Trish Stratus Meets World

Summary

Pod Meets World – "Trish Stratus Meets World"

Podcast: Pod Meets World (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Air Date: November 10, 2025
Guests: Trish Stratus
Hosts: Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle, Ryder Strong

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Episode Overview

This episode takes listeners on a journey through the storied career of Trish Stratus, WWE Hall of Famer and wrestling icon, as she sits down with Danielle, Will, and Ryder. The conversation explores Trish's evolution from aspiring doctor to fitness model to the face of women's wrestling, her pioneering role in transforming the women's division, and the cultural shifts she helped ignite. The hosts also discuss personal and professional boundaries, family, ambition, and the nature of success, all with the warm, nostalgic tone fans expect from Pod Meets World.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trish’s Early Aspirations and the Unexpected Journey to Wrestling

• Academic Ambitions:
  • Trish planned to become a pediatrician, studying biology and chemistry at university.
    • “I wanted to become a doctor. I wanted to become a pediatrician…as tiny as I could remember.” (23:39)
• From University to Fitness Model:
  • A university strike led her to work at a gym, where she was discovered for fitness modeling.
    • “I was three years in and my university went on strike.” (24:28)
    • “Fitness modeling…was not really a thing [then]…they basically slapped us on the cover of magazines…” (25:28)
• Bridging into WWE:
  • Trish was a passionate wrestling fan growing up in Toronto. A chance studio encounter led to her sending demo material to WWE.
    • “I learned to wrestle…was thrown into this wrestling gym with all boys, and I wanted to be treated like the boys.” (28:41)

2. Pushing Through Barriers in a Male-Dominated Industry

• Early Days & Audience Perception:
  • Trish describes her “green” phase and learning curve in the ring—being far from perfect, but determined to improve publicly week by week.
    • “I was pretty crappy in the ring for a little while…in the business we call you being green.” (31:50)
    • “They literally came on this journey where they saw me fall down, stand up again, dust myself off…” (32:09)
• Changing Narrative for Women Wrestlers:
  • Overcoming "puppies" chants and “pillow fight” matches, Trish and her peers started introducing more athletic, competitive, and respected wrestling for women, often in opposition to what male producers thought the audience wanted.
    • “We had to reprogram the audience. They were used to chanting, puppies.” (37:03, 37:16)
    • “We thought we were gonna trade those slaps and hair pulls for punches and for, like, chops.” (39:03)
    • “For a while we were the popcorn match, the bathroom break. Until we started to just deliver.” (39:07)

3. Standing Up for Principles in Wrestling’s Hyper-Sexualized Era

• Never Posed for Playboy:
  • Unlike many women in WWE at the time, Trish refused, staying true to herself despite pressure from management.
    • “It just, it’s just not for me…Vince, oh my God, hounded me like crazy.” (47:56, 49:00)
    • “No, I do not regret it...it’s just not my thing. And now…I couldn’t even imagine, to be honest.” (49:18)
• Rejecting Storylines:
  • Trish also turned down certain racy or non-wrestling storylines, sometimes facing in-ring consequences for her choices.
    • “I got stripped of the belt right away…shown that this was, you were being punished for your decision…” (50:24–50:46)
    • “I still stand by my decision…” (50:59)
• Industry Dynamics:
  • The cost of having boundaries in entertainment—hosts discussed how noncompliance often led to missed opportunities or punishment, but how important these stances become in the long run.
    • “Being a team player means doing whatever is asked of you…if you have any sort of boundaries, there will usually be some negative repercussion…” (51:10)

4. Cultural Impact and Wrestling World Evolution

• On Representation and Progress:
  • Trish’s journey became a blueprint for today’s women wrestlers, with a shift from “valets” to stars and champions.
    • “It would be impossible to be a women's wrestler and to not look back and say Trish Stratus was not one of the reasons…wanted to do it.” (66:57)
    • “It’s the people who have nothing to look at first that are the true pioneers...” (68:12)
• Advice to Young Talent:
  • “Find and stay as authentic as you can…when there’s that authenticity to the character, it resonates with the fans.” (57:54)
  • On longevity: “Do yoga…25 years and I barely…injuries that have sidelined me.” (56:33)

5. Balancing Life, Parenthoood, and Longevity

• Returning to Wrestling After Retirement:
  • Trish shared how she came out of retirement, after starting a family and running businesses, with her body still capable of high-level moves, crediting yoga and “calloused” resilience.
    • “I went back…had a cage match…And it’s the yoga…” (58:35–59:02)
    • “Now…because my body can, I’m trying things that I have never done before…a whole new move set nowadays.” (59:38)
• Perspective for Her Younger Self:
  • “Stay true to yourself always…enjoy the moment, be in the moment, smell the roses…when I’m with my kids, when I’m Mom, I’m Mom. And when I’m superstar, I’m W. Superstar. So it’s important.” (61:39–63:26)

6. Memorable, Lighthearted Moments

• Lookalike Banter:
  • Will and Trish joke about how often they are compared in appearance.
    • “Have you also been told somewhere around 30,000 times that we look alike?...It’s a massive honor…” (22:39)
• Hosts’ Wrestling Neophyte Experiences:
  • Ryder describes attending matches for the first time, surprised at the athleticism of the women and the complexity of wrestling’s culture and “language.”
    • “I thought the women were, frankly, better than the guys…more athleticism at the time…” (42:02)
• Playful Aspirations:
  • Danielle and Trish discuss possibly teaming up in a cage match; Trish expresses enthusiasm for joining "Dancing with the Stars" someday.
    • “Me and Danielle should have a cage match, but like, maybe as teammates.” (58:46)
    • “A thousand percent, I would love to…I love challenges! I thrive on challenge…” (65:04)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On role models in women's wrestling:
  • “It would be impossible to be a women's wrestler and to not look back and say that Trish Stratus was not one of the reasons…wanted to do it and laid the foundation.” — Will Friedle (66:57)
• On staying true amid pressure:
  • “No, I do not regret it…that is my decision. Stand by it.” — Trish Stratus (49:18)
• On learning curves in wrestling:
  • “They literally came on this journey where they saw me fall down, stand up again, dust myself off…” — Trish Stratus (32:09)
• On shifting the narrative:
  • “We had to reprogram the audience…They were used to chanting, puppies.” — Trish Stratus (37:03)
• Advice for young wrestlers:
  • “Find and stay as authentic as you can…when there’s that authenticity to the character, it resonates with the fans.” — Trish Stratus (57:54)
• On legacy and savoring the present:
  • “Stay true to yourself always…enjoy the moment, be in the moment, smell the roses…” — Trish Stratus (61:39; 63:26)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• 22:28 – Trish joins the show; Will jokes about lookalike comments
• 23:39–26:49 – Trish details her academic background and accidental modeling career
• 27:00–29:59 – How Trish got into wrestling and the landscape for women at the time
• 31:50 – Discussing initial struggles and growth on live television
• 37:03–40:17 – Breaking out of oversexualized roles and initiating change for women wrestlers
• 47:56 – Choosing not to pose for Playboy and standing by her ethics
• 52:20 – Most underrated wrestler: Natty Neidhart
• 54:51–58:00 – Advice for young talent, value of yoga, juggling family and career
• 59:38–61:27 – Returning to wrestling, physical capacity with age
• 61:39 – Words of wisdom to her younger self
• 65:04 – Would Trish ever do Dancing with the Stars? Enthusiastic yes!

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Episode Tone & Style

Warm, nostalgic, and full of playful banter. The hosts’ reverence for Trish and her trailblazing status is clear, but so is their appreciation for her candor, humor, and resilience. The wrestling world is painted as both harsh and full of camaraderie, with Trish’s journey illustrating the rewards of authenticity and perseverance.

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For Your Ears Only

Listeners who grew up with Boy Meets World or wrestling in the ‘90s/2000s will find this episode especially resonant. The conversation is insightful for anyone interested in personal growth, the fight for equity in the workplace, or behind-the-scenes show business realities. Trish’s advice, anecdotes, and legacy stand as both a time capsule and a guide for the future.

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Tip: To hear Trish’s stories in her own words and catch the hosts’ signature chemistry, check out the episode at the timestamps provided for each topic above!

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[Ryder Strong]

Of the picture, everybody's getting along fine.

[Will Friedle]

I mean, everyone was stoked. And like, I felt really good being able to be like, wow, it's such a relief to not have all of this, you know, day to day, constant house pressure, like taking care of the house pressure, taking care of the kids pressure. And I've really, what a selfish but like, selfish in a great way thing I've been able to do to just really like what a gift. I've been able to focus on this and it's been just about me. And it's felt really good and like everyone was doing really great. Jensen was loving it, even though it's been, you know, we're all exhausted, but everyone seemed fine. And I'd come home from work and the kids would say, how was your dance? And do you have a video? Let me see it. And they'd want me to walk them through what the dance was about or whatever. And then a couple of days pass after I have this conversation with my dad and we get a call from Adler's school.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh no.

[Will Friedle]

It's his teacher.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh no.

[Will Friedle]

And she says, so we had a little bit of an issue today with Adler and I wanted to talk to you about it. And we're like, okay, what happened? And she said, well, he's been having a little bit of trouble self starting on some of his work.

[Ryder Strong]

Welcome to the club.

[Will Friedle]

And she said, and so I started asking him like, what was going on. And he told us that he is feeling very stressed because his dad inputted a lot of information on the computer wrong and then got fired. And his dad is very nervous that he's never gonna get another job. And none of this is true. A single. Does he have a job?

[Ryder Strong]

A computer programming job we're unaware of?

[Will Friedle]

No, none of that's true. And the teacher was like, oh, well, that does sound stressful. And he said, yeah, my dad's very upset about it and he's very nervous. And then he said, and also my mom died. And the teacher said, I'm sorry. And he was like, yes, my mom. My mom is dead.

[Ryder Strong]

This is when the alarm bells in your teacher's brain are going off.

[Will Friedle]

Wow.

[Ryder Strong]

I just saw her last week.

[Will Friedle]

The teacher was like, well, why don't you tell me more about that? Because didn't want to shut him down. Didn't want to be like, no, she didn't. Just like, why don't you tell me more about that? And he kept going, but then at some point just said, well, maybe that's not true. And then moved on. And like, wow. And she said, so I just wanted to talk to you guys about it. So I get out of rehearsal that day at like 2pm and was supposed to see the PT and was like, not going to go see the PT. I'm just going to go pick up Adler from school. And so I get to school before you're awake, right?

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

So I get to the school and he sees me on campus and he comes running to me. He goes, mom, what are you doing here? This is a Friday night. And what are you doing here? And I go, I'm. I got out of rehearsal, and I just. I missed you. I wanted to pick you up, and so, you know. Yeah, let's go. And he goes, great. What are we doing tonight? And I said, you've got movie night with your friends. Remember? You've. You know, you. You were seeing. You wanted to get together with these people, and you're doing a movie night. And he goes, oh, yeah, I remember that. But that's okay. You know what? I just want to hang out with you tonight. And I said, well, actually, while you're at movie night, I have to go back to rehearsal. And he bursts into tears.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, no.

[Will Friedle]

And says, I hate this job. Why did you take this job? All you do is dance, dance, dance, dance. That's all you do. You never get to hang out with me and Keaton anymore. I want you to quit. Are you going to quit or not?

[Ryder Strong]

God.

[Will Friedle]

And I said. I was like, oh, it seems like maybe you've been feeling this way for a long. For a while. And maybe you just haven't been telling anybody. Yes, I have been feeling this way for a long time. And you even got hurt. Your leg was purple, and you. And then all this just apparently.

[Ryder Strong]

No, it all came out.

[Will Friedle]

Everything just came out. And I, like, reached my hand into the back because, you know, he's sitting behind me in his car seat, and I reached my hand into the back, and he kicked my hand away. And I was like, okay. I, like, pulled my hand forward, and I said, I can tell that this is really hurting you. And I said, and I am sorry, because I have obviously not done a good enough job of being able to connect with you when I have been able to see you. And I know that I haven't seen you as much as I was able to be with you before, but my love for you doesn't change when we're apart. And he was like, I just need to know if you're gonna quit. And I said, mommy is not going to quit her job. And he said, why? Why won't you quit your job? And I said, well, a couple of reasons. One, mommy really loves her job. And two, because this job is not forever, and I made a commitment to the job, so I'm not going to quit. And he was like, but you even got hurt. And I said, and you got hit with a baseball. And. Baseball. But you still play baseball. And when you're in karate, you have You've rolled your ankle in karate and you still continue with K. I said, I'm okay, and I'm gonna continue the job. I said, but no matter what, this job is over by Thanksgiving, and we've got, you know, then things will go back to normal. And I said, and in the meantime, you and I will find special ways to connect when I am able to be with you. But for the next few weeks, it's still gonna be really hard. And it's totally understandable that you're angry. And I love you very much, and I'm thankful. Thank you so much for telling me. And you can always tell me when you're upset. And I said, and so do you think maybe that this is the reason why you told your teacher that daddy got fired and mommy died? And he was like, yes. And I said, okay. And then we get home and he walks in, and he. As he walks in, he goes, one last chance. Are you gonna quit or not? And I said, mommy is not gonna quit her job. And he walked in, slammed the door, went into the other room. Keaton's there. And so Keaton's like, mommy. And I grabbed Keaton. I talked to Keaton. A couple minutes pass, and then Adler goes, mom. I said, yeah. He's like, come in here. I need you. I said, okay. So I go around the corner, and he goes, I'm sorry I said all of that stuff.

[Ryder Strong]

Aw, man.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I gave him a hug.

[Will Friedle]

And anyway, we're still working through it.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah. A couple questions. One, when he kicked your hand away, did he pull the kick back in a good snap?

[Will Friedle]

Like a jive?

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, like a jive kick.

[Will Friedle]

Good retraction.

[Ryder Strong]

I was wondering if. Yeah, the call was gonna be, you know, your school calls, and they're like, we've had a problem with Adler. He got into a fight with another boy and he did an Argentine tango on his face. Ye.

[Danielle Fishel]

So he did a flicker roll.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, man.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

I mean, again, you're busy. Ryder and I have been wanting you to quit this job. And we had that whole crying thing with you too. Well, yeah. We announced on our other podcast that Danielle had died. Right. He lost his homeless paying computer job. That's how normal people act out. That's what we do. We don't express that we miss you. We just make up lies for further attention. Hi, I'm Ryder Strong. And I'm Will Friedle. Our partner just flew to the moon. So she's not here. She can't be here. But it is. Your schedule is. Is ridiculous. Though, I mean it is. It is really ridiculous for. And I know it's a finite schedule, but I mean, damn, it's. This has become basically a 247 job for you.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, literally. Oh, that's the other thing I forgot all about. Factoring in social media posts, we have to like twice a week meet with, meet, meet and spend an hour each time just coming up with posts.

[Ryder Strong]

That's what makes Ryder jealous. That's what makes it part of your job. That makes Ryder trying to get there.

[Will Friedle]

The part he likes.

[Ryder Strong]

You've got so many tiktoks up here, they just can't get out. Oh, they're all up here.

[Will Friedle]

My next favorite thing that happened was yesterday, Adler. For the last couple of days, like right after the live show, Adler wants to watch Dancing with the Stars every morning. He wants to like rewatch all the performances. So we were watching it a couple of times in this last week when Elaine was in the ambulance. Adler looked at me and he said, I want you to have to go in an ambulance so that you can come home to.

[Danielle Fishel]

Please.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, you basically would have gotten the same scores.

[Will Friedle]

So anyway, my kids want me injured.

[Ryder Strong]

I know. Well, the good news is if the. If the worst happens and you get kicked off Dancing with the Stars, they're going to be so happy. Great homecoming when that happens.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly. I know. It is. Real life is sweet.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Plus they'll just hang the mirror ball in their room.

[Will Friedle]

I'm just gonna have to buy two mirror balls.

[Ryder Strong]

So you actually get to keep a mirror ball if you win. Like that's.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Ryder Strong]

Is it like a big, like how big disco ball?

[Will Friedle]

It's got a big round base and then it's got, you know, like a stand and then a ball that sits on top of it and it says Dancing with the Stars across it. It's like the logo all rhinestoned out.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow. Is it more opulent than when I was the. In the parade and Christmas in Louisville, Kentucky in 1993. I got this little plaque. Is it yours? Is probably better. It's not nearly as good as a Youth and Film award though. Well. Oh, I remember film awards are paper. Look at that. It has a golden seal on it.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, wow.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, that's just your nomination, though. This is just when I was nominated. It's an honor just to be nominated.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Really. That is what I really want to do is direct. Kids.

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

To be considered a goat in your chosen profession is as much of a burden as it is a blessing. Whether you're Michael Jordan in basketball, Tiger woods in golf, me in ballroom dancing, heavy is the head that wears the crown. And somehow, this week's guest is not only a goat in her field, she continues to set the standard. 25 years later, she's a WWE hall of Famer who holds the record for longest reign of any women's World champion in the 21st century at 448 days. Widely regarded as the greatest female wrestler of all time, she's a record seven time women's champion who has returned to the WWE now mixing it up with the wrestlers she Inspired. Celebrating her 25th year in the industry. She's an absolute icon who brings fans not only a sense of nostalgia, but an example of strength and perseverance that goes well beyond championship titles and piledrivers. And she's been on enough magazine covers to personally offend trees. Welcome to POD meets world. The quintessential WWE diva. Canada's greatest export, The Queen of Queens and the best diva ever. It's Trish Stratus.

[Ryder Strong]

Yay.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hey.

[Will Friedle]

Hi, Trish. How are you? This is awesome. Thank you so much for doing this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Of course. I was like, I know this is gonna happen one of these days, right?

[Will Friedle]

Absolutely. I just as my first question to you, I just want to know, have you also been told somewhere around 30,000 times that we look alike? It's a massive honor every time it happens, but I want to know if it happens to you too.

[Danielle Fishel]

I feel exactly the same way. I think maybe be 33,000 times 33 if I remember correct.

[Ryder Strong]

I don't see it. I don't see it.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, no, no, it's the glasses.

[Ryder Strong]

I was gonna say Trish is wearing glasses.

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't even know who she is.

[Ryder Strong]

So. Clark Kent. She's Clark Kenning it up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Clark Kent is. You can't see me.

[Ryder Strong]

That was John Cena. I got the reference.

[Danielle Fishel]

I got the reference.

[Will Friedle]

Yes. Good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Will.

[Will Friedle]

I have been a fan for a very long time, but it was not until this very podcast during my. I realize that you went to the university in Toronto to become a doctor, correct?

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my gosh. What specific field were you interested in?

[Danielle Fishel]

So I was always wanting to be a pediatrician. I studied. So first I was biology and chemistry, double major. And then I like always was, you know, sports. Grew up playing, just total tomboy. And so then I kind of merged into some of my passion, which was kinesiology. It was biology, kinesiology. And the idea was to become a doctor. I wanted to become a pediatrician and that. I mean, I really look back when I did, I did a documentary for A and E. And you, you know, that's when you pull out all these everything when you're like, oh, I actually have stuff when I was a kid, so I like journals. And I was like, little pictures of me being like, I want to be a doctor. Since I was as, you know, tiny as I could remember. So it was pretty cool.

[Will Friedle]

Wow. How did you then make a detour? Because you started modeling. So how did you make the detour from school and being. Becoming a doctor and then incorporating modeling into that? That.

[Danielle Fishel]

So my university went on strike. So I was like, I'm like hyper focused. Everything I was doing from the time even before, you know, in high school, I was like. I started volunteering at the hospital. I was prepping to become a doctor from a very young age. And then my university, I was three years in and my university went on strike. So the professors striked and everyone, like the kids just went and we literally just waited for school to come back in session. So a lot of the art students went back and just did their exams and things like that. But a lot of the science students had to go back and do, you know, like the hands on practicums and stuff.

[Ryder Strong]

So.

[Danielle Fishel]

So during that time, though, I got discovered. I was working at a gym. Just my. My thought was just to go work at a gym so that I could train for free and, you know, get keep ready for my sports because I was playing field hockey for University and I was playing soccer for my town and, and so I was waiting for them to come back in session. And so fitness modeling, everyone kind of knows it now, but back in.

[Ryder Strong]

It.

[Danielle Fishel]

Was not really a thing. It was sort of like there was women bodybuilding and not really fitness models. Nothing really like attainable or like achievable or healthy necessarily as well. And so one of the publishers of the bodybuilding magazine saw this sort of missing niche and he started Oxygen magazine. You guys might have known it, might know it, but Oxygen magazine. And so he was like, okay, I'm going to start this thing. I think it's a niche. And he went out and like hand picked a bunch of women to basically be his, his supermodels, you know, of the fitness modeling world, to launch this world of fitness modeling. So he basically slapped us on the COVID of magazines and said, this is Trish Stratus, she's the newest and hottest fitness model. And I was. And then there you were, there he was. And I suddenly had a career. And then school came back in session and I was like on the COVID of magazines. I was starting to do autograph signings at stores. Like, you know, it was just, it was became this little. I had a career suddenly. So going back and like balancing the two, going back to full time school and like, you know, I was doing. And the bodybuilding thing where you're carrying the lunch and the, you know, protein and chicken and broccoli, three, three to six, you know, times a day. So you would be carrying that to class and it just didn't work out. So I just, at 22 years old, I was like, I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna take care advantage of this little opportunity I have and then focused on fitness modeling and did that for a couple years and banged out half a dozen covers and, and then ended up in wrestling.

[Will Friedle]

Wow. How did that phone call from WWE come about? Because now there are tryouts and there are performance centers, but back then they had to contact you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Oh, it was, it was such a different world. I mean it now it's a, I mean, as you know, it's a, it's a whole thing. It's. They, they, they're grooming their talent to become in the big leagues. Right? So it's like the minor leagues. And back in the day it was like traditionally most people were sort of in the independent scene, wrestling and doing their things and then they would get discovered or someone would see them or they, you know, Internet would make them popular and then People, they'd seek them out. Mine was a little different. I was on a television show with one of my magazine covers to promote it. And so I don't know if you. So in Canada, we had this thing. I'm in Canada. Yeah, in Canada, we had this thing called Slam jams. Do you remember that? Anybody?

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. So Michael Hayes, he was basically, to the Canadian audience, was like, hey, Canada, we're coming to. And it was like, just for the Canadian broadcast, a little, like, little vignettes for them, right? And so they were filming it in the studio next to where I had filmed my interview for my. For my magazine. And they're like. They knew I loved wrestling.

[Will Friedle]

They're like, oh, they're doing.

[Danielle Fishel]

And I mean, I. When I say I love wrestling, like, they used to come to me. WWE used to come to WWF at the time, used to come Gardens. I used to go. When I was a kid, I grew up watching it. I was. That. That was my thing. And so they're like, we know you love wrestling. They're actually filming slam jams next door if you want to go sit in the audience. I was like, oh, my God. So I go in there, and Michael Hayes, who's well known from back in the day, he actually spotted me and said, oh, you're Trish Stratus from the fitness muscle mags. And I was like, oh, yes, I am cool. And he says, why don't you send your stuff to us? And I was like. Like, I. There was no. You know, this is like, 1990. No, this is 1999. There's, like, not really a flourishing women's anything. Right. Except for the women who walk the men to the ring. And so I was like, so what? What do I do there? I never thought that would be something I could do. I never saw wrestling. I never watched wrestling. A saw like, oh, I can do that like they do now. Right, right. And so I just said, okay, sure, yeah, I'll do that. So I prepared a press kit. I sent it to them. And I didn't hear back initially. And when I didn't hear back for a couple months, I was like, well, let me prepare the best possible package, AKA me. And I went and found where Edge from Toronto as well. I went. Found out where he trained. And I knocked on the door and said, hi, I'd like to train. And they're like, oh, isn't she cute? What do you want to do, honey? Like, And I said, no, no, I want to be like, I want to. Want to be treated like the boys. So I was thrown into this wrestling gym basically with all boys, and I wanted to be treated like boys. And I learned to wrestle. And then they called a couple months later, Jim Ross called me up to Connecticut and then I went and met with him. And then I went, came. I went home to Toronto and a couple of weeks later I got a contract offer. So it was pretty awesome. Oh, that's my preparedness meets opportunity, you know, because there was a moment in the meeting where he was like, all right, now it's like. Because it's like there wasn't women much, right? So he was like, I'm just like, you know, it's a very physical job. It's, you know, you can get bumped. And it wasn't. He wasn't even saying me wrestling. He was just saying as the valet on the side, you might get bumped down, someone might throw a shoe at you, like something like that. Right. So I was like, yeah, well, I've been training for a few months now. And so I, I had that. And I really feel like he was like, okay, you know, and kind of just took a note of that. And I feel like that made a big difference in the interview. Wow.

[Ryder Strong]

Were you already a fan of wrestling?

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, oh, yeah, grew up watching it. Yeah, Maple Leaf Gardens was like a hotbed for wrestling. You know, a lot of their, they, they came there quite often and I saw them quite a bit. And yeah, I mean, I had boy cousins. I tried my best to be hang with the boys even from a young age. And so, yeah, I was a big fan of wrestling and so grew up watching it. And so again, like. But never saw myself in it. You know, everyone says, oh, did you grow up? And saying, you know, when I grew up on will be a wrestler. But the girls do that now thanks to what done.

[Ryder Strong]

Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

But back then there was nothing really to watch to go, okay, I want to do that.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, was at the time, was your family like, okay, wait, hang on, you're going to give up being a doctor to be a professional wrestler? And you're like, yep. And were they. I mean, were they supportive or.

[Danielle Fishel]

Look, ultimately they. So luckily the transition wasn't like overnight. It was like there was that halt in school where they saw me, you know, start training. Then I was like, oh, my God, I got this opportunity to be on a cover. And then I was. They saw me like, hardcore doing the training, the, the eating, the whole. It's a whole discipline, right, that you have to endure in order to sort of have that physique and to do that, that discipline. So they saw that. Then they saw the result of my hard work being on covers, getting suddenly being booked, making money, suddenly with a job, a career. And so when I kind of transitioned, it was a little bit of a. I'm gonna give this a whirl. And they were like, I mean, look, they were just. They. I was a sports kid. I was a performance kid. So when I could join my two worlds and do this amazing thing, they're like, yeah, I mean, give it a shot. I was 22 years old at the time, like, 23, actually. You know, skip overall. So, yeah, they're okay.

[Will Friedle]

What is the. The learning curve of going from I don't know anything about wrestling to being very proficient in the ring? What. How. How quickly did you feel you accomplished that?

[Danielle Fishel]

I was pretty crappy in the ring for a little while in live in, thousands of people. Like, it was like, okay, yeah, no, I definitely had, you know, in the business we call you being green, definitely had my green phase. But I'll tell you, I think it's really. That was what allowed the audience to have that special connection with me where they're like, oh, here's this chick who's, like, some fitness chick, and she's in the wrestling world, but, hey, I saw her, like, kind of do a move. That's cool. And they saw me try and tried. I said to myself, each week I go out, I just have to, like, improve. I have to do better than I did last week, week. And so they literally came on this journey where they saw me fall down, you know, stand up again, dust myself off, and, like, go at it again. And they saw me do really crappy matches and pretty awful moves at times, but they stood with me. But then they saw the improvement. They watched it. It was like a true underdog story. Like, they literally watched me go from here to there, and they were along for the journey. So when I eventually won the women's championship, which I was the greenest wrestler in that match when I first, and that women's championship match, the first time I won it, and people were like, oh, I did not expect that. Like, it was like, you can hear there's a palpable crowd reaction, like, oh, I did. Nope, did not expect that. You know, not that one to win it, but they were happy for me, you know, and then they got to see me grow into the role. So, yeah, there was definitely a learning curve. And it was tough for sure, because, you know, not everyone was supportive and everything, but. But I do My connection with the audience was definitely because of that really organic rise that I got to do.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm so curious, but, I mean, as somebody who grew up doing sports, you obviously know that there's a very big difference between being hurt and being injured. And it seems to me that every time I watch a wrestling match, I understand injuries can be rare, but I'm like, how do you not get hurt every single match? Do you get hurt every match?

[Danielle Fishel]

Essentially, you know, it's like. I know it sounds weird, but it's like a calloused body in a way. So the first time I went to that, I walked in. My trainer's name was Ron Hutchison. I walked in, he was like, all right, hit the ropes. And you're like, oh, my. You think, you know, you see us bouncing off the ropes. When you hit the ropes for the first time, it's just like, don't out. Okay? It's not. There's no bounce whatsoever. And people think, you know, the mat goes like, it's a. It's not a cushion. Yeah, it does. It has a little bit of give, but that's. So you don't blow your knees out, but it's not a cushion, you know, and especially I trained. There was a. It wasn't even. There wasn't a wrestling right at the time, I was a boxing ring, so it was even more, you know, solid. But, yeah, your body. So at first, it was just like black and blue do for. For weeks on end, and you're just like, okay, let's go. Keep going. And as long as you can, keep enduring it. It's just eventually you learn how to fall property. Of course, you learn how to, you know, take that. It's like stunts to a certain degree, right?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

You learn to properly fall into. Take the fall a certain way. You know, we always say, keep your neck to your chin, you know, so. I'm sorry. Neck to your chin. That's.

[Ryder Strong]

Impressive.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's impressive. Whole another level, you know, so it's like little things like that so you don't snap. You're not getting whiplash every time you hit the mat like that. So you. You know, you train and you learn and you get used to it, and it's kind of like a callous body. You sort of. After a while, you don't get the bruises. You hit the ropes, and it's kind of fine. And, you know, and then. Don't. Don't get me wrong, because when you take a break and you retire and you go back, you get the bruises. Again.

[Ryder Strong]

That'S the physical part. But I want to hear about like what about getting used to being a celebrity, being a performer, having to do interviews. Did that come naturally to you or was that likewise a learning curve?

[Danielle Fishel]

So I was very lucky that I had a little bit of training with the fitness modeling, right. So I was very quickly sort of thrust into the spotlight. I was like, you know, like I said, I went from like university student and like the most, I mean was, I was a little bit of a, you know, I was a memorable player on my team. So I always kind of was like in the local paper and like things like that. So I would do little interviews and things like that. But when I got got into the fitness modeling, it was like when I say it was a new industry, like there was only like we always equate it to like the supermodels back in the 90s where there was Cindy and Naomi and Linda Evangelista. So there was like me, Amy Valley, Monica, Brad. There was like seven or eight of us and every magazine was us. And so very quickly they just turned this industry into a thing. Right. He blew it up. Suddenly there was fitness magazine, suddenly was an industry. And so we were, we had to go. We were the ones blowing it up. We are the ones doing the interviews. We were the ones on, you know, what was it, Access Hollywood? I think it was back then, right. We were on the, all those shows sort of like introducing this new industry and showing what fitness modeling was and then all just doing all these interviews. I would do interviews for the magazines and things like that. And there was. So I got the sort of media training. So I was lucky. And I think, you know, people kind of. You have sometimes you have it, you have it. Some people kind of are comfortable and some aren't, right. So yeah, but I mean a different level when of course you're walking through and know crowds and there's thousands of people that meet you at the airport. That was definitely a different level for sure. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Well, I mean around the year 2000, you become one of the most recognizable faces in the company. And not just for your beauty, but for your in ring talents and your personality. But looking back, so much of that era involved these awkward like horny storylines for men. Yes. And you were able to push so far beyond that. Was it it hard though to get people to see you as more than just the hot chick?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh yeah, yeah. I mean it wasn't even that was it. So it was almost like you had to like reprogram the audience. They were Used to chanting, puppies. You know, I don't know if you guys, like. Who. I know. I know you watched. I don't know if you guys, like, back in the day, it was like, women would come out, they're like, we want puppies. That is what they. We were like that.

[Will Friedle]

So we.

[Danielle Fishel]

We went through a phase where we're like, we're gonna have a wrestling match, and they're chanting, do you want to.

[Will Friedle]

Tell them what puppies is? They don't understand.

[Ryder Strong]

I'm missing something.

[Will Friedle]

Puppies. They wanted. They wanted.

[Ryder Strong]

They were asking you to flash. God.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, God, yes. Can you imagine? And it's so funny because it's almost like, you know when you go back and you watch a Disney movie, like Pinocchio, you're like, is he okay? So my kid, you know, so back in the day, when you watch that old school wrestling, you're kind of like, did Jerry Lawler just say. Yeah, he's referring to breasts. Yeah. So we had to endure that. We. We had to, like, get through it, you know, we had to, like. And my whole. The only way to do it was was to prove that you deserve to be there more than just those chants you deserve to get. So I remember there's a turning point. I remember we started wrestling a little bit more. So the audience was kind of like, you know, learning to see us wrestle now. And there was a. It was Thanksgiving. And so they approached us and we were. We felt like we're kind of starting to move out of the. The girly stuff. Like, the cat fights and the things like paddle on a pole match. Like, it. Crazy stuff that you're. Yeah, believe me. And back when we do. When we're doing it, when you were like, I think we have to, like, go through the motions. Fly a creator, but start getting some real stuff in. Like, we thought we're gonna trade those. The slaps and the hair pulls for, like, punches and for, like, chops, you know what I mean? And so slowly we started to do that, and, like, we were kind of like, reprogramming the audience to, like, expect that from them, because they really weren't at first. And believe me, even backstage, there was producers going, yeah, we don't. People don't want to see women punch each other. They want to see hair pulling. They want to see cat fighting. They don't want to see that.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, my gosh.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, we were told that we're like. And it was like, literally, like, stop that. Don't do that. So we had to, like, anyone looking Boom. You know what I mean?

[Ryder Strong]

Like, why not just give you pillows and call it a day?

[Danielle Fishel]

Honestly, that's what they for sure wanted. I mean, there were many pillow fights. Yeah, like, it was. Yeah, there was, I think, Wrestlemania. There was like. I can't remember. I think I. I was out of there by then, but I think it was a Wrestlemania, because pillow fight for the women. Like, yeah, it was pretty bad for a while, but, like, so we just knew. It was like, if we just like, keep sort of slipping it and be under the radar, so they're like, oh, women's match. Like, don't worry, that's the best. And for a while, we were the popcorn match. We're the bathroom break. We were that until we started to just deliver. And then when we went out there and I think the turning point was like, you know, a woman, her name is Jazz. It was Jazz Victoria. These are women that I worked with that we were like, we need to change the narrative. We need to change the conversation, you know, and. And change the, you know, what they expect from us in the ring. They expect us to just be hot. So, like, I even know there was a point where I was dressing. I was dressing down. I wasn't like, wearing what they wanted me to wear. I was like, don't notice what I'm wearing. I didn't wear shorts. I was. I was like, I'm putting on full brigade. You're gonna wrestle, you know, And I was like. Then we had a guy, an agent, who was working with his backstage stage, and he was like, I want to see you guys punch as well. And he goes, just. Just do it. Just go do it. Like, what? You can ask for forgiveness and permission at that point, right?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

So we just started to go do it and like, slowly but surely, the we want puppies chance turned into. I remember. So this gravy bowl mat. There was a Thanksgiving we had. We thought we were getting out of this, you know, crappy little pillow fights and things like that. But they're like, okay, we're gonna have a gravy bowl match. And we're like, oh, we thought we were past this. Okay, but you have to do it. You're job. Right? So I'm like, okay, we're gonna have a gravy bowl much. I'm gonna start it. Really cool. So we come out on the stage, the top, and they used to be. The ramp used to be really high back in the day. And so we had the top, and I had Stacy just like, she tossed me right off the Top. And I took a big bump from the top, right? And the fans were like, holy. And when we have a whole set, they were like, instead of a puppy stand, so, you know, just like that, we're just kind of slipping in the cool and the good action. And after a while, they just started to become programmed to see us like that. And. And, you know, started to come around, and the puppies chants went away, and the. And the cheering for us in matches and false accounting for our false finishes started to happen. And it was like, we're like, we're doing it. Like, we were really doing it. So it was pretty cool.

[Ryder Strong]

That's one of my favorite things I think about when Danielle, like, brought us into this world. I love the kind of micro worlds where there's a whole language, there's an entire culture, there's a whole. The music all means something. I mean, every. There'd be one note that would bang out, and everyone would go nuts. And I'd turn to Jensen or Danielle and be like, okay, what's happening? Like, all right, here's what's going on. So, I mean, it's really cool to see that there is an entire culture based around this. And the idea that you were kind of there at the beginning for the. The. The women's side of it is. Is pretty spectacular because I. I, again, I've only seen two matches, but especially in the first one.

[Danielle Fishel]

Was it mine? Did you see it in mine in preparation for the interview? Of course you saw mine, right?

[Ryder Strong]

Of course, of course. No, I meant live. I've only seen two matches live.

[Will Friedle]

He's watched many.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, many tons of yes, but the smackdown, I mean, I said to Danielle, I thought the women were, frankly, better than the guys. I mean, they just. They were. At the time, it seemed there was more athleticism at the time, and what I said was, like, there was just more exciting. So going in as a neophyte, I was like, these are just kind of more exciting matches, frankly. So. Yeah, but it is there. That whole world getting into a whole new culture is such a cool kind of experience.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, well, I feel like the same, like, with the. With them. You know, everyone's like, how. What's your. What do you attribute your success to? And I have many things that I do attribute my success to, but I was very lucky that I did come into these at the beginning of these. You know, the beginning of these industries. Right. Like, fitness model was very new, so I got to, like, explore before it became oversaturated. And same with wrestling, because before you know, became like, I just kind of got the chance to like get it to a point where it was like we, it was talked about and it was becoming mainstream and people were now demanding women's matches and we're getting equal time as the men and, and things like that. So it was cool to be a part of that sort of beginnings of things.

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

One other thing that really maybe sets you apart from some of the other female wrestlers at the time was that you never posed for Playboy, which was almost like a guarantee if you were a female wrestler at the time. What, what made you make that decision? And did you ever second guess yourself?

[Danielle Fishel]

No. Oh my gosh. I, I, it just, it's just not for me. When I say I'm like a tomboy. Like, even though I'm known, I am known as a sex symbol. I suppose I've heard that. Yeah, it is like, not me, it is my character, you know, here, you know, But I mean, I pull it off, you know, but if I need to, I know method acting, but yeah, no, it was not even an option. Like I was like, oh, that is just not me. Even when I had to do the pillow fights and actually I didn't have a pillow fight one, but I had to do luxury stuff. It was just, it wasn't me. It felt, it was very put on. Even one time they had these annual magazines. It was called the Divas magazines. It was like our Swimsuit Illustrated magazine where we'd go down to some exotic looking shoot that. Well, I don't know if those budget cuts or whatever it was or maybe like you said, the horny writers or storylines, but suddenly instead of the annual bikini issue, they wanted a lingerie issue. And I was like, ew. Like I didn't want to do it. And I just like, it felt so silly to me. So like I made this like whole look. It was like sports, like, it was like sports lingerie where I did like, you know, I like, I like did the socks and like made it, you.

[Ryder Strong]

Know what I mean?

[Danielle Fishel]

I made it like athletic, sexy, like I just said, I just, I don't know. So the sexy thing didn't come for me. So when Playboy came on, I was like, absolutely not interested. Vince, oh my God. Hounded me like crazy. Like, he's like, it's great opportunity. And I was shown also during that time that, but look at the opportunity. If you turn this down. So we're going to give your opportunity to her. And I'm like, no, I still don't want to do it. Thank you. And it came to me for years and years and I just was like, no. And I do not regret it. And never. It's just, it's just not my thing. And now, my God, now that I kids and everything, like, I couldn't even imagine, to be honest. So I'm. Yeah, no, that is my decision. Stand by it.

[Will Friedle]

Wow. Was there ever a storyline you remember just flat out saying no to?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, yeah, lots, lots of them. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I had this. I understood that if you were to say no, it was like, say no. But so like, I'd be like, I'm not doing that. But how about we, you know, I wanted to make sure I can get there, but let's do it this way, you know, So I most. I got away with a lot of stuff. If I didn't want to do it, I said no to it and got away with, like, my suggestion or alternative way of approaching the same sort of outcome. But there was one time that I flat out said no. It involved me kissing another girl, and I was like, I don't understand why. No, I don't.

[Ryder Strong]

Nope.

[Will Friedle]

Right. Just.

[Danielle Fishel]

No. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

How does this play into. How does this play into my wrestling story?

[Danielle Fishel]

I don't think my character would do that or myself. So. Yeah, no, I didn't do that. But then I was. I got stripped of the belt right away. Like, literally was shown that this was. You were being punished for your decision. Yeah, like, it was crazy. There were some crazy scenarios where you. Yeah, they were. You know, anyway, I was told, like, I was like, oh, is this happening? Because. Yep, it sure is. And I was like, all right.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh. So they didn't even try to. They didn't even try to hide it. They didn't even try to hide the fact that it was.

[Danielle Fishel]

But there would be people. There's, like, there's so many people backstage. There's all these producers, there's writers, There's. You know, and it kind of, like, I was like, is this happening? Because. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Will Friedle]

Well. Right.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's okay. I still stand by my decision, you know. You know, look, eventually we ended up at WrestleMania in Toronto, so they needed me back to promote it. So, you know, we have talked about.

[Will Friedle]

It so much on this show that, like, from the time you're a kid, if. Depending on. Whenever you start, you learn very quickly that being a team player means doing whatever is asked of you, no matter what the cost to your personal life is or what the cost is to anything, that if you have any sort of boundaries, there will usually be some negative repercussion for it. And, yeah, I mean, I'm. I don't. I'm not. Definitely not surprised that.

[Ryder Strong]

It's super interesting, though, because what. What I'm hearing from. From Trish and from things we heard growing up and stuff like that is it's usually always put to you as if you realize how good this would be for you.

[Will Friedle]

Correct.

[Ryder Strong]

This is for you. I'm really doing this for you. And it's like, if you want to turn down that opportunity, you're just shooting yourself in the foot because.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly.

[Ryder Strong]

This is great for you. And it seems like that's kind of the way to go about it. Like. No, I'm. I'm good. Thanks.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'm glad. Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Opportunity, I suppose.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I get. Yeah, exactly.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Who do you think is the most underrated wrestler you've worked with, male or female?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, wow. Probably Natty Neidhart. I mean, I feel like she's getting her. Her flowers now, and. But I mean. I mean, almost, maybe not. I think if you look at her Instagram, like, damn, this girl's busy. So. Natty has been with this company for so long. I mean, obviously born and bred to be in this business, but she's. She's elevated and helped so many people. She's had. She's been the reason many people have had their best match. You know, she's helped, she's contributed, she's given back, but she's never, ever. She's kind of like the bridesmaid always. You know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

And she's had. You know, she's one. She's been woman's champion. She's had her.

[Ryder Strong]

Her.

[Danielle Fishel]

She's been. She's had her moments for sure. But, like, even in the last little while, like, it's really cool if you guys follow, like, if you go to her Instagram, like, she kind of was like, I'm gonna go do my own thing. And she started, like, creating this new character that was, like, this bad. Like. Like one of those, like, underground fighting chicks, because she can. And it was cool. Like, so people are really resonant, and I'm like, I'm waiting for, like, WWE to be like, oh, that is cool. That's resonating with people, and it's real and authentic, and then bring it to W. And I hope they don't, you know, tarnish it by bringing it to, like, you know, sometimes they commercialize things and make it too. Too shiny. You know, it's like this raw thing she's doing. And, you know, she's just released a book right now, and so she's. She's everywhere, and it's just. It's great to see she's finally kind of getting out there. But I would say, like, in the last little while, she hasn't been the highlighted storylines and things like that. You know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

But she has been the helper, you know, the accessory and, like, you know, people helping the. The talent, which she's happy to do. And she loves that. She actually loves that as well. But she's amazing. And. And her and I, we were like two Canadians going at it. I mean, it's. It would be good.

[Ryder Strong]

Now, wait, not to put you on the Spot. But would you answer the opposite question? Who's the most overrated wrestler?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, oh, gosh, that's. I. That then I have to be mean to someone, I think.

[Ryder Strong]

No, I know. That's what I'm saying. You don't have to answer. I was just curious.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just curious. Me. I think people talk about me way too much. You know, it's like, oh, she's still here. She's doing it for 25 years and she's still amazing. Like, oh, me.

[Will Friedle]

But it would be. It would be nearly impossible to be a wrestler, man or woman, and not have found inspiration in you. I mean, dozens of superstars in 2025 list you as a major inspiration. What is your biggest piece of advice for longevity in this industry for some of the young, up and coming? Talent?

[Danielle Fishel]

Talent. I think I always go. So my new thing has been that this is just a quirky one. But I've always. So now when people say, like. Because now I'm still. I mean, I literally. This is my 25th anniversary this year and I read a week, you know, I looked. I actually have this magazine coming out and they were just putting me on the COVID and they're like, once I did the interview, they're like, this is a 20. Wait, we didn't realize. Like, it's 25 years and you still had three matches this year. Like, that's insane, right? So they turn this crazy now they're like celebrating the 25 years. And so then, so the thing is, when people are like, how are you still doing it? It, like even, you know, talk to someone like Naomi who just. Trinity, who, you know, left, she was women's champion, finally got to the very, very top of the, you know, I mean, you know, she, she's been amazing and contributed so much, and she's finally got the women's championship and then she's going to go have a baby, right? So she, you know, which is yay, amazing. So we had a chat. Like, you know, I hope she's okay with me telling the story. But we had a talk chat, you know, just literally months before that when I was back on the road. And she was like, dude, like, it's so cool that, like, you know, showing that, like, I went out, I went. I had my career, right? So 2000, 2006, had my career. Top of the line, left on top, left as champion. Great went, started businesses, started my family, lived life, traveled, didn't. Wasn't bound to like 300 days of the year schedule that this, you know, it's a Crazy world. It's a crazy schedule. It's not fun. I mean, it's fun, but you cannot, like, I miss a lot of my friends, weddings, babies been born, et cetera, Right? So I got to live my life, and then, lucky me, I got to go back. But, like, that's the cool thing. It used to be, like, a shelf life for the women. Now women are actually having their babies and then bring them on the road and then going and wrestling, you know? So Trinity was like, that's so cool. I love that. Like, I'm like, you go have your babies.

[Will Friedle]

You.

[Danielle Fishel]

There's always room to come back, like, at this day and age. But so my point is, I digress. So my number one thing is do yoga, okay? If you want to be in the business for a long time, if you don't want injuries. I have been in this business for 25 years, and I barely know touch wood. But the injuries have been, you know, not. I haven't been had too many injuries that have sidelined me. So yoga is number one. But I always tell people, just find and stay as authentic as you can find that character. Of course, like, yes, it's over the top. It's. It's very character driven. But when you find that that character that, like, is. Is, you know, rings true with you. Because the fans. There's something about. The fans know, there's that. When there's that authenticity to the character, it resonates with the fans. They can feel it when. When they. When somebody's coming from the heart, even if it's, you know, amplified 25 times. Because we are characters and we're caricatures of ourselves out there. That's when people really feel it, and that's when people say, there's a little je ne sais quoi about it. There's like, I don't know what it is about this person. It's because it's coming from a true place. And that's often with actors, too. Like, you know, how did they pull that role off? And then you hear about the story of, like, I drew from this, you know, so when your character out there is drawing from a true place, it really, really works. And I think that is what I mean. The novelty characters absolutely work as well, but not as. Not as much as the long term. Right. Like, the longevity of your personality and your person in the ring, definitely true and authentic. It goes the longest, for sure.

[Will Friedle]

That's so great. I love that advice about yoga. I'm like, man, I need to be everyone.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, we should all, everybody. I don't know how old you guys, but I'm old. And yoga, it is keeping me young. I'm telling you. Like, it's like I went back and rested. I never. The first match I was like, like, okay, so 20, 23, I went back and I wrestled for six months straight. Did like, it ended up being a six month run, which again, hadn't wrestled in, you know, 100 years. And I had a cage match, which back in my day, unheard of. Right? We don't, we didn't. It wasn't an option for the girls. That's what the boys did. You guys can have a match.

[Will Friedle]

Sure.

[Danielle Fishel]

But cool stuff and like the extreme stuff. I mean, women would. You would die surely if you had a kid.

[Will Friedle]

Of course you could never do it. Yeah, right, right.

[Danielle Fishel]

And so I had a cage match. I was, it was thrill. It was like a bucket list because I know it sounds weird. I want to, to be tossed into like a metal, you know, fence. But it was Danielle can't wait to.

[Will Friedle]

Be thrown through a table as a.

[Danielle Fishel]

Wrestler to come up and do one. Me and Danielle should have a cage match, but like, maybe as teammates. Anyway. But I had the match. The next day I woke up and I thought, oh my God. And I, and I was like, okay, I feel okay. You know, Like I. It's the yoga, like the pliability of your body and all that. So I must need a better.

[Ryder Strong]

I must need a better yoga instructor. Because every time I've tried yoga, it's just a very clever way of hiding 50 push ups. That's what you know. It's like, do downward dog again. It's like, just tell me to do a push up. Just tell me to do a push up. That's all you need to tell me.

[Danielle Fishel]

So then you just have weak biceps. So work on that and then go back to class.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, no, my triceps are weak, but then again, so is the rest of my body. But that, that leads me to a question though. I have a question. So have you had to tailor your performance the older you get? I mean, can you do all the moves now that you were able to do 25 years ago?

[Danielle Fishel]

So the crazy thing is, is I can. So the first time I got called back was, okay, so just for the perspective, 2006 is when I retired. Okay. Which is so long ago. And then 2018 was the first time, like they called me. They're like, we're doing an all women's Royal Rumble and it's the first ever. And we would love you to come back and be in it. And I was like, oh, well, it's been like 11 or whatever. The math is 11 years and I have birthed two children. I was like, I don't think. And I was like, I'm just gonna pull this off. Like, I'm just gonna very minimal things. I'll do my, my greatest hits. You know, I'll do that one thing that I point. And I did the thing and I practiced those four moves. I did it, I did it. But then I was like, I kind of did it though. And it was like, kind of like riding a bike, actually. So then I went back, had another match, 2018, and then 2023, I went back into like a six month run. And my body was like, yeah, this is fine. And then now I like to go back. I love to be like, let me do something that no one's seen me do before. So now, because my body can. I'm trying things that I have never done before. And I'm presenting a whole different repertoire, a whole new move set nowadays. And it's been fun to do that actually, because I like shocking. I just. I did a moonsault for the first time in my entire life. I don't know if you know what that is even, but it's this move that my rival had done and I always took moonsaults my whole life. It's, it's a, it's a move from the top rope and you go backwards and. And she would always give it to me. It was like, Lita was my rival. She my bestie and my rival. And she would just. That's how I dyed every move, every match. And so I was like, I want to do it as like an homage to her. Plus the, the partner that the person that I worked with did a moonsault. So I was doing it as like, I know you. Kind of the psychology there was, I know your moves, I'm going to try your move on you. And I hit my first moonsault in my entire life and it was super fun. The fans were like, what the. Did she just do a moonsault? And so that was fun to just do things. I like those, what the moments. Those are fun, man.

[Will Friedle]

If you could go back in time and tell that med school student but eventual international superstar one thing, what would you tell her?

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, okay. I think there's two things I have to always say, two things, because one is stay true to yourself always. And it's things like saying no to Playboy, being like, just who you are and Being authentic, like, all that is so important and will give you the longevity you need for sure also is enjoy the moment, be in the moment, smell the stop and smell the roses. Like, that whole theory, because, you know, I. Look, I'm lucky that I got to go back and then see it from a different perspective. But back when I was, you know, 22, 24 years old and, you know, in it, I didn't. I wasn't, like, realizing that, oh, my God, I got to travel the world. I went to, like, I've been to every single state. I've been to all these countries, centuries performed in front of, you know, thousands and thousands. But I was in this, like, crazy, you know, 300 days a year ago. It was like a. You know, it was like a frenetic pace where you just didn't stop and really enjoy stuff. And it wasn't until I actually got injured towards the end of my career, which made me end up, you know, eventually. Why I retired. But I went back after I had an injury, and I went back knowing I was gonna retire, and I. That was like, that last leg there was so much great, because I really got a chance to, like, you know, instead of being like, oh, I gotta go on the road. Like, no, it's like, oh, wow, you get to go to. You're gonna be in, you know, Memphis. Go to Graceland. You know, you're there. Go. Go see where Elvis lived. Just, like, do things, enjoy things, and, like, stop and smell the roses. And, like, go out. And, like, when you're in the town used to be like, airports, arenas, hotels. And I was like, no, how about airport? Go check out the sites, then go to the hotel and do your show. You know what I mean? So just enjoying the process a lot more. I. And just being present a lot more. And obviously that's something. Now, as a mom that I'm, you know, I carry over that just being. It's something I'm just. When I'm home, I'm home. When I'm with Mom, with my kids, when I'm mom, I'm Mom. And when I superstar, I'm W. Superstar. So it's important.

[Will Friedle]

Well, you have a brand new magazine cover dropping, and this marks your 113th cover. I mean, Will is just stuck at 104.

[Ryder Strong]

You know, I can't get past it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Because of the girl. That's what it is.

[Ryder Strong]

Well, but again, Ted, I was just gonna say Girth magazine, and that's gonna sound really odd.

[Danielle Fishel]

No, but they went out of publication. That's the Thing about printing, they're digital though, maybe. Could work.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, I'm big on the Internet.

[Danielle Fishel]

Oh, hi.

[Ryder Strong]

Wow, look at you.

[Will Friedle]

It's a Trish 25 special. You helped design it and it details all the year's big WWE moments just in time for the anniversary. And you have a limited number of signed CO [e-mail].

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, it's. I honestly, I look at that picture and I'm still like, damn. Oh, that's me. She cleans up good, mama. Like, it's funny. Like, I, I ever. Even when I didn't want to go back and wrestle, like, I'll wrestle and I'll be like, oh, is it terrible? Let me see the video. I'm like, it's pretty good, huh, guys? And like, when I do those pictures, I'm like, I don't know, is it good? And then I'm like, oh, that's really good.

[Will Friedle]

So, you know, funny, I have also been noticing that with dancing every week, that, like, the way something feels.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

While you're doing it versus the way it actually looks on the outside can be two totally different things. Both in a good way and a bad way. Sometimes you're like, wow, I nailed it. And then you watch a video and you're like, oh, no. Oh, God. And sometimes you're like, oh, that was awful. And then you watch it and you're.

[Danielle Fishel]

Like, hey, okay, okay. Because sometimes. Yeah, because you're in your head too much. Right.

[Will Friedle]

Like, it's like, would you ever be interested in doing Dancing with the Stars?

[Danielle Fishel]

A thousand percent. A thousand percent. I would love to. Do you know why I love challenges? Look, I went into wrestling and I'm like, I know how to throw a clothesline. Can I. Can I do this? And now I'm a seven time champion. You know what I mean? Like, I love challenge. I thrive on challenge. I'm also a really bad dancer. So I'm like, I like that whole, you know, underdog journey thing can apply. Yes, yes, yes.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, well, good.

[Danielle Fishel]

Were you a good dancer when you.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, no, not at all. No. I had zero dance experience. But like, you dance song. I love.

[Danielle Fishel]

I had.

[Will Friedle]

I have rhythm. I. I'm not like completely, you know, it's not like I had two.

[Ryder Strong]

Not like me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. You don't have rhythm. You have no rhythm or. And just girth.

[Ryder Strong]

Right?

[Danielle Fishel]

Exactly.

[Will Friedle]

He talks very highly of himself.

[Ryder Strong]

I do.

[Will Friedle]

I've never. You self hating will.

[Ryder Strong]

I do. But I'll be honest with this entire podcast, everybody just talking about my girth is not going to be a bad thing for my reputation. Let's be totally honest.

[Danielle Fishel]

You know that, like, girthy guy who has, like, rhythm on.

[Ryder Strong]

This is so weird.

[Will Friedle]

This is so weird. Trish, thank you. Thank you so much for being here with us. It's been an absolute pleasure to interview you. I hope to see you at a con again. We took a picture once together. I was like, I have to take a picture with you because, you know.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes, let's do it again.

[Will Friedle]

Wrestling. Yeah. We need. We need to make it happen again.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is like, this is their childhood. Well, we are child. Childhood fantasies, which is kind of cool. That is very cool to picture two first crochet crushes in one picture.

[Will Friedle]

I love it so much. So we hope to see you again soon. Thank you so much for spending your time with us. Congratulations on the COVID and on your anniversary. 25 years. Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

You're excited about me. I'm excited about you.

[Will Friedle]

We're all fans. We're all fans. Thank you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thanks, guys. See you again.

[Ryder Strong]

Bye.

[Will Friedle]

She's truly one of the pioneers of especially women in wrestling being able to do what they're able. I mean, she was. She paved the way. I mean, she's literally one of those people. It would be impossible to be a women's. A women's wrestler. And to not look back and say that Trish Stratus was not one of the reasons, one, you thought you could do this and two, wanted to do it and laid the foundation for.

[Ryder Strong]

It's like the category almost didn't even exist.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, it's exactly right. It didn't. They were like, she said they were valets. They were. They walked the men in. They paraded them around. They were involved in storylines and about who was sleeping with who. But, like, they were not actually doing anything physical.

[Ryder Strong]

It was like a battle of inches, too.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Ryder Strong]

Like, she just has to get like, okay, I'm not going to do the pillow fight. Okay, I'm not going to. And, you know, it gets bigger and bigger until you're finally like, oh, wow, you're a champion. Like, this is a real. I didn't even want to ask what a. What a gravy boat match was, because I already know. I already just know by the title.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

What this. So it's mud wrestling. It's old school mud wrestling. Yeah. It's got to be just them and a big thing of gravy. Like, really, this is. This is what you're doing. But the. I mean, people sometimes underestimate how important it is to be able to look at something and say, I want to do that.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

And it's the people who have nothing to look at first that are the ones that are the true pioneers where it's like, well, I got to create the category. I mean, that's crazy.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Pod Meets World show. You can send us your emails. Pod meets worldshowmail.com and we've got merch.

[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

Matchup we got y'.

[Will Friedle]

All.

[Ryder Strong]

This is that classic HBCU vibe.

[Will Friedle]

None non stop action.

[Danielle Fishel]

The band is rocking and the crowd lit.

[Ryder Strong]

Chance echo drum beat everybody showing that school pride. Game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's a game changer right there.

[Ryder Strong]

Yeah, that taste always hits the right note.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just like the band at halftime.

[Ryder Strong]

And just like that, we're back at it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Passionate fans, school colors everywhere.

[Will Friedle]

And in ice cold Coca Cola, that's.

[Danielle Fishel]

A winning combo no matter the sport.

[Ryder Strong]

No matter the yard.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

On Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. This is an iHeart podcast.