In episode 285 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesús sits down with leadership expert Leanne De Jesús for an in-depth conversation on how pool business owners, service techs, retailers, and builders can grow without burning out, falling behind, or constantly starting over.

What is upskilling?
Upskilling means improving and expanding the skills you already use in your role — not changing careers, but getting better, smarter, and more effective at what you’re already doing.

In the pool industry, upskilling can look like:

Developing leadership and people-management skills
Improving pricing, financial clarity, and decision-making
Learning new equipment, technology, and automation
Building sales and customer communication skills
Training your team so the business doesn’t rely only on you

Reskilling, on the other hand, is learning an entirely new role or function — like moving from service into building, retail, or management.

Throughout this episode, Edgar and Leanne break down why most frustration, burnout, and leadership struggles aren’t people problems — they’re skill gaps. They also explain why access to information alone doesn’t create better leaders, and how structure, mentorship, and intentional learning are what actually drive growth.

Whether you’re a one-truck operator or scaling a multi-location business, this conversation will help you:

Understand when to upskill vs when to reskill
Recognize early signs of burnout and stagnation
Build stronger leaders and more accountable teams
Create growth without chaos
Shift from operator thinking to owner thinking

This episode isn’t about working harder — it’s about thinking differently so your business can grow with clarity and control.

⏱️ Episode Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast
01:05 – Why upskilling and reskilling matter right now
03:00 – Pool Nation events, shows, and upcoming education
06:10 – What upskilling really looks like in real life
09:45 – AI, technology, and staying relevant
13:20 – How pool pros upskill without realizing it
16:10 – The difference between upskilling and reskilling
18:50 – When you should reskill vs improve your current skills
21:40 – Why people think they need to quit when they really need new skills
25:10 – Learning, testing, applying, and sharing knowledge
30:00 – Burnout, overwhelm, and hidden skill gaps
33:10 – Leadership problems vs skill problems
37:20 – Why information alone doesn’t create better leaders
40:50 – Time, structure, and intentional learning
44:30 – Sponsor break
46:00 – Upskilling business owners for growth and scale
50:30 – Hiring for skill vs hiring for personality
55:10 – Upskilling pool techs: sales, safety, and trust
1:01:40 – Retail teams, product knowledge, and relationships
1:07:30 – Why training fails without structure
1:12:00 – Train-the-trainer mindset and leadership confidence
1:17:40 – Why guided learning and mentorship matter
1:21:10 – The most important mindset shift: growth mindset
1:26:30 – Final thoughts and takeaways
1:30:00 – Closing remarks and where to find Pool Nation

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