Hasan Minhaj (75:56)
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, what I do love so much about, especially in toward the end of the series with Bronte, is that she has lost herself so much to this man and to who he's. Just the lies that he's told and the manipulation and the gaslighting and it's. And you lose yourself in that. If you've ever been in that kind of situation with not even, like, a romantic partner, with anyone who. Who makes you feel like you're just spinning in circles, you need someone, someone who knows you, to kind of hold your hand and, like, walk you back to sanity. Like, abuse dynamics are. So. It's like, why abuse dynamics is. The way I put it is because it's not cut and dry what abuse is for a lot of people. Like, you know, violence. Yes. Abuse, Screaming, yelling. Like, that is more clear. Like, vicious language, demeaning language. But. But getting someone to spin in a circle inside their mind to the point where, like, I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Like, to watch that happen or to experience it yourself, it's. It's so frightening. Like, and to see it happen to someone else, Like, I've been that person for my friends to kind of walk them back to sanity and to themselves. It's. It's the most insidious part of what Joe does, I think. I mean, besides the literal murder. Let's just. Let's make that clear. But he. He makes Bronte lose who she is. Not even just what she set out to do, because what she set out to do was to get answers about Beck. He. She questions herself, her intuition, her gut instinct, her own friends. And it's so. He does it so tactfully without really making her think. Like, is he. Is this wrong? Like, yes, she's questioning Sorry. She's so layered, especially in that ninth episode, that, like, it's hard to figure out even where she is. But Marianne is the one who brings her back to. I don't know, to herself. And when she lays out piece by piece, like, I know exactly what you're experiencing. I know exactly how you felt. He made me feel that, too. And listen to yourself and reminds her that, like, you can trust yourself again. You're allowed. I don't know that I've necessarily experienced. I totally have, actually. Just questioning, especially when I was younger, questioning, what did I do to make this situation happen? Like, this is my fault. I created this because I was also involved with someone who was saying, you created this, you wanted this. You did this to yourself. Um, and I didn't think I did. I didn't think, like, by the time it got to the point that it did, I'm like, did I ask for this? Did I allow this to happen? How could I have allowed this to happen? And I think what's so important about what she says, what Marianne says is, no, that's something that happens to other girls, that happens to other women. That happens to stupid women. I'm not stupid. I'm strong. I'm smart. And it can happen to anyone. Like, you can't outsmart yourself, really. Like, if. If someone can get one small hook into you, next thing you know, you don't recognize yourself anymore. You don't recognize the situation you're in, and you think you put yourself there, and it's. It's tragic like, that. It can happen to anyone because a really great manipulator is. I mean, it's masterful. You can't. How can you fight against something like that? Because what you're really doing is you're. You're allowing yourself to be loved. You're allowing yourself to be loved really well. And, I mean, luckily, the Internet is terrible in a lot of ways, but, like, people understand what, like, love bombing and gaslighting is. I think gaslighting is overused. People don't. I think when you really understand what gaslighting is and you see it. But I think what's. When I see a dynamic like that where like. Like Joe and Bronte. Bronte believes the good parts of Joe because she's allowing herself to be loved in a way she's never been loved. She's allows herself to be taken care of. Meanwhile, that is like a tactic, that is a method, that is a rule book that he follows time and time again. He finds the very specific Thing. The very specific need, the very specific place of, like, void. And he just fills it with love. And I think it's a testament to who Bronte is, is that she wants to be open to it, and it's just the wrong person. I'm talking in a circle.
