TGI – Sabrina the Teenage Witch 105 “A Halloween Story”

Summary

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Pod Meets World: TGI – Sabrina the Teenage Witch 1x05 “A Halloween Story”

Podcast: Pod Meets World
Host(s): Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Rider Strong
Episode Date: October 16, 2025
Episode Theme: The hosts revisit a classic '90s Halloween episode—not from Boy Meets World, but their TGIF neighbor, Sabrina the Teenage Witch. They break down Season 1, Episode 5, “A Halloween Story,” exploring why Halloween sitcom episodes are so beloved, how Sabrina approached the holiday, and share tons of behind-the-scenes sitcom reflections and jokes.

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Episode Overview

In a twist on their usual Boy Meets World rewatch, Danielle, Will, and Rider celebrate Halloween by recapping Sabrina the Teenage Witch’s first holiday episode. As veterans of the ’90s sitcom scene, they compare approaches to Halloween specials, reveal what defines a truly memorable “spooky” sitcom, and dissect the episode’s many gags, guest stars, and surprising (Christmas-y?) vibes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Halloween Sitcom Episode: What Makes One Great?

[07:27-10:47]

• Halloween "formula": Costumes, in-jokes, guest stars, and especially a dash of actual spookiness.
  • Rider: “A little bit of danger or fear, which… this did not have any of that.” (08:45)
  • Will: “You'll talk to kids who are like, ‘Oh my god, that episode is so funny, but when I was 12 it scared the hell out of me.’” (08:31)
• Boy Meets World’s “And Then There Was Shawn” cited as top-tier, even though it aired in February and technically isn’t about Halloween.
  • Will: “If you did a list of the top five best sitcom Halloween episodes… ‘And Then There Was Shawn’ would be on that list.” (09:46)

First Impressions: The Cast's Experience with Sabrina

[06:31-07:24]

• None of the hosts had really watched Sabrina before; this was a first for Will and Rider.
• They joke about crossover cameo potential and reminisce about visiting sets (like Danielle seeing NSYNC perform on Sabrina).

What’s with the Christmas Vibe?

[17:01–18:47]

• The hosts immediately notice that the episode treats Halloween like Christmas—a family-centric day with gift-giving and obligations.
  • Rider: “Because of the nature of the show, this almost was more like a Christmas episode… it was interesting. It was like, because the show is about witches, it's like… their version of Christmas.” (17:09)
  • Danielle: “I didn’t even put that together… They were really trying to set it up like this is what your family thinks about Christmas.” (17:28)

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Sabrina the Teenage Witch 1x05 Recap (with Commentary)

Episode Setup & Crew

[17:50–20:55]

• Director: Gary Halverson, prolific sitcom director (Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, etc).
• Writer: Nell Scoville, creator of Sabrina.
• Notable guest stars include Sally Jessy Raphael (as herself), Emily Hart (Melissa Joan Hart’s sister), Diane McBain (as Grandma), and Nick Bakay (voice of Salem).

Opening Scenes & Credits

[27:41-29:31]

• The aunts sing “Halloween carols” and lavishly prep for what they consider the most important holiday—a near-parody of Christmas traditions.
• Opening credits: Each season of Sabrina had different credits; Season 1 features costume changes in a magic mirror.

Sabrina’s Dilemma and the Clone Plot

[36:31–39:17]

• Sabrina wants to go to Harvey’s party, but is forced to attend a family gathering in the magical realm instead, so she clones herself.
  • Clone can only say three sentences: “I’d love to,” “That is so true,” “Mr. Pool can be so annoying.” (38:11)

Hosts’ Tangent: What Would Your Clone Say?

[39:28-42:46]

• Hilarious exchange as each devises the three catchphrases their own clone would repeat.
  • Rider (on Will): “Okay, okay, okay, okay.” (39:34)
  • Will (on Rider): “I didn’t like it.” (40:34)
  • Will (on Danielle): “I can try to fit that in my schedule.” (41:55)

Double Mayhem: Two Parties, Clone Antics

[43:02–47:04], [58:07–66:09]

• Sabrina’s clone becomes the default party sidekick and is roped by Libby into streaking to save Harvey's dying party.

• At the magical family gathering, “Halloween” features gift-giving, jealous aunts, and a cousin who shrinks people into jars for fun. The cat Salem sits at a “kids’ table” with an alcoholic feline, yielding one of the hosts’ favorite gags.

  • Rider: “I would have loved if the whole episode was just the conversation… but I love that it’s like, no, it’s that drunk one. Oh my god. I thought that was so clever.” (51:08)

• Sabrina gets reanimation as her Halloween gift and uses it to see her deceased grandmother.

  • Will (on finalists for using the reanimation gift): “Having a meal with Jesus would be pretty incredible.” (65:10)

Finale: Streaking Climax & The Real Lesson?

[77:48–84:52]

• The clone, prompted by Libby, streaks through the party; Sabrina lets Libby take the blame.
• Libby’s reputation is ruined, and the hosts notice this “revenge fantasy” dynamic sharply contrasts with Boy Meets World’s compassionate endings.
  • Rider: “Boy Meets World never did that… It would always complicate that and be like, they’re not really your enemy.” (81:00)
  • Will: “There’s no revenge fantasy in Boy Meets World.” (81:31)

The Very Special… Christmas PSA?

[83:32–84:30]

• The tag features Sabrina delivering a direct-to-camera moral—a nod to Clarissa Explains It All and a tongue-in-cheek “true meaning of Halloween” monologue.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On sitcom Halloween episodes:

  • “A little bit of danger or fear, which... this did not have any of that.” — Rider Strong [08:45]

• On getting the ‘Scream’ vibe right:

  • “If you did a list of the top five best sitcom Halloween episodes… ‘And Then There Was Shawn’ would be on that list.” — Will Friedle [09:46]

• On the Christmas-ification of the episode:

  • “They were really trying to set it up like this is what your family thinks about Christmas. Yeah, you can’t miss Christmas. What do you mean? You want to go to your friend’s party. It’s a family holiday.” — Danielle Fishel [17:28]

• On the lack of emotional nuance in Sabrina:

  • “Boy Meets World never did that… It would always complicate that and be like, they’re not really your enemy…” — Rider Strong [81:00]

• Funniest recurring joke:

  • “Okay, okay, okay, okay.” — Everyone, imitating Will [39:34]
  • “I didn’t like it.” — Everyone, imitating Rider [40:34]
  • “I can try to fit that in my schedule.” — Everyone, imitating Danielle [41:55]

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------|-----------| | Podcast content starts (after ads) | 03:00 | | What makes a great Halloween episode | 07:27 | | First impressions of Sabrina | 06:31 | | Realizing the episode is modeled on Christmas | 17:01 | | Episode/character rundown | 17:50–23:50 | | Opening scene/Christmas parallel, credits | 27:41–29:31 | | The Clone Spell | 36:31–39:17 | | What would your clone say? (jokes) | 39:28–42:46 | | Party cross-cutting, commentary | 43:02–47:04, 58:07–66:09 | | The “revenge” ending & Boy Meets World contrast | 80:35–82:56 | | Direct-to-Camera Tag | 83:32–84:30 |

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Tone & Speaker Dynamics

• Light, playful, and sharply witty. The hosts lean on running gags, self-deprecation, and playful teasing—especially around ‘90s references and their own sitcom tropes.
• Nostalgic but self-aware. There’s affection for their sitcom past, but also a precise, critical look at the differences between meaningful, lasting storytelling and the silly, “wish fulfillment” of shows like Sabrina.
• Insightful industry callbacks. They share the practical realities of production (costumes, live audiences), casting (“no one ever crossed over!”), and give credit to directors, writers, and bit-part actors.

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Summary Takeaways

• Sabrina’s version of Halloween is oddly Christmas-like, focused on family obligation and gifts, which felt both clever and odd.
• Unlike Boy Meets World, which leans on emotional nuance and learning from antagonists, Sabrina delivers sitcom justice and instant karma.
• The hosts’ dynamic (riffing on each other, improvising jokes about their own lives) is as much the episode’s highlight as the show they’re reviewing.
• For those who missed the era, the recap brings the magic, absurdity, and comfort of TGIF’s heyday squarely into 2025—reminding us why we still care so much about these stories.

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Next up:

• The hosts tease a spookier Family Matters Halloween special featuring Urkel and a dummy. Get ready to (maybe) haunt that!

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This summary covers all major beats and is useful for listeners new to either Boy Meets World, Sabrina, or ‘90s sitcom culture as seen through the lens of sitcom insiders and lifelong friends.

Transcript

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Guys, I woke up this morning and my aura ring told me that my readiness score for the day was a 66 and that I would probably be best served by taking many rests.

[Rider Strong]

And I thought a bunch of stuff I don't understand. I was like, okay, you have an aura ring. Don't you remember?

[Wilfred L.]

They sent Danielle one and not one to either of us.

[Rider Strong]

Right, right. I was just like, I. I consulted my crystal this morning and I need to meditate more.

[Danielle Fishel]

I couldn't find that aura ring they sent me. I had to just pay for a brand new one, which is. Feel comfortable talking about it because it's not an ad. I bought my aura ring.

[Rider Strong]

Okay, what is 67 out of what?

[Danielle Fishel]

100 out of 100? So basically it's like you're so depleted, so it keeps tracking.

[Wilfred L.]

That's how I look at it. You're passing. What's the problem?

[Danielle Fishel]

It was like, you should take lots of rests today. And I was like, well, the good news is I'm only podcasting from 9 to 12, rehearsing from 1 to 5, doing interviews from 5 to 7, and then back to rehearsal from 8 to 10. So that's two rehearsals.

[Rider Strong]

Oh my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's a. That's good. And so that's. So at least I'm only doing that.

[Wilfred L.]

Your aura, it just keeps pulsing black on your finger. You're like, what does this mean?

[Danielle Fishel]

Make it stop.

[Wilfred L.]

It's dialing 91 just in case and just waiting, giving it a second.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's got my obituary pre written like.

[Rider Strong]

The nice God Topang official died today morning. The loss.

[Wilfred L.]

And her funeral got eight.

[Danielle Fishel]

Seven, eight.

[Rider Strong]

She finally got an eight on her criminals.

[Wilfred L.]

An eight.

[Danielle Fishel]

Promise me you guys will rate my funeral. Promise.

[Rider Strong]

We'll just be there with paddles. The most distasteful thing I can imagine.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Judging.

[Wilfred L.]

Judging the whole thing. Just like I think she could have looked better in the coffin, if I'm honest.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Who picked that dress?

[Danielle Fishel]

I hated that fringe. Those fringe pants. Yeah, Terrible choice.

[Wilfred L.]

Who picked that song?

[Rider Strong]

Oh, it's awful. Oh, man. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Welcome to pod meets world. I'm Danielle Fishel.

[Rider Strong]

I'm Rider Strong.

[Wilfred L.]

And I'm Will Friedle.

[Danielle Fishel]

So we have once again found ourselves in the season of scary. October is upon us. Halloween is around the corner and that means a lot of online discourse about. And then there was Shawn. The memorable, possibly Best episode of Boy Meets World that the cast and crew lovingly refers to as the Scream episode. And we love seeing all of your appreciation for it. But also, we have now recapped the episode. Talk to the writer, talked to the director, writer, spoke to a horror expert about it. We have detailed it with every actor in the episode. Tried to find the janitor, tried to find the Sean stand in. I mean, we have done it all. So, to Pumpkin spice things up. This year we are going to recap some of our family sitcom contemporaries and their popular Halloween episodes to see why fans like ours so much. And first up is a TGIF neighbor, our more successful classmate, the valedictorian, maybe even Sabrina the Teenage Witch. It's a show that often deals in the spooky and occult, but we are looking at season one, episode five, A Halloween Story. It is currently available to stream on Disney right alongside Boy Meets World. Had either of you seen this episode before we watched this show?

[Rider Strong]

I had never seen an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

[Wilfred L.]

Whoa.

[Rider Strong]

This was your first ever? First experience with Sabrina.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wow.

[Rider Strong]

This is the third time I've seen this gone through. Did you watch it? Fourth time I've seen it gone through.

[Wilfred L.]

This. I'm kidding. This is the first episode of Sabrina I've ever seen in my life. Never seen it before.

[Danielle Fishel]

Really?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, of course.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Absolutely.

[Rider Strong]

Danielle, you watched it or you. You had seen it back in the day?

[Danielle Fishel]

I had seen an episode, yes.

[Rider Strong]

Okay. Wow.

[Wilfred L.]

So then none of us ever guest starred on Sabrina the Teenage Witch?

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Wilfred L.]

Nobody from Boy went over there. She came to us, but nobody went there.

[Danielle Fishel]

But NSYNC went over there, and I went and visited because I was with Lance. Okay, so.

[Wilfred L.]

And they never did an audience show.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Wilfred L.]

I'm pretty sure it was what Nick Bclay said.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. They never did a live show.

[Wilfred L.]

I could feel that. You can tell.

[Rider Strong]

It was so profound. I was like, there's no laughs.

[Wilfred L.]

Nope.

[Rider Strong]

No one's laughing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Yeah. It does make a huge difference.

[Wilfred L.]

Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you guys have any. Before we jump into the recap, do you guys have any thoughts on what makes a successful Halloween episode?

[Wilfred L.]

For what? For a sitcom.

[Danielle Fishel]

For a sitcom. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I think. I think fun costumes, you know, like, witty sort of in jokes. Like in this one, they had the whole James Dean thing, which I thought was pretty clever and fun, but, yeah, seeing people do costumes. Costumes, right. Like, that's gotta be part of it. What else?

[Wilfred L.]

Well, again, I think it depends on the show. So. One of my favorite Halloween episodes of all time is, of course, mash they do a great episode where they're getting up, dressing to go to a party. And so there's some really funny things going on. But then there's a soldier that has. That is dead. That Graves registration is coming to pick up the whole episode. And as Father Mulcahy comes back from the orphanage, he's giving last rite. And the guy essentially wakes up and has been. Isn't in fact dead. So there's like spooky and creepy, but there's also funny. And it had a lot of guest stars, like George Wendt from Cheers was on it. And there's like. So there's that combination. Like that's the thing about. And then there was Sean. That was so good is you'll talk to kids who are like, oh, my God, that episode is so funny. But when I was 12, it scared the hell out of me.

[Rider Strong]

I think a little bit of danger or fear, which. This did not have any of that.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no.

[Rider Strong]

I also think along with costumes, maybe some like mistaken identity stuff which we had a little bit of in there will be Sean, you know, like who's behind the mask question. Or like people wearing. You know, and they did that mystery. A little bit of like intrigue, like, because you have the costumes, which this did as well.

[Danielle Fishel]

Meta references. Some meta references sprinkled in there. But Will, that's a really good point about like a good guest star. If you. If you can get like a good guest star in a Halloween episode, especially if they tie into some of the things writer saying, like the Myst. Like the Scream episode. Jennifer Love Hewitt was a perfect. Like, that was great. It added so much to the episode. Even if her part wasn't so massive or crucial to the storyline. It just makes a fun Halloween episode.

[Wilfred L.]

I think so too. I honestly think. And I know I'm biased and this is something Ryder and I say all the time on our other show, Podmeet's tutorial. Check it out.

[Danielle Fishel]

That my favorite show.

[Rider Strong]

Your favorite.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you.

[Wilfred L.]

I honestly think that if you did a list of the top five best sitcom Halloween episodes of any genre. As long as it's sitcom, I think. And then there were Sean and then there was Shawn would be on that list.

[Rider Strong]

Even though technically wasn't a Halloween episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know, right?

[Wilfred L.]

I know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Even though it aired in February, it's not a Halloween.

[Rider Strong]

No. So we're. I mean, people are screaming at their radios right now because.

[Wilfred L.]

I know.

[Rider Strong]

You know, but it's.

[Wilfred L.]

But we consider it one. So I don't care what you say.

[Rider Strong]

We never Talk about Halloween in it. It's not themed at all.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's not.

[Wilfred L.]

It's. It's actually a horror episode. It's a horror parody episode over being a Halloween episode.

[Rider Strong]

So now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like the part, like, the. The spirit of Halloween is the spirit of, like, the carnival esque. Right. The idea that, like, people are going to be different than they normally are. Like, things are going to go a little awry. Like, there's a little bit of, like, you know, madness and, like, adventure and a little bit of chaos and like, I think that that's. That's really. If you have that in your Halloween episode, it's good, you know?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Turn on its head. Taking the reality that everyone understands and then turning it on its head and being like, now figure it out.

[Rider Strong]

Right. And like, we're a little freer. This. We can do something different, you know, tonight.

[Wilfred L.]

You're right. Because we had another to Danielle's point about guest stars, because we had. We had Candace Cameron on the other episode that we did in the real Halloween episode. We did. So, yeah, that's.

[Rider Strong]

That's an important season one Halloween episode. We also had missed identities when Mr. Feeny thinks it's Corey trick or treating and he pulls the mask off and it was dusty. You know, like, there's a lot of, like, yeah, it's fun.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Wilfred L.]

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[Asma Khalid]

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[Tristan Redman]

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[Asma Khalid]

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[Danielle Fishel]

All right, well, let's jump into our recap. This is Sabrina the teenage witch, season one, episode five, a Halloween story. It is the season one Halloween episode. It originally aired October 25, 1996. So the synopsis. It's Halloween and Harvey is throwing a party. Sabrina wants to go, but Zelda forces her to attend a family get together instead. So in an attempt to appear at both, Sabrina clones herself.

[Rider Strong]

I will say, interestingly, like, because of the nature of this show, this almost was more like a Christmas episode.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, because they're really giving gifts. I know.

[Rider Strong]

And like, the way they talk about Halloween is like it's the big holiday of the year and they give gifts and then like the whole grandma storyline, that's like.

[Danielle Fishel]

And yeah, you wear in this dress.

[Rider Strong]

It was interesting. It was like this sort of like, because the show is about witches, it's like, like it's their version of Christmas.

[Danielle Fishel]

So funny. I didn't even put that together. But you're absolutely right. They were really trying to set it up like this is what your family thinks about Christmas. Yeah, you can't miss Christmas. What do you mean? You want to go to your friend's party. It's a family holiday.

[Rider Strong]

So it's a weird, like, combo, but which I actually thought was kind of clever.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was gonna say that makes it cuter to me. I really like it.

[Wilfred L.]

I never even thought about that. But that's absolutely right. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was directed by Gary Halverson, an Emmy winning TV director with 55 directing credits on Friends, 61 on Everybody Loves Raym, 34, two and a half Men, and basically every Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade since I have been alive. So this one is. This is one of over two dozen Sabrinas he directed. And also one of his earliest jobs was on the Spanish variety show Shusha. That's one of his first jobs. You guys never heard of Shusha?

[Wilfred L.]

Are we supposed to know what Shusha.

[Danielle Fishel]

Listen, I don't know what Shusha is either, but Jensen, I think his mom liked Shusha.

[Wilfred L.]

Knows I like is what it is. Guys, I liked Shousa. I promise you, if you saw Shusha, you would remember her. She was like this beautiful. It was a Spanish show. Yes. And she would run around stage in little shorts. Shousa, Shousa. She would like dance. All right, there's people loving this, but Shusha forever. Shusha till I die.

[Rider Strong]

Shusha till I die. Do you have a Shusha tattoo?

[Wilfred L.]

He will.

[Danielle Fishel]

He will.

[Rider Strong]

Now that I said that, now that.

[Danielle Fishel]

We'Ve challenged him, he will. It was written by Nell Scoville, the creator of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. She also worked on the David Letterman show, the Simpsons, Monk and Newhart. And more recently she co wrote the 2013 book Lean in alongside Sheryl Sandberg, the former COO of Facebook. So it stars Melissa Joan Hart as Sabrina Spellman, a former guest of this podcast and the cornerstone of tgif. Her mom, producer Paula Hart was instrumental in getting the show off the ground. And I suggest you listen to our interview with her to get the whole story. It is very inspirational. And then there's Caroline Rae as Hilda Spellman. Caroline began as a standout stand up comedian in the 1980s and might be best known for her role on Sabrina. But she has been in so much, including her own popular daytime Talk show in 2002. She is the voice of Linda on Phineas and Ferb. She starred in a Disney show. I directed a whole lot of Sidney to the Max and was at One time, the host of the now controversial reality competition show the Biggest Loser. Beth Broderick as Zelda Spellman. Broderick's resume is never ending on TV shows like Hearts Afire and Under the Dome. Then there's Nate Richard as Harvey Kinkle, another former guest. Nate had a come and go relationship with Sabrina, but was brought back because he was such a beloved character. He also appeared in TV shows like the Tony Danza show, Touched by an angel, and one classic film called game box 1.0.

[Wilfred L.]

When are we watching this movie? When are we watching this movie?

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm gonna put it off as long as I can. When are we watching? Then there's Jenna Lee Green. Is Libby Chesler still working in Hollywood? Jenna was on 74 episodes of Sabrina and episodes of Dharma and Greg, ER Bones and Blue Bloods. And finally, Nick McKay as the voice of Salem Saberhagen, yet another former Pod Meets World guest. Nick was a busy Hollywood comedy writer who found his way as a voice actor as well and will forever be a immortalized as Salem. But if we're being honest, it's not even the coolest thing about him. He commonly collaborates with Kevin James and helped create Paul Blart. He's also written on shows like the King of Queens, Young Sheldon, and his own show, Bookie. So guest starring Sally Jesse Raphael. Like you do herself, the iconic 90s talk show host plays herself and is somehow not that great at it.

[Wilfred L.]

No. Very bad. I didn't buy her as herself.

[Danielle Fishel]

I didn't either.

[Rider Strong]

Being a talk show host, very different than being an actor.

[Danielle Fishel]

No. Okay. Emily Hart as Amanda. She would appear in nine episodes of Sabrina, but later become the voice of the actual Sabrina on the animated series. Her last credit was in 2009. Then we have Diane McBain as Granny. A popular actress in the 60s, she's best known for the TV show Surfside Six and as Elvis's love interest in 1966's Spin Out. Wow. Worth noting. In 1982, she was beaten, robbed and sexually assaulted by two men in her West Hollywood garage at 1:30am as she came home from a party. In response. And because the men were never apprehended, she began a second career as a rape victim counselor. And she did some amazing work for those in need. She passed away in 2022 at the age of 81.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Rider Strong]

That was a journey.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Then there's Robin Riker as Marigold. Another.

[Wilfred L.]

How many people are on this show?

[Danielle Fishel]

I didn't remember any of these people. It keeps going. It just keeps Going and. And honestly, I don't know how. How long we need all these. These descriptions, but my God, this episode's gonna be four hours long. I'm not even done with the names. We've got Robin Riker as Marigold. Another busy TV actress. Riker began her career on mash. She was Nurse Perry in season six, Fallen Idol. She'd appear on welcome Back Cotter, highway to Heaven, Bold and the Beautiful Get a Life and the dcom Brink. Everyone's favorite.

[Wilfred L.]

Not everyone's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Linda Cash as the voice of m'. Lady. Cash was a busy comedian at the time. She appeared on Seinfeld. She was Gwen in the Lip Reader and multiple earnest movies and is in Waiting for Guffman and Best in Show.

[Rider Strong]

She's the voice of the drunk cat.

[Wilfred L.]

Yep, Correct. She is alcoholic cat.

[Danielle Fishel]

She's still working today, but mostly in voiceover. And an old friend of ours, Philip Glaser, is featured background as James Dean, too. Philip was most famously the voice of Feifel Mouskowitz in An American Tale and played Ubaldo in an episode of Boy Meets World. He has become a movie producer, working on movies like the War with Grandpa, the Illusionist, and Camp Hideout.

[Rider Strong]

And he was a Gavroche, too. He was the. Did we have Phil?

[Wilfred L.]

We should have Phil on the show.

[Rider Strong]

We should.

[Wilfred L.]

We should totally have Phil on the show.

[Rider Strong]

So he was in this and didn't have any lines. I didn't.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, he was one of the James Deans. Because what you. What kids normally do when they get together at a Halloween party is have multiple James Deans.

[Danielle Fishel]

None of them committed to a jacket, though. They all just had white T shirts.

[Wilfred L.]

The greasers. Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

Also, question, before we even get into it, was it popular in the 90s to dress as characters from 30 years your junior, 40 years your junior?

[Wilfred L.]

That's all anybody did, was dress like they were from the 50s.

[Rider Strong]

No. Yes. No. Yes, it was.

[Danielle Fishel]

Come on. I was a sexy cop.

[Rider Strong]

Me too. I remember that year. I remember you at Will's holiday party.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Sexy cop in. Yeah. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was not. We were not like, ooh, Marilyn Monroe. Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

Everybody dresses like. What do you mean? I'm Carol Carl Burnett. Like, wait, what?

[Danielle Fishel]

What?

[Wilfred L.]

Who are you addressing?

[Rider Strong]

I guess writers thought because we did a 50s episode where we knew I was like a greaser.

[Danielle Fishel]

And like.

[Rider Strong]

So, yeah, I guess for our writers, that's.

[Wilfred L.]

That was like, I just see this kid going to a Halloween store and being like, oh, God, the Ralph Kramden costume's gone. Like, hold on.

[Rider Strong]

Didn't we dress. I. I mean, I was definitely Jim Morrison one year. Like, didn't we dress like 60s and 70s people? Did you guys ever do that? Really?

[Wilfred L.]

No, I don't think. I guess hippie is a thing that's.

[Rider Strong]

Like flower child or whatever.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, I thought the same thing too.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was like, is this a French maid?

[Rider Strong]

You were a French maid when you were like 12.

[Danielle Fishel]

12. I was also again, I was a French maid at 14. I did it twice. I liked it so much. I was a, you know, I was a witch.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, you would just put sexy in front of things like I'm a sexy cat.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm a sexy gopher.

[Rider Strong]

I'm a sexy witch.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, exactly. Did I really have a Halloween party or were you guys kidding? Kidding.

[Danielle Fishel]

No. You really.

[Rider Strong]

Your big one at your house that it rained. It was a disaster.

[Wilfred L.]

Oh, the big, big one that I remember.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, okay.

[Wilfred L.]

Yes, okay. That I do remember. You were there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Me? Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Danielle and I hung out most of the time. I remember hanging out in her hallway and she's a sexy cop. I don't even know what high was. We just talked. I remember it started raining.

[Wilfred L.]

She and I started drinking because we planned the party for months. And so I started drinking.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like you were already drunk when I arrived.

[Wilfred L.]

Oh, I'm sure it was like. Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I just remember you being so pissed. You're like, I'm never doing this again.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm never doing this again.

[Rider Strong]

I'm never having a party at my house again. You never did.

[Danielle Fishel]

And you never did.

[Rider Strong]

You never have a party again. Yeah, that's right. Guys.

[Wilfred L.]

I never threw a party at my house ever again.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, right, exactly. That we were invited to. But listen, you're going to have one next year.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, yeah, big one. We're going to have. I'll have the big one next year.

[Danielle Fishel]

Next year.

[Rider Strong]

Two.

[Danielle Fishel]

Two, two.

[Wilfred L.]

Well, I'm going to throw the pod meets world thing. But no, the big one. The big one is not going to.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Be at the house.

[Wilfred L.]

No, we're renting a place and I'm going to rent. Oh, hell yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm so excited about that.

[Wilfred L.]

He's for promise 50th birthday. It's also my 10 year anniversary. I'm throwing the prom I never got a chance to go to. So we're full on throwing a 90s prom. We're gonna rent a place, limos. Like we're throwing a promo.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah, I'm getting, I'm getting a party van.

[Rider Strong]

I'm gonna wear tails and Birkenstocks.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, I want Hundreds. You're not gonna wear your Sporin.

[Rider Strong]

How am I gonna know you're. What's a Sporin?

[Wilfred L.]

Is that. That's the thing you wear in the front of a kilt.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're sporting.

[Rider Strong]

No, I think I should go tails. And. And.

[Danielle Fishel]

And Birkenstocks.

[Rider Strong]

Birkenstocks with socks.

[Danielle Fishel]

Should I wear my actual prom dress that I wear to my prom with Lance?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, sexy prom.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was a two piece. Should I wear that? Should I wear my actual prom dress? I know. I want to. I want to find another 90s prom dress.

[Wilfred L.]

It's gonna be awesome. Well, Lance will be. I want to invite everybody. There's gonna be hundreds of people there. Like, I want this to be a raging, huge party that, like, they're gonna have to set back parties to just get this one to dissipate. It's gonna be great.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, I love it. I love it. All right, let's jump into our recap. We start in the Spelman kitchen.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, no, we gotta go to the opening credits first. Oh, okay. Which actually maybe came after the cold, but are these the opening credits? All the time she's just in front of a mirror.

[Wilfred L.]

Yes.

[Rider Strong]

Changing her clothes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Doing magic Changes.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, it changes. Oh, it does.

[Rider Strong]

Okay, so every. Cause when I end here with her being my butt. Look big.

[Danielle Fishel]

It comes after the cold open, but I'll do it now. Okay, fun fact. Sabrina the Teenage Witch had different opening credits for its various seasons. The first three seasons featured Sabrina changing costumes in a mirror, while season four used rising bubbles with background characters and Sabrina in costumes. While seasons five through seven incorporated a vocal theme song and showed Sabrina in different Boston locations before arriving at her destination.

[Wilfred L.]

Okay, I just remember the theme song.

[Danielle Fishel]

The. Right.

[Wilfred L.]

When you're. Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Sabrina the Teenage Witch. That was a great one. Yeah, yeah. When you're doing the magic on this road called life casting spells is what you're doing. This one guy writing everybody's theme song.

[Danielle Fishel]

All right, so Aunt Hilda and Aunt Zelda, or Aunt Hilda and Aunt Zelda are joyfully singing in the kitchen while decorating for Halloween. That's not a real song they're singing, right? Did anybody recognize that song?

[Rider Strong]

No.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. They point to a Jack o' lantern and it magically lights up. Then young Sabrina rushes downstairs to ask what they're doing to Salem the cat because she heard him screeching. Zelda rolls her eyes. Very funny. We were singing a Halloween carol. Aunt Hilda chimes in. Happy Halloween. Bet she couldn't sleep last night with all the excitement and anticipation. Right off the bat, Writer. You're absolutely right. They're just setting this up and it's Christmas. It flew right over my head.

[Wilfred L.]

Mine, too.

[Rider Strong]

That's so funny.

[Danielle Fishel]

Flew right over my head. Sabrina sarcastically responds, I managed to. Zelda isn't impressed. That's not the spirit. Halloween is our favorite holiday. It's a magical night. The aunts try to get Sabrina into the spirit by singing, have a jolly holly Halloween. How did we miss this?

[Wilfred L.]

Now that. Now I'm just.

[Danielle Fishel]

I feel very, very dumb. I am not gonna lie.

[Wilfred L.]

To be worse, I watched it twice.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did you? Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, once and a half.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Wilfred L.]

I watched it, zipped through the second time, but yes.

[Rider Strong]

God, I didn't think about it at all.

[Danielle Fishel]

My God.

[Rider Strong]

Wow. All right.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sorry, Will. We are just o. But Sabrina begs them to stop. She insists she's trying to get into the spirit by going to school in a costume. She adds a pair of red glasses to her red velvet top and wants her aunts to guess who she is. They're stumped. So Sabrina says, sally, Jessie Raphael. Now she's self conscious. Do I need a microphone? Hilda deems it the lamest costume she's ever seen. And Zelda notes, it's just a pair of glasses. Sabrina challenges them, if you can do better, be my guest. Without hesitation, Hilda zaps Sabrina and replaces her with the real Sally. Jesse Raphael. Sabrina is still in Sally's body, stunned by her reflection in the mirror, commenting, Next up, we are going to talk to a teenage witch and her aunts who take things too far. Hilda and Zelda continue their upbeat Halloween carol and dance around the kitchen. And then we go to the opening credits, which you've already heard me talk about.

[Rider Strong]

This is when I was like, has there been a. Has there been a laugh? Yes.

[Wilfred L.]

I thought the same thing. Like, there's. You can tell there's no audience. There's just a different energy.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, but it also just wasn't that funny.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no.

[Wilfred L.]

It's also. They weren't even going for a laugh episode in. This is the fifth episode of season one, so they're probably still finding their footing. My guess is if we watch season three, it's going to be way different.

[Rider Strong]

I know. But in general, I did not find this show that funny. And I just. What I realized is, like, oh, there's a lot of events happening.

[Wilfred L.]

You know, like big.

[Rider Strong]

There's. There's story. There's a gag happening, and it's a gag show. Right. It's like there's. They. They have this ability to Always, you know, just have a spell, fix things or change things. And so as a result, it's like there's less. I feel like there was less pressure on them to really develop the dialogue or really have, like, sort of witty repartee or. I don't know, like, when I think about Boy Meets World, like, an average Boy Meets World scene would have, like, a bunch of really clever little lines in there that you'd be like, oh, that was funny.

[Danielle Fishel]

That was.

[Rider Strong]

Whereas this was much more like this big thing happens. She changed into this person, then she's changing it. But you're not, like, laughing at what people are actually saying.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, you have to really be into visual effects in order to be like you're. If. If you're like, wow, cool, Then. Then it's gonna feel great otherwise. Yeah, it's a little like. I'm not sure I love the content of what Right. Is going on in the show.

[Rider Strong]

Right. For instance, can you tell the difference between the two ants in terms of character?

[Wilfred L.]

There were two ants.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, they're just kind of like, you know, like, everyone's just sort of of.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can tell that one is supposed to be the Type A ant and one is supposed to be the fun ant. That's. That's what from the takeaway for me is that one is the one that keeps every. One is the Danielle and the other one is the Will.

[Rider Strong]

Right.

[Wilfred L.]

Okay, gotcha.

[Rider Strong]

Where's the mopey writer?

[Danielle Fishel]

That'd be Sabrina.

[Wilfred L.]

It's the cat.

[Danielle Fishel]

The magical one. It's the cat.

[Wilfred L.]

Well, that's my question.

[Rider Strong]

You guys would know Salem of this.

[Wilfred L.]

Group, but do they ever tell you why Salem is a kid cat? Do we ever find out why?

[Danielle Fishel]

Right. They turned him into. Oh, you mean like, did he do something bad?

[Wilfred L.]

Like, did they find out why?

[Rider Strong]

Was he a person originally?

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, sounds like he was a person. Turned him into a cat. And I was like, do they ever explain that?

[Danielle Fishel]

Or is he just naughty? He did something naughty.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

All right. We're in the school hallway. Sabrina spots Harvey and tries to dodge him, but it's too late. He hands her an invitation to his upcoming Halloween party. His parents are making him throw it. Sabrina jokes. Bummer. Next thing you know, they'll be making you go on a ski trip. Boy, kids love skiing. They had no kids tgif. Kids. Skiing is just where it's big.

[Rider Strong]

Find those ski bunnies.

[Danielle Fishel]

Harvey explains his dad always buys in bulk and they have snacks that'll expire in November. Sabrina examines the pumpkin invitation. No wonder it says all food must be eaten by midnight. Harvey's thinking about going as James Dean. All he needs is a white t shirt je and something to lean on. Real 90s kids favorite James Dean. So weird. He asks if Sabrina could come over early to help set up, but Sabrina can't. She has a family thing and her aunts take Halloween very seriously. She calls it weird, but Harvey can relate. That's how his mom is about Flag Day. Just then, Libby walks up and tells Harvey, I got your invitation. See you at 8. Unless you need me to come early and help. What luck. Harvey says sure and Libby grins and then walks away. Way now that we have Ryder thankfully is the smart one here and has fully put together that this is a joke about Christmas. I love also this joke about Flag Day. It's very funny that you assume he's going to say that's how my mom is about Christmas. Instead, it's Flag Day. It's a Christmas episode that changes. Everything changes now that we think about it. So Harvey smiles at Sabrina. Now you don't have to feel bad. Bad, but we can See the teenage witch is now disappointed. Why was she trying to ditch him at the beginning of the scene if she obviously has a background on him? Yeah, maybe that's the serialized part of it. Something happened last week. I don't know. Or maybe she's just nervous around him. I don't know. But it felt like she wants to go to the party and she wants to go early to help him set up. So I don't know. Well, we're back in the Spelman living room. Sabrina's pleading with her Aunt Zelda she has to go to Harvey's party, but Zelda firmly tells her no. Sabrina turns to Hilda. What if I promise to be with the family all Thanksgiving? Hilda shrugs. We're not big on Thanksgiving. That holiday was started by puritans who weren't exactly witch friendly little history joke. Laugh riot. They're witches.

[Wilfred L.]

Christmas Story.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sabrina whines about celebrating stupid Halloween and Zelda puts her in her place. Hallows Eve is a time for remembering the day dead. Sabrina quips. Oh, that sounds like fun. She throws herself onto the couch and continues with the sarcasm. I know. I'll just have a terrible time. Hilda, who is not as into this family gathering as Zelda is, joins in on the sarcasm. And that's what family gatherings are all about. Do you think I want to listen to Cousin Marigold brag about how married she is and how single I am? No. Zelda chimes in. But we Go. Because it's tradition. Hilda forces a smile and adds, and Zelda makes it me. Sabrina doesn't get it, and now you're making me. Hilda reminds her tradition. Zelda compromises, telling Sabrina that if they're back in time, she can go to Harvey's party. But Sabrina still isn't satisfied. Libby's going early, so unless I'm there from the start, I may as well go to the Other Realm and never come back.

[Rider Strong]

She's a little confused. Caroline was just kind of sitting at the piano.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Not playing it.

[Wilfred L.]

Just.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no, she doesn't play.

[Rider Strong]

I was like, is she playing the.

[Danielle Fishel]

What? She's. She's. She's gonna play it when we go to commercial break.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

The cat's talking and you're worried about the piano.

[Rider Strong]

I know. I was just like, this is strange. What are we.

[Wilfred L.]

Talking?

[Danielle Fishel]

She storms out of the room, and Hilda asks Zelda, can I go to Harvey's party? Now we're in Sabrina's room. Sabrina enters, pouting. It's so unfair. They can't make me go to the Other Realm. And she is talking to her magical black feline sailor, Salem. He argues, they made me a cat. You're messing with the wrong crowd. Sabrina asks, so there's no way I can go to Harvey's party? Salem suggests checking her magic book in the full body duplication section. She rushes to the chapter and realizes she can make a double that looks and acts exactly like her. This way, she can send her clone to the family event and the real Sabrina can go to Harvey's. But Salem says, hijinks.

[Rider Strong]

I sense hijinks.

[Wilfred L.]

Oh, for the record, because I know everybody wants to know this, Salem was turned into a cat as a punishment from the Witches Council for attempting to take over the world.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, okay, right.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Wilfred L.]

There you go.

[Danielle Fishel]

Pretty generic.

[Wilfred L.]

And was stripped of his magical abilities.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay, okay, so that won't work, because her aunts would spot the switch in no time. So Sabrina decides her double will just hold her place at Harvey's until she can join. And begins the spell. Double, double, toil and trouble. And that's the spell. It seems. That's all it is.

[Wilfred L.]

Seems simple.

[Danielle Fishel]

A little too simple to make a clone, you know?

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah, it seems simple.

[Danielle Fishel]

Salem cuts in. Bill Shakespeare stole that from us. What a hack. Sabrina, just standing there, states the obvious. It didn't work. But Salem instructs her to step aside. And sure enough, a double stands in her place. Oh, gee. Sabrina is in awe. Salem adds some important info. The clone can't talk until she's given something to say. Say. And the biggest caveat. It can only say three sentences total. Sabrina wants to be smart about this. She decides the first sentence will be I'd love to. She points to the double and it cheerfully mimics the words. Then she lands on the second selection. That is so true. And again the double copies are. Finally, she wants it to have one universal truth in its arsenal. So she decides on Mr. Pool can be so annoying. Sabrina's happy with the vocabulary, but realizes her clone needs a costume. She magically puts a witch costume on her clone. Hey, I look really cute. The clone responds, that is so true. And Sabrina giggles. I like me. Would either of you want a clone?

[Wilfred L.]

Hell yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Wilfred L.]

Now my question is, though. And a three is gonna be too much. I'll ask you each to pick one. If you've got to convince people the clone is you, what's one of the sentences you make your clone say?

[Rider Strong]

Why don't we do this for each other? Let's do this for each sentences. For Will would be. Okay, okay, that's one. Which is the famous Wilfred L. Response to any note from Michael Jacobs or a director. You didn't do that scene, right? Could we try it? Okay, okay, okay, okay. The next Willfred L. Line would be.

[Danielle Fishel]

I've got a cold. I can't.

[Rider Strong]

I'm sick.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can't, I can't. I'm sick.

[Rider Strong]

I don't want to get you sick. I can't. I don't want to get you sick.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sick.

[Rider Strong]

And the third Will Fidel line would be something.

[Danielle Fishel]

What's the funniest possible thing? Something self deprecating and horrible to himself.

[Wilfred L.]

Just, yeah, just trying to get through this life as fat as I am.

[Rider Strong]

Something like this. There it is. I can't hear you through all the fat.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, that's like one.

[Rider Strong]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Wilfred L.]

How about, how about a Ryder strong? What, what are Ryder's three sentences?

[Danielle Fishel]

I didn't like it.

[Wilfred L.]

I didn't, I didn't, I didn't like it. Really?

[Danielle Fishel]

I didn't like it. I didn't like it.

[Rider Strong]

I, I, I know what you would have said back in the Boy Beats World Day because you, you and Ben used to always imitate me by going, socrates once said. Socrates.

[Wilfred L.]

Socrates.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's right.

[Rider Strong]

That was, that was your writer impression. Oh, my God, I forgot.

[Danielle Fishel]

I can hear it. Can hear it.

[Wilfred L.]

Socrates once said.

[Danielle Fishel]

Socrates once said, that's great.

[Wilfred L.]

That's great. And then maybe something like, you know, it just wasn't that great. A film.

[Rider Strong]

There you go. I didn't like it.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, I didn't like. It works for our books, films, anything. It has to be something about. No, I know, I know the other one. I can't. I'm going to be on the road for eight weeks in a small camper van.

[Rider Strong]

There you go.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Wilfred L.]

I'm. I'm having dinner with some friends.

[Rider Strong]

Friends.

[Danielle Fishel]

Not you.

[Wilfred L.]

Not you.

[Rider Strong]

Not you.

[Wilfred L.]

Dinner with some friends.

[Rider Strong]

All right, Danielle's lines. Let's go.

[Wilfred L.]

Danielle's lines.

[Danielle Fishel]

Jensen.

[Rider Strong]

Just screaming.

[Danielle Fishel]

Jensen.

[Wilfred L.]

Screaming Jensen's name.

[Rider Strong]

The next one would be. I mean. I mean, do we just. Do we just have, like.

[Wilfred L.]

I could try to fit that in my schedule.

[Rider Strong]

I can try to fit that.

[Wilfred L.]

I can try to fit that in my schedule.

[Rider Strong]

And she does. It's. She had to do an interview for our. Our project that we've been working on. And like, I was like, there's no way Danielle can do this right now. She did it.

[Wilfred L.]

There you go.

[Rider Strong]

Got back to them within a day. She's like, two hours. Here you go. And they were like, oh, my God. She's gonna. Oh, my God. And she nailed it.

[Wilfred L.]

There you go.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I could probably fit it in my schedule. And then something about Topanga. I mean, she's just got to.

[Wilfred L.]

She's got to just say, yeah, it's me.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, it's me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, that's me.

[Rider Strong]

Of course we can take a picture. Of course we can take. Of course we can take a picture.

[Danielle Fishel]

Of course we can take a picture.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, my God.

[Danielle Fishel]

J. J's the funniest.

[Rider Strong]

I can fit that in my schedule.

[Wilfred L.]

I can fit that in my schedule. Socrates was.

[Danielle Fishel]

You threw all the fat. Oh, my God, that is so funny.

[Wilfred L.]

Know each other too well.

[Rider Strong]

Amazing.

[Danielle Fishel]

We are outside of Harvey's house. Libby arrives at Harvey's door, and we see Sabrina with her double in the bushes.

[Rider Strong]

What?

[Danielle Fishel]

Sabrina gives her magical creation the lowdown. That's Libby. And she's really annoying. The double responds, Mr. Pool can be so annoying. Sabrina explains your mission is to make sure she's never alone with Harvey. Now with her barking orders, the clone walks out of the bushes and stands behind the Libby. Libby is shocked. You're not supposed to be here. You're totally butting in. The double nods. That is so true. Just then, Harvey answers the door. Hair slicked back, white shirt and jeans. He, in fact, did dress like James Dean. He leans against the door and grins. Hi, Libby. Then he notices Sabrina. Hi. You made it. You know, you look really good as a witch. Libby immediately Butts in. Did you notice I'm dressed as Jackie O. Another very popular teenager. Jackie.

[Rider Strong]

Oh really?

[Danielle Fishel]

Also, she's got a crush on this guy. She's like, I'm going to drink. I'm going to wear a very stuffy, brimming rocker opposite of sexy.

[Wilfred L.]

Sexy Jackie O. Yeah, exactly.

[Rider Strong]

She has a crush on Harvey. And so does Sabrina. Of course.

[Wilfred L.]

It's a triangle, Feeny.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, triangle Feeny.

[Wilfred L.]

That's what Eric says. You're in a triangle.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, you're in a triangle, comma, Feeny. Got it. Okay, I get it.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Wilfred L.]

I couldn't hear it through all my fat.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, we can take a picture together. Harvey invites them in and announces the game plan. He and Sabrina will put out the sodas and Jackie can fill the bathtub with cheez. Its okay. The real Sabrina watches on from the bushes. Yes, I'm in. And then we're in the Spellman house. Zelda is panicking, trying to get the family together even with instantaneous transport. We're going to be lit late. Salem's the first to arrive and he's wearing an adorable little bow tie. He groans. I feel like a Chippendales cat. Very popular. Again with the teens. Oh my God.

[Rider Strong]

It's some of those rare.

[Wilfred L.]

It's like Michael ran over to write this show too with all the random like what? What are these references?

[Danielle Fishel]

Then Sabrina appears in a casual top and jeans. Zelda lets her know, you are not going dressed like that. Sabrina smiles. Well, then I guess I'm not going. But Zelda doesn't let her off that easy. She changes Sabrina's outfit herself, dressing her in a very conservative bubblegum pink dress paired with mat matching tights. Sabrina hates it. I only wore this to make Granny happy. And now that she's passed away, I'm done with it. Zelda insists, it looks sweet on you. And Sabrina seems touched. That's what Granny used to say. Then Hilda bounds into the room. Let's get this show on the road. Zelda admires. You look nice, Hilda. Hilda oddly responds, pass the potatoes. Salem notes, someone's in a hurry. And Hilda again oddly responds, happy Halloween. Zelda is suspicious. She asks, asks, what color is my dress? And Hilda responds, pass the potatoes. Zelda caught her. Hilda, you are in big trouble. On cue, the real Hilda bursts through the door and mutters, stupid double. She frustratingly morphs back into one version of herself. Let's go. Zelda asks, am I the only one looking forward to this? Hilda and Sabrina respond in unison, yes. And walk into the Closet. A flash of lightning appears beyond the doorway. And now they're in an elevator going up and up and up. Which I would like to say is not instantaneous.

[Wilfred L.]

No.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sabrina impatiently asks, are we there yet? And then finally, the elevator door opens. This is very oddly directed, by the way I. This elevator, I think, was just one part of the wall that's in the same room as the party. Right. Did it look like that to you guys? There was it. It was like there was just a differently painted. And they had them stand in front of a beige wall. And then.

[Rider Strong]

But do they do this, like every episode? Do they go in this elevator?

[Danielle Fishel]

No. They don't visit the Other Realm in every episode? No.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

No.

[Wilfred L.]

I didn't even know it was a Christmas episode, so I noticed nothing.

[Danielle Fishel]

How high were you?

[Rider Strong]

I was gonna say, maybe it would have been more fun if you were first time.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's why you had to watch it a second time. Right?

[Wilfred L.]

You had to watch it a second again.

[Danielle Fishel]

They walk into a large room with a perfect view on Earth from where they're standing. Sabrina notes, no wonder my ears popped on the way up. Then an excited woman shouts, excited to see Zelda. It's Marigold, the host of the party, whose attention now turns. Marigold's attention turns to Hilda. She passive aggressively compliments her. That outfit always looks so nice on you. Hilda at first says, thank. And then interrupts herself. Wait. Marigold responds with another backhanded comment. I see you brought your cat.

[Asma Khalid]

That.

[Danielle Fishel]

But no dates. Zelda admits they're still not married. Marigold has had enough. Don't. I'll cry. Then immediately turns to her attention to Sabrina. I've heard you've gone to live with your aunts. Is it okay? Sabrina insists it's fine. Zelda chimes in. We love having her with us. Where was Sabrina before this?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. I don't know. The back.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know the backstory either.

[Wilfred L.]

Right. Because it's.

[Rider Strong]

We still.

[Wilfred L.]

We don't know why her parents aren't around.

[Danielle Fishel]

I know. Obviously.

[Rider Strong]

No. And I was also surprised when she talked to her grandmother and told her she was a witch. I was like, oh, so Grandma just thought she came back from the dead without magic and doesn't give him a.

[Danielle Fishel]

Witch, that there's another realm and that she could bring her back with magic. But that grandma doesn't know anything about what's happened since then is such a weird choice.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

I'm Googling.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Rider Strong]

Important stuff.

[Tristan Redman]

Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

This is important.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I have a feeling that the magic is a little loosey goosey on this show that maybe the rules are not as ironclad as, say, Harry Potter or.

[Wilfred L.]

So Sabrina lives with her aunts because her father Edward is away on a foreign service mission and her mother Diana is a mortal forbidden from interacting with Sabrina during her magical awakening.

[Rider Strong]

Oh, so she's just being. She's being taken away from her mom, I guess.

[Wilfred L.]

Her father sends her to live with his sisters who are witches to guide her as she discovers and learns to control her magical powers.

[Rider Strong]

Hours so. Oh my gosh, doesn't she miss her mom?

[Danielle Fishel]

You.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, she's going to school with mortals. Like, why can't she hang out with I.

[Wilfred L.]

That doesn't make a whole.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, her boyfriend, the guy she has a crush on is mortal. Oh, gosh, I don't know.

[Rider Strong]

It's like she's integrated in the mortal world. Like, why can't you just see her?

[Wilfred L.]

It seems like the rules might be a little.

[Rider Strong]

She just make this whole podcast trumpet sound from now on. You know, Socrates once said.

[Wilfred L.]

Socrates once said, I didn't like it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Marigold notes, a niece is almost like having a daughter. Then she points to her young daughter Amanda, telling Sabrina she gets to sit with her. Sabrina sarcastically responds, oh goody, we can talk about dolls. Then glares at her aunts with utter annoyance. Marigold ushers Zelda and Hilda to her table and tells Salem he'll be sitting with the other kids cats. But first she she must check on the consume. Or as Hilda would call it, soup.

[Rider Strong]

Soup.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hilda wonders what's wrong with soup. Zelda begs Hilda not to start, then sees Uncle Nunhi. Nunhi. Uncle. Do you guys remember this Uncle Noon? He's like, what? What are you saying? I. Yeah, okay. She passes Salem off to Sabrina before running over to him. Sabrina scowls. I can't believe I have to sit at the kitty table. Table. Salem harps in agreement. I can't believe I have to sit at the kitty table.

[Rider Strong]

The Ds became Ts and it made sense. That's the joke. I do, I do. I do love that he stuck with this drunk cat. I thought that was really clever.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's very funny that someone at a holiday someone is always stuck with the.

[Rider Strong]

Drunk guy with a drunk relative.

[Wilfred L.]

It's also a plate of catnip. It's like, it's like the cat's doing coke all night long.

[Rider Strong]

I would have loved if the whole episode was just the conversation because the obvious joke is that, like, he's stuck with a cat who doesn't Talk. Right. Like he's stuck with the cats. But I love that. It's like, no, it's that drunk one. Oh my God. I thought that was so clever. I was like, yes, yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Give me more drunk cats.

[Wilfred L.]

Which one of your cat would be Lucky or Pickles?

[Rider Strong]

Be.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Be the drunk.

[Wilfred L.]

Who would be the drunk in your cat?

[Rider Strong]

Well, actually. God, Pickles got in. Like Lucky just gets into every box we have. Yeah. And like, so I feel like Lucky would be the one. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was Pickles who went under the deck, right?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, yeah, Pickles. I don't. Pickles would insist on never having a drink and then have to deal with Lucky just pounding shots and acting like Chris Farley. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

But then his tone changes. Wait, give me a sec. Milady's here. Sabrina wonders who that is and Salem explains. It's Marigold's pet. She thinks her litter box doesn't stink. And what a lush. He's placed across from m'. Lady. And they're immediately served catnip. On the other side of the room, Sabrina introduces herself to Amanda. Amanda skips the niceties and goes straight for threat. You better be nice to me or I'll put you in a jar. Sabrina doesn't understand, so Amanda explains, I put all the people who aren't nice to me in jars. In. On cue, she pulls a jar out from under the table. Table. This is Mr. Altri. He tried to teach me math. Sabrina is horrified seeing a tiny little educator in a jar. Can he breathe in there? Amanda nods. Yes, I gave him air holes. Then she menacingly looks down at the shrunken teacher. Here's a math problem for you. Five air holes minus one air hole is how many. The teacher begs for his life. No, please. Amanda sticks her hand on one of the air holes anyway. And Mr. Altri pleads, I want to live. He gets down on his knees and repeats, I want to live much.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, well, I love this. And right around here I was like, imagine if you put all cinematic like capabilities of today and made this like a really beautiful, dark, like realistic scene.

[Wilfred L.]

It would be awesome. Like in Wednesday, something like that, right?

[Rider Strong]

Yes. Or like where the cats look like real cats and like. Yeah, it could be. You just take the storyline, take the script and. But you put it with like a real, like high quality production value. I'd be into that. Yeah. We should remake Sabrina. Just not change a word of the scripts.

[Wilfred L.]

I would, but I get you sick.

[Rider Strong]

Oh God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Amanda responds, nobody likes pop quizzes. She puts the jar back on the floor and asks Sabrina if she'd like to put someone in a jar. Sabrina says her aunts taught her it's not nice to use magic to hurt people. But Amanda explains. Explains, my parents let me use magic anytime I want, and I don't even have to ask. Sabrina calls her a brat under her breath, and Amanda asks, what was that? Sabrina nervously says, nothing. Over at the Grown Ups table, Hilda asks Marigold why she has to sit by herself. Why can't she just move over one seat? Zelda responds, I'm saving this for my husband. Poor Harold's been working so much these days, I'm not even sure he'll make it. But someone's got to bring home the prosciutto. Hilda rolls her eyes. What's wrong with Baker? Then Sabrina comes running up to Zelda. Can they go yet? Then Amanda walks up and yells at Sabrina, don't you walk away from me. I want to braid your hair. Dragging her away.

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[Tristan Redman]

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[Tristan Redman]

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[Asma Khalid]

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[Tristan Redman]

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[Wilfred L.]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Rider Strong]

Then the Aries comes out and they said, who the is that? No, you're gonna come for me being an Aries and you have a Sag moon.

[Danielle Fishel]

Get out of here. But I'm a Capricorn rising, so that honestly balances it out and makes me more likable.

[Jenny Garth]

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[Wilfred L.]

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[Danielle Fishel]

You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.

[Jenny Garth]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Over at Harvey's Halloween party. The party has begun, and somehow every man in attendance is dressed as James Dean. Yeah, it's also never mentioned.

[Rider Strong]

No, I like that, because I was like, why are they all.

[Wilfred L.]

Oh, everybody showed up and went, oh.

[Danielle Fishel]

Damn it, you're in the same costume.

[Rider Strong]

No, because they were all just going lazy.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's, you know, we're just wearing a T shirt for your Halloween costume. Yikes. Meanwhile, Sabrina's double is following Libby around like a hawk. Honestly, I wonder how much of this was production. Like, we don't have a bunch of costumes for background actors. Just put everybody in white T shirts now.

[Rider Strong]

Costumes aren't expensive. I think they blew it.

[Wilfred L.]

They blew it all in their elevator budget. Yeah, it was.

[Danielle Fishel]

Meanwhile, Sabrina's double is following Libby around like a hawk. Harvey approaches the girls and asks, did anyone eat anything Libby says deenie took a handful of pretzels, so Harvey nervously refills the giant ball bowl. Libby notes that the music is pretty loud, but Harvey says the neighbors haven't complained. And on cue, sirens begin to blare outside. Harvey runs out the door, telling the partygoers to turn the music down. Libby continues to monitor the snack tables as the double follows closely behind. Finally, Libby snaps, will you leave me alone? The double, with a huge smile on her face, doesn't respond. Libby tells her to stop smiling, but the double doesn't budge. Libby sighs, Ugh, you are such a goody two shoes. Finally, the clone responds, that is so true. True. Libby lightens up a little. Well, at least you admit it. You know, I'd like you a lot more if you just made fun of people, but I suppose you would never do that. The double says, Mr. Pool can be so annoying. And Libby's impressed. That's a start. Back at the Spelman's Halloween party, Mary Gold is showing off various pictures of her husband and their lavish lifestyle. She insists that if either of them ever have a honeymoon, they should take it in the south of France. Hilda assures her she's in no hurry to get married. And Zelda can confirms Hilda refuses to settle for any of the losers she's dated. Marigold then wonders what Zelda's excuse is. Hilda chimes in, she doesn't need an excuse. She's passionate about her intellectual pursuits. Her love life is all in her head. Right then. Amanda walks over and places a jar on the table. A shrunken Sabrina is inside. Amanda explains, she wouldn't color with me. Marigold laughs, that is so cute. From inside the jar, tiny Sabrina begs her aunts, can we please go home now? I'm really not having any fun, son. They stare at her in disbelief. Back at Harvey's Halloween party, Libby is explaining her costume to Sabrina's double. I chose Jackie O because I sort of see myself as the first lady of Westbridge High. The double responds, that is so true. Libby smiles. Thanks. Then Harvey bursts back in and notices the silence. He whispers to the girls, this party's dying. We gotta do something. He glances at the snack table and freaks out. Oh man. The onion dip is bubbling, bubbling. And he runs off with it. Why would the onion dip be bubbling?

[Rider Strong]

Because it's expired.

[Wilfred L.]

It's expired? I think so. It's like, because they bought it in bulk.

[Danielle Fishel]

Got it. And so. Okay, okay.

[Rider Strong]

A food bubbles when it's old.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wouldn't we say it's moldy.

[Wilfred L.]

But it's not as funny as bubbling.

[Danielle Fishel]

Not as bubbling.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was thinking, is it like a hot dip? Is it a hot onion dip?

[Wilfred L.]

I love a hot onion dip.

[Rider Strong]

Me too.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, God. If you had a cream cheese chili. Chili dip that you can put in a crock pot. You just buy a Hormel chili in a can and a block of cream.

[Wilfred L.]

Cheese whispering about it too.

[Danielle Fishel]

All I do now is think and talk about food.

[Wilfred L.]

Because you're not having it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Because I don't have time to eat and I wouldn't. And I just. Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

Anyway, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. Back to the show. Libby knows something must be done to save this party. Something big, something wild. Then an idea pops in her head. Someone should streak. It's fast, it's fun, it's naked. Clone. Sabrina responds, I'd love to. Libby is shocked. You'd streak. The double says it again. I'd love to. Libby laughs. This is a whole new you. Has anyone at any of the parties you've ever been to talked about streaking, thought about us being a streaker?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. Really? Yeah, of course.

[Danielle Fishel]

In the woods? Yeah, of course.

[Rider Strong]

And we got to go in the woods, too. Not streak? No. But not streaking for the sake. But like, like definitely. Getting naked and jumping in a pool or getting naked and jumping in the ocean. Getting naked. Jumping in a river. No.

[Wilfred L.]

You and your friends getting naked with each other. I'm just curious, like, what's a ball? Give me a ballpark once a week.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

My God. Really?

[Rider Strong]

No one skinny dipped? You guys never skinny dipped?

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't think so. No.

[Rider Strong]

Wow.

[Wilfred L.]

I skinny dip by myself at my own house. I've done that same.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, we go to a commercial break. We come back to Harvey's party. A defeated Harvey returns to Libby and Sabrina's double. This party is lame. I'd leave if it weren't mine. Libby says she's got it all taken care of. Sabrina's gonna streak. Harvey's shocked, grabbing Sabrina by the arm and pulling her aside. Side. I appreciate you trying to help out my party, but streaking is never the answer. Don't you know you'll be teased for the rest of high school? The double responds, that is so true. Harvey wonders, then why are you doing it? And the clone answers, Mr. Pool can be so Harvey sized. Don't change the subject. Look, this isn't like you. Why are you acting so weird? The double stammers, I. That Mr. Harvey throws his hands in the air. I can't even talk to you. I feel so alienated, giving off A real James Dean.

[Wilfred L.]

James Dean vibe. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Back to the Spelman's Halloween party. The two cats are sitting at the table with their plates of catnip licked clean. M' lady admits to Salem, you're the only one who understands me. Salem grunts, yeah, but that doesn't mean I care. Nearby, a now human sized Sabrina runs up to her aunts again. Dinner's over. Can we go now? Zelda huffs, we got you out of the jar. Stop whining. Shining Marigold announces to the room that it's time to open presents. Amanda's up first and she rips through her present with ease. Hilda comments, nothing like watching Halloween through the eyes of a spoiled child. Amanda beams a solid gold dolly. Thank you, Mommy. Marigold notes, it's from mommy and daddy. Hilda pipes in, we got Sabrina something too. Zelda hands her niece a small envelope and says it's from the both of them. Sabrina opens it and says, it's a gift certificate to spend half an hour with the deceased of your children choice. Even Marigolds is impressed. You got her a reanimation? Those are very pricey. Now little Amanda demands. I want a reanimation. She repeats herself over and over until Marigold has to rush her out of the room. Sabrina is still hung up on the gift certificate. What do I do with it? They explain she can do what she wants with it, but she must use it tonight when the gap between the living and the dead is at its weakest. Who would you two pick?

[Wilfred L.]

I was just thinking the same thing. But you can't pick family. Family. Oh say, let's just take family out of the equation because everybody, we would all pick somebody that we lost, that we love. So take that out of the way. Who would you pick?

[Rider Strong]

James Dean? No idea. Socrates.

[Wilfred L.]

I was gonna say Socrates once said.

[Danielle Fishel]

Man, I don't know.

[Rider Strong]

You must have an answer, Will.

[Wilfred L.]

You know I go back and forth. If you're talking about just interesting people. Having a meal with Jesus would be pretty incredible. Yeah, I mean that's cool.

[Danielle Fishel]

Some historical figure.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Some of the questions you could ask. Are you the actual. Let's get into it.

[Tristan Redman]

Okay.

[Wilfred L.]

I have several questions. Yeah, I mean that something like that would be cool. Or like Marcus Aurelius, like somebody from ancient Rome. Something like that could be kind of neat.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right? Right?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah. I don't know, man.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't know.

[Wilfred L.]

There's no author, like famous author you wish you could sit and like have a meal with. You could sit down with Hemingway or something like that. Hemingway.

[Rider Strong]

Jesus.

[Wilfred L.]

No, yeah, that'd be a tough meal.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, I guess. Maybe. Maybe an author. Yeah, probably Edward Abbey. I'd be Lincoln.

[Wilfred L.]

Abraham Lincoln. Be another one to be on my list of people I'd love to spend time with. Mark Twain. That would be a great conversation.

[Rider Strong]

Mark Twain.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'd like to just give my gift certificate to you and then I'll take a nap.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, great.

[Wilfred L.]

You could probably fit it in your schedule.

[Danielle Fishel]

I could probably fit that into my schedule. Let me fit that little nap happen. Sabrina suggests that maybe one of them should use it. See? Just like I did. She just wants to get back to Harvey's party and see him dress like James Dean. Hilda smirks. Why not meet the real James Dean? Sabrina's eyes light up. How does it work? Now she wants to have sex with James Dean. They walk into a nearby room and tell her to write down the name of the person she wants to see, then place it through the magic mail slot. Sabrina asks, how do I know I'm going to get the real James Dean and not the sausage? Sausage guy. Hilda explains, first of all, the sausage guy is still alive. But just in case, right? Star of Rebel Without a Cause. Sabrina grins at the thought, but then announces, I have a better idea. She writes down a name, puts it into the slot and asks, now what? Zelda says it's their time to leave. This is Sabrina's own personal private moment again. Really setting us up. She's having sex with James Dean, right?

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's seems like Hilda though wants to know who she chose but is dragged away by her sister. Sister. Now alone, Sabrina sits down on the couch and the candelabras begin to glow. Then Sabrina's grandma walks into the room. Am I correct that she opened the door?

[Wilfred L.]

Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's just opened the door.

[Wilfred L.]

She opens the door to the afterlife. Do you think she's on the other side with one of those hotel keys?

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, damn it. Yeah. Why is this door opening?

[Wilfred L.]

It doesn't work.

[Danielle Fishel]

Sabrina embraces her grandma, telling her how much she's missed her granny admires how sweet Sabrina looks in her dress. Back in the main room, Hilda and Zelda have taken their seats by Marigold, who notes their gift to Sabrina was lovely. Then she points to her own necklace and brags, harold gave me this. I picked it out myself. Zelda responds, which reminds me, she pulls out a gift from under the table and hands it to Hilda. Hilda rolls her eyes. They weren't supposed to exchange gifts this year, but Hilda pulls out a gift too. She couldn't help herself either. Marigold points out, thank God you have each other. The women unwrap their presents and they each got each other the exact same scarf. Zelda admits, we've been living together way too long. Then the cats shriek from the other end of the room. Milady angrily says, give that back. I know when I've had enough catnip. Marigold groans, oh, no. The cat's soused again. As Marigold gets up to help, Hilda wonders, why does one of our relatives always have to get drunk? Salem appears and spills the tea. You are not gonna believe what Milady just blurted out. The ladies lean in close as he repeats the guy gossip. Zelda gasps, I don't believe it. Marigold is splitting up with Harold. Hilda says, this is the best Halloween ever. In the other room, Sabrina is still catching up with her grandmother. She says, aunt Hilda and Aunt Zelda do more weird things before 9am than most people do all day. But they take great care of her. Her grandmother smiles. I always like them. Then she asks if Sabrina still enjoys science. Sabrina nods, yeah. My teacher, Mr. Poole can be so annoying, but he's actually a good guy. Granny asks if she has a boyfriend, to which Sabrina admits there's a boy she likes named Harvey. But right now they're just friends. Her grandmother is sure he'll fall for her, considering how beautiful and smart she is. Sabrina thanks her, then reveals there's something she'd like to tell her. I'm a witch.

[Rider Strong]

Okay.

[Wilfred L.]

Somebody just brought you back from the dead.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

Don't you think maybe you're gonna catch on to Something's going on On.

[Danielle Fishel]

She spent zero questions asking how this was happening. What?

[Wilfred L.]

Nothing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you like science? Seriously?

[Rider Strong]

Is that a weird thing?

[Danielle Fishel]

Her grandma doesn't really flinch. Well, dear, as long as you're happy.

[Rider Strong]

Which is a pretty nice little line, but.

[Wilfred L.]

I know. But it's so strange.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, it's all set up like, you know, this grandmother moment is going to be kind of changing or life changing or. And it's.

[Wilfred L.]

Or she's going to learn something.

[Rider Strong]

Or just very generic. It's just sick. Yep.

[Danielle Fishel]

Do you like science? Do you have a boyfriend? You're a witch. I'd like to.

[Wilfred L.]

This is a fun catch up with Jimmy Dean. Not James Dean, but actually the sausage guy. That would have been a great scene.

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[Asma Khalid]

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[Wilfred L.]

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[Rider Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Then we're at Harvey's party. Libby tells the clone to go outside and find a place to strip. The double response? I'd love to. Libby admires this new do what I say attitude, then slams the door on her so she can prepare. Libby announces to the party, midnight is 15 minutes away and I think you should all pay attention to those windows. A partygoer asks, why did the Kinkles put on some cheesy ghost show? Libby grins, no, but watch closely and you might see a full moon. Then we're at the Spelman's party. Sabrina happily rejoins her aunts and reveals she got to see her granny again and tell her everything is okay. She gives each of her aunts a big hug and thanks them for the wonderful gift. Even better news, Hilda tells her it's finally time to leave. Nearby, Marigold is reminding Amanda that when someone gives you a gift, you're supposed to say thank you. You. Amanda says thank you to a couple standing next to her and then throws their gift to the floor, shattering it. Marigold calmly states, now that's verging on rude. Zelda and Hilda bid their cousin farewell, casually dropping they know all about her divorce with Harold. Marigold's at a loss for words, but Zelda insists that she'll love being alone. Marigold starts to tear up. Oh God, I'm going to be just like you. They have no empathy for the woman as they make their way to the elephant elevator. Once they've all entered, it takes them back down to earth. Zelda boasts, I told you family gatherings are fun. Back at the party, Marigold asks Milady, it's still better to be a divorcee than a spinster, right? Milady responds, ugh, stuff it. And then dumps her head back into a glass of catnip. Then Amanda appears at her mom's side. I'm hungry. I want a hamburger. Marigold says, it's not a good time, but Amanda insists, I want it now, now, now, now so Marigold poofs her own daughter into a jar. I think somebody needs a timeout. And now tiny Amanda puts her hands on her hips. You'll be sorry. I'm telling Daddy where you hid the silver. But Marigold doesn't look too worried about it.

[Rider Strong]

Do you guys notice the editing was very weird?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Cutting from scene to scene. Oh, like, they cut from scene to scene. It's so jarring. I was like, oh, there's no transition shots. You know, there's no. Like.

[Danielle Fishel]

I bet they were long.

[Tristan Redman]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And they were long and they cut.

[Rider Strong]

It's really awkward. There's like, a couple times was like, what is h. Oh, we're in a whole new scene. And it just didn't feel. Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I feel like every scene in these back and forth party scenes probably started with what you're saying, like, act transitions and a little bit of setup. And then when they actually got into editing, they were like, we're five minutes long. And so let's just jump to the. Yeah, just jump to the park.

[Wilfred L.]

An establishing shot of the apartment building. The house. I mean, it's like the stuff in every show, you know, they don't do any exteriors. No. Except in front of her house. But it was, you know.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

Establishing exterior exteriors where it's just like, generic apartment building. You know, they didn't do any of that stuff.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Now we're in Sabrina's room. Sabrina's casually lounging in a room. When Salem asks about Harvey's party. Sabrina reveals she decided to stay in and read some of Granny's letters instead. So this whole episode being about, please just let me get to Harvey's party. She gets to go to Harvey's party after being with her grandmother and deciding, decides, never mind. I'm just gonna stay home and read.

[Wilfred L.]

These letters and forget she has a clone running around.

[Danielle Fishel]

Correct.

[Wilfred L.]

Literally forgets there's somebody at the party already. Because when they say that to her.

[Danielle Fishel]

She'S like, oh, that's right.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I mean, I think the point is that, like. Right. She learned the value of family tradition and her family. But that could have been easily made if her grandmother taught her something or said something like, don't try to be what other people want you to be, or some sort of. The moment with Grandma actually changed her. And now she's gonna go back to the party and do something different or get rid of her double because she got something great. But instead it's like, we don't even need the grandma scene. She could have just said, I Met Grandma and it was great. And we would have the same value that we get from this, you know? So if you're talking about time, cut the grandma scene. Leave it a mystery. She could just come back and say, I really had a great time with Grandma and we don't need to see it because nothing was shared.

[Danielle Fishel]

No. But Salem sees a problem with this plan. You can't leave a double running around. Sabrina gasps. Oh, I forgot. She goes to change, but remembers she's a witch. She points to herself and magically changes her clothes. Then we're outside of Harvey's house. Sabrina's double is now stripped and standing behind a bush, handing her last piece of clothing to Libby. Libby says she'll wait for her in the backyard and starts to count down as she walks around the house. 10, 9, 8. Then the real Sabrina approaches the front door, but doesn't notice her naked clone. But she does remember that she's technically already at the party. So she places a black Zorro mask onto her face to conceal her identity. Identity. And as soon as she walks through that front door, Libby's countdown. A whole different costume, but right. I know. And like, why'd she have the mask? She didn't realize that until she walked in there. But then why does she even have the mask?

[Wilfred L.]

I don't know.

[Danielle Fishel]

As soon as Libby's countdown hits one, the double goes sprinting from behind the bush. The real Sabrina walks into the house and asks everyone what they're staring at. Philip Glaser, James Dean number two, tells her Sabrina's gonna streak. And just then, the double runs past them in the backyard. Backyard. The entire room cheers as real Sabrina watches in horror. She makes her way over to Harvey, who is shocked. I can't believe Sabrina did that. The real Sabrina insists I didn't. Then takes off her mask to reveal herself. That wasn't me. Harvey seems relieved. He can't believe she's here. Sabrina wonders, where else would I be? He grins. I knew Libby couldn't make you streak. But now he has to wonder, who was that outside? Sabrina stammers. I don't see Libby anywhere. Must have been her. Harvey gasps. That was Libby. He turns to the entire party. Hey everyone. That was Libby streaking. They all burst into laughter at the news.

[Rider Strong]

And no one saw her face.

[Danielle Fishel]

No. No. Then, on cue, Libby walks in with a huge smile on her face. Wasn't that fun? The whole party shouts in approval.

[Tristan Redman]

Whoa.

[Danielle Fishel]

Libby's glad they all enjoyed it. She turns around to see the now fully clothed Sabrina behind her. How'd you get in here so quick. Sabrina gaslights her. What are you talking about? I've been here the whole time. Time. Libby's rightfully confused. But I. I just gave you your clothes. Outside, Harvey butts in. Give it up, Livy. We all know you're the one who streaked. She's offended. I did not. But another boy argues, yes, you did. We saw your butt. Everyone bursts into laughter. Once again, slut shaming her. And Libby insists, that was not me. You were all so immature. And then she runs out of the house. Sabrina tells Harvey, my aunts were right. Halloween is a magical all night. Harvey asks, I know I blew up on you before, but could you stay late and help me clean up? She grins. I'd love to. I mean, I'd really enjoy that. But first I gotta get some fresh air. As she leaves, Harvey admits, I don't blame you. Those expiration dates are a lot more precise than you think. He's got the toots, got the runs. He backs away from the snack table in horror.

[Rider Strong]

So this is, it's really, really interesting to encounter a show where like, the bad people get punished. Yeah. That's kind of all that happens, right? Like the, the relative woman who is making fun of them just like is her life is ruined and then the daughter's stuck in a jar. And then Libby gets run screaming and shamed out of the party.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And I'm just like, Boy Meets World never did that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

Like if, if, if somebody wanted to get somebody for being a bad person, by the end of the episode, they would usually realize that that was a bad impulse or that the person didn't really deserve that or that if they got it, they would feel bad about it. Like that. That's the nuance, right? Like the satisfaction of story of like, this is a. This person is my. My enemy. And then like Boy Meets World will always complicate that and be like, they're not really your enemy or you think they are, but they're also just sad or, you know, whatever. And that's like the next level that.

[Wilfred L.]

Yeah. There's no revenge fantasy in Boy Meets World.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, that's not a thing.

[Rider Strong]

Purely like, everybody gets what they deserve. Yeah. Sabrina wins again.

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Rider Strong]

That sucks.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

I'm just like, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, yeah. Boy Meets World was always asking the why behind everything. Of course why. But why? But why? Yes.

[Rider Strong]

And I think that's why it lasts.

[Wilfred L.]

Right?

[Rider Strong]

Like, that's why people want to go back to and be like, right. Corey wanted Mr. Feeny to get sick and then he got sick and then he felt really bad. And then you have to, like, watch the show again and think about it and be like, right, so Corey got what he wanted, but it wasn't cool. And like, in this case, it's literally like, these people are bad and they get it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, Exactly. And because. Because Libby has a crush on Harvey and isn't the nicest person, we going to ruin her reputation and shame her.

[Rider Strong]

Out of a party. Yeah. It's just so straightforward, Right? It's just like, okay, okay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Rider Strong]

And it's funny because they were more popular than us, so I feel like there is something more immediately satisfying. It's like. It's a candy, you know, it's like, oh, that's good. But then it doesn't. It's not. There's no protein. Doesn't last. It doesn't actually.

[Wilfred L.]

The last. The thing. What you're saying, though, is I think boy meets world, it's. It lasted in a way that Sabrina the teenage witch.

[Rider Strong]

Exactly, exactly. Because it has more nutrients. Right. It's like there's something there to, like, you satisfy the story, but then you take it to the next level and you. You make. You have to think about it. You got to revisit it. It's going to last.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, we're outside of Harvey's house. The real Sabrina calls out for her double, who pops up out of nowhere. She's still putting on her clothes. With a huge smile, Sabrina points out that the clone's dress is on backwards, but the clone just smiles. Real Sabrina can't take it, so she runs up to the double and merges back into one. She triumphantly smiles. Now everything's back to normal. But immediately after she says this, she answers herself in a real robotic voice. That is so true. Oh, weird. Then she walks back to the party. And then we're in the tag. In the Spelman's living room, Sabrina, or maybe Melissa Joan Hart, is giving a PSA to the viewer.

[Rider Strong]

Did this happen regularly? Like, did. Was the tag always her talking to camera?

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no. Looking right down the lens, explaining the real meaning of Halloween. It's about friends and family urging us to not give into the commercialization of it. It. What?

[Rider Strong]

It's like it's a Christmas.

[Wilfred L.]

I was gonna say. Yeah. Is this supposed to be tongue in cheek, like it's a Christmas psa? Because, like, we would always.

[Rider Strong]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, and I think I also thought, was this, like, an homage to Clarissa explains it all? Because didn't she talk to camera?

[Danielle Fishel]

That would make sense.

[Rider Strong]

Maybe Every tag, they do this where she turns the camera and talks as, like, a little, like, wink to Clarissa. But no.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, no, every tag was not like that. But now that you're talking about a Christmas psa, that's all.

[Rider Strong]

They just thought it was funny. They just were like, hey, if we do a Halloween episode that's kind of like a Christmas. We should do what they do on Christmas episodes. We talk about the spirit of the season. Yeah, but it's a joke because it's Halloween.

[Danielle Fishel]

So she explains the true meaning of Halloween is what's inside you. Then she turns to Salem and asks, right? The cat says, there's a pound of candy corn inside me. She looks back at the camera, says, ignore him. Happy Halloween. So there you go. That was an episode of Television that aired, and.

[Wilfred L.]

I wonder if that would. Everyone's gonna be like, oh, God, you shouldn't have started with that episode. Like, you picked the worst episode. Or you should have started with this. You should start, like, I don't know. And I also don't know how the show progresses. Cause you watch the fourth or fifth episode of Boy. We're also still trying to find our way.

[Danielle Fishel]

The fourth or fifth episode of Boy Voice, the Topanga's debut.

[Wilfred L.]

That's when the show really started to go downhill.

[Rider Strong]

So, yeah, once they introduced that character.

[Danielle Fishel]

It was like, it's just over.

[Wilfred L.]

Was gone.

[Rider Strong]

No, I. Yeah, I mean, look, I. I think that this show was just. It was a completely different vibe. It's like, we can't really compare it, you know, because this was a very successful show. It delivered what people wanted. It.

[Danielle Fishel]

It had very different aims on a already successful ip, like, you know what I mean? Like, it was. It was.

[Wilfred L.]

This is all Archie comic stuff. So this is really important.

[Danielle Fishel]

This was kind of just like, they were barely even filling in the blanks of a TV show. They were just like, the. The hook is this character who's a witch, and let's just do as much of that magic stuff as possible. Exactly. Yeah.

[Wilfred L.]

Well, you'll be happy to hear the next episode's a little more serious that you guys are going to watch for the Halloween specials. Can I read you the synopsis of it? It's an episode of Family Matters, and the synopsis is this. Urkel is spooked when his ventriloquist dummy comes to life and sets out to torment the Winslows. Ooh, now you're talking.

[Rider Strong]

Now we're talking.

[Wilfred L.]

Did I haunt that?

[Rider Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World Show. You can send us your your emails Pod meets world show gmail.com and we've got merch.

[Wilfred L.]

There's so many ways to go with it this week, so I'm going back and forth from Jensen to I don't like it to I can't hear you through the fat. But in fairness to producer Jensen, I'm gonna go with shusha shoesha merch podmeets.

[Danielle Fishel]

World show.com writers send us out.

[Rider Strong]

We love you all. Pod to see dismissed. Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, Wilfred L And Ryder Strong, executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, executive in charge of production Danielle Romo, producer and editor Tara Sugbash, producer Matty Moore, engineer and boy Meets World superman Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram odd meetsworldshow or email us at podbeats world show @.

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