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Welcome to a Slob Comes Clean, the Podcast. I am Dani K. White. I share my personal deslobification process. And as I figure out ways to keep my own home under control, I share the truth about cleaning and organizing strategies that actually work in real life for real people. Even people who don't love cleaning and organizing. Thanks for joining me today. This is podcast number 492 and I think I'm going to call it Creativity and Clutter. Uh, so this week on the YouTube channel, I have a one hour better session that I do with one of the Patreon people working in her craft space. And I love working with crafters. So a year ago I did a one hour better with a crafting YouTuber and did a whole series of things and it's my favorite. I mean, okay, so I love working with all kinds of people, but the reason I love working in craft spaces so much is that so many naturally creative, crafty people's reaction to the idea of decluttering is that they can't, is that it isn't possible because it's craft stuff. And I talk a lot about the reality of it is not about how good something is. It isn't about the value of an individual item, whether it's monetary value, sentimental value. All of those things play in to the decision of whether or not something needs to stay or go from your home. But they are not the deciding factor, because they can't be the deciding factor. Because if I keep every single thing and each thing has a very logical reason why it should be kept. But the amount of those things are more than the space that I have available or the personal bandwidth. I have to handle that stuff and keep it under control, then there's no hope of my house ever staying under control. So I can't use those as the defining factor. Of course it plays in. Of course who you are plays in of course, your desires and your dreams and your creativity levels and what you're into, all of that plays in, but it has to ultimately come down to the space.
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So I love working with crafty people because I understand that feeling of, this can't possibly work for me. Okay. And honestly, sometimes I. When I. So if you're new here, my story is that I am the person who naturally struggles with clutter and has had to figure out how to get my house under control and, you know, beat all of that. But I'm not a minimalist, right? But I thought, you know, I would hear advice on, oh, the things that you should have or the things you shouldn't have or whatever, and I would be like, yeah, I'm different. But you don't see the value in that item. I see the value in that item. I've shared many times. The jerky gun. My husband loves to make jerky. And it's this. It's kind of like a cookie press, honestly, where you put the ground meat in there that's all seasoned and cured or whatever it is that he does. I don't know. And you use this thing to, like, squeeze out these strips of jerky, and he loves to do that. And I remember seeing somebody, this was not even an organizing person, but it was somebody who was being funny on the Internet. You know how that goes, as someone who makes a living trying to be funny on the Internet. But anyway, they said something about, like, this is the stupidest item I've ever seen. Like, a jerky gun is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Like, nobody needs this. And I'm like, well, how rude. Like, like, we can't. That wasn't even something I was into. I'm just saying, like, that's why we don't do the arbitrary. You know, I cannot. And I'm sure I've done some thing that sounded like this, okay? So I don't want to act like I've never done this, but the whole, like, I try not to do a list of 10 things you should never have in your home, I'm like, you know what? It's different for everybody. It just is. We're all. The thing that you think is the dumbest thing to have is the thing that I'm like, oh, absolutely. I know I'll use it. That's. That's how I got into my clutter mess in the first place. That got me to the point where I started a blog called the SOB Comes Clean that has somehow turned into my job. But what in the world, right? Like, that is how I got there. I have those. I mean, I saw value in things, and then often I ended up using. I was a theater arts teacher. We can use anything. Like, quite literally anything, y'. All. I have a parking meter. Yeah, I do. I have an actual, real parking meter. And some lovely, amazing person who I would love to be friends with at some point had put it on a very short pedestal. So, I mean, it, like, sits on the shelf, so it's got, like, a base, and then it has a little short pedestal, and then it is an actual parking meter. And I mean, when I saw that at a garage sale, I was like, how has this not already been snapped up? Why in the world has no one else grabbed this parking meter? It is a parking meter meter. A parking meter. Who wouldn't want that? That's the coolest thing I've ever seen. So, of course I grabbed it. I don't remember how much I paid for it. And a lot of you are sitting here thinking, who would ever need a parking meter? She's never used it. Why does she have y'? All? I use that thing. When I was a theater arts teacher. That was, like, the best improv prop ever. Now I haven't been a Theater arts teacher in how old is my son? 24 years. But I still have it and I still love it and I'm pretty sure I've used it in props and different things. But I mean the thing is that's the beauty of the way that I declutter is that if I want to keep a parking meter, I get to keep a parking meter, but I can't keep the parking meter and everything else and my house standard control. And so this the no mess decluttering process which by the way, you can get a printable of my five step process at a slob chemsclean.com 5F I V E Get your printable there. You can do that. Also, I highly recommend that you read Decluttering at the Speed of Life because that'll get you the whole mindset and the whole process applied to all the whole house, all that. Right. But this process lets me identify what actually needs to stay and lets me be my unique version of me. Okay, so let's talk about creativity. So I some of this, you know, I know this is podcast number 492. Some of y' all have literally listened to every single one. So I know you've heard this before, but there's always new people and it, this realization that there is a direct link between creativity and clutter was a transformational moment for me in my own desalbification process when I started. And I literally thought, as I know so many of you do because you email me this and you tell me this, I literally thought, what is wrong with me? No one else has these thoughts that I'm having, has these struggles that I'm having. I would look at something like, I mean, not as cool as a parking meter because that's obviously amazing, but you know, I would look at some random thing and think, why, why, why, why am I so attached to this? I wish I wasn't the person who felt that they needed to have this, but I see the value in it. I wish I didn't see the value that other people don't seem to see. And all this thought I was the only one. And so that's why in the beginning it was all anonymous. I was all temporary. I was just going to get my house under control, start writing about something else and. But people started reading Nobody I knew because I didn't tell anybody I knew what I was doing. But people started reading and I found out I was not the only one. And very pretty quickly I saw that the common thread running between all of the people who Said, my brain works like your brain works. My struggles are like your struggles. I thought I was the only one. All of that, the common thread is creativity. Now, I just want to be clear. I know a lot of you will tell me, oh, but I'm a doctor or a lawyer or scientist or whatever, so I don't think I'm creative. You're creative, okay? I mean, you see the world differently. You see the world in ways that I don't see the world. Right? But we all see the world differently. And so this creativity thread, I had so many artists and poets and teachers and theater teachers like I had been, and I mean, like so many creative pursuits, highly intelligent women who would say, these are my struggles too. The realization that there was a link between my creativity, which I loved about myself and which I was thankful for and which I would never want to give up. Right? That there was a link between that and. And my struggles with clutter was transformational in my journey because I learned to accept that this struggle is a legitimate part of who I am. It's how my brain works. If you haven't read my book, Jesus doesn't care about your messy house. That's the spiritual side of things. But I talk a lot about that acceptance of how my brain works and accepting, oh, okay, I'm not flawed, I am not broken or whatever, because this is a struggle. This is just part of it. And realizing that it was linked to the part of me I really, really liked and was thankful to be actually helped me accept it. Which then accepting it helped me move on because I was able to go, okay, so this is a struggle. I don't need to worry about the fact that the people who don't struggle with this, that their advice doesn't work for me. Instead, I just have to figure out what does work for me and my actual brain. Because I didn't want to stay in a state of having my home be a disaster and not be able to find anything and not be able to do the things I wanted to do. But I also didn't want to give up being me to in order to change my home. Right?
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And let's talk about creativity a little bit more. I love the phrase, and it gets said in all different kinds of situations, like I had to get creative. Maybe it's oh, you know, the the most creative dishes that you're going to see made on TV or on those shows where somebody has to get creative, where they're given three weird ingredients and they somehow make them work. Or you have to add this. You, you're they're in a situation that they didn't choose. But then being in that situation that they didn't necessarily choose is actually the thing that when they have that acceptance of, okay, I have to work with this situation, that's when really cool creative things happen. And so realizing that that is when I really feel the juices flowing. Like the creative juices flowing is when I'm in a situation where I am not stuck, but I'm in a situation that I maybe didn't set it up exactly the way I wanted it to be, but here I am and I gotta do this. I loved, I mean, like, I loved the having to come up with something creative to deal with a weird, you know, stage arrangement situation. When I was a theater teacher, I enjoyed. And not that I didn't go at some point like, oh, no, this weird timing or this weird, you know, the way the stage is over here, we don't have a place to put this, so what are we going to do? Yes, of course I had those moments. But then moving from that into figuring out, oh, okay, oh, you know what we could do? We could make the bed. We could have the bedding on top of this thing that when you take the bedding off now, it's a treasure chest or this is literally coming out of my brain at this moment. Right. But those moments of realizing how to solve this problem, how to do this really cool thing in a situation where I didn't necessarily choose exactly all the, everything about it, were generally the times when I was the most creative, when I had to get create creative. Right. And so I want you to think about that as we talk about creativity and clutter, because like I said, I, I, you know, did this one hour better with, with, you know, in a craft room, in a craft space where this is legitimately her business. Her business is based around crafting and so creativity, her business. But also it was at a point where it was hard to get the things done that needed to be done. Okay. So accepting, accepting the reality of a space, accepting the reality of your situation, accepting the reality of what you can actually main and handle is an opportunity to truly act out creativity. And that's where I. One of the biggest realizations that I had was collecting the things to be creative someday is not actually being creative. Collecting isn't creating. Now, I'm not talking about, like collections the way that we talked about, I don't know, it's not been that long ago we talked about collections, right? That's not what I'm talking about. Like a train collection. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying that collecting, bringing things in, gathering items for the purpose of someday being creative is not actually creating. And that was a real awakening for me to come to that point to realize that it may be required to collect items. I mean, if you're going to make a, an art piece out of sticks and twigs and leaves, you got to have some sticks and twigs and leaves and you got to go get sticks and twigs and Leaves. That's hard to say. Yes, of course, you might have to. But the dividing line is whether or not I actually create. Because what I found was I would bring things into my space because in the moment I would think, oh, if I needed a parking meter or I needed a costume or I need a wig or whatever, I would be so glad to have this. So I'd bring all this stuff into my home. It got so out of control that I didn't have the space or the time or the really, the knowledge of what all I had and where it was to actually be able to do the thing. And so it ended up making it harder to do the thing. So it feels like I'm bringing possibilities into my home when I am bringing in the stuff that I might need for some future creative project. But infinite possibilities also overwhelm me. That's going back to the, you know, the cooking show thing where, hey, here's what you have. This is all that you have. This is the limitation that you have. And that's where people have to get creative. And they do amazing things, and you can tell that it gets their creative juices flowing and that they enjoy this, even though it's a little like in the moment. But that is different than looking at all the possibilities out there. And I could literally do anything. Then I'm stuck and overwhelmed by all the things, the infinite possibilities. And often that's when things don't actually happen. So the dividing line is whether or not creating happens. If you're a creative person, the goal needs to be to create. I know, right? Like, duh. But it's true. And. And that's where I had to realize I am bringing in so much stuff that I. It's keeping me from creating. So that, as you say, well, I'm not in a situation where somebody gives me, you know, paint made out of some kind of fruit and, okay, I have to create something like that sounds really fun. That sounds really great. I would totally do that. But I'm not in that situation. So what do I do? Well, you already do have a creativity producing limitation in the physical space that you're in. Like, physical space. The physical reality of a space is a natural limitation. This is the container concept. So the container concept was my realization that, oh, space is finite. Oh, okay. So, I mean, I guess technically I knew that, but, you know, things don't. Shelves don't expand because I want to keep things. And accepting. Accepting the reality of my space was so freeing for me in the ability for me to, you know, get my house under control was accepting that. So, anyway, I talk about that in a lot of different places, but that's what we're talking about here. That physical reality is a natural limitation that once you really, truly accept it, it actually frees you to be creative. So when it's specifically talking about in craft rooms, you know, a year ago, I did one with Kara brandon. She's a YouTuber. And she. And she and I are doing, you know, more talking on her channel about, you know, maintaining and all that kind.
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So you want to check that out. But we were going through her stuff, and it was like all of these things had just been brought in and they're on the surfaces. And she was like, I need to get my craft room under control. So the first thing we talked about was the number one thing that deserves space is the space that's needed to create. She was a junk journaler. Maybe you are a, you know, maybe you're a painter. Maybe you really enjoy paper crafting. You know, whatever. Whatever space is needed to actually do that craft. That is priority space. That, that, that action of doing the creating gets priority space. Sewing anything that is creative for you, like, that means that empty space, open, available space is actually already used space. And this is really hard for those of us who are highly creative and we don't see limits, and that's part of our creat. And it's a wonderful quality. But also it's the thing that let's causes these spaces to get out of control. So instead to say, okay, this. There may be nothing on this table right now, and yet that table is full of empty available space for creating. Does that make sense? I mean, it may take a moment for your brain to go, wait, what? But this is a transformational concept for those of us who are highly creative. I have to have the space to create. I have to have the space to be able to spread out the five items that I've brought together that I'm actually going to use to create this project. Because if I don't have any room to actually do the paper craft, then the paper craft can't happen. And that's my dividing line, is that no creating is actually happening. So empty space, think of it as open available space for the actual action of creating that is used space. It is used by being open and being available to do the crafting. Okay, think about it as this is your passion or your hobby. Is it making felt flowers, or is it your passion to store the supplies to make felt flowers? Because coming up with super creative ideas to store the felt to make felt flowers feels creative. Like it is a use of creativity. But if you're collecting the supplies to make felt flowers, then if you don't have any actual physical space to sit down and make the felt flowers, then you're not actually doing the creative thing, Right? Like, the thing that you're doing is storing the supplies as opposed to that. So it doesn't mean that you're not going to store supplies. What it means is first priority is open space for creating. And that means, yes, space for your actual, like, you know, on a surface to do the action, but it also means space for your body. It means space for your body, space to sit in a chair. If you sit in a chair to do this, if it's something where you need to see it from lots of different angles, then it means space all around the table for you to be able to do the thing. That mindset shift is really powerful because that's the container concept. The most important things and most important to you, most important for this purpose that we have the space in the first place, the most important thing is the thing actually happening. Like, the thing actually getting done, the creativity happening. And so that physical reality, when you look at it as an exciting, I know it doesn't feel exciting to you right now, and I get that. But as you get through this process and you really start to accept the realities of your space, that's when it becomes that weird ingredient that made you come up with a genius idea. You say, you know what? I don't have a craft space. I don't have a craft room. All I have is one shelf, and that's all I can devote to this. Okay, then that one shelf needs to be used for the things that are the most important, that are your favorite items, that are the things that you're actually going to use. And that that physical reality frees you from making the decision of saying which things are bad, which things are good, and instead gets to say which things are the most likely to actually be used, which are the things that are going to move me forward in this desire that I have to be creative and do crafts. Okay? So letting that space be the limit and viewing that limitation as something that will help you be creative as opposed to stifle you. So with Kara last year, you know, as all these things were spread out that had been brought in and she was so we would go through the process. You know, we went through the process. We got rid of trash first. We got rid of any obvious donations. And then we, you know, dealt with the things that she already knew what. Knew what to do with. And then she would pick up some things, some things that she had ordered in a package or somebody had given her, and she's like, oh, I really do like these. Okay, well, we're not going to the. The point of decluttering is not to convince yourself not to like the thing that you liked enough to bring into your home. That's not what's going to do it. Instead, it's to say, okay, where would you look for it first? And she said, well, I would look for it first in that bin because she had great bins for organizing stuff, but her space was out of control because she had too much stuff. She had more stuff than she could handle. So. So at that point, I said, okay, then let's take it to that bin and let's look in there and is there room for it? And most of the time there was not room for it. So I said, well, is there anything in there that's easy for you to get rid of that definitely doesn't deserve space as much as this item that you want to put in there? And so sometimes it was things that maybe she had gotten a package in the mail and she realized through going through that process that, oh, these are the ones of that package that I really like. And the other ones, actually, now that I look at it that way, now that I look at it through this lens of a limitation that, you know, forces me to narrow down and be creative, I see that some of these things are not as exciting, and I can let those go. But also, in going through that process, she often found some things that, oh, there's space being taken up in this bin where I would look for these items that I bought for the kind of crafting that I'm doing right now, there's space being taken up by some things that maybe I had gathered for another kind of craft that I don't actually do anymore, or that I had somebody had given me, or that, you know, I had collected thinking I was going to do something. And then I tried it once and didn't like it that much. Like, that's how this works. It doesn't mean that I just say, okay, get rid of everything. It means I accept the realities of the space. I expect accept the limitations of the space and view that as helpful for my creativity. So organizing could be the answer. And I know that that is the tendency, especially for the creative person that was me. I would bring all these things into my house thinking, someday I'm going to figure out how to get all this stuff organized. And that didn't really work all that well. All these times when I had thought, oh, I'm going to get organized. Oh, I'm going to get organized. I'm going to get this done. At some point, I just kept bringing things in because I was like, well, I haven't gotten there yet. But I have complete confidence someday I'll be able to get organized. Well, then I would organize things, and then it would get completely out of control again. And then I would feel like, well, I'm not very good at organizing after all. So then it would make it harder for me to start again in the future. Organizing can. Can be the answer, okay? But it only. It can only be the answer after you declutter. You have to declutter first. You have to accept the reality of the space and then organize. Because otherwise you end up in this situation where you're coming up with an organizing solution for things that you actually don't even want in your house. Because so many times accepting the reality of the container is the thing that reveals, oh, there are things in here that I do not care about. Most of the time, it does occasionally come down to two great things, and comparing those two great things and deciding which one deserves space out of these two great things. Most of the time, though, it's an assumption that the things in there are great. And then I take the item that I know I'm going to be using to this space, and I say, is there anything in here that deserves space less? And I go, oh, my goodness, I forgot about this. This, this, and this, and those things can go. That is generally what happens, okay? So if you are organizing first, you are trying to come up with a solution to keep things that you have no business keeping that you don't even want to keep. So declutter first down to the realities of that space. What happened for me and what happens for so many people is once I declutter down to the realities of the space, well, then it was organized, naturally organized, just by doing that. So I didn't have to come up with a lot of solutions. But I know as a highly creative person, it can be very tempting, normal, logical to try to come up with a really elaborate solution, a really elaborate organizing solution. And I'm gonna say, I'm gonna guess that a lot of people listening have already done this in the past, have put a lot of time and effort into some sort of elaborate organizing System in some area of your, your home. Okay, I, I know I did like, I mean take, take days, months, not months, but you know, days, hours to put together this very detailed system and then it would completely go back to being a disaster. And that was a big, that was my biggest frustration. I was like, I don't understand. My mom would come in, she would help me, we'd come up with an elaborate system and I could not maintain it. And especially for the creative person who is pouring their creativity into the organizing solution, it's extra important to understand the concept of a clutter threshold. Your clutter threshold is the level of stuff that you personally can easily keep under control. So so many of those organizing systems that I'd come up with, even though I had poured my creativity into it in that moment, they were not systems that I could maintain because there was just more stuff in them. It was a lot of managing and dealing with. I, that's over my clutter threshold. That was a big realization for me in my own desalbification journey was, oh, I can't handle that amount of stuff. I can't handle the amount of stuff that my mom can handle and keep under control. I, I tried to keep that much stuff, but I couldn't keep it under control. So even if your desire is to organize and you want to use your creativity in that way, first declutter. Because you don't want to be coming up with solutions for things that have no business being in your home no matter what. And pay attention to how it works, whatever system you've done. And I'm going to encourage you to look back on systems that you probably have put in and how they ended up working. And if they did not work for you, it's probably because they were designed to hold more stuff than you could handle no matter what. So the encouragement is to view limitations as things to help you get to be creative. Opportunities to be creative, but not in a way of shoving more stuff in and finding cool ways to keep things, but in ways to really identify which things matter. Which things out of all these great things, which are the ones that are actually going to help you be creative, not just dream about being creative. I hope this made any sense at all.
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Just a reminder that I do have my children's book that is coming out February 17th and it's available for pre order. You can get the the cutest. I mean seriously, the cutest copy of Printable of my five Step process and the Flowchart with Winnie the Walrus. Winnie's pile of pillows. She's adorable. And the reason I love writing the children's book is because Winnie is highly creative and she loves cool and interesting things. And I want her to get to be her. I want her to be able to. To still be the fun, cool, creative little child walrus that she is, you know, but also have a space that she can enjoy and that she can handle. And so, anyway, you can go to a slobcamsclean.com winnie and find out more about ordering that. Anyway, I will talk to you all next week. Bye.