The Red Weather | E3 | Tree Time

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Pod Meets World: The Red Weather | E3 | Tree Time

Podcast: Pod Meets World
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Date: March 14, 2026
Episode Title: The Red Weather | E3 | Tree Time
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Episode Overview

This episode delves deeply into the history and mysteries surrounding Tender Hearts—a controversial commune on the edges of Ryder Strong's childhood and at the center of a possible crime. Ryder investigates the disappearance of Anna Trainor in 1995, unraveling the realities and myths about the commune's founder, Elric Light, the organization's origins, allegations of cult activity, drugs, and what actually happened to Anna. The episode weaves personal memoir, investigative journalism, archival tape, and contemporary commentary to clarify what Tender Hearts was—and what it was not.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Elric Light and the Tender Hearts Commune

• Origins: Tender Hearts wasn't simply a cult or commune, but evolved from a women's shelter (Bevillian House) in San Francisco, where Elric (Eric Litsky) worked ([25:52]).
  • "It grew out of a women’s shelter, really." – Howard Tripp ([25:59])
• Leadership & Reputation:
  • Elric is heard through archive tapes, shifting from philosophical ramblings ("Let it fall. Let it fall. And be free." [05:38]) to self-reflection:
    "I've done bad things. I know I've done bad things. Just like you. Just like all of you." – Elric Light ([06:04])
  • Outsiders in Sonoma County saw Tender Hearts as a cult, especially as rumors of polygamy grew, but "none of that ... was actually true. Those are all lies." – Ryder Strong ([21:08])

2. Investigation into Anna Trainor's Disappearance

• Law Enforcement's Focus: Initially, suspicion centered on Anna's boyfriend, Mick, but shifted to Tender Hearts and Elric Light.
• Elric's Alibi: Despite the commune’s claim that all adults were away at a sunrise séance when Anna vanished, this soon fell apart.
• Transcripts & Police Attitudes:
  • Police transcripts reveal investigative bias, especially a homophobic outburst by Sheriff Maldonado ("What do you know? The swami turns out to be a faggot." – RM [47:17])
  • Tender Hearts’ secrecy and unconventional lifestyle amplified community suspicion.

3. Alternative Lifestyles in Sonoma County

• Local communes and “intentional communities” were not unusual, but Tender Hearts' secrecy, unconventional “skin bombing” protests (naked demonstrations to discourage outsiders [10:58]), and factionalism bred rumors.
  • "If there was a confrontation ... the women of Tender Hearts like to enact what they called a skin bombing. They’d go out naked." – Ryder Strong ([10:58])
• Sociological Context: Howard Tripp, author and historian, provides context into intentional communities and how Tender Hearts didn’t quite fit traditional definitions of communes, cults, or faith-based sects ([13:46-15:19]).

4. Tree Time & Elric's Philosophy

• "Tree Time":
  • Elric's teachings include the concept of "tree time," aligning human life with the scale of redwoods (sequoia sempervirens), stretching a human lifespan across thousands of years ([19:00+]).
    • “In tree time, seasons last three days. All of American history would happen before you were 8 years old.” – Elric Light ([19:43])
  • His philosophy borrows from Krishnamurti, Castaneda, and New Age spirituality, but avoids authoritative cult-leader trappings:
    "So, no, I am not your guru. I am not anyone’s savior." – Elric Light ([16:50])

5. Money, Drugs, and Survival

• Funding the Commune: Tender Hearts, like many northern California communities in the '90s, funded themselves through marijuana cultivation ([31:39-32:18]).
  • "Almost half of the communities are funded by weed, hence the cannabis that was in the barn the night Anna disappeared." – Howard Tripp ([31:39])
  • CAMP (Campaign Against Marijuana Planting) made such operations risky and further complicated the group's legal standing.

6. Gender, Sexuality, and Secrecy

• Elric Light's Sexuality: The investigation unearthed Elric’s closeted sexuality—he maintained a romantic relationship with a man in the East Bay, which became law enforcement’s focus rather than substantive evidence ([42:54]).
  • "A pioneering feminist commune led by a gay man who didn’t come out of the closet. So the Tender Hearts were complicit in letting the world think they were something they weren’t." – Ryder Strong ([43:47])
• Myth vs. Reality: The group let rumors of cultish and sexual activity persist as a deterrent, especially against men and outsiders ([30:02]).

7. Personal Reflections and Larger Themes

• Revisiting Memories: Ryder’s understanding of his childhood neighbors shifts as he learns about the real origins and intentions of Tender Hearts.
  • "This new understanding ... was more radical and ahead of its time than any of Elric’s professed insights." – Ryder Strong ([28:10])
• Community and Utopia: The hosts and contributors consider whether communes or modern co-living arrangements could work now, reflecting on both the allure and challenges of intentional communities ([44:43]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the stigma of communes:
  • "From the outside it looked like your classic guru cult situation." – Ryder Strong ([21:08])
• On community origins:
  • "It was like an outdoor version of a women’s shelter." – Ryder Strong ([27:43])
• On investigative bias:
  • "The swami turns out to be a faggot." – RM/Sheriff Maldonado ([47:17])
• On philosophical rambling:
  • "My ankles burst under the weight of ill consumed mother fucking damn it." – Elric Light ([17:02])
• On time and age:
  • "A child would be born, grow to be 12 in the span of a summer vacation." – Elric Light ([19:43])
• Reflections on secrets:
  • "The Tender Hearts were complicit in letting the world think they were something they weren't ... but they were also deceived from within." – Ryder Strong ([43:47])
• On the modern commune ideal:
  • "Co-working space for parties and whatever else … seems pretty idyllic.” – Orion ([45:35])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:34] – Elric Light’s tapes: opening meditations, philosophy, and confusion.
• [06:04] – Elric’s confessionals and emotional ramblings.
• [13:46] – Ant historian Howard Tripp contextualizes local counterculture.
• [15:31] – Discovery of Elric’s newsletters, tapes, and commune ephemera.
• [19:00] – Introduction and explanation of “tree time.”
• [25:52] – The real origins of Tender Hearts as a women’s shelter.
• [31:39] – Commune funding, marijuana, and run-ins with law enforcement.
• [32:25] – CAMP raids, 1980s-90s drug enforcement in Northern California.
• [38:09] – Sheriff’s transcripts: procedural bias, missing interviews.
• [42:54] – Revelation of Elric’s sexuality and law enforcement focus.
• [47:17] – Maldonado’s prejudice exposed in the transcripts.

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Conclusion

This episode unpacks the tangled realities behind a supposed cult in 1990s Northern California, shedding light on how secrecy, rumor, gender, and survival shaped the fate of Tender Hearts and its community. Ryder Strong's narration and interviews skillfully walk the line between personal reckoning, sociological analysis, and a gripping cold case, offering listeners much more than just true crime—it's a meditation on memory, myth, and the meaning of home.

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For listeners interested in communal living, New Age philosophies, or the complexities underlying true crime cases, this episode is deeply informative and moving, blending archival audio and present-day interviews for a uniquely layered podcast experience.

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[Ryder Strong]

The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather, LLC and does not reflect the views or responsibilities of iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on the Red Weather. In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainor disappeared from a commune. So this guy was called the Father or something creepy like that? Very much polyamory. Kind of like, dude has a bunch of wives kind of thing. I was with Anna's sister Willow that night. If you were on the Tenderhearts property, then none of the adults were there. They were all on the sunrise seance hike. Yeah, it was only a few days before their Tenderheart's alibi fell apart. I don't. What are you saying? That they weren't at the Sounds? Not all of them.

[Elric Light]

Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I have tucked myself into a little space by the woodshed, out of the rain. I think it's a perfect place and a perfect time for a ramble.

[Ryder Strong]

This is Elric Light, AKA Eric Litsky, the man who founded a commune next to me when I was a kid.

[Elric Light]

Anyone here that's living with us on this beautiful homestead here in Sevastopol will tell you I'm very particular about my spots. I am a big believer that there are positive spots and that there are not so positive spots.

[Ryder Strong]

These were recorded sometime between 1988 and 1992, while he walked in the woods or sat in meadows. Places I might have been roaming around in, too. Me and Willow.

[Elric Light]

Take this with you. Pass it along to these people if you can. And many of these people that we're discussing with hardened hearts aren't ready to hear the message. And that's fine. Sometimes it's enough to deliver the message.

[Ryder Strong]

But between the lectures or sermons, there are human moments that are really specific.

[Elric Light]

There's an owl. I've named him Jabberwocky.

[Ryder Strong]

And sometimes bizarre.

[Elric Light]

Why do I rock my sleep? Why do I rock myself to sleep? Do I rock myself to sleep at night? What's the difference?

[Ryder Strong]

I kept listening, waiting for something. I'm not sure what. It's not like he was suddenly gonna start talking about human sacrifice or mention Anna Trainor. In fact, he doesn't mention Any names?

[Elric Light]

Let it fall. Let it fall. Let it fall. Let it fall. Let it fall. And be free. Be free.

[Ryder Strong]

But his commitment is intense. And sometimes the line between a sermon and something more personal gets blurry.

[Elric Light]

I've done bad things. I know I've done bad things. Just like you. Just like all of you. I sit and I pretend because I want to be that vision of what I know I am capable of being. So I pretend. I know I'm gonna do it again. I know I'm gonna do it again. I'm gonna do it again. And I'm gonna do it again. I'm gonna do it again. And I'm gonna do it again.

[Ryder Strong]

When I went home to look into Anna's disappearance, I knew I was gonna have to learn as much as I could about Elric and the. The collective he ran called Tender Hearts. Since Anna lived there before she vanished in 1995, I figured things would get a little New Agey, spiritual, little hippie dippy. But I never expected what I did find. I am actor and filmmaker Rider Strong. This is the red weather,

[Elric Light]

Sam.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, let's try this again. I was a week into going back to my hometown and researching Anna's case. I was still mostly just playing catch up to the investigation. I am calling from my parents landline, so ID doesn't come up. Sheriff Maldonado, who had led that investigation back in 1995, told me that things would make more sense if I got access to the official case file.

[Narrator/Host]

Hello?

[Ryder Strong]

Hi, this is Rider Strong. I'm calling again for Grace Laughlin and the current sheriff. Grace Loughlin had promised to share transcripts of some witness interviews, but I hadn't heard back from her for days, and the people in her office didn't seem to have time for me. Everything's in storage, so it's not easy.

[Elric Light]

We have one building for the whole county.

[Ryder Strong]

You're a Madeleine.

[Howard Tripp]

You're a meddling.

[Ryder Strong]

My buddy Chris was helping me. You're like every housewife with a Facebook page who's playing Internet sleuth. She's got a theory, so why don't I. You know, even if it's a complete nothing burger, why don't I bring the pager?

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[Ryder Strong]

So you're gonna go to the sheriff with a busted pager that your dad dog buried? I knew Chris was right. I had already admitted to the cops that I had lied to them when I was 15. And so if I was ever gonna get their help in learning about the case, I had to play it cool. Going back over the details about that night. I really begun to think that Anna's boyfriend Mick had something to do with her disappearance. But then, after talking to Maldonado, it was becoming clear that the sheriff's department was way more interested in Tender Hearts and its leader, Elric Light. But as far as I knew, the night Anna disappeared, all the adults of Tenderhearts had hiked up to Mount St. Helena for a sunrise seance.

[Narrator/Host]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Except for Elric. Oh, so you knew this too? Yeah, almost immediately. Monica Tremblain was reporting for the press Democrat in 1995. It was only a few days after Anna was missing that the seance story, it fell apart. A few of the women came forward. So where was he? And what did that mean for the investigation? And who were Tender Hearts in the first place? When I started interviewing friends, I quickly realized I knew very little about their alternative living situations. Orion's commune had failed almost immediately. The community kind of got a little more contentious and a little more distance and kind of factioned off. You know, my mom describes it kind of just like, you know, not really lasting. There are a lot of strong personalities out there, you know, people who want to get away from it all, I think, have some strong reasons sometimes. And I didn't realize that my friend Cole's parents actually met when his dad was handing out pamphlets for a cult in San Francisco. I don't think it lasted. It didn't last in its like, hey, let's build a spaceship form much into the 80s. It was called Stell, and they had a charismatic leader that was quite questionable, but the plan was to build a spaceship to. To escape the end of the world in 2004. Obviously it came and gone, but I'm pretty sure it kind of folded up when it realized that rocket building was hard. I'm just assuming. I'm just assuming that, like, a bunch of people out in Kornfields. Just real limitation about building a rocket. The Tenderhearts weren't that unusual for the area, but of course, once Anna disappeared, there were a lot of questions about them. A big part of the problem was they were just secretive. They didn't want to talk to the cops. I mean, they didn't trust anybody, but they really didn't trust authority figures. They had been targeted before by Maldonado, specifically. Yeah, yeah, we had them up on a few violations. They had a problem with one of their neighbors. Had to do with a truck or something. There was some argument over noise, and they took the tires off a neighbor's tractor. That escalated to some incidents. With animals. Dead llamas. Oh, that's right. I remember them. Yeah. Well, some of those llamas would get out and then they'd get sick at some point. There were accusations about poisoning. Well, I just remember, look, you got to understand, I. I get out there and I'm just, I'm there to calm the situation, you know, cool it down a little bit. But you got a group of women, very, very angry women, and they're, they're topless. Some of them were even butt naked. If there was a confrontation or if someone walked onto the property, the women of tender hearts like to enact what they called a skin bombing. They'd go out naked. I kind of love that. It was a very specific non violent tactic. It throws you off, you know, put you on guard. I'm not talking about it in a good way. One thing about growing up in west county, if there was ever a gathering of some sort, there was always at least one person naked. A lot of confusing messages. A lot of it was like, you know, people are swimming or, you know, like you had a pool and people, you know, we were in the hot tub or the pool or whatever. My parents, friends were definitely hippies and of the casually nude variety when there was, was any call for it. It was part of the culture, a general belief in who needs clothes, be natural. It wasn't threatening or anything, but still as casual as I think the adults wanted it to be. When you're a kid, you could never not notice it. If Willow and I went to that, like, main area, the kind of deck that wasn't finished with the boards laid out on the ground, there might be someone naked because they had an outdoor shed that was right there. That's why I always felt like it was a little weird. But I didn't feel like I could say it was weird, you know, because if you did, you would be lame. But beyond the skin bombing and fights with neighbors, I wanted to know what they were all about. I found a historian who specializes in intentional communities, which I learned is the newer, preferred term for a commune.

[Howard Tripp]

Hello.

[Ryder Strong]

Hi. Oh, great, thanks. Howard Tripp is the author of two books. Countertopia, which covers the communities of the 1960s and 70s and west of Eden, which chronicles the rise and fall of small religious sects in the area.

[Howard Tripp]

I hope you don't mind my little friends.

[Ryder Strong]

You're all right with that? Oh, yeah, look at that. Howard's other hobby is ants. Yeah. So how long have you been farming them? It's been.

[Howard Tripp]

I mean, it's been Over a decade.

[Ryder Strong]

He has an entire wall of his house that is a series of ant farms. Or as I learned, they're called Formicaria.

[Howard Tripp]

One of the things I've always been fascinated by.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, like, that's like pheromones, right? Right, Exactly.

[Howard Tripp]

But you're talking about how an individual ant senses the world around them. The perception of what's real, what's happening. It can be altered completely.

[Ryder Strong]

Like a drug.

[Howard Tripp]

Even more than that, it's their. Their actual sense of reality. It's not. You'll have, like, a colony, right? They get invaded and they start working for another species. They don't even know why. And they're just as happy.

[Ryder Strong]

They just want to do it.

[Howard Tripp]

It's wild.

[Ryder Strong]

Tripp had researched Tender Hearts for his books, but they ultimately didn't make the cut.

[Howard Tripp]

Well, if we're talking about the major communities from Sonoma County, Headwinds, Morningstar, the farm before they went to Tennessee you're talking about, these are much bigger operations, groups that were formalized in ways that Tender Hearts, they could never really get it together.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, how many people were in it? Oh, wow.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah. Very small.

[Ryder Strong]

But then for your second book, wouldn't they have counted as a spiritual group?

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, you would think. That's the $64,000 question, isn't it?

[Ryder Strong]

Meaning, were they even technically a religion? Did they have a belief system?

[Howard Tripp]

I know. I know what this looks like. Please don't judge.

[Ryder Strong]

Trip has an entire guest house behind his main house. It's full of books and papers.

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[Howard Tripp]

Here are some of Elric's newsletters.

[Ryder Strong]

Cool.

[Howard Tripp]

You have these signs they put up.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Elric Light]

And.

[Howard Tripp]

And there are tapes of this lecture series.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, wait. What? Really? Recordings? Yeah.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, they're. That's out somewhere.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God, I would love to hear those. Which is how I got 10 hours of Elric Light talking.

[Elric Light]

Well, let's just jump into it. We'll start with our invocation, as we always do. I am of the Earth. From the Earth I burn with a fire inside that I promise to maintain with the thick skin and the tender heart.

[Ryder Strong]

I actually found the tapes kind of soothing. There's definitely a lot of jargon. Elric liked to make up his own terms.

[Elric Light]

This is what we might call sky. Mine is not the only direct O locus and arrive at the choiceless awareness.

[Ryder Strong]

Elric is earnest, thoughtful.

[Elric Light]

We can absorb energetic facts by existing in what Castaneda would call the kernel of non ordinary reality.

[Ryder Strong]

And he goes out of his way to reject his own authority.

[Elric Light]

So, no, I am not your guru. I am not anyone's savior.

[Ryder Strong]

One of the most exciting moments is when he gets frustrated with his recording equipment.

[Elric Light]

My ankles burst under the weight of ill consumed mother fucking damn it.

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Really?

[Elric Light]

My mic was off the whole time. My ankles burst under the weight of ill conceived compulsions and I limped my way like the hurried hare past Alice into Wonderland, where only those with thrones and axes reigned. What are you living for? Where are you going? Late, late, always late. For what? For what? For what? It's not real. None of it is real. You have been tricked. You've been lied to.

[Ryder Strong]

This section, like when he says he's going to do it again, feels raw, emotional and personal. But otherwise, for 10 tapes, Elric is a teacher. He stays abstract and philosophical. A unique worldview does evolve, a metaphysics. He's inspired a little by Krishnamurti and a lot by Carlos Castaneda. There's this belief in the positive power of psychedelic drugs and something he calls tree time, which begins with the story of him being high on mescaline.

[Elric Light]

Minutes can feel like hours, seconds could be a lifetime.

[Ryder Strong]

But it gets somewhere kind of interesting.

[Elric Light]

A baby cries. She cries if she's hungry or stare at. And in that moment she might think this feeling will never end. But as we grow, we grow into a different time consciousness.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh my gosh. So time moves faster as you get older.

[Elric Light]

Listen, if you consider human life and you put it on the scale of

[Ryder Strong]

the Sempervirens, that's what he called redwoods. Of course he did. That's from their scientific name or their Latin, binomial, Sequoia sempervirens.

[Elric Light]

We're talking about 3,000 years. And in that context, what's a day, What's a day, what's a year? In tree time, seasons last three days. All of American history would happen before you were 8 years old. A child would be born, grow to be 12 in the span of a summer vacation.

[Ryder Strong]

What is dude talking about? Time perception. He's scaling a human life up to a redwood tree. And look, I did the math. Of course you can do the math. He's actually right. If you take 100 years average human or the best human lifespan, and you stretch that over 3,000, it's 30 times. So one hour is 30 hours, just over a day, that's 1.25 days. And yes, a month would go by in a day. Winter would last three days. So all of his comparisons are exactly right. You need a break. Probably, yeah.

[Elric Light]

Imagine wisdom, that scale, the insight.

[Ryder Strong]

From the outside it looked like your Classic guru cult situation. Yeah, well, I mean it fits all the tropes, right? Oh yes, absolutely. You got the charismatic leader, he's got a new spiritual take on life and he, he runs off. He has a bunch of wives. Right, right, right, right. Except none of that, none of what you actually just said was actually true. Those are all lies.

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[Ryder Strong]

When I started this podcast, one of my main questions about Tender Hearts, which was kind of naive, was was it a commune or was it a cult? It turns out neither. And those categories are kind of fuzzy to begin with.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, Eric had ideas later on. It's not how it started.

[Ryder Strong]

It turns out Tender Hearts didn't begin as a religion or a political movement or even a philosophy.

[Howard Tripp]

It grew out of a woman's shelter, really.

[Ryder Strong]

Before he founded Tender Hearts, Eric Litsky was an employee of the Bevillian House. Bevillian was at the forefront of a wave of shelters that sprung up in the late 70s with what was then a pretty radical idea that women might need their own place. A designated shelter away from men.

[Howard Tripp]

Elric. He helped run the whole thing until 85, 86.

[Ryder Strong]

They were your classic San Francisco liberals. In your face and aggressive.

[Howard Tripp]

Eller got into trouble with the city officials.

[Elric Light]

Four protesters were arrested today outside City hall amidst ongoing tensions between the city Council and the Pavilion House.

[Ryder Strong]

The distinction between a homeless shelter and a domestic violence center was a blurry line that was still being worked out. And in the early 80s, the owners of the Pavilion wanted to expand the shelter by allowing men to join. But for some of the women and Elric, this was anathema. It was a split in the Pavilion organization. There was Elric on one side and the owners and city officials on the other. Around the same time, Elric came into some money. The assumption is that maybe one of his parents or perhaps grandparents passed away, but nobody knows for sure. So he pulled up stakes, left the city, and bought 50 acres.

[Elric Light]

He.

[Ryder Strong]

In West Sonoma county, the 50 acres right next to my parents. And so the women were.

[Howard Tripp]

He got them off from the shelter. He invited them personally and their kids to come live off the land.

[Ryder Strong]

Besides Anna and Willow, there were only a few other kids. I remember a boy named Josiah and a girl named Frances and maybe one more. We called them grommets. I felt antagonized by them. I felt like they were actively annoying to us.

[Elric Light]

Us.

[Ryder Strong]

I think we might have just been hating on younger kids. They were wild, right? I mean, you know, it was like they were just kind of roaming free. And they were a pack. Like, I definitely remember it being a pack. It was like, just a group of, like, loud, dirty kids. Like, and they had attitude. Like, they were. They were strong, basically. It was like an outdoor version of a women's shelter.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, it was like a camp or a farm for women escaping domestic violence.

[Ryder Strong]

Everything I learned about Tender Hearts, but especially this, made it even more important that I get in touch with Anna and Willow's mom, Lainey. I'd always thought of her as some sort of new age countercultural seeker, but if she came from a women's shelter in San Francisco, if she was escaping an abusive situation and brought her daughters to raise them in the woods, that's a very different person. Lainey, hi, it's Ryder Strong. How are you? I hope you're. You're doing all right. For weeks, I'd left messages. Weirdly, this new understanding of the Tender Hearts was more radical and ahead of its time than any of Elric's professed insights like Tree Time or Directal Locust. He was actually creating what nowadays you would call a safe space for women. But we didn't know any of that. Anybody local just saw a polygamous cult. And interestingly, Elric and the women let that happen.

[Howard Tripp]

So these, if you can see, they would post these all around town.

[Elric Light]

Oh, wow.

[Ryder Strong]

Elric started spreading his teachings. So I'm looking at. There's a drawing of a kind of elephant plant person.

[Howard Tripp]

What else? What do you see?

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, well, there's text.

[Howard Tripp]

No, look closer. What are you missing?

[Ryder Strong]

I don't know. What is it?

[Howard Tripp]

It's a lotus position.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, yeah. All right, so it says you are a goddess. Gaia, Shakti, Terra, Isis. What do you see all around the world? Women of sounder minds and tender hearts. Insight isn't oriental, nor is it western. And Elric light offers only the sacred and the universal, the divine feminine. Oh, wow. And then there's. There's an address and a telephone number.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, he had people.

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[Ryder Strong]

Like how many? Like hundreds, maybe thousands. But locally, the postings made them notorious. And there were times when they could have easily spoken out. But they let the rumors spread, which is actually a brilliant way to keep people out of your business. Like skin bombing. Allowing people to think they were a cult ensured that outsiders, men in particular, stayed away. So the question is, did Elric believe this stuff?

[Elric Light]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

No, really. For his part, Maldonado is adamant. No. No. A con is a con is a con. You lie to make your money, you lie to cover your tracks, and you just keep on lying. But when I listen to the tapes, Elric seems earnest to me.

[Howard Tripp]

He was definitely having some kind of experience out there in the woods, right? Probably started with secular intentions to live together on a farm. And then Elric started reflecting on things. He starts thinking, rearranging places in his mind and having new ideas that he has to share.

[Ryder Strong]

But there was a pressing issue.

[Howard Tripp]

It's really common among these intentional communities. Unless you have a donation or, best case, a tithing system that everyone agrees on, Right?

[Ryder Strong]

Someone has to pay the bills for the tender hearts. At first, that meant getting jobs.

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[Ryder Strong]

What? I can't. No. Our friend Connor, who lives in England, remembered this. I can't even imagine her. Yeah, I know. I know.

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But I swear I remember seeing her in a reflective vest in the parking

[Ryder Strong]

lot, like collecting carts. But the jobs weren't enough. And so Tender Hearts did what most everyone in Sonoma county did in the 90s.

[Howard Tripp]

I mean, I would say in Sonoma, Mendocino, Humboldt, maybe 30, 40, 40%. Almost half of the communities are funded

[Ryder Strong]

by weed, hence the cannabis that was in the barn the night that Anna disappeared. And it was all just sitting in that barn. This opened up a whole new avenue. Because if Elric was lying to the cops about where he was that night, was he trying to protect the fact that he was growing marijuana? When do you guys want dinner? 30, 45 minutes?

[Howard Tripp]

Thank you.

[Ryder Strong]

Lane, Could Anna have been killed because of, like a drug thing? I mean, it's just weed. That was a huge deal back then. He's right. This was the era of camp.

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It's a scene that is reminiscent of

[Ryder Strong]

those you see in war zones.

[Bethenny Frankel]

But this is California, and the enemies are marijuana growers.

[Ryder Strong]

Camp was the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting, a multi agency task force that launched in 1983. They were a paramilitary organization with helicopters and machine guns. They were hardcore. So does that mean that people were smoking pot around us? Does that mean that they would have been smoking pot from tender hearts? Undoubtedly.

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[Ryder Strong]

All right, so then who were. I mean, some. We know somebody who bought weed from them or sold for them. Right? Like, do we know any drug dealers? I mean, do you remember anybody?

[Howard Tripp]

Shilo does.

[Ryder Strong]

Shiloh. Shiloh. We're trying to remember who sold weed back in the day. I feel like there was an older guy. God, it was like. It was like. There was Jim. I don't think so.

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[Ryder Strong]

But there was a guy who was always hanging out at the Hess Building. He had like a battery nickname, like the Energizer Bunny or something. That's copper talk. He is not a drug dealer. It was like that motorcycle. No, no, that guy was totally just. Who was the guy? No, there was a guy. He had like. Dennis. No, no, not a name like that.

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[Ryder Strong]

And he used to sell to. To all the skater kids. Remember? Rip Hits was a thing? Yes, Sparks. Yes, Sparks. There's no way that was his name. That was not his name. But that's what. That's what they called him. That's what we called him. Do you think we could find him? I mean, how do could we find him? I could find him. I think I could find him. So the other day when I told you about Willow burning the weed, is this what you meant when you said that the tender hearts weren't all kumbaya and butterflies?

[Howard Tripp]

They were always alive.

[Ryder Strong]

Just a front. This was a criminal drug dealing operation. That's true, but a little reductive because when I finally got the transcripts of Elric's interrogations, I realized Maldonado wasn't giving me the whole story.

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Chris. Yeah? They're here. I got an email from Sheriff Lachlan with a PDF attachment. They had a watermark across every page. R. Strong. And they were a total mess. The names were hard to figure out because everyone was designated by their initials. Oh, okay, so RM Seems like he's the one in charge. That's. That's Maldonado. I had two main guys working with me. It would have been Carrillo. He headed up anything with grow operations or substances. He was kind of like our vice squad. And then I think I put Orin. Yeah, I put Bob Orin as my other lead. She sent me like, there's a couple interviews with a few different people. Look, this one is actually your neighbors. Then. Dude, this is me. This is a transcript of me getting interviewed. No. Yes. Look, it's quote. No. We were at Connor's house. And Willow was with you? Yes. And you didn't hear anything? Not until the news. Connor's mom made us pancakes. And she told you about the fire? Yeah. Oh, my God. She put my interviews in here. Who did? Lachlan, the sheriff. She sent me my own transcripts. But why? I don't know just what to say. You lied. We have a record of you lying. Oh, this chick has it out for you. She also didn't include any of the interviews with Mick Bowden. It was only me and Elric. Oh, it looks like there's four different ones here. Oh, here. The ceremony. Does that involve the kids? And he goes, no, they press him. Why not? Something you don't want them to see? And Elric says, absolutely not. Okay, now we got. We got three women, three of your women, Your women, by the way, on the record, and they say you weren't there at all. You let off the Blessing the Wind song or whatever it's called, and they didn't see you until Wednesday. At some points, Elric got defensive. There is nothing wrong with taking a hike to see a sunrise, is there? And Maldonado says, that depends. And Elric goes, how? There is nothing. Do you go to church? The other cop is like, I have no problem with the hike. And Elric, he's not letting it go. You go to a church and pray. You go into a building, we go outside. That's the difference. That's the only difference. I mean, it's a good point. It's a great point. This dialogue definitely could use a punch up, though. It's not dialogue. Wait, we should do this as a reading. Yes. We printed out two copies. Yes. All right. I'm the cops. Both of them, of course. You don't have to anymore. I'm gonna pick up the slack. Brainwashing ladies is one thing. Why are you doing a New York action? Brainwashing the ladies is one thing, but the kids, you get their checks, food stamps. Elric says I don't steal from kids. We had a ranch, Bob. When was that? A few years. 11 kids. 11 kids, and none of them was in school. All of the Tender Hearts kids go to school. No electricity checks come in every month. And these kids are put out to the field. It was. It was their balls come to life. These poor bastards coming in from the fields. What are they talking about? I have no idea. Okay, they're talking about this, like, some situation where they arrested other people with a bunch of kids. It seems like they were trying to catch Elric admitting that Tender Hearts was making money off welfare. Then they start fishing about drugs.

[Advertiser]

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[Ryder Strong]

Okay, this is. This is classic.

[Howard Tripp]

Good cut, bad cut.

[Ryder Strong]

Moving into the kill. Tell us about the guy. Yeah, tell us about the Guys in general that the Jenner is definitely drug stuff.

[Elric Light]

All right?

[Ryder Strong]

Elric says I don't know who you're talking about. Bam. This is definitely where they would slap the table. Just read it. I mean, please, if you went up the hill. I'm not saying I wasn't. We know you weren't. Why don't you tell us about tubas?

[Howard Tripp]

What?

[Ryder Strong]

Down at Tubers, there's a guy named Delio. You know who I'm talking about? The Lila. Sometimes if I talk to him, what's he gonna tell me? You don't know about Thursdays at tubas? The garden parties. Did you elder the code red? All right, calm down. Do you want answers? I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. Stop it, man. Elric isn't even talking anymore. This is. I don't know what all this garden party. Oh, dude. Oh, this is. That's sad. Damn it. Took some rereading and a bit of research, but Chris and I finally figured out what was going on. Tubers and garden parties were about bars and hookup spots in the area. The cops were fishing for Elric to admit something they had suspicions about. Not the weed dealing, not the fact that maybe he was lying about this whole cult, that he was gay. Elric. So he did leave a seance and he went down to the East Bay

[Bethenny Frankel]

where he met up with this man

[Ryder Strong]

named Lucas park, who was, it turns out, an ex boyfriend. In reality, this shouldn't be shocking. We're talking about an outspoken feminist political activist in the heart of a very liberal, very gay friendly city. Which is, I guess, exactly why there's something heart wrenching here. Elric could stand up for women, for counterculture, could be brave and outspoken about so many much, but he was still crippled by shame and fear regarding his sexuality. How many of the women knew? None of them.

[Howard Tripp]

They knew he wasn't interested in them,

[Ryder Strong]

but they figured it was all part

[Howard Tripp]

of his vow of celibacy.

[Ryder Strong]

I actually heard this on the recordings. He talks about the power of intracourse.

[Elric Light]

Inter is between or among. Intra is within a contained polyamorous cult

[Ryder Strong]

that wasn't poly or a cult. A pioneering feminist commune led by a gay man who didn't come out of the closet. So the tender hearts were complicit in letting the world think they were something they weren't. This multi wife sex cult. They let that deception stand, but they were also deceived from within. And perhaps the most salient point for Maldonado in 1990, 1995 and for us now, Elric couldn't have killed Anna. Well, I mean, to confirm that Elric was with park all night and into the next morning. So first story was a lie. New alibi. It was solid. And as for the tender hearts, that's.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, that's pretty much all she wrote. The women dwindled over the next year or so.

[Ryder Strong]

Elric left for months at a time, and then there was nobody there anymore. The land itself eventually sold to one of our neighbors who has since passed away. So as far as I know, it's in some kind of probate limbo. All right, here's a thought experiment. Okay? Tender hearts exist today, right? Are you in? Hell yeah, dude. Me and like, 50 naked chicks running around the woods getting to know each other physically. Okay, not okay, Do I get to have sex with Elric? Not Tender Hearts specifically, but just a communal situation where you're sharing resources and living off the land, raising your kids together. Sounds like a nightmare. Sounds pretty great to me. And I don't think I'm alone. Even with his own experience growing up on a failed one, Orion is optimistic. I mean, I feel like it's a little bit of coming full circle in a way. You know, I got very, very interested in some modern form of co living, and you share resources. You have a shared garden, and you have a shared kitchen, co working space for parties and whatever else. And it's like, seems pretty idyllic. So it feels like I'm kind of like trying to do what my parents sort of did, but better. Right? Like, it's probably a classic, you know, thing that we all try to do to some degree at times. Fix the mistakes that our parents made.

[Advertiser]

Oh, stop.

[Ryder Strong]

Think about the type of people who want in on this thing. They're not easygoing people.

[Advertiser]

They're not cool people.

[Ryder Strong]

No, they're vegans. They're social justice warriors. But you also got independent critical thinkers, artists, pretentious, dirty drug addicts. Look at your boy Howard. Look at your boy Howard. You want to move in with him and his aunts? Yeah, you got to live communally with him and his insects as well. No, no, no. Communism failed, but, like, socialism failed, Ryder, okay? There's a reason, dude. I mean, you ended up going to boarding school. What does that have to do with anything? Chris spent the second half of high school starting our junior year in New Jersey at a boarding school. So didn't your mom send you there because, you know, you needed a different situation because you were being bullied? Oh, I would. No, the bullied. Stop. That's not why I went there. Okay. I'm just saying that the normal, all American public school childhood didn't work out for you, so, you know, you needed something. You needed an alternative. And I think a lot of us do, most of us want something different. You're drinking the Kool Aid, man.

[Advertiser]

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[Ryder Strong]

Live in tree time. In 1996, Elric left Sebastopol, went back to San Francisco.

[Howard Tripp]

There were signs of some political involvement, some classes taught at some wellness centers and retreats.

[Ryder Strong]

But after Anna, he mostly vanished from the public.

[Elric Light]

I like these moments when it's just you and I. Strange, stupid little medium of tape recorded.

[Ryder Strong]

He died in 2001. Cancer. Hold on. What is this? After our dramatic reading, I was looking back over the transcripts. Look at that. Ooh. Who said that? It was a single line quote. Rm what do you know? The swami turns out to be a faggot. That's Maldonado, man. Oh, that's gross. Was that after he left the room, or is that when he was still in the room? I think it's after. I don't know what's worse. Seeing that sentence, it suddenly brought into focus where the investigators were coming from. These are the people whose official job it was to find out what happened to Anna. They didn't like the tender hearts. They didn't like that they did drugs. They didn't like that Elric was gay. But none of those things on their own are any real justification for suspicion. That sucks, man. That really sucks. And you're gonna go meet this guy? I was. My last conversation with Maldonado before I got the transcript. He agreed to meet me and walk me through the crime scene. Why don't we meet out there at the property? We can have some strawberries from Andre's stand out there by Wagner. I'll show you what we found. I didn't know what to think. Maldonado was being helpful. He was one of the few people who seemed like he actually cared that I was looking back at this case. And then, to make things worse, Chris got a voicemail. It was from Sparks. Chris, what up, man?

[Howard Tripp]

It's Davey H. Sparks McKnight back in the day.

[Ryder Strong]

What time?

[Howard Tripp]

What a time, brother.

[Ryder Strong]

Anyway, yeah, I'll talk to Ryder.

[Howard Tripp]

You know, I got stories. I got inside information.

[Ryder Strong]

For real, though, you want to talk Anna Trainer, you got to talk about those.

[Howard Tripp]

Detecting that Maldonado.

[Elric Light]

Come on, man.

[Ryder Strong]

Dude was a fool.

[Howard Tripp]

But I got.

[Ryder Strong]

I got some stuff for you. My boy. Oh, man, my boy Mick.

[Howard Tripp]

You know, he was my boy.

[Ryder Strong]

But Damn kid got a pass. He got a pass anyway.

[Howard Tripp]

Yeah, man, hit me up. Let's get a drink.

[Ryder Strong]

I'll lay it all on you. Peace. The Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by Ryder Strong Sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bo Milkus Produced by Tess Bartholomew executive producers at iHeartRadio Trevor Young and Matt Frederick Associate Producer Bo Milkus Original score by Kyle Morton

[Elric Light]

if

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you're enjoying the show, please remember to leave a review and rating. Thanks for listening.

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