766. UFO Headlines

Summary

Podcast UFO – Episode 766: UFO Headlines

Date: July 3, 2026
Host: Martin Willis
Producer: Donna Killeen
Guests/Contributors: Kelly, Sam, Jack

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Overview

Episode 766 of Podcast UFO focuses on recent developments in the UFO field, including firsthand accounts from a major disclosure forum in Washington D.C., community reactions to official disclosures, government transparency, a new White House-appointed UFO council, and discussion of significant recent and historical sightings. The panel debates the effectiveness of recent file dumps, explores the interplay between institutional and grassroots UFO research, and answers wide-ranging questions from the live audience.

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Main Discussion Points & Key Insights

1. Reflections on the Washington D.C. Disclosure Forum

• Event Attendance and Notables ([03:11]–[06:54])
  • Martin and Donna attended the recent Disclosure Forum.
  • High-profile attendees included Ross Coulthart, Leslie Kean, Dr. John Blitch, Chris Mellon, Anna Brady Estevez, Keith Taylor, Avi Loeb, Hal Puthoff, James Fox, Danny Sheehan, Anna Paulina Luna, and Ryan Graves.
  • Some expected figures, such as Tim Burchett and Gillibrand, were absent.
• Atmosphere & Public Reaction ([07:30])
  • Donna: “It was just a who's who...a lot of excitement...We were discussing the reactions of people to the phenomenon, to the disclosure. And there was a lot of talk about how we are surprised about some of the reactions of the general public. It's not a panic. It seems to be apathy.”
• Panel Highlights ([10:01]–[11:36])
  • Standout recommended panel features Gadi Schwartz (moderator), Christopher Mellon, Tim Gallaudet, Marek Von Benning, and Kirk O’Connell — noted for deep, “down the funnel” insights.
  • Martin encourages listeners to view his exclusive recording of this panel on his YouTube channel.

2. File Dumps, Government Transparency, and Political Action

• Frustration with Disclosure ([16:08]–[18:29])

  • Martin poses a pointed question at the forum about elusive “good stuff” in UFO files, especially regarding private entity control over crash retrievals and evidence being locked away.
  • Rep. Eric Burleson:
    “At the end of the day…when you don't have [evidence], it's just narrative. So that's where I'm at. I'm as frustrated with you as you are.” ([17:37])
  • Burleson describes efforts to directly request documentation from MIT Lincoln Labs, MITRE, FBI—claims small victories.
    “[We’re] being very specific…when you get that specific, I think that that's a…I kind of…I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think a lot of these institutions don't even know what they have.” ([18:34])
  • Martin notes MIT Lincoln Labs admitted to possessing a “reel to reel” audio regarding a historic case.

• Panel Responses to File Dumps ([39:24]–[41:00])

  • Jack: “I see a whole lot of talking and not a lot of doing...I wonder if the file dumps have run their course and I wonder what the next step is going to be. Where's the next big ball that's rolling down the Hill?”
  • Sam observes latest dumps moved from military instrumentation to “just home videos,” suggesting diminishing quality or effort from the government:
    “That's them waving the white flag of surrender and saying, you know what, we're not even trying anymore.” ([39:45])
  • Kelly and Sam advocate shifting focus from government to “institutional knowledge” in private researchers’ archives (“boxes of information...puts the material in these drops to shame” – Kelly, [40:00]).

3. Skepticism, the New UFO Council, and Trust Issues

• White House UFO Council—Controversy Over Michael Shermer’s Appointment ([25:22]–[34:58])

  • Avi Loeb to head the new White House-appointed council; Gary Nolan named as a member, but Jacques Vallee omitted.
  • Michael Shermer's appointment draws criticism for past “unapologetically awful” treatment of whistleblowers.
  • Martin: “I knew right away there was going to be a problem when I heard Michael Shermer was going to be on it...” ([29:50])
  • Kelly: “I think the idea of having a skeptical voice...isn't the problem, but I think his voice specifically...is the problem with a lot of folks.” ([29:24])
  • Sam criticizes skeptics who are “closed off to the evidence.”
  • Donna links suspicion to long-standing patterns of government disinformation and suggests many see Shermer’s presence as a signal of more of the same.

• Debate: Who to Trust, Government or Grassroots? ([41:35]–[43:07])

  • Martin and Kelly debate the necessity of government involvement versus the power of collected civilian evidence.
  • Jack references Ryan Graves’ “Americans for Safe Aerospace” podcast and an air traffic controller’s account of additional UAP during the balloon incident—not covered by media: “There was a whole nother...UFO side story that wasn't a balloon that was happening at the same time...” ([44:28])

4. Community Q&A – Philosophy and Big Cases

Petri Dish Hypothesis & Alien Motivations

• Classic Martin Story ([57:21]–[59:26])
  • Martin recounts a 1990s encounter with an Air Force insurance broker who said the government believed, “we're a petri dish”—possibly being observed or experimented on by others.
  • The panel muses on the emotional impact of this hypothesis; Kelly requests contact from anyone with primary source research materials.

Multiplicity of Civilizations

• Consensus emerges that the phenomenon could be more complex than a single civilization—possibly “multiple civilizations...or even something beyond our concept of ‘species’ or ‘civilization.’”
  • Sam: “...the idea of a civilization or a species would necessarily be even meaningful to whatever this is.” ([50:30])

Who Would Be Believed on Disclosure?

• Panel agrees no one person or leader could serve as a credible universal messenger to the world—suggestions ranged from Taylor Swift and Joe Rogan to Mr. Bean and Shakira, illustrating the cultural fragmentation of trust.
  • Sam: “There’s another person for whom that, that messenger is the antithesis of anything they would believe…there’s going to be some fatal flaw with every human…” ([61:44])

Greatest News Event or Case—Personal Picks

• Roswell (Kelly): “So much research...so much material out there…people did the work and got the firsthand witness testimony before those people were gone.” ([63:54])
• Ariel School Incident (Martin): “The witnesses are just incredible, articulate. They’ve changed everyone’s life all the way through.” ([64:19])
• Phoenix Lights (Jack): “A huge sighting with so many witnesses...Thousands.” ([65:40])
• Rendlesham (Donna): Military observers make it stand out ([70:40])

Recent File Releases and Unexplained Orbs

• Sam discusses a newly released Arrow memo:
  • Multiple federal agents observed a “glowing mothership orb” spawning smaller orbs; all prosaic explanations ruled out ([71:14]–[73:59]).
• Mockery over the “potato-shaped craft” in Fort Carson; panel suspects poor depictions could be intended to belittle reports ([75:02]–[75:26]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On public apathy:

  • Donna: “It's not a panic. It seems to be apathy.” ([07:30])

• On congressional frustration:

  • Rep. Eric Burleson: “I'm as frustrated with you as you are. I want to see the real stuff.” ([17:37])

• On government trust:

  • Kelly: “I don't trust a lot of what the government's telling us at this point, to be very honest…To get things from them, it's going to have to be behind. They're going to have to be up against a wall.” ([43:07])

• On the need for open-minded skepticism:

  • Kelly: “We need skeptics that haven't already made up their mind, just like we need investigators that haven't made up their mind. That's kind of the point.” ([34:58])

• On the “petri dish” hypothesis:

  • Martin: “He said, well, they think we're a petri dish.” ([57:21])

• On multi-civilization possibility:

  • Donna: “I think they've been here the whole time, precede us, maybe seeded us, maybe somehow manipulating us...” ([49:07])

• On disclosure messenger absurdity:

  • Kelly: “Taylor Swift, Mr. Beast.”
  • Jack: “I think if Shakira gave disclosure to the world, like if it's one person who I'd want to be an ambassador for planet Earth…it would be Shakira.” ([61:00]–[61:25])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:11] – Martin & Donna describe the Disclosure Forum: notables, atmosphere, and surprises.
• [07:30] – Donna summarizes the “who’s who” in attendance; talks about apathy in public reaction.
• [10:29] – Recommended panel: Gadi Schwartz, Mellon, Gallaudet, Marek Von Benning, Kirk O’Connell.
• [16:08] – Martin’s pointed question at the forum on withheld evidence and private contractors.
• [17:04] – Rep. Eric Burleson’s frank response about frustration and ongoing efforts.
• [24:33] – Ben Hansen’s video analysis and Martin’s car “figure” incident.
• [25:22] – Discussion begins on White House UFO council and Michael Shermer’s role.
• [39:24] – Reflection on value (or lack) of government file dumps.
• [44:28] – Additional “orbs/UFOs” sighted during the balloon incident.
• [48:49] – Discussion: single vs. multiple alien civilizations.
• [57:21] – Martin shares his insurance agent “petri dish” story.
• [63:26] – Panel shares their most significant UFO case or news event picks.
• [71:14] – Sam details a newly released “mothership and orbs” case from the latest file dump.

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Tone and Language

• Warm, friendly, and sometimes playful—frequent humor and light-hearted anecdotes, mixed with earnest inquiry and critical but respectful skepticism. The panel is candid about flaws in the current disclosure process and institutional attitudes, while championing open-minded research and celebrating UFO community milestones and stories.

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Closing Thoughts

• The episode ends with expressions of community, gratitude for listener participation, and hope for future transparency—while noting real progress over several years (“It didn't used to go anywhere before people did eye rolls. And now it's moving.” – Donna, [76:16]).
• Listeners are invited to tune in for the next “UFO Headlines” as the pace and quality of official information and grassroots research continue to evolve.

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For further information and to join the ongoing discussion, the panel encourages visiting the Podcast UFO YouTube channel, subscribing to their newsletter, and reaching out with any new evidence or experiences.

Transcript

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treat, cure or prevent any disease. Well, it says with UFO Jack and myself, but we got two more people and they're going to be joining us all along here we have Kelly and Sam or Sam and Kelly, whichever you prefer. And so yeah, we've become fast friends in the UFO world and I think if there was any other way we'd still become fast friends. Had nothing to do with UFOs. Nothing to do with.

[Kelly]

I agree.

[Martin Willis]

Yep. And Jack, thanks so much for being here and everyone who's watching this live. You have to check out Jack's hat. I love it. How on earth did you get a Blockbuster hat? Did. I thought Blockbuster would be around longer than the United States. Really? You know, I mean, and it's just, it was so hard to believe that we'd be doing everything online the way we are. But who could have seen it?

[Sam]

True.

[Martin Willis]

Isn't there all that stock money I had in Blockbuster and Saccharine too. And, oh, my God, I picked some really good ones. Yeah. But anyway, all we're all glad to be here. So I'm here with Donna next to me, producer Donna, better half, whatever you want to call her, she's here. And Sam and Kelly, they're in Montana. And Jack's very nearby myself, where we are right now, we are in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, this time of year. And there's the Betty and Barney Hill incident. That's where they lived right here. There is currently at the library here. And I'm sorry, the historical society here in town, we have a Betty and Barney Hill exhibition. There's been talks. I was down and we were down in South Carolina, could not see it at that time. Doing a talk here in Rye. That's. I don't think it's going to be. It's all because of this whole situation. But I'm going to be doing talk in a little town called Rye, New Hampshire, very historic little town. And I'll be surprised at who will show up to listen to UFOs. All right. So I'm really excited because I saved tonight to talk about a situation. Donna and I were at the forum, the disclosure forum in Washington, D.C. we made it there. We got up early. We did everything we were supposed to do. I got my hand terribly caught in an elevator in the hotel. And yeah, it was quite a mess, but we still made it and everything is fine. And I. Whenever you want to come and see my new hotel. No, I'm not that type of person. Yeah, I'm not that type of person. I said, hey, a couple of nights free stay, that'll be good enough for me. But anyway, we had a wonderful time. And I'm going to start showing some pictures of the day. And I wish there would, you know, it was a very full crowd, I will tell you that. So if we go around the room, we'll see Ross Coldheart and we see Dr. John Blitch, who's been on the show. And then we see myself. Of course, I can't see the figure and the figure I'm turning away from. But if you look at my hand. I am holding my wallet. That makes me very nervous. I have absolutely no idea what I was, who I was going to pay or anything like that. But I'm not even going to think

[Sam]

you want Ross pick in your pocket.

[Martin Willis]

Apparently it was Ross. Yeah, I grabbed my wallet back. Okay. And so these two great people, both have been on my show too, as well. We have Anna Brady Estevez. Wonderful. She works in the government. She's also involved in the disclosure foundation. And Dr. Keith Taylor. Taylor, thank you. Always great seeing him. We saw him when we were the. When we were with the Tedesco brothers as well. So this is John Blitch, of course. And of course, Matt Ford and I were hanging out and talking a lot. Donna got to see Leslie Kane and they had a nice conversation. And this is right where we're sitting, a little selfie here, Dan. Danny Sheehan, of course, is some friend. Not his wife, but a friend. This is kind of a funny picture just showing you this one because this is when I met and talked to Chris Mellon for the first time. Now, Chris Mellon and I were talking on the phone all the time years ago, back in 2016. And he wanted to know about my house up on the mountain, all that type of stuff. So the thing is, you can see me grabbing a hold of my glasses. So I showed him my glasses. See these glasses? I have. I got those glasses because I love the glasses you're wearing. He's already hooked me up through email. He's hooked me up through an Italian company where he had those made. But anyway, I still love his glasses. He said he's had them for years now. I'm going to show a couple of videos here. This is just a quick one. This is behind the scenes. Back when I was with uap, when I was with Disclosure and you were walking up the steps. It's this fun printed who's who. I thought I could do it. I thought I could do a voiceover talk over that, but. So I don't know how this picture came up. I never clicked on it, but here it is. So anyway, you could see all the people there. That was when we got in early because we were with the media and Avi Loeb was there and Hal put off. I had a really nice conversation with him. Donna, what did you think of that whole situation?

[Donna]

As you can imagine, it was just a who's who of everybody that's been in the, you know, researching the topic between politicians, writers. James Fox was there. It was Ross Colthott. It was everybody. And it was Just a lot of excitement. I got to talk to Leslie Kane. We were discussing the reactions of people to the phenomenon, to the disclosure. And there was a lot of talk about how we are surprised about some of the reactions of the general public. It's not a panic. It seems to be apathy.

[Martin Willis]

I don't know.

[Donna]

Too much going on. So we. We're talking amongst ourselves. So that was one thing that came up.

[Martin Willis]

Yep, it's. It is. It is kind of funny you would think that. I don't know. There was. I didn't see a lot of. There was some media, but they were hanging out in the halls afterwards. But I didn't see, like, you, CNN there. And just. You just would think with all. All the people that were attending, especially, you know, people in our government that were there, some people didn't show up. Tim Burchette didn't show up. Gillibrand had a. Got pulled away on something else. So unfortunately, she was not there.

[Donna]

Anna Polina Luna.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, she did a. She was really there. She. And really funny. A couple of things that she said was pretty funny. Well, there we go. You know, but we had audio. I don't know if you're watching. For those of you who are watching this live, they had all types of audio cutouts and things. And. And that's our taxpayer money at work right there, let me tell you. So, I mean, the building is just beautiful. And I took this picture mainly to show, you know, the back part. Look at the beautiful carved Roman capitals on that. All marble. That's all marble. And to carve marble like that, I mean, it's just monumental task. And it's such a beautiful building. And that's where the Watergate hearings were and, you know, so many other things that happened there. That's the oldest Senate building in. In the country. And there I thought it was wonderful. I'm going to kind of wrap this up in a roundabout way, but unless there's something else you'd like to say about it. No, yeah, I just thought it was. It was great to be among friends and all these people. Ryan Graves and. Yeah, I got to talk to him.

[Kelly]

Guys, I have a question.

[Donna]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

If for those of us who weren't there, I know there are quite a few hours of the sessions that were recorded and different panels that spoke for somebody who's only got a couple hours. What. Who's. What panel, what part of it do you think was the most impactful for folks like us? Because I heard a lot of it was really good for more. Top of the funnel folks, perhaps. Yeah, but we're weirdos and we're a little bit further down the funnel. So what part would you recommend?

[Martin Willis]

Well, I actually recorded it live, the part that I'd recommend.

[Kelly]

Excellent.

[Martin Willis]

And it's on my YouTube channel. I want anyone to go there and take a look. It was a panel with, starting out with Gotti, I can't remember his last name. Schwartz. Gotti Schwartz, who's a celebrity on his own, you know, in TV programs and things and news and all that. So he did, he was the moderator of a panel and that's what I filmed. And he was absolutely fantastic with his questions and I really love to get him on the show. He really knew his, his stuff. And so in that panel in particular, away from him was Christopher Mellon, then Tim Gallaudet, who's going to be on this coming Tuesday on my show on the 7th. So Tim Gallaudet. And then help me go down the line. I know there was. Oh yes, there was a guy who has a very hard name. It's Mulek. Very hard. Vaughn something. And he was good. He was brilliant. He was really brilliant. I really. I'm not going to try to pronounce his name. Jack, do you know how to pronounce his name?

[Jack]

I think Kelly just said it. Marek Von Benning.

[Martin Willis]

Marek. That's his first name. Yes. And then another, I think he's an A lister and he was supposed to be on the show, but he screwed up. Kirk o', Connell, he's just amazing. He had a lot of really great things. So I have a really, really good video of that. I want you to check it out. I have a lot of close ups when they're talking because I had two cameras I was using and. But anyway, yeah, check that out. I think that was the best panel. But overall it was a great day. We were exhausted. We didn't stay for the whole entire thing, but it was, it was fun for what we were there. And like I always say, it's always fun in the hallways. You know, that's where you meet people, people with a, like interest. And someone yelled, oh, you're the ufo Tesla guy, huh? That's what he gave me because I do that thing on Tesla. I talked to Ryan Graves. I told him, you know, one of the reasons I bought the Tesla, you know, was that he praises his so much and so does James. Fox loves his too. So anyway, I am going to kind of close out unless either one of you, any one of you have any more questions about the event.

[Sam]

I, I just have to interject. I really appreciated the question that you had the opportunity to ask.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, I'm going to show that. I'm going to show that. Yeah, yeah, let's see it. Okay, here it is. So yeah, I mean, and thank you for that because I didn't know whether it landed all that well or not, but here it is right here.

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[Martin Willis]

hello, Martin Willis from Podcast UFO. Thank you all for being here. Question that I have is when these files have been released, they keep coming out and the people that have been around the UFO community for a long time all same the same thing, where's the good stuff? You know, where's there's got to be more than this. And a lot of this is military. I saw the, you know, other releases, this latest one, but a lot of people also have fear of. I heard you Representative Burleson mentioned private entities. There's been talk about things going like crash retrieval. And I know the Schumer rounds had the eminent domain aspect of it. You know, these things go into these private companies and then they're gone. We, there's no oversight, there's no way to see what's really happening. And so I just wondered if you could address those questions. Thank you for your time.

[Representative Eric Burleson]

Hearing the reports of the like was just mentioned of other sightings. We've had so many site of those reports. But where's the photos? And I would say if you've got the photos, let's see them, bring them forward. If the public, if there was that many people that cited it, then we want to see the footage. We want to see the cell phone footage. Right. So but at the end of the day when you don't have it, it's just narrative. So that's where I'm at. I'm like we've had, we've had a lot of great hearings with some great witnesses. And at this point I'm as frustrated

[Martin Willis]

with you as you are.

[Representative Eric Burleson]

I want to see, I want to see the real stuff. What we're trying to do in my team is take actionable information and then request it. And so right now I don't have subpoena power personally. I got Frustrated trying to go through the committee and the length of time that it takes and again dealing with staff. And so I, my team, my office, we're just sending direct letters interrogatives to these, you know, whether it's MIT Lincoln Labs or Mitre Patel and others that I don't want to say yet. We're sending these letters, we're sending letters to the FBI saying and we're being very specific, we're saying you, we want you to investigate the details of the Varhina incident.

[Martin Willis]

Right.

[Representative Eric Burleson]

And, and then we're saying for example the MIT Lincoln Labs, we are aware that there's a doc, there's a reel to reel audio that's date, that's from this date with this name. And, and we demand that you retain that file that and that you provide it to Congress. And so when you get that specific I think that that's a, I don't, I kind of, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think a lot of these institutions don't even know what they have. And so but when you all. And people bring information to us, specific details and information that helps us craft the letter which then gives the instructions. And you know, I'm maybe the 435th most powerful member of Congress but at least I am a member and can write a letter that they might just listen to. And so that's, that's what we're trying to do right now. And I think we've made some success. MIT Lincoln Labs, it did admit that they do have that reel to reel and that led us to, to be able to find out that there's more to that that MITRE is involved with. So now our letter to MITRE contains more detailed information. So we're pulling the thread. It's, we're seeing a softening of the soil if you will. And, and we're just going to keep doing that in order to get the truth.

[Martin Willis]

Okay, just a couple of things before I, we move on from that Burleson and Coldheart sat down. I'm hoping this is, yeah, it's going to show up. And he talked about that reel to reel and there's really a lot of information. So I suggest you go on. It's a news nation thing and just look up Representative maybe I'll put that in the show notes for those who may be interested in it. So you got to check that out. It's, it's very, very interesting and I'm trying to stop the share on there. Where is it? Right here. Okay, yes, sorry about that. Yeah, I mean, I thought at least it made some of a conversation. There was only myself and one other question and that was Matt Ford had. He did not have a question. He basically was the only other person and he talked about. He was the only other person that wanted. Was able to talk. And James Fox had his hand up and it was like he didn't get picked. And it's unfortunate. He said he, he said he had. What did he say? He said he had an earth shattering question he was going to ask. And I said, oh man, I'm so sorry. And. But anyway, I don't know what the question was. He wouldn't tell me. Saving it for next time. But it was really great. Matt Ford made a statement, not a question. He had documents that were sent to him that all these things were happening with the orbs and things like that. There was a lot of talk about orbs. So that's it. So before we go into this, one more thing, and I'm sorry I'm hogging the show, we got as much time left as we. As we want here. But I wanted to just show. Here's when I showed the selfie before. It's showing the room, but also you see our friend over there, Ben Hansen, and also Matt right next to Matt Ford. So I had this situation happen recently. It was July 1, in the middle of the night, I got a contact from my car saying that, you know, there was an event. So when I checked it out, it was just so weird. And then I saw what I thought was a figure. So I sent it to poor Ben Hansen, who has his hands absolutely full. Former FBI investigator. And he's on fact and faked in so many TV programs you can't even, you know, you can't even count how many shows he's on about this subject and others. And so I asked him. He does a lot of analysts of films and things like that. He was on his way to Roswell and he still went through the whole thing for me. It's only a minute long, thankfully. So he. Anyway, I'm doing a voiceover of the thing that Ben sent me on his analysis. So this is a voiceover on the film. It's all out of order. Like he talks things that show up later. So just keep in mind the. Whatever it is that I thought was some type of figure bouncing around that comes into play toward the very end. And then I do an enlargement of it and you can look at it and see for yourself. But you know, someone said it was a cat. And then some people said they didn't see anything. It's very hard to see. It's very low resolution. So here it goes right here with my voiceover events, comments on it. Here we go. Hey, Martin. I can see what you're talking about. I think the spheres are moisture smudges. If it wasn't raining, there's probably just enough mistakes or condensation to cause the smudges that seem to be changing a bit with the wind and it just happens to be on the lens. The figure moving inside may not be a figure though, due to low resolution. It's possible just pixelation as a smudge morphs into a new shape. It does look like something with a gate bouncing motion to a walk. So I can see it resembles a person or creature. I'm not ruling that out, although I haven't seen this exact effect before at night. It's possible that the water droplet is acting like a convex mirror and is catching the motion of something like someone else walking just outside the frame of a camera. Think of it like one of those circular security mirrors in a department store to catch shoplifters. I didn't see any corresponding motion or anything in the frame of the camera. Just because the water bends light, it's possible that the curvatures are capturing the motion and not the frame. Not sure if that makes any sense. The bottom line is, yes, it looks odd, but I'm not sure what it is. I hope that helps. Did you see it? Am I crazy or did you see it? I can see something.

[Kelly]

I saw it. I saw it. And you sent it? Yeah.

[Donna]

Look like legs of their legs.

[Martin Willis]

It looks like something bouncing around. But you know, it could be. I. I like the explanation. It could be someone actually walking far away and it catching like a convex mirror does in for shoplifters. How they look weird far away. Maybe something like that, but it was still really weird. And I've had a couple of weird things happen lately and I just thought this was just another one of those things. We're gonna talk about it at Halloween time. Yeah. All right. So thank you all for letting me hog this show. Now I'm gonna keep quiet and I don't know. You want to go around? Do you want to start? Anyone want to start in particular? If not, I'm going to start someone. Go ahead, Kelly.

[Kelly]

Okay, so I would love to hear what everybody's thoughts are on this new UFO council that was stood up to the and somebody jump in. If I'm misrepresenting this but my understanding is it's a council, the White Hook White House appointed, and Avi Loeb's heading it, and there's some big names on there, you know, speaking, which Tim Gallaudet would be really interesting. If you can ask him anything about it. I'd love to hear his thoughts. But Gary Nolan's going to be on it, not Jacques, which I thought was really interesting. And one of the names that has gotten a lot of attention is the fact I know.

[Martin Willis]

Don't say it, don't say it. Michael Shermer, yes,

[Kelly]

and I know we've talked a little bit about Mick West, Martin, but Martin Shermer has Michael, pardon me, Michael Shermer. I'm so sorry. Michael Shermer has been pretty unapologetically awful to a lot of the whistleblowers.

[Jack]

Yes.

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[Kelly]

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[Martin Willis]

Yeah, I think it's, you know, I knew right away there was going to be a problem when I heard Michael Shermer was going to be on it and he was on my show, you know, and Donna, this is years ago. Donna was helping me out from afar. We, I think we met. Did we meet? I don't know if we even met. And she got Michael Shermer on my show. I said hey, I'm going to give you a. I'm going to give you your own email address. Can you shoot a, you know, try to get. She got James Fox for the first time. This is back in 2014.

[Kelly]

Oh my gosh.

[Martin Willis]

And, and I had written James and but I didn't have the stick to itiveness.

[Donna]

The stick to itiveness you need with James Fox. You have to keep.

[Martin Willis]

Oh yeah, James Fox is one hard person too. You know, he was. I tried to nail him down before tonight. Come on and talk a little bit and. Yeah, sure. He gave me. Sends me heart. Yeah. I'm busy doing 40 things at once, you know, very, very. He's self. Admittedly ADHD and, and we all love him for that. We really do. I forgive him. I told him I love. He told me, he asked me if I was really upset at him one time. He said, you know what, you're always forgiven. That's how I feel about James. He's just a character.

[Kelly]

What was Michael like on your show? And Donna, what was your impression in interacting with him?

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, remember, do you want me.

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[Donna]

Remember, I, I wasn't interacting with him. I just got him as a guest. But I remember listening to the show, you know, I think Martin handled. Handled it pretty well. I think they. He was gentlemanly about it. I would say. I don't really. It's been a long time.

[Martin Willis]

It has. You know, I love having skeptics on. I've had four or five of them on Seth Shostak. Mick west has been on two or three times. Oh, I have to tell you something funny about Mick West. This is really funny. So I had Nick west on and I had at the same very same time I. Kevin Day on. And I had Kevin explain to Mick west why his theory was not going to hold water and it was totally wrong. And right in the middle of it Mick says, God, you know, I think you're right. I think he agreed that he was wrong. And a week later I saw him on CNN or something like that and he was saying the same story like he never had the conversation.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Donna]

Went back to a shtick.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. But I mean, I love having skeptics on. I've had another one filmmaker on once that was really. We really. And I got to tell you, Seth Shostak, he's almost 80 now, but he's still sharp. But when I had him on, he was so prepared. I was so, I was prepared and he was so prepared for my questions. It was like he had. Like I said, can't you be open minded enough to think that we. There's. They could have the technology, they could have physics that we don't know about yet. We haven't discovered enough. They could get here. And then he had an answer for everything. He was, he was a prepared skeptic, I should say, or debunker or whatever you want to call him.

[Sam]

And I think for me those people like that give skeptics a bad rap. Because anything in life you need to, you know, except maybe your love for a Family member you need to look at skeptically and. And analyze why you think or feel something and whether it's like a valid input that's it's reasonable to look closely at things and try to examine every angle that you can get at it, but you're closed off to the evidence. We all, you know, we all know where that leads.

[Kelly]

Well, and I think.

[Martin Willis]

Go ahead.

[Kelly]

No, go ahead.

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[Kelly]

Well, I just. I also think that given the history of disinfo and counterintelligence and how much we have seen, whether that was Menzel or Philip Klaas or some people argue that Maybe even Neil DeGrasse Tyson is along those lines. And I think the fact that government Affiliated is already a little bit of an obstacle for people to really feel like there's going to be any inherent transparency. And I think putting Shermer on there, you know, as Sam said, it's not that he's questioning things and being rational about them. He goes in as blindly disbelieving as the tinfoil hat. People go in believing. And to me, sides of the same coin, and neither one is particularly helpful to the field.

[Martin Willis]

Absolutely, 100% agree with that. So I will tell you that Michael Shermer was very polite and he talked about an experience that he had where he thought he saw something or whatever. And then, of course, you know, made sure they was able to say that it was explainable, that type of thing. And I was. I saw. I caught something with James Fox in him on a panel. And it was so funny because he started talking about this incredible UFO that it. You know, that. And then finishes it with how it was explainable and James Foxes. We don't want to hear this stuff. We already know there's a lot of explainable things. What kind of. What do you bring into the table? You know, we went on and on. I thought it was a great takedown. I loved it. It was wonderful. But we do need skeptics. Yeah, we do need skeptics.

[Kelly]

Yeah. But we need skeptics that haven't already made up their mind, just like we need investigators that haven't made up their mind. That's kind of the point.

[Martin Willis]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Jack, we haven't really heard much from you. Sorry, we've been cutting you off all

[Jack]

the time and I haven't been saying much. You're fine.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, that's right.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Martin Willis]

So what do you think about things in the last month?

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[Jack]

I see a whole lot of talking and not a lot of doing, but that's just me keeping it simple. I think it's definitely good to see the ball moving forward, which it is. But I remember Dean Alioto told me last year and it shout out Dean. But it broke my heart and I think he realized it in the moment when we were speaking. But he remember. I remember it was when the congressional hearings were a big buzz, I think maybe last spring. And he had said, you know, in his opinion he felt like the congressional hearings had run their course. And I feel like all the file dumps that we've gotten, which I think is three now and then with this committee coming to light and having Congress people sending written letters to these mysterious hidden agencies, I just think I'm wondering if the file dumps have run their course and I wonder what the next step is going to be. Where's the next big ball that's rolling down the Hill? What do you guys think? Or are we just getting started?

[Sam]

No, I, I agree with you 100 and I think part of something that was telling for me in that last, last dump of from the 12th was the shift to away from military instrumentation toward just home videos, basically.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Sam]

So I, I thought that was, that's kind of, that's them waving the white flag of surrender and saying, you know what, we're not even trying anymore.

[Kelly]

Yeah, I really think we need to lean less on the government and more on some of the institutional knowledge that exists. Sam and I have discussions with some of our friends in this space and I think looking at researchers who've been at this for so many years, there are collections and boxes of information in those researchers possession that I think probably puts most of the material in these drops to shame. And I'm really hoping that we can learn more from some of the community members who have done so much. I remember listening to Jacques at Contact in the desert talk about and understandably a lot of that is still classified. But he talked about panels he worked on 10 years ago, 15 years ago, where they were reviewing literally hundreds of thousands of unexplained cases after they've all been whittled down. And I think that material is out there in the hands of some researchers. And I'm hoping that we're going to hear more people in the community stepping up because I don't think we're going to get a whole lot more, at least right now, from the government.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, I just have to talk about something technical really quickly, Jack. I don't know what's going on, but the feedback's coming through your microphone somehow from Kelly when she talks, maybe from myself. Are you hearing through your AirPods?

[Jack]

How about now? Is that better?

[Martin Willis]

Kelly, go ahead and talk.

[Kelly]

Sorry, Jack. It's probably just because I'm too loud.

[Martin Willis]

Nope, it's not. I don't hear it now. Okay. Okay, we're good. That solves that. Sorry about that, having to do that.

[Jack]

I had the fan on.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, the fan. Oh, yeah.

[Jack]

Well, my bad, my bad chat.

[Martin Willis]

But anyways. No, not at all. Yeah, I don't know about, Kelly, about what you just said, because I have to say that we look to the government for answers. They're like, that's what we're looking. You know, they hold that there. They have that power to, you know, legislate into whatever it is they do. They. They have, you know, we're. They're voted into office, they're there and we look to them for these type of answers. So I don't know if it comes from the private sector, it'd be good, but it would have to eventually get into the government where they would agree and then there would be some acceptance there. And I think there is more than ever now. But still, I think that we need both. We can't. Neither entity can do it alone. Neither all of us or them separately can do it alone, I don't think. But I mean, one of the things in all the file dumps and everything that I was concentrating on was that it was all military. And I understand, because they have really good equipment and things like that, and the government releases. The releasing government with their billions of dollars worth of equipment and all that. But. But then it was like, you know, people have better videos than these, you know, and all that. But you can't believe anything anymore with AI and all the tricks people can do. But still, you know, we. We do need all of us. I think. I think it's. What is it they saying? It takes a village. Yeah, Takes a village to move this thing forward.

[Kelly]

I have to say, Martin, though, like the military stuff that's come out, we do know how much equipment they have many different types of sensors that collect all sorts of data. They aren't sharing any of that. They're sharing very conventional information when they have the power to share a lot more. And to me, that is just a screaming neon sign that we're not going to get what we want at this point from them. And if we want to get to a tipping point, we're really. To your point, Donna, what you were talking about with Leslie Keane, if we want to get to a point where people aren't apathetic, we. We're going to have to do a lot more on our own because clearly they're not going to offer up. And I could be the crazy nutto in the. In the corner, but I don't trust a lot of what the government's telling us at this point, to be very honest. And I don't know many people who do. And I think in order to get things from them, it's going to have to be behind. They're going to have to be up against a wall. But yes, Jack, sorry, when you had

[Jack]

said I don't really trust our government a lot. One clip that I just saw, America's for Safe Aerospace recently launched their podcast and they have one single YouTube short that's available on their channel. And in that clip, he's talking to an air traffic controller of. Dude, Martin, you. Martin and Donna, you guys literally saw the balloon get shot by.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, we were right under it.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah. When that was happening. I don't know if you guys have seen that clip or remember it, but the air traffic controller in his interview with Ryan Graves is literally saying there were a bunch of other actual UFOs and orbs or something, or metallic orbs that were flying craft in the air at that same time that actually never got reported by our media. And there was a whole nother you actual UFO side story that wasn't a balloon that was happening at the same time that that balloon was flying through the country. That was the vibe that I got. So if we're being fooled at that level. And at that time, I had no idea that was even happening. And I just was thinking it was balloons. I mean, man, we're never. It's just. It's going to be difficult.

[Donna]

Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

It's almost like a distraction in a way.

[Sam]

You have to ask yourself, though, would the government say something was a balloon if it wasn't a balloon?

[Kelly]

They've never done that.

[Donna]

Never ever.

[Kelly]

Never ever.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. Yeah. So I want to thank everyone that's in chat. Thank you all for being here. We have, you know, a pretty good group of people. People. And if you have any questions for us, we'll gladly answer them, but please do put them in caps so I happen to catch them and I can pull them up on the screen just like going like right here. I can just pop that right up. So if you do have a question for us, please do put it in caps and we will pose it. Just if it can kind of keep along with our topics that we're talking about, that would be great. Go ahead, Jack.

[Jack]

Real quick before we go on to the next thing. Speaking of UFO news on podcast ufo, you just had Ronnie Verneon from Brazil and did he say something about 26 different alien being chases in Brazil? Did I hear that right on your show?

[Martin Willis]

I, I think that was, I think that was it. That was like, he's crazy. He's done some great research. He's a great researcher, very level headed and he likes the science aspect of the things too. So he's not going to go off the rails like, you know, someone that might want to pursue a little, oh, I don't know, extra attention.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

But it's all good.

[Jack]

Yeah. That was pretty wild. I was, I hadn't heard of that case or I forget that. Do you remember this name of the

[Kelly]

city he mentioned in Brazil?

[Jack]

It was a city I hadn't heard of.

[Martin Willis]

No.

[Jack]

I'll have to look back at the recording. But folks in the chat check out that interview.

[Martin Willis]

It was pretty good.

[Kelly]

Turn it. I was driving kids so I missed it. I'm gonna have to go back and watch it.

[Martin Willis]

Thank you two for being here. And you just did a trip across country. Was there anything interesting you can talk about at all? You were over in Colorado.

[Kelly]

To be honest, part of what has me really thinking about just there's so much institutional knowledge out there that I think is sitting in places like where we went. There are a lot of people were standing on the shoulders of giants and people who did a ton of work in kind of the previous generation. And it was a time where, you know, you didn't do a grab of files from a research visit to NARA and throw them all up online as somebody might now. Exactly. Jack Stanton Friedman.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Ryan woods and his dad Bob, Linda Moulton Howe, Richard Dolan's old stuff. That there are so many people that were doing that incredibly hard work and just anecdotally, you know, research projects I'm working on with some colleagues. Like we've got a list of targets right where we've, okay, we need to go to NARA and we need to pull these different record groups and I'm realizing a lot of that material is sitting in the files of these incredible researchers that came before us. And I think really hoping there can be something done to organize and consolidate a lot of that wisdom that sits out there. Because again, even with some of the stuff that we saw this week, there's nothing I can really speak to specifically yet. Just because we have a bit more to do before that. But I think it blows. What, what's been in those three file dumps out of the water.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's good to hear. So we do have a couple questions in chat. I'm just going to pop them up here, hoping that it's on topic. Do you all think it's likely multiple civilizations visiting us all the time or just one.

[Kelly]

Said one and now I totally think it could be multiple civilizations, which Sam's gonna look at me sideways for and another reason for him to think I'm crazy. But I, I really think it's possible at this point.

[Martin Willis]

And Diana?

[Donna]

Oh, I, I, I think it's multiples civilizations. I think they've been here the whole time, precede us, maybe seeded us, maybe somehow manipulating us as time goes on. That's what I think.

[Martin Willis]

I think it's, if I had to give an opinion, I would think that it's possible that there's many things and I love the explanation of maybe it's something that we couldn't understand with what we have to work with. But I also think that, I think it's a, it's very possible that it could be somehow extraterrestrial through another dimension. I know that sounds weird, but it could be something along that lines, a way of travel somehow in a time manipulation type of situation. So I, I just think like, I think Jack or Kelly, you said someone said you have to be open minded, you know, you can't just have your mind made up. Maybe it was Sam who said that. But it's, it's like I feel like in order to keep looking at this topic objectively, you have to have an open mind and be willing to accept that it could be likely a whole bunch of different things.

[Sam]

And I guess I'm not even willing to say that the idea of a civilization or a species would necessarily be even meaningful to whatever this is. Due to what Martin was saying, this could be so unimaginably different from anything we've conceived of, that whatever they are they, who knows if they identify as a they or how they present themselves to the world to, you know, to our world or, and I guess So I think it's as likely that there could be a multitude of different entities for lack of a better different types of entities. I think it's as likely as the as they're being one sentient plasma.

[Donna]

Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. Jack, do you have any opinion on

[Jack]

any of this listening to everybody talk? Martin, you have this story that you love to share that I think makes a lot of sense. It's relatable to this question. The that Air Force pilot you met who flew in the Vietnam War and you had asked him. I can't remember what the question was, but his response to you was something like he thinks whatever the phenomenon is, he thinks we're just a petri dish. Like, oh yes, yeah, we're being observed and tested and whatever. I always found that kind of stuck in my mind for a little bit because I could absolutely see that being of one of the many different outcomes. But if there's more than one, just odds and probability and math and statistics with how big the universe is, I would be lean more towards it's definitely multiple and there's maybe more than just one other thing going on. But we lump it all into one bucket because we're not smart enough to know what it is yet. Maybe one day we are.

[Martin Willis]

Well, just for telling the story because a lot of people haven't heard the story, but it is. We have feedback. I'm trying to figure out how to stop it. I'm going to mute a couple mics and see if at least we'll stop right now.

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tremphiradio.com okay, and I apologize to those that are long listeners that have heard this story a few different times. But okay. Back in the 1990s, long before I was even looking at this topic, I as a child or whatever, I would see something every now and then, think it was interesting, but I didn't really have an interest like I do now. So I had a real I'm not a real estate agent. I had a insurance agent come to the house and I was buying a life insurance policy and we got to chatting after I filled out all the paperwork and everything and he said to me, basically says yeah, I was in, I was in Vietnam. And I said oh really? I said boy that must have been terrible. He goes, no, not what I was doing. I said, well, what were you doing? And said, well, I was in the Air Force. And he says, and I had a very interesting job. And I said, well, what was that? He said, I was in a special task force that was looking into why UFOs were showing up during napalming and all types of situations. And I said, what? You know, like. And he says, yes, and they're very interested in our nukes, too. I said, what do you mean our nukes? Like our nuclear power plants, our nuclear warheads? He said, yes, both of them. And it went on and on. So it was a fascinating conversation. And I hadn't really thought about anything at that point. So we were all wrapped up, and at the end of the day, he was heading out the door, and I said, hey, by the way, you know you worked with the government, right? And he said, yeah, for the Air Force. But I said, but it was through the government. I said, what does the government think these things are? And then he just looked at me and he said, well, they think we're a petri dish. And then I said good night to him. We went out the door and I've been trying. I know what his name is.

[Jack]

Bauer.

[Martin Willis]

Tom Bowden. His name is Tom Bowden. He was a real estate broker. And I can't even find an obituary. Nothing. I can't.

[Donna]

Insurance broker.

[Martin Willis]

Insurance broker. And I just can't find the guy. I would love to talk to him again. Wow. But that's the long version. Sorry, Jack.

[Jack]

Such a good story. Such a good story. Shout out Tom Bowden before.

[Martin Willis]

Wherever you are, Tom, call us, please. Hey, by the way, I do have a call in number, but I don't have that with me right now. But I do have a setup for Collins that'll be coming up. Go ahead, Jack.

[Jack]

So, piggybacking off of your story, Martin, let's tease that out a little bit. What would you guys think on the stream here? Like, if that was true, if all we were was some kind of someone else's experiment, just like we do in, like, biology class in high school, learning whatever it is that the subject is for the day in school, like, what if that's all we really are? Would you guys even care? Would it hurt your ego at all? Would you even think twice about it? Or would you not really care? I don't know.

[Kelly]

It's a great question. It's a really good question.

[Donna]

Really good question.

[Kelly]

Before we move on to the next thing, I just want to put out there. Martin. I don't know if it's okay for me to give an email address or not, but sure, anybody out there has a grandfather or an uncle or even themselves or a grandmother who was a nurse at Wright Patterson or anything. I mean, I do think that there is such a shortage of focus on that primary source material. And I'm such a research nerd. And if anybody has anything, please send me an email justkellyrightday.com I would love to hear anything that anyone has. And I'm trying to put more work into that research end of things. It's become a real passion since I made my first trip to the archives and so just wanted to put that out there in case anybody in the chat or listening has a box in their garage.

[Martin Willis]

Okay, let me just tell you what my feelings of the petri dish are when I think of the petri dish. And I did write something in high school and I got an A on it, which was kind of rare, but it was an essay on races around the world. I said that we were seated by different planets in the, in the universe and to see how we'd all get along together. And I know it's a crazy thing, but when you're in high school, it sounded interesting and so I kind of get it in that way. The petri dishes that were being watched and we're seeing how things develop. But I don't know if it means that we were seated or whatever, but that's kind of the feeling that I get what he meant by petri dish. I could be totally wrong. I'd love to be able to ask him, but I don't think that's going to happen. That's kind of what I have the feeling he meant by a petri dish. Now, we did have this other question right here. I don't know if anyone wants to read that. It's. Other than a government official, is there one person that could say to the world aliens or interdimensional beings, time travelers, etc, exist that the world would say, okay, I guess it's real. And I don't think it's going to be a president. I don't think it's going to be a leader of a country. I don't know who's the most popular person in the world? Would they even believe that person? I don't know how you'd even gauge that.

[Jack]

You need the proof. You need the proof.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Taylor Swift, Mr. Beast.

[Martin Willis]

Did you say Mr. Bean?

[Kelly]

No, but that would be great, too. Personally, I would press Mr. Bean over Mr. Beast, but that might just be me.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Kelly]

Really. I mean, like, honestly, somebody like Joe Rogan would probably, like if he had evidence, would probably. And I don't. This is not a personal opinion, but I just think in the zeitgeist would probably carry more, more weight than a president would in terms of people believing him. I don't know.

[Jack]

I think Shakira. I think if Shakira gave disclosure to the world, like if it's one person who I'd want to be an ambassador for planet Earth and all of us humans, it would be.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, I see a lot of, A lot of people putting out there that question, like, who would we have represent us as? Who would be the representative of Earth? You know, that would be. Boy, can it be someone from the past that's dead. We can bring him back to life like Gandhi or someone. I don't know.

[Sam]

Yeah, I think that's a hard question because for everyone that takes any individual's opinion as gospel, there's another person for whom that, that messenger is the antithesis of anything they would believe. Whether it's a religious figure or a political figure. It's divided by. Whenever we're divided by religion, by party and by country. So there's going to be something, some fatal flaw with every human, I think that would preclude them from being accepted universally or even, even by a majority of people, whether or not they were. They had the goods.

[Martin Willis]

That's right. And you know, they talk about this, what do they call it? I forget the soft disclosure. And they. What's the other crap? Catastrophic disclosure. That's what you know, would have to be like a landing like you see in these movies where it lands different craft land all over the world at the same time. And you know, of course they're going to take us over and you know all that start eating us for dinner,

[Jack]

eat us for lunch.

[Martin Willis]

Yep. I don't know. I really don't know. I don't think it's a single person they would listen to. So I guess that's the best we can answer that.

[Kelly]

Yeah, I can't think of them so either.

[Martin Willis]

Yep. Here's another question here. Can each person on the panel describe the one biggest story or new news event they feel was better than the rest? I'm thinking is this over? Over the.

[Jack]

Probably overall. Overall of all time. Yeah.

[Donna]

I don't know.

[Jack]

Let me think, let me think. If it's of all time.

[Donna]

UFO related, I'm guessing.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Donna]

Right.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

About UFOs yeah, probably.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

Wow. I think he stumped us. Thank you, Paul.

[Representative Eric Burleson]

I don't.

[Martin Willis]

I don't know.

[Donna]

The big.

[Jack]

Thank you, Paul. Oh.

[Kelly]

He said, overall, just sticking with the theme of research. I. It's the most obvious answer, but I would say Roswell, just because there is so much research that has been done and there's so much material out there related to it, and there are things

[Martin Willis]

going on right now. There are festivals going on right now.

[Kelly]

I know. I didn't realize it was now when you said that Ben was down there. I was kind of kicking myself that we came back from Colorado rather than just continuing to drive south because that would have been so much cooler. But, yeah, they're just people that did the work and got the firsthand witness testimony before those people were gone. And we've got a lot of material to go on there. I'm sure that there are other cases like that out there. We just need to gather bodies of evidence as large.

[Martin Willis]

Okay, mine is the. And I've said it many times, the Ariel phenomenon. The Ariel school incident. That's my number one go to. With John Mack coming in and interviewing, doing such a wonderful job. Everyone did a wonderful job. The teachers, right away, all right, everyone draw a picture that was. That was brilliant. And who would have. That could have been skipped. And that probably would make all the difference right there that we wouldn't be hearing about this all these years later. And those kids. There was one person that said it was a hoax and then he. He did it. He was called out. That. And actually Randall Nickerson actually had the film of him talking about how it affected him. So it affected some of them emotionally. Obviously it did with him. And he tried to walk things back and stuff like that. But the witnesses are just incredible, articulate. They've changed everyone's life all the way through. And I think that's a great one. Any. What about you, Jack? Do you have a particular case like the Nimitz or anything like that?

[Jack]

At first I thought it was like the event that had the most influence of all time, like, on the topic, but it seems like it's just in our opinion, like, what's better? I thought, I guess maybe what comes to mind would be like that Phoenix Lights UFO event in 1997. Just because there was the whole city and like hundreds of people or just thousands?

[Martin Willis]

Thousands.

[Jack]

Thousands, yeah. Excuse me. Thousands. Like that's a big deal. Like, that's a lot of. That is a huge sighting with so many witnesses. Like, wow, you can't explain that.

[Kelly]

Totally Unexplainable, including Kurt Russell.

[Martin Willis]

Right, that's right.

[Donna]

That's right.

[Martin Willis]

And I had. Is it Marcia Barnett who took all those calls? I had her on my show and it was she, that's such a nice lady. And, you know, she took. In the last few days, she took over 900 calls. These people are wanting to know what it was. So. Yeah. And so many people did not call. You know, there's so many other witnesses because everyone was out seeing the comet. They were out and there was some people filming. But a lot of the film you see is flares people took later on when the real flares went out, you know, which had nothing to do with the sighting, Unfortunately. And there's Dr. Katai. She. It's iffy whether hers or the flares or not. So. And, but anyway, I think.

[Jack]

Is there any footage of it, like.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, yeah, there is. Yes, there is. Yep. I remember who, who got that. But there was some.

[Jack]

I don't know if I've seen it.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, I'll have to. I'll have to actually talk to the guy that's involved in that out there. I'm still in touch with him. He's off often. He's in our chat. He comes to our chat a lot. But anyway, I'll check into that because I am planning on something next year because it's the anniversary. It happened March 13, 1997. So March, I mean, yeah, March 13 does not land on a Tuesday or Thursday. But I'm still going to do something for the anniversary. I already have people lined up for it. One of them is someone that's. He was in the very first James Fox film Out of the Blue.

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tremphyaradio.com or I know what I saw. I can't remember which one is the first one and he's never talked about it since. He's going to be on the show supposedly same day, but anyway. Yeah, I love that one too. That's in the top five of my

[Donna]

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[Martin Willis]

Rendlesham's good.

[Donna]

I like rendlesham because 1980 sort of. I was around then and the military because it was military observers. So I'm rather fond of that one yeah.

[Martin Willis]

So we haven't talked too much about the latest file dump, but I know there's. I know what I wanted to talk about. I don't know if anyone. It seemed to me that they were talking about the orbs and the mothership and all that. Has anyone looked into that particular one at all?

[Sam]

Yeah, it was. It was interesting to me. I hadn't. I think I had heard a brief mention of this, but it's one of the. I think it's one of the later documents sequentially in the drop. But it's. It's an unclassified memo. So I don't know if that means it was distributed originally unclassified, or if it had. Was classified and has since been declassified, I guess. Unclassified. Well, anyway, yeah, so it was. It was federal officials, federal agents that witnessed, at a secure location somewhere in the west that witnessed this glowing mothership orb and kind of, in their words, that spawned multiple smaller orbs and lingered for hours. And this memo is from Arrow, so take from that what you will, that they ruled out any of the obvious things. They ruled out. Let's see, I took some notes here on it. They ruled out misidentified military exhaust because it was. It would have been at the wrong altitude. And. And the objects were silent. And they loitered for too long, probably. It could have been consumer or military UAVs again, because they loitered way beyond battery limits. What. That we understand. So they were there for too long, I see.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And they could have potentially been flares. Except all the people who. Who reported this, who observed it were very well acquainted with what flares look like. And again, they didn't. They were there for too long. They didn't think it was likely that it was natural or atmospheric explanation, like ball lightning, reflection, refraction, satellite flares. They didn't think it was a foreign intelligence platform, again, because it was so obvious. Any effort to conceal its presence or do anything kind of, that would indicate that. So they basically left it at. It could be unrecognized technology, which is what Arrow uses as a placeholder for the percentage of things that resist explanation. So they didn't say that it was UFOs, but they said a lot of things that it's not. And the people who reported it, it's eyewitness reports from reliable, allegedly reliable observers who didn't, weren't able to get any sensor documentation of it. So it's just. It's. It's a story, but it's a story from a Reliable source and was, you know, kicked up the chain of command. So that says something about the veracity of the report. So we don't know what it was.

[Martin Willis]

Now, was someone talking about the 1952 incident? Did someone talk about that earlier?

[Kelly]

We brought it up earlier, yeah. But I think before we went live, maybe.

[Jack]

Yeah. Oh, I think you're right.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. Because there were some. I think there was some talk about that. Well, I know Eric Burleson talked about it during the forum and yeah, that's always. That's always. That time is what, you know, spawned the Robertson Report. That was in 1953 because it was just such a wild time. Not just over Washington, but that was such a year of. The year of the flap or the year the cat commits. The year of the flap was 1952, with just so many things going on. Anyway, I thought that was.

[Sam]

Panel was actually in this release as well.

[Martin Willis]

Oh, is that right?

[Tab Ramos]

Wow.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. Now, what about the. Did anyone look at the potato shaped craft in Fort Carson, one that they

[Kelly]

had horrible mock up of?

[Martin Willis]

Yes. Oh, look like Mr. Potato Flying. Oh, sorry, I have took everyone out.

[Jack]

Yeah, that was good.

[Kelly]

I thought the story was interesting. I just think that, yeah, that mock up was probably not doing it justice if I were the person who had reported that I pissed off. That's the way.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. Makes you wonder if that's to belittle it a little bit or, you know, soften it a little bit. So. I don't know.

[Jack]

Could be. Could be. Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

Well, I guess what we'll do is we'll do one wraparound about it's going to be good to be back in another month to do this. It's probably going to be on a Wednesday night. That's better for you too, right? So Wednesday night most likely, we can make it work. All right. But it's been real fun having you on. I think it's been kind of a positive month and it just seems like, you know, I don't know what the next release is going to be and maybe eventually we'll actually see some really good stuff. I hope we do. Go ahead.

[Jack]

Me too. Yeah.

[Martin Willis]

Anyone, last statements from anyone here. We did our hour.

[Donna]

I think we're moving forward. I mean, three years ago we went to the first cricket congressional hearing and now they're, you know, we met some people in the line. Now they're up there talking about it like, let's put it out there. I mean, I wish it would go a little faster, but it's going. It didn't used to go Anywhere before people did eye rolls. And now it's.

[Kelly]

Yeah, it's a really good point, Donna.

[Donna]

Yeah, it's moving.

[Martin Willis]

So we have one more question. Shall we take a look?

[Donna]

Okay.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah. Last question. I. Speaking of mit, Lincoln Labs, any ideas why they would have a video of MH370? Wow, I didn't know that. I don't remember him saying it. Brolson. Oh, I remember him saying something about Lincoln labs requests with it with the 1952 recoding. I think probably recording, but yeah, recording. Okay.

[Kelly]

About that video that they have of the military, I don't know if you said general or colonel, somebody giving a presentation to scientists. And Jack, that's what you had mentioned, I believe, before we went on talking about the night it was at least adjacent to the 1952 flap.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, all good. Okay, Jack, any last thoughts?

[Jack]

I'm just gonna share some. Love to the chat. So glad you guys joined the live stream today.

[Sam]

I wonder. Yes.

[Kelly]

Yeah. Thank you so much.

[Martin Willis]

Yeah, thank you all for being here live and thank all our hosts for being live too. It's always nice to be live. But no, no, thank you for being here. It's been a lot of fun. And so we'll be back in another month. First of the month, first Wednesday of the month or if Thursdays work out, it's. It's better in my world because I always, I try to have things on Thursday but if it doesn't work it'll be Wednesday. So check for Wednesday, Thursday. If you subscribe to the channel, just click on the little notation bell and you will get a notification. And Also on podcast ufo.com we have a newsletter. It's a free thing and it comes out just once a week to tell what's going on, latest blogs, who's up for guests and things like that. And so don't forget to come back on Tuesday, July 7th. And it's going to be a pre recorded show. I'm recording tomorrow with Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet. We've been hanging out a little bit in contact in the desert. We got to see him in Washington D.C. well, and I thought he did an excellent job in the panel. So check that panel out. That panel is on the YouTube channel, this YouTube channel and that's. I recorded that from the second row using two iPhone cameras, believe it or not, the iPhone, Max. Anyway, thank you all everyone and thank you like Jack said, for everyone in chat and it was a good night and we'll see you next month. And we don't really have to say keep your eyes to sky because this is headlines so we'll just see all next month. Goodbye everyone.

[Kelly]

Bye everybody.

[Sam]

Thank you so much.

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