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Jon Lovett (1:46)

I'm Jon Lovett.

Tommy Vietor (1:46)

I'm Tommy Detour.

Jon Favreau (1:47)

On today's show, we'll talk about JD Vance's global face plant. From Budapest to Islamabad. Trump's new ploy to reopen the Strait of Hormuz by blockading it, his new war with the Holy Father and his blasphemous depiction of himself as an AI Jesus. How's that for a sentence?

Jon Lovett (2:04)

Fucking, what a stupid era.

Jon Favreau (2:06)

Then we'll get into the big news in the California governor's race as horrific sexual assault allegations end Eric Swalwell's campaign and his time in Congress. We'll Also talk about the latest encouraging sign for Democrats Senate hopes. Gotta throw some good news in there right then Lovett sits down with our pal Nithya Raman, the LA City Council member who launched a last minute surprise challenge to Karen Bass about why she's running for mayor on a very yimby platform. How's that?

Summary

Pod Save America – Detailed Episode Summary

Episode: "The Audacity of Pope" (April 14, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode breaks down a week of wild political news, with the Pod Save America crew (Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, Tommy Vietor) offering insight and sharp commentary on:

The failed Iran negotiations and Trump’s hurriedly announced naval blockade of Iranian ports
Trump’s public feud with Pope Leo, including blasphemous AI-generated images of himself as Jesus
The sexual assault allegations that ended Eric Swalwell’s California governor campaign and his congressional career
Surging hopes for Democrats in key Senate races
Jon Lovett’s in-depth interview with LA City Council member Nithya Raman, now mayoral candidate, challenging the status quo in Los Angeles

Throughout, the hosts’ signature mix of policy analysis, media critique, and biting humor is on full display.

Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Iran Negotiations and Strait of Hormuz Blockade (03:20–22:57)

JD Vance’s Diplomatic Failure:
Vance, acting as Trump’s envoy, attempts face-to-face talks in Islamabad with Iranian negotiators. Talks fail spectacularly, leading Trump to order a U.S. naval blockade of all Iranian ports.
- Favreau:
  "The bad news is the talks failed insofar as it's not good news if your plane flies almost all the way to your destination and then crashes just at that mountain at the end." (04:56)
Trump and Team's Strange Priorities:
While the crisis unfolds, Trump and key advisors (including Marco Rubio and the Secretary of State) are spotted ringside at a Miami UFC fight. Tommy highlights the optics as "ridiculous" (06:04).
Details of the Blockade:
Tommy lays out the logistical and geopolitical headaches: 15 US warships, commercial risk, Iranian-laid naval mines that they've now "lost contact" with, and the risk of escalation or ambiguous directives leading to disaster (13:36–16:57).
Sanctions, Oil, and Global Impact:
The blockade aims to choke Iranian oil exports, but also risks spiking global oil prices and hurting Americans at the pump. Iran has contingency plans, but the U.S. failed to refill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, showing poor foresight.
- Tommy:
  "It's going to be a big problem. And the argument that why are we spending X billions on bombs to drop on schools in Iran when we could be spending it on anything else here pulls through the roof and everyone's going to be able to use that." (62:05)
Political Fallout for Trump:
Trump’s approval is "in a straight line down" (21:54), with analyst consensus that gas prices could have a 2011-style effect on the administration’s political standing.

2. Trump’s Holy War: Pope Leo, AI Jesus, and the Religious Right (27:05–42:28)

Background:
Pope Leo publicly condemns Trump's war in Iran and harsh immigration policies. The feud escalates after a “60 Minutes” segment where U.S. cardinals are bluntly critical of Trump's moral leadership.
- Quote:
  “Pope Leo is weak on crime is a sentence that I will think about. I was shocked, but I also couldn’t stop laughing…” – Favreau (29:05)
Trump's Retort:
Trump attacks the Pope online, warns him to "get his act together," and posts an AI image of himself as Jesus. When pressed, Trump laughably claims the image was "me as a doctor" (32:35).
JD Vance Reaction:
Vance downplays the spat as “not newsworthy” and insists Trump was “just joking.” He also bizarrely suggests the Vatican should “stick to matters of morality,” not geopolitics (33:36–34:07).
Implications for U.S. Catholics:
The hosts discuss how 20% of Americans are Catholic, making this fight politically costly. The right’s historic focus on “personal morality” (abortion, sexuality) vs. the Pope’s focus on peace, dignity, and compassion lays bare a deeper ideological rift (35:04).
Broader Consequences:
Even usually loyal far-right media (e.g., Tucker Carlson) are openly questioning Trump’s mental stability and religious blasphemy (37:35).
- Favreau:
  “For most Catholics, when you start attacking the Pope like that, and then you put yourself as AI Jesus, that is a pretty... punch. It's pretty blasphemous.” (40:47)

3. Eric Swalwell's Implosion and the California Governor’s Race (46:23–58:39)

The Allegations and Fallout

Swalwell Out:
Four women, including a former staffer, accuse Swalwell of sexual assault/misconduct, prompting a criminal investigation and his resignation from both the gubernatorial race and Congress.
- Tommy:
  “Hire a criminal defense attorney, because there’s a damn good chance that guy gets prosecuted and could see jail time.” (46:36)
- Lovett:
  “It’s hard to get into the mind of somebody that would have this in their past and think that they could run for governor.” (47:05)

The Gubernatorial Primary Shakeup

Democratic Field:
Jon, Tommy, and Lovett analyze the likely showdown between Tom Steyer and Katie Porter, the demise of worries over a "lockout" scenario, and the challenges for Matt Mahan and other lower-polling candidates.
- Lovett:
  “It does seem like it’s a moment for Katie Porter to spend some money and try to figure out how to bump herself up.” (57:40)

Ethics and Congressional Scandals

The broader House ethics environment is flagged as a mess, with other resignations and possible expulsions (Tony Gonzalez, Sheila Cherfilis-McCormick, Corey Mills) discussed in the scandal’s wake.
- Lovett:
  “There’s something so ugly about like, oh, we have to do it in pairs cuz we’re only gonna enforce our ethics in a bipartisan way.” (51:57)

4. Democrats’ Senate Hopes: Gas Prices and Political Shifts (58:39–62:28)

Cook Political Report Moves:
North Carolina and Georgia now "Lean Dem;" Ohio and Iowa newly competitive. Hosts debate how rising gas prices and inflation, thanks to Middle East instability, could reshape November.
- Jon Favreau:
  “Voters historically are more sensitive to price increases than even job losses, and nothing is more sensitive than gas.” (25:08)
Caveats:
Despite the good news, analysts warn Dems "need four" seats and the path remains tough, especially with Texas still "lean Republican" (60:56).
- Lovett:
  “If it’s five or six dollars a gallon, suddenly the Senate is not just in play, but we have a real, real chance of taking it.” (59:29)

5. Politics, Media, and Culture Roundup (62:51–66:33)

Trudeau at Coachella:
Laughs all around as a viral photo shows Canadian PM Justin Trudeau, age 54, at Coachella in a backwards hat with pop star Katy Perry—while posting about Hungarian politics.
- Lovett (wryly):
  "He's crushing it. He's dating a pop star at Coachella. We're fucking here. He's crushing it." (64:55)

6. Jon Lovett Interviews Nithya Raman: "LA’s Dysfunction Is a Political Choice" (68:37–103:24)

Raman’s Case Against the Status Quo

Why She's Running:
Raman, originally a Karen Bass supporter, explains her frustration with the city’s lack of urgency, fiscal mismanagement, and resistance to pro-housing reforms.
- Raman:
  "The idea of having a mayoral election where we weren't even talking about the fact that LA is struggling right now, that a lot of people feel like it's moving in the wrong direction ... made me absolutely crazy." (69:14)
Fiscal Dysfunction:
LA’s “basket case” status is traced to massive police union contracts and politically motivated spending (e.g. $6B convention center expansion).
- Raman:
  "We signed an enormous contract with them that everybody at City Hall knew would lead to hundreds of millions of dollars of shortfall. And yet we signed it anyway because the mayor and many other City hall leaders ... knew that the police union is the major player in local elections." (71:26)
The Housing Crisis:
Deep dive on restrictive zoning, bureaucratic delay, and failures in pro-growth policy (e.g. misapplied mansion tax). Raman advocates for increased density, transit-oriented development, and sweeping permitting reform.
- Raman:
  "We have to build a city where saying yes is the goal of our housing processes, not the opposite." (82:11)
Fixing LA’s Core Problems:
From homelessness (criticizing the inefficiency and cost of the "Inside Safe" hotel program) to crime, public services, and film industry decline—Raman’s refrain is focused, data-driven governance.
- Raman:
  “My goal is to ensure that every resident of Los Angeles feels like the government is working for them and that they can palpably feel the positive presence of government in their lives.” (94:00)
Political Obstacles:
The city's entrenched interests, including labor and nonprofit alliances, resist even obvious reforms. Raman sees this as partly ideological (refusing to heed evidence) and driven by patronage politics (85:44–87:30).
MacArthur Park as Metaphor:
Raman outlines a pragmatic, humane yet clear-eyed approach to encampments and public safety: combine shelters, mental health interventions, and (when necessary) policing, but "with time and urgency" (90:49–92:45).
Film Industry and Civic Culture:
She calls for more aggressive city advocacy and bureaucratic reform to retain film and TV jobs.

Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps & Attribution)

"It’s not good news if your plane flies almost all the way to your destination and then crashes just at that mountain at the end."
— Jon Favreau (04:56)
"If it doesn’t happen, I’m blaming JD Vance. If it does happen, I’m taking full credit."
— Donald Trump, as quoted by Jon Favreau (10:09)
"Pope Leo is weak on crime is a sentence that I will think about. I was shocked, but I also couldn't stop laughing..."
— Jon Favreau (29:05)
“Well, it wasn't depicted [as Jesus Christ], it was me..."
— Donald Trump (32:35)
"For most Catholics, when you start attacking the Pope like that, and then you put yourself as AI Jesus, that is a pretty... punch. It's pretty blasphemous."
— Jon Favreau (40:47)
"It does seem like it’s a moment for Katie Porter to spend some money and try to figure out how to bump herself up."
— Jon Lovett (57:40)
"My goal is to ensure that every resident of Los Angeles feels like the government is working for them and that they can palpably feel the positive presence of government in their lives."
— Nithya Raman (94:00)

Notable and Humorous Exchanges

“If you told, just, you kind of shake someone awake in 2011 and you’re like, Donald Trump’s gonna be president, he’s pretending he’s Jesus, and accepting McDonald’s delivery at the Oval Office while talking about blockading the Strait of Hormuz… that’s a joke, that’s a 30 Rock…”
— Lovett (13:12)
"He's dating a pop star at Coachella. We're fucking here. He's crushing it."
— Lovett on Justin Trudeau (64:55)
“How many books about himself is that guy gonna write?”
— Tommy Vietor on J.D. Vance (42:56)

Timestamps for Major Segments

JD Vance/Iran/Trump Blockade: 03:18–22:57
Trump vs. Pope Leo / AI Jesus: 27:05–42:28
Swalwell News & CA Governor’s Race: 46:23–58:39
Senate Shifts / Gas Price Politics: 58:39–62:28
Trudeau at Coachella, Political Culture: 62:51–66:33
Interview: Nithya Raman for LA Mayor: 68:37–103:24

Final Thoughts

This high-energy episode captures the absurdity, stakes, and human consequences of American politics in 2026 with Pod Save America’s trademark mix of snark, outrage, and hard-earned policy wisdom. Whether unpacking a potential global crisis, mocking the latest Trump spectacle, or examining local leadership failures, it’s essential, unvarnished commentary for anyone trying to make sense of this era.