TGI – Family Matters 907 “Stevil II: This Time He’s Not Alone”

Summary

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Pod Meets World: TGI – Family Matters 907 “Stevil II: This Time He’s Not Alone”

Original Air Date: November 20, 2025
Hosts: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Rider Strong

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Danielle, Will, and Rider step outside their usual "Boy Meets World" retrospectives to continue their TGIF holiday side quest, tackling the rare TV sequel: Family Matters’ Season 9 episode, “Stevil II: This Time He’s Not Alone.” The gang breaks down the infamous Halloween follow-up to the original “Stevil,” discussing its legacy in the TGIF pantheon, memorable (and baffling) scenes, '90s sitcom tropes, and their thoughts on horror homages gone awry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Revisiting “Stevil II” and TGIF’s Spookiest Moments

• Context: The hosts introduce their TGIF holiday “side mission,” explaining that while it’s after Halloween, they couldn’t skip the rare “Stevil” sequel (13:43). Rider asks: “Was Stevil 1 the best Halloween episode we have seen thus far?”
• Comparisons: Will claims the first Stevil was better than “Fresh Prince”’s Halloween episode, crediting it for actually being scary, creative, and having fun puppet behind-the-scenes content (14:10). Fresh Prince, by comparison, just “ended.”
• Desire for More: They fantasize about a hypothetical “And Then There Was Shawn Part 2,” wondering if Boy Meets World should’ve leaned further into “Scream” territory with settings like haunted cabins or Feeny’s woodsy cabin (14:51–15:13).

First Impressions: “Stevil II” Falls Flat

• Immediate Reactions:
  • Will: “This was terrible.” (15:55)
  • Danielle: “It was not good.” (15:57)
  • Rider: “It was a bummer because I like the idea of going back and having another romp... but they kept it very small and it’s really just the two actors the entire time.” (15:58)
• Missed Opportunities: The hosts critique the lack of supporting cast, slow pacing, repetitiveness, and the lengthy puppet dance number. Rider calls out the 5-minute Vegas/Hollywood segment: “I was like, oh really? This is dancing?” (16:28)

What Should the Sequel Have Been?

• Will: “I would have made it the girl he’s in love with...[like] Bride of Chucky...a boy puppet and a girl puppet running around.” (17:23)
• Rider: Suggests swapping Urkel for more family members, or “Steve enlists other family members and gets other dolls...and then at the end Urkel comes back... instead it’s just like, oh, we’re just doing this again” (17:44)

Behind the Seams: Trivia & Nostalgia

• Cast & Crew Retro: Danielle details the episode’s creative team (18:02), notes the “Chucky”/little person stunt actor connection, and Ed Gale’s Hollywood legacy as Howard the Duck and Chucky.
• ’90s Easter Eggs: They spot Laura’s iconic robe, apparently a wardrobe rotation on every 1990s sitcom (20:58).

Scene-By-Scene Recap and Commentary

• Cold Open Familiarity: The episode literally reuses the old warning from Stevil I—Danielle thought she’d played the wrong episode! (20:05)
• Ghoulies Reference & Predictable Gags: Rider draws a link between Stevil’s resurrection-from-the-toilet scene and the VHS covers for the ‘80s horror flick “Ghoulies” (23:02–23:29).

The Dream Logic & Puppetry Problems

• Confusing Dreams: The gang tries to untangle the web of who’s dreaming—Urkel, Carl, or both? They laugh about sitcom dreams using oversized food to signal surreality (44:13).
• Sitcom Realism: Will rails against ventriloquist logic: “Kick the puppet! Like how hard is that?” (32:58). Rider agrees: “I’m not scared... the puppet should come in and psychologically torture them.” (33:13)
• Writing Tropes: Danielle and Rider mock writers’ reliance on characters talking aloud to themselves to move the plot. “Time to rewrite!” (42:17, 42:31). They share that young writers always default to this trick.

Standout Lines & Comic Riffs

• On Getting Recognized:
  • “My grandma used to have pictures of you on her wall.” – Will (07:39)
  • “Yep. It happens quite a bit.” – Will (07:33)
• Epic Insults (to the doll):
  • Stevil: “It sure is, Bone Butt.” (25:50)
  • Danielle: “I love Bone Butt. Just start calling my kids Bone Butt.” (25:53)
• More ’90s Slang: “Carlsbad announces: ‘We have some big plans for these flesh boys.’” (45:50)
• Meta Non Sequitur: “Why is he trying to stay awake at 5 o’clock? Is he narcoleptic now? Is this a problem?” – Will (40:22)
• Pessimistic Reflection: “This is just a. Yeah.” – Will (55:37)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• 00:03:40–07:20: Light-hearted personal stories about being recognized – and forgotten – by classmates, and generational nostalgia. “And then she goes, ‘You probably don’t remember me’...” (Danielle)
• 14:10: Will on the first “Stevil” episode: “It didn’t take itself seriously, but it was a little spooky and had the puppet. The making of was really cool... a pretty solid Halloween episode.”
• 15:55: Will: “This was terrible.”
  Danielle: “It was not good.”
• 25:50: Stevil (as puppet): “It sure is, Bone Butt.”
• 32:58: Will: “Just kick the puppet.”
• 41:36: Danielle, parodying sitcom dream logic: “Big food equals big dreams. Gotcha.”
• 54:45: Will, confused about dream logic: “Both evil. So Urkel, the body, and Stevil are somehow now both evil...”
• 56:05: Danielle: “Urkel guesses: Was it the one where you have to frisk Nell Carter? Which is a...fat joke.”
  Will: “I guess so.”
• 58:41: Will (jokingly): "Let's hope there's no Stevil 3 merch."
• Various: Recurring riffs on the non-terror of puppets, the cheesiness of '90s sitcom logic, and existential meta-commentary on their own childhood fame.

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Detailed Segment Timestamps

• [13:43] – Halloween “side mission” goal and setting up Stevil 2
• [14:10] – Comparing the original “Stevil” episode to other TGIF Halloween specials
• [15:55] – Roundtable, blunt initial reactions to the sequel: “terrible” and “not good”
• [17:23] – Alternate episode pitch: “Bride of Chucky” style Stevil with Laura as a puppet
• [18:02] – Cast and writer trivia, Ed Gale / Chucky connection
• [20:58] – Danielle spots the ‘moon’ robe: “I think Topanga had this robe... it was on every sitcom in the 90s...”
• [23:02–23:29] – Ghoulies horror movie shoutout, dream logic complaints
• [32:58] – “Just kick the puppet!” segment
• [42:10] – Writing tropes: “How often do both of you actually talk to yourselves out loud?”
• [44:13] – Dream sequence food as a sitcom clue, rapid banter about ‘dream logic’
• [45:50] – Recap of the puppets’ “showbiz” dreams: “big plans for these flesh boys”
• [51:35] – Commentary dries up: “That’s the only commentary we’ve had for about five minutes. I mean, Dove bars are delicious.”
• [54:45] – Host confusion peaks: “So Urkel, the body, and Stevil are somehow now both evil, even though one of them is supposed to have Urkel’s soul...”
• [56:05] – “Frisk Nell Carter” fat joke called out

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Hosts’ Final Thoughts & Wrap-up

• Dream Episode vs. Real Stakes: The episode wraps by poking fun at the nonsensical dream structure, with the group agreeing that unlike Boy Meets World’s own “And Then There Was Shawn,” the “Stevil” sequel lacks substance: “This is just a romp.” (55:38–55:40)
• Post-Episode Vegas Tag: The hosts describe the end-credits Vegas club tag, with the cursed puppets bombing as lounge comedians and fighting onstage as the crowd boos.
• Meta Reflection: The trio riff on their own careers, credentials, and what this podcasting life really means, with self-deprecating humor and genuine camaraderie.

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Conclusion

This episode is a loving roast of TGIF’s quirkiest Halloween tradition. The hosts blend nostalgia, sharp TV criticism, and zany rapport, making this recap a must-listen for ‘90s sitcom fans or anyone who’s ever wondered what would happen if a puppet really did come back from the toilet for your soul.

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Transcript

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[Danielle Fishel]

I was at Set Dry bar when I was still on Dancing with the Stars, and this woman sitting next to me goes, Dark Danielle. And I said, yeah. And she goes, hi. I just wanted to tell you I've been watching you on Dancing with the Stars. I actually went to high school with you. And I said, oh, really? And she said, yeah. I said, what's your name? And she tells me her name, and she goes, but you probably don't remember me. And I go, no, no, I don't. And she goes like this.

[Rider Strong]

And you're like.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I'm like, sorry, I. You know, I was. I was so often not there.

[Rider Strong]

And didn't she just reintroduce herself and.

[Will Friedle]

Say, you probably say, you wouldn't know me.

[Danielle Fishel]

And she was like. And she was like, huh? And then I was like, okay. And then when I was leaving, I was like, bye. It was good to see you again. She didn't respond to me, so I leave and. And I text my friend Jamie, who knows everything about Jamie's one of those people who, like, someone tells me, like, well, remember that big fight you got into with you and Jen? And you're like, no. And I called Jamie, and I'm like, jamie, was there a big fight? Oh, yeah, you don't remember you. And. Okay, so you and Jen were. And she'll have, like, all the deals about my life. And I'm like, how do you remember this? She's like, remembers everything. So I called Jamie, and I'm like, jamie, I just ran into this woman named this. And she. She did mention that she was friends with you on. On Facebook. And she's like, oh, yeah. She sends me a picture of her. She's like, this woman, she's a doctor. And I'm like, oh, cool. Four nights later, Dylan Efron breaks his nose at dance rehearsal.

[Rider Strong]

Ghost.

[Will Friedle]

No, I'm.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm like, I'll take you to the emergency room. And he's like, no, it's fine. I'm just gonna have my assistant take me. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm Not. Not. I'm gonna take you. And he's like, no, my assistant' like, okay. His assistant takes him. He sends me a text. Two hours later, he's like, the doctor here went to high school with you.

[Rider Strong]

It was her.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was her. But here's the funny thing. Here's how I know for sure it was her. He goes, the doctor is. The doctor here went to high school with you. But she says, you won't remember her. And I said, well, now I do, because I just ran into her at Dry Bar. But I didn't remember her from. From 30 years ago.

[Rider Strong]

But she didn't mention the Dry bar running. No, you gotta. You gotta make an appointment with her, find out whatever type of doctor she is. If she's a rhinoplastic, whatever it is, ER doctors, you gotta just show up and then. And then introduce yourself and say, we went to high school together. You probably don't remember me.

[Danielle Fishel]

I told him. I was like, please tell her I said, hello. We just ran into each other. I don't want her thinking, I don't know who she is now. And I said, also, I want her to take good care of you. I don't want her to.

[Will Friedle]

Like, yeah, I just. I just had a similar thing, but that made me feel far more old where I was, you know, in the hospital. And a nurse came up to me and a nurse said, you went to high school with my mom. So we have to explain why you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Were in the hospital. You were in the hospital for a family member, not for you.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, it wasn't me. And everything's good, by the way. But we were there. It was a routine thing, but we were there. And she came up and she said, oh, yeah, I think you went to high school with my mom. And I said, what?

[Rider Strong]

And so you're a grandpa.

[Will Friedle]

I know.

[Rider Strong]

It's not that crazy.

[Will Friedle]

In my mind, I'm still only 48.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

So, yeah. Just so strange, though. And then she did. She texted her mom and said, oh, he's here. And then her mom wrote back, I think I remember him. Was he friends with somebody else? And I was like, not the fact.

[Rider Strong]

That you were on Boy Meets World?

[Will Friedle]

No, no, it wasn't that. And she's like, oh, yeah, I think I remember. So again, I got four seed by someone I went to high school with. Forgo. So, Danielle, you probably won't remember me, but we did Boy Meets World together, so.

[Danielle Fishel]

God. Oh, my gosh. I know. It is still shocking to me, the amount of people who will come up and ask for a picture or something. And then I take the picture and I'm like, bye. It was so nice to meet you. And they're like, thanks. My mom's gonna love this.

[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

The silhouette.

[Rider Strong]

So old.

[Will Friedle]

The silhouette. It's just that, like, oh, my God. Doth he so cute? Yes. Nice.

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[Danielle Fishel]

Our side mission through family sitcom Holiday episodes continues. And even though Halloween is behind us, there was one spooky excursion we still had to make. Returning to the universe of TGIF and diving into a rare TV episode sequel. We are back at Family Matters for Stevil 2. This time, he's not alone, guys. Was Stevil 1 the best Halloween episode we have seen thus far?

[Will Friedle]

I think it was, yes, the most full. It was better than Fresh Prince and it was really. Yeah, I think. Well, because remember Fresh Prince just ended. Like the whole story just stopped. I know where Steve was like, it didn't take itself seriously, but it was a little spooky and had the puppet was really cool. And then they showed the making of at the end. Like I thought all around it was a pretty solid Halloween episode.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I guess.

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[Danielle Fishel]

What do you think? And then there was. Was Sean. Part two would have looked like, oh.

[Rider Strong]

It would have been great. Yeah, it would have been. Let's see. Well, what was Scream Part two? Like, what would have been the next evolution? Because it's like, would you have done.

[Will Friedle]

Scream or would you have picked a whole different horror type of genre? Yeah, like we're at like maybe everybody goes to camp and it's like a Jason.

[Rider Strong]

No, we all go to. We all go to ski lodge. We all got to go to. Got to go to Haunted Cabin in the Mountain.

[Danielle Fishel]

We go to fen.

[Rider Strong]

It's a Fes cabin. Yeah and great idea.

[Will Friedle]

Feeny's Cabin. Yep, that's exactly idea.

[Danielle Fishel]

We do like some wood scares episode.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But.

[Danielle Fishel]

But horror.

[Rider Strong]

Oh my God.

[Will Friedle]

A moose can't be a killer.

[Danielle Fishel]

A mo can't be a killer. So Steel 2 was season nine, episode seven of Family Matters. Final season and a year after the original Steel. So it must have been a hit. The follow up aired on Halloween night, 1997. And if you want to check out Stevil 2, you can. Right now it's streaming on Hulu so you can know about everything related to a possessed Urkel and Reginald Vel Johnson doll. Okay. What are your early thoughts on this sequel episode?

[Rider Strong]

I mean, I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

You don't really.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't.

[Will Friedle]

This was terrible.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was not good.

[Rider Strong]

It was a bummer because I like the idea of going back and having another romp and I guess going in a sp. Especially since it's set up with. By the first one so well, it was like anything goes and they kept it very small and like it's really just the two actors the entire time. Like nobody else.

[Danielle Fishel]

Has everyone had finals?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I think. I think. I guess I like the idea of there being two dolls and I like the idea of Carl having his doll. I thought that was funny and it looked funny, but then they just didn't do any. And like the Vegas joke. Like the whole like Hollywood entertainment thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Rider Strong]

When it went on for like five minutes of them dancing, I was like, oh, really? This is dancing?

[Will Friedle]

And then they're resting.

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There was also.

[Danielle Fishel]

Setup. Just get into it. We. How many scenes were there going to be about Steve? This was a dream. This was a dream. You don't. You gotta sleep. You gotta. I mean they were like. It felt like half the episode before it was like, okay, come on.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, get into.

[Will Friedle]

It also seemed like the. It was the same director, but the voice seemed different even.

[Danielle Fishel]

I totally thought the voice was different. Right.

[Will Friedle]

I thought it was a different guy, but it's not. It's the same guy. And then Reginald Vel Johnson doesn't even take off his shoes when he takes a nap.

[Danielle Fishel]

I.

[Rider Strong]

It's neither the first time.

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[Danielle Fishel]

It was the exact same thing. He laid down on the bed basically like this with his full shoes on and his whole outfit. It's. You know. Because then they got to get up. Then they got to get up and run and they can't have to stop and put their shoes on. So.

[Rider Strong]

So what would you have done for Steve L2? How would you have added to the. The Steve Ol storyline.

[Will Friedle]

I would have gone with what they did essentially in I wouldn't have made it Reginald Vel Johnson. I would have made it the girl he's in love with. And I would have done. Because Chucky doesn't Chucky get a bride. It's like Bride of Chucky. I would have gone Bride of Chucky with it. And it would have been Laura that would have done it. And it would have been the two, a boy puppet and a girl puppet running around doing stuff.

[Rider Strong]

It would have been fun to just take the Steval idea and bring it to other characters, which they kind of did with Carl, but they should have probably had Steve not in this one at all. And like the Steven, Steven enlists other family members and gets other dolls and. And then at the end, Urkel comes back. But yeah, as it was, it was just kind of like, oh, we're just doing this again.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Eventually, the synopsis. Urkel's evil ventriloquist dummy Stevel is back with a vengeance. And this time he's not alone. His sidekick Carlsbad has arrived to help steal Urkel and Carl's souls. It was directed again by Rich Carell. He is a sitcom vet who directed the very first Stevil episode and it was written by a new name, Jim Gogan. Jim was a big sitcom writer starting his career on shows like Facts of Life, Silver Spoons and Mama's Family. He'd end up creating the Suite Life of Zack and Cody, which is a fun career trajectory. This is one of 32 Family Matters episodes that he wrote. We went over the stars in our first recap, but here's a quick reminder. Reginald Bell Johnson is Carl Winslow. Joe Marie Payton plays Harriet Winslow, Darius McCrary as Eddie Winslow. Kelly Sheen Williams is Laura Winslow, Brighton James as Richie Crawford and the great Jaleel White as Steve Urkel. Guest starring this week, Orlando Brown returns as 3J. Director Rich Carell again supplies Stevel with his voice. Josh Ryan Evans is also back as Steve. Will Evans, who was just 37 inches tall, was best known as Timmy Lennox on the soap opera Passions and as Baby Grinch in the Jim Carrey Grinch that Stole Christmas. He passed back in 2002 at the young age of 20. But now we have Ed Gale as Carlsbad. Ed was a little person legend in Hollywood. He appeared in over 130 movies and TV shows. Most famously, he was Howard the Duck in Howard the Duck. And Chucky in Child's Play is the character this entire Family Matters premise is based on. Gail Passed away this past May at the age of 61.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Howard the Duck. They also put a little kid in the outfit, and it was like, hot. And he was like 8. And they just tortured this little kid in the set. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow. Jumping into our recap, we start in the cold open. We are back in the Winslow's house. And if this feels familiar, it's because this is the same warning they used for the first Evil.

[Rider Strong]

I kept waiting for them to add to it. I was like, no, it's gonna be. And then they're like, turn the lights on.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. I also thought I was watching the wrong episode, but the kids do look older. But I was like, wait, am I watching Steve O1 so if you've forgotten. Urkel warns viewers that this Halloween episode might be scary. So to watch it with someone brave. Richie and 3J luckily beside him on the couch, promise they have his back. But Urkel still wants to turn on the lights. Now we're in the Winslow's Halloween decorated living room. Despite his best efforts to stay awake, Urkel is falling fast asleep on the couch. He quickly catches himself snoring and decides the best way to keep himself awake is to impressively dribble a basketball. Then Laura, in a robe, makes her way downstairs and kindly announces she has a message for Urkel from her dad. Urkel is interested to hear. She aggressively shouts, stop that. By the way, this robe that Laura is wearing was a very popular the moon on the back.

[Will Friedle]

I'd seen this too.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, this robe. I think Topanga had this robe. Yeah, I think it was also on Friends.

[Will Friedle]

I was gonna say it's a friend's robe too.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep, it was on every sitcom in the 90s. Someone had this rope. So what is he up? What is he doing up at 3am anyways? He reminds her it's three hours into Halloween night. He's not sleeping tonight or tomorrow night. In fact, he may not even sleep until Thanksgiving. She wonders if he's still afraid of that nightmare from last year about his ventriloquist dummy. Urkel insists stevel was no ordinary dummy. He was a diabolic, satanic, evil force born in the heart of darkness. He also never gave me my phone messages. Laura doesn't understand. Laura doesn't understand how he's still afraid. Isn't the dummy gone? Urkel admits he is gone. He chopped him up into a million pieces, grounded him in a blender, then flushed his sawdust down the toilet. So Laura lists three reasons he shouldn't be afraid. One. Steve Was not real. Two, he flushed him down the toilet. And three, he's not real. Urkel shrugs her off. A man's got to do what a man's got to do. She tells him he better do it without dribbling and heads back upstairs with the ball. Now alone again, Urkel decides he should watch some TV to keep him awake. He clicks to turn on the TV and decides to check out what's on ABC and jab at their own network.

[Will Friedle]

Just no, falls asleep. It's worse than that. The last season of Family Matters was on cbs, so they actually moved to cbs. So he was actually insulting. They were insulting the old network that let them go.

[Rider Strong]

He's making a joke about the. Yeah, no.

[Will Friedle]

So that was actually. He was. He was bashing the old network.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So he's like, let's see what's on abc. And he's back asleep. Now we enter Urkel's dream sequence in the bathroom. We once again have thunder and lightning. A storm lights up. A very dark scene. The camera zooms in on the toilet. The seat flies open, revealing a wooden hand. Eventually, an intact but wet stevel pops his head out and creepily announces, I'm back.

[Rider Strong]

Do you guys ever. Do you remember the movie Ghoulies?

[Will Friedle]

Of course.

[Rider Strong]

No, I never saw it, but it was always the COVID of the movie at the VHS store. Was the hand coming out of the toilet? No, it was a little green guy coming. It was a whole.

[Will Friedle]

That's right. He's like pushing up the thing. Pushing up the base, right?

[Rider Strong]

No, he's just like.

[Danielle Fishel]

Is he out?

[Will Friedle]

That I'm thinking.

[Rider Strong]

I just remember because it was like a rip off Gremlins. It was like right around the same time as Gremlins. So somebody made Ghoulies and I always wanted to rent it. My parents would never let me.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm sure these. Like a ghoul.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, like a little.

[Rider Strong]

But the COVID was just legendary. It was like a green little monster coming out of the toilet. And I just. It's indelible. And the second he said, you know, I ground him up and threw him down the toilet. I was like, oh, this is gonna be the shot. There's gonna be a shot of him coming out of the toilet.

[Danielle Fishel]

You knew right away.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah.

[Rider Strong]

They could have cut to it right away. By the way, you talk about too much setup. Like, that should have been it. Like I ground him up and cut it. Boom. Cut to lightning strikes. It comes out of the toilet. We know what happened.

[Will Friedle]

Also, Danielle, if you can avoid in the future saying, a wet Steval comes out of the toilet. I really appreciate it.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, I'm gonna say a wet Steval comes out of the toilet every episode.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now.

[Danielle Fishel]

And then, we're back in the living room. Urkel is now eating Lotso crackers paired with a giant tubo cheese still in his pajamas.

[Rider Strong]

Recurring visual gag. Guys, I know we got a bucket of brittle later.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did they. Did they really? Did they do it specifically? Cause they wanted everyone to know we're now in the dream sequence, I guess.

[Will Friedle]

I think that's what it is.

[Rider Strong]

I think they literally. It was probably, like, on set, they're like, oh, he's eating crackers and cheese. And I don't know, they're like, listen to crap joke.

[Will Friedle]

Whose dream it is.

[Rider Strong]

It's Steve's dream now. And then he wakes up, and then it'll be, yeah, right, but so is.

[Will Friedle]

Stevil then only in Carl's dream.

[Rider Strong]

No, Stevel's in this dream.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is.

[Rider Strong]

This is Steve's dream. This is Urkel's dream.

[Will Friedle]

And then he's.

[Rider Strong]

Two separate dreams. And then I was waiting for the end to be like, oh, and it's all a dream and somebody else. But it didn't do. It didn't go that far. No, it's just literally, Steve has a dream and Carl has a dream, and.

[Danielle Fishel]

Then they're real also.

[Will Friedle]

But are they. Wait, so then they're real.

[Danielle Fishel]

Confused, Carl wakes up from his dream and comes downstairs and says, you have to tell me about. Oh, no, it all ended up.

[Rider Strong]

And then they just talk about their dreams and they walk upstairs and that's it, right? Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. What are you doing, Steve?

[Danielle Fishel]

After some more thunder and lightning, the lights start to flicker and eventually they go out completely, leaving the screen 100 pitch black. Then after a few seconds, they turn back on and Urkel finds himself face to face with Stevel Urkel shrieks in terror as Stevel lets out another evil laugh. Urkel backs away. He can't believe it. It's you. It's you. Steve Will responds, it sure is, Bone Butt.

[Will Friedle]

You just made yourself laugh just by saying that.

[Danielle Fishel]

I love it. I love Bone Butt. Just start calling my kids Bone Butt. Thanks for flushing me down the toilet, pal. I spent the last year hanging out in sewers, bobbing for rats. Urkel asks him what he wants, and Stevel grins. Oh, not much. Just your soul. The puppet hops down from the couch and slowly approaches Urkel, who pleads with him. Why don't you take the guys next door? He's a lawyer. He's never used his classic lawyer jokes.

[Rider Strong]

Lawyer. It's.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's.

[Danielle Fishel]

There used to be so many of them.

[Will Friedle]

Lawyer jokes, mother in law jokes. Those are like the go to's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Urkel stumbles into the armchair as Stevel gets closer. He tells Urkel he won't settle for any soul he wants.

[Rider Strong]

His.

[Danielle Fishel]

Urkel shrieks as Steve hops onto him and declares, hold still. This is gonna hurt like the dickens. The evil puppet proceeds to shoot green laser beams into Urkel's eyes as he screams in pain. But then the dream sequence starts to fade. Okay, I've got a question for you. During the holiday season, how much is too much to wear your pajamas? This is a serious question because the holidays, let's be honest, are the coziest time of year and pajamas the coziest thing you can wear. So according to like math, shouldn't you wear pajamas all the time? You know, every minute of every day. And if you're going to do that, which obviously you should, you will need to grab some new PJs. Good thing old Navy just dropped its new Jingle Jammies collection. It's their biggest ever. We're talking 20 different prints in tons of traditional styles like classic plaids. So it's easy to find something for the whole family. From your giant Uncle Bob who always eats all the turkey, to your newest niece Nellie. And everyone can get exactly the print they want or go matching. Then strike a pose and make it your ultimate holiday card moment. Whether everyone makes their own statement or you go matchy matchy. These Jingle Jammies are seriously soft. Perfect for lounging all day, sitting toasty by the fire, unwrapping gifts or even, you know, sleeping. Basically, like I said, you'll want to wear them all the time. But society, for reasons I still can't understand, frowns on 247 pajamas. Fortunately, old Navy solved that problem with coordinating graphic tees, sweatshirts, socks and fleece blankets. It's cozy, layered on cozy. They even have pet sweaters. So go ahead, maximize those feel good vibes and crank up the cheer. It's gonna be the best season ever. Find your Jingle Jammies and all the holiday goodies [e-mail] there's nothing like sinking into luxury.

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

These are deals so extra that they absolutely cannot be missed. And every two weeks there's going to be more.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

We're into a different scene. Still in the Winslows living room. Urkel is sleeping on the couch, tossing and turning in agony. He finally wakes himself up and scans the room in fear. He realizes he fell asleep and Stevel managed to come back. How did this happen? Then we go to a tense commercial break as Urkel checks behind a small pillow. We return in the Winslow house. The title Graphic Stevil 2. This time he's not alone. Appears just as Urkel is handing out caramel covered squid, praline prunes and three bean taffy to trick or treaters. They are less than enthused and he can't understand why. He asks for a thank you and he's met with a barrage of candy thrown at him. Eddie and Laura walk downstairs wearing some impressive Halloween costumes. Eddie is dressed as Don King and Laura is wearing an elaborate alien costume.

[Rider Strong]

This is one of those Halloween sitcom things you always gotta have like the presentation of funny outfits.

[Rasmussen University Advertiser]

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[Will Friedle]

And it's also. It's like you walk downstairs and it's such a sitcom thing too. You walk downstairs with the giant alien head on and then you have to take it off to show who you are and say your lines and then you have to put it back on.

[Danielle Fishel]

Put it back on?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Can I. Ryder, I think you said you watched the Chucky movies. Have you seen them?

[Rider Strong]

I've seen the first one. I don't think I've seen anything past that.

[Will Friedle]

Does anyone just kick the puppet away from them?

[Rider Strong]

Yes, I think. I think that's actually a key scene in the first one. Like. Yeah, there's a bit where. God, I think she kicks it at one point. You think the thing is gone and then like she. It comes out from under the. I don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, they definitely try.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, they try things just slowly approaching Steve, it's like just kick the puppet.

[Rider Strong]

I know, just kick the puppet.

[Will Friedle]

Like how hard is that?

[Rider Strong]

That's what I said the first time. It's like when he can just take the puppet apart.

[Will Friedle]

Right. Like.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't.

[Rider Strong]

I'm not sc.

[Rasmussen University Advertiser]

I know.

[Rider Strong]

Really the puppet should come in and psychologically torture them.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

Like that's what a ventriloquist could do is like insult them and her and tear down their sense of well being.

[Will Friedle]

And just like he's just doing crowd work and he's just insulting.

[Rider Strong]

That's where we end up. So. Yeah, it's pretty much.

[Will Friedle]

Pretty much, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So Eddie is dressed as Don King, and Laura is wearing an elaborate alien costume. Urkel tries to guess. Hmm. Don King and Mrs. King. Eddie responds with his best Don King impression. Urkel's half right. He's going to his fraternity dressed as Dawn. On cue, two pretty girls dressed in sports bras and boxing shorts walk in and ask Ms. Mr. King if he's ready.

[Rider Strong]

Girls are dressed in scantily clad clothing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like they're at Club Cleavage. Eddie happily takes a girl on.

[Rider Strong]

Does this happen anymore? Does anybody, like, do women walk onto a stage in a sitcom?

[Danielle Fishel]

Hollers to hoots and hollers, there's no.

[Will Friedle]

Sitcoms anymore, so no.

[Rider Strong]

No.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, but if they're not gonna do.

[Rider Strong]

It on Disney, does it happen on Frazier? This is a regular thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Eddie happily takes a girl on each arm and continues his Don King impression out the door. Only in America. Only in America. Laura asks if he got any sleep last night, and Urkel tells her all about the Stevel guest appearance in his nightmare. It was five of the most terrifying minutes of his life, second only to watching Lord of the Dance. Urkel gives a cute little imitation of Michael Flatley. Laura reminds him it was only a dream, but Urkel's adamant. I'm not dreaming anymore. I had eight cups of espresso, a six pack of Jolt Cola, and a giant bowl of Froot Loops with extra sugar. If you don't you remember Jolt. I remember seeing it. I never drank it.

[Rider Strong]

I've never tasted it.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's. It tastes as if somebody melted down lipstick and then just filled the rest with nerd sweat.

[Rider Strong]

It's like.

[Will Friedle]

It's what? It's like the chemical. Iest, nastiest. It is just disgusting. Is it gone? It was like five times the caffeine or something ridiculous like that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, yeah. Can you buy it still?

[Will Friedle]

I have no idea. I have no. I can't imagine.

[Rider Strong]

RC Cola is still around. I think you can get that somewhere. I remember that taste.

[Danielle Fishel]

Is that carcinoid?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, RC is good, but that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Jolt stuff was gross.

[Will Friedle]

Unless it's caffeine free. For the record, it appears I can. I can buy Jolt Cola, it appears. And I'm wondering, if I get it for you guys, would you drink it for a pre show chatter?

[Rider Strong]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Will Friedle]

I'll take a sip, but I don't do caffeine, so five times the caffeine wouldn't be good.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll take a sip, too, but let's get.

[Rider Strong]

Let's get Jolt and RC and we'll do a taste test.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. All right, I'm in.

[Will Friedle]

I'll just call that a panic attack. Tuesday. Not a problem.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just wipe your schedule for the rest of the day.

[Rider Strong]

Exactly.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wipe your schedule. Plan to sit on the toilet. Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

There will definitely be a wet stevil coming out of the toilet that day. So let's be honest.

[Danielle Fishel]

Then Richie and 3J come strolling in dressed as the Men in Black. Urkel realizes that's why Laura's the alien. Oh, my gosh. Richie and 3J reveal that after people give them candy, they're going to erase their memories. That way we can go back for more. They hold up their memory erasing devices, and Urkel pretends to fall into a trance. He asks the boys, who are you? And he loves his own joke. Laura says it's time to go. And they walk out. At the same time Carl arrives wearing his police uniform. So I have a question. What do we think? Why did the scene need to happen? Why did any of this need to happen?

[Rider Strong]

So we could see the other cast members in the episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. There are so many others that aren't in the episode.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why did they only need these characters in the episode?

[Will Friedle]

Stupid question for season nine because I didn't watch the show. Did all the characters make the jump from ABC to cbs? Are all the characters still on the show? I mean, is the mom character there and the grandma character? They're still there. Are they all still there?

[Danielle Fishel]

I mean, I read all their names. So, you know, when I said I went over the. That we went over their names in the first. Reginald Vel Johnson, Joe Marie Payton, Darius McCrary, Kelly Brighton. I guess the only one then who's maybe not in the episode is Joe Marie Payton. Right. Because Darius we just saw. Right. And then, let's see. That's guest starring Orlando. Yeah. The. The grandmother is not in this episode. No.

[Rider Strong]

People in costume. They have the fun. The kids in costume.

[Will Friedle]

I'm just wondering, you know, if the show is the same, having moved to cbs, if it's all the same cast, like, everybody made the jump, or maybe some people didn't. I don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Know. Interesting. Laura says it's time to go. And they walk out at the same time. Carl arrives wearing his police uniform. Urkel says Carl looks a little peaked. Tough day at the office. Carl blames it on eating too much candy at the precinct Halloween party. He's going to take a quick nap before dinner, but Urkel won't allow it. Jumping Jehoshaphat. It's Halloween.

[Rider Strong]

So why did he come downstairs to.

[Will Friedle]

Say that he was going upstairs to.

[Rider Strong]

Take a nap, but he's coming down in his cop uniform.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hold on. He's not coming downstairs. He came from the kitchen. That's the kitchen over there.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

That he's. He's, like, coming from the swing door. He enters from the kitchen. So he just got home from work.

[Rider Strong]

So he got home from work.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, he just got home from work, and he's coming into the living room.

[Rider Strong]

Gotcha.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, so Urcole says, jumping Jehoshaphat. It's Halloween. You can't sleep. He's the one with the dream. Why does he think other people are going to have bad dreams?

[Will Friedle]

Are they maybe doing, like, trying to do, like, a Nightmare on Elm street thing where it's like, whoever falls asleep can get.

[Danielle Fishel]

Doesn't think it is a dream. Urkel's convinced it's a real character. So why.

[Rider Strong]

Well, didn't he already fall asleep and.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wake back up and. Oh, I guess in that case, he thought. And he said, oh, I fell asleep. And he came back.

[Will Friedle]

So this is not a dream happening right now?

[Rider Strong]

No, he already woke up and has been dealing with candy and. And he's drank the jolt, so he's gonna stay awake. So I don't know why he wouldn't just be like. I mean, maybe he's just afraid to be alone. Like, he doesn't want Carl to go to sleep. I would.

[Danielle Fishel]

I would understand that. But that's not what he says. You can't sleep. You could have. Carl quickly realizes and is disappointed to see this is about last year's Stevil nightmare. Urkel isn't embarrassed at all. In fact, this time he's after his soul. Carl agrees. He's scared, too. And Urkel can't believe it. Really? Carl shoots back while pretending to suck his thumb. Yeah, if I were five. Carl reminds Urkel he's not a kid anymore. He's a reasonable facsimile of a man. This little nightmare can't get the best of him. Toughen up, man. Carl's right. Urkel puffs up his chest and decides he'll be a manly man. Carl pep talks Urkel by asking what he's scared of, and the manly man confidently responds, nothing. With this newfound attitude, Urkel encourages Carl to go upstairs and catch some Z's while he holds down the fort. So, yeah, maybe it was about being alone. Even though I wish he would. I wish he would have said that. No, please stay with me. I don't want to be alone. Stevel came back.

[Rider Strong]

Right?

[Will Friedle]

But it's Also, if this is before dinner, everybody's leaving. And so wouldn't Steve be handing out the candy, which he did to apparently the only three. Three showed up at the house. And like the Dad's going to bed, Mom's out.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, Dad's going to bed before dinner. He's gonna have a quick snooze.

[Will Friedle]

Right, But Steve already was handing out candy, so why is he trying to stay awake at 5 o'?

[Danielle Fishel]

Clock?

[Rider Strong]

It's so romp. It's so. God.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Will Friedle]

But this one really didn't make a whole like the story didn't make.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're right. Why did. Why does he need all that to stay awake at 5?

[Will Friedle]

It's 5pm Is he not. Is he have Narcoleps?

[Rider Strong]

Pepsi?

[Will Friedle]

Is this now a problem? I mean, it's one of those. I. I gotta stay awake.

[Rider Strong]

It's 4:30.

[Danielle Fishel]

It shouldn't be a problem. It's 4:30 on Halloween night. Remember he stayed up since the night before.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

He's now running on like 24 hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of no sleep. Because he, he said it's three hours into Halloween. So at least he was up since like 3am he didn't sleep last night. So I guess that that is what's making sense. I think maybe we are the problem.

[Rider Strong]

Of course we are.

[Danielle Fishel]

We.

[Will Friedle]

We know we're. We are.

[Danielle Fishel]

Carl sarcastically says he'll sleep better knowing that. And Urkel does not catch the joke. He feels good about himself. He's got everything under control. Urkel casually sits on the couch right next to a decorative skeleton. As he sinks in, the skeleton's arm moves onto his shoulder and the manly man frantically stands up screaming. Eventually realizing it was nothing, he tries to brush it off. I'm cool. I'm cool.

[Rider Strong]

But now this wasn't a dream. And the skeleton did move.

[Danielle Fishel]

The skeleton did move. Yeah. But I think it's just because of the way he sunk into his couch.

[Rider Strong]

I saw that skeleton put its arm around him. That was.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I did too.

[Will Friedle]

It's a romp rider.

[Danielle Fishel]

Relax. Enjoy it. Then we're in Carl's room. Carl walks out of the bathroom holding a bottle of Pepto Bismol. He laughs about the evil ventriloquist dummy and takes a seat on the bed. He reads his Pepto Bismol bottle and realizes it's a new flavor. He takes a swig and his face immediately sours. Apparently the new flavor is chalk.

[Will Friedle]

Question before you go on, just very quickly. Cause I was curious about this when I watched it. How often do both of you actually talk to yourselves out loud?

[Danielle Fishel]

I was gonna say this is how, you know, anytime you have this in a script, you have to change it. Yep.

[Will Friedle]

Right?

[Rider Strong]

Time to rewrite.

[Danielle Fishel]

Time to rewrite. You cannot do it. Even on my. Thankfully, even on Disney Channel shows now where it's so convenient to have a kid walk into a room and say something to themselves out loud.

[Rider Strong]

Where did everybody go? All right, I guess I'll just over here and have my cereal by myself.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yep.

[Rider Strong]

So.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nope. Even. Even on a very kid show now, people are like, we can't do this. Maybe, Maybe one. One thing. Like, where is everyone? Maybe.

[Rider Strong]

But pretty much, it's one of my favorite things that, you know, when I do the Young Storytellers, where I'm teaching kids how to, like, fifth graders to write scripts and we outline and then we get to the actual dialogue. And it's always so funny because they all want to do this.

[Ryan Seacrest]

This.

[Rider Strong]

They all want to. If a character's by themselves, they're just like, yeah. And then they say, oh, I'm hungry. I guess I'll go to the fridge and get something to eat. And you know, you, you, you have to just let them write what they write, and then you, like, go back and give them notes. The other thing that they always do, it's so funny, they have people say their lines simultaneously. So there'll be like two characters that will both be like, we came to the party. And you're like, how do people know to just psychically say the same thing thing? It's, it's one of those, like, things you just have to explain. You can have voiceover. You can have ways to show what somebody's, you know, thinking without having them just say it. But yeah, it is like first thought writing thing. It's like everyone could just express themselves and then two people could just say the whole line together.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it's so funny. He sets the bottle down and turns out the lights. He sighs aloud and once again talks to himself loudly, shaking his head in disbelief. Evil ventriloquist dummy. He calls it crazy as he falls asleep. We enter Carl's dream in the Winslow's living room. Carl walks downstairs eating out of a big bucket. O brittle. He notices a. See, this is how you know where you're in dreams when people. I see what you're saying, you know.

[Rider Strong]

So it's like when you're in a dream, you're getting to eat your giant. Your giant favorite food that you love, whatever.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And for people watching to help make it clear.

[Will Friedle]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

When you're in a dream, you got.

[Will Friedle]

These big food equals big dreams. Gotcha.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly. They're all my dreams are made of Danielle.

[Will Friedle]

Just giant donut rolling in a giant donut down to a cheeseburger house. It's just her whole. She's just skipping down French Fries Lane.

[Danielle Fishel]

There are skis.

[Rider Strong]

God, I'm getting hungry. Guys.

[Will Friedle]

Danielle's whole dream sequence is just that.

[Danielle Fishel]

He notices a tall box in the middle of the living room that's labeled Fragile. The box is addressed to him, so he decides to open it. Also, he's talking to himself in his dream. Huh? Carl Winslow. That's me. And it's another ventriloquist dummy. But this one looks exactly like him. He's even dressed in a cute little matching police uniform. Carl wonders who could have sent this. He proceeds to sit and put the dummy on his lap, leading into a cheesy ventriloquist joke about mayonnaise. Carl and his puppet love the gag. Then Urkel walks downstairs and is terrified to find Carl playing with this dummy. Carl says he's just having fun, but Urkel compares playing with a ventriloquist dummy to playing with a loaded gun. Carl tells him, it's just a hunk of wood. He's not alive. And then boom. The front door comes crashing down and Stevel walks in amidst a wall of green fog. He tells Carl, not yet. Then zaps the new ventriloquist dummy with his lightning powers bringing him to life. The dummy swiftly jumps off Carl's lap and stands with Stevel. Carl nervously asks, who are you? His puppet doppelganger answers in a deep, gruff voice, you can call me Carlsbad. Thunder and lightning strikes again as Urkel and Carl stare at their look alikes in horror. We go to a commercial break, then we return to the living room. Now with the puppets slowly creeping toward the humans, Carlsbad declares that they have some big plans for these flesh boys. Urkel asks to rob and murder? Carlsbad admits, nah, we're going into show business. Urkel gasps. That's even worse. Steve will ask his evil friend, when you become human, what are you gonna do? Carl's bad shouts, I'm going to Vegas. I'm offended. Absolutely offended.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you? Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Deeply offended.

[Will Friedle]

You're not offended by the 62 Coffee?

[Danielle Fishel]

It's my favorite part.

[Will Friedle]

That's not what offends you.

[Danielle Fishel]

He swiftly jumps onto the couch and turns on a boombox. Generic hip hop starts to play and Steel shows off some radical dance skills. He even Gives us a little moonwalk.

[Rider Strong]

This is really painful.

[Will Friedle]

I don't.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was.

[Rider Strong]

It's like, if you have the joke, okay, the joke is like, they want to go to Hollywood or they want to be entertainers. Okay? Like, it's just bad. Fine. But there is a version where that could be like, what if they're, like, suddenly very insecure actors and they. Or they really care about it and it's like, gen. You know? But instead it's just like, let's have the. Let's have the little puppets dance.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. And moonwalk.

[Rider Strong]

And moonwalk.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Then he turns things over to Carl's bad, who does his own share of cool moves, including the cabbage patch. The two puppets bump butts and spin in unison. They end the routine by walking up to the humans and stomping on their feet. As the guys are doubled over in pain, Stevel turns off the music. Dance time is over. Carlsbad adds, now hand over your souls so we can become human. Urkel reminds Carl that he's a cop. He asks, what do they do? Carl stammers, well, section three of the police manual says, run for your life. They both dart in opposite directions, but their dummies are already there, blocking them from a doorway. So Urkel and Carl quickly kick the dummy. Run upstairs, kick the dummy, kick the.

[Will Friedle]

Dummy, kick the dummy. Not a hard thing. What are you running from? They're not even armed. Carl's a cop. He has a gun.

[Rider Strong]

I know. He came down with a nightstick in a later scene. I was like, where was that? Where's your firearm?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. But the dummies are right on their face.

[Rider Strong]

Shooting the dummy, dad, would be hysterical. The second the door falls and Stevel shows up, you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just.

[Rider Strong]

He's just lying. Dummies bleeding. End of episode. Hysterical.

[Danielle Fishel]

Best Halloween episode of all time.

[Will Friedle]

A tiny. You start the episode at a crime scene with a tiny little outline of a dead dummy. And you go backwards and you go.

[Rider Strong]

You go, what the hell happened here, Carl? Well, I'll tell you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, exactly. A dummy broke down my door and I shot him.

[Will Friedle]

That would be great.

[Danielle Fishel]

Now in Carl's room, Urkel and Carl scramble inside and slam the door shut behind them. But within seconds, the dummies pry it open a crack. Both sides struggle in a frantic tug of war, each pushing with all their might to either keep the puppets out or force their way in. Finally, Carl manages to close the door and lock it. Carl comments on how strong those puppets are, but Urkel is staying positive. They may have discouraged them. He bends down and puts his ear against the door. He doesn't hear a peep. Then crash. An axe goes through the door, leaving a hole for Carlsbad to peek through. A cute reference to the Shining. Popping out of the splintered wood, he declares, here's Carlsbad. But then Carl realizes they can use a nearby dresser. They drag it in front of the door, blocking the hole, and in turn, those evil puppets. Carl is certain they can't get through it. It's solid oak. Immediately after he says this, the top drawer shoots out and hits him in the head. Various drawers start popping out and hitting Carl in the crotch and in the head. And one drawer even has Carl's bad in it. He grabs onto Carl's nose and squeezes it. Thar she blows. Carl screams for Urkel's help, but Urkel just grabs his ear, making it worse. Carl clarifies. Don't help them. Help me. Urkel quickly pulls him away from the possessed dummy. And they watch on as the dresser drawers open and close all on their own. Eventually, Stevel and Carlsbad pop out of one, yelling, peekaboo. The lights go out as thunder and lightning rumble outside, flashing light on the dummies as they let out maniacal laughs. Laughs. Then they magically disappear. Carl checks the drawers. What is going on? Then more lightning flashes and the lights go out. We hear Urkel scream and when the lights come on, he's gone. Carl calls out for him, but he's nowhere to be found. He starts to panic. Oh no. Oh no. He looks directly into the camera and screams. They've got Steve. And then Carl creeps downstairs, looking through the pelvis bone of a skeleton and carrying his baton for protection.

[Rider Strong]

Get it? Because the pelvis bone looks like glasses.

[Danielle Fishel]

Glasses, by the way. I did think this is something. Something Will would have done. Like Will would have in rehearsal done that. And then they would have been like, do that. And they would. That's the one they would have used.

[Will Friedle]

Yep. That seems like that seems about right.

[Danielle Fishel]

He calls out for Urkel and searches the room for any signs. Then he sees something. It's a large white sheet covering something that looks like a sofa chair. Carl reaches for the sheet, terrified that he'll find Urkel dead underneath. He pulls it off and we hear a woman scream. It's a creepy skeleton. Carl lets out a dramatic cry and the door starts to creak open behind him. Thinking it might be Urkel, Carl slowly walks to it and sticks his head outside. Then, bam. A skeleton falls onto his head. Carl screams in horror as he shakes the bones off. Then he hears noises coming from the kitchen. Now he's angry. If they touch my Dove bars. Dove bars are delicious. He storms into the room to find Urkel frozen, staring ahead bluntly.

[Rider Strong]

That's the only commentary we've had for.

[Will Friedle]

About five minutes now.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, Dove bars are delicious.

[Danielle Fishel]

They are delicious.

[Will Friedle]

This is also like a course in speed reading. And that's where Carl walks on the stairs. The next thing see Steve.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Steve's like.

[Will Friedle]

Steel.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're welcome. Carl asks, what have they done to him? The thunder and lightning get more aggressive and Carl looks very scared. The lights go out. The lightning lets us see small snippets of Carl wide eyed yelling, what a terrible, awful night. When will this ever end? The lights turn on and now Stevel and Carlsbad are right behind him, standing on the dining table. Carlsbad announces very soon, one soul down, one to go. Steve l now speaks in Urkel's human voice. Don't I look pretty in a human soul? Carl grabs Stevel pulling him off the table.

[Rider Strong]

Well, now that means Urkel is in the dummy. Yeah, this is where the dummy's in the.

[Will Friedle]

This is where they lost me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Urkel's in the dummy.

[Rider Strong]

But then why is the dummy still evil? Like at this point they should. Should, like, want to save the dummy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Carl grabs. Carl grabs Ste. Pulling him off the table. Well, now that you have a soul, why don't you stop being evil?

[Rider Strong]

I won a Youth of Film award. What am I doing here.

[Danielle Fishel]

Guys?

[Rider Strong]

Danielle was on Dancing with the Stars. Eighth place, Dancing with the Stars.

[Will Friedle]

My cholesterol is four digits. We've all accomplished things.

[Danielle Fishel]

We've all got something.

[Rider Strong]

I graduated with Latin honors from Columbia. Guys, this is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

This is.

[Rider Strong]

This is what that gets you.

[Danielle Fishel]

I graduated magna cum laude from. Yeah, Fullerton. Okay, Dove bars are good. They are.

[Will Friedle]

That's what I got to that conversation. I graduated high school.

[Rider Strong]

Barely.

[Danielle Fishel]

Steve explains, still in Urkel's voice. I'm still evil, only now I feel guilty about it. Carlsbad chimes in, I can't wait to get my soul and hit the road to Vegas. Carl looks at him in disgust, but Carlsbad is reveling in it. He tells Carl to freeze while he sucks out his soul. Carl warns him, you're never going to get my soul. I'm going to fight you to the death. Stevel and Carlsbad declare war. And when Carl reaches for Urkel, the dummies pound bounce. Carlsbad jumps onto his back while Stevel clings to his Leg. Carl can't shake them off. He begs, can't we just get along? Carlsbad bites his nose in response. Urkel is still sitting in the chair looking completely empty when Carl is finally able to throw Carlsbad through the glass window. Then he grabs Stevel and chucks him out the window too. The audience applauds and Carl grabs Urkel's hand. They've got to get out of there. Urkel says nothing as Carl drags him through the house like a zombie. But once at the front door, Urkel pulls away. Carl wants to know what's going on and Urgle's face goes sinister as a green light shines on him. In a very deep Steval voice, a now very different looking Urkel asks, what's the rush? A horrified Carl shouts no. No. As Urkel shoots green laser beams out of his eyes and into Carl's, sucking out his soul.

[Will Friedle]

Both evil. So Urkel, the body and Aunt Stevil are somehow now both evil. Even though one of them is supposed.

[Ryan Seacrest]

To have Urkel's soul.

[Danielle Fishel]

Urkel's soul. Right, right. And then we slowly fade out of the dream sequence. We're into Carl's room. Carl is in bed screaming.

[Will Friedle]

We're not discussing it anymore. It's like. Right, right. Okay. So then Stevil.

[Danielle Fishel]

Carl is in bed screaming, not my soul. No. Not my Dove bars.

[Rider Strong]

No.

[Danielle Fishel]

He jumps out of bed and sprints out the door. See, the reason we don't have to discuss it is. Cause it's a dream. Dream. And you know.

[Will Friedle]

Right. Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nothing has to make like your cheeseburger.

[Will Friedle]

House and French fries.

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally. Exactly.

[Rider Strong]

That's except. And then there was Sean as a dream.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know.

[Rider Strong]

And it's a good one.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Has actual character relationship. Yeah. Has a point.

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

It's a romp.

[Will Friedle]

It's a romp.

[Danielle Fishel]

The Winslow's living room. Urkel is sitting on the couch laughing with the decorative skeleton, who he calls a great listener. It falls limp on the couch in response. A careful Carl slowly walks down the stairs, still shaking off the nightmare. Urkel asks if he'd like any of the caramel covered squid. He shakes his head and admits he's just had the worst nightmare of his life. Urkel guesses. Was it the one where you have to frisk Nell Carter? Which is a. I think a fat joke.

[Will Friedle]

I guess so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Or give me a break joke.

[Rider Strong]

I don't get it.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't get it.

[Will Friedle]

Give me a break. I don't. I think it must be just yeah, why would she.

[Danielle Fishel]

Why would a nightmare be the. Yeah, just that she's a larger woman.

[Will Friedle]

That's my guess.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Carl says it was even worse than that one. This time he had a dream about Stevil. He tells Urkel about Carl's bat and the two puppets trying to steal their souls. It made me realize I should have never made fun of your nightmare. Urkel's shocked. Really, Carl continues, I should have encouraged you to talk about it. That way. It wouldn't have seemed so scary. Urkel thanks him for the kindness. As Carl begins to walk away, Urkel follows after him. Have I ever told you about the nightmare where I was locked in a cheese factory but I had no notes? And then Myra showed up and she wanted to give me a kiss, but I had no lips. Then I tried to run home, but I had no feet. Urkel goes on and on and on, and Carl again looks directly into the camera, regretting his prior words of dream related encouragement. And then my mother showed up, but she was wearing velvet boxer shorts. Carl turns away from Urkel, walking upstairs without a peep. But Urkel still follows Carl, still detailing his other nightmares, like when he was milk fed veal chop engaged to an elderly lamb chop. The audience laughs and the credits roll. And then we're in the tag in Las Vegas. We see various 90s Vegas hotels and a sign that reads now appearing in the Oak Room. Steve and Carlsbad. The two dummies walk onto stage wearing green and red sequined tailcoats paired with sparkly gold bow ties and cummerbunds. They thank the audience for the warm welcome and Steve Will admits, it's not easy being this short. And Carlsbad asks why? Steve will answers, because you're always the last guy to know when it rains. The audience groans, so Stevel tries again. He tells them, I was dating this female puppet once. And Carlsbad asks, why'd you stop? Steval says, because she cheated on me with a GI Joe doll. Now the audience boos and the dummies can't believe it. Is this thing on? Carlsbad asks, what are you people, mannequins? A man heckles back, no, but you are. Stevel asks him to repeat that in the parking lot and Carlsbad threatens, we'll rip your heart out. The audience starts to boo even louder and Carlsbad tells Stevel they really hate you. Stevel asks, me? What do you mean me? Carlsbad says, he has all the funny lines and he's blowing them. But Stevel blames it on his bad setups. They start to wrestle each other on stage, falling to the floor and ending with Stevel choking Carlsbad out as the final credits roll. Thank you all for joining us on this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails podmeetsworldshowmail.com and we've got Merch.

[Will Friedle]

Hey, where is everybody? Well, I guess I'll just do the merch call Merch Alt. Let's Hope there's no Stevil 3 merch.

[Danielle Fishel]

Pod meets WorldShow.com writer send us out.

[Rider Strong]

And we love you all. Pod Dismissed Pod Meets World is an.

[Will Friedle]

Iheart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle and Rider Strong, executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, executive in charge of production Danielle Romo, producer and editor Tara Sudbaksh, producer Matty Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon and you can follow us on Instagram odmeatsworldshow or email us at podmeatsworldshowmail.com.

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