The Red Weather | E6 | To Live and Park in LA

Summary

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Pod Meets World: The Red Weather | E6 | To Live and Park in LA

Date: March 15, 2026
Host: Ryder Strong (with recurring guests Indy Strong, Monica Tremblain, Mick Bowden)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this sixth episode of "The Red Weather," Ryder Strong delves deeper into the unsolved disappearance of Anna Trainor, wrestling with whether Anna was murdered, ran away, or orchestrated her own disappearance. As Ryder faces mounting pressure—legal, personal, and professional—he investigates the timeline around Anna’s abandoned car and confronts a key person of interest, Mick Bowden, with explosive results. The theme orbits around truth-seeking, the ethical perils of true crime, and the toll investigations take on families and searchers alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Father-Son Tension & Ethics of True Crime

• Indy Strong (Ryder's son) questions his father’s involvement and the personal risks of digging into the past (06:11).
  • Quote: "Dad, you should help. You have to help. That's the right thing." — Indy Strong, (06:11)
• Ryder reflects on the innocence and moral urgency in Indy's comments, highlighting generational differences in cynicism and idealism.

2. Public Response & Legal Threats

• Ryder faces backlash on social media, accused of exploiting tragedy for personal gain (08:05).
• He receives a cease-and-desist letter from Mick Bowden’s lawyer, signaling the risks of pursuing the story against powerful interests (08:43).
  • Quote: "Basically a cease and desist. All in all, it felt like the universe was telling me to sit down and shut up." — Ryder Strong, (08:50)
• Former allies in law enforcement and journalism begin avoiding or distancing themselves, raising questions about institutional transparency and cover-ups.

3. The Power of Anna's Mixtape (Operation Van Gogh)

• Anna’s "infamous haunted tape" is examined as a crucial, confusing piece of evidence—a mixtape with movie quotes and coded language (11:07, 16:51).
• Through transcription and obsessive analysis, Ryder deciphers that “Van Gogh” isn’t about the painter but may be a code for “Operation Van Go”—a plan to run away (16:51).
  • Quote: "It’s literally the words themselves. It's a code operation—to go, maybe even get in a van and go." — Ryder Strong, (16:51)

4. The Puzzle of the Kelty Parking Lot

• Detailed breakdown of the logistics surrounding Anna’s car, “Tony,” found parked near SFO.
• Discrepancies in parking lot records create uncertainty about the timeline. Was the car parked on Nov 1 or Nov 4? Did Anna, Mick, or someone else park it? (24:51–27:50)
  • Quote: "Which narrows the likely window of Tony pulling into the lot to November 1, before 6am, within eight hours of Anna last being seen, or sometime during the after hours of November 4th." — Ryder Strong, (27:05)
• The discussion explores the plausibility of Mick’s involvement and the lack of compelling evidence tying him directly to the disappearance.

5. Confrontation at the LA Convention Center

• Ryder finds out Mick Bowden will be speaking publicly (28:31). Tension rises over whether to confront him directly.
• This culminates in an awkward, fraught in-person exchange:
  • Ryder tries to push past security and PR reps to demand answers about the mixtape and Anna’s last night (36:40, 37:08).
  • Mick deflects and rejects the notion the tape was intended for him, suggesting Anna was seeing an older man (44:10).
    • Quote: "I found that tape in my car when Anna left it with a bunch of her books and crap. And when I heard it, that's when I knew she was banging some older guy. That tape's not to me." — Mick Bowden, (43:42)
    • The discussion pivots to the pop-culture references in Anna's mixtape, positing it as constructed from movie quotes and not literal declarations.

6. Unraveling of the Investigation

• Ryder recognizes that confronting Mick was not a breakthrough and experiences self-doubt.
  • Quote: "My big move, Finding Mick, confronting him. It was a complete waste. I did finally feel like a journalist. And I guess that means feeling alone, inconvenient, and feeling like everyone... are against you." — Ryder Strong, (46:01)
• A silver lining emerges: Anna’s mother, Lainey, finally calls Ryder, offering to share crucial materials she’s never mailed and agreeing to meet in Colorado (46:37).
  • Quote: "I have things. I have lots to show you. Things. Things you need to see." — Lainey Trainor, (47:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Indy’s childlike clarity on doing the right thing:
  • "Dad, you should help. You have to help. That's the right thing." (06:11)
• Legal intimidation:
  • "From the letter, your podcast appears poised to make unfounded and damaging claims about our client. ... Basically a cease and desist." (08:43)
• Mixtape revelation:
  • "It's literally the words themselves. It's a code operation—to go, maybe even get in a van and go." (16:51)
• Mick challenges Ryder’s basic theory:
  • "That tape's not to me. [...] I always said that she made that tape for somebody else. An older guy." (43:42, 45:09)
• Ryder’s growing frustration with dead ends:
  • "Everything seemed like a dead end. And then I saw that Mick posted something on X. It was an announcement for an event..." (28:31)
• Lainey's emotional call:
  • "You know that? They called me hysterical. Did you know that?...I have things. I have lots to show you. Things you need to see." (46:37, 47:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:44–05:41: Recap of the case and how it’s impacting Ryder’s relationship with his son, Indy.
• 08:34–09:53: Ryder recounts receiving legal warnings to drop the podcast.
• 11:07–16:51: Deep dive into Anna’s mixtape, coded messages, and Ryder’s transcription breakthrough (Operation Van Gogh).
• 24:51–27:46: Analysis of the Kelty parking lot timeline—crucial for establishing the car’s arrival and Mick's possible involvement.
• 28:31–32:39: Ryder resolves to confront Mick Bowden at a public tech panel in LA.
• 36:40–45:09: The confrontation with Mick, breaking down the mixtape, questioning Anna's relationships, and reevaluating the story’s foundation.
• 46:37–47:58: Lainey Trainor’s vulnerable voicemail opens a new lead and closes the episode on a note of hope and anticipation.

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Tone & Style

The episode blends investigative tenacity with emotional vulnerability, shifting from tense, almost noir-like interrogation to intimate moments between father and son. Ryder’s tone alternates between self-doubt, determination, frustration, and renewed hope when Lainey reaches out.

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Summary Flow & Takeaways

• Ryder chips away at both evidence and the stonewalling he encounters, revealing how true crime affects everyone involved—from families to investigators to those accused.
• Anna’s mixtape emerges as a metaphor for memory and secrecy, laden with artifice and pop-culture references, ultimately deepening the mystery rather than solving it.
• Confronting the key suspect, Mick Bowden, leads not to clarity but deeper ambiguity; even direct answers dissolve under scrutiny.
• The narrative ends with a new hope: Anna’s mother offers physical evidence and a willingness to talk—propelling Ryder (and listeners) toward a new chapter of the investigation.

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This episode stands as an intricate weaving of personal struggle and true crime intrigue, illustrating both the cost and importance of seeking uncomfortable truths. Listeners are left on a cliff’s edge, eager to see what Lainey’s evidence in Colorado might reveal about Anna’s disappearance.

Transcript

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[Indy Strong]

Everyone thinks you're the man, but I make you weak.

[Ryder Strong]

This is Anna Trainor's voice. It's the infamous haunted tape. I do remember.

[Mick Bowden]

We found her car down south of here.

[Ryder Strong]

That pushed us in the in the runaway direction.

[Monica Tremblain]

Even if Mick managed to meet up with Anna, then murder her, could he have gotten rid of the body and driven her car all the way to sfo?

[Mick Bowden]

Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend who's all pissed because her grandma girls sleeping around?

[Ryder Strong]

Daddy promises a moolah.

[Mick Bowden]

They half ass their investigation, it goes away.

[Indy Strong]

You're supposed to be writing.

[Ryder Strong]

It's fine. I'll come home.

[Monica Tremblain]

Writer. There are two contributions to the 1996 Maldonado campaign. He's two companies. Thomas Bolden was on the board for both.

[Indy Strong]

Okay, look, I don't need the state

[Monica Tremblain]

and the district attorney suddenly banging on my door. We were trying to help you. I advise Robert Maldonado to no longer speak with you. And Officer Greer is under orders to keep this work internal.

[Indy Strong]

I. Indie strong. Oh, they don't eat fish food.

[Ryder Strong]

Actually, maybe it's not surprising that my son Indy loves to act and sing. He is, after all, the child of two performers.

[Indy Strong]

Oh, they don't eat fish food. Actually, what is this next line?

[Ryder Strong]

Just say it, dude. Based on my experience, the kids that really thrive as actors are the ones who do it for its own sake, not because they want to be famous. So we've limited Indy's acting to classes and plays, but then after he appeared on a few episodes of my podcast, we were approached by a voiceover agent.

[Indy Strong]

It changed. Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually. Nope. They eat elephant shit.

[Ryder Strong]

Get out of the way here. So now he's a working voiceover actor, and we get auditions about once a week. Indy loves it for the most part, but he's still a kid, and sometimes he just doesn't want to audition. Just stand up, please, Indy, come on, please. Okay, hold on, hold on. If we just focus.

[Indy Strong]

I want to play my idea.

[Ryder Strong]

I know, but do you. Hold on, hold on. Do you want me to read the other lines? Is that gonna help you? What do you want me to Read the other lines.

[Indy Strong]

No.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, well, how did mom do the auditions while I. While I was gone? Cause you had like three.

[Indy Strong]

Excuse, the iPhone.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm not doing that.

[Indy Strong]

You were gone for so long.

[Ryder Strong]

I know.

[Indy Strong]

Why couldn't I go?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, I was. I was working. We wouldn't have been able to hang out.

[Indy Strong]

Doing the podcast about the girl?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Indy Strong]

She was your friend.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Well, her sister wasn't.

[Indy Strong]

What happened?

[Mick Bowden]

Well, that's.

[Ryder Strong]

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[Indy Strong]

No, your friend, the sister. What's her name?

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, Willow.

[Indy Strong]

Did I meet her?

[Ryder Strong]

No. I mean, I think there was one Fourth of July that she might have been there. I don't remember. Remember?

[Indy Strong]

She died?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Indy Strong]

How?

[Ryder Strong]

She was, you know, she was a very unhappy person. Can we get back to this? She was just a very unhappy person.

[Indy Strong]

She killed herself.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Indy Strong]

That's sad.

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Yeah.

[Indy Strong]

And you never knew what happened to her sister?

[Ryder Strong]

No, that's. That's while I was gone for those two weeks. I'm trying to look into this, but come on, can we just focus on this and do this?

[Indy Strong]

Why did you stop?

[Ryder Strong]

It's complicated, buddy. There are lots of people who don't want me doing this.

[Indy Strong]

Are they bad people?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, I don't think so. You know, there's just. I don't know. There's so many reasons.

[Indy Strong]

Dad, you should help. You have to help. That's the right thing.

[Ryder Strong]

After this conversation, I couldn't decide if Indy was being naive or brave. I mean, he was definitely coming from a place of innocence, but there's different meanings there, right? You can be innocent as in foolish, immature, or you can be innocent as in pure and honest, not corrupted by cynicism, by a world where powerful people get to do what they want and ignore questions. He was right. I should help. But I didn't know what that meant anymore. I am actor and filmmaker. Writer, strong. This is the red weather,

[Indy Strong]

Sam.

[Ryder Strong]

Way to take someone's tragedy and make it all about you, Ryder. Now that it was public that this podcast was happening, social media posts and comments weighed in. Oh, this is my favorite. This is a vanity project of a washed up child actor.

[Indy Strong]

Okay, you gotta stop. There's no point in reading.

[Ryder Strong]

I knew my wife was right, but I couldn't help but think there might be something useful in here. Since none of the podcast was released, though, most of the comments were just about the irresponsibility of true crime and personal attacks on me. Which hurt, of course. But I tried to put my own feelings aside and be optimistic. Maybe, just maybe, the Attention might help. Now that it was public. Someone might come forward with information or want to get involved. But no, it had the opposite effect.

[Mick Bowden]

Mr. Strong, my name is Yuri Donenfeld. I am an attorney with Warren, Tolan and Shapiro. You should have received a letter from my office via certified mail.

[Ryder Strong]

I had. From the letter, your podcast appears poised to make unfounded and damaging claims about our client. That would be Mick. Such claims, if broadcast, may constitute defamation under current statute. Basically a cease and desist. All in all, it felt like the universe was telling me to sit down and shut up. I had been shut out of any official reopening of the case, assuming there was one, by Grace Loughlin, the current Sonoma County Sheriff.

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[Indy Strong]

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[Ryder Strong]

Hi, Sheriff Maldonado. It's Ryder. And Sheriff Maldonado, who led the case in 1995, also wasn't returning my calls. I am still making the podcast, and I wanted you to know from me, to hear it directly, that I have been in touch with Monica Tremblain a few times. But, you know, I'm working on my own here. I'm making progress. I felt compelled to distance myself for Monica because she had decided to publish information about contributions to Maldonado's 1996 campaign for sheriff. In my opinion, prematurely.

[Monica Tremblain]

It's not like I stopped them or anything. The most that I can do as a citizen is file a damn FOIA report.

[Ryder Strong]

And that's what you did. That's all you. That's. You already did that.

[Monica Tremblain]

Yeah. So we could get the full campaign records.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Monica Tremblain]

Talking about anything legal or an investigation into the sheriff's department. That's. That's up to the Attorney General.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay. Okay. No, it's. I just. I. You know, I started out. I'm trying to make a podcast. I'm trying to solve this thing, and I feel like we were getting somewhere with them. With their help. I writer.

[Monica Tremblain]

If they really cared about Anna and if they wanted to solve this cold case, they would have welcomed the transparency. Wouldn't they want to know where went wrong?

[Ryder Strong]

It was still hard for me to believe that Maldonado, in particular, would go from helping me as much as he did to completely ignoring me.

[Monica Tremblain]

They should be, like, opening up their doors to you, to us. But instead, the minute that you brought up Mick Bowden, multi millionaire son of a multi millionaire, guess what they did. They turned on you.

[Ryder Strong]

That was true. Mick had become the main person of interest in Anna's disappearance because of the mixtape.

[Monica Tremblain]

This whole world's Wild and hard and weird.

[Indy Strong]

Of course, I had to keep all this a secret from my dad. He would have had a fit since Kit was 10 years older than me and came from the wrong side of the track, so called.

[Ryder Strong]

The tape had songs, movie clips from Wild at Heart and Badlands. And then Anna talked directly to Mick.

[Indy Strong]

You can do it. I can do it. You're my sailor. You're my real life Mickey, because you're so cool.

[Ryder Strong]

It was so intimate and implied a connection between the two of them that was powerful, secretive, romantic, which was never how I thought about them. I started this podcast thinking Mick was against Anna, that he had this revenge porn plan that got derailed that night by me and my friend, that he was driven by jealousy and possessiveness. But hearing the tape, I had to consider that he and Anna were actually really in love, and maybe that motivated him. Maybe his parents didn't want him to be with her. Maybe he was dating this new girl but had gotten back together with Anna and didn't know what to do. Was Anna, like, really into art? No, I don't think so. I have no memory of. I checked in with my buddy Chris, who had started this podcast with me. I didn't think so either, but it's really weird because on the tape she keeps talking about Van Gogh. I don't know, dude. Here's the more important question. How's the feature coming? Oh, God, don't ask. I had been hired to write a horror script for a production company out of Austin, and at this point, my draft was weeks behind. Luckily, Chris thought he could help buy me some time. Look, I'mma call David. I'll call David. David was Chris's agent who had actually introduced me to the producers in the first place.

[Mick Bowden]

He reps those guys, at least. Steven from Gear Haze.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, my God, yes. Do you think. Do you think David could hold them off? Yeah, I think you need to get your ass writing. But yes, if David comes at them

[Mick Bowden]

with writers going through it, he's going through trauma.

[Ryder Strong]

His old friend killed herself. Trauma, trauma, trauma.

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[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I'm gonna call him. I'll call him. God, thank you. Thank you so much, man. You're a tortured artist, and that's why

[Mick Bowden]

they want you to write their script

[Ryder Strong]

and not some hack. But enough with the torture. You don't need any more torture on your.

[Mick Bowden]

On your torture plate.

[Ryder Strong]

My wife couldn't agree more.

[Indy Strong]

Nope, can't hear that again.

[Ryder Strong]

She put a moratorium on listening to Anna's mix, but it's not bad music.

[Monica Tremblain]

The point?

[Indy Strong]

I don't need to hear it over and over again. It's not like the 454th time you're gonna hear something new.

[Ryder Strong]

But I still wanted to know what Anna was talking about on the tape.

[Indy Strong]

Okay, so why don't you write down what she says?

[Ryder Strong]

That was actually a good idea. I found software that transcribed everything, including the lyrics to all the songs. I now had a full text file, a readable and searchable version of the tape. I wanted to read the song lyrics. I kept thinking Anna chose these songs for a reason, which is a big assumption. I know some people don't care about lyrics at all. It doesn't matter what a song is saying if it's got a groove. That's the way Alex is. Hold on. Just listen to this one song, because I think this one's important.

[Indy Strong]

Brace myself. Go Chips that stars.

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[Indy Strong]

Nope. Not into it.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, fine, but what is it about?

[Indy Strong]

I don't care. I can't get past the music.

[Ryder Strong]

But I knew she liked Pearl Jam, which Anna had included. She put Daughter on here by Pearl Jam. You like that song?

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[Ryder Strong]

Okay, what's it about?

[Indy Strong]

Okay, what is Daughter about? All right, my interpretation. And, you know, stay with me here. I think it's about a daughter, but

[Ryder Strong]

I couldn't help it. I kept thinking of the mix as a direct expression from Anna, like her own soundtrack, the musical of her life. So, like, did she listen to Daughter and think of her mom? Lainey? I know. That's how I thought of music when I was a teenager. Especially if I made a mix for someone. If I included a song, it was because it expressed something I wanted to say to them or wanted them to understand about my life. I was locked into being my mother's daughter. I was just eating bread and water. I read the lyrics to Ani DiFranco's song out of Range to Alex, thinking nothing ever changes. And I was shocked to see the mistakes of each generation will just fade like a radio station if you drive out of range.

[Indy Strong]

Right. She just doesn't want to become her mom.

[Ryder Strong]

Exactly. And she wants. She has to get away from her, which, I mean. But it's so ironic because Anna's mom is part of this progressive group of women living out in the woods, and yet here she is, listening to this song about an abusive relationship and escaping. All of that is total speculation. And like my wife, you might think I was getting a little obsessive.

[Indy Strong]

I have something interesting to say about that.

[Ryder Strong]

What?

[Indy Strong]

Go write your script.

[Ryder Strong]

Fuck I set a new schedule of waking up at 5am to get some work done before I took Indy to school. I drag myself out of bed, make a pot of green tea and sit at my computer, try to only think about what I had to write. Inevitably, I would find myself with my headphones on, listening to the mix. As it turned out, one morning around 6am, maybe it was the 454th time I did find something. Okay, I was reading along while listening and there's this section.

[Indy Strong]

Get used to it because I'm picking all the music in Operation Van Gogh. I'm gonna make you camp. You're gonna hate it.

[Ryder Strong]

Did you hear that? I'm gonna make you camp. And she called it Operation Van Gogh. Like Van Gogh wasn't about the artist, but a code name for something. And then it clicked. The movie clips. She included Badlands, Wild at Heart. These were movies where two lovers got into a car and ran away. All this Van Gogh stuff wasn't about the artist. It's literally the words themselves. It's a code operation to go, maybe even get in a van and go. The mixtape was evidence that Anna did want to run away, that she and Mick were planning some great escape. Which meant it was time for me to confront one of the most confounding aspects of Anna's disappearance. The Kelty parking lot.

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This is why he kept it secret. I called Monica that day. It's literally a tape where she's talking about her and Mick running off together.

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The theory is she. She paged him, he picked her up that night.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, and they start Operation Bingo. But then something goes wrong. Or maybe she didn't even want to leave in the first place.

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Or he could have backed out.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, and things turned violent. Or, I mean, actually, maybe not. Maybe they just split up and she really did run off, and he brought her to her car, and then she just drove herself to the Kelty lot. For all these years, the clearest indication that Anna had run away has been the fact that her car, technically her mom's car, but the one she used, was found in a parking lot near the San Francisco Airport. Anna, or someone, had driven the car to the Kelty parking lot on Franklin Avenue, only a few miles from sfo, to fly away. Or if someone had murdered her to make it look like she had flown away. There was no plane ticket bought under Anna's name, no flight record. But in 1995, domestic flights rarely checked IDs. Buying a plane ticket in cash under a pseudonym was entirely possible.

[Monica Tremblain]

There's some problems here.

[Ryder Strong]

As usual, Monica didn't hold back.

[Monica Tremblain]

First of all, if Mick didn't murder her and he just decided not to go run away with her, why not just say that? Why not come forward and say.

[Ryder Strong]

That's a good point. That's a good point.

[Monica Tremblain]

You know? And then if he does murder her, that means, number one, he's got to hide this body well enough that nobody ever finds it. Number two, he's got to get the car to the parking lot and then get back in time not to miss school the next day.

[Ryder Strong]

Right, but how do we know that he was in school?

[Monica Tremblain]

Well, I'm not sure if he was ever marked absent, but to be honest, I don't even know if the records were ever checked because.

[Ryder Strong]

Because said that. That he was with her. But she could have easily changed her story to cover for him, which the witness logs made a strong case for. Plus, if Mick had bought her that new car, she registered the Jetta. Only a couple weeks later.

[Monica Tremblain]

Her parents said that he was at the house in the morning. So that means that he's now not only bought her silence and help, but also her parents. I just don't.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, no, that's too much. That's. Even if you don't really want to be recorded. I'd really love to talk. For the millionth time, I tried to reach Anna and Willow's mom, Lainey. I was worried what she might think now that the word was out publicly. I'd like to explain what I've been doing because the stuff that's online right now is definitely not the whole story. And Lainey's car, the car that anna drove in 1995, was a 1988 Toyota Tercel. Two door, white. My brother and everyone remembered Anna and Willow called it Tony.

[Mick Bowden]

Yeah, stick shift, had like a beige interior.

[Ryder Strong]

I remember Tony wasn't found until December 2, after it was logged at the impound lot. When Maldonado and his team caught up with it, all they could do was search the car. Well, no signs of a struggle. Maldonado went over the car evidence with me the first time we sat down, back when he was still talking with me. No notes, no blood. All we can do was bag what was inside that I had seen in the case file. You tell me what you want to see and I can go pull it from the lockers. Bring it out here. Long sleeve shirt, sandals, size 6. The more important and more puzzling aspect of the car was when it had been parked. Understanding that was critical to confirming Mick's story.

[Monica Tremblain]

I mean, but there's no way he could have done all of this that night.

[Ryder Strong]

The San Francisco airport is at least an 80 minute drive from Sebastopol. Right, but you're assuming that the car definitely showed up at the Kelty lot on North November 1st.

[Monica Tremblain]

Oh, you mean the pay.

[Ryder Strong]

Through confusion, the car had been towed from the Kelty lot where its fees had gone unpaid. That lot offered 24 hours of parking for $7. Which side note, that's mind boggling. Nowadays the cheapest rate for 24 hours is like 45. Kelty was one of those off site parking companies. It was bare bones, just a lot. They had six lots, three by SFO and three by the. Okay. The Franklin Avenue lot was uncovered with barely any infrastructure. They didn't have cameras or anything. No, no, I'm kidding. They didn't even have auto stamp tickets. And the cashier was only on site between the hours of 6am and 8pm in off duty hours, a person would fill out a self pay envelope and slide it into one of those metal lock boxes. They had two employees. In the days after Halloween, those guys alternated shifts and neither one of them checked the car in. Meaning Tony arrived after hours to figure out when the car was parked. Maldonado and his team could only work backwards from when it arrived at the impound lot. Well, they'd tow any car after 10 days unpaid. But they did all their towing at the end of the month. So all they had was the self pay envelope. And unfortunately, that envelope was marked in a maddening way. There was a date, 11 4, written in black ink, and then three days written in blue. Kelty attendants said they'd often write a notation on the envelope based on the information and the cash given. But no one claimed either the three days or the November 4th handwriting as their own. Can you explain the paid through thing super carefully just so we have.

[Monica Tremblain]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the initial assumption was that someone paid for three days and the 114 was the date of expiration written down by an attendant.

[Ryder Strong]

So Tony showed up early morning, November 1st.

[Monica Tremblain]

But then, and this is really getting into the weeds, there is a good chance that whoever filled out the envelope put the date they pulled in rather than the date they paid through.

[Ryder Strong]

This was a common occurrence. As Monica reported in the Press Democrat at the time, Kelty employees estimated that about, quote, a quarter of their customers misunderstood the instructions and would put the date of entry, allowing the amount of money inside to indicate when they were paid through.

[Monica Tremblain]

So, right, the person could have meant it either way.

[Ryder Strong]

Which narrows the likely window of Tony pulling into the lot to November 1, before 6am, within eight hours of Anna last being seen, or sometime during the after hours of November 4th, 12:00am to 6:00am or 8:00pm to 11:59pm Mick is accounted for at both those times.

[Monica Tremblain]

November 1st, he's with her parents.

[Ryder Strong]

Allegedly.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Sure.

[Monica Tremblain]

Yeah, allegedly. November 4th, he's interviewed by Maldonado in

[Ryder Strong]

the morning and he joined the search party for Anna that afternoon. Bottom line, there was no time for him to be driving into San Francisco. It seemed like a dead end. Everything seemed like a dead end. And then I saw that Mick posted something on X. It was an announcement for an event, a panel. It was called Breaking AI and the Future of Online Advertising. And in the list of featured panelists, Mick Bowden from J Lite Industries. He was gonna be at the LA Convention center in two days.

[Indy Strong]

Okay, please don't do anything.

[Ryder Strong]

But it's open to the public. All I have to do is buy a ticket. And I think if he sees me in person, he can't avoid it anymore.

[Indy Strong]

Wait, and then he's just gonna have his bodyguards stop you.

[Ryder Strong]

You think he has bodyguards? I don't know.

[Indy Strong]

How rich is he?

[Ryder Strong]

He's pretty rich, Right?

[Indy Strong]

So either way, he could sue you. He can ask to get a restraining order against you.

[Ryder Strong]

I knew what Monica would Do.

[Monica Tremblain]

If you're not going to go for this, then what are we doing?

[Ryder Strong]

She'd go and confront him, just like she wanted me to confront Laughlin and Greer. Plus, I was still thinking about my conversation with Indy.

[Indy Strong]

Dad, you should help. You have to help.

[Ryder Strong]

For the sake of my mental health, my family, and my actual career, I needed to take a break from Anna Trainor. I tried to move on, I really did. But then I went to see the producers of the film I was supposed to be writing. The ones that Chris helped me hold on off. They wanted to have a drinks meeting. A chance to assure them that I was almost done with the script. That in reality, I had maybe 30 pages written. Like a lot of LA meetings, I had to drive all the way to Beverly Hills and pay for parking, which usually means a valet. I pulled up, left my car out front and didn't think twice. Okay. Okay, I need you. I need you to listen to what's going on. When I got home that night, Alice, Alex was on the couch watching tv. Can you. Can you turn that off? I'm recording. Okay, so what happened?

[Bethenny Frankel]

You're shaking.

[Indy Strong]

What did they say?

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the meeting. It was fine. It was fine. Luckily, the producers barely talked about the script. We got off on a tangent about Lord of the Rings. That took up most of the time. It was the valet parking. When I came out to get my car, I saw the posted pricing. It was $24, which, as suspected, is insane, insanely high. But also I wondered, why $24? Why not 20 even or 25? They wouldn't take a credit card, right? Okay, okay. But they charged $24. So what do you have to do?

[Indy Strong]

Give them $24?

[Ryder Strong]

No, if you don't have any ones, you give them two twenties and they have to give you change. As I watched the guy counting out my change, it occurred to me this pricing was probably intentional because if they charged us 20, they wouldn't give any change. But by charging $24, then you. You have somebody having to count out and you're dealing with. With ones and fives and tens, so it makes a tip more likely, right?

[Mick Bowden]

Yep.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay. Which reminded me of the Kelty lot where Anna's car was found and their pricing of $7 a day. They intentionally picked an uneven number.

[Indy Strong]

Shh.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Andy is skinny.

[Ryder Strong]

Which is the cell. So the cell paying envelope where Anna's car was found.

[Indy Strong]

Jesus Christ. We're never getting back to normal life, are we?

[Ryder Strong]

When I Woke up at 5 the next morning, the day of the Breaking through panel I didn't make tea and I didn't go to my computer to write. Instead I loaded up my mics, my gear and I got in my car because Mick's alibi was no longer solid.

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[Indy Strong]

All right.

[Ryder Strong]

I am parked on the street across from the LA Convention Center. It was still dark out. I had found a loading zone. Here's my thinking, which I ran by Monica from my car. We have no idea how much money was in the envelope, right?

[Monica Tremblain]

No, no. Right. But we know that Kelpie.

[Ryder Strong]

Consider it unpaid for 10 days at least by the end of November. So three days would be $21. But what happens if you only have a 20?

[Monica Tremblain]

You put in the 20.

[Ryder Strong]

You might write three days, hoping you'd have the right amount. But then realize you only have a 20 and maybe you don't change what you wrote. You're hoping they let that $1 slide

[Monica Tremblain]

and they give you the third day.

[Ryder Strong]

But they don't. They find your envelope. They count your money. They mark mark down the expiration based

[Indy Strong]

on what you paid Two days.

[Ryder Strong]

Which means the person who parked Hannah's car could have pulled in on November 2nd. A day Mick is unaccounted for. Okay, a couple of SUVs just pulled up. I'm gonna go see. Mick.

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[Ryder Strong]

Mick. Mick. Hold on. No, no. Sorry. I know him. There actually was a guy who looked like a bodyguard. Hey, Mick. It's. It's Right or Strong from Sebastopol. I felt horrible. I felt like paparazzi, like tmz, Just the worst kind of gotcha journalism. But I had to remind myself I wasn't chasing down a Kardashian. And Mick heard me. He couldn't avoid it. I just want to talk to you first. No, I'm just trying to find out what happened to Anna. I'm not accusing you or.

[Mick Bowden]

Of course not, because that's.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, fine. If it is, then you have nothing to hide, right? Hey, look, I was Willow's best friend, man. She never knew what happened to her sister.

[Mick Bowden]

That's not my problem. Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, well. Hey, what was Operation Van Go? Yeah, look, I. No, look, I had the tape, and so did the cops, so I know that you and Anna were planning something. You don't know.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Great.

[Ryder Strong]

Let's talk about it. You know, let's. Let's sit down.

[Indy Strong]

Stop.

[Mick Bowden]

We are not doing this like this.

[Indy Strong]

Julie.

[Ryder Strong]

Can you deal with me, please?

[Mick Bowden]

Okay, if you want to talk. You want to talk like a person,

[Ryder Strong]

man to man, Great. Happy to. Thank you. Okay. Figure it out. Yeah. Thank you.

[Indy Strong]

I strongly suggest you consult with your network, legal counsel.

[Monica Tremblain]

Wait, he said yes?

[Ryder Strong]

It looks like it. The woman Mick put me in touch with, Julie set up a time for an interview. Oh, my God. Though it was. It was truly, truly horrible. It was just the worst. Like, nobody would even look me in the eye. It was like, you know, I'm just the most annoying little. Like a.

[Monica Tremblain]

Like a journalist?

[Mick Bowden]

Yeah, I mean, I remember your brother. Shiloh was cool.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. Mick met me at one of those generic rental offices. We work kind of space.

[Mick Bowden]

Look, I care about the people from back then that actually wanna know the truth. That's the whole reason I wanted to do this. Oh, Julie is also gonna be recording this.

[Indy Strong]

We talked on the phone. Oh.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, you're gonna. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Are you a lawyer?

[Mick Bowden]

No, no, no. What do you think this is, like, some deposition?

[Indy Strong]

No, I'm in public relations for JLIKE. We set aside about 15 minutes for this, I might just interject.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, sure.

[Mick Bowden]

He's gonna record. Because when you edit this and make it sound like I said something I never said I got my own copy. Okay, fair enough.

[Ryder Strong]

Fair enough. Julie had her phone with a mic attached. I suddenly wished I had someone with me, too. I felt outnumbered. Let's just start with some basic questions. But Mick wasn't playing.

[Mick Bowden]

There was no case back then. There's no case now.

[Ryder Strong]

Sure, but I guess. Well, do you remember seeing me that night?

[Mick Bowden]

Yes, of course. Yes. You and her sister.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. Willow. And there was Chris Dellecchio, Orion, my buddy Connor.

[Mick Bowden]

Guy in the phantom mask.

[Ryder Strong]

Right? Yeah. Phantom of the coffee shop around, who

[Mick Bowden]

came at me with a bat. Chris. Swung in my head, took out my headlight.

[Ryder Strong]

Did we hit his car? Yeah, yeah, I think. I think that's right. I went back and checked with Connor and Chris. Now, Willow told us that he had the ear tape, right? Or did she just tell us to, like, damage his car? Man, I don't. I don't remember at all, honestly.

[Mick Bowden]

That's assault. I mean, pretty simple, soul.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, okay, but what I remember is that we were trying to.

[Mick Bowden]

I don't care what you remember. Those are the facts. That's what happened. Came at me with a bat, took up my headlight.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, well, we were just trying to get into your car, so we weren't attacking you by any means. You were. We were just trying to distract you.

[Mick Bowden]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, let's. Let's talk about the party earlier that night. You got into a fight with Anna. Multiple people have said that you guys were screaming at each other. So what were you fighting about?

[Mick Bowden]

As I told the cops back then, I do not remember what the fight was about specifically. I do remember that she had been drinking a lot, which was a little common. I am not here to disparage Anna in any way.

[Ryder Strong]

Even though she dumped you.

[Mick Bowden]

Dumped me?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. I mean, man, she was like. She moved on. You know, she was sleeping around. She partied at the yurt. Remember that?

[Mick Bowden]

All right, that has nothing to do with me.

[Ryder Strong]

And, you know, she had a reputation. Everybody knew what she was doing. And yet here you are. When she pages you, you're coming running, right?

[Indy Strong]

We're short.

[Ryder Strong]

We're short on time. All right, let me.

[Mick Bowden]

I was empathetic to her situation, sure.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay?

[Mick Bowden]

She was in a tough spot. She did not have a father figure in her life. She was living with those feminazis. So, yes, when she needed help, I would go out of my way to assist her.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay? Because he loved her.

[Mick Bowden]

I don't know what that even means. You know, when you're 18, you don't

[Ryder Strong]

know what love means.

[Mick Bowden]

I Had a girlfriend at the time. Yes.

[Ryder Strong]

Right. But you didn't say that at the time. You didn't call her your girlfriend. That's not what you said. Yeah, I can show you the transcript. Okay, because this is. This is actually kind of important. You were interviewed by Maldonado, and he asked you, is she your girlfriend? And he said, no.

[Indy Strong]

I'm sorry, where is.

[Ryder Strong]

This is from the transcripts from the sheriff's department. And then she asks, or he asks you, is she hot? You're like, not even. Not even hot. And then why did you go to her house? And you're like, oh, she was there, right? That's what you said at the time.

[Mick Bowden]

What is this, at the time do with anything?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, you tell me, man.

[Mick Bowden]

Like, is this, like, some me too stuff?

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, God, no.

[Indy Strong]

Yeah, I think. I think we're done here.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, no. Okay, so what did you do that night? Just tell me what you did. What happened? What's your version?

[Mick Bowden]

I got a page. Yeah, I went to pick up Anna to help her again. She wasn't there. And then I left.

[Ryder Strong]

And then you went to.

[Mick Bowden]

Yes, and then I went to.

[Ryder Strong]

She's not your girlfriend. You don't even think is hot. Okay? And then two weeks later, she registers a new car. Did you buy her a new car?

[Mick Bowden]

You think I bought a girl a car when I was 18?

[Ryder Strong]

Well, listen, I got the tape from her. Okay? You know about this tape, right? It's the tape that Anna made for you. Okay, no. Yeah.

[Mick Bowden]

No, sorry, man. No, that's backwards.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay, you have that? Completely. But you know what I'm talking about.

[Mick Bowden]

I found that tape in my car when Anna left it with a bunch of her books and crap. And when I heard it, that's when I knew she was banging some older guy. That tape's not to me.

[Ryder Strong]

Whoa, hold on. She says your name.

[Mick Bowden]

What? No, she doesn't.

[Bethenny Frankel]

She doesn't.

[Ryder Strong]

Yes, say my name. Yes, she does. She. She says Mickey.

[Mick Bowden]

Okay, first of all, all. If someone called me Mickey, they weren't doing it twice.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, let's listen. I have it. I have it. I want to. I want to play this for you. I had my computer with me, and I played in the clip.

[Indy Strong]

I can do it. I can do it. You're my sailor. You're my real life Mickey. Because you are so cool.

[Mick Bowden]

You're such an idiot. Okay, did you listen to the whole tape? Like, did you listen to it all?

[Ryder Strong]

Because.

[Monica Tremblain]

What?

[Ryder Strong]

No idea how many times I've listened to YouTube.

[Mick Bowden]

Dude, she's using movie quotes. Throughout the entire thing. Okay, so from what True Romance, there's bad. The killer movie. Natural Born Killers. Right, Mickey. Natural Born Killers.

[Ryder Strong]

I suddenly knew what he was talking about. Mickey and Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers. The Oliver Stone movie. She wasn't saying his name. It was a mashup of quotes and characters. Sailor was from Wild at Heart, Mickey from Natural Born Killers, and you'd're so Cool was from True Romance. All movies about passionate, doomed lovers running off together and becoming criminals. Hitting the road, really.

[Mick Bowden]

Oh, this is great. Now I'm glad I came and did this. Look at you, you freaking moron. Okay, it's not to me, it's some guy. She even says they're not the same age. I always said that she made that tape for somebody else. An older guy.

[Ryder Strong]

Okay.

[Mick Bowden]

I don't know who he is. I told him to look at the cult leaders, the teachers. There was that one freak, that creeper

[Ryder Strong]

Jacob, who ran that senior. I feel like you're.

[Mick Bowden]

But no, instead, they just keep talking to me. You went, I'm sorry.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm done. We're done. You're right. We're done.

[Mick Bowden]

We're done.

[Ryder Strong]

All right, Julie, come on.

[Redfin Narrator]

Okay.

[Ryder Strong]

Was it really not to Mick?

[Indy Strong]

You said this thing last week. You said, oh, I'm glad you're 16. At least. Because I know it's because you just, like, want me to drive. But then it also can't be true

[Bethenny Frankel]

that age doesn't matter.

[Indy Strong]

Which, by the way you say it all the time.

[Ryder Strong]

How would I miss this? My big move, Finding Mick, confronting him. It was a complete waste. I did finally feel like a journalist. And I guess that means feeling alone, inconvenient, and feeling like everyone. The law and the public are against you. But finally, there was an upside to the podcast being public.

[Mick Bowden]

Writer.

[Indy Strong]

It's Lainey Trainor. I wasn't. To be honest, I didn't want to call you back. It's been. I don't know, it's been years. Decades. But it feels like nothing. When. When something like this. For me, this is yesterday. You know, this is yesterday. I had Willow and Anna. And yesterday I was kicked out the of Maldonado's office. You know that? They called me hysterical. Did you know that? And then years, years, trying to get them, anybody to listen to me. So when Monica put out that story. Yes, yes, yes, yes. This is what I have been saying all along. They didn't want to do their jobs. They didn't want to find heard. They just wanted it to go way. Anyways, I called Monica to thank her. And she said that I should talk to you and that even if I didn't want to be recorded, that I should talk to you. So here I am calling. I'm in Colorado. I don't want to send anything through the mail. I'm not sending anything through the mail. But I have things. I have lots to show you. Things. Things you need to see. Okay, call me back, buddy.

[Ryder Strong]

And I knew I had to go to Colorado. The Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by Ryder Strong. Sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bo Milkus Produced by Tess Bartholomew executive producers at iHeartRadio, Trevor Young and Matt Frederick Associate producer, Bo Milkus Original score by Kyle Morton. If you're enjoying the show, please remember to leave a review and rating. Thanks for listening.

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