349: Summer House Audio LEAKS, Zoë Kravitz & Harry Styles ENGAGED + YOUR BEST SKIN EVER ft. The Skin Clique

Summary

Pop Apologists – Episode 349
Summer House Audio LEAKS, Zoë Kravitz & Harry Styles ENGAGED + YOUR BEST SKIN EVER ft. The Skin Clique
Date: April 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Pop Apologists dives into three major segments:

• The leaked Summer House reunion audio and its aftermath
• The engagement of Zoë Kravitz and Harry Styles (with a fascinating Taylor Swift connection)
• A long-form interview with The Skin Clique’s Sarah and Claire, offering deep, candid skincare advice plus hot takes on celebrity beauty routines, injectables, lasers, GLP-1s, and more

Lauren and Chandler—sisters and co-hosts—bring their characteristic humor, pop culture obsession, and warm, confessional banter. The Skin Clique segment features experts Sarah and Claire, who provide practical, science-driven skincare tips while debunking industry myths and scams.

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1. Summer House Reunion Audio Leak

(Begins ~06:10)

Main Points

• Chandler and Lauren recount the chaos of waking up to a leaked audio file from the Summer House reunion, sent by their sister, Courtney. Chandler’s paranoia over sharing the leak before realizing it was already viral adds comic relief.
• The audio reveals a confrontation about Amanda's relationship with Wes, which apparently began while she was still married and while Wes was seeing other people. Sierra, her friend, feels deeply betrayed.
• The leak exposes not only the scandal but also the tension and lack of accountability in Amanda’s behavior, which the hosts call out as “slimy,” “defensive,” and lacking remorse.

Key Moments & Quotes

• “You get to run amok, and because everyone is your friend and get whatever you want from them.” – Sierra [10:52]
• “You tell yourself something so you can be at peace with the schmuck that you are.” – Kyle [11:01]
• “You went from being married to being one of west side bitches. That’s crazy.” – Mia [11:13]
• “You denied it and you were like, duh, we are best friends. I mean, that is so crazy.” – Sierra [14:54]
• Chandler summarizes: “Hearing how raw this was... it is going to be such a good reunion. I cannot wait.” [21:30]

Insights & Discussion

• The hosts debate Amanda’s lack of accountability and speculate if Bravo leaked the tape to juice up ratings (“I think with the release schedule... all this is doing is putting more eyeballs on this season.” – Lauren [25:18]).
• They note the “situationship” wasn’t a star-crossed romance but a messy, casual hookup that violated friendship codes.
• The segment closes with Lauren and Chandler theorizing about Bravo’s motivations, discussing whether the leak was strategic in the wake of last year’s reality TV “Scandoval.”

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2. Zoë Kravitz & Harry Styles Engagement + Taylor Swift Connections

(Begins ~27:14)

Main Points

• The sisters react to stunning paparazzi photos of Zoë’s new engagement ring (“an 8 to 10 karat elongated cushion cut” – Lauren [27:14]).
• Chandler is shocked by the fast timeline (“This is giving Mormon level of engagement timeline.” [27:49]); Lauren loves the age gap, comparing it to Eva Mendes & Ryan Gosling.
• Chandler notes both are “serial monogamists” but is cautious about how quickly Zoë got engaged post-breakup with Channing Tatum.

Taylor Swift Connection

• Zoë and Taylor are best friends; 1989 was inspired largely by Harry Styles, making the Kravitz-Styles union “a full circle moment.” Lauren recites “Clean” lyrics, highlighting the emotional complexity and potential awkwardness for Swift at the wedding ([33:13]).

Ring Aesthetics & Celebrity Beauty

• The hosts are delighted Zoë opted for a “big, fat diamond” instead of a minimalist band—“it’s validating... she’s just like us!” [31:20]
• The discussion segues into celebrity friendship, breakups, and pop music drama, always with a tinge of humor and self-awareness.

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3. Your Best Skin Ever ft. The Skin Clique

(Begins ~38:16; main interview runs to ~139:00)

Guests:
Sarah and Claire, nurse practitioners and founders of The Skin Clique

Main Topics

A. Skincare Fundamentals

• Importance of a basic, consistent routine: gentle cleanser, chemical exfoliant, antioxidant serum (vitamin C optional), retinol, and sunscreen
  • “I can’t clean the canvas with a needle.” – Claire [41:02]
  • “I want you on some sort of antioxidant serum... but don’t harp on vitamin C.” – Sarah [47:30]
• Results require patience: “I ask people to give me a year...” – Claire [45:10]
• Take before-and-after pictures to track changes [85:08]

B. Product Hot Takes

• Don’t stress about “medical grade” vs. drugstore—use pricier products on the face, cheaper for body [62:14]
• Retinoid family explained: Tretinoin = gold standard, but many can’t tolerate. Alpharet lauded as gentler, effective alternative [53:32]
• Vitamin C is not always necessary: “It’s more photo-protection than dramatic correction.” [48:09]
• Don’t wash face in the shower (too much heat) [76:26]
• Twice daily cleansing is optimal, even for dry skin [77:09]
• Use fresh disposable towels for drying, not hand towels [75:23]

C. Treatments & Devices

• Facials: Nice for relaxation, but not corrective (“If you got money to burn, go for it.” – Sarah [78:52])
• Home gadgets (LED masks, microcurrent): Only worth it as an add-on, not a replacement for basics [123:13]
• Microneedling and peels: Superior to most facial services for real results
• Dermaplaning is safe if done by pros; at home, use caution (clean blades, consider acne risk) [80:23]

D. Sun Protection & Pigment

• American sunscreens are fine—EU sunscreens may offer more chemical options but not essential [67:03]
• Mineral sunscreens generally preferred for safety, but new formulations are always launching [68:09]
• Daily SPF use is non-negotiable, as is minimizing sun exposure [59:46]
• Pigment inhibitors are key for freckles, melasma; don’t expect a one-and-done treatment [65:04]

E. Injectables, Laser, and GLP-1s

• Sculptra, Biostimulators, Fillers: Not for everyone; technique and provider matter infinitely more than brand. Sculptra can cause non-reversible nodules if mishandled [92:29]
• Botox/Neurotoxins: Don’t pick your formula—trust your injector. Price that’s “too cheap” is a red flag [98:01, 109:05]
• CO2 Lasers: Now being done younger; “there’s very little in aesthetics that’s completely right or wrong—it should be nuanced.” [95:35]
• GLP-1s (e.g., WeGovy): Game-changer for weight, health, and more, but risk of misuse and muscle loss—must be overseen by a medical professional [116:02]
  • “If you’re listening and on a GLP-1, you have to be doing strength training.” – Sarah [121:12]
• Celebrity aesthetic standards are unattainable for most: “If you’re both playing a game of beauty, [celebrities] are doing it on steroids.” – Lauren [132:01]
• Baby Botox: Not necessarily ideal; go for full, natural results and avoid underdosing [130:17]

F. Debunking Myths

• Facial exercise won’t replace cosmetic procedures and can even make frown lines worse [124:51]
• Don’t compare yourself to celebrities: Extreme access/resources and often misleading about their interventions [132:01]
• Filler migration isn’t guaranteed; it should fade slowly, but don’t top up every six months by default [101:36]
• Sun protection is more critical than obsessing over ingredient lists or European formulations [69:17]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “There’s a very clear playbook for how to lower the temperature... take accountability and apologize.” – Lauren [22:47]
• On spending: “Gone are the days where we’re letting pharmaceutical companies tell us you have to redo lip filler every six months.” – Claire [101:36]
• “Someone should have told her no, like, six appointments ago.” – Claire, on Real Housewives–style overfilling [134:36]
• “Texture is normal and good.” – Sarah [138:33]
• Chandler on the realities of beauty: “If you’re comparing yourself to these celebrities, it’s a fool’s errand... it’s their job, even more than ours.” [132:25]

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4. Where to Find The Skin Clique

• Website: skinclick.com
• IG: @skinclick | @sarahbullocknp | @claire.obrien.np
• Listeners get 10% off with code POP10 (exclusions: GLP-1s) [139:25]
• Services offered nationwide via virtual consults

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:10] Summer House leaked reunion audio & analysis
• [27:14] Zoë Kravitz & Harry Styles engagement (plus Taylor Swift notes)
• [38:16] Skin Clique interview begins—Lauren & Chandler’s skin journeys
• [43:01] Building a foundational skincare routine
• [53:32] Retinoid family explained (tretinoin/Alpharet/etc.)
• [67:03] EU vs. US sunscreen debate
• [78:02] Facials: what’s worth it, what’s not
• [92:29] Sculptra, bio stimulators, and injectable risks
• [109:05] Red flags for injectors; Botox risks
• [116:02] GLP-1s, weight loss, and health
• [124:51] Do facial exercises work?
• [128:23] Celebrities and the truth behind their beauty routines

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Episode in a Nutshell

Pop Apologists 349 is a must-listen (or must-read!) if you:

• Love Bravo and reality TV drama evolution
• Want honest, practical beauty and skincare advice without influencer BS
• Are curious about new injectables, lasers, or even at-home devices and want expert perspective
• Appreciate sisterly wit, skepticism about celebrity claims, and a supportive view of beauty at every age and stage

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Original tone maintained: conversational, self-aware, pop culture savvy, and science-based, with sidebars and some irreverent humor.

Transcript

[Lauren]

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[Sarah]

i sold my car in Carvana last night.

[Lauren]

Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand.

[Chandler]

It went perfectly.

[Lauren]

Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes to smoothie.

[Sarah]

I'm waiting for the catch.

[Lauren]

Maybe there's no catch.

[Chandler]

That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.

[Lauren]

Wow, you need to relax.

[Chandler]

I need a knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this table wood?

[Claire]

I think it's laminate.

[Lauren]

Okay, yeah, that's good. That's close enough.

[Sarah]

Car selling without a catch.

[Claire]

Sell your car today on Carvana.

[Sarah]

Pick up these may app.

[Lauren]

Chandler. Welcome back to another edition of Pop Apologist. Well, well, well. Hello.

[Chandler]

Well, well, well. Greetings, Lauren. How are you on this? How are you on this fine evening?

[Lauren]

Well, I don't know if you can tell for the tenor of my. Usually I would say normally pitched voice, but I am out of commission, essentially vocally because I had my best friend's wedding in Mexico this past weekend and so I am a little worse for wear. But there's so much happening in the pop culture world that we will be remiss if I didn't at least try to get behind the mic and opine on the many goings on.

[Chandler]

It's true, it's true. Lots has happened. You were kind of out of commission this whole weekend. You Know, celebrating. There are multiple times when I tried to get into contact with you when you could not be reached. I had to send several question marks to get, you know, a response from you.

[Lauren]

Yeah, well, a few things I want to say really quickly before we dive into the meat and what's really been happening in this world. I was very distracted because I was at one of my best friends in the entire world. I was at her wedding. I spoke at this wedding. I gave a toast. It was a very big deal. I was so excited for it. And I just have to say that as a disclaimer because last week we were like Chandler's, you know, she's going to Utah this week or this weekend for our little sister's college graduation. And then I just look like a total asshole because there was no mention of why I wasn't getting, you know, my ass on a flight.

[Chandler]

I'm gonna hold your hand when I. When I tell this to you. When I say this to you. No one's thinking about you or your goings on in our head to. Did somebody message?

[Lauren]

You know, what's so funny is no one actually cares at all. And this has all been my own neurosis telling me that I need to give this disclaimer, so.

[Claire]

Right.

[Chandler]

Well, people are used to this kind of behavior from you, so it's not like it's anything new. But, yeah, no, I. I'm glad. I'm glad you were able to be there for your friend. Lauren. How did this. How did the speech go? Did you take a beta blocker? Were you nervous? You know what?

[Lauren]

I did not take a beta blocker. I just have to say this very briefly. If you were ever asked to give a speech, I know it. It's not necessarily as carefree, easygoing, just like, hop on a plane, go to a wedding and enjoy type of feeling.

[Claire]

Right.

[Lauren]

There's some pressure. There's a little bit of work involved. It is so meaningful, and it is so worth the work. Never deny giving a speech ever. Because it is. It's just such an honor. And so anyway, the speech went well. A few jokes really landed. A few didn't. But you know what? No one's perfect. And I tried my best.

[Chandler]

And I think that's kind of a metaphor for life and for marriage. You know, some jokes are gonna land, and some of them sure aren't. I love that you're gonna offer another disclaimer, but I love that. I love that piece of advice. Do people turn down speeches often?

[Lauren]

Yeah. When. When we had our wedding, there Were a few people that told Kagan no. Oh, I think God is a lot more. Men are different. Men are much more comfortable being like, nah, brah, I'm not doing that. So.

[Chandler]

Right. Right. Well, lovely. Anyway, how have you been? I've been great. I. I did have a busy week and weekend, but I am back in the saddle now. I want to take us back to last Friday.

[Claire]

Okay.

[Chandler]

I want to take us back

[Lauren]

when

[Chandler]

you and I had. We had, you know, recorded our episode. We were, you know, you were getting it uploaded and I was getting ready to leave, you know, to go on my little weekend trip. I got back at like 1am I to leave the next morning to go upstate for a friend's birthday. And we woke up to an audio message from Courtney, our sister. And it said. And it said, I've been told to send this to the pop apologist.

[Lauren]

Oh, yeah.

[Chandler]

And so let me also. Okay, let me go back a little bit. I got home from my flight very late. Like, I said, 1am and you know when you've just been literally rotting on your phone for so long, I've watched all the possible, all the reels, all the tick tocks, all the Reddit threads, everything that I ever wanted to scroll on, I've scrolled and I've seen, and then I've gone back and looked at it again. So I got home and I was like, it, I'm breaking my phone. I want to enjoy my life.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And so I bricked my phone before going to bed that night. I was like, I'm gonna sleep in. You know, I'm gonna wake up refreshed, ready to go on this other trip. So I broke my phone. But then we wake up to this audio message from Courtney that says, I've been told to send this to the pop apologists. And holy. What I hear when I. When I, you know, upon waking, upon listening to this voice message was the leaked audio from the summer house reunion. Okay. And I. I'm just like, I cannot believe we've been entrusted with this information. I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm like, wow, we finally made it. Because we are. We are the Dan Rathers and the, you know, I don't know, I can't think of another journalist apologies community, but I'm like, we are the boots on the ground people that. They're like, get this in the hands of the. Of the people who are going to bring. What does the New York Times we say, like, bring power to account or whatever. Hold power to account. Like, that's us.

[Lauren]

No, it absolutely is the case. I think, actually, Dan Rather is the only journalist anyone needs to know about any journalist of note. And so you're right. We were sent the audio. Was this given to us before it hit the airwaves? So.

[Chandler]

So just shut up for a second, because I have to tell you that once again, remember, my phone is bricked. Apologize.

[Lauren]

We're talking on our podcast.

[Claire]

But.

[Chandler]

Okay, yeah, I need you to shut up. So then I am, like, any good friend would do. I send this to my two other besties who are in the, you know, summer house psychosis with me. And I said, don't send this anywhere else because I do not even know where this is from. And I send the audio message in Invisible, Inc. And I send, like, another message in Invisible, Inc. Okay, my phone is great.

[Lauren]

This is so funny. This is so funny. You're like.

[Chandler]

Like, I'm risking it all for. For Candace and Liz. I'm risking it all for them. Shout out.

[Lauren]

You're like, if there's any chance that anyone at Bravo has your phone tapped right now, I could lose my life. I might have to go into the witness protection program.

[Chandler]

I mean, you and I always talk about, like, people showing up to take us away to prison. Like, it would make sense. It would be like, yep, you're exactly right. Take me away.

[Lauren]

And, my dear, I'm sorry, let me just land that joke for everyone. We talk about the fact that we have anxiety, and so at some point, some point, if the police arrive to arrest us, it will just be like, okay, the world makes sense. We always knew this was coming. Please continue.

[Chandler]

The Lime Wire songs I downloaded 25 years ago. Like, it's. It's. It's caught up to me.

[Lauren]

They're finally going to sue us for everything we have.

[Chandler]

Yes. Yes. I made one too many Nordstrom returns. Okay, so then my. My dear. My dear bestie Candice says, you know, very politely, it's like, it takes a minute for her to respond, which I thought was kind of interesting. I'm like, why are they not responding sooner? But it takes, like, a minute. And she goes, wait, Chandler, have you been offline? This is everywhere. All caps. I am sorry if I sound like a bitch. She goes, because regardless, all caps. Again, you sent this to us, and that is so goddamn real.

[Lauren]

It's like, okay, thank you for letting us know what is actually every other suggested reel on every social media platform across every device. So funny.

[Chandler]

And it's just so funny because I. I sent it in invisible ink. Like, I'm like, You can't even look at this on your own phone. And it.

[Lauren]

It will.

[Chandler]

Like. It's not even that. It's not even secure enough for you to look at it on your own phone.

[Lauren]

No Foley.

[Chandler]

It's like.

[Lauren]

You also probably overnighted them. One of those like. Like screen security. Like, you know, you can have those. Like, those. You can put something over the top of your glass.

[Claire]

Yeah, the glass.

[Chandler]

Like a privacy screen.

[Lauren]

That's glass. A privacy screen. Thank you. Yeah. Chandler, I really appreciate how much you were trying to protect the integrity of the Summer house reunion. However, it was already blown up, okay? It was epic in spite of your valiant efforts.

[Chandler]

So then I have no choice but to unbrick my phone after what was, you know, a strong and courageous seven hours of it being bricked. And because I have to see, I'm like, oh, my gosh, if this is everywhere, then. Then it's everywhere. I need to hear. I need to see all the commentary.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

And so anyway, but Candice did say this is the greatest ad for Brick ever. They should be a sponsor.

[Lauren]

That is. That is absolutely the case for the amount of times you discuss this brand for free on our show. Brick needs to cough up the cash.

[Chandler]

You know what? And I got a message from a listener saying, thank you so much because it's really helped them, so shut up.

[Lauren]

Let me just say something really, really. I'm going to try to be as

[Chandler]

gentle and you're going to hold my

[Lauren]

hand as I can. I'm going to hold your hand as I say this. Let's shut the fuck up about Brick and talk about this leaked audio, because

[Chandler]

that is how people want us to. You're exactly right. You're exactly right. You are exactly right.

[Lauren]

Okay, so Sierra says you get to run amok, and because everyone is your friend and get whatever you want from them. And Kyle says that's what's been so fraudulent. Sierra says, yes. It's literally your mo. Kyle says it's like you tell yourself something so you can be at peace with the schmuck that you are, but everybody else has a completely different interpretation of their relationship with you. Mia says you went from being married. And I'm not saying your relationship was perfect. It's definitely not. Amanda replies. And Mia says, but you went from being married to being one of west side bitches. That's crazy.

[Chandler]

Okay, so we gotta talk about this here, because this is what everybody is up in arms about, because it's the fact that they are not, you know, it's not like they fell in Love. And they've just had this, like, deeply, you know, serious relationship behind the scenes that they couldn't help but fall into. Literally is like a friends with benefits, like, situationship.

[Lauren]

Right? No, they're not even trying to front. Like, this is like they are one true. Like this. They're Romeo and Juliet. You know that they're star crossed lovers, but that cruel witch of fate, Chandler has this in store for them. Okay. They're not saying that. It feels like the tone is like we got horny for each other and we like each other.

[Chandler]

And then it's like you can't help who you. You know, who you're friends with benefits with. Which we'll get into her. Literally.

[Lauren]

Not.

[Chandler]

Yeah, continue.

[Lauren]

So Amanda acknowledges Mia saying that you went from being married to one of west side batch. That's crazy. Amanda's. Amanda says, okay. And Mia says, this is unnecessary. And Wes says the statement came out incredibly rushed because of how insane it all became. Lindsay. You got smoked out, Andy. And so why did you feel the need, Amanda? No, because there was a video that was out there, and the last thing I wanted was for us to continue denying it and for this video of me taken in a very vulnerable, intimate situation to be used as blackmail or released publicly.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

So, yeah, here.

[Claire]

Here she confirms.

[Chandler]

Amanda confirms the fact that there was a video of her and west that, you know, the. The video that we had all heard the rumors about, where they were in a compromising position that was taken, I believe, of them in West's apartment. So it's very questionable the way this video was obtained. It's actually illegal, I believe. And. But she confirms that that was real, that there was a video of her in a compromising position, and that that is what that was. The. You know, like, that was the main reason that they ended up going public.

[Lauren]

Yeah, because essentially they were caught.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

So then Andy continues, what was that video? And Lindsay says, so how long have you been denying it? And Amanda says, I don't. I don't know what that video was. And Sierra says, and would you have even came to me if the video didn't come out? Amanda says, 1000%. And Sierra says, so when? What was the plan?

[Chandler]

Okay, one thing I want to say, though, Lindsay. And you can kind of hear in the background, Lindsay says, you got smoked out, basically.

[Lauren]

Says, earlier she said that? Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yes. Lindsay says that earlier she said you got smoked out. Like, the only reason why you came out with it was because people were smoking you out. And then I think it's like it's so important that they are being asked like, so when did this begin? So when was this? When did this all get started? Because, you know, we know when you had to come public with it, but

[Lauren]

we don't know when it began. Yeah, yeah, well, but. But they're not asking that right now. Right now. They're just asking, what was the plan? Like, when were you going to up. What were you going to tell Sierra? Essentially? Yeah, yeah.

[Chandler]

Amongst. That's like one of the other questions amongst all of them.

[Lauren]

So then Sierra says, because I asked you, because I sent you a text, I asked you when the rumors came out, is this true? And you were like, no. And Amanda says, I denied it. Sierra, you were like, me and west are just friends. Amanda, 100%. I denied it and I lied to you. Sierra, you denied it and you were like, duh, we are best friends. I mean, that is so crazy.

[Chandler]

Okay, so this also confirms the fact that this was all swirling with the summer house cast, you know, behind the scenes. I mean, Kyle kind of confirmed this and it's been confirmed through other press interviews, but it was just like Sierra was like, what the fuck is happening? Like, is this real? It was not like they had. They had more of a heads up in any way.

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

There's so many. Yeah.

[Lauren]

That she was willing to basically hook up with west, screw her best friend's, you know, like, unrequited past love that she's completely hung up on. She was willing to betray her, her best friend for a guy who was actively screwing other girls for a guy

[Chandler]

who is not fully committed to her.

[Lauren]

She. Not in love with her. Nothing. No.

[Chandler]

I also have to say that, you know, I. I think I really now question how real their friendship ever was. Like, how real Amanda to Sierra, like, best friend energy there ever was. Like, if Amanda was ever her, like, true friend. Because I just think, like, if you're really literally willing to be like, friends with benefits with your. With your. With somebody who's in your. Who's your good friend with their, Like. Yeah. Like an ex that torments them to this day. You must really literally care about this person so little. Like, that your friend. It. I don't know, it's just like.

[Lauren]

It's so.

[Chandler]

It's so slimy to do this. You just literally don't give a single. About your friend.

[Lauren]

Yeah. No. Or you're just a person who really care about other people, but only when they're right in front of you. And then at the end of the day, what you really care about is yourself.

[Chandler]

So then it's like, how much. How does that. You know, I guess your care doesn't mean anything.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Your friendship doesn't mean anything. So anyway.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So, okay, so after Amanda says, there were so many layers to this. She was figuring it out. He's seeing other people. I was still technically married. So then Carl says, is there not enough complications to go, what the are we doing here? And Ciara says, right? Yeah. And Carl says, period. And Amanda says, we talked about it. And Ciara says, so it was so conscious that you guys talked about it. It wasn't just a drunk hookup. You guys talked about it. Another very important point, because it would be different. It absolutely would be different. I mean, it would be 100% different if it was like, yeah, we got blackout drunk and we had sex and I feel horrible and you never have to look at me again. I have to come clean to you about this. I'm the worst person. Like, I'm so sorry. Like, but to deliberately have a situationship with West. I'm sorry. I'm just. This is wild.

[Chandler]

It's wild and it's just Hearing like the screws we put to the two of them. I mean, let's also talk about the fact that we are not even hearing from west really in this. He's not saying anything.

[Lauren]

Right, Right. Okay, so then Ciara says, we all know. And Amanda says it started with how. And then Ciara continues how fucking weird it would be. And you still did it. You chose to do it. You kept doing it and you're hiding it. And Amanda says, okay, so guess what? Sometimes you can't help who you like and who you are attracted to. I mean, this is one of my favorite quotes of this entire stunning transcript because it's absolutely correct. You can't help who you're attracted to. That's called biology. That's called being a human. Okay? We're all going to go through life, we're going to find people attractive. You can absolutely control though, who you hook up with. Like the second you get married, the second you get a committed relationship, the second your friend starts dating someone that doesn't just like shut off your own sexual instincts. But what separates moral people from people who actually destabilize, like the entire fabric of our society are the people who just let their genitalia, you know, do the decision making for them. Okay, thank you.

[Chandler]

I mean, we live in a society

[Lauren]

like we do, that needs to be upheld. And we need the fabric of our society to stay closely knit. And if all we did was just screw around with whoever we were attracted to, like the human race would be in an even worse condition than it is today.

[Chandler]

Agreed. Okay, please continue with the transcript because I, I feel like this next part is so. It's just like, it revs my engines in the best ways.

[Lauren]

Okay, so Amanda. Okay, so guess what? Sometimes you can't help who you like and who you are attracted to. And Sierra says you actually can help it. You can. Nobody was ever saying you needed to stay celibate or what the ever. But there are a million other guys in New York City and you know how much that me up and you chose the one guy. And Amanda says, I didn't choose. I didn't. And Sierra says, because you're a snake, Amanda. A. A snake in the grass is what you are. You move silent, but you're deadly. So that's basically how it ends.

[Chandler]

I am just like still in my summer house psychosis because just hearing how raw this was, it's just, it's. It is going to be such a good reunion. I cannot wait for it. I also like, I don't know, I'M we heard this fully unedited audio, and, you know, we don't know how they would have edited this. And this is the first time we've ever gotten in a leak like this.

[Lauren]

Yeah. It's interesting because there are some opinions out there that they're going to try to give Amanda a good edit to try to preserve the city. So this being leaked is very interesting because obviously Amanda just threw herself under the bus in this reunion. And I mean, the way that she.

[Chandler]

I disagree. I don't think she threw herself under the bus.

[Lauren]

Yeah, she did, by the way that she reacted. The way that she took no accountability, was aggressive with Sierra. She didn't cop to anything that she did. She was entirely defensive. She has just made herself look so bad.

[Chandler]

I mean, she. She's just super combative and defensive of her. Of herself, which I think was going to always fight her. Yeah, it's absolutely not the.

[Lauren]

I mean, there's a whole reason why you can accept a plea deal and get a lesser sentence and admit your guilt or you can plead not guilty and, you know, get the book thrown at you.

[Claire]

Okay.

[Lauren]

Because if you, you know, if you accept what you did was wrong and you apologize, we, as a culture, we're much more amenable to that, to people taking accountability. It's like, Amanda, give me a call. There's a very clear playbook for how to try to, you know, like. What's the right word to try to not mitigate this. Yeah, there's just a very clear playbook for how to lower the temperature and it's right. Take accountability and apologize and doubling down is just not the move whatsoever. How about the fact also that they left the reunion together?

[Chandler]

I know.

[Lauren]

Under that blanket.

[Chandler]

They don't care. They don't care.

[Lauren]

They.

[Chandler]

They are. They are in this. So I want to talk about the fact that, you know, this audio leaks on Friday. There have now been, I think, two more leaks. The only other one that I saw was. Was the one that I think came out today or yesterday where we hear, like, west talking about. Oh, wait, hold on. I have to say that there are rumors that their statement was written by Chat GPT that Amanda told sources that. Yeah, like, they do not care. They continue to baffle me.

[Lauren]

That was in the second leaked audio. She said it was ruined by ChatGPT. And then she said. Not really. Just kidding.

[Chandler]

Okay. Yeah, I'm. I think the only audio that I have heard is this one. And so that's why I'm, like, a little confused about some of these like alleged leaked audios, because you, I feel like you can't trust the transcriptions of the ones that have already been taken down. But, you know, then there was all this chatter about was this a cast member, was this a production person? And so I, I'm just, I am very curious to hear what happens.

[Lauren]

I, I do have a crazy theory. What I know that this theory is wrong, but there is 10% to 30% of my brain that thinks that this was leaked by Bravo. I think that they wanted another. Like, they love that this is the new Scandal, and I think they want to keep this drama as hot as possible for as long as possible. And I think with the release schedule, I know people, I know people will say, like, no, that breaks the integrity of the production process, the storytelling process. I know that that is probably correct, but look at this. This is all we can talk about. We are weeks and weeks into this Amanda and West Scandal, and all this is doing is putting more eyeballs on this season.

[Chandler]

So I, I, I can see that, I can see where you're coming from. I just think they, there are other ways. I think they could have leaked stuff to do more. I think they could have leaked, you know, like, blurbs about this is what we heard happened at the reunion. But to have a full, unedited audio, I don't know.

[Lauren]

There's just a part of me that's like, there is a part of me that maybe it's almost getting into the territory of, like, are we living in a simulation? You know, are we just fish in some, like, in some all powerful entities. Fishbowl. But is them, or, sorry, was them leaving together under that blanket? Was that something that was planned by Bravo? Like, I don't know. Sometimes I just wonder how much of this is staged and how much of this is real. Like, I believe that Sierra is not in on it, but there is a world, I think, where. There's a world, I think, where this could all be concocted in certain ways. Or at least like, they found out this was going on and they're like, all right, right, it's time to now spin this into the craziest drama since Scandal because they, I'm sorry, they, I'm sure, missed the scandal of all money being printed.

[Chandler]

Yeah, well, I mean, I, I don't agree with you, but I do think, you know, we can't really trust everybody involved in this scenario. I think they also have a lot riding on Amanda because of the, that's true. The, the, the city, the spin off. So the other Thing is, like, I

[Lauren]

was never gonna watch the City until now.

[Chandler]

Well, I think Summer House fans were gonna watch the City.

[Lauren]

True, but now there's a million more Summerhouse fans. All I'm saying is generally all that the difference between a conspiracy theory and

[Chandler]

the truth is like a year.

[Lauren]

So let's just see where we're at in a year.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah, fair enough.

[Lauren]

That's what our dad likes to tell us.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Okay, Lauren. Well, I mean, should we get into Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles quickly?

[Lauren]

We must, we must, we must. Okay, everyone, Zoe Kravitz, she's engaged for the third time. I, I was astonished when I saw these pop photos of her with an 8 to 10 karat elongated cushion cut bezel set. Solitaire. Chandler, what are, what are your thoughts on this couple? Because I, I do have much to discuss.

[Chandler]

Oh, I, I think I'm hot for this couple. I am quite surprised by this engagement. I think that this is quite early for a celebrity engagement. I mean, this is giving Mormon level of engagement timeline.

[Claire]

It's.

[Lauren]

Well, it's a little late. It's eight months. So I would say, well, I don't

[Chandler]

know, say a year. A year and less feels like all Mormon territory. I mean, it's giving. We're not having premarital sex.

[Lauren]

You know what, Chandler? I like that you're wearing the tinfoil hat during this discussion, unlike me. So while I do think that they are probably engaging in premarital sex, I think that regard bliss. They clearly are ready to walk down the aisle toward matrimonial bliss. And I, I love that she is five years older than him. I think it's giving Ryan Gosling and Eva Mendez. You know, Ryan Gosling obviously was like the hottest guy of our generation. He was the biggest heartthrob. And he has turned into like a wonderful family. Family man for a woman that is a little bit older than him. And I love that Harry Styles also, who many like a heartthrob to your generation, essentially.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Is also kind of falling in the same footsteps.

[Chandler]

I don't know.

[Lauren]

I, I see them, like, having kids and going the distance. I really do.

[Chandler]

I, I don't know if I see that for them. I think what's interesting here, I mean, she was engaged to Channing Tatum for three years. And I think if you broke off an engagement after three years, it seems natural to be a little bit more reticent to like, get engaged again so quickly. So I don't know that that is

[Lauren]

like, when, you know, you know, there's something romantic about. There's something romantic about the speed of it, too.

[Sarah]

It's.

[Chandler]

I think it's romantic, and I. Maybe I'm gonna sound, you know, like I'm slut shaming her, so here I go. But I think it's more romantic on his end because I don't think he's ever. You know, he's never proposed to anybody as far as we know. But she was, like, married. She. She was married, like, for a short stint during COVID I want to say. And then she was with Channing Tatum. She's a relationship girl. He's also a relationship guy. I mean, I hope. I hope that they are. I mean, they are, I think, a great match. But something about this, to me, feels. I don't know. I kind of wish they were dating for a little bit longer. I don't know if I like how fast this is moving. Personally. I don't know if I like it.

[Lauren]

I think it's hot. And you know what else I will say? Well, two things. One, I was considering. I'm like Zoe Kravitz. She's just three big diamond rings, okay? Movie stars falling in love with her. What? You know, like, sex tips does she have that she could share? Some sort of, like, Coursera offering, You know, maybe. Maybe give Amanda Francis a run for her money with some sort of online course. And then I just thought about, like, the literally 100 out of 10 face, body and charisma and cool factor, and I was like, oh, wait, it's actually probably that.

[Chandler]

It's actually probably that she's alien level cool.

[Lauren]

There's. There's no PowerPoint, okay, that can help us mortals, right? But the other thing is, I love. One thing that I do think is helping us mortal women is the ring, okay. Because it's a little bit of a basic choice, and I just think it takes a little bit of the pressure off, you know?

[Chandler]

Yeah, totally.

[Lauren]

Another girl who likes a bfd, a big, fat diamond. The fact that that's what Zoe Kravitz likes to like. That's really cool, actually.

[Chandler]

I mean, edgy. Nothing would have been more annoying than if she got a gold band.

[Lauren]

Oh, my gosh. Nothing. It would have made us all so cheap Cheugy, who like our big, you know, just, like, sparklers. So with a girl as cool as

[Chandler]

her, I could just see, you know, she's a wild card. So. Yeah, I agree. The ring choice feels like it's. It's. It's validating. It's like, okay, like, we're good here. She's just like us. She's just, you know, she puts on her pants one leg at a time, just like the rest of us. Her big diamond on one finger at a time. The other thing here, the Taylor Swift connection.

[Lauren]

Oh, okay. Which we must discuss because we must discuss. Zoe and Taylor are BFFs. But can I remind you that the album called 1989 was written about Harry Styles. 1989, Chandler. Some would say her crowning musical achievement and probably one of the most devastating sonic masterpieces that has graced this planet. Chandler, the song clean written about Harry Styles.

[Chandler]

Lots of songs written about Harry Styles.

[Lauren]

I, I did. You know what? I did compile a few lyrics. Okay. That I want to share.

[Chandler]

Okay. Oh, you know what? Actually, sorry, this is really quick, Back to Summer House. Back to Taylor Swift lyrics. When Mia says this is so unnecessary, it's like smallest man who ever lived. It was unnecessary. Should have let it stay buried.

[Lauren]

Oh, you think that was a deep cut?

[Chandler]

Well, no, I don't. I just actually chilling parallels between that song. Like Amanda and Wes should have. It was unnecessary. They should have let it stay buried. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking about in my Summer House psychosis. Join me.

[Lauren]

You know what? Honestly, in the Summer House dialogue, there were a lot of vowels used. And I don't know if you know this, but Taylor Swift also uses a ton of vowels.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And so I believe that there was. There was a lot of illusions happening. Okay.

[Chandler]

She will write a song about this, an album. It'll be like, you know, the names will be changed to something more like 1920s esque, but there will be a song about this.

[Lauren]

Let the flood carry away all my pictures of you. The water filled my lungs I screamed so loud. Chandler. But no one heard a thing. I mean, this is devastating. This is absolutely devastating. And is it over now? She talks about how she dreams of building she can jump off of only if only to see him come running.

[Chandler]

I think she is over that, Styles. I do think this was a. This was a deep cut when, you know, when things were initially over. I think this did hurt her. But I do think she is over Harry Styles. I don't think she is still pining after Harry Styles in the way that I feel like she has pined after other men who shall remain nameless.

[Lauren]

Remember, when you hit the brakes too soon,

[Chandler]

I'm starting to feel your poetry, your poetry roots creep back up again. So it's time to move it along.

[Lauren]

All I will say is I don't think A woman who could write a song like out of the Woods. Is it over now? Clean. I don't think that her pulse isn't gonna be racing a little bit faster when she walks into the cocktail hour at Zoe and Harry's wedding. Of course. This. This is just. This is a complex. This is a complexity of the human experience that we should all be attuned to. Oh, I do have a Taylor Swift disclaimer I have to give.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah. Please share.

[Lauren]

Okay, really quickly, before we cut to the rest of this episode, everyone, I just want to say that I said on this esteemed podcast that I was ready for Taylor and Travis's honeymoon period to be over. Now, I said that only because I love Taylor's music when there's a little bit more of a tinge of sadness. However, my goal for Taylor is a life of joy and, you know, a stress free, problem free life. If she rides off into the sunset, my life will be better for it, even if I never receive another tune again. So I would send that statement.

[Chandler]

Okay, let's double time this. Where are we going? Oh, you're just rescinding. That's done.

[Lauren]

That's it.

[Chandler]

Oh, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did because I think that's bad juju out in the world.

[Lauren]

No, I know it wasn't a nice thing to say. I mean, it was a selfish thing to say. But ultimately, I love Taylor more than I love her, you know, more than I love the music. I actually, my parasocial bond is that delusional.

[Chandler]

That's wonderful that it goes beyond the. The art.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it does. Wonderful.

[Chandler]

To the person, directly to the person herself. Well, Lauren, I guess on that note, I will say that we are planning on discussing the, you know, songwriter interview that she just came out with, that the New York Times just came out with. We, Lauren and I, we need to spiritually, physically, mentally sit with that interview. I would like to watch it at least four times. So we will be talking about that on the premium. We just didn't have time during this segment.

[Lauren]

Yes, because we literally have the episode we had planned for this week ready for you after this quick break. You want to stick around for it because I will tell you that Chandler's skin absolutely transformed after she got on the skin clicks plan with Sarah, her practitioner, her sage, you know, her guru. I saw it before my eyes. And then when we recorded this episode, Sarah actually gave me, like, a new routine to do. I swear to you, my skin has never looked better. I'm going to post a photo. They are absolutely incredible. Their answers to all of your skincare questions are so science based, I find. I just find them to be such great follows on Instagram and such great resources to get the best skin of your life.

[Chandler]

We literally had the best time talking with them. I felt like we could have gone on for three more hours. So everyone, I hope you really enjoy this episode.

[Lauren]

Episode this Mother's Day I've been thinking so much about how moms are usually the ones behind all the little comforts that we remember most. I think one of the biggest gifts now, looking back on my childhood, is that we were really raised in spite of there being six of us in a very orderly house. And that came from a lot of work and effort from our mom. This Mother's Day, I want to give my mom the same kind of effort she gave us every day. And Cozy Earth is where I'm going to get her a thoughtful gift.

[Claire]

Gift.

[Lauren]

All the Bledsoe girls sleep on Cozy Earth. We absolutely love it. If you're gifting this Mother's Day, I highly recommend the waffle bathrobe or the Rib Terry bathrobe. Such great gifts. Also know that everything comes with a hundred night sleep trial and a 10 year warranty. So it's something that your mom can really count on. Let this Mother's Day be a reminder that she deserves care too. Discover how Cozy Earth turns everyday routines into moments of softness and ease. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code POP for an exclusive 20 off. And if you see a post purchase survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here on Pop Apologist. Because home starts with mom.

[Chandler]

Well, well, well, everybody. We are so lucky because we are joined by Sarah and Claire from the Skin Click. These are two fantastic nurse practitioners. They know all the things about skin care and it's kind of a full circle moment for us because we've actually we've had you on before, but many, many moons ago in the early days of pop apologists. It was what, three years ago?

[Lauren]

Four years ago.

[Sarah]

Yeah, 20. 22.

[Claire]

Yeah, almost four years ago.

[Chandler]

Apologies to everybody for probably the audio quality of that episode. We have definitely had a slight glow up.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Claire and Sarah are full OG Pop apostles and global elites.

[Sarah]

Global elite.

[Lauren]

So we are honored, truly that you've been with us on such a long journey. Thank you so much for coming on today.

[Sarah]

It's been a beautiful journey.

[Claire]

Beautiful journey. Full circle. And here we are.

[Sarah]

Here we are.

[Claire]

Look at us. Look at us now.

[Lauren]

It was so Funny. So we did that skincare episode, and I saw Chandler's skin after she started working with you. Truly transform. It was very impressive. You had a full glow up. Do you remember this?

[Chandler]

Yeah. And, you know, it's funny, you say this. What was my skin like before? You've said this multiple times. Like, my skin really transformed.

[Lauren]

No, it did.

[Chandler]

What was the state?

[Lauren]

I mean, it just begin with. It just was in a state that improved.

[Claire]

You know, that was a nice way to say that.

[Chandler]

It certainly could. Could have used some improvements. And so thankfully, you know, you guys set me up.

[Lauren]

No. And I feel like working with Sarah, you really got on a good regime, a good skincare regime that really showed a significant change and improvement. And I'm so excited to have you guys back on the show today because you guys are true experts, and we can chat about that journey and all of our listener questions. Because skincare is truly something that I had no idea how polarizing of a topic it could be. Like, how charged people's opinions, how intense it can be when we have these episodes and strong opinions are voiced and the reaction, the backlash that can come.

[Chandler]

I just have to say I'm having a flashback to being on the phone with you for the very first time when you're walking me through my skin journey and I'm talking to you about what lotion I'm using on my face. And it wasn't. I'm trying to remember what it was, but it was like a very. It was like a lotion you use on your feet, basically.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And you're like, okay, we're gonna stop that.

[Claire]

It said body butter or something. Like, you know what?

[Chandler]

No more of the Everclear or whatever. I can't remember what it was. I'm so annoyed.

[Sarah]

But it might have been, like, a cetaphil body.

[Chandler]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't like cerave or cetaphil.

[Lauren]

It was.

[Chandler]

It was usurin. It was like, usurin.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Oh, God.

[Chandler]

I just literally could hear your, like, voice in my head saying, no more usurin.

[Claire]

On your face, girl.

[Lauren]

On your face.

[Sarah]

Yeah, we just streamlined it for you, and it really just took, like, we swapped out, like, two or three things.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And really, just a lot of times, it can be that simple.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

You breaking out. I'm like, I don't remember, like, what.

[Sarah]

You were breaking out a little. And you're pretty oily.

[Chandler]

Yes, super oily. Sarah's gonna tell you what my skin was like before.

[Claire]

I know. How bad was it?

[Sarah]

The user and it was pretty.

[Chandler]

It was the user. And I was using like ultra repair, like, you know, foot cream on my face. And I had never used really any type of like retinol retin, a tretinoin on my skin in any type of way that like, you know, was good. I feel like I used it and then I would get a rash and then I would just stop. So, like, you're, you were the first person who set me up with like, Alpharette and like the actual treatments, like the vitamin C, all the things you actually need to, like, take care of your skin and see good changes. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Anyway, so I think kind of dovetailing off of that, let's talk about the basics. The foundation, skincare, really the bread and butter of. I think what you both do, right, for sure is skin care. Because, like, if you don't have good skin surgery, lasers, all of that stuff, it really, it can only go so far as what your at home program is supporting.

[Claire]

Okay. So there's such a good analogy for that. And it's basically imagine going to the dentist twice a year to get your teeth cleaned, but you're like, oh, I don't brush my teeth. In between. I mean, aesthetics, which we are, our company and our practice, we do all the injectables and everything that you could want in terms of procedures. However, I try really hard to educate everyone that. And I say this phrase all the time. Like, I can't clean the canvas with a needle. So I don't care how great your lip filler looks, if the skin underneath, which is your canvas is, you know, like, whatever, it's dull. Texture, pigment, breakouts, just everything. We have to start with a fresh canvas. So that's our, I mean, our truly both of our foundation.

[Sarah]

And I think that sometimes can be frustrating to people because, like, you want the quick fix. And I totally understand that in other areas of life, but really, it's like a lot of times I'll tell people, like, no, don't spend the $750 on Botox. Let's actually just like get you on three or four solid things. I'll see you back in eight weeks. And then we kind of reassess and maybe you don't even need what you thought you needed.

[Lauren]

Okay, so what are you, like, let's say I come to you both and I'm. I say I have pigment problems, texture problems, fine lines. Let's just do a console.

[Chandler]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Claire]

I wasn't gonna. Attitude problem say that, but you said it first. So here we are.

[Lauren]

Chandler would like me to address a lot of other problems right now, but those are part of Cl. Sarah's expertise. But what would you put me on? What products?

[Claire]

I mean, it's more of a philosophy for me. Right. So I. Even if you said pigment or rosacea or acne, I need you to be on a basic skincare routine first. Before I start to target what's the issue that you're. You're coming in for? I also ask the person, what's bothering you? And that's where we start. So really, I mean, it can be as simple as starting with, like, do you wash your face? And a lot of people say no.

[Sarah]

30 seconds minimum.

[Claire]

Absolutely.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And they think maybe it's not as important because they don't break out. I'm like, well, you've got a layer of dead skin. Every day we're making all these new skin cells, and if you're not getting that off, then that nice serum that you bought, it can't even get where it needs to go because you're just like with your Usurin foot cream. I'm sorry, is Usurin going to sue us?

[Chandler]

Yeah, we have to.

[Claire]

With generic. Your generic, unbranded foot cream, you're just gluing the dead skin down.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Claire]

And then your. Your actual active products can't even get to where they need to go. So I kind of go like, philosophy categories first versus, like, this specific product. I mean, I feel like you're.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I'm probably the same way. Yeah. As far as just like. Yeah. Making sure we're doing the right things. We're cleansing. We. We usually like some sort of, like, chemical exfoliant, whether that's a toning pad or toning solution, some sort of physical. And then from there, I usually add in, like, retinol, and then we go corrective. Or if there's like a lot of these people come and be like, my skin's in, like, chaos. And, like, I cannot use any products. I break out really easily. I feel like I hear that a lot more now because I think people are trying so many different things.

[Claire]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Which I totally understand. And I'm like, I can't treat pigment, melasma, rosacea until we calm everything down first. And sometimes I can take, like. And same with acne. And sometimes I can take two to three months.

[Lauren]

Months.

[Claire]

I mean, I get people ask people to give me a year if they come for a skincare consult or any. Honestly, any consultants, especially acne.

[Lauren]

A year to calm things down, to transform.

[Chandler]

To transform.

[Claire]

Not that it will take a year, but it takes months and months for. So skin cycles are six to eight weeks. And we say it can take three skin cycles to really see a difference. I mean, it can be months, which is super frustrating for people, especially in a procedure based, you know, before it gets better, might get worse before it gets better. And you're used to, like, this crazy laser or microneedling, and you see something immediately. But I'm asking you to give me, like, months to get through it. And, I mean, people don't like that, which I understand. It's not different than, let's say, you know, weight loss or something where you gotta go to the gym.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah. Like, really consistent.

[Claire]

And that kind of sucks. But it's true.

[Lauren]

I had a conversation with. With our injector here in New York, and who does lasers and stuff? Allison. And I said, you know, basically, like, no, no, I just. I just want, like, one treatment that'll.

[Claire]

I hope she said no.

[Lauren]

Well, she didn't say no. She just goes. Cause I said, your skin is so perfect. And she showed me her before photos, and I was like, what can we just do to, like, just get this done with one.

[Sarah]

One and done.

[Lauren]

And she was like, well, this. My skin is a result of many years of really good skincare and lasers and, like, all of that compounded.

[Sarah]

Yeah, it.

[Lauren]

There's just no, you know, one thing you can do or, like, not going in the sun. Yeah, not going in the sun. All the things. So sadly, it is that kind of good routine, good habits, and you have to do it for a long time to get the benefits.

[Claire]

And I would say for her, that's probably something that she hears every day. I mean, we hear it every day of. I would like this. Whether it's glass skin or even, let's say, a lip volume, that might be three, four sessions slowly over time, unless you want to go to an appointment and immediately leave and look like you had a bunch of work done, which most people don't want.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

So.

[Claire]

No, it takes place. It takes time.

[Lauren]

It takes time.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Claire]

My before is a disaster.

[Lauren]

So just for everyone at home, though, basic routine that everyone should have.

[Chandler]

Is it like, you know, cleanser, vitamin C, sunscreen, or, like. Yeah. What would be your, like, essential toolkit? Every person.

[Sarah]

I'm like, should I give my vitamin C hot take, please?

[Lauren]

Oh, my God, I'm so ready.

[Claire]

Okay. All right, all right.

[Lauren]

I mean, I.

[Claire]

Let's see.

[Sarah]

I think for from, like, 2018 through, like, 2023, it was vitamin C, sunscreen. Retinol and like, I totally agree with like the sentiment, but I think people like jump to the vitamin C. They don't quickly.

[Claire]

They do.

[Sarah]

And there's so many people who, Vitamin C's are so irritating. You have to find the right formulation, which they're amazing. But now there are all these also other amazing antioxidant serums. So I tell people, I'm like, I want you on some sort of antioxidant serum treatment and that's going to help protect you from environmental damage and stress to your skin. So I'm like, I want that. It can usually also serve as like a moisturizer unless you're like chronically dry. I want you on a retinol and a sunscreen. But it doesn't, don't harp on the vitamin C. Okay, well, can I get a cleanser?

[Chandler]

Yes, after you give your hot take.

[Sarah]

I feel that's my hot take.

[Claire]

I could have been worse.

[Chandler]

I feel like this is a safe space now. You said that because we're with, you know, experts. I feel like I've almost never noticed any difference from using a vitamin C.

[Claire]

Okay, let me challenge you on your before pictures. Yes. Because I also think people think that they're going to start like, you could say the same thing maybe about sunscreen. I don't notice a difference when I do or don't use sunscreen. Well, because it's a, it's a long term protective ingredient for you. It's not necessarily. Now some vitamin Cs and some sunscreens can give you some form of correction at the time you're using it, but it's not really meant to be like a new dramatic skin.

[Chandler]

I just feel like it's never been super noticeable anything that I've done. And I feel like I'll go weeks and months without using a vitamin C and then I'll get back on, on it and then I just cannot tell a difference.

[Claire]

Just think about it. Put it in the same category of your brain as like a sunscreen.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Claire]

Because that's ultimately its job is photo protection, which is our biggest source of aging and photo aging.

[Chandler]

So it's, it's protection. It's not necessarily like reviving, rejuvenation.

[Sarah]

Right?

[Claire]

Not as. No, I mean, that's not. And I think that's what it's gotten touted.

[Chandler]

That's what I thought.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Vitamin correction, brightening or it does a little bit, but it's not like you really, if you're trying to brighten pigment and stuff, you really need like A pigment inhibitor. Something that's more targeted to that. But I. Yeah, I think it gets kind of lumped in as, like, the everything.

[Chandler]

I mean, I feel like glycolic. Like, glycolic toning pads are one of the only things that, like, give me immediate.

[Claire]

Like, serving a totally different purpose. Yes, it's a. It's a chemical. Also, let's talk about the word chemical. It's a chemical exfoliant, which is awesome, but it's not giving you protection.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Claire]

So it's serving a totally different purpose. Purpose. And don't freak out about the word chemical.

[Chandler]

Like, every.

[Claire]

The water in this cup is a chemical I want. Fine.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Also, we are pro chemists here. Beef tallow is a chemical.

[Chandler]

Is it really? Yes.

[Lauren]

All matter.

[Sarah]

All matter.

[Chandler]

Now you're like, physically.

[Sarah]

No, we are chemists, and so is Lauren.

[Chandler]

Yeah, no, I mean, I. We don't have sensitivity to the. To the word chemical. I like. Because also, this is maybe a tangent, but, I mean, I just saw the power of Accutane in my life. Oh, yes. And, like, you know, that was absolutely. People try to scare me about that.

[Lauren]

Like.

[Claire]

No, it changed my life 100%.

[Lauren]

The Accutane, the antipsychotics.

[Claire]

Hell of a drug.

[Chandler]

Hell of a drugs.

[Sarah]

Antidepressants.

[Chandler]

She calls my SSRI psychotic mood stabilizer.

[Claire]

Whatever it takes.

[Chandler]

And I love them in her chemicals. Anyway. Yeah. Okay, getting back to the question.

[Sarah]

Chemical exfoliant, antioxidant serum, and retinol. I'm like, that's some form of retinol.

[Chandler]

Some form of retinol or a retinoid.

[Claire]

I'm sure there's going to be, like, strict. You, the consumer, don't need to try to figure that out, though. I'm very, like, triggered by people coming in and they've been doing all this research and trying to figure things out, and it makes me so depressed for the amount of effort that you're spending. That is our job as providers. Because even when we were talking, you were talking about this specific product that we love. And so imagine retinoid is like the family. And there's the family tree. And yes, there's tretinoin. If I could take a moment, please?

[Lauren]

I was just about to ask about that.

[Claire]

I'd love to. I'd love nothing more. If tretinoin has no haters, I am, in fact, dead. I think tretinoin, of course, you can call it the gold standard, the most researched, yada, yada.

[Chandler]

It is. Tretinoin is also, like the prescription.

[Claire]

Prescription.

[Chandler]

It's like Retina Mexico. They get the Cosrac.

[Sarah]

Retina.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

Totally.

[Claire]

No, I'm just.

[Chandler]

It's like.

[Claire]

It's a prescription or Walgreens, but. What?

[Sarah]

Yeah. Or.

[Chandler]

Yeah, but it's.

[Claire]

Imagine it as the matriarch of the family. Okay. And we don't have a patriarchy. This is a matriarchy. She's at the top. And then everything else underneath it. That is the retinoid family tree. And there are all these different deviations and esters and different forms and formulations. It's not your job to try to figure that out. Tretinoin, when it works and you can tolerate it. Awesome. I would say nine out of 10 people that come to see me are like, oh, I can't tolerate it.

[Sarah]

Doing it like two times a week

[Claire]

or it breaks me out or I have a rash or whatever. Well, then you're not getting the benefit and it's stupid. So let's find something that you can do.

[Lauren]

And it's not something that you can just build towards.

[Sarah]

I mean, you can. You totally can.

[Claire]

It just.

[Sarah]

It is not for the faint of heart.

[Chandler]

Well, this is the other thing. I mean, as someone who's had retinoid or. Sorry, Tretinoin burn or whatever. Yes.

[Claire]

Dermatitis. It's awful.

[Chandler]

Any product that's like a twice a week thing, I'm probably just gonna forget. Like, I kind of need something that's every day or it's once a week. Like, other than that, it's too confusing for me.

[Claire]

And if you can use tretinoin every day, then.

[Sarah]

Which is amazing. Absolutely. Some people who went through that.

[Chandler]

Ye.

[Sarah]

And they're. I mean, their skin looks incredible and stuff, but, I mean, probably took them eight to 12 months to.

[Claire]

If you've been using it for six to 12. I mean, like, I'm not giving people a year.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

You to go.

[Sarah]

If anyone's listening and tolerating Tretinoin every night. Keep on.

[Claire]

Good for you.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah. Keep on.

[Chandler]

Congrats.

[Claire]

Congrats.

[Chandler]

Like, I feel like the cheapest product. Exactly.

[Claire]

Doing it different is over the counter now. Like, they're great options. They just. Now we have so many options. Like, you don't have to live like this anymore, girls.

[Chandler]

Thank you.

[Lauren]

So.

[Chandler]

So then explain Retin a in this family tree. Explain, like, the product I was talking.

[Lauren]

Tretinoin.

[Claire]

This is the Alpharet. Oh, Alpharet. Yes. Oh, okay. So Alpharet is in the retinoid family.

[Chandler]

But.

[Claire]

And this. It's a skin better product that's owned by l'. Oreal. We were talking about all this, it's fascinating. Everything's kind of owned by l', Oreal, but it is formulated, it's double bound to lactic acid molecules which actually are anti inflammatory and like hydrating. So it makes that product very tolerable for people. So it's a great place to start. And then if, and then we can bump up. And again like if you can tolerate different or stronger formulations. Cool.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

But they're all very different.

[Sarah]

And also it's great in like clinical trials it was giving the same results as far as skin cell Turnover as tretinoin. 0.25%, which is usually what most people are on with one stale use. And it's great because it's like one pump, you're done, you know it. And like a lot of people just stay on that forever. And that's great.

[Claire]

And it has like all the stuff in it.

[Chandler]

That's the routine that I'm on. I mean, every single night. I would like to talk about the eye cream maybe at some point. Yeah, the version. And it's also something that my husband loves. Like he also has some.

[Claire]

Brought him some.

[Chandler]

I know, I'm like, he's not getting any of my goodies. But he has, he had like an age spot and it totally like lightened that. Yeah, right. And yeah, he has like, he just got like a random age spot on his like upper cheek. And he totally knows.

[Sarah]

Especially if it's like new. Yeah, new age spots.

[Claire]

Totally.

[Sarah]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chandler]

So I swear by Alpharette.

[Claire]

Yeah, I mean, we do. It's a great, it's a great product

[Chandler]

and it's never irritated my skin. Right.

[Claire]

That's the point of it.

[Chandler]

Yeah, for sure. Anyway, this is not paid.

[Claire]

Okay, well, it's, it's shit. L'. Oreal, we'll take it.

[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

want to try Alvaret because I have, I've actually had okay success just using a tiny bit of tretinoin every night, but I definitely get worried about upping it at all because just the amount of, like, peeling and reaction can be so intense. So trying the Alpharet could be useful. And some people just stay on it. You see their skin visibly improve and look great. So it's not necessary to get to

[Sarah]

tretinoin unless you really want to and just want to be on it, which is great, but it's really not necessary.

[Chandler]

Yeah, the transformation you saw on my skin was Alpharet.

[Lauren]

And what, what time horizon are we

[Sarah]

looking at to see that change that it does take? Time.

[Claire]

Yeah, I mean, same like this.

[Chandler]

I'd say three to four months, cycles of the skin.

[Claire]

And you got to think you got so all these layers of your skin, we're making all these new skin cells every day and it takes weeks to get to the top. And when you're a baby, that process is really fast. So you probably hear the words like cellular turnover in aesthetics and skincare a lot. So cellular turnover. When you're a baby, that process is really fast. So the new cells are coming to the top every few weeks. And then as we age, sadly, like everything else, that process gets slower. So by the time those cells get up to the top, they're like old and decrepit and dehydrated. So the faster we can turn them over with any retinoid and then adding something like a glycolic, which is also an exfoliator. But then you gotta wash your face, get the dead skin off. The faster that process can happen, the better your skin can look at the top level versus it's looking good while it's buried underneath. Oh, makes sense.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it does make sense.

[Chandler]

And I think if you're constantly, you know, if you're exfoliating in the right way, at the right cadence, all your other, you know, beauty processes are going to be better. You're like Your total, your makeup, everything looks better.

[Lauren]

I will say I, I did notice when I finally put on self tanner after ipling my, my, my arms and chest like the. I had never had a better tan, but is this applicable?

[Chandler]

Unless I never had a better hand.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I do.

[Claire]

Well, okay. But you asked about self tanner, and I don't put self tanner on my face because I'm exfoliating constantly. There's no point. I just put bronzing drops on. Yeah, there's just not a point.

[Chandler]

Right. I only use, like, a face self tanner every day.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like a little bronzer gone, you know, within 24 hours.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I guess the cosmetic things we do, like, if they can be supported by a good canvas, they will look so much better than when I used to put self tanner on top of, you know, skin that was truly, like, past the point of no return.

[Claire]

It's like painting over the old, like, finger.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Old toenail polish.

[Lauren]

Literally.

[Claire]

But even if you're getting a facelift, I'll tell my patients, like, you still, the better your skin structure and the quality of your skin is underneath, your facelift will even look better, which that's a dramatic example, but it's true.

[Lauren]

Right, Right.

[Chandler]

Great.

[Lauren]

Well, I will say both of your skin is impeccable.

[Sarah]

Thank you.

[Chandler]

It should be.

[Sarah]

It's.

[Claire]

It's a lot of pressure.

[Lauren]

Glowy dewy. Just so impressed.

[Sarah]

So thank you.

[Lauren]

You don't need a Paris filter, ladies.

[Claire]

You know, well, Sarah's not fair. You started in aesthetics at age, what, 24?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Young, insulting. I did not wash my face.

[Sarah]

I stayed out of the Sun. Starting age 21.

[Claire]

I Membership to the tanning bed.

[Chandler]

When I see Sarah's staying out of the sun content, it's really depressing to me.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

It's like, I'm like, Like, I really gotta, like, stay inside. Like, I need to be wearing a visor.

[Sarah]

No, I just wear a visor when driving because, like, why not by myself? Not like the shield. The shield escaped me.

[Chandler]

Did you?

[Sarah]

And, like, I, I, I did. And my husband Seth was like, yes. My husband Seth was like, please get rid of the shield. It's, like, so scary. He's like, people are gonna, like, try to wreck your car. And so I was like, okay.

[Chandler]

It is.

[Sarah]

I was like, fair, fair. So I have, like, a foldable one that I wear. Because you do get so much sun exposure in the car, y', all. It's kind of insane. And your hands. The hands. Not that aging is bad. I just want to say, but we are slowing it Down. And the hands and arms are just a place where you age so fast because none of us are wearing sunscreen on our hands and arms every day.

[Claire]

I do now, but also. Yeah, I didn't. I had a membership to the tanning bed.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

So I know it's kind of nice. Foul.

[Chandler]

I've gone less than 10 times, but it is a nice.

[Claire]

You better put those words back in your mouth.

[Lauren]

The tanning years ago.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Mom took me literally. Mom took me to the tanning bed, like for a Mexico cruise for like five minutes. I went in anyway. God love her, Deb.

[Lauren]

Well, you know what you looked really good on? What was it Carnival or whatever?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I'm like, when we went to Puerto

[Claire]

me, adventure was fantasy of the seas. You're looking phenomen.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

What are we doing for little dots that pop up that are not cute freckles at 35 and on our body? This is not. This is for a friend.

[Chandler]

Like a spot.

[Lauren]

I wouldn't want to say that word.

[Claire]

Liver spot.

[Lauren]

It appears that some things are emerging. And what can one do?

[Claire]

Okay, well, this is also kind of a depressing answer, but everything you're doing on your face is applicable to the rest of your body.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

So I'm 42, and as the oldest person by far in this room, I have kind of a dramatic drop off in these harsh lights. It doesn't look the same, but. But my hands. I'm always putting my stuff on my hands versus, like my wrist and above. You can tell. So as much as you can put on your body, do. Okay, same thing. Sunscreen. I don't do you. If you're not using your retinoid body cream at this ripe age of 30.

[Sarah]

Yes, I am.

[Claire]

You should be.

[Sarah]

I am. And there are a lot of great retinoid body creams.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Alpharette does have a body cream, but there are other ones too.

[Claire]

Verse makes one, like, a lot cheaper.

[Chandler]

Like you're putting all over your body. All over your body.

[Sarah]

For me, it's. For me, it's like arms and chest. Yeah. I mean, and that's probably where you're seeing spots. Arms and chest. So, like, I would definitely recommend and do this myself using like a pigment inhibitor cream on your hands and chest.

[Claire]

For sure.

[Sarah]

Chest and arms. So, like, that is helping to prevent future pigment. But also, and sometimes if it's been there too long, like it's going to need a laser or appeal. You can feel in laser.

[Claire]

You can do anything.

[Chandler]

The trickiness with. With, you know, taking your skincare all the Way down is that I'm just like one of these pumps is so.

[Claire]

Well, right. It's $12 million.

[Chandler]

I'm sorry my chest doesn't get the. The hundred dollar face cream.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And that's fair. And so I would say that because there's this, of course, also a lot of conversations about drugstore formulations and products versus medical grade is not really a real term, but like, let's say physician dispense. I don't know what.

[Chandler]

Yeah, something you have to go to

[Claire]

your place, buy it from an actual like medical practice. So it's really the difference in how potent the products are, the way that they're formulated. Think like a nice dupe bag versus your. Your very real luxury bag. There are differences. I'm sorry, but there are. Glycolic acid 5% in this formulation is going to feel and act differently than glycolic acid 5% in that formulation. So the skin on like our legs and arms is really not as sensitive as your face. So I think that's a great time. If you want to be more budget conscious, then use that drugstore stuff on your legs and arms. And if somebody comes in and they're using something that's wrecking their face, I almost never am like, throw that away. I tell them like, oh, put it on your arms. Absolutely. Put it on your chest, your legs.

[Chandler]

That's such a good point because I feel like there's plenty of stuff where I'm like, this isn't working for my face, but it's still a good product. Use it.

[Sarah]

It's like a toning pad. I feel like I see a got like Medicube or Replenix that are like more like 20, 30 glycolic acids that are so drying to the, to a lot of people's faces because there's not like nice botanicals and hydrators in them. And so like that is a great product I'm like to use on your chest and arms.

[Chandler]

So am I supposed to be carrying down everything to my.

[Claire]

Yes.

[Chandler]

Titties.

[Claire]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

I don't use, I don't use all my skincare on my arms. I just want to be clear. I use a retinol.

[Chandler]

I do now Retinol. Something that's like increasing that cell turnover.

[Claire]

Look at you.

[Chandler]

I'm learning. I'm learning.

[Claire]

Put it in a pamphlet and then

[Chandler]

not use to wren. But a lotion.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And you sure use Great.

[Chandler]

By the way.

[Claire]

It's great for the body.

[Sarah]

I love prequel has some great body products.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Okay.

[Sarah]

That are like a great price point.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

But yeah, if you are someone who you are like me. We are pigment girls.

[Chandler]

We are.

[Sarah]

We are freckled girls, which we. We love. But also some of them turn. Take a turn for more of an age spot, if you will. And so for us, we got to be really, really intense about staying out of the sun. And also, I mean, not staying out of the sun, but minimizing it.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And then. Yeah. Having that pigment inhibitor doing chemical peels a few times a year.

[Lauren]

I will say when I use a pigment inhibitor, which I recently got on, like six months ago, there was a dramatic shift and I just ran out. And even in two months, it's like, I can really see the difference. Like, it's coming back in. In a, you know, just like back up.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Lauren]

It comes right back up.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I'm curious, what was the pigment inhibitor?

[Claire]

It was.

[Lauren]

It's the Coleman compound. Okay. It really actually worked for me very well.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Which most pigment inhibitors do work well. But when you stop temporarily.

[Chandler]

Absolutely.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

I mean, again, very dramatic example. But I, like, literally I'm. People probably leave my office and they're like, why are you so dramatic? It's just skin. I'm like, okay, think about if you have melasma or pigment. Think about it like. Like diabetes. Okay. Or like high blood pressure. Like, it's never. It's not going away. You can't just stop taking your blood pressure medicine or your diabetes medicine. It's always going to come back. So. And there. There are certain even prescription and pigment creams and inhibitors that you really aren't supposed to stay on long term, but you're always going to be doing something. So I tell people to kind of prep mentally for a series of procedures at least once a year for pigment, if that's their main issue. And then you're always going to be on your basic routine and some sort of inhibiting compound like that. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

And I think that, you know, for a lot of people this isn't an issue. I think that there's also just kind of. For me, I've decided there's also like a level of just acceptance.

[Claire]

Totally.

[Lauren]

Like, this is. This is the. What my skin type is. And so I'm never going to be the type of person that has just this super even, you know, tan olive skin that's just not. Not ever going to be me. But I'm just going to try to do the best I can. This is an internal talk that I don't need to let it.

[Chandler]

I mean, I think everybody has probably something about their skin that they've always dealt with. I mean, I feel like mine is acne.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

You know, you never really had acne growing up.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

In fact, there was a time Lauren literally came to me, was like, what

[Lauren]

is this on my face?

[Chandler]

Like, what do you think this dot is? And it was like, I just didn't get out. And I was like, yeah, but. Yeah, it's just everybody. Everybody has a different kind of chronic issue with their skin.

[Lauren]

Right? No, absolutely. Speaking of, though, you know, protecting ourselves from the sun, pigment issues. Do you guys buy into the EU versus a skin, you know, sunscreen hype and discussion? That is one of the questions someone asked.

[Claire]

Yes and no. I do think there are. Well, there are different ingredients available. Europe is typically ahead of us in most kind of. Because of the fda, which is great. I mean, big, big fan of the fda, but so it's kind of a yes and no question. It's a little bit of a vague answer. I feel like, from me. Do I feel like you can't, like, it's necessary to get your. To, like, order, you know, French sunscreen? Absolutely not. That's my.

[Sarah]

But if you're there, you're there. Sure.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Interesting.

[Lauren]

But, like, so much better.

[Sarah]

I'm like, we're doing the best we can here. And I'm like, if y' all are wearing American sunscreens, I'm like, let's go.

[Claire]

And like, mineral. I would say mineral.

[Sarah]

I try. Yeah. More mineral.

[Lauren]

But is there any mineral that doesn't leave a cast, actually?

[Claire]

Well, yeah, they. They launched it today, so.

[Chandler]

But.

[Claire]

So we just left the lore. I was telling you guys, we were just meeting with l', Oreal, and they own Skinceuticals, which is a great brand, and they launched a new sunscreen today that is a mineral sunscreen that has. I would say no.

[Lauren]

If.

[Chandler]

If not, we'll have to show after.

[Sarah]

We're, like, floored by.

[Claire]

It has zero white cast.

[Sarah]

Because we're always struggling with that.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And there are good tinted minerals, but a lot of people are like, I just want something sheer. Nothing.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Sarah]

That, like, isn't, like, makeupy. We'll show you after. It's, like, pretty incredible. I actually think it literally just launched today.

[Claire]

And I mean, my background, my. The first 10 years of my career as a nurse practitioner was, like, heavily involved with melanoma patients with. Through surgical oncology and then a head and neck cancer practice. And so we saw really, it was, like, past the point of your little normal basal Cells that you can shave off. Like, we saw basal cells that were, like, eroding the bone and squamous cell and melanoma. It's really significant. And so to me, the argument, I think, is that maybe these sunscreens cause cancer and maybe they're systemically absorbed and we don't really know the effects, which. That's a different conversation. Is not really correct. What we do know absolutely causes cancer is the sun. Sun. Like, that's a fact. And so for me, it's more important. And I have two kids, so it's more important for me at the end of the day to make sure someone. We have some form of sunscreen on, especially we live at the beach. So, like. Yeah, it's kind of critical.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

If you're in Europe, get. Get sunscreen.

[Claire]

Sure.

[Sarah]

Yeah. They're. They're lovely.

[Lauren]

And is the mineral versus the chemical sunscreen about, like, a cancer risk from the chemical sunscreen?

[Claire]

So. So the chemical sunscreen, which I call it. So I say physical and not physical, but we say chemical sunscreens. There's maybe some systemic absorption and there's some discussion about the benzene compounds potentially causing cancer. But that again, like, I would need, like, a chemo, like a chemical formulator on here to even explain to you the difference between, like, how those chemicals are, like, described how they're absorbed and whether there is a cancer risk is actually really not thought to be a risk at this point. But there's a question mark, and that's fine. So use mineral, right?

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, if that.

[Claire]

If you're concerned about that.

[Lauren]

And what is the new product that you guys heard about? What's it called?

[Claire]

What is the name?

[Sarah]

I don't know.

[Lauren]

Are you allowed to say.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, But I just launched today. It was like, there.

[Chandler]

It's from SkinCeuticals.

[Claire]

Yeah, it's in a black bottle. I can tell you that we have, like, a lab sample. So it says, like, you know, number FA2R O F4.

[Sarah]

We'll get it for. For y'.

[Lauren]

All. Yeah, well, when the day this launches, I'm sure you guys can post a link.

[Chandler]

Yeah, totally.

[Lauren]

To it.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren]

What are your Instagrams for, people?

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah. I'm at Sarah Bullock. Sarah no H. Bullock, underscore np.

[Claire]

I'm Claire o'. Brien. NP or Skin Click is our company if you can't remember anyone's name. Yeah, it's totally fine.

[Lauren]

Yeah, yeah. Usually we say that the end of the episode. We'll repeat it at the end, but just wanted to Let everyone know, because we will get a lot of people that want to know that exact product.

[Chandler]

Yeah, it's a cool product.

[Sarah]

And we're like, oh, my gosh. For our sunscreen haters, which there are a lot of them out there, which we understand.

[Claire]

Totally. Get out.

[Sarah]

And the men, dudes, the people.

[Lauren]

Sorry, before you start, I just have to tell you, I tell you guys, the people who are just like, the sun is good for you, and it's all a big lie. You know, it's all a big scam. So annoying.

[Sarah]

I know. And, like, I do think. And I was talking about this other day. I'm like, none of us have enough vitamin D. And that's for sure. We're inside a lot more. We wear all sun protection. Like, take a vitamin C supplement and you're gonna be just fine. And, like, I do agree, it is good to go outside, but not between 10 and 2.

[Claire]

Not between 10 and 2. Without complete sun protection from head to toe.

[Chandler]

No, not without the visor.

[Sarah]

Not without the shield.

[Chandler]

Not without your shield is so to

[Lauren]

give an idea for people at home, it's this metal. It looks like a metal visor, and it looks like it's made out of metal. And it's very, like. It's just very intense. It looks like it's from the Terminator.

[Chandler]

It's literally, like, dystopian.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It's great if you just had a CO2 laser and you have to drive around because, like, it does, like. Yeah. Sun will not hit your skin, that's for sure.

[Lauren]

My husband. I got the shield as well. And I. That's the only reason I bring it up is I'm not looking at your Instagram. And, like, Sarah's crazy. No, I. I got it as well. My husband's like, you're not allowed to leave that.

[Sarah]

Yes. That was. That was literally the exact same conversation. He was like, someone will, like, come after you.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

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[Chandler]

Because you look like you're about to come after something.

[Claire]

Yes.

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[Chandler]

Okay, before we move on from skincare, I want to ask what do you guys think about skin cycling? You know, doing things on, you know, on the fourth day, then I exfoliate, you know.

[Sarah]

No.

[Chandler]

What's.

[Claire]

What's your pov? Yeah, you're a.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Claire]

I have a different.

[Sarah]

Well, I take. But the reason why I'm not a note not because I don't think that is, like, helpful to your skin. I'm like, I want to make. For most people. Unless you love skin care. For most people, it is a chore to do skin care. And I'm like, I want to take the guesswork out of this and make it as easy as possible for you and as routine as possible and have you doing the same thing every day. Of course, yes, we might do like a stronger peel pad one or two times per week or like change things up in that way. But I find when it's like, yeah, four days on, four days off, that sort of thing, it really is over complicating something that can be pretty simple. So it's more for me of people's adherence to it.

[Claire]

Got it.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And I think it depends on your skin condition. I mean, I think people see it's a visible kind of glow because you've let that dead skin build up and then you exfoliate. Right. And so get that with a stronger product like a peel pad or once a week at home treatment. I don't think it's wrong or bad, but we don't really have long term data. Of course. She just came up with this, which Whitney Bo's great. I think it was maybe a few years ago that she really came out with that concept. And for some people, that works. It wouldn't work for me. I've got rosacea, acne, melasma. I can't. If I'm not consistent, my skin loses its mind.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

So like, for some people, like, and I'm an acne person as well, I can't wait until that fourth day to be using.

[Claire]

Probably not.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claire]

It's all individual.

[Lauren]

That kind of goes back to a little bit of the tretinoin thing. You know, if. If you can just get on Alpharet every night and you're not worried about building up, it does help you build, build the habit. And for me, the habit is the hardest thing. Like, I will build it, but then when I'm all of a sudden traveling, like every four days and I'm in different bathrooms, it can just. Just. It can all go out the window. So over complicating it for me can just actually make me not do it.

[Chandler]

No.

[Claire]

I travel with every moment of my skin care, including. And I. I teach my acne and rosacea patients this. The little clean skin club towels.

[Chandler]

Oh, same.

[Claire]

I travel with those because.

[Sarah]

Get them at Costco.

[Claire]

Well, yeah, the Costco dupes. I mean, unbelievable. Oh, my gosh.

[Sarah]

Honestly, the same thing.

[Claire]

Actually, I think they're better.

[Sarah]

I didn't believe it because I have clean.

[Claire]

Sorry again. Please don't sue us. But I'm like, I have clean skin club in my travel bag. And I'm like, oh, I like my Costco ones. They're thicker, they're better. But even I don't know what detergent the hotel's using. What kind of fiber is this on my face? I don't know. But my face is like a fragile flower, and I can't do it. So I cannot deviate at all.

[Sarah]

They're taught me the power of the go bag. And so we always have a go bag of our toiletries that's ready to go with travel sizes. We. We use cadence things because they're really cute.

[Chandler]

Yep.

[Sarah]

And it just takes the guesswork out of it. And we travel a lot for work, too, and stuff. And I get it. It's like making it as easy as possible.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Have it ready to go.

[Lauren]

Just have everything, like a travel size.

[Claire]

It's not about tsa. It's just about, like, a little small, like, having enough for. You know, I'm never going to travel without two days of my antipsychotics.

[Chandler]

Right. Yeah.

[Claire]

I mean, exactly.

[Sarah]

Ready to go.

[Claire]

Never doing it. Same with my skin.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I will say those towels that you use to, like, the fresh towels have changed my skin and, like, have changed my relationship with, like, acne.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Because I am so much less acne.

[Sarah]

I mean, honestly, anyone? Because it's disgusting. But if you are acne prone, you cannot use a hand towel that you are using to clean your hands after you go to the bathroom and your

[Claire]

gross kids and your husband.

[Sarah]

Gross kids, your husband who are also using them.

[Chandler]

I like it.

[Claire]

I will ask friends, whatever.

[Chandler]

If I run out of those, I will use a paper towel before I use it. Anytime.

[Claire]

Yes. And actually, again, Kleenex makes disposable hand towels a lot cheaper. I mean, there's so many options.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Yes. Also, stop washing your face in the shower, everyone. Oh, really?

[Chandler]

Why?

[Claire]

Yes. It's too much heat, irritating, causing inflammation. Trans epidermal water loss. It's not good unless you have perfect skin. You should not be washing your face in the shower.

[Chandler]

I hate taking off my makeup.

[Claire]

Well, I'm sorry.

[Chandler]

The sink, like splash situation.

[Claire]

Give it a whirl.

[Sarah]

See how you do armbands.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Sarah]

That keep all the water off from you.

[Claire]

Liquid bands.

[Sarah]

Liquid bands. Oh, yeah. You have the silicone ones. Yeah. Because they kind of get gross.

[Chandler]

Speaking of washing your face. Yeah. You said wash your. Are you washing your face twice a day?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I thought you're just in the morning supposed to like rinse.

[Sarah]

No.

[Claire]

Some people can get away.

[Chandler]

Should I be using a cleanser twice a day?

[Claire]

I prefer that.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Claire]

Sarah's nodding. Yes.

[Sarah]

Yes, yes.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Just because when you. I mean, most people at night sweat. Most people, you've been on a pillow the entire time. There's. Yeah. Oil production. There's sebum sitting on top of your skin. Unless you are like so dry, like a desert. You were just still producing oils at night and you need, before you do your daily skincare, need to start over.

[Lauren]

What if you are dry like a desert, though? Like I am.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And then it's really gentle cleanser which is a gentle, very, very gentle.

[Chandler]

Or like oil based. Like I.

[Sarah]

Oil based. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Cleansers.

[Sarah]

Like so like one.

[Chandler]

I have, you know, acne prone skin.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Like One Love Organics is a great

[Claire]

oil based oil cleanser is unbelievable for,

[Sarah]

I mean, for taking off makeup. But also if you have really sensitive skin and you're not acne prone, that is like such. And you can put it on dry skin which like sometimes, you know, just like assaulting your face with water is just like a lot.

[Chandler]

It is.

[Sarah]

So being able to do that on dry skin is very nice.

[Chandler]

Okay. Getting into treatments.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I want to talk about facials.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I want to talk about what works, what doesn't work, what's a scam. Because I don't really get facials at all.

[Claire]

I support that. Yeah.

[Chandler]

And I kind of feel like, oh,

[Lauren]

you guys support that?

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Less people like love.

[Sarah]

There are some people who like love it for them. Meditative experience. Experience. Right. Luxury massage. Like that's awesome. But. And I'm sure there are amazing facialists out there, but the majority of facials are going to be just more fluff and not really corrective unless we're doing like peels and whatnot. That's not a facial anymore. That's not like hydrafacials are, you know, just like heavy cleansing and again, that's, that's nice and stuff. If you're getting ready for a big event and you want a little extra glow. But I think a lot of people, you just rely. A lot of people start to rely on that as like their corrective treatments and aren't really doing the in between

[Claire]

and like not doing anything underneath.

[Sarah]

Yeah, underneath.

[Chandler]

Deeper than you leave.

[Claire]

Yeah. Looking very glowy because you've got 19 layers of stuff on.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Claire]

And I get a facial every now and then in Charleston. But I also am very aware one, she likes to do microneedling with the facial. She then dermaplanes then puts on a chemical peel. Not all facialists or estheticians can even do that by law. It depends on what state you're in, yada, yada. So I feel like if you're going to spend several hundred dollars, which typically is what that is, then have a treatment that's making a, like a more long term impact underneath.

[Sarah]

If you got money to burn, go for it.

[Chandler]

But that's how I feel. Like it's, it's like a massage. Like if you, if you can add it, which we love.

[Claire]

Sure.

[Chandler]

Great. Yeah, sorry, I'm full of questions right now. You mentioned dermaplane. Yeah. Can I be dermaplaning at home? I mean, I do.

[Lauren]

Can you explain what dermaplaning is?

[Chandler]

Dermaplaning is when you like shave your face.

[Lauren]

I know, I do know. It's for the listeners at home.

[Chandler]

I was like, I would love to educate you in this moment on this part of the regime. Yeah. So I dermaplane at home and something that's always confused me is like, should I do my skin care right after? Do I wash my face before and after or should I not be dermaplaning my own face at all?

[Claire]

Sarah dermaplaned her own face last night

[Sarah]

after a coffee, after a drink or two.

[Chandler]

Expert though. After like, well, I shot my face,

[Sarah]

I was like, I'm confident. This didn't get well. It was like a lot of blood. I was like, okay, so yeah, don't drink in dermaplane, but you can definitely dermaplane at home.

[Claire]

Well, you can shave, I would say, at home. I, I feel like you're not dermaplaning at home because you're not like we use a ten blade.

[Chandler]

Oh, yes.

[Sarah]

You know, you're not using like a surgical blade but using like a tinkle Razor at home.

[Claire]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Every once, though. Well, we can do it. But every once in a while I would say go and get like a true dermaplaning done.

[Chandler]

It's such a difference when you get.

[Claire]

It really is.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Claire]

When that's a treatment, because they're. They're using typically a scalpel and taking the top layer of dead skin.

[Chandler]

It doesn't. It doesn't hurt at all.

[Lauren]

No, it just sounds scary like it is.

[Claire]

No, it's glorious.

[Chandler]

It's not. Also, have you ever shaved your face?

[Lauren]

No.

[Claire]

Oh, see?

[Chandler]

Oh, you just wait.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Put on makeup.

[Claire]

If you don't break out.

[Sarah]

It's amazing.

[Claire]

Oh, what are you doing? Should we. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Should we do it? Yeah.

[Lauren]

Not a lot.

[Claire]

Not a lot.

[Chandler]

I mean, you don't. I've never noticed hair on your face, for what it's worth. So like, now I notice it on myself. And I love putting on my makeup

[Claire]

after I. Oh, it's.

[Sarah]

It's.

[Chandler]

Shave my face.

[Claire]

Smooth as a butt.

[Chandler]

It's like. It's incredible.

[Claire]

But I would say for you, because you break out.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

After you dermaplane, you need to act like a psycho.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Claire]

And sleep with your hair back. Preferably clean hair. Clean pillowcase.

[Chandler]

My hair back in.

[Claire]

What? Clean hair if you can. I wash my hair once a week, so that's. I gotta line it up. Clean pillowcase, clean sheets.

[Chandler]

Clean hair.

[Claire]

Yeah, clean. Think about, like, that. It's like your face.

[Lauren]

No, it shouldn't.

[Sarah]

It's true.

[Lauren]

Clean.

[Claire]

That's never happening. But you really have to be careful. And even that can happen professionally if it's not explained correctly. You have to be careful. No makeup, anything like that for quite a while.

[Chandler]

This is so helpful because I've always thought, okay, I'll just do it today because I know I'm not gonna wear any makeup for the rest of the day. That's when I try to line it up. But I never thought about my pillowcase.

[Claire]

Of course, think about all the oil and in your hair. You have a dog or a cat.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

But also warning for dermaplaning. I had a patient about. About three months ago who was acne prone, who. She used a dermaplane razor that she had used before that was in her drawer. Like a tinkle razor. She used it. It was only the second time and she. It took months for us to clear that acne because it's just. You are literally straight and if you

[Chandler]

cut yourself a little bit, you were

[Sarah]

just like lining back one time.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I like to use a hipochlorous acid spray before and after to like disinfect and then follow with your skincare routine. So I like to cleanse hypochlorous acid. Dermaplane.

[Claire]

I call it hypochlorous acid.

[Sarah]

What do you call it?

[Claire]

Hypochlorous acid.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Claire]

Does this act I call.

[Chandler]

I say hypochlorous too. It's. That's another game changer product.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Claire]

Totally agree.

[Sarah]

Totally agree.

[Claire]

Hypochlorous acid spray. Phenomenal.

[Sarah]

Yeah, do that Dermaplane. Do it after and then do your routine and then just keep that on your desk and be spraying.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Before we move on, I just want to say for everyone that, you know, we've done skincare episodes in the past. We have had Mrs. Durham on. We had Allison on, Allison Lester, but neither of them really did what you guys do, which is people can go to your Instagram and they can. You can actually, they can reach out and you'll create a custom skincare routine for people.

[Sarah]

We do virtual consults. And like when I bring someone in for, I mean, that will usually be a 45 minute experience where it's like, we are going through your lifestyle. Everything that you are putting on your face, every. Like it's. And it's sometimes annoying, but I'm like, let's go to your bathroom.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Like, let's go through everything that you. Because some people are like, I'm using this. I'm like, what are you really using?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

You know what I mean? Like, what's that product that you use? Like every four days that you're like, I don't really know what this is.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And then we really. What I like about our model is that, you know, we are with you, you have our number, we are texting. Like, we are holding the hand and session when Claire's like, give me a year. Like, it's like, yes, give me a.

[Claire]

Checking in on you for you.

[Sarah]

You're checking in. And sometimes I'm like, they hate me because I'm like, so many pictures. No.

[Lauren]

But I felt like that's so nice because there are so many products, there are so many questions. We always get an overwhelming amount of questions when we do a call out for something like this. And it is very confusing. And so if someone can do a consult with you and get exactly what routine is specific to them that will work on their skin for their issues. That's just so valuable.

[Claire]

Well, and we're in two different places. Like Sarah's in. In Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm in Charleston. And our Company. We're all over the country. We weren't when we first started, but now we have this massive network of nurse practitioners, PAs physicians that work with us. And so it is different when I'm talking to someone, let's say I might do a consult for Texas or Massachusetts, and I'm like, okay, I need to. I think you need spironolactone. Or I think you need, you know, just a prescription. Or you need prescription. Maybe it's tretinoin, hydroquinone. I'm going to connect them with someone that can do that for them in their state versus is go get it.

[Sarah]

Go to. Yeah, like, the worst.

[Claire]

I'm not sending you on your own to Target, like, ever.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So that's so helpful. Like, I think explain a little bit more about, like, where skin click fits in when it's like, it's not like, because you go to the dermatologist, you might get some products, but you only see them once or twice a year. So it's a sleep click is like, kind of, you know, in between that, where it's like, it's still like, experts, doctors, you know, nurse, nurse practitioners. But it's like you get to, like, kind of have a repeat, like, appointment. You're always, like, in contact.

[Claire]

I mean, concierge is probably what most people would be familiar with. Like, that term, it really, to us means, yes, we can come to you and to your home and do those procedures in the consult for you. But also concierge to me is all of my patients, quite literally have my cell phone number and they are texting me. I tell them, like, if you're in Sephora or Blue Murky, whatever, and you feel like you tempted and your hands reaching out, like, you can text me. And I might say, yes, who's to say? But I'm, like, walking you through. I'm guiding that care for the duration of you being my patient, which is until you. Until you leave.

[Chandler]

I mean, that is so helpful because how many times are we in Sephora and we're like, okay, I think this new product that shelves is gonna save me. Yep.

[Sarah]

And I get it. Like, it's. It's like, you want the new things and every. Everything. I always tell people and, yeah, we never, like, throw everything out unless we're like, this is actually really bad for your skin. But a lot of times I'm like, okay, just put what you have under the sink. Think we're gonna take some pictures. We're just like, changing two or three things, and in six weeks, we're gonna take pictures. And y', all, even if you don't work with someone like Claire and I, but you're trying new products, like, take pictures. It's the most powerful thing. And you will never recognize changes on your face until you see pictures. Especially just like, no makeup, straight on up close at home. That's some of the most powerful, powerful changes.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I. I have to say, like, I. I noticed a difference in my skin, but when I looked back at photos, I couldn't believe the changes that I made after getting on that pigment. Inhibiting, active.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So really, those photos are crucial, but we should get into treatments.

[Chandler]

Yeah, let's talk about treatments. Let's talk about lasers. Let's talk about injectables. All the things.

[Lauren]

Yep. Can we start with Sculptra?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay. I'm just.

[Claire]

You're a fan. You like Sculptra.

[Sarah]

Yeah. It's funny. What I feel like injectors, like, you know, gravitate towards certain things, and you really become like. Like, that's your treatment of choice. I really love Sculptra. For the patient who is thinner, wants something natural. My only problem with sculpture is sometimes it can be underwhelming. And, like, you were like, okay, I spent $1,600, and, like, it's a little bit better. So I'm like, if. If someone really wants, like, true impact, but usually the sculpture patient isn't. Look like, I'm probably about to be a sculpture patient. It's like. Like, I just have, like, a little bit of volume loss here and there. But it's really cool because you can do, like, a Sculptra wash, we call it, and it's also going to improve skin quality because it's a bio stimulator, and it's not a. For some people who don't like the idea of a filler sitting on your face, I'm not bothered by that. But it's not a filler. It's not a filler. It's a bio stimulator, and it's going to stimulate your body to make new collagen. And I know. I feel like that right now. There's a lot of plastic surgeons out there who are, like, sculptors ruining my face. Like, we also, like, know plastic surgeons who are like, it's not a problem.

[Claire]

Right.

[Sarah]

Like, it's just. I feel like, yeah, I will probably will get a facelift one day, and I'm like, if it takes the surgeon 30 more minutes, yeah, that's okay.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And honestly, yeah, that's okay. A surgeon that can handle.

[Sarah]

I hope. I hope they can handle a little bit more.

[Claire]

Like, that's the counter argument from the surgeons are like, you can't. If you can't dissect the facial planes, then, like, what are you doing?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Like, I mean, think about scarring and all the things that they have to work through anyway, which is significant. So I like Sculptra, but again, it's not your job as the patient. I like the concept of Sculptra. I use a different bio stimulator called Radiesse more in my practice. I just like it better. I like its safety profile and the results that I've gotten. But it's not your job as the patient to be worried about what's best for you. In my hands, this product performs differently than it performs in, say, Sarah's hands.

[Sarah]

And that's critical, like, because I, like, inject more sculpture. You inject more Radiesse. It's like. Like, yeah. Some people be like, oh, I want Juvederm. I'm like, which we just not appropriate

[Claire]

for what you're asking.

[Sarah]

And also, we, like, just use different products. So it's really about the injector whose hands it's in and what. What they are doing with it.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Just because it's sculpture injected doesn't mean

[Lauren]

it's gonna be good, right, you guys?

[Chandler]

As long as the days are getting warmer, I'm trying to eat a little better. But I am really not about to give up sandwiches or wraps or any of the comfort food that I. I actually look forward to. And the stuff that actually keeps me full. That is where Herobred has quietly become one of my favorite finds lately. Their bread and bagels are delicious. I am genuinely surprised by how soft and fluffy they are. And you would never guess that they're so low in net carbs. They also do these fun, small batch drops of indulgent favorites like the popular 2 gram Net Carb Hero Croissant and the 5 gram Net Carb Hero Noodles. I am so excited to try their new Hero Noodles, which are high in fiber and have 12 grams of protein and just 80 calories per serving. Herobred makes sticking to my goals way easier and less annoying without feeling like I'm missing out on my favorite meals. Herobred is offering 10 off your order. Go to Hero Co and use code pop at checkout. That's Pophero Co. Yeah.

[Lauren]

And I think that that is another thing where sculpture does have some risks, right? There's the risk of nodules which is a.

[Chandler]

So I think someone should explain for a layperson.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like what Sculptra is.

[Lauren]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

So Sculptra is a biostimulator. It's called plla, which is poly L lactic acid. So it's going to. When it's injected in you, and you inject it with saline, it's like, comes as a powder vial. You inject it with saline, and then you can inject it with different amounts of saline based off what you want to do. But what's cool is you can put it in multiple different areas of the face. A lot of fillers. Not all of them, but a lot of fillers are like, okay, this is a lip filler because of its, you know, viscosity and density. Prime is what they call it. I'm like, the thickness of the product. Yeah, but sculpture. You know, I can put it in your temples. I can put it for the chin shadow. And so it. That day when you get injected with it, it just looks like you got a lot, like, saline in your face. You honestly look good the day you got it injected, but then it kind of like goes away. And then over the next six, eight weeks, it is telling your body, hey, we got to bring collagen elastin in and just kind of like, re. Refill that area.

[Claire]

Got it.

[Sarah]

Yeah. So it's not like that instant result. And that's where I say. But also depends on your body's response to it.

[Claire]

So autoimmune patients are contraindicated to get it, which I. That's.

[Chandler]

Sorry. Or what? Aren't I not supposed to get it?

[Claire]

Yeah. If you have any autoimmune issues that you're not. You are not supposed to get Sculptra. And that's part of it. Because the way that. That PLLA works is through that immune modulation system. And so it could be totally fine or not. And, you know, is that the cause of the nodules? Potentially. You also have homework as a patient. When you get Sculptra, you have to massage five times a day for days, for five minutes at Five, five, five, five minutes. Five times a day for five days. So let's say the patient goes home and doesn't do that. What. What happens?

[Chandler]

The nodules are like little pockets.

[Lauren]

They're like little, like, grains almost basically, that people can feel and see sometimes, and they. They're irreversible. So that's why I've never gotten it. Even though I definitely have volume loss, needful facial rejuvenation, I feel like, at this point.

[Chandler]

But no.

[Lauren]

And it's. But it's. I've just always been afraid, you know,

[Claire]

there are other things, I think. And I think that's valid. And I would say talk to whoever's injecting you.

[Chandler]

They.

[Claire]

They may. I mean, I think also. Yeah, you might. There. There are so many things. And also, nodules can happen with every. They can happen with ha. Fillers. They can happen with radiesse. Yes, obviously.

[Chandler]

Dissolve. Absolutely.

[Lauren]

But you can dissolve with filler.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yes, yes. Mostly.

[Claire]

Yes. Question.

[Lauren]

But you can't dissolve Sculptra.

[Claire]

Cannot.

[Sarah]

Cannot Radiesse radius.

[Claire]

You can kind of disperse the collagen. I mean, it says, you know, it's not common.

[Sarah]

I just want to.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Claire]

Also. Very, very, very.

[Sarah]

And also the. The 555. I'm more dialed in with sculpture than Claire. I know, because Claire's does radius, but, like, 5. The 555, they're really telling people it's not necessary because if it was, everyone would be walking around with nodules. Because everyone knows. No one does it. No one does it.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Like, even just hearing that, Mike.

[Sarah]

Oh, wow. Yeah. So I think maybe you need to massage that day. And I, like, massage my patients very vigorously afterwards. But, like, they're going to be fine. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yes. Nodules are risk with any filler. But, I mean, there are risks with

[Claire]

it, but they're with everything.

[Sarah]

They're not common. And if you have a provider that you trust and who's like, I will manage if this happens. I've got you. I will manage you through this.

[Claire]

Right.

[Sarah]

Like, the biggest risk with. With dermal filler, something called a vascular occlusion, and that's when the filler is blocking or, like, blood flow.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Sarah]

That is why, like, the scariest complication, there is a management to reverse it. If you are with a good provider. I mean, I've been injecting five years. You've been injecting seven years, eight years. Like, that has never happened to me. But I tell every patient about it, and I'm like, you have my cell phone number. If there's anything weird, you call me. Like, I'm always, like, ready for it to happen.

[Claire]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

So that's to know.

[Lauren]

It's also rare because I. It's my brain. Very rare. The fear, like, the amygdala. My amygdala is crushing it. Like, it always tells me about all the danger. These things are really.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Lauren's probably had, like, six conversations with ChatGPT about Sculptra yeah.

[Sarah]

But it's good to know that there are risks because I do think there are people like, you don't want to take any of this flippantly. Like you want to think about it

[Claire]

and like, we shouldn't be doing things at home. And there are certain states like Texas and Colorado. What are you doing? You don't even have to have any sort of medical license to inject anymore. And so you don't have to have

[Chandler]

a medical license to inject in those

[Sarah]

states as long as you have a supervising physician.

[Claire]

It's really getting whack.

[Chandler]

But I mean, I mean that's like the.

[Claire]

Everyone that works with us is by, by the like just putting all board certified MD nppa. Like that is what our bag of tricks is. Highly educated, very safety medical professionals. Yeah.

[Chandler]

I want to talk about CO2 lasers. Yeah.

[Claire]

Okay. I'm having one in April.

[Chandler]

Oh, you are? Okay. So are we seeing people get them a lot younger?

[Claire]

Yes.

[Chandler]

When can we start? When can I start?

[Sarah]

Not till your 40s.

[Claire]

Oh, get out of here. 30s.

[Chandler]

Really?

[Claire]

Yeah, I'm like, sure, why not? I mean, well, it depends. I think it.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I feel like.

[Sarah]

Yeah, you. No, no, I couldn't get a seat.

[Claire]

I mean, you can, you can.

[Sarah]

Yes. But like I feel like there are probably other.

[Claire]

There's different levels of. Also you can do deeper, you can do more aggressive. And then if someone said they. If somebody has really significant acne scarring, I'm taking.

[Lauren]

Are we talking about the like fully ablative three week recovery?

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Sarah]

I'm not that they do with facelifts.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay. So I'm maybe I'm thinking of the one that's like a 10 day recovery.

[Chandler]

Oh, like that's CO2. It's the same one.

[Claire]

It just depends how deep they can just go deeper.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I actually have had spot CO2, by the way, which wasn't intense, but I, you know, it was, it was great.

[Claire]

I mean if you have acne scarring and we're doing micro needling and we're doing peels and then they're in. Their CO2 may be appropriate. I think they're. There's. There's very little an aesthetics that's completely right or completely wrong. It's really should be so nuanced. And what is your particular concern and how does that person treating you feel? They can best address it, which we

[Sarah]

know is really annoying.

[Claire]

It's very. I know. Sorry. But it's very annoying.

[Chandler]

It's. I think it's the right philosophy because anyone who's true. Who isn't, you know, looking directly at your face and they're telling you they know exactly what to do with your skin.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

You know.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It's kind of all about establishing. Yeah. That per. For that person that you trust with to kind of guide you through that.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And a confident aesthetic provider should be referring you if they feel like you need a blepharoplasty.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Or a neck lift versus more sculpture radius or Botox, whatever it is.

[Chandler]

How often do you feel like you're getting. Patients come in, clients come in who are asking for one thing, and you're like, this is a. This is a surgical result every day.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And it's usually to do with, like, lifting eyebrows.

[Chandler]

Really? And they're thinking, like, let's do Botox.

[Sarah]

Let's do eyebrows.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

In the neck, I would say.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

There are some really talented injectors that you'll see before and afters on Instagram. And to me, when you're using that volume of filler, and I know what that costs. Like, maintenance.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Yeah. I mean, $15,000 worth of gallons. Yes.

[Chandler]

Gallons, Yes.

[Sarah]

I mean, like, we're talking like, 11 to 13 syringe before an accident, sometimes 20. I mean, and the results are beautiful. And it's almost surgical results, but I'm like, should have gotten surgery.

[Claire]

Well, then there's. Then they'll even say in the caption, like, this requires X amount of maintenance every year. And to me, the more ethical teaching for my patient is telling them that. And that here's also in our town, what a facelift costs, by the way.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Claire]

You know, my guy is about 30 right now.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Shout out Clayton Cranford. I think maybe he's gone up, and maybe he should. But, like, he has beautiful results.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

You'll need to pay $150,000.

[Claire]

No lift.

[Lauren]

No. All of that is so silly and, yes. Honestly, unethical.

[Sarah]

Like, it really is.

[Lauren]

I would never want to go to a surgeon that felt comfortable charging a price. That was predatory.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay. So let's talk about the different types of Botox, because someone's question was, how do I pick my talks?

[Claire]

You don't pick it.

[Lauren]

You don't pick it.

[Chandler]

No. Okay.

[Sarah]

You have to. You don't have to worry about it. I kind of think of it. So my mom's an interior designer, and, like, it's just, like, going to the person who's, like, going to make this easy for you. Like, how long can we all spend, like, trying to decorate our homes? Like, looking at every website, you're like, is this good quality? I have no idea. Like, it's really expensive. And it's just like, how about you go to someone if you want to. Of course, if you want a diy, go ahead.

[Claire]

Oh, but no, don't tell them that.

[Sarah]

Don't. Don't DIY this.

[Chandler]

Not DIY your face.

[Sarah]

Yeah, don't DIY your face. But also just like, yeah, going to someone who's like, this is the options. Like, we are zmn.

[Claire]

Stan, you're not picking your antibiotic.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

You're not picking your blood pressure medication. It is a drug. I have to be able to prescribe and administer that drug. And even if you see a nurse, they are working under a physician and that, whether it's facility or they're like specific protocols where someone has said, this is what drug we feel is appropriate for this patient, you have to be able to prescribe and administer. And so I am doing that for you. And you're not picking your medication in any other medical setting. And so I don't know if people feel pressure to pick or if they.

[Sarah]

I will say I feel like there are people who maybe if they've been getting neurotoxin for eight to 10 years or whatnot, and they're like, okay, I have tried both. I tried Botox first and then I tried Dysport or Xeomin. And like, I like the way this feels better. That's a totally different. That's a valid conversation.

[Claire]

That's valid.

[Sarah]

Yeah. That's like, some people, it does feel different. Like, I prefer the way Xeon feels on myself because I feel like I can be frozen, but I still, like, feel like my face is expressive.

[Chandler]

And that's just a different type of Botox, right?

[Sarah]

Yeah, like Botox and literally just a molecule, Zeom just doesn't have certain binding proteins that the others have. And the idea is that with less binding proteins, your body's not. Not going to recognize it as much because we definitely are seeing Botox resistance. Yes.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And is there a big price discrepancy between, like. Cause there's like Dysport.

[Lauren]

Not really.

[Claire]

They shouldn't really be. Now there are probably practices will get different.

[Sarah]

Like, obviously you buy in bulk. So like, we work with Galderma and mers, which is Zeimen and Dysport. And like, I mean, there can be

[Claire]

some variation, but it shouldn't be so dramatic that it would change your. Now there's a cheaper. There is a cheaper alternative right now

[Sarah]

because near the market.

[Claire]

Yeah, it's new, it's Korean, it's called Letbo. It is cheaper. It is, it is a shorter longevity. And then they're previously daxify, which now they've kind of restructured their pricing, but it has potentially a longer duration and it was more expensive, but that the balance wasn't matching up to what they were saying. So, I mean, essentially like if you, if you give, give, you know, us either any of these neurotoxins, we should be able to give you similar results. Just how long are they going to last? And little subtle nuances. But unless you've had those treatments and you know what you've gotten and you can tell a preference in yourself, then yeah, it's your injector will know, should know what's best for you.

[Sarah]

And usually your injector will carry two types at least. Yeah, they can't. You can't carry all of them because, like.

[Claire]

Well, it doesn't make sense.

[Sarah]

It doesn't make sense as a business.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

So yeah, there's usually two and there's different patient reward programs. I mean, you go on and on. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Basically, don't try to pick your talks. Is the answer to that one.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Let's talk about filler migration. So if, if you get lip filler one day, will it migrate and you're going to have to get it dissolved?

[Claire]

That's kind of a vague question to answer because it shouldn't.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Claire]

It shouldn't migrate. It should. It should, for the most part, go away on its own over time, but it's a lot slower than we previously thought in this industry as a whole.

[Sarah]

Which is great.

[Claire]

Which is great. Yeah. But also I would say gone are the days of where, you know, we're not letting these pharmaceutical companies tell us anymore, you need to redo this person's lip filler every six months.

[Lauren]

Interesting.

[Claire]

That's what they will tell you.

[Chandler]

That's what it was.

[Sarah]

That's what they'll tell you. That Nick, say six, six to eight months. I've had the same lip filler and four for over two years. And it looks maybe a little smaller, but like, it's great. Very much there. They look great.

[Claire]

Mine are three years old.

[Lauren]

I will say, when you shared your

[Sarah]

lip filler, it's insane.

[Lauren]

I used to be very anti lip filler, but you're one of the people where I was like, that looks very great. And it was such a, like a minimal amount. And there is just a way to do it that really is beautifying and it doesn't look like lip filler.

[Sarah]

Yeah. You know, and that is all. I mean, most of. I feel like a lot of us have the same aesthetic. Like, when Claire and I go to some of these conferences, like, it can get very scary in aesthetics as far as, like, overfilling that sort of thing. And, like, like, hurts myself. I'm like, I want people to look like themselves.

[Claire]

Someone leaves my office and anyone says, your filler looks good. I haven't done a good job. Is my.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I want philosophy.

[Claire]

That's my.

[Sarah]

Unless they're like, of course, like, swelling that day. Filler. But it's funny because lip filler, like, I was one of those people that when I smiled, like, my entire top lip would, like, go away. And it was something I was self conscious about. Literally my entire life, I was in this industry thinking about lip filler, but I was scared because I'm a baby with pain.

[Claire]

Fact.

[Sarah]

We did it. We did a dental block. It was fine. I didn't feel anything. I mean, literally, I was like, we have to, like. Like, we're doing, like, oral surgery.

[Claire]

Who did it? Who did it?

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Like, it was like. I know. I look at photos. I'm like, of my. At my wedding. I'm like, why didn't I do the.

[Claire]

That's how I feel about my before and after. My skin. I cannot wait to show y' all my picture of my skin 10 years ago. I mean, it is banana.

[Lauren]

Wait, I'm dying to.

[Claire]

I'll get. I'll, like, give it to you for

[Chandler]

this purposes of this educational podcast.

[Sarah]

You were, like, 32.

[Claire]

Oh, yeah. I went to the Laura Mercier counter OR no, Trish McAvoy to, like, refill my little binder. And I was like, I just, like, my makeup is not working, and the girl is like, beautiful black woman who does makeup in Charleston. And she goes, well, tell me what your skincare routine. And I said, like, I don't mean. I, like, don't have one. And she goes, oh, yeah, girl. Like, it's not the makeup, it's your skin. And I was like, shout out her. All right. Like.

[Chandler]

Like, she was right.

[Claire]

Hard facts, and then the rest is history.

[Sarah]

Yeah, here I am raging melasma over here.

[Claire]

Awful, bad.

[Chandler]

That's what you were dealing with.

[Lauren]

Wait, what were you dealing with?

[Claire]

Melasma. Like, my.

[Sarah]

Like, you had a spot on your forehead. I feel like that was like this.

[Claire]

This big, and then. And then wrinkles. But, like, what happens wrinkles at rest. At rest. And you could see the melasma and Then the wrinkles were like the, the white part. I'll. I'll show you your. Okay.

[Lauren]

I'm.

[Claire]

I will die because it's unbelievable.

[Lauren]

Your skin is like pristine. I feel like incredible. And it's like following someone's workout program on Instagram who just has a naturally. They're a trainer body.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like it's never as impact. I'm never as inspired as someone who has like actually worked out for that body. And if you actually have a before and after, that's so inspiring.

[Sarah]

Just. And also. Yeah. You weren't young when you started this.

[Claire]

My 30s.

[Lauren]

It was pretty young.

[Sarah]

No, it is young.

[Chandler]

It's very like you were, you know, 16.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

No. Now I feel like this whole generation, you know, I have an almost 11 year old daughter and they all are like, like doing skincare, which is hilarious and I'm you know, fascinated by it. I kind of.

[Chandler]

Your thoughts on it. Like there's like skincare brands that are now like marketed for.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

I mean my kind of general philosophy is like it's. It's a habit.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Claire]

Where a lot of moms kind of in my orbit and we all have kids similar ages. They're starting that pre puberty or puberty and kids and you do start having little breakouts or like KP on the face. So if we're teaching them about getting them in the habit, washing your face, putting on sunscreen and you know, maybe a moisturizer, but they probably don't need it. And especially if they're breaking out, I'm totally fine with it. Like in my house, I mean we never. We don't talk about weight, we don't talk about aging. I don't talk about like looking old. I mean my kids like know I do Botox. They think it's like hilarious. Also my, my 11, like none of her friends think I'm cool yet. So I'm just like waiting, just wait desperately for the day.

[Chandler]

I'm like not wealth of reality.

[Claire]

Oh my God. Like this is garbage. What are you using? But I think that it's fine. I think it is important to also we were doing play makeup and play nails and things like that. I don't think it's much different. I don't like necessarily the targeting of kids. And there are several lines people will ask me like what line is safe for my teen or my tween. It's really not about a line because even bubble or bioma or drunk elephant, something like that, that it's really just is it gentle and safe enough for children's skin who their cellular turnover is like peak all time high. So of course healthy, they don't need a vitamin C or retinoid or glycolic or anything like that. So they can definitely do some damage. But I think it's like everything else in parenting, it's kind of a subtle thing that we just need to keep in check and make sure we're talking about it in the right way. And that's how I talk to my, my daughter about it when she allows me to talk to her about it.

[Lauren]

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[Lauren]

Visit for hers.com do you have anything in terms of injector red flags? We alluded to this a little bit earlier but you guys obviously look very natural, a very natural aesthetic. You go to these conferences, I'm sure people can look insane. So I would say a red flag to answer a question that I'm asking is, is how they injector themselves how

[Sarah]

they look and also I think how you feel sitting in their chair. I think we both practice this way of like I ask my patients a lot of questions and a lot of them are like about how they are feeling in their day to day and how they are feeling like presenting themselves at work and whatnot and it's a lot of listening and I think when you go to an injector who's just like okay, we're doing this, this and this, it's over and you don't feel like you're. It's a shared decision making. Like, even though we're like, like, yeah, we're saying you don't get to dictate, but also it is still a conversation and you're both part of the team and I feel like if you feel, like, invalidated or you are rushed or they weren't listening to you, that's definitely a red flag.

[Claire]

It's very personal. I mean, they're. You know, we have a huge practice and we all practice a little bit differently. And there are people whose personalities and aesthetic are going to jive with yours a little differently. And if somebody wants a big, juicy Kylie Jenner lip that I'm not great at that. That's not my skill. Yeah. Skill or aesthetic or anything. I'm going to help. Help you find the right person.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

I mean, red flags to me really is also, you know, safety.

[Sarah]

I am price point, honestly.

[Claire]

Price point. If it's really, really cheap. Honestly. You got like, I get Instagram and email, like, cold stuff all the time about importing product. And it absolutely is happening where people are importing counterfeit fit filler. Like, all this stuff happening with filler and microneedling at home and talks at home. I mean, does this person know how to manage a complication? And if you're. If you're scared, like, about your sculpture or filler, ask them, have you had a complication? All of us who've injected enough, you're going to have a complication at some point. I've had one vascular occlusion and managed it. I've had a toxic complication. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it happens when you inject enough. If you want to know how do they manage it? You're welcome to ask. If somebody asked me, what's my management protocol, I'd be like, oh, here's there's a paper and that. Yeah. Also, they should never be dismissive about your concern or someone who.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Who doesn't talk about risks. Because even, like, people, I'm like, I know we've done filler before, but let's just run through again. These are the warning signs.

[Claire]

This is going to properly consent you.

[Sarah]

Properly consent you. It is a medical treatment.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

If you are getting Botox for less than. Honestly, I'm like, at this 10, 11, $11 a unit. And if you were in a metropolitan area and getting less than like, 12, I'm like, that's kind of. Kind of crazy.

[Chandler]

1.

[Claire]

There's a place in town that always has a billboard for. For us. And I See it seven, eight bucks. But I also know they literally like the amounts that people are getting. They're getting it. People don't realize this. You can really sneak it in places where no one would notice. And it's like a few units here, a few units there. And then you just doubled the amount that you gave the person.

[Sarah]

You got 100 units, you know, seven

[Lauren]

or eight dollars a unit, but you only actually, you needed half the amount.

[Claire]

40, and they gave you 100. There's different dilutions and.

[Lauren]

Wow.

[Claire]

So I mean, I mean, can you

[Lauren]

guys weigh in on Botox risks? Because you said you had a Botox.

[Sarah]

Yeah, I had a. The most, like, common Botox risk is the lid ptosis.

[Lauren]

Oh, right.

[Sarah]

So that's when you get a droopy eyelid. And like, again, I've, I mean, that results.

[Claire]

I would like to say our average at the skin Click is a 0.02% in this complication and the national average is 2%. Just wanting to put that out there.

[Sarah]

Sometimes we joke. I'm like, we are like so conservative that. Which is good. But yes, it does resolve itself. And you, you can we send you up ne drops. And that, that is a eye drop that helps because it, it gets into a muscle that's in the eyelid that then paralyzes that. So then you're kind of having the droopy eyelid. And I mean, it is, it is distressing even though it's not life threatening. Like having a droopy eyelid. Like, I lost sleep over it. Like, I was so upset for that.

[Claire]

Patient sucks.

[Sarah]

It sucks. And yes, the upne helps. It goes away in about, about four to six weeks. And that's why, like the jupy eyelid

[Lauren]

goes away in four to six weeks.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Oh, not three months.

[Claire]

But that's a red flag. I've, I've had people reach out that like, have gotten Botox for the migraine protocol or even had an aesthetic person reach out to me from New York and her injector did not know how to correct her ptosis. I was like, what do you mean? She said there's nothing she can do.

[Sarah]

Yeah, there's two things you can do about it, right?

[Claire]

There's multiple things and the injection. Yeah, there's a lot of different things. And. But as in general, I think the actual neurotoxin itself is very low risk and we use it in the medical setting in much, much, much higher doses. Like what?

[Chandler]

I'm curious.

[Sarah]

Like bladder.

[Claire]

Bladder dystonia.

[Chandler]

Botox in your bladder.

[Claire]

Yeah, they do interstitial cystitis. Cervical dystonia. The migraine protocol is 150 units. Cerebral palsy. Yeah, it was. So Botox was in. Or the cosmetic portion of Botox came about after. You know, people have, like, a lazy eye, and it's called nystagmus. It's actually an overcorrection of that eye. And the ophthalmologists that were working and using it were paralyzing that muscle to correct that issue. And then, of course, like everything else. Good. We're like, what else can we do with this? Make it profitable. So shout out to the carothers. But that's how we got here.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Interesting.

[Chandler]

I didn't know that.

[Claire]

Yeah. Salivary. All kinds of stuff. Yeah.

[Chandler]

It's like there are a lot of people getting Botox. Botox or Botox happens in the medical, you know, all day, every day.

[Claire]

Insurance, other reasons besides paying Fluffy skin.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah. And people are fine. Absolutely. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay, so let's talk about peptides, because I heard recently on the Between Us podcast with Heather and Terry Dubrow, Heather loves the glow stack. And someone asked about the glow stack. People are not just, you know, doing GLP1s. They're also doing these, like, these peptides for beauty. Are there any peptides for beauty that you guys really recommend?

[Sarah]

So peptides are very exciting. Like the. I feel like the new frontier of aesthetic medicine. Claire and I both prescribe GLPs, which are peptides. And I feel like GLP1. Yeah. Okay. Compounded semaglutide or tricepatide, which are really amazing and have changed. I mean, it's changed so much of the past few years. And, yeah, I definitely lost, I feel like, six to 12 months. The. Yeah, the stacking, the peptides and all that. And we don't prescribe that at this time. I think right now it's kind of the wild west out there.

[Claire]

It's very new. And what's interesting. So I know, like, the Dubrows were talking about it, you said, on their podcast, and I don't know what he's doing in his practice. So it's. They may have been doing it for a long time. I think you could say the same thing about GLP1s. You know, five years ago, it was a very new concept using them the way that we were. Whereas for normal weight. Yeah. Now there have been hundreds of thousands of patients that have used them safely, and we know they've been used safely for decades in a medical setting for weight loss and diabetics and cardiovascular management. Things like that.

[Lauren]

And what do you mean by normal weight patients?

[Claire]

Well, gosh, even saying normal weight, we're really just using BMI for that, which is a measurement of your height and weight. Put into this a formula.

[Lauren]

So non obese.

[Claire]

So non obese. Yeah, it's a great way to say it, but even obesity can be tricky. BMI is not our best tool. You could be like centrally obese where you have these little stick thin legs and arms. But like all of your body fat is concentrated to the belly, which is really dangerous. And one of the worst types of kind of skinny fat is a way that people I think kind of recognize it.

[Lauren]

All that fat by your organs. Right.

[Claire]

Your heart, like visceral fat and, and it's tough. So GLP1s are I think the most exciting peptide to me right now. Just because there's so much evidence and such a safety profile and the more data that comes out, the safer they are proving to be and the more truly long term benefits about, I mean stroke, Alzheimer's, cancer, which to me is more impressive than the aesthetics right now. But that's not to say, I mean, I think it'll be really exciting in the next few years. What peptides are gonna be considered, you know, know, safe and well known.

[Sarah]

Like yeah, wellness routine.

[Claire]

And also again, back to the quick fix thing we were talking about in the beginning. Are you, are you exercising? Are you eating right? Are you taking care of your skin? Are you hydrated? And people really want, you know, an injectable.

[Sarah]

Are you checking in with your, if you're on a glp, like your habits, your food habits.

[Claire]

Yep.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Interesting. Okay, so. And that's something you guys do as well?

[Sarah]

Yes, we do. We, yeah, have a telemedicine practice and, and did that.

[Lauren]

Amazing.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I'm curious, you know, a lot of people are taking GLP1s. Any concerns? I mean, I feel like the majority of people are on them.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, true.

[Claire]

At this point.

[Lauren]

It is true.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And they're amazing medications. I think that again similar to Botox and whatnot, we need to remember that like these are medications that need to be like properly managed and like risk benefit analysis and, and not everyone's a candidate. And especially if you have history of disordered eating or anything like that is definitely not a candidate. What I think is sometimes like I, I get so excited medically about these medications because it's incredible, it's incred. The, the lives that's changed of my own small patient panel is like, it's

[Claire]

actually more fun than the actual aesthetics.

[Sarah]

I've been so fun trying to lose

[Claire]

20 pounds for the messages we get from these women that are. I mean, and men just don't tell me these things. I'm sure I have plenty of male patients, but they're not like gushing to me via text, whereas my ladies will. But the text that we get from people talking about how their weight and their relationship with weight and food has dominated their thoughts for the duration of their lives and how they don't have to feel that way anymore, whether it's. And people aren't. Who aren't even at their goal weight yet and they're just, oh, I don't think about this 24 7. Yes. And the biggest thing I. I started helping my. My husband's a physician when we started. He started prescribing them years ago. And I've been so. I've been doing them for quite a while. And the first thing that we noticed was all of these women coming back and saying, I just kind of forgot that I drink a glass of wine every night at five o'.

[Chandler]

Clock.

[Claire]

I forgot, like, I forgot how much I love or thought I loved alcohol, which in medicine there's very little that is not increased risk with alcohol. There's no cancer, even skin cancer that's not associated with alcohol use. So to me, that was the first thing that was like, wow. And now it's being independently studied in addiction completely outside of weight loss at all. So, I mean, I just. I'm like, can't say enough how cool I think this drug is.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, I will say I do think that we are seeing a little bit of a. An overuse happening now. We're seeing it in Hollywood so much more. I mean, just looking at the Oscars.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

I feel like that's not new. Do you guys think. Well, I don't think it was just

[Chandler]

maybe Kane and Adderall before they're on.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Assume that they're probably on a GLD one.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

But I think it's just there were other things doing. We're seeing, I think people who were normal or just whatever, like very thin. Yeah. Normal charged word. But people who are getting extremely thin.

[Claire]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sarah]

And I definitely struggle with. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I feel like we did so much and moved so far forward and like the body positivity thing. And I still think we can still be body positive. But also people are all on their own independent journeys. And like, I'm. I have taken them and I feel like I was like that where Food dominated my life. I just overthought it. And I had 15 pounds that once that came off and I was like, oh, I thought I was like eating normal amounts and I was eating a lot, you know, and like that this medication taught me that. And I would have what I would have. I would have never been able to learn that because of the way it changes your brain signaling towards food. And so I now I'm like, okay, well, food doesn't like dominate my life anymore.

[Claire]

I've had patients get off their psoriasis, biologics say they no longer have issues with their endometriosis, pain, migraines. I mean, things that we certainly don't say are going to come along with this, but just these unintended positive side effects that are really fun to see.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

But it's complex for sure.

[Chandler]

And it's like with anything, people are gonna take it to an extreme.

[Sarah]

Yeah, people are gonna ruin the fun.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Like that people are going to ruin,

[Sarah]

they are always going to ruin it.

[Claire]

Somebody's going to overdo it.

[Sarah]

Somebody's going to overdo it.

[Claire]

It's hard because it makes you feel sick if you overdo it. It's hard. Your body has kind of a set point. I mean, so they're, you know, they're. It. It's harder than you think to just.

[Sarah]

And again, why you should work with a provider on it, not be like self titrating and that.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

It's interesting. I also saw, I think you sent this to me or I know you sent it just to me. There was a very popular celebrity and she's just so thin right now. And it is kind of almost like there's like a thinness Olympics happening amongst these a list celebrities. And I don't know, in my opinion, not only does it not look good, but because now anyone can be emaciated if they want to be emaciated, then. I know it's like weird to say, but I think that whatever's out of reach is what people want.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And so I think power out of it. Yeah, it takes, it takes, it really does. And I think that now really having like a healthy, muscular body is going to be the thing that is truly the status symbol because that is like built really through discipline and it's hard to get.

[Sarah]

It ages you faster. And I'm like, anyone who's taking a GLP1 listening to this, you have to be doing strength training because your body will deteriorate your muscle and you'll be like oh, I'm losing weight.

[Chandler]

Weight.

[Sarah]

And you were just losing muscle. You're not losing fat. You have to be doing strength training. I'm like three to four times a week. If you're a regular, at least. At least. I'm like, go for five.

[Chandler]

That's why I'm so glad. I do feel like the exercise narrative has really, like, you have to been geared towards women strength training, not just like true heavy cardio. It's like, no, you. If you want to be able to open a jar.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

You know, when you're in your. We've all seen that.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like, you need to be doing farmer carries. You need to be building muscles.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Pilates. That's all we're talking about. Like, that's not. We're not.

[Claire]

No true heavy heavy lifting.

[Sarah]

I do love Pilates, but that can't be your only form of strength training instructor. Yeah, that cannot be your only form. Especially with a DLP one, which it will.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And I feel like I see that a lot, especially patients, you know, who are in their 40s and 50s and maybe haven't exercised in a while. And I'm sure going to a Strength training feels very intimidating, but I'm like, that is. That is so critical. And even just getting some weights at home.

[Claire]

Home.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Agree.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

Follows really quick. I want to talk about celebrities, but before you do that, can we just talk about at home devices and gadgets? Sure. So, like mic Micro. Microcurrent, Microcurrent stimulating devices, LED masks, anything you want to hit on.

[Claire]

I mean, again, it's kind of my general philosophy with all of most things that we've talked about today. If that's what you're doing and expecting results. No. Now if you're doing all the other things and you'd like to add something, sure. You're going to get a temporary plumping from microcurrent. You know, red light therapy at home with a, A good device can be helpful, but it really takes the other proven treatments first.

[Sarah]

You need to do it. You need to do it. Five days.

[Claire]

Really consistent.

[Sarah]

I have a really nice LED mask and I like the ritual of it.

[Claire]

I don't.

[Sarah]

And I spend a lot of time on skincare, but it's, it's annoying. I'm like, this is another thing.

[Lauren]

I do think it flares my pigmentation, which is.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

I mean the red light mask is hot for me. Like I'm not doing it.

[Sarah]

It.

[Claire]

Cuz I know it does.

[Sarah]

But also for acne. It can be good.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I mean, but there other.

[Lauren]

Okay. So when we're talking about these things though, are they a 5%?

[Claire]

Like no one can say that because they're not even. There's no data on it. Like we don't even know.

[Lauren]

So not. They're not important.

[Sarah]

I would say focus on. Yeah. The skin care. And again, if you got money to burn, the new face isn't hurting you.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And if you want a like lymphatic drainage. But I'm like, yeah.

[Claire]

If you struggle with puffy under eyes and you see it come and go and you. It's typically lymphatic or allergy related. Do some gua sha.

[Chandler]

Yeah, that's great.

[Lauren]

Oh, speaking of kind of stretching the skin or you know, manipulations. Can we talk about facial exercises? Yes, because there, there are definitely people on Instagram who say that facial exercise can basically give you like a full brow lift. Look, you know, erase the need for the surgeons.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Like what's possible with facial exercise?

[Claire]

I mean, it's possible to grow a muscle with facial exercise. While you're doing that, you're doing the opposite of what our neurotoxin is doing. Right. So you're continuing to fold the skin in a specific way that's forming more deep and static lines. I think what I've seen is typically most of the people talking about facial exercises, I know what they're also doing. And they can say what they want all day long about what they're not doing. We all talk in the aesthetic industry and we're very aware of what they are doing. So it's tough. I mean, you'll see all these plastic surgeons and they will come on and refute it. And last week I saw one that was pretty telling about someone talking about the facial exercises and literally where the muscles insert, like their origin and the insertion is like, this is not possible. What you're saying. This isn't where this muscle goes in.

[Chandler]

This just might not be on my algorithm. But are we talking about, about like mewing?

[Claire]

Are we talking about like literally like, what is mewing?

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah, like the.

[Chandler]

Where you, like, you're supposed to put your tongue to the roof of your mouth when your mouth is closed to like strengthen your jawline, basically. Like, I'll do it right now.

[Claire]

Well, that would. Okay, somatic result. That, that would be, that would work if you're, if you're increasing like your masseter muscle, which is that jaw muscle. Right.

[Sarah]

We do not want to increase that.

[Claire]

Well, it depends. Maybe you do if you want a wider face. Yes. Like, I get my before and afters. I apparently had a lot bigger masseter.

[Chandler]

Oh, interesting.

[Claire]

And when I started botoxing them, my face is less round. So are you strengthening your jawline? Yes. Is that making your, your face more round also? Yes. And if that's what you want, go for it.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

But we have people all day, every day coming in to get treatments to make them smaller, to slim the face.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And so you decide the facial massage that you're, that you're seeing sometimes online, it's like literally people massaging their own faces.

[Lauren]

Yeah, People, like, they'll do like a full like 10 minute routine like every morning on like each side.

[Claire]

Oh, yeah.

[Chandler]

To like find.

[Claire]

It's like more release the fascia.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And I, I will say, like, I, I'm a big fan of a buckle massage. I'm a big fan of like, was it face skin gym or whatnot?

[Claire]

Yeah, my face gym.

[Sarah]

Some people carry a lot of tension in their face and. Or carry a lot of fluid in their face, especially the under eye area. And like, you can definitely get temporary release from that and relief. And like, you will look like more like. I feel like when, whenever I get a buckle massage, I do look like more like, I don't know, sharper jawline. But that like lasts like 30 minutes.

[Chandler]

It's like a lymphatic drainage massage on your body. Exactly. Like it's a temporary.

[Claire]

Very temporary. And listen, if I'm walking A red carpet maybe. I am having a colon cleanse and a lymphatic massage to, like, get every amount of. I mean, lymph fluid is normal, but we don't really control it as well as it's supposed to be moving all of the time. So, you know, I mean, some people's

[Sarah]

gets more blocked than others.

[Claire]

Okay.

[Lauren]

But for the most part, this is all BS and it's not creating these surgical results.

[Claire]

There's just a lot of other ways you can spend your time, money, and your effort.

[Sarah]

Unless you just love doing.

[Chandler]

I think, too, like, some people are enjoy the ritual of it. It's like, it's like a meditative thing. Like, I like taking my, like, red light showers. Like, that's, that's my thing.

[Lauren]

No, I, I, I love people spending time the way they want to. I think that's a great thing. We are all fans, but I, I, what I don't like is scamminess, and I don't like people selling courses on facial exercise promising an upper blepharoplasty and eyelid, you know, reception results.

[Claire]

That's wild behavior. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Ye. What is happening online and people is shocking what people will believe. And so that's just where I think that we can really provide some, hopefully some grounding.

[Claire]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chandler]

Absolutely.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Let's talk about celebrities. Kendall Jenner has recently gone on the record saying the only thing she's ever had to end to her face is baby Botox. This is someone who we have seen in HD on our television screens for a long time, who does look dramatically different, I would say, from when she was a teenager. Now we all look dramatically different from when we were a teenager. So am I just, just a jelly belly?

[Chandler]

Yeah. Well, she, she also says that her nose changed because of Accutane. Like, Accutane shrunk her nose, which people do claim that that happens, but she's

[Sarah]

definitely had a blepharoplasty. I'm like, it's just very, it's a tough one. Yeah. Very, very clear. And it's. Honestly, sometimes I'm like, and, and we would have more respect for you if you tell us that you. Yeah, I would, I would expect.

[Claire]

And Kim says the same thing, which

[Sarah]

is, if I was in your place, I would definitely have plastic surgery.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Claire]

I, I just, I don't understand why they do that. Like, I don't, I just don't understand why I don't understand.

[Chandler]

They know if it's some type of, like, code between a lot of celebrities, like, we're Just not going to talk about it.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And some are talking about it more. I forget who.

[Chandler]

I mean, Kris Jenner did talk about.

[Sarah]

Well, finally, we're like, you're 80.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Like, you.

[Sarah]

You have had facelifts Multiple.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And it is interesting. And, and. And of course, I can't imagine, like, the pressures of. Of being in the public eye. I mean, even being in this room with a camera, I'm like, constantly like, oh, my God, who's looking at this? So, you know, I. I do feel for them, but there is a. And there's a lot that can happen with puberty, weight fluctuations, you know, and Accutane works on the sebaceous glands. And so that, I think, is where the concept of it potentially slimming the nose comes from. But, I mean, your lips don't get bigger.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

With time. They just don't.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Things like. Things like that. And Kim's a great example of saying that she's only had, you know, a few things here and there done. It's just. It's just not correct.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Claire]

It's not true.

[Sarah]

Also, guys don't get baby Botox. I feel like people in their late 20s are like, I just want a little bit. And it's not that you're getting like a ton or anything, but you want them. You want a good, proper dosage to give you a natural result. When it's. It's like done halfway, it looks very. Obviously, you got Botox. I feel like I can see it on people when it's like, you know, half their forehead is moving, half's not. Just like, trust. Find an injector, you trust and just be like, I want to get. Because I tell people, I'm like, I want to give you the four full months of, like, a really solid treatment that you feel good about and you feel like, you know, I spent good money on this and I love my results. And that's what looks the most natural is when it's like, kind of done together. Yeah. It's not based on your age. It's really based on, like, the strength of the muscles in your face.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And you should be waiting, like.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Going. You know, for those durations.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So that you're the muscles fully.

[Sarah]

You know, it doesn't need to get to back to zero. But I definitely like to keep people. I'm like, if I get you three times a year, like, that is, like, perfect. They'll tell you 12 weeks.

[Claire]

Think about, like, when you get your hair done.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And if you go so far in between and then it's like dramatic and people realize, oh, you got your hair highlighted. At least for, for the blondes listening. But I mean, it's kind of like that if you go totally back to baseline, it becomes obvious that you had your, your, your work done. So I kind of. Every patient's different. For some it's three months, for some it's four, five, six.

[Sarah]

Some people are really lucky and there's no age.

[Claire]

I think people feel like they're in their 20s. They need this baby Botox. I have 25 year olds who have deeper static lines than some 50 year olds for a plethora of reasons. Yes. Totally depends on.

[Chandler]

And you know, there is something to be said for like preventative Botox. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I mean, I think some people are kind of anti that, you know, or

[Sarah]

like, you know, I don't think you

[Chandler]

wait until you do it.

[Sarah]

Yeah, like it definitely helps things.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Were we talking about how kind of a little bit going back to celebrities, how just much access they have to treatments and just the amount of resources at their disposal. It's really just something where if you're comparing yourself to these celebrities, it's a fool's errand because they're, they're really like, if you're both playing a game of beauty, they're doing it on steroids. Yeah. And you're not going to be able to do it, I mean, through their

[Sarah]

business to look good.

[Claire]

It's their job. Even more than ours.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Claire]

And even I'm guilty myself. I'll compare to other, you know, people on Instagram or Injectors and I have to remind myself, this girl is 27 or like Sarah, she started getting treatments in her young 20s. I was in my 30s and that's a whole decade, you know, that I have of sun exposure and tanning bed

[Sarah]

and like you'll never look this good.

[Claire]

I'll never, never get there. So it's just not even fair to you. So I mean, I try really hard and I say no a lot. I mean, I tell people like, no, you just need. I mean one thing I ask what bothers you? And also I make sure people know nobody needs any of this. Like, there's no such term as like you need. Yeah, nobody needs it.

[Sarah]

Feel like they need a GLP1 or need Botox or need. But like these are options for you. If it is something that bothers you,

[Claire]

does it bother you?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And I think also it's an aesthetic of a light amount of these interventions. There's an Aesthetic of the full amount. Some people, they literally want the full amount because they think it's a flex. They think it looks like they can afford it. It's a. It's almost like a.

[Claire]

Is that what they say?

[Lauren]

100%. Yeah, there absolutely is that. That. I also think, like, do you guys watch Beverly Hills?

[Chandler]

I feel like, watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Sarah]

Duhs.

[Lauren]

What else could Beverly Hills refer to? Forgot it's a city at this point. But anyway, I feel like Sutton has such a. Cuz she's talked about really not getting any treatments. She barely got Botox at, like, in her 50s. I think she looks so beautiful and just has a different, literally look than the other women. Even though the other. The other women have had interventions. They've discussed, you know, all of their or many of their tweaks they've had done. I don't necessarily look at her and think, oh, my gosh, like, if only she had gotten on the train. No, to me, it's like, it's just a different. Yeah. Look.

[Sarah]

And she's genetically blessed.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

She doesn't have any lines.

[Claire]

At rest, I would say we hear the phrase, I don't know how often you hear it every day. I don't want to look like a Real Housewife. Okay. And I'm sorry for any Real Housewives listening, but I hear it constantly. And I say to these patients, someone should have told her no, like, six appointments ago.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Like, that's how dramatic it is. It's. Particularly with filler. And thank God, I think we're swinging away from that in the industry as a whole. But again, I mean, you go to an aesthetics conference and you're like, what,

[Sarah]

of like, nine happening?

[Claire]

It takes a lot of work, money, time, effort, appointments over and over to. To even get to that look. Like, it takes a lot. Someone should have been like, I think you're good.

[Chandler]

That's not an overnight decision.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chandler]

And also, I mean, but it's like, you know, it's a money maker. So if you can tell, okay, come back in six weeks and let's. Two months. Let's touch it.

[Claire]

Got to top it off.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I'd make another 15k.

[Lauren]

I think something looks so good too. Like, I. I honestly, I have to look for her look. And I kind of. As I am, I'm. As I'm getting older, I'm like, I. I really hope I have the willpower to just get. Look older someday, because I do think it's. It's a pretty look.

[Sarah]

I feel like Sutton has to be on her SPF game because she looks like the sun hasn't touched her face.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Like, she looks very natural. It looks very natural. But also, you can just kind of tell. I feel like I can. Especially with patients. Like, I can tell who wears sunscreen and also who's, like, extreme about it and who, like, does it maybe 50% of the time.

[Lauren]

I know.

[Chandler]

Do I need to be really reapplying?

[Sarah]

Like, I mean, something is definitely reapplying.

[Claire]

Depends on what you're doing.

[Lauren]

No, I will say I was at this plastic surgeon's office, and in the waiting room, there was this woman, and she just had this, like, this skin that you could tell it had been lasered a million times. It had never seen the sun. It was kind of a weird look.

[Claire]

It's waxy. It's too much. It's weird. I agree.

[Lauren]

And not a hot way. Like, I really think I love a little bit of, like. Like a. A Gwyneth Paltrow kind of aging a little bit more naturally. I mean, it's hard.

[Chandler]

It's like, you can't even really say, like, I want her look because she's also another celebrity who has access to. Literally.

[Claire]

She was a spokesperson for Zo. Like, she is getting the things. Is she talking about it? No. Is she? Okay, so I lived in Nashville for a couple years, is a good example, and had some celebrity patients, and they have. It's a very fascinating. And. And singers, too. Like, they have to be able to move in certain ways, and at certain times, they'd be like, hey, I'm filming this. This timeline, so I can and cannot do this on this timeline. And it's a different. Like, when you see someone with a lot of movement.

[Sarah]

Except for Nicole.

[Claire]

I know Nicole. Bless it. She was not my patient. They're timing it so they're getting it in between because they know it is good for the general upkeep. But they're timing it when they have to have movement for a role or for a tour or whatever. That looks like. I would die a million deaths to know what Taylor Swift is having and who's doing it and when and why, in what case.

[Lauren]

Well, yeah, I mean, I just. As I say, I would love, like, the all natural look. I also would love the Emma Stone full facial rejuvenation.

[Claire]

Yeah, she looks phenomenal. You will not commit.

[Sarah]

Taylor looks phenomenal.

[Claire]

Phenomenal.

[Sarah]

And. But also.

[Claire]

And Hathaway, bless it.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Looks phenomenal.

[Lauren]

So it's. It's tough. And I would. I would love to know Exactly. Who's doing it? Exactly. What timeline? I don't know.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I need, like, sheets, screenshots, timelines. It's like everything.

[Claire]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I need it all because. Yeah, they. They do great. But also we're seeing their Instagram, we're seeing their, like, face app. Retouched photos that are just slightly true, you know, True.

[Claire]

But there's some things you just can't retouch.

[Chandler]

Yes. And some of it's just genetics.

[Claire]

That's also.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And I won't say who, but some of the people. We've. One person in particular, I think can look a little crazy at this point.

[Claire]

I mean, plenty of people look crazy. And I also, too, like, in person. I. You'll see a lot of influencers and skin people in person. I'm like, oh, okay. Your skin does look more normal. So it's just a weird time.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Claire]

Mentally, for every.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Claire]

I don't know. It's tough.

[Chandler]

Yeah. No, I literally zoomed in on a video of Kendall Jenner from the Oscars red carpet. I was like. It was, like, just very validating for me. I'm like, okay, I see pores, I see texture. There's texture on her skin. Yep. Like, I have texture every day.

[Sarah]

She's the best makeup artist.

[Chandler]

Yeah. She has, like, every accent to everything. And there's still texture.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah. Texture's normal and good.

[Chandler]

Texture is normal.

[Lauren]

Yeah, texture is normal, but I don't want any.

[Claire]

Pores are normal. How can I get rid of the.

[Lauren]

I have too much. Okay, you guys, Sarah, Claire, thank you so much for coming on. You truly are a wealth of knowledge. Okay, so for anyone who also doesn't want texture or pigment or acne or any of your ailments, anything that you would like treated. Where can people find.

[Claire]

So any of our social media is the skin click. So Instagram, our website, skinclick.com and you can book with one of our providers there. You can grab your favorite products, we have them categorized, and there's always someone that can help you guide you through that. And we're going to do 10% off for anybody who comes from Popapologist. For skincare, the code's going to be pop 10.

[Lauren]

So. Nice.

[Sarah]

And for services as well. And yeah, you can go. Go into our website. You can get routed to any services I think we have. If you want to do telehealth or anything like that, we have providers in, like, over 40 states. So we'll match you with someone who'll

[Lauren]

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[Sarah]

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[Chandler]

For treatments for GLP1.

[Sarah]

Yes. Yeah, exactly.

[Lauren]

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[Sarah]

Yes. Not. Not off the GLP ones, though. We, we can't, we can't discount those, sadly. But everything else, services and skincare and.

[Lauren]

Yeah, amazing. And where could they find both of you?

[Sarah]

Yeah, you can find us on Instagram. I'm Sarah bullocknp.

[Claire]

And I'm Claire o', Brien, np.

[Lauren]

Thank you both so much for coming on.

[Sarah]

Thanks for having us.

[Claire]

Thanks for having us.

[Lauren]

Of course. Bye, guys.

[Chandler]

Bye.

[Lauren]

Okay, everyone, I hope you loved that episode. And to get 10% off everything from the skin click, you can go to. To skinclick.com pop and use code pop10. Thanks for listening.

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