Introducing: Don't Listen To Us

Summary

Podcrushed: Introducing "Don't Listen To Us"

Podcast: Podcrushed
Hosts: Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, Sophie Ansari
Date: October 29, 2025
Episode: Featuring the premiere episode of "Don't Listen To Us"
Guest Hosts: Mandy Patinkin, Kathryn Grody, Gideon Grody Patinkin

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Main Theme

This episode of Podcrushed acts as a bridge, introducing listeners to the brand-new Lemonada Media show, "Don't Listen To Us." The new show, hosted by legendary actor Mandy Patinkin, his wife, actress Kathryn Grody, and their son Gideon, is an “advice show for advice skeptics and wisdom lovers.” Listeners are treated to the first, full episode, which blends heartfelt advice, family banter, reflective storytelling, and humor as the hosts tackle real listener questions about relationships, identity, aging, and vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Meet the Family (04:38–07:50)

• Setting: Recorded in Kathryn's upstate New York office, described as her "safe space."
• Introductions:
  • Kathryn embraces her role as a "Jewish elder," seeks to reclaim and reframe aging.
  • Mandy, now self-identified as “Gramps,” jokes about being more of a grandfather than a father these days.
  • Gideon, the “wrangler,” reflects on being the youngest and a little less "crazy" than the rest.
• Quote:
  • Kathryn: “I am trying to get rid of the concept of senior. ... I find it so insulting.” (06:09)

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2. Listener Question 1: Over-Confident Partner (08:20–12:18)

• From: Kate and Keith
• Dilemma: How to handle a spouse who confidently states things as fact even when wrong (specifically, misidentifying a moth).
• Advice:
  • Kathryn suggests picking battles and considering when it’s worth correcting a spouse.
  • Mandy discusses self-growth post-pandemic, noting how lockdown softened his need to "be right."
  • Humor and context are essential for a happy relationship.
• Quotes:
  • Kathryn: “Pick and choose which is important to be corrective about and which doesn’t really matter, you know, and how intense the correction is.” (10:36)
  • Mandy: “As pandemic faded, assholom came on both our parts, I must say.” (11:45)

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3. Listener Question 2: The Bidet Controversy (12:41–15:46)

• From: Carl in Missoula, MT
• Question: Why don’t more Americans use bidets? Is American toileting barbaric?
• Responses:
  • Mandy professes his “affinity” for bidets, exaggeratedly claiming lifelong usage.
  • Kathryn points out global privilege—sometimes any working toilet is a luxury.
  • Family recalls their switch to bidets, debating the bidet’s features (heated seat vs. actual washing).
  • Anecdote: a glamorous movie star using newspaper instead of toilet paper for ecological reasons.
• Quotes:
  • Mandy: “I beloved my bidet.” (13:37)
  • Kathryn: “I think just a regular toilet is a lucky thing to have. ... But I don’t think it’s barbaric not to have one.” (13:38)

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4. Listener Question 3: Coming Out as Trans (15:59–19:54)

• From: Ellis (via email)
• Dilemma: How to come out as trans to a loving but “nice Jewish dad” after 50 years of hiding, plagued by the sense of responsibility as “the family glue.”
• Drawing from Metaphor: Ellis dreams of being trapped in a shirt, asks for metaphorical “scissors” to set him free.
• Advice:
  • Kathryn references the family motto, an e.e. cummings poem: “To be yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day ... means to fight the hardest battle any human being can fight and never stop fighting.”
  • Mandy counsels: “Have a little faith in your father ... If he has a single cell of brain matter in his skull, he will be loving toward you ... Don’t hide it from your father. It doesn’t bode well for both of you for the long run. ... You’ll need each other more and more as time goes on.” (18:53)
  • Kathryn beautifully imagines “handing your dad the scissors and having him ... say, ‘Let me help you be who you are.’” (19:54)

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5. Live Caller: “Getting My Mojo Back” After Loss (26:17–34:14)

• Caller: Lori from Portland, 61, who feels unable to open her heart to love after losses and heartbreak.
• Discussion:
  • Mandy shares a formative story of heartbreak and the wisdom (thanks to friend Leo) that “She loved you. It was her way, not your way. And it set me free.” (27:24)
  • Kathryn encourages resilience, referencing the Japanese art of kintsugi—repairing broken things with gold—and says, “If you can feel despair, you can also feel joy.”
  • Mandy: “Just have a great time. Have a great day. ... Don’t try to be with a person—for fuck’s sake, get a dog.” (33:29)
  • Both stress the universality of wrestling with vulnerability and encouragement to “love yourself and ... be open to see what happens.”

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6. Intergenerational Advice: Parents and Adult Children (38:43–45:29)

• Gideon Asks: How can parents give advice to adult children without it sounding naggy or preachy?
• Family Reflections:
  • Kathryn: “I try to be really choosy with what I give advice on ... the tables turn, and you give me much more advice than I give you these days.” (39:08)
  • Mandy: “I learn more from my two sons than I have to teach them.” (39:33)
• Critical Response Theory: Praising before critiquing; rephrasing criticism to be less direct.
• Candid Reflection: Mandy and Gideon discuss Mandy’s tendency to fixate on negatives, but realize that watching parents’ struggles let Gideon be freed from repeating that behavior.
• Memorable Moment:
  • Mandy (tearfully recalling a breakthrough with Gideon): “I burst into tears because I finally realized that ... all of that self-torture I put myself through ... taught you never to do that.” (43:36)

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7. Changing Perspectives with Age (45:35-53:05)

• Pat Asks: What have you changed your mind about in your older years?
  • Mandy on relationships: “Sex is not the glue ... our relationship is the glue to our relationship. Time is the glue ... history is the glue.” (46:33)
  • Kathryn: Gains more empathy for how little control one really has over the process of aging, embracing adaptability without seeing it as surrender.
  • Aging with courage: Both discuss risk-taking in later life. Kathryn prefers to “go out mid-living,” resisting societal pressure to disappear; offers the metaphor of needing to “recharge her battery” now in her late 70s.

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8. Closing Banter and Playful Wisdom (53:18-end)

• Advice Reversed:
  • Kathryn: “I would like to just ask my beloved son if I ever have a suggestion about a medical expert that it might behoove him to say, you know what? Thanks for that ...” (53:31)
  • Gideon pokes fun at his mother’s overzealous medical suggestions.
• Original Song Performance: Mandy closes with a playful, vaudeville-style song about therapy and advice. (54:32)
• Final Reflection:
  • Mandy, joking about the show’s title: “...not to listen to the title that says ‘Don’t Listen to Us.’ Listen to Kathryn Hutters.” (53:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• Kathryn on "senior":
  “I am trying to get rid of the concept of senior. ... I find it so insulting.” (06:09)

• Mandy on pandemic-era growth:
  “I would say the pandemic improved my behavior exponentially. Wow. I became nicer in every way imaginable. ... I didn’t feel I had to win ... it was like a light switch.” (10:44)

• Kathryn's empathy to Ellis:
  “If you’re 99% sure that your dad will be supportive, I think you should act on that. ... You will be the glue anyway.” (18:50)

• Mandy's direct comfort:
  “Have a little faith in your father ... Don’t hide it from your father. ... If you have the courage to ask the hardest question, ... he’ll find it.” (18:53)

• Mandy on heartbreak and growth:
  “She loved you. It was her way, not your way. And it set me free.” (27:24)

• Mandy to Lori (humor as healing):
  “Just have a great time. Have a great day. ... Don’t try to be with a person—for fuck’s sake, get a dog.” (33:29)

• Kathryn's kintsugi metaphor:
  “There’s that Japanese thing ... where you take broken things and mend them back together with gold leaf ... If you can feel despair, you can also feel joy ... you’re not numbing.” (30:43)

• Gideon reflecting on family patterns:
  “Some of your biggest struggles in life have been my biggest benefits because I’ve gotten to watch what’s helped you and what hasn’t.” (44:18)

• Mandy's insight on relationships and intimacy:
  “Our relationship is the glue to our relationship. Time is the glue ... history is the glue.” (46:33)

• Kathryn on aging:
  “I have this image of a battery, you know, that you’re born with ... and then all of a sudden, just recently, I suddenly heard this ... It’s me and it’s my battery and it’s saying, you need to recharge me ... by taking a nap.” (51:27)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 04:38 — Family introduction and banter
• 08:20 — Emmy-winning confidence: Handling an over-confident partner
• 12:41 — The great bidet debate
• 15:59 — Coming out as trans, family glue, and finding courage
• 26:17 — Lori from Portland: loss, resilience, and reopening the heart
• 38:43 — Parents and adult children on giving and receiving advice
• 45:35 — Changing your mind as you age: sex, control, and legacy
• 53:18 — Advice reversals and family humor
• 54:32 — Mandy’s whimsical, sardonic closing number

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

“Don’t Listen To Us” delivers on its dual promises: plenty of riotous, sometimes chaotic family banter, as well as legitimately thoughtful wisdom about intergenerational dynamics, loving others and oneself, growing older, and living authentically. The warmth and frankness of Mandy, Kathryn, and Gideon—along with a steady undercurrent of gentle teasing—help turn even difficult listener questions into inclusive, hopeful conversations.

For New Listeners

If you’re seeking advice with honesty, wit, and a ton of personality, this new show is likely to offer both comfort and comic relief—plus unexpected perspectives you may not have considered.

Memorable closing advice:
“Don’t listen to us... but maybe do listen to Kathryn’s advice.” (53:26)

Transcript

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Hello Crushies. We're taking a quick break this week, but not to worry because next week we are going to be back with Pen. That's right Penn Badgley. You're no longer stuck with just Sophie and Nava. Pen is going to be off paternity leave starting next week. But this week we are dropping an episod from a brand new Lemonada Media show that we think you're gonna love. It's called Don't Listen to Us. An advice show for advice skeptics and wisdom lovers, hosted by Mandy Patinkin, Katherine Grody, and their son Gideon. I am obsessed with this family, guys. You've seen their TikToks, you've seen their Instagram reels, and now they have a podcast that's on Lemonada Media. That's the Mandy Patinkin, the legendary actor from the Princess Bride, Homeland, and Criminal Minds. He's the straight shooter. His wife, stage actress Catherine is the thoughtful connector, and their son Gideon is the wrangler who keeps them mostly on track. You might have seen their viral videos where Gideon interviews his parents and chaos comedy and surprising wisdom collide. It's the best. They don't always agree. In fact, they rarely do. But together, they bring humor, heart and honesty to real listener dilemmas. Hang out with this family and you'll walk away with insights you didn't expect, stories you'll want to repeat, and comfort knowing that you're not alone. You're about to hear the first episode of Don't Listen to Us. Follow the show wherever you listen or head to the show notes and click the link to hear more.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You can hear every episode of Don't Listen to Us ad free with Lemonada Premium. Just tap that subscribe button on Apple Podcasts or. Or head to Lemonada Premium to subscribe on any other app. That's lemonadapremium.com. it's Monday morning in New York.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

We're a little excited. Are we excited for your new radio experience?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How are. How are you guys? How you doing?

[Katherine Grody]

Okay. Huh?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm a little friend of mine.

[Podcast Host (PodCrush Ad Host)]

I've never done a radio show before.

[Mandy Patinkin]

But I'm here to have a good time.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How do dad seems like he's in.

[Mandy Patinkin]

A really good mood.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How do you get him in a slightly less mood?

[Katherine Grody]

Just turn the volume down. I try and go like this, but it doesn't work. Okay.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Mom, dad, where are we?

[Katherine Grody]

We are.

[Mandy Patinkin]

We're here.

[Katherine Grody]

We're in America.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I wasn't gonna say that.

[Katherine Grody]

Oh, sorry.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I didn't want to lose listeners. So we're in upstate. We're in some upstate state. We're in the upstate region of some state. We're in Mom's office.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, this is really my safe space.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, thanks for letting us come into your space.

[Katherine Grody]

I'm very happy you're here, hun.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And we're here trying out our podcast, Don't Listen to Us, our take it or leave it advice show with me, Gideon Grody. Patinkin and my parents and we're excited to be with you all and talk.

[Katherine Grody]

About some stuff and be less alone in this crazy moment that we're all in together.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Can we just introduce ourselves to our friends out there? Oh, yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Who are we?

[Katherine Grody]

I am Katherine Grody Pichinkin. I am an elder. Jewish elder. I'm trying to get into the word. I am trying to get rid of the concept of senior. I find it been there, done. That wasn't my best year. I find it so insulting.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Do you think of yourself more as an elder than an actress and a writer or.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, some days, honey. Some days. Well, no, I'm an elder actress, elder wife, grandmother.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What are you?

[Katherine Grody]

Before you're an elder, you're a late middle aged person.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What's the cutoff?

[Katherine Grody]

Oh, yeah, well, it depends. I used to think that you said.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

80 is when you're old.

[Katherine Grody]

I said 80 is when. Well, no, I said 80 is early elder and 90 is old. I'm amending it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And dad, who are you?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm dad.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay.

[Katherine Grody]

And who are you?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I'm Gideon. There's son.

[Katherine Grody]

In what birth order?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I am second of the Grody Patinki.

[Katherine Grody]

How do you think that's impacted you? Being the second?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's allowed me to watch all you crazy lunatics a little bit longer.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You don't feel you're crazy, lunatic? You didn't inherit any of it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I think I'm about 43% less crazy than anyone else.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm also. I'm also known as gramps.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Gramps?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. I consider that my new.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Think of yourself now more as a grandfather or a father.

[Mandy Patinkin]

As Gramps. As a grandfather. Because you're not interested in anything I have to say at this point, are you?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, I'm here doing the podcast with you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, I just thought you needed. I just thought you needed to kill the day.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, my God. There's so many other ways I could kill the day.

[Katherine Grody]

Moving right along.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So we sent a message out to our little community online on social media, wanting to hear from people, their questions, looking for advice, having experiences, what they want to talk about. And you guys like talking to people?

[Katherine Grody]

Most of I love talking to people.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You love it all the time.

[Katherine Grody]

Dad loves it on occasion.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So let's ease in with a relationship dynamic that may be familiar to a lot of listeners. Here's our first voice note from a couple, Kate and Keith.

[Katherine Grody]

Hello. Oh, I think this is going now. So what's. Keith. Hey. What's our question?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I think it was something about how.

[Mandy Patinkin]

To deal with me?

[Katherine Grody]

No, I think the question was. So we're sitting out here on our deck, enjoying this Friday afternoon, and I was telling Keith, my husband of 20 years, that bugs the shit out of me when he says something competently. Like, when we were on the trail earlier today, we spent the day in the forest, and I took a picture of a moth, a beautiful moth, and I asked you what kind of moth it was. I saw, and you said it was with, like, utter confidence. You said it was an emperor moth.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And it was an emperor moth.

[Katherine Grody]

No, it wasn't an emperor moth.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It was a type of emperor.

[Katherine Grody]

No, it was a silk moth. So what bugs me is that he will say things. No, it's. He will say things with such confidence. And then when I realize he's, like, talking out of his ass, like, it could be the emperor moth. It could be the plumbing issue. It could be electrical. But anyway, I guess our question is, how do you guys manage when one person speaks confidently out of their ass, but they're actually not right or correct? Was it an emperor? It was not an emperor moth.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It was a type of emperor.

[Katherine Grody]

No, it wasn't. It was a silk moth.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Look it up.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. What's. What's your advice?

[Katherine Grody]

My advice?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How they should deal with this, going further into their years. You guys are, what, 40 years?

[Katherine Grody]

45.

[Mandy Patinkin]

47.

[Katherine Grody]

47. 45. Official.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What do you mean it's 47?

[Katherine Grody]

Honey, we will.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It's not just from marriage. It's from hello.

[Katherine Grody]

Okay. From hello is 47. I think, Kate, you pick and choose which is important to be corrective about and which doesn't really matter, you know, and how intense the correction is, you know?

[Mandy Patinkin]

How do you feel you do at that?

[Katherine Grody]

It depends.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How do you feel you do with that?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Dad? I. I feel that I have actually been at fault as the person who had to be right in the past. But as I got older and you know, I can. It's like, to me, life is pandemic to today. And then there was pre pandemic. And I would say the pandemic improved my behavior exponentially. Wow. I became nicer in every way imaginable, more agreeable. I listened better. I agreed more often. I didn't feel I had to win because we had to be together alone for God knows how long, and it was like a light switch.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Do you feel you also became kinder to yourself?

[Mandy Patinkin]

No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Not at all.

[Katherine Grody]

But I think.

[Mandy Patinkin]

But I did become a better person to be with for Mom.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah. And I appreciate that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Chores better? Yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I cleaned up more. You know, I just. We each pulled our weight more and realized. And then, you know, as pandemic faded, assholom came on both our parts, I must say.

[Katherine Grody]

But I think if Kate was able just to pick and choose when she needs to correct Keith and when she can let it go and maybe show him the information later in a different form.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I love that.

[Katherine Grody]

And just a sense of humor.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Maybe the emperor moth wouldn't be the one to dig into.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah. Maybe not. Maybe not right at that moment.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Excellent. I love that. Let's go to our next question. That was your first question.

[Katherine Grody]

That was my. Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's not so hard.

[Katherine Grody]

A little strange. Little strange because I thought the people were live, but they weren't. That was just their question. But they sounded so good.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

We'll let you know if someone's live. Okay, this next one is another voice note from Carl.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hi, this is Carl from Missoula, Montana. I got a question for you. I use a bidet. Why don't more Americans use bidets? Is there something wrong with us? Is American toileting barbaric? Looking forward to what you have to say. Thanks.

[Katherine Grody]

What was. I don't think I said.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why don't play it again. Would you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

He uses a bidet.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And he's asking if American toileting is.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Barbaric, meaning without bidets.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I couldn't agree more, Carl. I've been using a bidet since birth.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That is not true. I got you your first bidet for Hanukkah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, it is. And I beloved.

[Katherine Grody]

And there was an article about it recently.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I beloved by bidet.

[Katherine Grody]

I mean, I don't think it's. You know, given people's limited options all over the world on toileting. I think just a regular toilet is a lucky thing to have. And if you're really lucky, then you have a bidet. But I don't think it's barbaric not to have one.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I. I have a particular affinity toward the toilet paper. You grab it from the. The paper is loose on top, hanging down.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Sure.

[Mandy Patinkin]

So it's not coming from the back. And I'm. I really get pissed off. Forget the bidet shit. I forgive the pun, but. But I really get pissed off when people come stay in my home. Yeah. And. And they switch the way. The way the toilet papers on the roll. Oh, yeah. I think that's a lot of nerve.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's. That sounds really difficult.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, it is difficult. Yeah. I'm. I don't understand why someone would do that.

[Katherine Grody]

I Mean, I've lived in places and travel in places where there is no particular toilet available, so I have a large range of acceptability about this.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Do you guys remember when I got you that bidet toilet for Hanukkah? You were very skeptical, and you really didn't know about this whole thing, and then you used it once or twice, and the next thing I knew, you had it in every bathroom in your house.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, well, that's mostly for the warming aspect of it in the winter, which is really wonderful.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The warm seat you don't use the spray for.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, Never.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What?

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, I do on occasion.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Completely insane.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

We knew a famous movie star who didn't use toilet paper. Yeah, very famous. Gorgeous. Like, one of the most beautiful movie stars on the planet.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What did they use?

[Katherine Grody]

Newspaper. It was an ecological save.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I don't even know where to begin.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And they. Did they flush the newspaper or.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Maybe so. Yeah, I never.

[Katherine Grody]

I don't know.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I was told this by Mom. I wasn't there.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Wow.

[Katherine Grody]

Okay.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay, this next one, we're gonna pivot a little bit. And this one came in through email. So, Mom, I'm gonna hand this to you to read out our question from Ellis.

[Katherine Grody]

Okay.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You know, in the future, I would love a little button so that when I have to cough, I can silence my mic so it's not annoying people. Okay, what is this that we're doing?

[Katherine Grody]

This is a letter that came from somebody. Right.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Our next question came in from email from Ellis, and Mom's gonna read it out for us.

[Katherine Grody]

Dear Mandy and Catherine, I need advice from some nice Jewish parents about coming out as trans. To my nice Jewish dad. I'm ready to do it, and I want to do it, and I'm 99% sure my dad will be accepting of it, but I just can't. I know that a big part of what's blocking me is that I've been hiding this part of myself for nearly 50 years, and I no longer know how to be anyone other than this version of myself that everyone else knows. When you're an eldest daughter, as I was raised to be, you learn from an early age that you are the family glue. Everyone depends on you for everything. And now, after a half century, it feels impossible to stand up and say, hey, this is something I need to do for myself and myself alone. There's a dream I have sometimes where I'm trying to take off a shirt, and I just can't figure out how to do it. The sleeves are too Tight. The neck hole is too small to fit over my head. The body keeps getting stuck up around my ribs or my armpits. And I just get trapped in this suffocating fabric until I wake up. Gas gasping. If my dreams worked in Hollywood, they get laughed out of the room for being too on the nose. What I need, metaphorically, are scissors. Please tell me where I can find my scissors. How can I cut my way out of this? Thank you so much for considering my question. Ellis.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Can I see that?

[Katherine Grody]

Wow.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Thanks, Ellis.

[Katherine Grody]

Thank you, Ellis.

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[Katherine Grody]

You know, we have a. Our family motto is an EE Cummings poem that is to be yourself in a world which is doing its best. Night and day means to fight the hardest. Means to fight the hardest battle that any human being can fight and never stop fighting. And I have great empathy that you have felt discomfort in being able to be who you are for 50 years. And if you're 99% sure that your dad will be supportive, I think you should act on that. And it sounds like you have a loving family and you will be the glue anyway, you know.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Now what comes up for you dad with that?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Have a little faith in your father. Tell him. He's been your father since the beginning. If he has a single cell of brain matter in his skull, he will be loving toward you whether he means it or not. And he'll learn to mean it. If he doesn't initially mean it, but give him some time and space and trust him, and he'll feel that. But don't hide it from your father. It doesn't bode well for both of you for the long run. You'll need each other more and more as time goes on. And if you have the courage to ask the hardest question, which is, can you love me the way I am, no matter what, then he'll find it. Even if he doesn't find it at that exact moment, give him a shot.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Amen. Thank you, Ellis.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Thank you for asking us that question.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

I just had this image, Alice, of you just handing your dad the scissors and having him, you know, say, let me help you be who you are, you know?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Thanks, guys.

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[Mandy Patinkin]

We're back. I love that product. We're back.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And just do one that says that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And we're back.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Great.

[Mandy Patinkin]

He's been controlling my son.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You're everyone doing great. Okay, so mom, dad, this round will be joined by live callers.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are we ready for this?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I think you're. Yeah, I don't think we're ready. It's just a person. You'll be great. Next we have Lori from Portland. So first we're going to hear Lori's question and then she'll be on the line with us.

[Caller Lori from Portland]

Hi, Mandy and Catherine. Okay, here goes Nothing. I'm a 61 year old woman, although I'm told I look about 10 to 15 years younger on good days. I have a beautiful 30 year old daughter. I've been married and divorced and married and divorced. You get the picture. I've lost in relationships and also through grief, having lost my father and my brother three months apart just five years ago. My most important family relationships. I've gone from a person who loved every part of life to someone who really doesn't love anything except that beautiful daughter of mine. The situation in the country and the world hasn't helped and I just feel like an empty shell sometimes. Please don't think this is a cry for help. I'm fine. I just miss having that capacity to actually open up and love another person or be willing to, I guess. How do I get my mojo back and open up my heart again? And please don't say dating apps. I appreciate you, Lori.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So we've got Lori on the line. Hi, Lori.

[Katherine Grody]

Hi, Lori.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hi, how are you? Hi, Lori. I'm good, I'm good. I want to answer your question first. I remember I was minding my own business and I was in, oh, I was about, what was I, 19 or 20. And we just moved a lot of our friends in New York out of U Haul, moved everybody around. And then I ended up being in a play with a young lady that was, you know, interested in playing with me on more than just the stage. And I fell head over heels with this person. And then we did the play and we had a relationship in the play together and. And then in the middle of the play, she dumped me. And I was devastated. I had to finish the play. The director came up and go, why are you crying all the time? What's going on? And I went, oh, my God. Anyway, I made it through it. And then one day about nine months later, I'm at a bar on Columbus Avenue with my buddy Leo and he said to me, leo Burmester, God rest his soul, a wonderful actor. Look him up. You've Seen him in a million movies. But I said, I don't get it, man. I just don't get it. I don't get it. I just don't get it. And she acted like she loved me, and then all of a sudden, she doesn't. I just don't get it. And I'm like, 22. And he goes, but she did love you. She didn't love you your way, but she loved you her way. She loved you. It was her way, not your way. And it set me free. My wife's looking at me like, making sense. Well, what else is new? But. But I. But it did set me free. And I just wanted to preserve the ability to feel and be in love again, as opposed to be armored and lock my heart in a steel chest where I couldn't get that spoon and break out of the prison of loneliness. And Leo saved my life that day over that hamburger. And then I met Catherine down the road, and why can't that happen to you?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Lori, how are you feeling today?

[Caller Lori from Portland]

I think, well, I feel fine again. I want to reiterate, I'm fine, but this. What spurred my question was a recent meet cute situation that I had where I actually did enjoy the company of a gentleman that I talked to at an event about a month ago. And it seemed like a connection, but we parted ways with only each other's first names and occupations. And I came home thinking, what is this feeling? I haven't had this feeling in a long time. But there was this intangible barrier, like you were just saying. Mandy. It just kept me from going further with it and asking if he'd like to continue the conversation over coffee. And that barrier is my heart, right? It's, like, locked, and I just can't figure out a way to open it.

[Katherine Grody]

Well, Laurie, it's a couple of things. First of all, you're pretty resilient. You know, there's a line I love. Would you rather have an unused heart or a broken one? And you've been brave enough twice, and you still have a lot of love for your kid. And there's that Japanese thing. I think it's called katsuji.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Katsugi.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah. Where you take broken things and mend them back together with gold leaf, you know? And if you can feel despair, you can also feel joy because you can still feel something so you're not numbing, you know? And this is a really hard time in history to live through, and I try very hard not to start the day with the headlines, you know, but with a long View or start the day with joy or beauty. End the day that way and fight, you know, the good fights, whatever they mean to you. But 61, you got a long way to go, and you're lucky if you're, you know, in great shape. And I would say just, you know, don't even think of yourself as armored, you know, practice imagining that heart of yours. It's been well used and well hurt, but that it's still beating. Do you know? Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Laurie, listen to me. We've been doing this for about 15, 20 minutes. We're making the pilot. Are you aware of that? Of our podcast?

[Caller Lori from Portland]

Yes.

[Mandy Patinkin]

This is the very first time we're doing it. So we're all trying to figure out, what's this like? Do we like it? I'm really concerned that, you know, Lori calls and she's, like, worried about having a relationship. I want her to have fun.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, why don't you ask Lori? Are you having fun? Yes.

[Katherine Grody]

And that is why.

[Caller Lori from Portland]

So here's the thing. I thought, who better to ask than you and Catherine? Because you have been together as long as you have, you have navigated a relationship, and I look to people like yourselves for wisdom and guidance. That's why, I mean, my life is good, don't get me wrong. I have a good life. I have a good career. But could it be better with love? Of course it could. So who do I look to as an authority on that subject? Somebody who has traversed these things, like you, like you said.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. Can you define love, Lori? Can you define love to me? Can you define love to me, Lori?

[Caller Lori from Portland]

That's pretty philosophical.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Forget it. Don't even try. It's undefinable, Lori. It's undefinable.

[Caller Lori from Portland]

Right?

[Mandy Patinkin]

You know, I don't have a fucking clue what it is. I'll tell you what Kathryn always said about the two of us, because we've been through some horseshit. You know, it's never me. I've been perfect. But on occasion, she's had problems. But we make each other laugh. That's what we do. And we can get pretty ugly, but we get so ugly that we start almost laughing at it at some point, and that's how we've survived. And what I wish for you is, is to never call another podcast trying to fix your relationship. Join the human race. We're all fucked up. We all have messed up relationships. Just have a great time. Have a great day. Go get a double scoop of your favorite ice cream and. And, you know, and. And get a dog. Don't try to be with a person. For fuck's sake. Get a dog.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

There you go, Laurie, Mandy.

[Katherine Grody]

There you go.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

He distills it into some ice cream and a dog.

[Caller Lori from Portland]

Got it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Which could. I love my dog. I mean, I love my wife too, but I love my dog more.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, there's no question that he loves his dog more. Laurie, I would say it sounds to me like you have your mojo. You know, you have friends that you have a good time with, you like your job, you have a loving kid, you live in a great city, you know, and it's like maybe not focused so much on what isn't there. And just really give yourself a lot of joy in the day and, you know, be open to. To see what happens instead of actively looking for it every minute around the corner. Just love yourself and. And when you don't love you soon.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Call a friend or call therapist or call back to our very successful podcast and we'll give you some more advice. But I'm calling my therapist 24 7. I got a bill that could pay for a small country. Don't hesitate to ask for help because it's hard being alive. And if you think you're the only one who's having a hard time, well, you're not. You're not the. Everybody, we're all having a hard time. This thing being alive, it's a motherfucker, you know, and just join the club. Get a dog and eat some chocolate. Eat some chocolate ice cream.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Do you have any advice for us before you go?

[Caller Lori from Portland]

No. I think you're both great. I appreciate.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Don't give up your day job. I. No.

[Caller Lori from Portland]

But Katherine, Mandy, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

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[Caller Lori from Portland]

Actually really scary right now?

[Katherine Grody]

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[Katherine Grody]

Parents are scrolling TikTok for medical advice.

[Caller Lori from Portland]

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[Katherine Grody]

Teacher, and mom navigating this insane time right alongside you. I hope you'll join me on my.

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[Mandy Patinkin]

Do you have any questions you want to ask me as a son to a father? Can I help you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Actually, I have a question for you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yes.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

About father to son.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Okay. There you go. Yeah, that's. That's. Then we're in the right zone. How.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How do you impart, like, wisdom to adult children without sounding naggy or preachy?

[Katherine Grody]

I think that is one of the hardest things on Earth is how to give adult children any advice and not feel dismissed or that you're being intrusive. I try to be really choosy with what I give advice on and also the dynamics. The tables turn, and you give me much more advice than I give you these days.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, I agree. I learn more from my two sons than I have to teach them.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah. So it really. It really switches, but it still feels a little strange not to be able to. To say something. But usually I get in big trouble with you if I suggest something, especially if it has to do with any medical. Anything.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. I mean, what's your advice, then, to your children on how to give you advice that doesn't sound naggy or preachy or patronizing?

[Katherine Grody]

Patronizing? Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, you know, I don't think there's an answer you can buy at a little book at the checkout stand at the grocery store. Otherwise, I think everybody'd know how to do it. Mom became a part of a group called Usual Suspects. I believe at the. What theater was that?

[Katherine Grody]

New York Theater Workshop.

[Mandy Patinkin]

New York Theater Workshop, where you were. You constantly preached a method of criticizing after reading of a new play.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, it's praise. Praise first.

[Katherine Grody]

What is that? Deb Luhrmann's Critical Response Theory.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. Give it just.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, well, you say a good thing first, and then you ask people, is there any neutral response which I find impossible for any member of this family to have a neutral question. Like, instead of, you know, why did you choose that hideous color green to cover your couch with? You say, what were you thinking of the color green in that material?

[Mandy Patinkin]

And then when do you give the criticism after the neutral.

[Katherine Grody]

If somebody wants it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. And then the criticism. Oftentimes people are very wounded by it. You know, you can have a mountain of good things. One little negative thing happens, and human beings just.

[Katherine Grody]

Well, that's particularly you, honey. That's why we call it Mandy math.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You know, you think I'm unique in the human race.

[Katherine Grody]

I think you are more sensitive. And 10 great things can happen, and if one shit thing happens, that one has to happen.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But that is a phenomenon the world over.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah, that is a phenomenon.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I mean, we all experience that, but.

[Katherine Grody]

I actually think that's less with you kid than anybody I know almost.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, that's.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Cause I've had these parents who maybe feel that greatly. I mean, I've learned.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Feel what greatly?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The sensitivity of holding on to the one negative comment that happens. You can do a concert and have 10,000 people say, you're a genius. And one person goes, why'd you choose that song?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Who said that?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Larry. And then that's what sticks for you. But that's the great advantage of sometimes watching your parents struggle with things. If you're lucky, you get to not repeat some of that stuff and go a different way. I was trained watching you guys fixate on a negative thing, you know, in so many ways that. And it never really benefit you.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That allowed me to do that a little bit less.

[Katherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I want to hold that thought.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Can I say one other thing before you move on?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Sure.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That was one of the most extraordinary. That was the most extraordinary conversation I felt I ever had with you. We were out front of our apartment in New York and we were walking and you were doing your work, and we were kind of talking shop about work and you were asking me questions. And then all of a sudden you just showed me your arms and you had your sleeves rolled up or you had a T shirt on and you had goosebumps. You see, dad, look. You said, dad, look, see? I got goosebumps all over my arms because you said. I just realized that I spent my life watching you do wonderful work. And then you would beat yourself up thinking something wasn't perfect or right. And I just learned that that was insane and worthless. And I couldn't understand why you did it. So I didn't do that for myself. And I burst into tears because I finally realized that it had some worth, that all of that self torture I put myself through, it had worth that it taught you never to do that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And even now when I retell it, I just am grateful that it had some value, that it kept you from being stupid.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, this is a thing in one way or another that I remind you of every 18 months or a couple years, because it's easy to forget.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I think human beings are the stupidest.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Creatures on the planet, getting dumber and dumber. But I think your ability to be emotionally open with your family and your children, even through struggling, even through anxieties and struggles, allows those around you to take away those lessons. There's a lot of parents, and a lot of men in particular who have that, who feel all those things, but just keep it all bottled up. And you Never get to see that as a kid. And you never get to analyze, okay, what did that give my dad? What did it take away from him? Yeah. Some of your biggest struggles in life have been my biggest benefits because I've gotten to watch what's helped you and what hasn't.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And you can't imagine what kind of a gift that is to me to know that. I guess I would think of them as mistakes that I couldn't help because it's just who I was then that actually had value. And I couldn't see it until that day.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I don't need to imagine it. I know you very well and yeah, it feels great being able to share that with you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I adore you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

This is a new weird phenomenon. Mandy figured out that when he says that to my mom, she laughs for.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Five minutes every time it's like laughing. Guess when I say those words to her, it really.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How does it keeps working.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I adore you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Really? That's it.

[Katherine Grody]

Just the irony too much. Please ask us another. Does anybody else.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Pat has a question.

[Katherine Grody]

Oh, Pat. Good. Lucky.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Pat was curious. What's something you change your mind about in your older years?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Wow. Sex. Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's a good one.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, I. A friend. It was actually. I'll say who it was. It was Claire Danes mom told her, I think it was her mom that she said sex is the glue of a relationship. And I think that is initially got some validity. But I can say for a fact as you get older, it's not that sex isn't nice or feels good and all of that, but it has nothing to do with being the glue to our relationship. Our relationship is the glue to our relationship. Time is the glue to our relationship history. I don't even have words.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Just seems like you have words.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, I mean everything. Everything that we've lived. Yeah. Is the. Is the glue to our relationship. And I'm not criticizing Claire's mom. I think it's a valid statement at a certain point. But. But that has changed that. I. I cherish so many things far more than that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

Something I've changed my mind about. I think I've been forced to reconsider what I'm in control of and not in control of in terms of getting older. Until very recently, I really felt all aging stuff was just bullshit and that I was in charge of how I was going to do this and I was not going to do it like other people because I was so special. And I'm finding more empathy for some of the absolute physiological challenges that may Happen to some people 10 years earlier and some 10 years later. You know, I'm sort of stepping over the line of being defensive about, don't make an assumption about me because I have white hair and I can do anything you can do. And thinking I'm making some adaptations and I'm trying to think of it as not surrendering.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I had an interesting experience with you recently where you were getting nervous about doing a show in Singapore.

[Katherine Grody]

Oh, right.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That was quite a physical movement piece. You were worried about 17 hour flight, right. And getting up on a table and dancing and getting knocked over by people moving around backstage in the dark. In the dark. And you were really scared in a way of feeling older. Like, 78 is not 75.

[Katherine Grody]

It isn't. I feel 100 years older than 75.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And it was very tricky for me in that moment whether to say, yeah, do whatever makes you feel safe and take care of yourself versus do the fucking thing. You. You're a person who, even at this age is very hungry for new experiences and is thriving off of connections and doing projects with other people where whatever you're doing, you're just trying to make it as good as possible. And I was still attached to that piece of the conversation, you know, making that important than anything else. But we hung up from that conversation for the first time. I was like, oh, I don't know if that's good advice. Like, how old are you? I don't want to push you into your.

[Katherine Grody]

No, I know. And I think it's interesting the ways in which adult children deal with their aging parents or not. You know what I mean? And I'm very glad I went to Singapore and I'm very glad you encouraged me. And I think if I ever really felt there was something that was really not worth the risk, I would listen to that. But I'd. I think I'd rather err on the side of risk. And.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, and that's. And that's why, I mean, at the end of that conversation, I was like, well, like, how would I feel if.

[Katherine Grody]

She did die on the table, off.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The table and die? I was like, well, she'd be doing a very Catherine thing and she's doing a show with amazing people.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And, you know, who else in our family has taught us this lesson? Someone in our family's taught us this. Consciously or unconsciously. We've had discussions about it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What's the lesson of doing the risk?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Being free. Do the risk. Live our dog, Becky.

[Katherine Grody]

Oh.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Because the. The idea was, until we found the Satellite collar so she wouldn't go over the driveway and get hit by a car. Yeah, that and she's been porcupine five times, I think, and taken to the emergency hospice. Yeah. But she has this place to run around and she could. There are coyotes, there are porcupines, there are things that could happen. But we always said she's had the great life. She's having a great life, she's going to be free. And even if she got taken out, she got taken out, she got taken out doing. Loving her life.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, and that's.

[Katherine Grody]

I said I wanted to go out, you know, mid conversation and you said mid gesticulation. So I want to be as alive as I can, but it's only this year that I, I've been very, very lucky, you know.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So you want to, you want to die mid conversation, mid gesticulation. So that's like, like a heart attack or like an anvil falling on your head or something.

[Katherine Grody]

I mean, I just like to go, I guess, mid living, you know, not, not diminished to the point where I don't know where I am or don't know things. And it is, it, it takes a kind of courage that I didn't realize before. You know, I understand more than I ever did. The, the resigning, you know, the submission to an idea of how you're supposed to be older because it takes more energy. You know, I have this image of a battery, you know, that you're born with this battery and you don't even know it. It just goes 24 7. And then all of a sudden, just recently, I suddenly heard this. I said, where the hell is that sound coming from? And it's me and it's my battery and it's saying, you need to recharge me, you need to take care of me for the first time. It's called plug me in by taking a nap. I never took a nap in my life. Was not interested, didn't need to. Dad needed naps when he was 25. I did not need a nap until I was 78. You know, they've been incredible people that are really thrilling to hear about how they're loving being 94. Yes, they miss not driving anymore, but everything else is fuller, greater, more relaxed, etc. You know, and there's a lot of encouragement and a lot of wisdom as opposed to denial and just, you know, shelving people of a certain age.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Katherine Grody]

You know, and a lot of unhappy 20 year olds, you know, that's for sure.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, thanks, guys.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I would like to just advise Our audiences to listen to what my wife just said.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's great advice, dad.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And not to listen to the title that says don't listen to us. Listen to Kathryn Hutters.

[Katherine Grody]

I would like now in front of all of you, to just ask my beloved son if I ever have a suggestion about a medical expert that it might behoove him to say, you know what? Thanks for that. I'm gonna write down that information in case I ever need it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I do say that, but you are out of control. I sneeze and I get 23 contacts for your nose and throat doctor and an eye doctor and a foot doctor and a doctor.

[Katherine Grody]

You were all away cause you couldn't stop your nose from bleeding. And I said you might wanna see it. I'm just a good ear.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'd see a foot doctor for your.

[Katherine Grody]

Bloody nose instead of a person up here that didn't find a tick in the dad's eardrum.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I'd like to thank you so much for all of your suggestions. And I will be taking all of them. All right, do you guys know what time it is?

[Mandy Patinkin]

And I leave you with this thought It's a dollar for a minute Just a minute of my time the maximum is 50 and the medium's your mind the minute that you get here in the doorbe clock starts a rolling so you best be on your toes we can talk about your mother and nail it to the wall I'll call you schizophrenic and I teach you how to crawl for only $50 I'll explain you nuts and you thank me and you pay me Cause I made you spill your guts I'm Agna Cum from Harvard Island Seven fountain pens I live in Nova Scotia on the weekends for a tan I own a new Mercedes, a camper and a van but it's the simple things in life that make a man a man Crazy people La la la la la la la la la.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

La la la la la hey now.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, yeah. See you next week.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Would you license that original number to this show for an affordable or can we not afford? We probably can't afford.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You need to talk to my people.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Your people. Thanks for all the callers. We want to hear from you. More questions, stories, advice for us. Things you're thinking about. You can send an email to askmandyandkatherinemail.com that's Kathryn K A T H R Y N. Or check out socials for an easy way to send a voice note. And thank you so much for being here and tuning in. Let's be perfectly clear. Don't Listen to Us.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And if you've been listening, you've learned that lesson.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Don't Listen to Us is a Lemonada Media original hosted by Mandy Patinkin, Katherine Grody and Gideon Grody Patinkin. Created by Katrina Onstad, Debbie Pacheco and Gideon Grody Patinkin. Executive producers are Katherine Grody, Gideon Grody Paninkin, Mandy Bedinkin, Katrina Onstadt, Debbie Pacheco, Jessica Cordova, Kramer and Stephanie Whittles Wax. Our engineer is Ryan Derringer of Welterweight Sound, Video and audio production by Mark Whiteway of Bellows Media. Thanks to Lemonada's lead engineer, Ivan Kurayev. If you haven't subscribed to Lemonada Media Premium yet, now's the perfect time. You can hear Don't Listen to Us completely ad free. Plus you'll unlock exclusive bonus content like behind the scenes conversations, questions so weird they didn't make it on air, Becky the Dog shenanigans, and more. Just tap the subscribe button on Apple podcasts. Head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe on any other app or listen ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership. That's lemonadapremium.com don't miss out. We want to be really clear. We are not doctors or licensed therapists, just people with a lot of opinions. If you're facing a serious issue, especially related to mental health or addiction, we strongly encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. You are not alone. You deserve real help, not just a podcast.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hey everybody, I just want to remind you that my beautiful wife's play that she wrote and performs a one woman show called the Unexpected. Then there's some more to the title that I can't remember.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The rest is a radical, rollicking rumination on the optimism of staying alive, also.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Known as the unexpected. Third, it's going to be in Malvern, Pennsylvania for quite a number of weeks.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

September 17th to October 19th. And Malvern is just outside Philadelphia, right?

[Mandy Patinkin]

So it's not far. It's like a suburb. I'm telling you. I saw an early rendition of this play in a rehearsal studio with nothing but neon lights on the ceiling and it blew me away and everyone else in the room. I obviously am prejudice. I'm a fan of my wife. She's written many things, all wonderful, but this one, I swear to you, you will not be disappointed. It takes the cake. She it is her gift to us all. Come see it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

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[Katherine Grody]

She's very uncomfortable sitting and hearing this, and I'm a nervous wreck. You'll never like it as much as you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes, he will.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That means it's going to be good. She's a total actress in this way. Always worried.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

Starring Katherine Grody, the one and only.

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It's a wonderful place.

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[Katherine Grody]

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