Twitches Too

Summary

Pod Meets World – “Twitches Too” (October 7, 2025)

Hosts: Will Friedle & Sabrina Bryan
Podcast Theme: A nostalgic, funny rewatch and discussion of Disney Channel Original Movies (DCOMs)—in this episode, the hosts break down 2007’s sequel “Twitches Too,” starring Tia and Tamara Mowry.

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Episode Overview

“Spooky season rolls on!” This episode is a magical, irreverent exploration of "Twitches Too," the pop-witch sequel to a 2005 DCOM hit. Will and Sabrina examine the film with their trademark blend of fandom, tongue-in-cheek critique, and behind-the-Disney-curtain insights. They reminisce about Tia and Tamara Mowry, endless DCOM tropes, questionable CGI, plot holes, and their love for all things twin. Through playful banter, they dissect the plot, cast changes, special effects, and give the film a humorous, heartfelt rating—measured in “wedding donkeys.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Legacy and Context of “Twitches Too”

• DCOM status: Released October 12, 2007, as a sequel to "Twitches" (2005).
• Only non-musical DCOM sequel for 15 years.
• Drew nearly 7 million viewers at its debut; aired right before the "Wizards of Waverly Place" premiere.
• Notable for being shot in Toronto's Casa Loma, used in multiple iconic movies.
• Name confusion: Released as "Twitches Too" (not “2”), later sometimes called "Witches of Coventry 2."

  “Why wouldn't it just be Twitches two the whole time?… It definitely wasn’t really necessary.” —Sabrina [05:47]

2. DCOM Queen Energy: Tia & Tamara Mowry

• Hosts’ immense admiration for the Mowry twins and their place in DCOM and “Sister, Sister” fans’ hearts.
• The twins’ performances cited as the best part of both "Twitches" movies.

  “Such great actors. They are such good actors. …I was excited just to see where this one went.” —Sabrina [13:37] “They can command the screen. …They owned it. …They were once again great in this movie.” —Will [77:25]

3. Plot Breakdown and Commentary

• The hosts provide an elaborate, scene-by-scene recap peppered with jokes about the film's logic holes.
• Repeated issues with special effects and budget: $26.5 million budget, but “looked cheesy,” “effects didn’t look great for a budget that big.”

  “$26.5 million… That’s $37 billion now… And I thought it didn’t look that great.” —Will [09:27/10:05]

• Criticism of unclear or unresolved subplots: Who is the real villain? Why does the “shadow” sometimes need to grab, sometimes just float? No follow-throughs on character arcs (Beth/Marcus).
• The twins' magic is inconsistent and plot devices feel repeated or underdeveloped.

  “That’s the only one that… I hated about it because I need to know who’s who. …Now I’ve got, you know, trust issues and all kinds of things.” —Sabrina [79:16]

4. Humor and Memorable Banter

• Twin naming conventions, DCOM recasting, and classic 2000s nostalgia drive the banter.

  “Do you like the two totally unrelated names [for twins]?” —Will [20:41] “Twins, I 100% Tia, Tamara, like all the way. …Karina and Carissa. That is the way to go.” —Sabrina [20:46]

• Recurring riffs on the movie’s “one hallway shadow world,” the problematic love interest Marcus, and the unexplained “wedding donkey.”

  “Why are you just walking around with a golden ball? What’s the golden ball? And why are you ditching said golden ball?” —Will [73:58]

5. Behind-the-Scenes & Cast

• Discussion of cast switch-ups: Jennifer Robertson and David Ingram replaced in their roles.
• Director Stuart Gillard (“Full Court Miracle”, “Hatching Pete”, “Going to the Mat”) and long-term DCOM writer Dan Berendsen (“Hannah Montana: The Movie,” “Camp Rock 2”).
• Noted Patrick Fabian (“Better Call Saul”) as a memorable villain, though underutilized.

6. Easter Eggs & Fun Details

• Waverly University as a nod to “Wizards of Waverly Place.”
• Secret inclusion of a Cheetah Girls song (“Bring It On”) during Alex’s first day at college montage.

  “I’m literally watching it and I was like, ‘Hey, I’m singing!’ That’s me.” —Sabrina [75:23]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [09:27]: “These effects didn’t look great to me. But they cranked up the budget, so it wasn’t cheap. …That’s $37 billion now...” —Will
• [13:37]: “Yes, anything with the two of them in, I’m on board because… such great actors.” —Sabrina
• [22:30]: “How is the entire shadow world one small hallway?” —Will
• [46:40]: “That felt like one of the top five most awkward DCOM moments ever… she was like ‘yeah, no, I’m good.’” —Will
• [56:40]: “They finally connect and the transfer is complete because the spell literally is just her saying, ‘I give you everything.’ That’s the whole spell?” —Will
• [61:03]: “It appears that the woman with the donkey is dating the donkey. Am I wrong?” —Will
• [79:16]: “I need, as a viewer, need to know because now I'm confused. ...Now I've got, you know, trust issues and all kinds of things that are just coming out of all the woodwork.” —Sabrina

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Ratings & Final Thoughts

The “Wedding Donkey” Scale

• Will: 5.5/10 Wedding Donkeys

  “Twins save it a bit… The first one was better. The special effects were not special… They tied up no storylines. Nothing made any sense.” [77:25]

• Sabrina: 6/10 Wedding Donkeys

  “So many questions and holes and things that never meant anything. …The biggest hang up for me was there not being any distinguishing to where at least we as an audience could have told—could think back and know what Shadow was who.” [79:16]

Overall Episode Energy

The tone is nostalgic, irreverent, and affectionate. Both hosts clearly love the spirit and legacy of “Twitches,” even as they roast its plot holes and missed opportunities. Their camaraderie and knowledge of DCOM history make for a hilarious, fan-pleasing breakdown.

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Highlighted Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment / Quote | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 05:47 | Title confusion: “Witches of Coventry 2” debate | | 09:27 | Special effects vs. budget criticism | | 13:37 | Mowry twins’ nostalgia & acting praise | | 20:46 | Twin naming conventions discussion | | 22:30 | “Shadow world is one small hallway” | | 46:40 | Awkward “call me dad” moment | | 56:40 | Magic spell logic poked fun at | | 61:03 | “Wedding donkey” subplot confusion | | 75:23 | Secret Cheetah Girls song spotting | | 77:25 | Will’s rating and summary | | 79:16 | Sabrina’s rating & unwrapped plot frustration |

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Conclusion

This episode of “Pod Meets World” delivers a magical (and somewhat mystified) analysis of "Twitches Too," blending genuine DCOM fandom, sharp humor, and exasperated love for the Mowry twins. Listeners get an in-depth plot recap, industry trivia, quotable one-liners, and a playful look at one of Disney Channel’s goofiest sequels. Even though “Twitches Too” leaves much unresolved, the hosts’ wit, warmth, and nostalgia will make you want to revisit Coventry—with or without a wedding donkey.

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Next up: The hosts tease their “Zendaya era” with “Zapped” (2014), and an upcoming interview with Disney royalty David Henrie (of “Wizards of Waverly Place”).

Transcript

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[Sabrina Bryant]

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[Will Friedle]

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[Sabrina Bryant]

I believe so. Somewhere. No, no, no, no, no, no. It was like five something.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, it is 1.1 million, right?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh, my gosh. In a matter of what, three months?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I mean, what, 1.1 million followers now on Instagram for our Freya sky check.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Good for her because she's amazing.

[Will Friedle]

I think from now on, by the way, I'm sorry, but I am going to be calling this little segment we do Sky News.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Sky News.

[Will Friedle]

Thank you very much. So that is the new segment that we're doing and The Sky News Update is now 1.1 million. You called it. You totally called it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh, yeah. But she got a chance to do the best thing in the world, which is actually get up on stage, do these songs that these fans are so in love with.

[Will Friedle]

How did we not go?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Cause it was literally right after the premiere and you were bonkers with your schedule and I was, like, tired. I mean, I did a press conference and, like, I never get out ever.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that. Okay. I can't believe we missed that, though. That seems like one we should have gone to.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I'm sure. It was so amazing. We will have a chance to do it again. They will bring it up.

[Will Friedle]

We'll put it on ourselves. I'll do all the descendant songs, you do all the zombie songs, and we'll go from there. You do all the dancing. I'll just sit in a chair and badly sing and we'll see if we can sell out.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And also judge, because that's what your other one of your other podcast is doing. Now you're a professional dance judge.

[Will Friedle]

So there you go. You become pretty damn good at it. If. If I'm good. Thank you. Have you been listening to Pod Meet Squirrels? I have.

[Sabrina Bryant]

You're hilarious.

[Will Friedle]

Are we right?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I mean, yes, but like, no. Like, it's like, yeah, but okay, but.

[Will Friedle]

I think we're 100%.

[Sabrina Bryant]

It's so funny. It's so funny.

[Will Friedle]

We're having fun. But anyway, welcome back to this podcast. But just magical rewind the show that makes you want to grab your friends, your PJs and your popcorn and go back to a time when all the Hausers are smart. The wave tsunamis, and Ms. Sky only had 300,000 followers. I'm Will Friedle.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And I'm Sabrina Bryant.

[Will Friedle]

Well, everybody, spooky season rolls on, but this week we're not only focusing on the scares, we're checking out a sequel. Yes, it's 2007. Spellbinding follow up to a DCOM favorite. It's Twitch's 2 Electric Boogaloo. Oh, my God, I wish that was the name. It's not. It's just Twitch's 2. But let's not get it twisted. That is spelled T o O, not T wo or the number two. It's Twitch's also essentially is what the title means. This movie aired on October 12, 2007, and its proximity to Halloween should come as no surprise. It's the Witch and Black Magic focus sequel to 2005's Twitches and was the only this is kind of amazing. The only non musical dcom sequel for 15 years until they eventually aired under wraps. 2. This time it's personal. In 2022, Twitch's 2 was also later referred to as the Witches of Coventry 2 for reasons I couldn't really figure out. Sabrina, any theories on why it would later get a name change? Is it because it still rhymes with what? I don't. Why do you think it is?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Well, I mean, Coventry is where they're from, right? So they were like, defending. We're in a movie where they're defending the Coventry again. So I guess that's what it is. That would be my take at it.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Why wouldn't it just be Twitches two the whole time? I don't know.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I don't know. It definitely wasn't really necessary. It doesn't like, you know, it didn't.

[Will Friedle]

Add to anything or.

[Sabrina Bryant]

No, there was Nothing missing with twitches 2 in any sense, Right?

[Will Friedle]

Correct. But no matter the title, it was a big hit for the channel, drawing in just under 7 million viewers on its first run and marking the debut of a little show called Wizards of Waverly Place. Yes, that's right. The eventual seminal TV show premiered its pilot right after this movie aired, forever changing what was to come for Disney especially. Who came to the eventual face of the network? Somebody who I've been doing some research on. Her name is Selena gomezi if I'm pronouncing it right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

No, no.

[Will Friedle]

Am I not? We must.

[Sabrina Bryant]

We must.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, is it Selena Gomez?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Is that what it is? She is amongst the royalty. Mount Rushmore. She is a giant for the channel. Selena Gomez. And, ugh, she's not just the cutest thing in the world. And now just the most gorgeous woman with st. Such a great calling for all things talent and, like, humanitarian.

[Will Friedle]

Right? Is she the one in Murders in the Building?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I am obsessed with her.

[Will Friedle]

You are? Is she the murders in the Building one?

[Sabrina Bryant]

She is.

[Will Friedle]

She is. Okay.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes, she is. And she kills it. She's so good. So good.

[Will Friedle]

She just got married too, apparently.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Did she? Oh, well, I missed that. I guess I'm not the biggest.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, you're apparently not that obsessed.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Michaela's over there shaking her head at me. I could feel it through this. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

This weekend she got married. Yeah. Yep. Okay, well, congratulations.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Now, usually in dcom sequels, Disney uses their big legal department to make sure all the original stars return. But with Twitch's 2, that was not the case. Eventual Schitt's Creek star Jennifer Robinson, who played Elena in the first film was replaced by Leslie Seiler. I think that's how you say her name. Or Seiler. And David Ingram did not return as Aaron, instead replaced by Kevin Jubenville. So our two kind of favorite characters from the first one that we loved, they replaced both the actors. Wonder why they filmed the movie in Toronto, or Toronto, as you say it, if you're from there. A very predictable location for adcom. And they utilize one of Toronto's most famous spots, Casa Loma. It's a Gothic revival castle that is a landmark in Canada and was once the residence of financier Sir Henry Pellitt. You may have even recognized it from movies like X Men, Strange Brew, which is one of the greatest movies of all time. If you haven't seen it. Sabrina, we need to talk. Scott Pilgrim, the Tuck and the music video for Drake and Future Song. Wait for your. I don't know what any of those last words mean. This also ushered in a bit of a new era for dcoms when it comes to special effects. We will get into that. Twitch's 2 utilized a lot of green screen in special effects, which is something that we are very used to now, obviously, with Zombies and Descendants. But this was one of their first real moves towards that. Much more than the original Twitches. Did you notice they did a lot of effects?

[Sabrina Bryant]

They did a lot of.

[Will Friedle]

Did you like them?

[Sabrina Bryant]

No.

[Will Friedle]

No. I didn't either. I thought they looked really cheesy.

[Sabrina Bryant]

This. You know, again, it's hard because we are bouncing all over the spectrum of these dcoms and after seeing so many things that we've seen now, going back to that, and it's like, oh, man. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. They might have been totally cutting edge for 2007, but I just can't remember.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I mean, not. Not really because of. That was like, after the days of. I mean, maybe for the channel, but you're talking, like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. You're talking about, like, eras of, like, vampires and different special effects, even just, like, kind of makeup stuff. There was nothing like that. But I feel like cosmetics might have been a little bit cheaper and more effective.

[Will Friedle]

Better maybe, because I thought just a lot of it didn't look great to me. I just really didn't. And that's one of the things that's amazing to me because these effects didn't look great to me. But they cranked up the budget, so it wasn't cheap. So the research we were able to do, the reported budget for this movie in 2007, a decom was $26.5 million, which is a massive investment for the channel, especially in 2007. That's $37 billion now, or whatever the hell that would be in. In today's dollars. But that's ridiculous.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Huge.

[Will Friedle]

And I thought it didn't look that great for a budget that big.

[Sabrina Bryant]

No, but I mean, you've got the twins in it. They are. Talk about DCOM royalty. I mean, you've got Mount Rushmore, so. Yes. It's like, you know, I feel like for them to get them to jump on board to do a second one, they were gonna have to push up this budget, you know.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Didn't look great. Didn't translate like you would.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. You wonder where it went.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But, you know, this was. This was again, not a lot of magic. I mean, at this point in 2007, what did we have? Halloween down.

[Will Friedle]

Yes.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And any. I mean, well, and then we had the movie that we just watched recently with the bubbles that were flying in the air.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God. Bubble movie.

[Sabrina Bryant]

So, I mean, I'm just calling that.

[Will Friedle]

Weird bubble movie from now on.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, there wasn't. It just doesn't seem like the channel was able to. Had honed this kind of aspect in within their actual dcoms just yet, so.

[Will Friedle]

Agreed. So we knew of Twitch's 2, considering we mentioned it during Twitch's 1. But were you excited about seeing the second chapter? A and then sub question. Did you remember anything from the first movie before you turned this one on?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay, I did remember the first movie. I specifically remembered the necklace because I had a lot to say about the necklaces in the first one. And they're back.

[Will Friedle]

Yep, they are. Giant necklaces are back.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Giant normous necklaces are back. I remember that. That's how they came together. I couldn't remember where. I remember the storyline where we see again the mom and the dad that had raised one of the twins, but I couldn't remember where the other twin came from. That's when that was tripping me up in the beginning. A little bit of not really remembering her storyline of who raised her and where she was coming from. There are a lot of questions, though, as I kept going through the movie going, wait, what? Wait a minute. Okay.

[Will Friedle]

I was the same way, by the way. I remembered. I remembered enough of the movie that by the time this movie started and they did the very mini recap, then I was right back on board. Like, I was like, okay, I remember everything about the first movie now because.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Which is so.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And I don't remember one thing. I couldn't really really remember. And of course, when you kind of go just back and look at pictures, I feel like the twins never age. But how they. They seem to have aged out of the first movie pretty drastically because we're now, like, kind of more like.

[Will Friedle]

They're supposed to be 21 now.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, they're, like, in college. They're. They're not going to high school if that was supposed to be a high school that they.

[Will Friedle]

No, no, no, that was college. Yeah, no, that was college. They're supposed to be 21.

[Sabrina Bryant]

They've definitely had, like, an age thing with the twins, so. And their characters, but I couldn't really remember. Were they in high school? The first one? Were they, like, quite a few years younger?

[Will Friedle]

No, no, I think she was still in college, wasn't she?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I don't remember.

[Will Friedle]

I think Tamara was in college.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Tamara's character was in college and Tia's wasn't. Oh, God. See, this is why we need to watch the first one again. Anyway, this is one of our problems, but this is one of our problems is that we do the sequel so.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Separate, far away from each other.

[Will Friedle]

Like I was thinking today, I was like, have we done Xenon 2 yet? And we haven't. And I'm gonna have to go back and watch Xenon 1 because I don't remember anything from Xenon 1 other the fact that she's like an alien or whatever. So. Yeah. Like, we gotta figure. I gotta. I know. You know what I mean? She lives on the space station.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So, you know, it's like, ye. Yeah. Maybe we got to start watching these closer to each other. But I like spacing them out. But then I don't remember what. That. What the hell, right?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, but I. But to answer your question. Yes, anything with the two of them in, I'm on board because they were. They talk about nostalgia. Talk about just good. Such great actors. They were. They are such. Such good actors. And for me, like, a huge part of my childhood was watching them grow up on Sister. Sister.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

You know, So I was excited just to see where this one. Where this one went. And then, you know, I hit some bumps the way and then find myself back.

[Will Friedle]

Let's talk about it back in the love Nest.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But we're fine.

[Will Friedle]

Let's talk about it. Let's first remember that it's almost time for the solar eclipse, so get ready to free your dad from the shadows. But first, the synopsis. Twin witches Alex and Cameron return to Coventry to strengthen their magical powers and protect their kingdom. But when an old evil force reemerges, they must learn to trust each other and save both worlds. The movie is directed by Stuart Gillard, a very interesting name in the lexicon of dcoms. We've talked about the Canadian writer, producer and actor before. He directed Full Court, Miracle, Hatching Pete, the Return of Shaggy Dog, the original Twitches, but most notably he made Going to the Mat, so he's got some great ones in his resume there. He would later go on to work on Teenage mutant Ninja Turtles 3 and TV shows like Charmed, One Tree Hill, 90210 and Jane the Virgin. Like the original, the movie stars the legendary Mowry twins, Tia and Tamara, best known for their sitcom Sister Sister. They both also appeared in movies like Hot Chick and a reality show about their family from 2011 to 2013, which I did not know exist. They would eventually separate into individual performers. Tia now focusing on cooking projects while also voicing Sasha in All Things Bratz. While you've seen Tamara on the talk show the Real and as a regular on the Hallmark Channel, Kristen Wilson returns as Miranda. She played Lisa Doolittle in the Eddie Murphy version of Dr. Dolittle and appeared in movies like Bulletproof and Walking Tall. It seems she left the business in 2011. And then Patrick Fabian, old friend of mine, is the villain Thanos, a well known character actor. He's been seen in tons of TV shows including Tracker, Lucifer and the Newsroom, but most of our listeners will recognize him as Howard Hamlin in the Breaking Bad spinoff better Call Saul. He was also on Friends. He's done everything and he and I did a pilot together. He's a very, very nice, nice guy. And the movie runs. Oh, I just need a moment people. A very, very impressive 83 minutes. Wow. I'm not sure I've ever been this proud of a film. It's well below the target. Seven minutes under 90 in fact, and just an overall breeze to watch. I've had longer messages, so kudos to those who made this decision.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That's our boy, Stu. I feel like when we have his movies, they are always under the mark. Very rarely has any of his movies been over the 90 mark.

[Will Friedle]

It's like, here you go, here's a movie. It's 80 minutes long, brilliant. And the movie was written by another familiar named Dan Baronson. He was a writer and executive producer of Sabrina the Teenage Witch and wrote a plethora of great dcoms. Here's the list again, people. Camp Rock 2, Hannah Montana, the movie, the Wizards of Waverly Place movie and Eddie's Million Dollar Cook Off. Dude, just play baseball and cook. You can do them both.

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[Will Friedle]

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[Sabrina Bryant]

Twins I 100% Tia, Tamara, like all the way. I've got twins friends that are Mina and Marina, Karina and Carissa. That is the way to go with twins. In my full blown opinion. I grew up with really crazy. Makes it really hard. You're constantly being called the wrong name, I'm sure. Oh yeah, but whatever. You're twins. You have a luxury.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I. I grew up with two twins born on Christmas day. Holly and Noelle.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh my God.

[Will Friedle]

Very nice. I'm gonna forget that for as long as I live.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That's so cute.

[Will Friedle]

Never forget that I dated Noelle. My friend dated Hollywood. Oh yeah? Well, we were in the fifth grade, so it was very serious. Back to the origin. Here the twins were separated and hidden in another dimension. And then 21 years later, the sisters literally run into each other and return to their homeland of Coventry, where they defeated their evil Uncle Thanos after destroying darkness forever. A large optimistic claim on their part. They met their mom and everything seemed hunky dory until they needed a sequel and then the dory was no longer honky. So we jump to present day Cameron and Alex's mom, the queen Miranda, is on the castle balcony, seemingly stressed about something. She picks up a bound hardcover book and looks at it, and it's a painted portrait of Thanos, but it's not. It's actually her deceased husband. She admits she misses him, then leaves. Once in the hallways, we see she's being followed by a ghost of sorts. A spirit shadow that whispers her name. Though she doesn't see the apparition, she seems scared. She tries to lock herself in her quarters, but little does she know, the spirit has already entered. And here's where I was. My fantasy brain went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. How is the entire shadow world one small hallway?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes, that's it.

[Will Friedle]

It's one hallway that's eight feet long. Is the shadow world really? This is what we get for $27 million?

[Sabrina Bryant]

This is the start of the special effects, too. I mean, besides the, like, green screened, you know, kind of castle type thing.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

This is the start where you see what the shadow is and you're going, I have to pretend like that looks like anything real. And it's the start of something that I'm gonna have to just repeat myself. When it comes to, Sabrina sees the amount of times these people are alone and ask, is anyone there? This is when we get the first one. Yes, Miranda. Those squeaks are like. It's like turn and run. Hello.

[Will Friedle]

Well, don't they also. Is there times when they're saying their names, it's going like, Miranda. And she's like, is anyone there? Well, of. It's saying your name in the one hallway. Go.

[Sabrina Bryant]

The answer is, start sprinting as fast as you can to wherever type of safety you have. Don't ask about who's there. Who cares?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Is there also a reason why the only way to get to your office is through the shadow world? Like the hallway, it connects to his office. That's.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But, yeah, but it seems like this is a part of the castle. It's like the west wing in Beauty and the Beast that, like, you do not go into anymore. It's not really a part. Miranda seems to only be the one that goes in there.

[Will Friedle]

You know, officially, build another hallway. Build another hallway to get you to the office. You shouldn't have to go through the nine foot shadow world to get to your office. It just seems strange. Anyway.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh, man. Oh, Michaela's saying that this movie scared her. Watching it was different this time.

[Will Friedle]

I should hope so. Well, I hope it scared her because the effects are so bad, she's like, this is scary how they spent all this money and I can't tell where it went. But yes, again, Tia and Tamara, they save it because they're great. Anyway, she doesn't see the apparition, seems scared, locks herself in the quarters. But spirit's already entered the room. And now we're back on Earth. Cameron is eating a chef prepared breakfast in her large mansion with her parents. She didn't get a lot of sleep because her sister Alex, who she's just reunited with, was up all night stressing about college and drawing images that look like they're from the castle. And this is when I remembered, like, oh, that's right, she draws stuff. And all the stuff comes true that she draws or the stories that she tells. Her mom encourages her to give it some time to settle in, especially since she's just learning magic with a lot of mistakes along the way. She's also been getting some visions and she knows something has felt very wrong lately. Now we're in Alex's bedroom. She's still asleep when a shadowy fog like the one she saw before seeps into her room. We see a hand form from it. It's about to grab her. And do what? Who knows? And also, why does it have to grab her? Because it just floats through other people and then takes over their bodies. So why not just float into her to take over her body body? Why does it have to grab her? But okay, so yeah, that's when Cameron enters the room, scaring the hand with a scream. Cameron uses magic to flip up her sister's cot, trapping her against the wall, but saving her from the weird hand force. The bed eventually falls back down and the sisters are at each other's throats. Cameron swears that she saw something. In retaliation, Alex turns her sister blue, much like what was her name? Violet Beauregard in Willy Morgan Chocolate Factory. And Cameron responds by giving her sister a chance tail. As they argue, their parents watch on, confused on what to do. But her dad spots a shadowy figure running in the hallway, but thinks it's just his eyes playing tricks on him. And now we're back at breakfast. Emil. This family apparently loves eating because that's all they eat the entire movie. It's just breakfast, breakfast, breakfast, breakfast, breakfast. Alex thinks. Alex thanks everyone for letting her stay while she goes back to school or tries to get into college. And despite this new life for Alex, she continues to bicker back and forth with Cameron. But before they can really fight, we hear a splash. Something huge Touched down in their pool. And lo and behold, it's Karsha and Alina, the fast talking guardian angels who looked after the twins in Twitch's one. And despite some pretty terrible green screen, it was nice to see them again, don't you think, Sabrina?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes, they were.

[Will Friedle]

Even though she was different, but she's different. I mean, the woman from Schitt's Creek was hysterical.

[Sabrina Bryant]

So funny. Yeah, so funny. But you know, I feel like that. I feel like. I mean, I know we talked about it in the intro, but it does seem like that happens like pretty easily in a lot of the either dcoms or the shows. Like they come back and they've been recast.

[Will Friedle]

I think Disney is famous for if somebody says, hey, we're doing a sequel, I'd like a little bit of a raise. And it's not Tia and Tamara and it's not somebody who's integral to the story. They go, nah, we'll replace you. Yeah, I think that's. They just. It's like, hey, we're making movies for 12 year olds. A lot of them are not gonna recognize the fact that this person is.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Different or you give them like a really quick storyline. So. And so had to go do this for a summer school program. Okay, cool.

[Will Friedle]

And that's it. And then you're done. And that's what happened. So. Yeah, that's. That's where we get it. It's also, if you watch them the. This scene back, it looks very much like they reversed the footage. So they probably stood at the end of the. The pool, shook it out and then jumped into the water and then they reverse it to look like they jump out of the pool.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, that happens a lot. I feel like it does.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. That's a big.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That's a big thing with the magic with the vases and stuff. That's how it looks like they did all that.

[Will Friedle]

They broke a lot of vases with magic. I hate to be a vase or a vase if there's magic about it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Was 100% always a vase. Yeah, always.

[Will Friedle]

Really weird, right? Yes. Strange. Well, the whole family's excited to see them. So they run out to greet them with pancakes because. Still eating breakfast. And Karsha and Alina announce they're getting married. A guardian angel union. And they want the girls there for the wedding. And while celebrating, Car spots Cameron's sketchbook and is visibly worried. He notices their father's family crest. Alex also admits she's been dreaming about him every night. But Aaron died the night the twins were born. So maybe these girls are just going crazy. This is also the first time the girls hear their dad is dead, so that was a cool way to find out. Also, they're visiting the girls because their mom would like to see them pronto. Alex is not excited about this trip. She has college to attend, so she just leaves. While Cameron, on the other hand, is excited for the royal title that awaits her. Now we're at Coventry. Miranda hugs Cameron, relieved to see she's safe and ready to secure the castle, but won't explain why with Alex starting college, they have to make do without her. But with that, Cameron is taken away to change and meet with Alina to start some sort of magic spell tutoring, which she needs. But once Cameron is gone, the angels are not very happy with the queen with how much she's sugarcoating the castle's problems. They know that something evil is moving through the ship Shadowlands, which again is that very small hallway. And they think it's Thanos, that he's still alive. And if he regains human form, he will go after the twins first. Just stay out of that hallway. And now we're at Waverly University for Alex's first day. She's trying to find her way around campus, but despite upbeat pop music, she's lost and still being followed by that same black smoke. She's stopped by a guy who thinks he knows her, which is very confusing for Alex. He says he's surprised to see her new haircut and though she pretends to know him, she has no clue who she is. But he. But he does call her Cam, so that's not right. And then Beth walks up a friend from the first movie. She also thinks this is Cameron at first, but realizes quickly that it's Alex. Also, that guy was Cameron's ex boyfriend, Marcus Warburton. Great dcom name, by the way. Marcus Warburton. It's been a minute since we've added a good name to the dcom list. I don't know if this one makes the cut for the dcom list. Best name?

[Sabrina Bryant]

No, but it's good one.

[Will Friedle]

But it's a solid name. Marcus Warburton. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely good. Well, it seems Cameron broke up with Marcus Warburton two weeks ago. And by the way, it's all I'm going to call him as Marcus. I'm using his whole name every time. And they don't talk anymore. But we can tell Alex thinks he's hot. And Beth promises not to tell Cameron anything about this. But that's a Total lie. Because she immediately texts her every single detail. Good friend, that's what you're supposed to do. Meanwhile, Cameron is getting fitted for a princess dress and tiara, which I think everyone should wear all the time, back at the castle and she stumbles on a magic book and tries one of its spells, making some again. Flowers in a vase or vase levitate, then fly at rocket speed towards the door. Luckily, it's caught by another cute boy, Dimitri, who hands it back to Cameron. She drops it then breaking it into pieces. Because she's so taken with his looks, he advises her to stop trying so hard, advice most people in the world could follow. And he alludes that he's a prince. She leaves to find Alina, taking a magic book and stumbling along the way. Did you know this guy wasn't a prince right away? Of course, of course. Like, this was not secret, right?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, I feel like we would have known. Like, I don't know, it just made. It wasn't obvious.

[Will Friedle]

I agree. It was not a good red herring. But once she's gone, Felix, another suited guy walks in. He's disturbed by what he overheard. Dimitri is in fact not a prince. Wait, what? And he has no magical powers. He actually works in the kitchen. We are back at the college now. Marcus. I'm saying his whole name again. Marcus Warburton finds Alex. Beth told him it's Cam's sister, but that doesn't stop him from just cutting to the chase and asking her out. Even though he just dated her identical twin. A, may I have that kind of confidence to just ask out my ex girlfriend's twin sister? But B, doesn't that kind of make him creepy right off the bat that you're asking out your ex's twin sister?

[Sabrina Bryant]

They're not just like twins. Like somewhat look like either they're identical. Like, there's only one thing that is different, right? One has like a mole.

[Will Friedle]

The birthmark. That's it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

A birthmark.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that's Tamara.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That is it. And so, yes, it's weird and creepy and yeah, I agree. So I. And I. I love the way they played it for her too. Like she kind of had the ick.

[Will Friedle]

Like, you're cute but ill. Yeah, that was my sister. Yeah, it should be.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

Alex says it's a terrible idea, which it is. So Marcus Warburton tries to sugarcoat it by saying they broke up because they didn't have much in common. Which does not in fact make it any better. Alex leaves Marcus Warburton behind and he's immediately overtaken by the black fog shadow. He responds by asking Alice if he can walk her home. She agrees, but something's up. So the black shadow can just go through you and take over your body. So why did it need a hand with the. The sister? I don't know know.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I didn't understand what was. Was it. Do you feel like it was just to let us know that it is in fact taking over people's bodies because nothing happens.

[Will Friedle]

Keep going.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Cuz nothing comes of this. Like he. The. The shadow already knows where she. They live right in this realm. So he didn't need to go. But it wasn't like that's how he was figuring out where they live. You know what I mean? I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

Nothing happens with the entire Marcus Warburton storyline. No, because literally at the end, you don't know. Like who is this guy dating now? Like, none of this makes any. We'll get into. We'll get into that. So yes, we now go back to the castle where we rejoin Cameron, now with half of her body stuck in a wall. A spell has gone horribly wrong and she's crying for help. She's eventually helped by Karsh and Alina, but the duo can't stay long. They're off to deal with a looming force on Earth. And now, alone and out of the wall, Cameron roams the hallways, spooked by a mysterious door opening all by itself. She enters with the butler friend of Dimitri, Felix following close behind. It all leads to a big spiral staircase where the black fog attacks Felix and then continues for Cameron. She eventually lands in a big room filled with gargoyles and a large, very deep well. That's obviously the large, very deep well room. And as she gazes into it, the black fog creeps in and grows a hand again, occasionally just growing a hand. But instead of pushing her in, it drops a gold ring engraved with a moon which we recognize as her father's crest. Meanwhile, Alex is doing schoolwork when she hears a mysterious voice whisper. Artemis and even weirder Marcus, who remember might be possessed, is just staring at the house from across the street. This is exactly what you're talking about. None of this pays off in any way, shape or form. Does. Does anything with the black fog taking people over have anything to do with anything? Except maybe later with the dad at the very end.

[Sabrina Bryant]

At the very end. But really, no, no, no. It doesn't really like control them to where they cause chaos in any sense with the shadow consuming their body. Nothing. It's just again, I don't Know what? It was just to let us know that the uncle was there, I guess.

[Will Friedle]

Right? Yeah, I know. It just doesn't pay off. It just doesn't pay off in any way, shape or form. It was about this time where I was like, huh? Man, I should watch going to the Mad game again. Anyway, that is when Cameron returns home through the portal, which is in the closet. Of course she has the ring, but is now more concerned about the whole Marcus situation. I won't say his name the whole time. Which is right, because her ex now wants to date her twin, and that seems very, very Jerry Springer. But the ring is important. Alex thinks it's another sign that their dad is still alive. She knows he's trapped in a place called the Shadowlands. And so they go and tell Miranda. But a storm takes over their room. Slamming doors shut with large gusts of wind. It's Karsha and Alina entering with bad news. Thanos is back. So the girls rush back to Coventry, confused. How is he alive? Miranda explains that apparently whatever was left of him clung to life in the Shadowlands. The girls shoot each other a look. This is where they think their dad is, too. Miranda reveals she felt a dark presence in the castle lately. And once Felix was attacked, she knew she was onto something. She thinks it's Thanos hopping dimensions and hopes they're not too late to stop him from regaining his human form. The girls are told they are the only ones that can stop him, and so they were the only ones that could do it in the first place. Now they're only ones that can do it again. It seems like with all the magic in the land, the fact that these two young twitches, it's like it's all on them. And they even point that out at one point. They're like, hey, maybe we could get some help from you and, like, our guardians and everyone around us with magic. You think? Yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

You're just like, yeah, why are we leaving this up? The, like, ultimate of saving the entire realm, or whatever this place is called, is left on the shoulders of two Ding dongs that don't know what they're doing.

[Will Friedle]

Two rookies who literally can't clean up the kitchen.

[Sabrina Bryant]

It's like when I left my friend with Ledger and she was like, you left a rookie for dinner time and you gave me rice. Why'd you give me rice with Ledger? All he did was just throw it everywhere.

[Will Friedle]

Of course. See?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Totally bad.

[Will Friedle]

Smart.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Totally bad move on my part.

[Will Friedle]

I get it, I get it. One of my favorite jokes of all time is from Mitch Hedberg, who said, I love rice. It's great when you're hungry and want 2000 of something. Great joke. Miranda says that in two days, there will be a solar eclipse, which means the girls will be more powerful than ever, apparently. So they'll need to perform the Vanquishing Spell to destroy everything in the Shadowlands, which they realize will also kill their dad, which they think is there, but. But maybe that's just a nice way to clean up that one hallway, which is apparently all of the Shadowlands. Miranda is shocked to hear they think Eren is alive and insists even with the ring they found, their dad is dead. She searched for years and she believes all these signs are just the evil work of Thanos. Karsh and Alina are instructed to teach the girls the Vanquishing Spell. But when the girls try to perform it, they completely flub it, charring Karsh and Alina like a broken barbecue. Once the sisters get it together, they bust out a signature Go Twitch's dance, only broken up when Cameron spots Dimitri, who ran by holding a giant golden ball. For some reason, even though she's shouting at him, he won't stop. He eventually does stop and continues the facade that he's a prince, even though he has to dodge anything regarding performing magic. He asks out Cameron and she screams yes. A nearby Carson Lena then order tea and sandwiches from him, revealing he really just works in the kitchen. They actually treat him like kind of a dick. He admits he's not a prince and walks off humiliated. But Alex chases after him. He begs her not to get him into trouble, but she makes him feel better about everything. You gotta do what you gotta do. She encourages him to keep going for Cameron, because it's obvious she likes him and it's not like dating her twin or anything like that. Which is what Marcus Welby, MD is up to, by the way. You never get a good Marcus Welby, M.D. you don't even know what that is, do you?

[Sabrina Bryant]

No.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. There you go. There was a show. I think it's called Marcus Welby MD back in, like the 70s. Yeah. Anyway, this is me and what I know about. I don't know about this Selena Gomez and the marriages, but you talk about Marcus Welby, MD. And I'll be there. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. Yes. But Dimitri does have a favor to ask. He wants to borrow some magic. He wants to do something special for Cameron. And when she agrees, we also hear Demetri scream a concerned Karsha and Alina run in and Cameron accuses the boy of being Thantos. So she trapped him in a teapot. She thinks since he doesn't have magic, she can't trust him. She thought everyone in the castle had magic, but that's not the case. Miranda made it. This Miranda, who I'm starting to like less and less, I'll be honest with you, seriously made it so only the royals and the protectors can have magic. She took it from everybody else. This idea infuriates Cameron and rightly so. And so, of course, we go back to the college campus. Cameron pulls up in her convertible Portia, and finds Beth, who's happy to see her real life friend again. Alex is in the cafeteria with Marcus studying. So that rat Beth snitches her out yet again. Again. And then we get a little switcheroo scene here. So let me see if I can explain this correctly. Try to follow me. Alex leaves Marcus. So Cameron uses magic to change into Alex's clothes and take her place at the table. And also notice. Covered her. So I. Okay. I wondered when they did the old switcheroo, why didn't. Why they didn't have them just playing themselves, you know what I mean? Like, why didn't Tia keep playing? But it wasn't. They covered her birthmark with. With makeup up. And so she's playing her sister. Playing herself.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Yikes. Okay. So. Yes.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But I feel like they. They have to.

[Will Friedle]

I like that they did that. I frankly like that they did that.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I feel like they'd have to because if. If. Especially if you're someone like me who watched their show so much, they were never doing that. They were never doing like, what a normal twin thing when they're younger, like on and Full House and stuff.

[Will Friedle]

Like.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Right. They were always playing themselves in their show. And I feel like, especially if I'd watched this closer to when I was watching the show. Show, you'd probably notice. I think they act very differently. I think they've got big differences. You know what I mean?

[Will Friedle]

I do too.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And so I feel like you would notice. That'd be crazy.

[Will Friedle]

I also like the idea that they had that's like, I'm gonna dress her up like my twin and I'm gonna pay. So. But it was. It was. Yeah. It's confusing.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I'm sure it was fun for them. It was fun for them to do.

[Will Friedle]

I think so too. So Alex leaves Marcus. So Cameron uses magic to change into Alex's clothes and take her place at the table. This confuses him. But whoever it is is trying to date him again. So that's good. But then now Alex sees this happening from afar and knows she needs to fix this. So Alex turns into Cameron and interrupts the conversation. Now we have the twins pretending to be each other. The two sisters continue to bicker, forcing Marcus Welby, MD to eventually just get up and leave. Now without a stupid man in between them, they realize they can actually have to trust each other. Just in time for Cameron to admit she lied. Marcus actually broke up with her for being self centered and shallow. Onto more pressing matters. Though they're still convinced their dad is out there alive. They take another look at Alex's drawings and they realize she's been depicting a door in the castle that they need to find. They return to Coventry after some mediocre magic and quickly find the area sketch. But there is no door. This is when she drove them the Porsche up the side of a building. Which again I was sitting there going like wow. Really really easy way to die if you're just throwing magic around. Like my God. So yes, they find the area from the sketch but there's no door. But once they walk into the wall, they walk right through it and into the dark cave. Yes. That one small hallway. A black and now purple shadow fog monster roars and starts to chase them. The girls outrun the shadow, ending up in their dad's study closing the door just in time. Is this the only time we ever saw it purple? I don't remember.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I think. No. I think we do see it purple again. I can't remember.

[Will Friedle]

I can't remember either.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I think we do. But now it can't go through doors.

[Will Friedle]

Right now it's changed. Yes.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

Now my question is this is the thing that was never actually discussed in any way shape or form. Is one of the shadows in fact their dad and the other one is Thanos?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

So that was their dad. That maybe the dad is still trapped in the the phantom world but Thanos can still get out.

[Sabrina Bryant]

We never really a hundred percent know that like what we don't even 60 know. At some point it's made to feel like they're. They're. He's tricking the twins. Right. Like at the and then. But like, like who when do got the ring. Was that the dad? I don't know. There was nothing. No way to really ever tell what shadow was what character.

[Will Friedle]

I agree. 100 which was confusing.

[Sabrina Bryant]

It was really confusing. Absolutely hard to follow.

[Will Friedle]

100%. Yes. So. And then they get a jump scare from Miranda who's just hanging out in the study? Her dead husband. Her dead husband's favorite room in the castle. She swears everything they're finding from their quote unquote dad is actually just Thanos deceiving them and they need to trust her. We also get a flashback of when Miranda and Aaron met and danced for an entire night. He gave her a star from the north sky as a present when they said goodbye. And yes, it was a real star. I know. I want you to get me for Christmas now, Sabrina. And it doesn't have to mean that we're in love or together forever, but I'd like to have a star in my pocket and I'd like you to get it for me.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I think I've actually gotten someone one before or I know I. Somebody who has done this where you can picking the. Like you can. And they get like a little map of it right where it is.

[Will Friedle]

You know who got me a star?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Who?

[Will Friedle]

Jennifer Love Hewitt.

[Sabrina Bryant]

See? Cause she's magical.

[Will Friedle]

Jennifer Love Hewitt got me a star when we were dating when I was like 20.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes. Yeah, there's been. Yeah, I just saw a couple of you guys did some photo shoot together.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, God, we used to do them all the time.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I picked up on my feed, it looked like it was for like Seventeen magazine or something like that.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh my gosh. So adorable. I know you've. You've mentioned her before. And you, you, you use the word, the name love. Like she doesn't actually go by Jennifer.

[Will Friedle]

No, she goes by.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Most people would assume me. I assumed that. No, she's not love.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I always love you.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Just. Oh, man, you. I just was such a big fan of her.

[Will Friedle]

We would always joke that we sounded like cave people when she would say, I love you, Will. Cause it sounded like I love you, Will. So it was. We would joke that we. We sounded like gay people.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That's funny. I love that.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. So she bought me a star. I once. I wonder if it's still there. Yes. Who knows? They disappear all the time. And once the girls leave the study, Miranda looks at her portrait of Aaron and says, I'm sorry, I had no choice. And now I really don't trust this lady anymore. I was getting bad vibes.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I'm telling you. I was skeptical of this mom from the very beginning, right from that first scene of her on the balcony. And then she goes into the study already. I'm like, something's up with her. This. This guy has infiltrated her body with the shadow already.

[Will Friedle]

There's A lot of ways to take that. I'm gonna not. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna go any jokes there, Sabrina. I'm gonna. I'm gonna leave like the big boy that I am. The girls then return home through Cameron's closet, and they find their worried parents waiting for them. The girls try and pretend everything is totally fine in the kingdom, but it's obvious that things are bad. This was a very funny scene, I thought, where it's like one of them's nodding and the other one shaking their head. And it's like, are you just trying not to tell us that something horrible is going on? They're like, yes. That's basically what we're trying to tell you. It was very funny scene, but it's obvious things are bad. And when Cam's dad suggests that maybe Alice can call him dad, she says she's cool for now. Which felt like one of the top five most awkward dcom moments ever. Did you agree with that?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I felt so bad for this dad. I did. So bad. She was like, yeah, no, I'm good.

[Will Friedle]

Exactly. No, that's not gonna happen, Jerry or whatever.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Gonna happen. Sir.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. She calls him, like, Mr. Whatever.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, but. But why did he do that? There was no reason that, like, their. Their relationship has taken some type of turn. They're feeling very close. He wants to open up that option for her if she's comfortable with it. There was nothing like that prior to this conversation. Why did he do that? Like, he set himself up for such, like, a letdown.

[Will Friedle]

It wasn't. And it also. Here's the other thing. It never comes back in any way, shape or form. Like, she never calls him dad at the end. They don't bring it back in any way, shape or form.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Such an awkward moment. I felt so horrible. Like, awkward. Poor guy.

[Will Friedle]

And it was like. Just puts it. I love how you said it here. It's so true, where she's like, nah, I'm good.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Nah, I'm good. Just moves right along.

[Will Friedle]

I'm all set. Thanks. Appreciate it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Not interested. Now or never. See ya.

[Will Friedle]

There's a lot of things in this movie that just. They never tied up in any way, shape, or form. This was a big one.

[Rosalind Sanchez]

Hi, I'm Rosalind Sanchez, and this sounds of my Cultura Spotlight is sponsored by Nissan with the Nissan Rogue, who is partnering with my Cultura podcast network to help celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month. Here's how singer songwriter Sebastian Yatra incorporates his culture into his music.

[Sebastian Yatra]

My culture has inspired my music and songwriting. I think from generations on over. I have it in my blood, my family, my grandparents. I feel like all this lineage with me everywhere I go, the mountains in Colombia. It's all there somehow, and it's inexplicable in certain ways. But then you hear the music and you feel it. I think language and family and culture and ways of seeing life and the passion that Colombia has and everything it does and the things we've been through together as a country, they really inspire you to create and give your best.

[Rosalind Sanchez]

Always listen to more Sebastian Yatra and celebrate Kultura every day on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your music. The sounds of my Kultura Spotlight is brought to you by Nissan, proud sponsors of my Kultura Podcast network. Quesiga La Fiesta Tired of spills and.

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[Will Friedle]

Here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us cut the Camera they see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates excludes Massachusetts. Later that night, the Shadow Fog monster's back, looming around Cameron's house and eventually attacking their poor maid. This woman just trying to make a living. Who get on for most of this film. Yeah, it's funny, but it's like, damn. Yeah, it's bad. Upstairs, the girls think maybe both Aaron and Thantos are alive. And this is also when I noticed the poster of pop star Marissa Min in the background. Some great generic art that was written by somebody. I have no idea if Marissa Min is a real person. I've never heard that name. I have no idea who that is. So it's gotta be a fake. It's gotta be a fakey. And then as soon as Cameron turns her back, Alex is gone. Just as there's a knock at the door. It's the maid screaming, snickerdoodles, snickerdoodles, snickerdooddoodle doodles all over and over again. At the top of her lungs, holding a plate of cookies. And it's like, okay, so obviously she's been possessed. It was the only possible option. So Alex is back at Coventry, trying to confirm the suspicions about her dad when she falls asleep, only waking up the next morning to a gust of wind from an open window. She says if Thanos is in the room, she's not afraid of him. But if it's Aaron, her dad, she needs a sign. And then a star appears in the window. Do you remember. Remember the whole thing with the star?

[Sabrina Bryant]

With the star.

[Will Friedle]

That's what gave her mom on the night they met? It really is him.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Probably. Why.

[Will Friedle]

But we don't know. And we still are not.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That's not convincing. I'm sorry.

[Will Friedle]

In any way. Why not just write it's really me? I don't know.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Same thing. Yeah, I promise.

[Will Friedle]

Hands emoji. Yeah, like, what's going on? She runs off to find Myranda, but she doesn't seem excited about the news. She doesn't want to hear anything else about her dad. They're going to complete the vanquishing spell and kill off all the Shadowlands. They cannot ch Thanos being alive. Now, this causes a rift, obviously. Especially after finding out everyone's magic in the castle has been restricted. So with that, she leaves, ignoring the eclipse and a furious Miranda that apparently doesn't care at all about Eren, knowing the spell is impossible without both twins. Myranda Sends out Karsh and Alina to bring them back. But there's not much time left. Cameron is rightfully torn. Save Coventry and kill what might be your dad. That is a very big ask, but not quite as big as asking out your ex's twin sister. Karsh explained to her with some very tough love that this is what a princess must do. And Cameron agrees. She hurries to persuade her sister to come along, an effort that stumbles at first, but ultimately leads to both of them agreeing to return to Coventry. Marcus and Beth fly out of a portal which they pretend they don't see, and they decide to put the portal in bright daylight right on the college campus.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Right?

[Will Friedle]

And so that was like, that's weird. But they both pretend they don't see it. There's just so many unanswered questions.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Seem like they're flirting now a little bit, right? Are they together now? Beth and Marcus are flirting.

[Will Friedle]

Like, is Beth on the Marcus Welby MD train? Like, what the hell is happening now? This guy I don't understand. And again, never wrapped up. They never go back to it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, well, a quick flash, which didn't answer questions, but a fl. It didn't answer questions, but they go back to it for hot seconds.

[Will Friedle]

A hot. Like barely a hot. A lukewarm second.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So now we're at the castle. Cameron continues to try and convince her sister that the spell must be completed. But with the eclipse just minutes away, Alex isn't sold. She asks for one last sign from her dad. I mean, she's already got one, so this seems a bit selfish, but what the hell? Then a magic book flies out of the bookcase and land on a page for a freedom spell. It promises to release someone from the shadows. And weirdly, it's exactly like the vanquishing spell with just one line different at the end. Which, if you're writing magic spells, seems like a stupid fucking way to write spells. It's like this one kills you, this one keeps you alive. And the only thing that's different is one word. Like, that's not a good plan.

[Sabrina Bryant]

100% irresponsible.

[Will Friedle]

Write your magic spells. Better people. Everybody knows that.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Jesus.

[Will Friedle]

Jeez. They could probably sneak this out during the eclipse without anybody knowing, though, so they could actually release their dad. And then the guardian angels return and pull the sisters away. The eclipse is less than a minute away. Everyone gets into their places with all the workers at the castle watching on, properly wearing sunglasses so they don't go blind. It's now time for the spell. The girls hold each other's hands and start to levitate. They start reciting the worlds with their. Their Sabrina's favorite necklaces in the world, growing and glowing and rising from their chest. And they meet in the middle. They attach. And then it's time for that final line. And everyone starts to wonder, are they. What are they gonna do? Are they gonna do the freedom spell? And then Cameron completes the vanquishing spell. She didn't stray for Miranda. Alex is devastated as they break apart and a fireball takes flight from their necklaces. Because of course, necklaces equal fireballs. Everyone runs for cover as it wrecks the castle, trying to find the shadows. Alex runs to warn who she believes is her dad and is being chased by the aggressive light bulb. It follows her room to room, and Alex finds refuge in her dad's study. She begs Aaron for help, and she stumbles on another page of the magic book. It is a transfer spell. It will transfer her powers to somebody. But the two subjects need to be touching. And with the shadow back in the room, it whispers Artemis and grows a hand to touch her. They finally connect and the transfer is complete because the spell literally is just her saying, I give you everything. That's the whole spell?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

It doesn't seem like they should be messing up these spells when they're this simple. Throwing Alex to the other side of the room, Cameron rushes into the study. Seconds too late, because Alex didn't summon her dad. It was Thanos. Womp womp. Alex was wrong all along. Thanos leaves to kill Eren before the light does. But this does validate he's still alive. So they're kind of both right. Even though she once again released eternal dark darkness. So maybe she was half wrong, half right. Glass is half magic. How does that work? And so they run off to then find their dad. They know he's at their house on the Earth dimension somehow. But Thanos beat them there and has already roughed up their mom and dad. Now he's making the maid's head shake back and forth rapidly, which is just weird. Exposing that Eren has been in her shadow the whole time. Now exposed, Thanos attacks his brother over and over. The girls eventually find the room, but it's too late. They've left for Coventry and through the upstairs closet, so they follow close behind. But Thanos has cast a spell and locked everyone out of the castle. But it's that cutie butler, Dimitri, who pops up and leads them downstairs. He says Thanos is on his way to North Tower. With Eren. And he's able to help because Miranda gave everyone their magic powers back, which is a good news in the girl's eyes. So, okay, maybe, maybe Miranda isn't such a jerk after all. Now, at the top of the north tower, Thanos continues to beat the the out of his brother, using all of Alex's powers. When the girls do catch up, Thanos knocks out the guardian angels and sends Cameron into the sky. Luckily, Miranda is close by to save the girls because now both the twins are hanging out at one side and the Guardians are just holding on to a gargoyle for dear life. Yes. So it's good versus evil, with each trying to control the twins. As the eclipse hits its final form, Eren is screaming in pain. So Thanos turns his attention to his brother and tries to finish him off for good. But in a last ditch effort, Miranda drapes herself on him and the girls hold hands. They grab onto their dad and now they're all connected, transferring all their powers to him. With that same hair. You have it. And with that, a blast throws Thanos into the wall and Aaron appears as a real human being, though a different one from the last time we saw him because he's a different actor. He looks so much like Thanos it would make a very confusing family holiday. The twins hug their dad. Finally reunited, he thanks them and hugs Miranda, still not 100% sure why he was always trying to keep him suppressed in the shadows and sabotage the girls for the whole movie. So why, like, why didn't she just release him? If that's all it took was that one spell, why wouldn't that be the first thing that happened?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

And then she didn't call anybody dad. Okay. Anyway, right when things were looking like it's gonna be a happy ending, Thantos gives it one last shot, lunging for the couple. But just in time. Eren blasts it. Him pushing him down the very deep well and leading the girls to put Ls on their foreheads and say, loser. And now it's dated. Yeah, it was.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That was dated.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That was a clueless era.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that was like. That was mid-90s day. That was already dated in 2007.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah. Crazy. We're in 2007. Nobody was doing that.

[Will Friedle]

No, it's might as well. They might as well have gone, what's up? Like what? And now it's Karsh and Alina's wedding day. The girls watch on as part of the wedding now full fledged princesses. They hand over the Rings. And we see Marcus and Beth in the crowd. I guess they've accepted Coventry and their friends are some sort of magical royalty. Seems like a tough pill to swallow, but to each his own. And also, who the is dating Marcus?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I don't know. I have no idea. There's. It's not one of the twins, is it Beth? Is it the donkey? I don't know. I'm not really sure.

[Will Friedle]

There's a donkey. There's a donkey there. And it appears that the woman with the donkey is dating the donkey. Am I wrong? Does it. It seems like there's a woman there who is. Who is in some sort of, what, I have to assume sexual relationship with this donkey? I mean, why else would that be your plus one?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Well, there was a storyline way early on in the movie about how one of the guardian angels accidentally turned the. The one that she's marrying's mom into a donkey. That's what it referenced. It's referencing.

[Will Friedle]

So it's supposed to be the mom, right? That's. That the village. I turned the village into.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Donkey was, though. Was that the. Was that the. The housekeeper?

[Will Friedle]

I think so. I don't know.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I don't know. It was like I was still stuck on Marcus and Beth going, this.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. What? Who is with who? Who's banging Marcus? I gotta know at this point. I gotta know. So. Yes. Anyway, with that, the guardian angels are husband and wife. They awkwardly kiss and applaud. Okay, again, there's a donkey there. There is. It's. There's just a donkey there. And either way, it is party time. The entire castle celebrates the married couple at the reception as Alex and Cameron jokingly argue about who really saved the day. One thing they do agree on. They both look fabulous. They're both gonna bang Marcus. We get one final go, twitches. Go, twitches. And that's our. What a journey.

[Rosalind Sanchez]

Hi, I'm Rosalind Sanchez, and this Sounds of My Cultura Spotlight is sponsored by Nissan with the Nissan Rogue, who is partnering with my Cultura podcast network to help celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month. Here's how singer songwriter Sebastian Yatra incorporates his culture into his music.

[Sebastian Yatra]

My culture has inspired my music and songwriting, I think from generations on over. I have it in my blood, my family, my grandparents. I feel like all this lineage with me everywhere I go. The mountains in Colombia, it's all there somehow, and it's inexplicable in certain ways. But then you hear the music and you feel it. I think language and family and culture and ways of seeing life and the passion that Colombia has and everything it does and the things we've been through together as a country, they really inspire you to create and give your best.

[Rosalind Sanchez]

Always listen to more Sebastian Yatra and celebrate Cultura every day on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your music. The sounds of My Kultura Spotlight is brought to you by Nissan, proud sponsors of my Kultura Podcast network. Quesiga La Fiesta.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway Cough and cold season is coming so make sure you're prepared and stock up on your family's favorite personal wellness products. Now through October 7th. Shop in store and online for savings on products like Mucinex, Kickstart Combo, Zyrtec Allergy Relief Tablets or Liquid Gel Halls Cough Drops and Mucinex Fast day and night so you and your family are armed and ready for the season ahead offerings October 7th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Will Friedle]

Here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally Doug Limu Is that guy with the binoculars watching us? Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Savings Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts Sabrina let's do some real reviews and I think you've got the five star right into it. So jump into it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

What do you got from our friend Unamid. Always great to see people that get a lot of encourage to go online Yep. And write things that they're unwilling to put their name next to. This one goes five stars. These girls are Christians in this movie.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, gotcha.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Cool.

[Will Friedle]

Five stars. There you go.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Five stars.

[Will Friedle]

Five stars. I've got the one star. And this is from Turner Pizza. And Turner P. Sums it up thusly. Twitch's two. More like Twitch's pooh. Okay, one star. And now we're gonna come to our favorite portion of the program. Of course, Sabrina's favorite portion. I can take it or leave it because I'm so good at it. And that is the game that we play every week.

[Sabrina Bryant]

This week, Jensen is not here, so I'm looking pretty good already.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. We got no Jensen today.

[Sabrina Bryant]

So much better.

[Will Friedle]

Takes the heat off of it, this one. So this is very weird because I'm gonna read you exactly what I have. It says 2 or 2. T wo or t o o. So to honor Twitch's 2 and its usage of the word 2 instead of the number 2, for absolutely no reason at all, we will get five different movie titles, and we have to guess if they use the word two or the number two. Three out of five wins. Two. Who are we playing with today?

[Sabrina Bryant]

So it's Mikayla.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, producer Mikayla's joining us. What do we have today, Producer Mikayla for our possibilities?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay, so number one. Too fast. Too Furious two.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, that was the number two, right?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes. Correct.

[Will Friedle]

You answered that fast, Sabrina.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh, you see the franchise in this house, all right, we don't mess with.

[Will Friedle]

Wow. I have only seen the first one. Okay. The first one when it was Point Break. Okay, what's the second one? Legally Blonde two. It's a. It's a two, isn't it?

[Sabrina Bryant]

It's a two.

[Will Friedle]

It's a number two. It's a number two.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Correct. Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

All right. We're two. We're t. We're t o O for t o O.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay. Number three.

[Will Friedle]

Look who's talking to. That's t o O. Because it's.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Look who's talking also.

[Will Friedle]

That's t o o. Correct. Oh, we already won. Okay. Could we. Could we go. Could we go five for five, though? What's number four? Pitch Perfect two. Oh, that's a two. Don't even get me started. That's the. The number two. This is one of the greatest movies of all time, so don't get me started.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay, four for four right now.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. Okay. Number five.

[Rosalind Sanchez]

Teen Wolf 2.

[Will Friedle]

Oh, that was t o O. T.

[Sabrina Bryant]

O O. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I've ever saw that one.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, Will, you're correct. Thank you very much. Time for Will. Jason Bateman takes over the role of the Teen Wolf from Michael J.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Fox.

[Will Friedle]

Thank you, producer Mikayla. We just send. We just do better when producer Jensen is not with us. That really was the easiest game in the world. So thank you so much. Can we do some Sabrina sees? Sabrina see?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes. Actually, there was a bigger cha. Like, although there was so many questions, there was actually quite a bit. Bit of things that were worth noting on this movie. Did you. Right from the start. Now, this is kind of weird. Right from the start, their credits were offset. Did you notice that?

[Will Friedle]

You know why? I literally paused it and thought about it. I know exactly why that is.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Why?

[Will Friedle]

Because what they did was. So they're kind of credited the same. One of them is first but lower. The other one is second but higher. So it's like they're both at the same. Because if you put them at the same level, then whoever's first is first and the other one is second.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

This way you could read it either the top one is first and the bottom one is second or the first one is first. I thought the same thing, but that's why they did it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And I imagine with the two of them, that was a thing with us. For the Cheetah Girls, we went alphabetically, so it was by our last names, like Bailon, Brian, Williams. That's how we just did it. Cause it was alphabetically, and that's how it's done on Friends. And I think that's the reason why I wanted to do it that way.

[Will Friedle]

Okay, well, there's also a reason why it wasn't. We just found out in one of our newer interviews one of the reasons why it wasn't AJ and Ali. It was always Ali and aj. So it's like they pick which way it's gonna go, and then they stick with it.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And you just keep it consistent. It's never a question you just ask.

[Will Friedle]

Well, nobody ever says Tamara and Tia mow.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

They say Tia and Tamara always. So it's like that's the way it's always been. Is Tia and Tamara.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah.

[Will Friedle]

So you wonder if Tia's older. Like, hey, I'm older by a minute, or whatever it is being a twin. Yeah, maybe that. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

So I noticed that right from the start. I mean, that that's like not even 10 seconds into pushing play. Right. And then I saw. I don't know if you noticed in the room now, we only really see their room. Not very often. Not this angle, at least.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But when she's in the bed and the shadow almost comes. And you mentioned it, actually, when we were talking about it, her cot. But if you look past it under the.

[Will Friedle]

There's a beautiful bed.

[Sabrina Bryant]

It's a stunning, like, California king giant bed. I was just like, wow. I mean, does it look like these people are scraping on much of a budget? They've. They seem to have everything they want. They couldn't have given her a nicer bed or they live in a mansion. There was another room. Any other siblings.

[Will Friedle]

And the only thing I thought about that, because I thought the same thing was maybe she wanted to be closer. They wanted them both in the same room with the closet to Coventry, but then they keep throwing portals all over the place, so they don't need that. So why the hell doesn't she get her other. By the way, I just googled and I'm wrong.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Wrong.

[Will Friedle]

Tamara is actually older by two minutes.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Oh.

[Will Friedle]

So that is not why.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yeah, I think it's the shortening in the. Like, Ally and aj.

[Will Friedle]

Right. All right, that makes sense.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay. The syllables one and then two.

[Will Friedle]

Yep, that makes sense.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay. I did have an issue, and now they seemed like nice people, but the parents that are in the real world seem to really give a lot of space all the time. Like, oh, the first one is when the guardian angels are. Are there, and they're like, oh, we'll just give you guys some space. It's like, no. What? What are you talking about? What's going on, you guys? If we're gonna be talking about magic and all kinds of things that could kill you, we're gonna go ahead and stick around just to see what these kinds of, like, thank you. Plans you've got. They do that over and over again.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah.

[Sabrina Bryant]

And then when they get to the next world and this just is, like, literally a scene away, and the mom sends the guardian angels to get her, but then doesn't seem to really have much of a plan. We find it out a little bit. But when they're in that gr. Like, that garden area outside, walking, and I think it's Cameron that's only there. Alex didn't come. She didn't seem like she had a plan. Because if it was the twins need to be here. They're the only ones, then it would have been like, there's no option. Alex must come. Like, you know, but it was like they just, like, had them come without really much of a plan, which bothered me.

[Will Friedle]

I need to See you. Like. Wait, what?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes. Then I noticed, because we had spoken about the premiere of Wizards of Waverly Place, and we're getting a chance to do a real big interview. I won't spoil it yet. Cause I know we wait for a little bit longer. But that being said, when it was Waverly University.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I thought that, too.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I love that Easter egg.

[Will Friedle]

Synergy. Synergy.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Synergy to the max. Because they're talking the second one. I loved that. I thought that was so great. The father's crest. They kept calling it the crest when it was really just like a moon symbol. Did that bother you?

[Will Friedle]

Yeah. And it's also was like three in a row. That's not a. It's like, what's your crest?

[Sabrina Bryant]

It wasn't really like a. No, it didn't seem like much. It was just kind of like, could we have gotten.

[Will Friedle]

I agree.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Did we ever get an answer of what those. First, it was a gold one. Then I think it was a purple ball.

[Will Friedle]

Like, they were just walking around with balls.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Golden or purple balls.

[Will Friedle]

And. And then he, like, threw his ball, that golden ball and the. His apron, like, because he didn't want to be seen with it into the. The, like, hedge.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Right.

[Will Friedle]

And it's like a. Why are you just walking around with a golden ball? What's the golden ball? And why are you ditching said golden ball?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes. Is it. Was it important? Is it a secret? But, like, several of you are walking around with them. Like, I don't know.

[Will Friedle]

What do you got golden balls for?

[Sabrina Bryant]

And then two more. I got really confused throughout the movie because a lot of times they called their. Let's call it Magic Dad.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Aaron. But. And they called the magic Mom Miranda. But then they were switching to call it mom and dad. Like that whole dynamic of what they're calling. And I get. I. I'm sure, like, it was hard. Hard. It would mean it would be hard to figure out what it is that your names are. But she did. Alex absolutely shut down one of the Earth. Dad. No, thank you.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, no, not interested. Thanks.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But at the same time, they were. I. It was kind of confusing going back and forth how. How much they were switching. The last one was the Cheetah Girls had a song in this movie.

[Will Friedle]

Which song? Where. Where was it?

[Sabrina Bryant]

This is what's so funny. I'm like, hey, wait, that's a song. Wait, which one from BU was in it? It's called Bring it on. And it's right after. It's when Alex. Right before she meets Marcus. And it's the her entering into college. It's her first day of college and it's like, so bring it on.

[Will Friedle]

That's a Cheetah Girl song.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I. I'm look, I'm literally watching it. And I was like, hey, I'm singing.

[Will Friedle]

That's me.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Wow, that's so cool. And I had no idea. I messaged. She's like, oh, yeah, I do kind of think I remember that happening.

[Will Friedle]

I'm like, okay, so you were in this film.

[Sabrina Bryant]

So, so they were great. I mean, the, the movie, the song song was. But yes, and it made sense. It's right. It was right when that album. That was our only album that came out that wasn't a soundtrack. It was tcg. Our own set, Our own album, not a soundtrack. And this was 2007. Was right when we were about to to.

[Will Friedle]

There you go. Well, so bring it on.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Bring it on.

[Will Friedle]

I love that. Well, now it's time that we rate the film we just saw as we do every week. It's gonna be tough, but we're gonna make it easier because we're gonna do one to ten. Ten.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

And we're gonna make one the low one.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Okay.

[Will Friedle]

And ten the high one. So we're gonna make it easy on ourselves. Now the question is, what should we do? Should we do 1 out of 10 non rhyming twin names? 1 out of 10 snitch Beths? 1 out of 10 dates with identical twins that you pretend isn't problematic? 1 out of 10 confusing switcheroo scenarios. Guys, you won't call dad. 1 out of 10 maids just trying to make a living. Pop star Marissa Min posters never.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Still understood that one.

[Will Friedle]

Nope. One out of ten snickerdoodle screams. One out of ten unanswered questions. One out of ten wedding donkeys. Or I'm going to add one out of ten secret Sabrina songs. Which one would you like to do? I'm going to let you pick this.

[Sebastian Yatra]

Week which one we're going to do.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I love that you want to do secret Sabrina songs, but I'm still going to go ahead. And my top choice would be wedding donkeys.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. So I think I have promiscuous wedding dogs.

[Sabrina Bryant]

There was some kind of weird thing going on.

[Will Friedle]

Yeah, I agree. I think I have to go first this time, don't I?

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Okay. This is. This was. This was Okay. I love them. They're great.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

They can command the screen. They are built for Disney Channel. They were perfect.

[Sabrina Bryant]

They owned it.

[Will Friedle]

They owned it. They were once again great in this movie. So so taking them completely out of the scenario because they're phenomenal and they're two of my favorites to watch. So get rid of the twins entirely. This was not a great movie. The first one was better. The special effects were not special, especially for a budget this big. They tied up no storylines. Like nothing made any sense in this movie what they were doing. But the twins save it a bit. So I'm going to give this, and I think I'm being generous. 5.5 wedding wedding donkeys. That's what I'm giving. It is a 5. 5 wedding, wedding donkeys. Sabrina, what do you got?

[Sabrina Bryant]

You know, I, because I really, in my head and it's clear that I didn't 100% remember the first one.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

But I, what I did remember was liking it. It.

[Will Friedle]

Yes, I think we did.

[Sabrina Bryant]

I, I really do think I remember liking this movie. So I was really confused because I just felt like again, you said it. There was so many questions and holes and things that never meant anything. I don't. Then I started kind of letting myself go. Oh, well, maybe there was an idea at the time that they were going to do a third one. So that's why there's like, you know, like there wasn't every. All the ties weren't tied. I don't know. But it just, it was too many of them to be able to like sit and enjoy because you were just like overthinking and trying to understand. The biggest hang up for me was there not being any distinguishing to where at least we as an audience could have told. Could think back and know what Shadow was who.

[Will Friedle]

Right.

[Sabrina Bryant]

That's the only one that, I mean, that's the one that just really blew my mind that I, I hated about it because I need to know who's who, which if this, I'm okay with it being the, the uncle and then also being the dad. And that's why it's really hard to navigate. But I need, as a viewer, need to know because now I'm confused. Yeah, now. Now I've got, you know, trust issues and all kinds of things that are just coming out of all of the woodwork. So I'm gonna agree with you that it was not, not a great movie and again, agree with you as well. Like I said, I call them the twins. They are the most epic duo on the channel. That they're great. That I really grew up with and love everything about them. I loved what they've both done as AD Like, I will follow anything that they're doing.

[Will Friedle]

So Born entertainers.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yep, absolutely. So it was hard. I'm going to give them a Six wedding donkeys. Okay, you get six on this one.

[Will Friedle]

A little wedding donkey more than mine.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Because I think for me again, I loved the concept of the first one and I just was, you know. So anyway, it's six wedding.

[Will Friedle]

There we go.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Promiscuous wedding.

[Will Friedle]

Six promiscuous wedding. I'm all. I would like to throw in crazier.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Crazier with these, these labels.

[Will Friedle]

I need to know who's banging Marcus. Well, bm cuz they just. They didn't wrap it up. Anyway, thank you everybody for joining us. Our next movie is going to be a little bit of a milestone because we're going to be entering our Zendaya era with 2014's sci fi comedy Zapid. I'm kidding. It's zapped is what it is. It's the introduction for one of Hollywood's biggest stars in the 2025 for Magical Rewind. And you could watch Zapped on Disney plus ahead of our episode. Consider it homework for you if you want. And. And we're so excited to announce that Zendaya herself has never even heard of our podcast. So there's no chance in hell she's coming on. Just for the record. But I had you. Had you for a second there, didn't I?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I was like, wait, did I miss a text message?

[Will Friedle]

Did I miss an email?

[Sabrina Bryant]

I got an email. I would absolutely die.

[Will Friedle]

She has no idea about us or our podcast, so we'll never get her in a thousand years. But we can talk about. So go watch the movie before you hear us next time because we are going to be talking about Zapid from 2014. And as Sabrina said, we do have a very special guest coming up and he will be. This one's for real.

[Sabrina Bryant]

Yes.

[Will Friedle]

Talking to Wizards of Waverly Place Season 1 and Season 2 and the original and the remake and everything else on the channel. David Henry is going to be joining us over on our other feed, so. So please make sure to check that out. Talk about Disney royalty. We are very excited to have that conversation. Here's a bit of it. We did a pilot for a totally different show called the Amazing Omalleys that didn't test very well. Turns out you should lead with girls. Good move. In hindsight. And then it all changed. And then Selena was number one. I was right behind her. But in that dynamic, I think helped. Click. Clicked like a perfect dynamic for us. Go check it out. Because, man, it was cool. We were so lucky to get a half hour with him because he is in the midst of just interview after interview after interview. So this was really, really and we're.

[Sabrina Bryant]

So lucky we got a sneak peek at this season too.

[Will Friedle]

We did. Yeah. So kind of exciting. Kind of a coop for us. As I would say, kind of a coop. So thanks everybody so much and we will see you next time. Bye.

[Sabrina Bryant]

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