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768. Marc D'Antonio Latest UAP File Drop Highlights
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Astronomer and veteran photo/video analyst Marc D’Antonio joins Martin Willis to examine highlights from the 40 UAP files released by the government on July 10. Marc analyzes several intriguing images and videos, including possible aerostats, balloon...
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Hello, this is Martin Willis, your host. Tonight we welcome back astronomer, longtime friend and veteran photo and video analyst Mark d'. Antonio. We're going to examine some of the most intriguing imagery highlights from the 40 UAP files released by the government on July 10. We'll explore what the footage may actually show, what crucial data may or may not be missing, and whether anything in this latest release can truly be considered anomalous. Don't forget to visit podcast ufo.com to support the show. For just $2 or more a month, you can enjoy an ad free audio podcast listening experience. And while you're there, make sure that you check out hundreds of fascinating historical blogs, all written by Charles Lear, covering really remarkable cases, forgotten chapters, and the long UFO history of of the phenomenon. So make sure you go over@podcast ufo.com and I want to thank everyone that listens to the show. Thank you all in chat for being here tonight. And this is a Thursday night. We do shows on some Thursday nights. That's how I put it. And so I do appreciate Everyone that can be here tonight and also next week. I do believe we have Darcy Weir coming up. I'm really excited. We have our first rocket scientist, I think it is coming up. Mike Gold will be coming at the end of August and we have some great guests lined up. So keep checking back. If you want to get our newsletter, all you have to do is over@podcast ufo.com Just pop in your email address over on the sidebar for the weekly newsletter and it'll give you updates on the latest blogs and the latest guests. It's sent out only once a week and it goes directly to your emails. I don't even know your emails. I can't even get to emails, so be never. What I'm trying to get at is there's no spamming involved here. Your emails won't go anywhere but without in our, in the system and for the newsletter only. So I'm ready to start the show with my friend Mark. Always nice seeing you, Mark.
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How you doing, Martin? So good to be here.
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Yes. Glad you made it again here tonight. And we're, that was close. And yeah, we're coming from Connecticut. You are there and you've been a real busy guy. So when you said you can do this, I was, I was rather impressed about being the king of winging.
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Yeah. Well, that's okay. I mean, you know your stuff or you don't, right? I guess so. You gotta know what you're talking about. I guess. But I will say that from here in the ship in Connecticut, I can tell you that the skies are just as cloudy as they, they probably are. By you. I'm not sure.
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Are you talking about the fire up in Canada? The fire? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I'm gonna see if I can post this because I got the most incredible shot of the sun the other night.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I remember back in years ago when I was really young, I was in California.
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Yeah.
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In Southern California in area. And I worked as a ranger in a park. And I was only, I think it was 22 years old. But I remember I used to climb up in the Chaparral hills and look out toward the Pacific and the sunsets were like I've never seen in my life. And it was all due to one thing. And you tell me what that is.
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Smoke in the air.
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Right. Pollution. Was pollution, actually before they really started cleaning up.
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Yeah.
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But it made for the most beautiful sunsets. But so we had the release on July 10th and I think it was off somewhere busy and I didn't really get a chance to look at it. And I have reported on a couple of the releases before. Have you had much time to poke around in the release?
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I've looked at some of them, yeah. And one thing right off the bat I can tell you with 99% certainty is that many of them are not UAP.
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No, I saw that, but.
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But I want to point out that the reason I'm in the mix may not be to confuse the issue or to add subterfuge or any kind of conspiracy, but simply for another reason that people don't think about having been in that world for decades. I can tell you that many times the objects aren't classified, but the technology used to capture them is and that throws them in the bucket. So if they see a, like a balloon cluster flying through, which undoubtedly you'll probably show, then it turns out that, you know, the technology used to capture it was the classified bit and that's why it ended up in that bucket, even though they're just ordinary objects.
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So, you know, that's a really good point because I know they've brought that up. They had to redact a lot of their readings on the screen.
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Yeah.
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And you know, that does make sense. And now, you know, when you think of it that way, I don't think a lot of people have looked at it that way, but no, I just want to show. This is the sun the other night. I know it's.
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Look at that. And it's just an orange dot and a great card. What are you talking about? Trying to fool everybody.
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Took a long time drawing that perfect circle.
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Right.
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So right off the bat, this is, this is a, an image right here. And I believe this is the NASA image that was released. And you know, what are your thought? Unfortunately, it's blurry and you know, a little blurry around the edges. And I don't know if they get any close ups of it, but you know, you see the sun reflecting off the top. I believe that's what you're seeing. Or this could be a flur. It could be a heat type of thing. But I mean it, it's not, it could. It almost looks like a plane, you know, facing off on an angle, but I don't know what it is. Any ideas? Have you looked at that one?
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Yes, I have and I have an idea what it is. In Arizona, down at Fort Huachuca, people down there are very, very familiar with that type of object in the sky. You know why? It's actually called an aerostat. It's A tethered.
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Oh, yes, I know what that is.
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And if you notice that you can see the vertical fin and you can see one of the fins angled at a side and a dihedral, the other one is out of view. And then you can see the dome payload on the bottom there.
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Okay, those are, those are tethered.
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Yeah, they're tethered to the ground. So they only put them up when the, when the weather is conducive to it. I've gone through Huachuca a couple times now. The first time I'm in Connecticut, so obviously I've been. I was in Sierra Vista, which is right near it. Had friends stationed at Huachuca for years. And so the arrows that there is tethered to the ground. I went. I could see the actual site where it was tethered to. When it's on the ground, you can see it in its birthing position. It's, it's, you know, storage berth. And then when they let it go, it goes up into the air on the tether. But if it's too windy, then what will happen to it is the same thing that happened to it some years ago. Wind took it, so much so that it blew it into a neighborhood and it fell on some houses and they had to remake it, rebuild it. So the aerostat isn't. Thank you. That's, that's, that's my phone. Thank you very much. I'm that guy.
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But.
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So the aerostats then tend to be very fragile. And that looks like an aerostat. You said you could see the sun. Makes sense. It wouldn't have been up on a gray day when there might have been some upper level winds. So it looks to me like an aerostat now. Why was it in there? I don't know why it was in the release. Maybe because the aerostats presence was classified. Maybe the aerostat itself was a classified version. I don't know. But whatever it was, people have to stop thinking that the objects in the view are the classified bit. It may not be true.
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That's very interesting. And I also want to say, can you hear me? While someone was just saying my volume was too low. Is it better?
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I hear you fine.
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Okay. All right. So one of the things, you know, I was thinking when I was looking through these was also that there are a lot of things that are interesting but probably explained. But I would like to our listening audience and our people that are watching. And for those of you who are listening, if you click on the show notes, you can get over to this video. I will post some of the videos, if I can, in the show notes and the images as well. But I want to say this caveat right here to everyone, both Mark and I, because I know how you feel. Mark, we want these to be good. We want these to be unexplained. But there's. If there's an explanation, we should know.
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That's right.
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And that's how I feel about it. I mean, there are so many amazing things that if we go through all these, then we're all done in the night and we come to the conclusion that there's nothing exciting or nothing that could be, you know, an anomalous or unexplained, then that's just the way it is. I mean, Mark, you have such a long background. You're the photo and video analyst for mufon, have been for a long time. Unfortunately, we lost Bruce Maccabee, you know, I think a few years ago. Yeah, yeah. Who, you know, did that as well. But, you know, I gotta just tell this quick story. One of the times I met up with you was back in 2014 in Phoenix at the International UFO Congress.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I drove out all the way from Maine to Arizona and tell them
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that was the thing to do.
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Tell them, don't ever do that. Yes. And by the way, a fan of mine came up at the show and. And said, oh, I've been sick for four days in the hotel. And then the whole way home I had the flu. But anyway, the thing that I was all excited to show you was, hey, Mark, I'm glad you're here. I want to show you this photo. I was just taking a picture of the desert and I captured it. Looks just like a disc. So I brought you the picture and right away you said you looked at it in two seconds. You said, you better check the inside of your car. You might have something. Or the outside of your car. You might have something stuck to the outside of your window. Sure enough, it was a little tiny piece of grass that was stuck to the side and in the picture looked just like that. And that's how I. I'm an appraiser. And when I. People show me something, well, what do you think this is? And they think it's something. And I understand that it's a. Either reproduction or it's not what it's supposed to be. Instantly, just like that. I can tell. And that's how you are with a lot of these things. It's just.
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Yeah, I know. I don't mean to be flipping with it either. You know, I did think that when you were showing me that in Phoenix, but it kind of recalled. I thought maybe it was sort of a setup.
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Like I was setting you up.
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Yeah, like just a fun. And then you're trying to test me because CNN did that to me one time.
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Oh, I would never do that. But anyway, yeah, by now, you know,
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the guy that did Super Size B, Morgan Spurlock, he, unfortunately, he died, but he acquired footage all across the country and then showed up here and wanted me to see whether it was real or not. And I went through all the footage, and everything he had acquired were ordinary objects captured in an extraordinary way, as I say. However, he then said, I have six additional ones that I would like to show you myself. And every one of them he put up. I recognized right away they were all hoaxes. And so I realized he was the perpetrator. He was trying to hoax me. And he wasn't happy. I mean, he was, but he wasn't because he was trying to fool me. And, you know, like I said, I'm not. I'm not. I don't know everything, but, you know, they. They didn't understand the technology they were using, and they're in the business. And so I could see, for instance, that there was one shot that had these three objects, and it looked like a 1, 2, 3, like three discs right next to each other flying through the sky. It was really cool. And I looked at it, and he said, so, what do you think this is? And the cameras are rolling. I said, well, you know, it's unidentified for sure, because I don't know which year these pennies were minted. There are three pennies on a painted glass. And I thought the guy was going to fall off his chair. Oh, yeah, that's right. How did you know that? I said two things. The. The glass will do something to the blue light. And I'm not going to tell you exactly what that is, because then you'll correct for it. And it makes the blue light a little different when it comes to the glass. And I can detect that. And so I realized we're looking through glass number one. And it also induces internal lens, internal reflections inside the glass, which are visible in here with processing. And so that meant that something was sitting on the glass. And based on what looked like the distance to the glass, it looked like nickels or pennies. And his guys were just like. They were so dejected when they left, because I thought they were gonna get me. And, I mean, and it's okay. I'm not saying you can't. I'm not saying it's a big deal if they do. I guess I don't know everything, but it was, that was a funny sequence where they actually tried to, to pull it over on me. You know, I don't like that when they do that. You know, I, I, so I, I was kind of not cruel, but I was just like, very straightforward, a matter of fact, about it, saying, yeah, no, these are hoaxes and you did it.
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You know, one thing I noticed in this last drop, I'm gonna put up some, a couple videos now, but one of the things I noticed in the last drop is they didn't give as much information as they did in the other drops. And what I mean by that is they didn't post where they were taken in the first. I know in at least the first two drops they would say, you know, the Black Sea or whatever it was, or in Iran or, you know, and this is just says military platform. That's all, you know, it really says about it. Taken from a military platform. So I'm wondering why they're not doing that any longer. That to me was a puzzle.
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And the platform that took the imagery was probably classified and they didn't want to give the HUD information out. HUD informations are all blacked out anyway on all the drops. So it's like, I don't know what's going through their heads. They think, well, we'll just show videos. No context, just videos.
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Yeah, that's kind of what they did.
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Yeah, yeah, we'll say this was in Iraq, but that's about as far as we'll go. Where? When? Well, we can't tell you,
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basically saying what year these things were, and I don't think that really matters all that much. So I'm going to start with this one and I believe that we can talk over these.
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That's how I set it up, but we'll see how they go. This one is, I think it was 2015 or so. And here we go. So you can see this thing. I do, yeah, it's. It's finally caught right there by the tracker.
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Okay.
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And now they're zooming in and it looks like a ladybug or something kind of shooting up. Now, I know a lot of things when they're. It looks like they're moving. I know there's this whole parallax thing and all, all that, but that, that was kind of an unusual one. And what were your thoughts? Do you need me to just. I. I don't think I can still frame it, but I can definitely. I'll definitely run it again.
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Yeah, let's see it again. I mean, okay. Obviously they're tracking it. And you'll notice that the clouds are moving, you know, and they're zooming in. I wish you could stop it right
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there, but I wish I could too.
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Yeah, okay.
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I mean, I'll try again, but I don't think there's any. Let me just see if there's. I don't. There's no setting that I can see in here to stop it.
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Let me just see the spacebar.
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Yeah, I can't really do it. That's unfortunate. So we're just gonna have to.
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So when you look at this, I can tell you right now that I can't tell what that is. You know, that doesn't mean it's a UFO or uap, but I can't tell what it is. There's no contacts, no nothing. We don't know if it was a big thing up close or a big thing far away or a little thing up close. You know, we don't really know.
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And it could be taken. These could be taken from a drone. It could be taken from a. A jet. Military jet, yes. Something up in the air. But one of those.
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They are taken from drones many times.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, there's not much more information to give with that one. Let me just see. Also in the chat, if you have anything to add, you'd like to ask questions. Don't forget to put your questions in caps so we don't miss it. Someone said probably a bug. I don't think so, because it wouldn't track a bug. Right. It looks like a bug, but I. I agree. It looks like a ladybug.
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Yeah.
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But it doesn't.
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It was a giant seven feet across. Prehistoric.
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Yeah, I mean, it's awful hard to tell how big something like that is, like you said, but it's probably, you know, feet big, you know, meters big.
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Yeah. It has to be somewhat large. Maybe it's some type of aircraft. Maybe it's a balloon. A long distance. Can't tell.
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You know, and like this person saying low information zone video, too short. And that's. That's kind of a lot of these videos are only a few seconds long. And I didn't even bother to upload any of those because they're just too short. Yeah. And you know, as you said, one of them was definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, a flock of birds. And it was like, why, why would they even, you know, release that one? But again, like you said, maybe it was only classified because of the redacted information on the readings or the, or
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the technology used to acquire it.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't think a lot of people think about it that way, but I'm glad you brought that up.
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I have no choice. I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen that exact thing. And, and one of the programs I worked on, in fact, was exactly that. I, I pictures came into this thing as a ufo, and the official imagery didn't have any data to it, but somebody on the pond, on the lake, rather photographed it flying through the air and said it to me and I went, oh, oh my gosh. That's actually the object, the thing I'm building in my shop for the Navy. So I had to call the program office and tell them that they were getting UFO reports on their, on their thing in the sky. And they said, good, let it, let it ride. Well, no, because then you're going to have five more people bringing 10 more people, and they're all gonna take pictures of it and they might show it doing something you don't want them to see. So I got a letter from them saying that I kept distribute, saying that it was actually one of ours. And after that, everybody went home. They were no longer interested. So sometimes telling the truth is a good idea. And they know that, you know, at this point in time, with all the interest, all the hearings, they know that they should probably at least say, look, this is ours. It's something we're testing
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and we can't
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tell you any more than that. And then they're okay with it.
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Right, right. I'm just seeing, I have not really looked at a lot of these, but this is, this is pretty interesting, this file right here. Now that it, you know, it just says, this is confidential and 1948 through 1949 balloon.
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No, that's actually a, a flying wing, probably a German aircraft that was captured. You see the flying wing? You can actually see the shape. It's like a kind of a boomerang kind of shape with a cockpit.
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Yeah.
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See that? You can actually see the.
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Oh, I do see the cockpit. I didn't notice that before.
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Yeah. And then on the far side is that it's all white, but you can see the rest of the wing is leaning on its right side. Yeah. And if I recall, if you look just, just at the center and to the right, you can see the nose wheel on the ground right by that sharp shadow or that right where the line of the shadow is, that's the nose wheel that you're looking at.
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I can sort of see a curvature there.
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Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm talking about the actual, you can see the nose wheel on the ground. That's what's lifting it up in the air right now. Ah, it's sitting on the ground. And so again, probably a captured German design.
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Wow. Well, they're all fascinating. I mean a lot of these are just really fascinating. In this file right here, this is the first I've looked at. This one in particular, this is a drawing of a flying object, a flying carrot with windows. It does look like a carrot a bit, you know, but I got to tell you, you know, I mean I've had so many people have talked about these cigar shaped UFOs and they talk about windows. And I, I have told this story before, I make it really brief, but when I was in Russia, I was talking to my friend's father, but you know, I mean translating back and forth and the person said that I did a show on UFOs and he talked all about, all of a sudden he got all excited and was talking all about when he was going through a pass in the mountain. The cigar shaped thing floated through the pass. Everyone's car stalled. They all got out of the car and they're looking up at this thing and it said it had windows in it. And then when it moved out of the mountains, everyone's car started up again. I mean one of those amazing stories and this was just by someone, you know, by happenstance that I heard this story. Yeah, that's the one in 48. Sorry about that. Let me just see the others are videos here and these are the low earth images and I, I have a better picture of that and I don't know what people. I have not paid attention to the typical people that we can think of as far as, you know, Mick west and all that, what they've come up with all, all these different things and we're going to get into videos that, you know, we may possibly have the same conclusion as Mick west. But I haven't followed what he has put out on, on these things. And I have to say there's been a couple times, you know, sometimes I get kind of upset at Mick west at the way he just brushes things off and makes, you know, but sometimes he clears things up. He's done that a couple of times and he doesn't have to, you know, no one has to be nasty about these things. But I, I think it's, you know, it's important for us to know what's, what's. I think we need skeptics. It's Just, you know, where they can go and you know, the problems they can cause by going a little too far, being mean, like another particular skeptic that's out there that has been really nasty to people. So I don't have to mention his name, but I have not. No, not you, of course, silly. All right, so I'm not sure.
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Doesn't this. Oh, okay, sorry.
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I just thought I'd jump into this one.
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Okay, there it is.
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Okay, this goes back to different sensors. And this is. That was actually color video on this one in particular. But we can go back. I don't know what happened there, but we can go back to continuing that conversation if you'd like.
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No, we're good. I'm just looking at this now.
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I don't really know exactly what. Okay, this is kind of following that through again.
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Are we over the ocean?
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That looks like it looks like a cluster of something. And this does.
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It looks like a cluster of balloons to me. But I. I mean, it's probably. Maybe it was. Yeah, we don't know. Just if that's water in the background, which it looks like it is, then I'd have to say that, you know, we could be looking at a drone that's actually over land and it's video capturing this thing at some distance wherein. And the sea is behind it. There's another famous case where that happened. And they thought that it actually went in the water when in fact, it was still inland, in my view. Now, see, when they stopped tracking it, you saw it moving, and that movement that it made was in part due to the aircraft motion being reflected in the movement of the object. So if you have an aircraft coming this way or it's looking down. Okay, if it's going this way, looking down, an object right here, the object could be stationary, okay? But this object's gonna look like it's traveling very fast in the other direction. You know, if the plane's going this way, then this thing's gonna look like it's traveling very fast in the other direction, because that's the relative parallax view of it, you know, and that's something that happens with a lot of the videos that I see.
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So I eat the food and everything's going great, and all of a sudden I start to feel this throbbing pain in my throat. And usually I'm like, okay, let's kind of just sit for a second, because maybe I'm having anxiety. Because sometimes there's instances where I'm like, is this an anxiety attack? Or is this actually Anaphylaxis. Like, what is happening here? The pain is getting worse. And it's getting worse and I'm starting to break out in hives, like on my stomach. And I feel like I'm going to throw up. After I threw up, I could not breathe out of my nose or my throat. So I was like, basically suffocating. And I was like, oh, my God, I have to think really fast. I got my epinephrine, did the epinephrine and. And my friend called an ambulance. They took me away. And the next day, the restaurant and I talk and I'm like, what happened? This is my saint dish. And they're like, we have no idea. And so even, like minor exposure can put me in a life threatening situation. Like, what happened that night?
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This is eating interrupted.
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A
Can you explain? A lot of people have heard that word a lot with all these videos. But how. How do you describe what a parallax is? I know it's about the way the movement and the. The way you're, you know, Very simple.
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C
Very, very simple. Extremely simple. By the way, it doesn't. Doesn't. Doesn't this look like I've got like the sinister scientist collar here?
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A
Like, I was wondering about that. The vampire color?
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C
That's my headrest. Yeah, yeah. It's not my. Okay, it's not my Caligula collar. No, no. I wear that only for special occasions.
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A
Yeah, just waiting for the vampire teeth, you know?
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C
Oh, that's good. So you like doing it this way? No. So parallax is very simple.
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Okay?
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C
All you have to do to understand what parallax is. Parallax is the apparent motion of an object in the foreground against a much more distant background. How do you show that? You extend your hand at arm's length, okay. And you use your left and right eyes, so while you're looking at it, you close one eye. Okay. And it's. It's the. My finger appears in front of, in this case, my webcam. I open the other eye and it's on the other side of the webcam. You. You alternately open and close those eyes and you'll see your finger shifting position, knowing the distance to the objects in the background. We can figure out the distance to the object in the foreground based on how much it shifts and our position and its position. If we know where it is, even if we don't know where it is, we can discover where it is by looking at the amount of that shift. I worked in a parallax program, a stellar parallax, for studying stars for four years and in a big observatory. And we would take photographs of stars on one side of the Earth's orbit, one eye. And then the other side of the Earth's orbit, another eye, the other eye. And so the blinking is accomplished by taking pictures at either side of the Earth's orbit. And then now the stars would appear to be shifted against the background of more distant stars. And these stars, this near the same star, would be shifted a different direction, the other direction against the more distant stars. So we could determine the distance very, very accurately to nearby stars out to about 300 light years or so.
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Wow. So
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C
UFOs, you can do that with aircraft if you have a hud, for instance, as we did in one particular case, you can actually figure out the distance to objects in the frame. And I worked that out for one particular case that nobody liked. Nobody. Nobody. They said they considered parallax and dismissed it, which is. I couldn't understand that because parallax actually gives you the answer. So I guess, you know, never, never let good science get in the way of an agenda, I guess, or something. I don't know. I mean, all the people on it were my friends. And I didn't want to ever, you know, I didn't want to say anything, you know, but they did good science until they came up with the determination in my view. And, and so I wish that, I wish they hadn't. I wish that they had taken what I was saying just a little bit more seriously because I think it, I was able to show its path, I was able to show its speed. And the only thing I didn't know was its altitude. And that's okay because it was, you saw the plane that was taking, it was higher than it was and you could see the ground behind it in the distance.
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So I see. Well, thanks for all that. So, yeah, I also have a question to ask our audience out there. And if you're listening to this afterwards and you sometimes watch our show live, the question is for you as well. And you can email me@martinodcastufo.com but I'm looking into a phone system so I can take calls. I used to take calls on this show. It was a lot of fun. We had some really good questions. So the question I have for you all out there and you can post you people that are here live now also you can post in the chat below if you would be interested in posing your questions other than just chat as you do now. If you would like to call in and ask questions of our guests as we go along here. So I'm just considering this program that I can use and take, take people's calls, which I enjoy doing. And I have, I did a number of call in shows only and they were a lot of fun listener sightings and things like that. Lots of fun. Here's a question that just came in here. Is there any overlap this of this week, as in not weak the days, but as in weak, as in not very strong released material and the items requested by Luna and other legislators?
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C
I, I, I do not know the answer because I don't know what was requested. I wasn't privy to those documents.
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47 videos. I think she, she was requesting the release of 47 videos that I may have that number off. But it was something along those lines and she kind of put a deadline out there and I don't know whatever happened to. I went, of course I went past the deadline, but I don't know, I don't know if there's a connection between any of these. If there is, I haven't heard her out there mentioning it on X or anything like that.
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C
So the only overlap in my view is that these are all items that were considered classified and also thrown into a UAP bucket, but not all of them are uap. I also wanted to say I Was trying to remember the name of that German design and oh, here's someone put this right here. Yeah, and so good call and thank you to, you know, C4145 there. I can't, don't know who that is, but that was a good call. That was what I was trying to remember. I couldn't remember the name, but it's a Horton Glider. Was what I was trying to. Hunting my, my primitive brain here.
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A
Yes, someone also was mentioning on that as well. And here's another question here. Has there been anything in the, in any of the releases yet that Mark would consider conclusive or significant as far as UFOs go?
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C
I don't know who Mark is. Sorry, that's. It's Michael. That's a joke, you know. Yeah, thanks for that question there, Baker. B. Baker. So far, no, not because I'm just a major debunker, but because every video I looked at is something that is either lacking information to make any kind of determination, doesn't exhibit strange behavior, you know, like, you know, like right angle movement and stuff like that, or looks like it could be something ordinary captured with infrared systems or low light cameras. So so far no. But it doesn't mean it's not there. What it means is it's not being released. And I think all of you know that. I will say there's. However, using our all sky camera out at observatory location number one for sky to live stream, I captured what looked like a satellite that was brightly illuminated by the sun as it crossed from the west toward the east. Like they go, okay. And as it was going toward the east, it was very bright at the western, you know, horizon. Then it got dimmer and dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as it got closer to the Earth's terminator, the dark, dark side where we were kind of. And as it got near the Earth terminator, it then went and did this, went. It actually made a 40 degree turn and it was a second one with it that did it as well. And there were just single lights that weren't blinking, weren't doing anything. They were just typical satellites until they weren't. I don't know what that was. I can't explain it because satellites don't generally change direction. It wasn't a rocket because it was coming toward us and it was illuminated by the sun because it was very bright where the sun had just set about 15 to 20 minutes, maybe 30 minutes earlier. So where it was, the sun was still up. But then as it crossed more away from the sunset, it got dimmer and dimmer and dimmer and then jetted off at a 40 degree angle. And I was like, whoa, that was impressive. So I can say I've caught something that was actually unknown. I actually showed it on the Y Files when I was. Oh, yeah, I was on the Y Files, you know, basement episode number 10, I think. And you know, you see it and it just moves off and it goes. And it just changes direction. And that's one of those. That's one of those characteristics that makes it not a satellite. Right?
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A
Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's. That's pretty good. So I just wanted to. I'll just pop up this picture because it was. This was a very similar explanation. This is myself on a cruise, a music cruise. And that's Steve, who is. I'm thinking of his last name right now. He's the drummer for the Zombies of the group the Zombies. And we were talking and I told him, you know, I'm an antique fine art appraiser. Oh, that's interesting. And I said, well, I also do something really a little different and that's. I do a podcast on UFOs have for many years. And he goes, oh, my God, we were meant to meet. I said, why? He said, he was up on. They have the upper deck where, you know, nobody can get to and all that. He was up in the upper deck all alone. And he said, this satellite, he said he thought it was a satellite. And he said, but all of a sudden it stopped. And then it did a zig and a zag and shot off. And it was like, I can't believe I'm talking to you today. He says, I told everyone in the band, Colin and everyone all about it. And they're like, okay, calm down, calm down. And here you are. So I try to get him on the show. He said he would come on, but I have not been able to make that happen. Yeah, yeah, I love those accounts. And I. The serendipity of things, you know, the way that often happens.
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But so I eat the food and everything's going great, and all of a sudden I start to feel this throbbing pain in my throat. And usually I'm like, okay, let's kind of just sit for a second. Is maybe I'm having anxiety because sometimes there's instances where I'm like, is this an anxiety attack or is this actually anaphylaxis? Like, what is happening here? The pain is getting worse. And it's getting worse and I'm starting to break out in hives. Like on my stomach and I feel like I'm going to throw up. After I threw up, I could not breathe out of my nose or my throat. So I was like, basically suffocating and I was like, oh my God, I have to think really fast. I got my epinephrine, did the epinephrine and my friend called an ambulance. They took me away. And the next day the restroom and I talk and I'm like, what happened? This is my saint dish. And they're like, we have no idea. And so even like minor exposure can put me in a life threatening situation. Like what happened that night.
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A
This is eating Interrupted.
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This morning, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home, and they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.
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A
Anyway, that's great you caught that. And there's a lot like that, I think, in the words that you just said about this. And that is you don't have enough information to determine. So that doesn't mean you know everyone. Mark's not a debunker. It's just he wants enough information.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So that he can determine that it's an unknown.
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C
Yeah.
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A
What's. Adam. Sorry.
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C
I. I want them to be UFOs as well, but, you know, I'm. I'm looking for them. They're elusive and they're out there. I'm sure the footage is available somewhere. I've received calls in the middle of night from someone that Said I just got a visit from someone who works at a very, very high end government laboratory and they said they saw alien bodies in the lab next to them. And I called this person a week later to have a further discussion on the alien bodies and I was met with.
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A
What are you talking about the same person?
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C
The same person? No, no, I'm, we're not talking about that. Nope, nope, nope.
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A
Wow.
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C
Okay. And I actually haven't talked to that person since. I'm figuring that isn't it. Yeah, it means that the phone was probably being tapped for listening on and so the person had to protect themselves.
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A
Right.
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C
I wasn't gonna call and jeopardize that. So I basically haven't called.
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A
Wow, interesting. So this person wanted to know about the red black object. We're going to be, we're going to be showing that later on today as, as we go through these. So let me move on to another one here. But before I do this, this image right here, this is a NASA image I think from the space shuttle. Now this could be a number of things, but it's kind of hard. Again, there's no real other information from this. We don't know the distance. We don't know much more than. It's sort of like a shape of another space shuttle very far away. But you know, I mean, what can be determined on something like this mark? Really? Not much. Right.
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C
Well the one thing, one thing we can determine is we can get information perhaps from metadata on the exposure and the exposure, say a thousandth of a second. Then we know that the thing was probably either very close to the ISS or Artemis. I'm not sure who this was. Okay. And streaking by, but really we need to have more metadata so we can really get a better handle on it. We can't just look at a photo like this and say, oh yeah, that's a, and just spit that out. We don't know.
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A
Yeah, really hard to say.
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C
And unfortunately a lot of these releases have been that, you know, where we just don't have information to tell us.
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A
Yeah, and that's like, you know, yeah. And I don't know if you're aware of this. I brought this clip up. It's Also on my YouTube channel where I did ask the Andre, Carl Carson and Burleson, Eric Burleson, the question of where's all the good stuff? That's what everyone wants to know, where's all the good stuff? And he, he voiced that he had frustration as well. You know, they, they know there's more there so, you know, hopefully, I don't know what the hesitation would be if, other than that, they couldn't explain what these things are and that they're worried that it might worry the public if the good stuff came out and they didn't have an explanation.
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C
You know, I. I think it's a lot less complicated than. I. I get you wrong, okay? And believe me, I can. I can be wrong. But I think that it may be simpler than that. They go back years later and dig out footage to try and satisfy the UAP clamor that's out there, right? And so they dig out these videos, they dig out this footage, these photos and so forth, and they say, how about this? How about this? Okay, when was it? I don't have to look it up. Well, just release it. You know, it could be that simple in some cases, and then it could be very clandestine, and others where they may say, okay, you want to release that? And then I'll black out the hud. We don't want them to see what. What aircraft was taking it and what type of FLIR was being used, you know, night vision system. We don't want them to know the altitude or anything like that, because then we'll have to show that was a U2 spy plane or something like that. And, you know, so that's the kind of thing that makes it classified. Even though it was maybe a stratospheric balloon or something like that, you had a really good, you know, video that you took of the Chinese spy balloon when it was shot down.
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A
Yes.
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C
Now, I think that's phenomenal.
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A
And you know what's funny about that is I just had to delete that to get these videos. To get these videos up. Here's some stills of it right here. You can see the. The first is me taking a picture of the balloon. And then there's. In the center is exactly when the missile hit it. It doesn't. It's not even puffing yet. It's just the oblong as the missiles going through it. And then third one, of course, is of it after it just got hit. And so you can see the jet
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C
zipping by, and you can actually see underneath it. You can see part of the payload dropping.
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A
Right? And we watched that payload drop. It seemed like forever. That was up to 65,000ft. So when that dropped, you could see the solar panels reflecting in the sun as they were, you know, going end over end all the way down. So I've told the story a number of times that just happened to be Right under the balloon when it was shot in Myrtle beach and had no idea that it was even there at the time. So. Okay, so we're going to move on to a, another video here. This is probably, I'm going to say, the most talked about of all the videos and we'll see what you have to say here. It goes right here.
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C
Okay.
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A
Yeah, this is the one that we have seen everywhere from day one. And they'll come in closer on it.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And so very odd shaped. And you know, there's a, I sent you as a joke there. There's a, a guy that has a huge amount. It went viral that he's saying he's a pilot that shot, shot this and he looks like so earnest and so, you know, like it really did happen. And you know, it's, this is really, really something. And he says, and when we came around and we saw windows with gray alien standing and it was like, oh God.
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C
You know.
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A
But he got like quarter of a million views in a few days so that he served his purpose. Just what he wanted to happen.
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C
Yeah, I don't, I don't think anyone's wants to hear what I have to say about that particular video.
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B
So I eat the food and everything's going great and all of a sudden I start to feel this throbbing pain in my throat. And usually I'm like, okay, let's kind of just sit for a second because maybe I'm having anxiety because sometimes there's instances where I'm like, is this an anxiety attack or is this actually anaphylaxis? Like, what is happening here? The pain is getting worse and it's getting worse and I'm starting to break out in hives, like on my stomach. And I feel like I'm going to throw up. After I threw up, I could not breathe out of my nose or my throat. So I was like, basically suffocating. And I was like, oh my God, I have to think really fast. I got my epinephrine, did the epinephrine and my friend called an ambulance. They took me away. And the next day, the restaurant, I talk and I'm like, what happened? This is my safe dish. And they're like, we have no idea. And so even like minor exposure can put me in a life threatening situation. Like what happened that night?
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A
This is eating Interrupted.
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D
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This morning, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home, and they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa now back to your podcast.
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A
Okay, well, we can run it again. And it is what it is.
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C
All right, well, as you as it gets closer, I want you to notice something about this video. You can see that it's made up of a collection of round objects or semi round objects, and they glint in the sun. Now, you might say, oh, come on, that's crazy. Now you're gonna try and tell me these are all balloons, and I'm gonna say, yeah, these look like Mylar specialty balloons. Some of them are actually shaped like hearts as well. Now, I'm sorry, okay, but were looking potentially at a cluster of balloons, and there's some guy at a carnival who's stamping his feet because that represented, you know, 150 for him to sell these balloons. I mean, I don't know what was going on, but to me, I'm not saying that's what they are just pronouncing it. No, I'm saying it looks like a cluster of balloons. And the reason I say that this type of thing is this. When you see something that looks like a certain thing and you say it looks like it could be a cluster of balloons, that's fine. And I don't say that's what it is. I say it looks like it could be. And when you look at an object like this moving, you'll a lot of people say, yeah, well, none of the other. None of the balloons are moving at all. They're just floating along. Why?
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B
Why?
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C
They looks like a rigid body. Exactly. That's what happens when the Balloons all get into the same air column. Now an air column is a layer of air. And once you get in that layer of air, the air is moving all the same speed in that particular air column, pushing the balloons all the same way. No one balloon feels a net force on it any more than any other balloon. At that point on the way into it, they could be turbulent and bouncing all around, but then they stabilize in the air column. How do I know this? Because I've done hot air ballooning. And when you go up in a
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A
hot air balloon, I have two.
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C
And when you travel in the air column, right, the horizontal ocean of air that you're in for that moment, you could drop a feather from over your head and it won't go out of the, out of the balloon, it'll, it'll just flutter right straight down to the bottom of the balloon basket. And that's because everything, including you, the feather, everything else are moving at the speed of the wind. So inside the balloon basket there is no wind whatsoever. In fact, when you hot air balloon, it gets pretty warm in the basket because there's no breeze. Except when you're changing air levels. And to know what the air levels are, they do something interesting. They lean over the basket and they spit. And when you'll see this big go down, then all of a sudden they go, it'll start moving. And that low air column is the faster moving air column.
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A
You know, go down to it. Yep.
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C
And down to it. Yeah. No, they navigate in an extremely old school manner.
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A
Right.
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C
GPS know nothing, but they, they could, no reason not, you know, so at
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A
the very end, at the very end, when it moves off, what do you, what do you say? Is that like a change in the
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C
camera or that, that looked to me like a change in the camera. It did not look like the object just saying, oh no, I'm being seen and take off. It just looked like the, I mean it was zoomed in, remember? So the slightest movement of the camera is going to make it look like it's speeding away in any other direction. And we don't have the data. So how do we know that the, the, the camera moved? We don't particularly know, but we do know that that's the kind of thing we see when you zoom in. When you zoom in, the slightest movement of the camera is going to make the object you're looking at go far away. One second, please. I know this is in the middle of things, but I've got to grab the door. I'll be right back.
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A
Yep, that's fine. So here's a question here from. Oh, Philip. Philip always contacts me. A nice gentleman who watches all these programs. Thank you for your question. So how can you not believe in UFOs after watching the Experiencers and Corbell's Sleeping Dog movies And what do you two think of the movies? I have seen the Experiencers, of course with Dean Elioto. His, his movie. Watched it actually out at Contact in the desert. I have not watched Jeremy Corbell's Sleeping Dog movies, so I, I have not. Have you watched either of those movies?
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C
No, not yet I haven't. I believe it or not, I have yet to see Disclosure Day. I know, I know.
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A
Well, here's what I got to tell you about Disclosure Day. I did it. I did a report on it last night. So I, I just have to tell you something funny because my, my sister is a big UFO skeptic. She and her husband's not. And her husband worked at Los Alamos Labs and, but she could care less about the topic really, you know, bottom line. So she writes me last night, get a text last night, oh, you got to see this Steven Spielberg movie. I thought he was the whole time Disclosure Day. And so, but anyway, I'm just going to tell you that if you go mark to watch Disclosure Day and you're thinking you're a UFO guy and he made that movie for us UFO people that you'll be disclosing disappointed because that's not really what it is is there's some good stuff mixed in there. Some things you say, oh yeah, right on. That's. That's exactly what you know would happen and blah, blah, blah. But, but it's, it's made for the masses and I, I think it was a good, you know, a good movie. I enjoyed it and I. It's one of those movies I'd watch a second time and that's very few. So, you know, it's fast paced. It's kind of a chase movie people have been calling it. So I think it's definitely worth seeing. Definitely is. Okay, here's Dr. Richard. Why should we keep looking for new cases when we have a thousand times the evidence we needed to prove otherworldly. The otherworldliness of UFOs. It's an opinion he's asking for.
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C
Why do we keep looking for a new case? We have thousands. I think that as the technology improves we tend to, we tend to want to get better data and so we set up more elaborate networks, more sciency stuff to try and capture UFOs doing what they do. And as people theorize how UFOs travel, as I often do, there's certain instrumentation that should be able to prove that and show it and add evidence to it. So that's why we do it, because we're hoping to pierce the veil, so to speak. Right now, the only thing staying between us and them is their technology. And that's the thing that we don't have, you know.
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A
Okay. Well, I wouldn't say he's accusing. He's suggesting that you're not a debunker, but maybe you're a gatekeeper.
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C
Hey, Tony, thank you for the promotion. You know, that's pretty good.
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A
Tony comes in here all the time. He lives in the uk and thank you, Tony, for your questions and, you know, no judgment here. Thank you for. We do appreciate everyone.
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C
No, not at all. I just, I, I thank you for the commitment that I could be a gatekeeper for something. But the only time I was ever a quote unquote, gatekeeper was when I was working on projects I couldn't talk about for the U.S. navy. And when the buck stopped with me on a certain project, I mean, I would not share it with anyone, you know, so it wouldn't get past me. So that's the only time. Well, those days are in the past. I was never in the Navy, but I was a DoD contractor for many years. Still am, actually. I'm working on one right now. But, you know, there's no gatekeeping involved and. But I appreciate the promotion to gatekeeper. That's way above my pay grade.
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A
Well. Yep. Well, you know, you can. It is. It is disappointing. But I, I can assure you that Mark, same as myself, we would love. And Mark has already said in one of these UFO videos that, you know, it's unusual, we don't know what it is. So again, it's just there needs to be more information provided with these. Unfortunately, we do not have that. We do have some people are requesting certain videos and we will be coming up with those. That thing just soared right by. It seemed to. It could have been fairly close, but that. I wish they had more of a still of that. And I'll run that.
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C
The frame rate was probably a little bit lower. So when something moves by, if it's close to the camera, it's going to make a blurred line. At the very beginning, you kind of see it and it looked kind of like a. Again, you're seeing the motion of the aircraft too, and that's something it's trying to.
- [63:25]
A
It's almost trying to track it. It looks like in a way, you know, I mean, it doesn't really. It had a chance to, to, to get, to get it right there, you know.
- [63:35]
C
Right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, but what we look, we could be looking at there is the motion of the aircraft that could have been sitting still in the air, but the aircraft could be moving at 130 knots or more and makes it look like it's speeding by the aircraft. But it may not been.
- [63:52]
A
You know, how could that be? I'm just trying to picture how that would be. Like, if this is heading like toward that land mass and this object was still and. And what is that? The camp? Does the camera automatically say this is a drone? Does the camera automatically try to track something when it captures something visually? Radar.
- [64:13]
C
I don't know what's tracking it. But again, what we got to keep in mind is that the motion, the speed of the object capturing this is also causing it to look like it's moving, this thing's moving fast. When in fact it may not be
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so frustrating that there's not more information. No, no, no.
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C
And everything I'm saying is, you know,
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B
so I eat the food and everything's going great. And all of a sudden I start to feel this throbbing pain in my throat. And usually I'm like, okay, let's kind of just sit for a second because maybe I'm having anxiety because sometimes there's instances where I'm like, is this an anxiety attack or is this actually anaphylaxis? Like, what is happening here? The pain is getting worse and it's getting worse and I'm starting to break out in hives, like on my stomach. And I feel like I'm going to throw up. After I threw up, I could not breathe out of my nose or my throat. So I was like, basically suffocating. And I was like, oh my God, I have to think really fast. I got my epinephrine, did the epinephrine and my friend called an ambulance. They took me away. And the next day, the restaurant, I talk and I'm like, what happened? This is my safe dish. And they're like, we have no idea. And so even like minor exposure can put me in a life threatening situation. Like, what happened that night?
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C
It is true, you know, and if it is a drone, which is very likely, then, you know, maybe it is tracking, maybe it is trying to track this thing in the sky as it goes by. But I think the drone was catching up to it and then turned as it passed it and looked at it. That's more what this could have been, you know, and, and that's, that's unfortunately what you see a lot of the time, you know, is that. And people say, wow, this thing was moving so fast, forgetting entirely that the aircraft was moving so fast and that the aircraft, aircraft's motion is inversely applied to the object that you're looking at. You know, and if it's a farther down in the atmosphere, for farther down toward the ground, it'll be moving slower. But if it's up near you or closer to you, then it'll look like it's speeding much faster. Like that object that looked like an object that may have been, you know, 500ft, 400ft, 300ft away from the, the drone, whatever it was. And there was no, not enough information to know if we knew the speed of the drone, we could subtract it and then figure out how fast the object was actually moving. You know, so that's kind of cool, right?
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A
So I, I want to, I want to play this video again, go back to it because I forgot to read. There's some information that's kind of interesting that went with this particular one and that is this was, you know, submitted to Aaro and 32 seconds of this video would happened in 2020. And, but this is where it's kind of interesting. It's a darker maroonish color, approximately 12 or 15ft in height. And the phenomenon is traveling with the wind like a well, like you said with balloons and noted that it did not maneuver or change direction. It also described the phenomenon as appearing similar to a large, somewhat deformed balloon. So that was in the description of this particular video. Now would someone make an all maroon, you know, all like a mono color balloon cluster? And what, why would they make it? I don't know. You know, I mean, do you ever wonder if people make weird things to try to get attention like this? You know, it seems like a lot
- [69:07]
C
of work, but, but you know, they do. And I don't know if that was what this was, you know. Yeah.
- [69:15]
A
All right, well, here's another one that, here's another one that zips right by too. So here's, I got two of those. And this is this one right here. And someone wanted to know, wanted your opinion on this earlier.
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C
That's a ground target. And they're looking at the ground target when something flies through the field of view.
- [69:32]
A
Yeah, that's a pretty interesting one to me. I think it shows it again. No, I'll just run this one again because you see two, two different objects here. So they're, when you see the red dot on the ground, is that like it's trying to zero in on that one spot? And, and why would there be two objects going through? One goes one way, one goes the other.
- [69:58]
C
I saw that like streak going to the lower left. Well, I really wish you could just stop this. I don't know why you can't.
- [70:05]
A
Yeah, it's unfortunate that they don't have that option here. Yeah, yeah, right. Well, I could do, I can't try to get a screenshot of it, but yeah, that's right.
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C
Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously the HUD has been redacted there.
- [70:25]
A
Yeah, you can certainly see that all the way around. So we have no idea. This looks like a desert, if you had to guess. And that's a very uniquely shaped object that you see go through the field of view from, from the bottom right up to the left angle. Yeah, yeah. So I would call this one a puzzle as again, for all the information.
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C
Yeah, now it's a puzzle because I, I, I'm not sure exactly what we're looking at. You know, sometimes you see the smoke of a missile that gets launched. That's not what I'm seeing there. That streak on the other hand, that looked kind of interesting to me, almost like it was shooting something. Like was it another platform that was actually shooting, you know, down below it, you know, lower in altitude? I mean, we could have more than one object, one or more than one aircraft in the view. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure this thing is loitering on station and circling this target to figure out what's going on. But that is definitely interesting.
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A
Yeah, We have audio. Just blanked out our mics on this here. So. On this. Yeah, so this. Some people have said it looks very much like a tic Tac. Now. It's very hard to see this.
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C
I see it.
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A
Very hard to see.
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C
Yeah.
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A
But, you know, they say it's a tic Tac shape. And again, you need a, you know, more of a still image of that to really figure that out.
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C
When you take a still image of something moving like that, and again, it's, it may not be moving as fast as it appears because you're, you're looking at the, again the inverted addition of the platform taking the image, its speed. So whatever its speed is, you're seeing it reflected in the motion of the other object you're capturing. So first thing you do is you figure out how fast the platform you're taking the pinch pictures from is moving. So you can kind of get an idea of how fast the object is moving in the view. Otherwise you don't know.
- [72:39]
B
So I eat the food and everything's going great and all of a sudden I start to feel this throbbing pain in my throat. And usually I'm like, okay, let's kind of just sit for a second because maybe I'm having anxiety because sometimes there's instances where I'm like, is this an anxiety attack or is this actually anaphylaxis? Like, what is happening here? The pain is getting worse and it's getting worse and I'm starting to break out in hives, like on my stomach. And I feel like I'm going to throw up. After I threw up, I could not breathe out of my nose or my throat, throat. So I was like, basically suffocating. And I was like, oh my God, I have to think really fast. I got my epinephrine, did the epinephrine, and my friend called an ambulance, they took me away. And the next day, the restaurant, I talk and I'm like, what happened? This is my saint dish. And they're like, we have no idea. And so even like minor exposure can put me in a life threatening situation. Like what happened that night?
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C
This is.
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A
Is eating interrupted.
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- [74:47]
A
Yeah, here's a question for you from Paul that helps out in the chat. Thank you, Paul. Do you know how to decipher AI generated, you know, videos? And is it harder to decipher if the. If false? If it's a fake? With AI? I mean, can AI? Someone told me that Grok is really good at deciphering whether something's AI or not. I don't know if that's true or not.
- [75:11]
C
I think that's funny. Use AI to tell if it's AI. Yeah, no, wasn't me. Hey, I didn't do it.
- [75:18]
A
I didn't do it. I didn't do it.
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C
Yeah, maybe Gemini did it. I think Gemini did it.
- [75:22]
A
Yeah. Yeah, I think Chat GPT did it open AI GPT.
- [75:26]
C
Who's that trustable? Well, anyway, yes, as a matter of fact, my, my image and video analysis career started by looking at computer generated and at the beginning, computer generated stuff that was being passed off as actual stuff. And now with AI, there are still tells. I mean, you see a lot of nice, you know, videos online that show dogs hanging tight of their owners who they haven't seen in a long time. But the AI doesn't do a perfect job of making it look real enough. And, you know, I've been able to decipher most of those. And the reason is because the motion is what gives it away. Being a student of a lot of physics, I understand how gravity works. I understand how it. How no gravity works. I understand how that all works. So when I see something violating, like what's in my head, it makes me take a closer look. And to me, it ends up standing out like a sore thumb, you know? And so I think that some of these objects are just that, you know, they're the AI generated objects are good, but they're also. They give themselves away. One of the worst things is when someone takes a fuzzy object with dots and they run it through an AI and say, hey, I think this is ufo. Show me what it is. And the AI says, okay, I'll make it into a ufo. And it adds sharp edges and lines and windows.
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A
Oh, no.
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C
That process. Okay. Although ridiculous in this arena because you. You can't get more data out of a photo than it had originally in it. Okay. That. That data is something that is very important too, because we can use it to iterate on other things that we're doing to try and help us solve riddles and puzzles about the universe. So we can do that and let it within reason. But always check it. You always check the data for AI. Always check your AI data. And in the case of UFOs, you can't ever get an alien UFO from fuzzy dots. You're not gonna. You can't get a sharp image from something that wasn't sharp to begin with. Yeah, you can only refine it a little bit, but you cannot put more data in there than it originally had. That's called interpolation. And when you start interpolating data, you're free to add whatever you want. And if AI thinks you're looking for a ufo, it may make you a ufo because AI does lie to you. I know. Hard to believe.
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A
Yes. It hallucinates too. Yeah, it does. I mean, I've. I've used it in the appraisal world and threw a picture in one time and it was hilarious. What it did with that, I can't remember exactly. But anyway, from Christopher Alexander. Balloons, birds. What I'm interested in is prosaic explanations of what I've seen. Clearly defined discs at low altitude. One time being tailed by an Apache over my city. Why would the government do that?
- [78:47]
C
That's a good question. I mean, I. I would think that the answer is pretty clear. If it's some type of an interloper in our skies, they do scramble and they do go after. And yes, the reason is because they don't know if it's a threat. They don't know if it's a Chinese drone, a Russian drone. They don't know if it's a drone from another enemy. You know, so clearly they have to do their diligence and chase something like that. If it's in the sky, if it's an actual alien craft, there's no way the alien craft could actually, you know, stick around. It could. It can move out of their view at any time it wants. You know, they're actually pretty advanced, and if they work the way I think they do, they're just moving to different spots in the sky instantly, which is why they can be underwater, moving hundreds of miles an hour. I mean, because.
- [79:45]
A
Now, let me ask you this. This just came up the other night in a conversation, and I've always kind of wondered about it. Is there any time element to that idea? Time manipulation? Time manipulation?
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C
Not for the observer watching. It's for the. For anything. Anybody in the craft, any beings in the craft would experience a time dilation, but you watching it would not experience that.
- [80:13]
A
No, I didn't. I meant for the. I meant for the craft itself.
- [80:18]
C
No, if you're observing the craft from a distance, you wouldn't see it move across the sky, and its time goes from one hour to three hours. You know, when it just goes across the sky and three seconds. I mean, you wouldn't, you wouldn't see that at all. You know, in. In this particular mechanism that I'm talking about, the only time dilation would occur if you were in the craft and you weren't an observer watching the craft. Okay, that's probably not a very good way to explain it.
- [80:56]
A
Okay, so this person wanted to know if there's any way they can see your. The sighting that you had, you experienced with this object that you thought was a satellite. Is that available anywhere?
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C
Yeah, actually, right now, if you go and I need to, you know, mention another podcast, but basement 10 on the Y files, basement number 10. I. I show the video as to AJ gentily, and we go through what it was and my view and what. What I thought it was, and you can see the video, and I bring it back again and I run it slow, and you can actually curve in the sky nice and slow, and there's a faint second one following it or trailing it, paralleling it, next to it, and when it curves, the other one curves.
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A
All right. Okay. So what I'm going to ask you, Mark, when we get done tonight, which would be just in a few minutes here, we got another one more Video to talk about. But when we get done, please send me a link to that video and I will post that in the show notes, everything. And they can watch that and the. And the whole show that you did. That's a great, A great podcast. I mean, amazing how many people they get to view that. This is quite amazing of their YouTube presence.
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C
Yeah, they're really good at it.
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A
Yeah. So here is. Here's our final video because someone asked about this earlier as well. It's another very strange one. And this seems like there was another one like this a few drops ago, I'm thinking, or maybe the last drop before this one, it was very similar. And so everyone's calling that the star shaped ufo.
- [82:43]
C
The chandelier thing. Yeah, yeah. Do you want me to talk about now? Okay.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
Okay. Because an identical one like this also shows the parachute that you don't see here. And this is a. What could be a parachute flare of some kind. And in the previous drop or another video, you can actually see it moving because the camera's not tracking it perfectly like it is here. And at one point you actually see the parachute come into the view and you also see a trail of smoke which you do not see here. So the other one had a trail of smoke behind it, which you. You don't see here. But it was an identical object. So I have to think that maybe based on the conditions or how they filmed it. Okay. You didn't see the tail, the smoke tail on it and the smoke trail coming off of it. And. But is it the same thing? You know, almost. Very likely, I think. Very likely. Because the, the first one looked exactly like that and it actually had just the differences with smoke. And then every now and then you'd see this. A parachute would come into the view and then leave, and then come into the view again and leave. And so you're depending on the angle that they photographed it at. The parachute was. It was available to the camera in this particular one, if there was a parachute, it wasn't available to the camera.
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A
So what. What is. What would. What would be having. Make it look like that? The. The.
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C
Yeah, that. The angles that those are called diffraction. That's a diffraction pattern. And it has to do with the, the way the camera is set up. It has to do with the, the design of the camera, the infrared camera. It's definitely a low light camera. In this particular case, black is definitely hot and white is definitely cool. And you can see that the object is shaped like that. It's six sided because it's probably got a six sided sensor possibly in the, in the infrared system. You'll notice that the James Webb Space telescope photos look identical to this because they have six sided mirror. And so the mirrors at the, all the points where the, where the hexagonal mirror segments meet. Okay, that makes it diffraction pattern, diffraction line, you know, and we're getting that here. So based on the sensor, again, the sensor itself is probably the thing that's classified. Not this. Okay, this, this wasn't something moving away at high speed. This was something looks like it's just sitting there. And it could be that it was a, a parachute flare that was dropped and imaged by this sensor. And maybe that's why it ended up classified because of the nature of the sensor they were filming it with. That's right.
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A
So this could, this could be like an upper view looking down of a
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C
parachute flare possibly or horizontal and the flare above it a little bit. But we're actually zoomed in pretty well on this right now. You know, when in the previous, when you saw it in the video. We're enough zoomed in. So the parachute might not have been visible if that's what it was, you know. And then people say, well, I think it's an orb. Define orb. You know, it is an orb. I mean it looks like a round blob, you know, so yeah, it's kind of an orbee thing. But, but define that. What's, what's an orb mean? Is it like a, is an orb a, you know, living thing? Is it a ship? What is it?
- [86:38]
A
Yes is the answer. So just to reiterate, this one right here in particular is more or less an unknown. It comes into focus. Unfortunately I couldn't get a still of it. I didn't, not, not on the fly here does look like a bird or a bug, but of course it wouldn't be picked up and we wouldn't be seeing if that, if that's what it was. And this one here is most likely a cluster of balloons. I believe that.
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C
Yeah. Based on what I'm seeing.
- [87:15]
A
This one here is a, is an unknown. Tonight is a very odd situation. Very geometrically shaped. As you can see it go right through the loop there and then that. I think, in my opinion, it's only my opinion, but I think this is, that's the most interesting one of them all so far.
- [87:37]
C
It is, yeah. So it won't be right until we figure out what it is.
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A
Oh, well, no one exactly. Oh, that's What? It was. Yeah. Flying washing machine. I knew it. Yes. But anyway, Mark, it's been a real pleasure as always. It's always fun to talk to you and thank you for your work and you know, I'm hoping, you know, my hope is that eventually we are going to see the good stuff. I hope it comes out.
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C
I agree.
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A
I don't. I think the world is ready for it. I don't think there's anything to be afraid of if they can.
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C
I agree. I. I think they're ready, you know. So will I see you at Snippy Conference or in Vernal, Utah at Phenomicon?
- [88:13]
A
No, you're not. Unfortunately, I'm not going to make it to either one of those. I. I did get invited to Snippy, but I'm not gonna make that one. But anyway, nice people, all good people. And I see you wearing the Ozark T shirt. I love that. I highly. Yeah, I highly recommend, if anyone wants to go to a great conference, a nice, small, intimate, wonderful conference in a beautiful setting, go to the Ozarks.
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C
Yeah, that was. I. They had me as a keynote last year. I was so humbled. Nice.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Very good. All right, Mark. Well, you take care. I'm just going to sign out from here. Everyone, I want to thank you all for being here. Thank you for your participation in chat as well. And we'll be here next Tuesday. And remember to keep your eyes to the sky.
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Please keep Oregon green this morning. Someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home. And they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.