don't know. It's a weird. Yeah, it's. It just left me with a really.

[Will Friedle]

Did you like you and Matt trying to find your relationship?

[Ryder Strong]

Because again, it doesn't have. It doesn't change. It's like we should have a relationship and we kind of don't.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

I also liked it better if the laughing, joking, save me didn't come right after we already saw you guys not being sure what to connect on.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Because then I actually thought, oh good, whatever. They left the apartment to go do. They had a really good time doing. Because then they show up here. Gig. Giggle, giggle, giggle. Whereas I would have loved to have seen a little bit of a build up and be like, wow, look how like, look at them having fun. Only then to have the turn of. I'm miserable.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. And didn't we already do this when we did our Christmas episode where we were like, what are our Christmas traditions?

[Danielle Fishel]

And we're like, oh, we have one note that was a. One little joke that they were like, what if that's the whole B story?

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Pretty much. A B story then too. Cuz didn't we end up going ice skating? Or maybe it was only one scene, but I just feel this felt repetitive to me. I was like we've done this before and, and it didn't. I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I think I, I think I watched it through a different lens but at the same time it's very clear and you know, you can hear people like they don't like their show anymore. In season seven, you can tell we're limping across the finish line. I mean you can really tell that we're limping across the finish line here. We've all kind of checked out from an acting wise, it seems like a lot of it is checked out from a writing standpoint and it's, it really is. We're. We're crawling across the.

[Ryder Strong]

I like what you were saying about it feeling like a season one episode and I think I would have preferred that Alan and Amy were part of this and that it was about the, the impending departure. You know, like if it was. Because I feel like that's. You're right. That's what we're feeling right now is like the show is taking a moment to reflect on the relationships it hasn't quite developed in the last couple years and to sort of say we recognize that these relationships were where the show started. You know, like, I mean, you know, it'd be nice to have Feeny involved. It'd be nice to have the backyard. It'd be nice.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know if Eric didn't even realize what was her. What was bothering him. So Amy and Alan are the ones who. There's this upcoming garage sale. They can tell that there's some differences between the kids. They come up with this idea to let's. This is on you guys. This is all your stuff, your childhood. We don't want to make the decisions. You guys are going to do it together. And then Cory immediately calls Topanga and Sean and starts doing stuff and overreacts

[Ryder Strong]

by like selling a bunch of Cory's stuff out of the garage without Corey knowing it. Then we have a scene where he

[Danielle Fishel]

has to go, he has to go

[Ryder Strong]

to Feeny over the fence.

[Danielle Fishel]

And Feeny tells me it feels like maybe you feel like he puts in all of the effort with other people and not with you. And Eren realizes, yes, that is what it is. I used to be his favorite person and now he doesn't. Even now I'm an afterthought. Then we see like that that would have like if that had gone back to a season one family episode.

[Ryder Strong]

It would have been fantastic.

[Will Friedle]

You could have also done a very big swing, which is something like. I wouldn't have done a garage sale. What I would have done is the boy's bedroom is now either the baby's gonna be in the room, something like that. So they have to go in and clean out the bedroom.

[Danielle Fishel]

Maybe that's why they're having the garage sale though, you know?

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

And so it's like you're not in the garage. We're in a set that we've watched forever. And it's Corey and Eric cleaning out the boy's bedroom. I think would have been a more fun.

[Ryder Strong]

A scene in the treehouse, you know,

[Danielle Fishel]

it could have been.

[Ryder Strong]

So. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. But. Yeah. How you don't have a fencing. But I was looking at. I. I don't like to look forward at the episodes of what they are. But I know what's coming, obviously, because there's only a few left. And it seems like they've hit every. They're trying to hit every trope. So it's like the next one we have is one of the biggest romps we've done in all seven years. It's our Black and White episode. And then then after that it gets, you know, then it's everybody leaving. Then it's the final episode. It's like they've gone melodramatic romp. They're trying to hit like one after another for one more time before we're out. And I think this is just. This was the drama episode.

[Ryder Strong]

Really was.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, yeah, sure was. Guest starring Jesse Corty as Man. He is best known for playing writer. I'm gonna need your help here. Korfiak. Corfiak in the original Broadway show Les Miserables.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow. That is a pretty small part. I believe he's.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Korfiak would be. It's like a. Basically a chorus member who fights at the barricade. And the person who plays Corfiak does the voice on the other side of the barricade. So you. At the barricade. Listen to this. I'm pretty sure that's the same person who plays Korfiac. Yeah, whatever. Very, very small part. In Les Mis.

[Danielle Fishel]

He also voiced. And I don't know how to say this either. Le Fou. Lefou. In the Beauty and the Beast animated movie. Gaston's sidekick. L, E F O U. Oh, I think it's lefou. Lefou.

[Ryder Strong]

Lefou.

[Will Friedle]

I think so.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. And voicing lefou in the Beauty and the Beast animated movie. He has also voiced characters in Frozen and Zootopia, while also appearing in shows like the West Wing, judging Amy and 24. And then we have Janet S. Blake as Woman. She has only four credits to her name, running from 1998 to 2000. And those four shows are boy Meets World, the Practice, Zoe Duncan, Jack and Jane, and Friends.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, man. I was on two of them.

[Ryder Strong]

I actually know what Korfiak's wardrobe looks like.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you?

[Ryder Strong]

That's so crazy. I know exactly. Well, in the original production or in the. Yeah, because if I'm correct, it's. He has like a. He has like a. A thing over. Yeah, I remember the. The actual.

[Will Friedle]

A bandolier.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, a bandolier. Thank you. It's. It's not filled with bullets, but I think it is a bandolier. Ish thing that he wears. And then. Yeah, and the guy who played it in. In the San Francisco production with me was Dom DeLuise's grandson.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, wow.

[Ryder Strong]

Or nephew. Yeah, he was a DeLuise. And it wasn't John DeLuise, who was a voiceover actor who's worked a lot and I've worked with him, or Peter

[Will Friedle]

DeLuise, who was on another DeLuise.

[Ryder Strong]

And I'm blanking on his first name, but I remember Dom deluise came to see us and I got to meet him backstage, but I'm pretty sure he. He played Corfiak in our production. That's so weird. Memory rush. Okay,

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Cat parents, gather round. Ryder and I have some important advice to share.

[Ryder Strong]

Guys, we have to stick together.

[Will Friedle]

Guys.

[Ryder Strong]

Those of us with fur babies know the struggle. We understand the feeling of being ignored by our cats.

[Danielle Fishel]

But that's why we're here, to help. Because sometimes I find myself wondering, does my cat even love me?

[Ryder Strong]

And there's only one solution to solve that.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

And you know what that means?

[Danielle Fishel]

Beach trips?

[Ryder Strong]

Family vacations?

[Will Friedle]

Nope. It means it's time to find your next obsession on Prime Video.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh yes, we do love a good obsession here. Especially when you could talk about for years and suggest to everyone you know.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Because when a story hits, it really hits off campus.

[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

Slow burns, second chances chemistry you can

[Danielle Fishel]

feel through the screen, the type of binge worthy shows and can't miss movies where you're fully invested, staying up all night just to finish it. Just one more. Ooh, all right, one more. You know the feeling.

[Will Friedle]

The kind of stories that pull you in and don't let go in the best way.

[Ryder Strong]

Your next obsession is waiting.

[Danielle Fishel]

Watch only on Prime.

[Will Friedle]

Hey, it's Will Friedle from POD Meets World. It's hard to believe that the first phone call ever happened over 150 years ago. Just think about that. Over the last hundred and fifty years, so many special moments have happened with a phone call. I think back to the phone call I had to make on Hollywood Boulevard, back to my agents in New York who told me that I booked the role of Eric Matthews on Boy Meets World. And it's one of the greatest phone calls I ever had in my life. I mean, hey, I even remember the phone call with Danielle and Ryder when we decided to start a podcast that one wasn't as good. Almost four years later, here we are. And, you know, over all these years and phone calls, AT&T has been there, connecting people in meaningful ways. This is more than a story of technological innovation. It's a story of human connection.

[Danielle Fishel]

Connecting changes everything. AT&T. Well, wait to jump in. Starting our recap. We start in the Matthews garage with Sean, Corey, and Topanga. Sean is looking through boxes and asks, man, how long has it been since anyone cleaned this garage? Which was a shocking first sentence because the first thing I was thinking was, ugh, I wish my garage was this clean.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, your garage is not clean.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, I wouldn't say it's clean. It's not unclean, but there's clutter and I don't like it. Okay, yours is spotless. Let me guess.

[Will Friedle]

Spotless. Spotless.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

There's nothing in my garage.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it's wonderful to have children.

[Ryder Strong]

Hold on. You have nothing in your garage, and yet you keep everything? Where do you keep everything?

[Danielle Fishel]

The guest house again?

[Will Friedle]

I have a couple places to store. You've been to my home? Is my home cluttered in any way,

[Ryder Strong]

shape, or not at all? That's what I mean.

[Will Friedle]

There's ways to keep stuff without it looking like you keep a whole bunch of stuff. So, yeah. First thing you do, though, is have a corfiac removed, and then you get plenty of space.

[Danielle Fishel]

Corey examines a blue bucket and rolls his eyes. Ugh, years. Topanga snatches the bucket out of his hands and puts it in the trash bag. Hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Corey yells. Where do you think you're going with that? Topanga explains. I am taking this garbage bag full of garbage to the garbage. Corey shakes his head. You are so cute when you try to intimidate me. Give me the bag. It's coming home with us. Topanga scoffs. You are incapable of throwing out anything. No, Corey says. I am incapable of throwing out memories from my life. I mean, look around you. This is my childhood here. Shawn picks up a colorful doll. Hey, Corey, you think Morgan still wants strawberry shortcake? Corey nervously takes it from Shawn's hands and presses it against his chest. Yeah, she does.

[Will Friedle]

Those actually smelled like strawberry, didn't they?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes, they did.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I thought. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Corey starts playing with the doll and eventually kisses it. Topanga is disturbed. He explains. She's cute. She's my friend. He returns to looking through the trash bag. I can't believe that you wanted to throw all this out. I mean, look at this. This is a gold mine. Here. He pulls something out of the bag and asks, this is my old retainer. Remember this?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, this is so creepy. Creepy and gross. Just visceral response to this. I was like, oh, God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Same, same, same. He pops it back into his mouth, and Topanga is disgusting, disgusted. Ugh, Corey, I hate that thing. Cory smiles. You didn't say that when we were 11, remember? Kiss me. Come on, just kiss me once. Corey tries to kiss Topanga, but she pushes him away. Ew. No, Corey. All I remember is trapped food particles. Popcorn, Cracker Jacks. Your mouth was like a baseball game. Gross. Cory smacks his lips. M. Nachos.

[Ryder Strong]

This is all just awful.

[Will Friedle]

This was really rough to get through this part. Yuck.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga looks even more disgusted. Shawn pulls out a pair of boxing gloves. Hey, Cor, check these out. Corey remembers, Eric gave those to me. Speaking of, Sean wonders where Eric is. You know, half the stuff is his. Why isn't he helping? Corey says, well, look, I promised my parents I would clean up this garage by the time they got home from vacation, okay? Okay. Doesn't answer the question at all. Besides, Eric would just go through all this old stuff, you know, get all mushy and not let us throw out anything.

[Will Friedle]

Do you think. Do you think by this point, because we knew the show was done, the network wasn't putting more money into it? And it's like, you can have a swing set of the garage or you can have the parents there that week. You can't have both.

[Ryder Strong]

Right?

[Will Friedle]

Right. I mean, do you think that's what it came down to at the end was just all the time?

[Ryder Strong]

Because it doesn't make sense at all, man. No, it doesn't, because there's actually, like, a lack of, like, it's this. This, like. I feel like we repeat the same scene three times in this episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're right.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, so it would be so good to have an insert character, like another voice. And it's so weird that we don't like this.

[Will Friedle]

This. This episode really does lack the adult. Because, again, if you're gonna revert them to children, you want the adult.

[Ryder Strong]

They would have gotten paid anyway.

[Danielle Fishel]

Can I remind you that my theory was that they were really trying to prove that we could do a show ourselves.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Because they had to pay the actors no matter what. We were all produced, so they. It was. It wouldn't.

[Will Friedle]

But we don't know that we were all produced in the later episodes. We don't know that the adults were. They could have been 13 or half or nine. We don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, they were all. All produced.

[Will Friedle]

I would hope so. I mean, again, I would hope so, but again, if you're gonna take the two characters and take Corey and Eric. Eric. And kind of revert them back to children, you do need sort of an adult presence there.

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, not if you're trying to prove to them that that's what the new show's going to be. That these poor young adults navigating life without the grounding force of parents.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, this does not prove that.

[Danielle Fishel]

It does not.

[Will Friedle]

Goes against that theory.

[Ryder Strong]

If we were doing this. The jelly beans in the scale. Yeah, this is one on the. Yeah, not so good. God, I love jelly beans.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga and Sean sarcastically agree in unison. Can't have that. That would be bad. Corey nods. Besides, I'd rather do it with you guys anyway. Topanga then pulls out a handwritten wooden sign that reads, no girls allowed. She yells, Discrimination. Not fair. Not fair. Corey reminisces. Oh, Sean, look, our old clubhouse sign. Shawn laughs. Yeah, no girls allowed. That lasted long. Corey throws his arms up in the air. Hey, I was in love. Topanga adds, and I threatened to sue. Shawn pulls out an old sled and Corey reminisces. This belonged to me and Eric. Boy, this thing's got some memories. Topanga now walks behind the boys wearing a tiara and holding two toy swords. In a British accent, she declares, your queen demands a duel, Lord Hunter. She hands one sword to Sean and then to Corey. Sir, complain a lot. The winner shall get my hand.

[Ryder Strong]

No recollection of this. Like, I feel like this might have been something that got rewritten and thrown at us, like, the day of. Because I don't remember. I love sword fighting. I would have remembered this. I feel like I. No recollection of this. This entire episode. So weird.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, see, you didn't remember this episode at all. I remembered this episode because of the fight. I remembered the choreographing the fight and the punching the guy and all that stuff. That's what I remember about the.

[Ryder Strong]

I feel like I would have. That's what I'm saying. Like, in this, like, I'm running around with a sword. Ben and I are hitting. I was like, this would have been so much fun. Why do I not remember this? Yeah, it's true.

[Danielle Fishel]

I feel like this episode was stressful.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

To shoot. You think?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. I feel like my memory of it is that this was stressful.

[Ryder Strong]

Something was going on. I bet you it was like a last minute rewrite or something.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Something happened. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Cory and Sean look at each other and start chuckling. Then Corey starts the duel. En garde. Do the head. In a Spanish accent. Sean replies, prepare to die, scoundrel. Corey is shocked. Oh, I'm a scoundrel. He's now impressed. That's cool.

[Ryder Strong]

That's cool.

[Danielle Fishel]

All right. Your queen's getting bored. Topanga yells while sitting in her makeshift throne. Can we see some bloodshed? Eric enters just as the boys start dueling and screaming at each other. Sean, you're hurting me. Corey screams. Shawn pushes him back.

[Ryder Strong]

Ow.

[Will Friedle]

Ow.

[Danielle Fishel]

The boys immediately stop fighting when they see Eric, who wonders, hey, you guys having a little party here? Sean responds, no, just hurting your brother. Topanga smiles. Hey, Eric, whatcha up to? Well, apparently not having as much fun as you guys are, he admits. Kori looks down at his sword. Yeah, we're just cleaning out the garage. You know, I've been meaning to go through this stuff for a while. Eric nods. Oh, okay. So this was your idea? Awkwardly, Cory says, yes. Then Topanga chimes in. Sean and I are just helping out. Then they walk away. Now alone. Eric lets Corey know, you know, this would have been fun to do together. Corey pats his older brother on the back. Come on, Eric. You know it's not a big deal. Besides, I didn't want you to waste a Saturday. Eric isn't dropping it. Oh, but you didn't mind asking Shawn to waste a Saturday. Corey insists, no. Shawn loves this stuff. Remember where he's from? Sean, now holding a paint can, agrees. I do love trash. He pulls Topanga in for a hug, and she sticks her tongue out at him. I guess you're trash.

[Will Friedle]

Kidding.

[Danielle Fishel]

Is that like a cute. Is that like a cute little moment between.

[Will Friedle]

Usanga. Moment,

[Ryder Strong]

trash.

[Danielle Fishel]

Best friends forever.

[Ryder Strong]

Anything to lighten this up, because at

[Will Friedle]

this point, I'm like, I did. I came in. Yeah, coming in hot. And it's like, start somewhere else and then grow to that. It's like, instead, I just walked in. Just angry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes, like, if you walked in, hurt. Like, oh. Oh, my gosh. What are you guys. Can I play swords? You know, like, I love these swords. What are you doing? We're cleaning this stuff out. What do you mean? You mean you're getting rid of it? Yeah, we're having a garage sale.

[Ryder Strong]

Suddenly it's a scene. It's a change. No, he comes in pissed and stays there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Well, I mean, that would have been interesting if his parents didn't tell him either. Like, nobody's telling. But then you need the parents there because it's like nobody tells Eric anything ever.

[Danielle Fishel]

Then what's so confusing? Because in this same scene is where now Eric drops off. That. Drops the news that he. This was supposed to be them. Said this.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I ha. The line. The way it's written is really crazy. So I stick my tongue out at you, and Eric isn't buying it. Okay, so let me understand this. You decided on your own to go through our stuff involving your wife and your best friend, who, incidentally, has a brother of his own to do this kind of stuff with, but you didn't call me. Corey doesn't get it. It's not a big deal. But Sean sees the writing on the wall. Maybe we should go. No, no, no, no, no. You guys stay. Eric says he probably doesn't get a chance to see you a whole lot anyway. Raises his voice. Eric, come on. Don't be like this, okay? Stay and we'll all. Eric cuts him off. By the way, I forgot to tell you. Dad called last night and he wanted me and you to look for Grandpa's toolbox after calling you about you calling me about us cleaning out the garage together. See, we were supposed to do this together.

[Ryder Strong]

It's clear as mother's milk. Say that all again. He called me to tell that he called.

[Danielle Fishel]

Dad called last night and he wanted me and you to look for Grandpa's toolbox after calling you about you calling me about us cleaning out the garage together.

[Ryder Strong]

What?

[Will Friedle]

What about that? Don't you get?

[Ryder Strong]

It does add up. It's just not the way human beings talk.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no. And it's. And that's the. That's the premise now.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

For the. For this entire thing. Dad asked you to call me so that we could do this together.

[Will Friedle]

Together. Right.

[Ryder Strong]

And I'm upset that you decided not to.

[Danielle Fishel]

Decided on your own accord that you'd rather do this with Sean and Topanga.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Great. Love that. That's a great setup. That needs a proper setup. And ideally, not coming from you.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

And also not. It should have nothing to do with Grandpa's toolbox. You added something that is completely unnecessary.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

We're supposed to clean out the garage together. I mean, that's basically all you needed. And instead you decided to not call me.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I love the idea of had Alan and Amy been in the episode for them to be like, we started going through the garage and we realized these aren't our things. These are your things, your memories. You have to decide what's important to hold on to and what you're willing to let go.

[Ryder Strong]

Of right?

[Danielle Fishel]

And then, okay, great, we'll do that.

[Ryder Strong]

But also, just even a real situation. Corey gets rid of something that Eric wants to keep. Like, you know, that's the implied situation for the rest of the episode. But if that was the. Yeah, but what if it was the start of the episode, like, you got rid of the sled. That was my sled. You know, Boom. Now it's a real conflict.

[Danielle Fishel]

Now we're in the student union. Rachel and Sean have coffees in hand and are making their way to Angela on the couch. Rachel notes, you know, it must have been fun doing a big clean out like that and go through old stuff you haven't seen in years. Sean responds sarcastically, well, it started out fun. Rachel turns to Angela. You know what? I love that she doesn't have any follow up questions.

[Ryder Strong]

So they're just not. Here's some exposition about where we are in the episode.

[Will Friedle]

Trina and Maitland, they just. They now walk onto an episode. They listen to stuff going on. They have three lines or so and they walk little comments like, man, it's rough. It's rough.

[Danielle Fishel]

But there's. Well, it started out fun. No. Whoa. What happened? Tell me more. Just. Angela, we should also do that. It's so, so bad. Okay. Rachel turns to Angela.

[Will Friedle]

You know what?

[Danielle Fishel]

It wouldn't hurt us to do some spring cleaning. Angela raises her eyebrows. Great idea, Rachel. Why don't you start now and I'll catch up with you like in the fall. Jack is in the coffee shop too, playing pool. Shawn approaches the table. You know, you know, Jack, Eric said something interesting before that got me thinking. Jack is concerned. Wait a minute. Eric got you thinking? Sean nods. He seemed well rested anyway. When dad died, you and I agreed that Jack cuts him off. Deal. Shawn is confused. Deal. Jack goes on, yeah, no, I was thinking the same thing. You and I should get closer. Spend more time together. And Sean's face lighten lights up and he finishes Jack's sentence. Start acting like real brothers. They both seem excited. Jack wonders, so you want to do something later? Sean has a different idea. How about now? Jack stands. I'm up for anything. Jack can't contain himself. Sounds like a blast. I'm having fun already. Is that you or is that Sean?

[Ryder Strong]

I think Sean.

[Will Friedle]

He is by this point, Matt has slowly over the years and now we're officially there. Turned into Tom Cruise. Yeah, like by this point with the hair and every. I mean he just. The build and everything. He just looks like Tom Cruise. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sean can't contain Himself. Sounds like a blast. I'm having fun already. Shawn hugs Jack and they start ceremoniously patting each other on the back. Angela and Rachel look on in confusion, but Rachel's still thinking about earlier. So why exactly don't you want to clean with me? Angela smiles. Oh, it's not that I don't want to. It's just that I'm not going to. A focused Eric enters the coffee shop and walks right up to Sean and Jack. I have theories, you know. Jack's apprehensive. About what? I don't know, eric admits. Then he looks to Sean. I just want to say I'm sorry about before. I was just upset. Shawn says he understands. It's okay. Then all the boys glance at each other and scratch their beards. In unison, they comment, she's going in nice.

[Will Friedle]

Do you not. You don't remember this? We added on show night. We added this on show night and we were like, hey, it's coming in. Which, by the way, it's not. I might have the worst beard in the history of beards in this show. Like just the little patch here for some reason that I was like, that looks awesome. Like what? What was I thinking with that? Oh yeah, Awful. Awful.

[Danielle Fishel]

Regrettable.

[Ryder Strong]

It's so bad.

[Will Friedle]

But your goatees at least are better than mine.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't even really notice yours. I don't like it. Mine is like a.

[Will Friedle]

It's between the second and third chin. It's like right here on me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Cut it out.

[Will Friedle]

And it's just the little patch.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric then walks over to the couch and sits next to Rachel just as Corey enters. Hey, Eric, I've been looking for you. Eric plainly states, well, you found me. Corey continues, listen, I just want to apologize about before. You know, the reason I didn't call you was not because I didn't want you to be there. Eric sits at attention. I'm listening, Corey goes on, because that's not what I was thinking. Eric wants to know more. Okay, so what were you thinking? Well, I wasn't really thinking anything. Corey admits. It's not that big of a deal. I mean, maybe we'll do it again sometime. Eric nods, looking forward to that. Corey starts walking toward the counter, but Eric isn't done. So then why are you apologizing? This stops Corey dead in his tracks. Well, I'm apologizing because you seemed hurt. Eric nods again. That's very considerate. Turning back to the counter, Corey says, no problem. However, Eric passive aggressively continues, are you really sorry or are you just sorry you got caught. Jack observes the argument from the pool table and says to Sean, you know, you're right. He does seem well rested. Corey walks back to Eric. Come on, this is stupid. All right? It's no big deal. We'll go home and forget this ever happened. We'll clean out the garage and be done with it. Eric has an idea, though. You know what? While we're at it, why don't we move all that crap to the end of the driveway and just sell it? Corey seems sad. Why would you want to have a garage sale? I mean, that's like our childhood. Eric is obviously still annoyed and upset. Well, I mean, yeah, but as you said, it doesn't really matter. Why don't we just sell it? Split the money. Right. Split the money right down the center. And then, you know, we can be done with it. Go back to the way it used to be, you know? Hi. How are you doing? Fine. How are you doing? No need to apologize for anything. Eric walks away, and Corey is left wondering. What happened to the sneezing lottery numbers guy?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, he was just there last week.

[Ryder Strong]

Just put his helmet on. Was that last week, wasn't it?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

I'm trying to.

[Ryder Strong]

No, last week was. Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Danielle Fishel]

God. 717.

[Ryder Strong]

The swings.

[Will Friedle]

No, 718. Might have been how you got your groove back.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was. Yeah, how we got.

[Will Friedle]

No, but that is the sneezing. The lottery. Oh, for the love of God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. All right. So then we're in the guy's apartment. Jack and Sean are hanging out as brothers, but things look very awkward. Jack finally breaks the silence. How about a movie? Can't believe it took him this long for someone to recommend a movie. Sean leaps up from the couch. Perfect. This is gonna be great. Jack is just as jazzed. Yeah. You know, I'm so glad we're finally doing this. Sean looks through movie options. So what do you want to see? Jack pats his brother on the back. Anything. As long as we're together, buddy. Sean asks, you mind subtitles? Jack nervously wonders, you mean like a foreign movie? Sean quickly realizes that a movie probably isn't the best idea and calls an audible. I know. Bowling Jack isn't sold. Huh? Did you ever smell those rental shoes? But are you hungry? Sean shakes his head. I know.

[Will Friedle]

Who doesn't like bowling?

[Danielle Fishel]

Come on. With all the movies. With all the movies, you can't.

[Will Friedle]

You guys can't pick one movie.

[Danielle Fishel]

One movie.

[Ryder Strong]

Can't pick a movie.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't even like movies. And I can find.

[Ryder Strong]

It's got to be a Van Damme movie. Plane. Something. You think?

[Will Friedle]

What is this? This is 99, 2000.

[Ryder Strong]

We're always talking about Van Damme movies.

[Will Friedle]

We're a little past Van Damme. We're past the Van damage.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sean shakes his head. I just ate. But I could watch you eat. Jack sits down. Maybe we're trying too hard, you know? But then he has an idea. Why don't we just go work out? Sean immediately rejects the idea. I don't do that. Sean paces the kitchen and finally asks, you like poetry? Jack quickly replies, I like riddles.

[Ryder Strong]

That's a great line.

[Will Friedle]

It's a great reading. Like riddles. So random. Like riddles.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sean then suggests them all, and Jack suggests the bank.

[Ryder Strong]

Why the bank? What is he gonna do?

[Will Friedle]

Money.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

He likes money.

[Danielle Fishel]

Count money. For the last couple episodes, Sean asks, confused. Changing the subject, he wonders how the garage sale is going. Jack asks, you want to go check it out now? Didn't the garage sale conversation just happen while you guys were here?

[Ryder Strong]

Or did I think it's another day? Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Time passes. That's why they're.

[Ryder Strong]

Now it's like the next day in the apartment.

[Danielle Fishel]

You guys are okay.

[Will Friedle]

Got it. And we still live together. Right?

[Ryder Strong]

That's what I mean.

[Will Friedle]

I'm.

[Ryder Strong]

I live with them. So aren't all three of us.

[Will Friedle]

All the time we have together?

[Ryder Strong]

We like our roommates.

[Will Friedle]

Right?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like all of our downtime is probably together.

[Will Friedle]

So just to. Just to get the. The. The. The situation's correct. Cory and Topanga live together.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Angela and Rachel live together in one of the dorms. And then the three boys live together in that same apartment. Copy that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. But I do think the implication with the brother situation is that Sean is spending all his free time with Angela. So because of his relationship, he's not spending time with his brother.

[Ryder Strong]

Sure.

[Danielle Fishel]

Or he's with his best friend. Maybe even just the four of us.

[Will Friedle]

Gotcha. And Jack's too ugly to get a woman.

[Danielle Fishel]

Correct.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Makes sense.

[Danielle Fishel]

He has money. He's gorgeous money.

[Ryder Strong]

And he looks like a super.

[Danielle Fishel]

Talk to anybody.

[Will Friedle]

Can't get out of the apartment. Yeah, exactly.

[Danielle Fishel]

He would be so busy with ladies.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly.

[Danielle Fishel]

Then. So they're going to leave to go check out the garage sale. They both happily finally leave the apartment with plans. Now we're at the garage sale. Corey and Eric are moving their things around for the big day. In complete silence, Corey looks over at Eric's table. You're gonna sell that Sled? Eric wonders. Yeah, why not? Corey shrugs. Well, we had a lot of fun on that sled. Eric looks off into the distance and smiles. Yeah, we did. What do you think? Two bucks?

[Will Friedle]

I was, like, so angry. It was like, wow, Isn't.

[Danielle Fishel]

Isn't this kind of what Eric wants?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

For Corey to be like, he's just being a dick? I mean, yeah, I think he's purposely just being.

[Ryder Strong]

Also, there's another K in the household. They're getting rid of the sled when there's two other kids first.

[Danielle Fishel]

No other children.

[Will Friedle]

No, that's true. Also, here's the thing that made me realize, and it made me a little bit sad, is neither of you grew up with a sled. The idea that you have a sled or that there's gonna be a snow day at school the next day, and you wake up and you have to listen to the radio, it's such a different thing. And so for people who did grow up with sleds, those kind of sleds sucked. Oh, yeah, they were terrible. You never. The kid with that said, because it was. It had the two metal runners, you needed a very specific type of snow to make that thing work. Whereas what you wanted is. You want just the regular plastic.

[Ryder Strong]

Could you turn. Did you have rope on that kind of sled to pull it to turn? Like, how does that slide?

[Will Friedle]

They would put rope on there? Wait, the one that they're selling?

[Ryder Strong]

That's in the show? Yeah, yeah.

[Will Friedle]

No. So you saw. There's a. There's literally, it looks like there's like a hanger at the top that you put your hands on that and that

[Ryder Strong]

you lay down on it.

[Will Friedle]

You lay down on it and you gotcha. You turn the sled like that.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, okay.

[Will Friedle]

And so that. Those were the ones where it was like, oh, I've got to take those. You wanted either the toboggan, which is the long wooden one that had the. The curled front, or you wanted, like, the cheap plastic ones. Because the thing about the cheap plastic ones was you would just go at a thousand miles an hour. You couldn't steer it. And God forbid somebody got to the hill before you and placed a jump you didn't know was there. It was like you would hit that thing at 4.

[Ryder Strong]

My wife broke her back.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

That's our family sled memory.

[Will Friedle]

That was my wife breaking. That's what.

[Ryder Strong]

That's what Andy will think about with sleds.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's.

[Will Friedle]

That's. That was sledding. That's how it was. And it's just that was it. Like oh my God, I just hit a jump that somebody put there at 40. Yeah, it was. Sledding was awesome. Until it wasn't.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, Summer is busy.

[Will Friedle]

Cookouts, vacations and farmer tans. That means more keeping up around the house.

[Ryder Strong]

Luckily, during Lowe's Memorial Day event, household upkeep is easier for less.

[Will Friedle]

Right now. Save $80 on a Char Broil Performance Series 4 burner gas grill. Just $199 so you can keep the

[Danielle Fishel]

food coming all summer long.

[Will Friedle]

Plus get up to 45% off. Select major appliances to keep dishes, clothes and food fresh.

[Ryder Strong]

Summer is here. And so is the season's best lineup

[Will Friedle]

at Lowe's, valid through May 27, while supplies last selection varies by location. See associate or lowes.com for details.

[Danielle Fishel]

Cat Parents, gather round. Ryder and I have some important advice to share.

[Ryder Strong]

Guys, we have to stick together.

[Will Friedle]

Guys.

[Ryder Strong]

Those of us with fur babies know the struggle. We understand the feeling of being ignored by our cats.

[Danielle Fishel]

But that's why we're here to help. Because sometimes I find myself wondering, does my cat even love me?

[Ryder Strong]

And there's only one solution to solve that. Sheba.

[Danielle Fishel]

You could be adored by everyone and still completely ignored by your cat.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

Even the pickiest eater will love their new grilled entrees.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Which my bill is. But we don't call him old. We call him except experienced.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Treat your cats right and introduce them to the delicious delicacies of Sheba.

[Ryder Strong]

To learn more, check out sheba.com Summertime is here.

[Will Friedle]

And you know what that means.

[Danielle Fishel]

Beach trips?

[Ryder Strong]

Family vacations?

[Will Friedle]

Nope. It means it's time to find your next obsession on Prime Video.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh yes, we do love a good obsession here. Especially when you could talk about for years and suggest to everyone you know.

[Ryder Strong]

Steamy romance, addictive Love stories and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice.

[Danielle Fishel]

Because when a story hits, it really hits off campus.

[Will Friedle]

L. The Love Hypothesis and much, much more.

[Ryder Strong]

Slow burns. Second chances chemistry. You can feel through the screen the

[Danielle Fishel]

type of binge worthy shows and can't miss movies where you're fully invested, staying up all night just to finish it. Just one more. Oh, all right. 1. You know the feeling.

[Will Friedle]

The kind of stories that pull you in and don't let go in the best way.

[Ryder Strong]

Your next obsession is waiting.

[Danielle Fishel]

Watch only on Prime. You know that moment when your kid asks for your phone and you're already bracing yourself for whatever random video they'll disappear into? That's why I started handing them Lingokids instead. It's still screen time, but not that kind of screen time. With Lingokids, they're actually playing, singing, tapping, exploring stories they're learning without the need to complain about it. And I love that it's colorful, high energy and designed so kids stay curious instead of just turning into media zombies. They think they're getting a treat, but I know I'm giving them something special built just for them. Lingokids. Everything kids love. Download the Lingokids app now on your phone or tablet. It's free. Corey rolls his eyes. Yeah, two bucks. The boys go back to work in silence. Corey eventually asks, do you remember the time when we. When the school was closed down for two days and we took the sled to Dead Man's Hill?

[Will Friedle]

Always a Dead Man's Hill or a Dead Man's Curve. In every movie from the 50s on, there's a dead man. Something. Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

Watching this, especially this episode and this scene in particular, really reminded me of how much Ben, when he was doing a serious scene, would pretend that something was in his mouth.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

You alright?

[Will Friedle]

He would. Oh my God, what a weird unlocked memory. He would.

[Ryder Strong]

Do you remember when curling his tongue? Yeah. That's so funny. Oh my God. He totally did.

[Will Friedle]

That's right. I wonder. Hokumi did that.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. And then he would do this with his hands like right. He would like tap like the middle.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, we all had our thing, so mine. Mine was clicking the top of soda cans. What were yours?

[Danielle Fishel]

Mine is standing with my hands on the back of my sands. Hands here.

[Will Friedle]

I don't know man.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm such a dramatic scene in every.

[Ryder Strong]

Such a dramatic walker. Do you notice how I'm always like swinging.

[Will Friedle]

I'm like.

[Ryder Strong]

I was watching myself in the back of the student union episode, like carrying coffee, like I'm splashing coffee Everywhere. Cuz the way I'm moving, I'm just so, like.

[Will Friedle]

It's a bit CRO Magnon in the way that I swagger into position.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, I, I definitely.

[Danielle Fishel]

Your skinny little legs are having to carry enormous Jinko jeans, heavy boots and how many books in those pockets?

[Will Friedle]

And a goatee. And now a goatee. Top of everything. Jeez, you were top heavy at this point. It was a little humanoid. There's times where you're walking.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my God, dude, it's so. It's ridiculous.

[Will Friedle]

It was like a baby bird.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my gosh. My arms are in the exact same position in every single scene. It's so annoying.

[Will Friedle]

We got our little actor thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh my God, just the worst. Coldly, Eric says he remembers. Corey goes on. And then we. We were sliding down that hill so fast, we couldn't stop. Cory.

[Ryder Strong]

Four.

[Danielle Fishel]

Four car pile out.

[Will Friedle]

Ah, Dead man's curve.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric laughs. Yeah, dad was so mad, he locked us in our room for two weeks. Corey smiles. Yeah, but it was a lot of fun, huh? Eric lowers the price book. 50.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like, what?

[Danielle Fishel]

Jesus.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it was. That's when I was kind of like, all right, Eric, 35 times. He's trying to make it right. Like, what are you still.

[Ryder Strong]

Come on.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Then he walks back. At any point, he could have said, like, see, this is the stuff I wanted to do. These are the things I wanted. This is why I wanted to clean out the garage with you. Because I love these memories. Like, at any point, this could be resolved now.

[Will Friedle]

For Corey. Not for Eric. Not for Eric.

[Danielle Fishel]

We have a tense commercial break and return to a now crowded garage sale. Potential buyers are everywhere. Topanga is counting money at a front table. When Rachel and Angela arrive with their own boxes. Rachel is impressed. This looks great. Topanga thanks her and asks what they brought. Rachel reveals. Angela and I decided it would be a lot of fun to clean out our room. She shoots daggers directly at Angela. Angela sarcastically adds, and guess what? It wasn't. Rachel laughs. Well, anyway, we found a lot of great stuff. Eric walks over and loves what he sees. Hey, look at all that stuff. That's great. Put it on that table over there. There's plenty of space. Rachel goes to unload her box, but Angela stops her. Wait a minute. This is my purse. Rachel explains. Angela. It's been on the floor for three months. Offended, Angela is shocked by the price tag. A dollar 72. Topanga chimes in. Ooh, I'll take it. And grabs the purse with a smile.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, was that also. The purse was that the purse that rud. That. That Sean finds and goes through. That's why I thought there was going to be a callback to that. Where she's like, this is why Sean and I got together.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can't sell.

[Will Friedle]

I'll give you five bucks for it. So, like that. That's a funny joke. Yeah, that's what I thought it was gonna be. I couldn't tell. I was like, is that the same bag or not?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't remember. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric slowly picks up a little pink top with interest. Rachel, did you wear this? Rachel looks confused. She says she used to.

[Ryder Strong]

Weird and creepy and like out of nowhere.

[Will Friedle]

Guarantee you in one of the drafts it was her panties.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, yeah. Cause you say, I'll give you 50 bucks for them.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I will guarantee you in a draft it was panties.

[Danielle Fishel]

He says, them?

[Ryder Strong]

Really?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. He says, I'll give you 50 bucks for them.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. I will guarantee you it was panties.

[Ryder Strong]

It's so weird.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Just the Rachel obsession. It's never goes away. It never goes away. It's like, yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

No,

[Will Friedle]

sold.

[Danielle Fishel]

Topanga is confused. Why do you want Rachel's old tank top? Eric gets a creepy look on his face. I'm a collector. And then he walks away. Now, at another table, Corey approaches him with a baseball mitt. Hey, Eric, you know I don't want to sell my glove. That's not how he says. Hey, Eric.

[Will Friedle]

Hey, Eric, I don't want to sell my glove.

[Ryder Strong]

Hey, Eric. Exclamation point.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hey.

[Will Friedle]

Hey, Eric.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric.

[Will Friedle]

And then Eric says, you make it a dollar,

[Danielle Fishel]

72 cents.

[Ryder Strong]

What kind of brother are you? I'm a better brother.

[Will Friedle]

He was a little angry this episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric corrects him. That's my glove. Corey reminds him. But you gave it to me. Eric takes the mitt out of Corey's hands. Yeah, well, now I'm taking it back. Corey sighs. What is your problem?

[Will Friedle]

Fair question.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric is quick to respond. Look, I don't have a problem. It's a garage sale core, you know, why don't we just sell it? You don't use it, I don't use it. Let's just be done with it. Right? Then a jovial Sean and Jack arrive at the garage sale, cackling, arms wrapped around each other, over exaggerated.

[Will Friedle]

This is such a rider moment to me. Oh my God, this was so Ryder strong. Just, I'm gonna ham it up as much as I can. The laughing hanging over. I was like, oh my God. There's no Sean there at all.

[Ryder Strong]

That's all.

[Will Friedle]

Just Ryder.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just Ryder. Yeah, that's funny, this guy. He's funny. Shawn laughs. Corey asks, what's so funny. Jack explains, oh, I don't really know. You know, it's just like we've been laughing for the past three hours. Corey lies. Eric and I have been doing the same thing. Topanga walks up and wonders what the new best friend brothers have been up to. Jack says, oh, a little of this, a little of that. And Sean says, and time's just been flying.

[Ryder Strong]

Flying.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, bud. Up high. Up high. Jack aggressively high fives Shawn as he walks to Corey. This felt very much like my mat moment. Not as. Not as. But I see them come in laughing. I come around and I literally say, what have you guys been up to? And Jack says, oh, a little of this, a little of that. And I just turn around and walk away.

[Will Friedle]

Well, you got your answer.

[Ryder Strong]

Did you also notice how bad the lighting is in this scene? Yeah, there are shadows. Is it really everybody's face?

[Will Friedle]

Really?

[Ryder Strong]

We are shadowing each other constantly. It's like they suddenly forgot how to light the scene. And I think it's because the previous scene took place in the garage.

[Danielle Fishel]

Deeper. And then.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, deeper in. So then we're out of that. And so the whole lighting grid is not adjusted for being out here. So we are constantly putting shadows on each other's faces. It's so distracting. I was like, what is going on? Like, our show lost the ability to light. Yeah, I guess they just decided they couldn't relight between going in the garage and out of the garage. And it sucks.

[Will Friedle]

I also can't remember if this was. I mean, I imagine this was pre taped.

[Danielle Fishel]

I would think I would. Yeah, I would imagine.

[Ryder Strong]

But then you would have redone the grid. I don't know, man. It's bad. I think it was on a.

[Danielle Fishel]

He puts his arm around his best friend and quietly confides in him. Oh, man, help me out here. I am dying. He is so freaking boring. Jack is also complaining to Eric. Take me out of this misery, man. You got any guns for sale? And that's when a man walks up to Eric with a pair of slippers. Excuse me, how much are these? Eric is caught off guard. I didn't know those were for sale. The man doesn't care. I'll give you five bucks for him. Eric quickly counters, not understanding how a garage sale or commerce works. I'll give you 20. Who also is

[Will Friedle]

gonna buy used slippers at a garage sale for $5? Yeah, like, give them something that you would actually use. I mean, just the idea of that is like. Nobody's gonna buy used slippers. Nobody.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. What if they're not used? What if they were just never used?

[Ryder Strong]

Baby shoes. Never worn. Yeah. Something's weird. Oh, that's a. The shortest short story ever written.

[Will Friedle]

You know that?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Yeah. The saddest.

[Ryder Strong]

Saddest, saddest. Six words be different with exclamation points. Baby shoes. Exclamation point. $2 never worn.

[Danielle Fishel]

The man accepts the deal, and Eric is thrilled. They shake hands, and Eric thinks he pulled a fast one. Corey walks over, but Eric is anything but happy to see him. Corey is annoyed. Eric, come on. Why are you being such a jerk? Before he can answer, a lady walks over with a picture frame in hand. Excuse me, honey. How much is this frame? He barely looks at her. Just one second. Then he turns back to his brother. Look, Eric, I've apologized a hundred times, all right? What do you want me to do? Eric, still just focusing on his table of offerings, says nothing. The lady with the frame looks at the item while she waits. It couldn't be very much because there's a scratch on it. Corey looks back at her. Look, lady, just one second. I can't wait here forever. The lady says, frustrated. He asks for one second and returns his focus to Eric. I'm not a mind reader, okay? What do you want me to do? The lady chimes in one more time. You're not going to sell anything if you ignore the customers. Corey turns back to the lady. He's had enough. Could you be any more annoying? The man who bought the slippers from Eric now walks up. Hey, buddy, watch your mouth. That's my wife. Corey laughs and doesn't back down. Could she be any more annoying? The man does not appreciate the question and punches Corey right in the face.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Eric comes out of nowhere, out of nowhere. It's like, what? A conflict with strangers.

[Danielle Fishel]

Strangers.

[Will Friedle]

Pretty aggressive.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, why is Corey so.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. Eric immediately starts punching the man in the stomach while yelling with his grunt, that's my brother. Nobody hits my brother. But to his dismay, the man stands right back up, unfazed by the punches. And he looks even angrier than when Corey insulted his wife. Eric quickly tries to make light of the situation. So a guy walks into a bar, but the man just starts wailing on Eric. Knowing his brother is in trouble. Corey jumps on the man's back. That's my brother. Corey, Eric and the man are rolling around on the floor when his wife joins in. She's hitting him with a weapon. Her purse. Eventually, everyone except topanga in the garage sale, starts fighting. It's utter chaos. It's the Royal Rumble.

[Will Friedle]

It's also a very badly choreographed fight scene. They're, like, picking Shawn up at one point, and it's like, why is he in somebody's arms? And he gets carried away. It was. Yeah, it was a strange melee.

[Danielle Fishel]

I looked to see what I was doing. I go and sit back in the queen's chair with a mug.

[Ryder Strong]

Are you serious?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. I walk over and sit in the chair and watch like this.

[Will Friedle]

Because I think you like the violence. That's what they set up before.

[Danielle Fishel]

I love it.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Love the violence. That's so Topanga.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, very much so.

[Danielle Fishel]

To love the bloodshed, you know, again,

[Will Friedle]

it's not topanga anymore. It's Mrs. Matthews, different character.

[Danielle Fishel]

What do you remember about the blocking or choreography of this? I mean, I'm assuming there was a stunt man there. And, like, what do you remember about the fight?

[Will Friedle]

So I remember working on it with the other actor, who, again, I'm sorry, what was his name?

[Danielle Fishel]

Man, man, man. Jesse Corty.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I remember working on it with Jesse, who was a very. Is it is a very good actor. I've seen him on West Wing and other things. He's a very good actor and was very giving actor. So, you know, especially when you don't know somebody, they're a guest star, and you come in and then you have to do something physical or a fight scene or something like that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So, yeah, I remember him and I working on it, how it was going to be with Ben. And, you know, again, by this point, I think it was just kind of. We might have had a stunt person there. Probably by law, we had to have a stunt person there, but it was just us going, hey, then I'll bunch you like this. Because it wasn't like, you know, being thrown around or anything crazy. It was the other stuff going on around that got a little ridiculous, where it's like, why are they picking up Sean? Like, what's happening there?

[Danielle Fishel]

So why does everyone start.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, what would happen is those two people would fight. They'd form a pile in the middle, and everyone would circle around, either try to break them up or, you know, nowadays take out their phones and film it. Yes, but. So, yeah, it's. It was just. It was a. It's a sitcom fight. It's a Friday night sitcom fight.

[Danielle Fishel]

Corey, Eric and Topanga are in the hospital waiting room. Eric's face is bloody and bruised. He's holding an ice pack in his hand. You know what I'm gonna hang out here just to make sure everything works out okay. Topanga agrees. I think you should. And realizes the boys have things to work out. I'm gonna go get some coffee from the cafeteria now. Alone, the boys sit in silence, both obviously in pain. After a little while, Eric wonders, how's the arm? Corey looks up. Well, I won't be using that catcher's mitt anytime soon. Eric smiles. Well, that's good, because I sold it for a dime.

[Ryder Strong]

Jesus.

[Danielle Fishel]

Corey admits. You know, Eric, I really appreciate the way you had my back today. And, you know, thanks for waiting with me here, too. Eric flips through a magazine. You rifle through magazines so fast in this scene.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, business.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was taking page, page, page.

[Will Friedle]

I'm taking it all too. That's how fast I read. That's how fast I was taking it all in.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric flips through a magazine. It's okay. Corey is adamant.

[Will Friedle]

No.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, it's not okay. I mean, because you're my brother. And today you reminded me how important it is to have a big brother to look out for you. And I'd like to think that I'd be there for you too. Too. Eric nods again. I'm sure you would. Corey continues. Because that's what being brothers is all about, right? Being there for each other when one of us is in trouble. Eric closes the magazine and puts it on the table. Yeah, as long as we don't have to see each other in between, right? Corey doesn't get it. Eric asks, what about when we're not in trouble, Cor? Well, we can do stuff.

[Ryder Strong]

Corey responds, eric is just not letting this go.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, no.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, Cory is really heartfelt things.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

All episode. Frankly, that's the thing. It's. He's really. He's apologized now. This is like. This is to Danielle's point where it's like we've seen the same scene over and over again. It's just. Yeah, he's apologized 10 times at this point.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow.

[Will Friedle]

And that's why I wish there was some build to Eric. He started situation and he ended there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eric isn't so sure. I don't know. Today was a pretty big day. You know, a garage sale, a fist fight. Ended up in the emergency room. I'm not sure we can count on this kind of thing happening all the time. Time. Corey leans in. Eric, look, I'm really trying here. I just. I just want everything to be all right with us. Eric points to himself, then Corey. Big brother, little brother, I have your back. You have mine. That's it. Corey's losing his patience. Damn it, Eric. Is this all because I didn't let you clean out the stupid garage? All right, I'm sorry. Now what do you want from me? Eric raises his voice, too. Look, it's not about the garage, okay? It's about the fact that you shut me out of your life a long time ago. Ago. Corey is confused and says that isn't the case. Eric is getting animated. Well, let's look at it this way. We used to do stuff together, and now we don't. Corey is offended. Yeah, we do. Eric wants to know when Corey stutters. We. We just spent the whole day together. Eric looks even angrier now today. Oh, yeah, you're right. I forgot. You know something? I take it back. It is about cleaning the stupid garage. Dad wanted us to do that together, and you chose to leave me out. Those are our memories. Do you have any idea how it felt to go down there and see Shawn and Topanga there instead of me? It's starting to sink in for Corey. Look, Eric, we're brothers, okay? Eric cuts him off. You know what? You're right. We're brothers. We're not friends. It means you don't have to like me and you don't. With that, Eric storms off. Topanga walks in with two coffees just as Eric is leaving. What happened? She asks. And Cory just sighs.

[Will Friedle]

And that's. That's it.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's it.

[Will Friedle]

That's it for the Eric and Cory storyline. Until Eric comes in and shoves him once. Which again, is very.

[Ryder Strong]

Part of.

[Will Friedle]

That's very real in that it's very brotherly. But it's also. It's. That's the whole conclusion.

[Danielle Fishel]

It feels like there were a lot of. A lot of emotional truths about certain relationships. Let's just say brothers. In this case at least this particular brother relationship, which is like, I used to be your favorite person and now your life doesn't feel like it is time for me as being one. One aspect of the storyline which Topanga brings up. Yes. The other storyline really seems to be. You know what? I guess as your definition of being brothers means that we're only there for each other when one of us is in trouble. And my definition of brothers would be. Be that we shouldn't have to. Yeah. That we should be friends. And that I want you to like me.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then the other storyline is. But even when you really frustrate me and you hurt my feelings, I am always your brother.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll always be there And I'm always going to be there for you, even when we don't have a resolution to our fight. And I come in and I play like that's where the button is. But like, I feel like those are all totally interesting points and maybe some of them could have been blended a little better. I'm not sure what the takeaway of this episode, what the real lesson was. I think it got a little muddled.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Maybe the idea was a good one, but the execution wasn't great.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. And again, I think maybe just too many characters to service.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. But I still. Yeah, again, I think the way I watched it was just different. I think it hit me differently.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Brother. I mean, relationships with brothers is complicated.

[Ryder Strong]

It really is.

[Will Friedle]

We all have brothers, all of us here. And we all know that they. They. They're living, breathing things. The relationships themselves. I don't mean the brothers. I mean the relationship.

[Ryder Strong]

You have to feed them. They. They require water.

[Will Friedle]

You don't. They feed themselves. No, I meant the relationships are living, breathing things that are very complicated.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. That night in the garage, Corey, now in a wrist brace, is putting away boxes from the garage sale. He sees a blue bike and longingly stares at it. Topanga walks in holding a plate and sits down on a workbench. I think I sit on a ladder.

[Will Friedle]

But whatever you and I were trying to figure out, by the way, took most of the night, as most of our conversation. What kind of sandwich do you think that was? Because it was thin.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's peanut butter and jelly.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I thought. Or we thought a one slice bologna, one slice.

[Danielle Fishel]

Could be white, could be one slice bologna, one slice cheese.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's definitely not turkey because you agree

[Will Friedle]

that you'd see the pile. Or any kind of.

[Danielle Fishel]

And there was nothing that had. And there's nothing that had lettuce, anything. Again. Again, I didn't even see any mayo, so I. Yeah, and if it's peanut butter and jelly, it's not a good

[Will Friedle]

one because it's very thin. That's like, this is all we had left. Eat it and shut up.

[Ryder Strong]

Kind of important. This is. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Well, you didn't even notice it.

[Ryder Strong]

Nope. Sandwich.

[Danielle Fishel]

Corey points to the bike. So many days spent trying to master this. And then that magical day when everything clicked. Go, Eric, stay up there. You can do this. That's cute. Funny, Topanga, smile, Miles. You guys did a lot of things together. Corey somberly agrees and puts the bike in the corner. Yeah, we did, but that was a long time ago. Topanga offers him a Sandwich and some help. Cory reminds her, no, that's what got me into trouble in the first place. He doesn't get it. Am I wrong here? I mean, if I did something wrong, tell me. Well, I. Topanga starts, but Corey cuts her off. I mean, I realize that I'm not the perfect brother, okay, but neither is he. I mean, we're talking about Eric here. Here. She agrees. He rattles on. The guy's a total screw up. I mean, we spent our wedding night in jail because of him, remember? Topanka smiles. I remember having one of the most amazing weddings in the best hotel in Philadelphia because of him frantically moving boxes. Corey continues ranting, but it's not like we're still kids anymore. I mean, we're adults now. We have our own lives. Let him get a wife and try to keep up with everybody. Topanga sarcastically asks you like that cast. And then threatens him. You can have another one. Corey moves on. Look, I did everything I could possibly do to try and patch things, okay? He rejected me every step of the way. He's the one that sold our memories. Topanga raises her eyebrows. I'm not sure it's that simple. Corey throws a box down. We're completely different people, Topanga. And besides, where is it written that you have to spend time with your brother? So now he. He doesn't like spending time with his brother. He.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I think we got more. I wish we got more into that. I wish we got more into Corey actually realizing that. And again, this would have been a meta, great way for Corey to look at Topanga and be like, he has changed so much over the years. I don't even recognize Eric anymore.

[Danielle Fishel]

And maybe he doesn't realize how much Eric has changed. Maybe. Maybe that's part of the episode too, is like, dude, I see you at holidays and God, if you needed the shirt off my back, I would give it to you. And your point is? I. You want it to be more and for him to be like, how could we possibly have more? You're such a. A screw up. And then be like, is he though, or are you seeing this older version of him?

[Will Friedle]

Was he like this all the time? There's ways to that. It could have been done in a more interesting way. Yeah, I don't agree.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know what my pitch is, but I. I don't.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, well, it feels like Topanga's teaching Corey something. And in the previous scene, Eric is teaching Corey something, but I don't know what that something is. Like, ultimately, I don't Know what Corey really did wrong?

[Will Friedle]

Wrong.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And I don't know how to leave this episode being like, oh, I also

[Danielle Fishel]

don't know how Cory really feels.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Does Corey feel like I don't want to be friends with my brother? It feels like in this scene, it does.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

But it feels like in all the previous scenes, he just didn't understand. He just really, truly didn't think it was that big of a deal to clean out the garage. He didn't think it was. He didn't notice there was a conflict with his brother.

[Ryder Strong]

But then he said, said, I'm glad you brought it to my attention. I'm sorry.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And you had my back during the fight, so obviously we're still good.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

But then the next day, he's like, who says I have to hang out with you?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's like, oh, 10 cents. Topinka chuckles I remember when that's all you wanted to do. I was jealous. Sean was too. COREY SIGHS it's easier when you're kids, you know? I mean, I was there, he was there. You hop on a sled, and the next thing you know, you're laughing at an intersection. I mean, time goes by and somehow what you had just sort of fades away. Topanga explains that doesn't mean you can't get it back. You have the rest of your life to make new memories. The question now is just, do you want to. I'll see you at home. Topanga leaves the garage and Corey goes back to moving boxes, eventually stopping for a second to let everything seep in. And then Eric walks in. They have a tense stare down, but eventually Eric starts helping his brother clean up. They start moving the boxes together, and Eric playfully shoves him. They finally get some brotherly time together, even without a word said. And then there's no tag.

[Will Friedle]

That's the episode. I'm gonna ask this again, a logistic question. How far do you think Cory and Topanga live from? Is the school from their house? And then did they bring two cars? Or is Corey now just trapped in the house? Because there was no Uber? And so it's like, see, at home, we drove together, we took the subway.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, well, I mean, maybe.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it's gotta be public transpo. All right, well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram, podmeatsworld show. You can send us your emails, podmeetsworldshowmail.com and we've got Merch.

[Will Friedle]

Ryder and Danielle called me to call you to tell you to tell me that we were told that the call about you from me was about us telling you that you needed me to tell you to buy some merch. Exclamation point

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

We love you all.

[Danielle Fishel]

Pod dismissed.

[Will Friedle]

Pod Meats World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fischl, Will Friedel and Ryder Strong, executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, executive in charge of production Daniel Danielle Romo, producer and editor Tara Sudbaksh, producer Matty Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon and you can follow us on Instagram odmeatsworldshow or email us at podmeatsworldshowmail.com

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