361: Taylor & Travis MSG Wedding Rumors, Dua Lipa's Chic Wedding + Summer House Reunion Pt. 2

Summary

Podcast Summary: Pop Apologists Ep. 361 (June 10, 2026)

Taylor & Travis MSG Wedding Rumors, Dua Lipa's Chic Wedding, and Summer House Reunion Pt. 2

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Episode Overview

Sisters Lauren and Chandler return to Pop Apologists after a European vacation, diving straight into the juiciest topics in celebrity culture. This episode unpacks the swirling rumors around Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s alleged upcoming wedding at Madison Square Garden, details Dua Lipa and Callum Turner’s extravagant nuptials in Sicily, dissects the aftermath of the Summer House reunion (part two), and touches on other trending celebrity stories, including updates on Karen Read, Kim Kardashian’s rumored relationship, and pop culture etiquette debates.

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1. Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce: Madison Square Garden Wedding Rumors

Timestamps: 05:29–27:20

Key Discussion Points

• The Rumor: Multiple Page Six sources claim Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are planning to wed at MSG over the July 4th weekend.
• Venue Logistics: Alleged details include transporting guests on blacked-out buses for maximum privacy, reliance on MSG’s high-security infrastructure, and possibly a 1,000-person guest list. Debate over why this level of secrecy or scale is needed.
• Security & Privacy: Lauren theorizes that controlling airspace above MSG is a key draw due to concerns about paparazzi helicopters.
• Plausibility and Sense:
  • Chandler calls it “the Paul Bunyan of celebrity gossip…a very tall tale that’s been planted” (08:35).
  • Both sisters express skepticism, critiquing the lack of natural light, sterile event space, and “festival” energy with such a large guest list.
• Feasibility Alternatives: They brainstorm unique venues with restricted airspace—Buckingham Palace, Disneyland, Vatican City, Longleat, Fort Knox—as (mostly tongue-in-cheek) alternatives.
• Media Manipulation: Chandler speculates Taylor’s PR (Tree Paine) is “planting a bunch of little stories to keep everyone guessing. She’s been literally training for this her entire life” (21:00).
• Fan Reactions: Confess they’d probably “go stand outside” MSG if the wedding happens there (20:19–20:42).

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler: “This is truly so much to take in. It’s too much for one person to bear, especially post-vacation, just in a jet lag haze.” (08:25)
• Lauren: “I think we really have to grapple with how insane her life has gotten if this is the plan.” (13:47)
• Chandler: “This is asking for it. If she’s literally inviting a thousand people to her wedding, I just think that’s fucking stupid.” (13:47)
• Lauren: “You’re literally attending the Taylor Swift Wedding Experience.” (11:46)

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2. Dua Lipa & Callum Turner: A Masterclass in Chic Wedding Style

Timestamps: 27:31–31:45

Key Discussion Points

• Wedding Details: Dua Lipa and Callum Turner privately wed in London, then hosted a multi-day, $17-million celebration in Palermo, Italy—including Elton John performing and a guest list packed with A-listers (Adele, Donatella Versace, Shakira, etc.).
• Fashion Praise: The sisters rave about Dua’s “impeccable” style—her chic hat at the civil ceremony, Bulgari jewels, a Bottega feather clutch.
• Personal Reactions: Chandler admits to “one-sided jealousy” due to sharing the same birthday with Dua, while Lauren feels only admiration.
• Contrast to Taylor’s Rumors: Chandler notes the proximity of Dua’s wedding to the possible Taylor event as a mark against overlapping dates for such major celebrity weddings.

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren: “When the bride's fashion slaps, it just does something for me.” (29:11)
• Chandler: “I'm jealous and I'm struggling to find something positive to say other than that I'm jealous and I'm hot for them.” (30:57)

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3. Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton: New PR Romance?

Timestamps: 31:45–39:50

Key Discussion Points

• Relationship Speculation:
  • Kim Kardashian recently seen at the Monaco Grand Prix supporting Lewis Hamilton, who “blew her a kiss” on the podium.
• PR or Genuine?:
  • Chandler is skeptical about the romance’s legitimacy, calling it “very PR-y” (38:19).
  • Lauren contends Kim “doesn’t need this kind of PR relationship at her level,” but Chandler sees it as image-boosting.
• Chloe’s Role: They debate whether Chloe’s attendance is evidence against PR theories—Lauren leans “genuine,” Chandler’s not convinced.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler: "No, I think this is exactly what she needs. It keeps her relevant. I just don’t buy that they're actually together.” (37:56)
• Lauren: “If you were at her level of success, you wouldn’t play those games anymore.” (38:10)

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4. Karen Read Sues Massachusetts State Police

Timestamps: 40:00–45:06

Key Discussion Points

• Lawsuit Details: Karen Read sues for damages, citing police misconduct and mishandled evidence in the John O’Keefe case.
• Media Coverage: Both critique the interviewers for tone-deaf questions and admire Karen’s composed responses.
• Broader Issues: Discuss routine police corruption in the department and the “sloppy” (at best) way evidence was handled.
• Empathy: Both support Read’s pursuit of financial restitution, emphasizing its necessity after her acquittal and personal losses.

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren: “I think it's amazing that she's suing them. That's exactly what she should be doing.” (42:10)
• Chandler: “Things need to be exposed in this police department. There needs to be a shake up.” (44:47)

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5. Ethan Slater & Ariana Grande Break Up

Timestamps: 45:08–49:56

Key Discussion Points

• Breakup Fallout:
  • Lauren: “All our collective belief in love is shattered. He destroyed a family for a dalliance.” (45:31)
• Ariana’s New Song: They express disgust at Ariana’s new song about the breakup, calling it “flippant” and lacking any sign of remorse or reference to Ethan’s ex-wife.
• Ethics & Empathy: Lauren hopes the consequences haunt both, and that future partners take note of Ethan’s behavior.

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren: “It is just so pathetic…he literally peaced out on his wife, the mother of his newborn child, for this little dalliance.” (45:31)
• Chandler: “She might be the worst person.” (47:28)
• Lauren: “It would have done so much if there was just a lyric like, I have regrets.” (49:36)

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6. Wedding Photo Etiquette in the Influencer Age

Timestamps: 49:56–53:34

Key Discussion Points

• Q: Should you include the bride/groom in a destination wedding photo dump?
  • Mixed opinions; Chandler feels it’s best practice, Lauren says at minimum mention them in the caption.
  • Both agree modern etiquette is “dumb, but real”—and ever-evolving due to digital culture.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler: "I would feel a little awkward if I just completely made the carousel about the great shot I got of myself and no mention to the bride and groom.” (51:10)
• Lauren: “We didn't learn anything about Instagram at cotillion, so we have to learn these lessons as an adult.” (53:04)

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7. Bravo’s Summer House Reunion Pt. 2

Timestamps: 56:36–69:49

Key Discussion Points

• Amanda & West Relationship: The sisters deeply critique West’s lack of reassurance and “shell” demeanor; Chandler calls it “a vow of silence.” Amanda seems insecure, and the relationship lacks substance.
• Betrayal and Loyalty: They agree Amanda's main betrayal is towards her friend, not her ex, and question her true investment in West. Lauren: “This is not a soul connection…just two people who are shallow” (60:50).
• Kyle & Amanda’s Marriage: Debate whether “needs not being met for four years” means no sex or emotional distance, and speculate that public appearances masked a dead relationship.
• West’s True Motive: West allegedly said he needed to be in a Bravo relationship for job security, casting doubt over Amanda/West’s authenticity.
• Predictions: Believe the saga will erupt in Pt. 3, with more of West’s duplicity revealed on camera.

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren: “You just literally read it all over their faces, how they interact with each other and in the statement.” (67:19)
• Chandler: “They blew up so much for literally nothing.” (62:48)
• Chandler: “At the very end…Sierra FaceTimes Miha…the girl that West was allegedly seeing the whole time…he thinks he will get fired from the show if he's not in a relationship with someone from the Bravo universe. Which to me is like, that's everything.” (63:35)

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Honorable Mentions & One-Liners

• On photo etiquette: “Thank goodness the photo credit requirement is gone. Wow, was that overkill.” (53:16)
• Chandler on Dua Lipa: “You know what? I'm jealous and I'm struggling to find something positive to say other than that I'm jealous.” (30:57)
• Regarding Taylor’s team: “Tree Pain’s mastermind is on full display.” (21:31)

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Final Thoughts

• Wedding watch for Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce continues with the sisters on “high alert” (20:09). They expect more misdirection and are eager for the next pop culture bombshell.
• They preview upcoming Bravo and Housewives content for premium subscribers.

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For More: Listen to Pop Apologists, Episode 361. The sisters deliver their signature blend of humor, hot takes, and relatable banter—essential for staying current on all things celebrity.

Transcript

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Chandler]

Well, well, well. Ciao, ciao Bongiorno. I'm terrible at Italian accent. Give me your best like pangiamma or what do they say? Like pangiamma. They say what's like good day. Like what do they say in Italy?

[Lauren]

You know, I don't know, go day in Italian, which is really embarrassing.

[Chandler]

What do you say when you walk into a store and you don't want to immediately give away the fact that you're American?

[Lauren]

I actually, I don't think that I have ever tried to pass like pass off as Italian.

[Chandler]

Oh, I for sure do like the first 60 seconds where I don't have to fully speak. I'm like, I'm trying to utter as little sound as possible so that I could just like pass.

[Lauren]

So they might just be like, oh,

[Chandler]

this classic European girl. Like yes, yes. That's like my dream is like what they would assume and I'm like. And then I have to kind of like spoil it. But that they think that I'm just like, I'm just a normal European girl.

[Lauren]

I feel so Embarrassed right now. But I actually. I don't even know what I would say in Italian to try to tell the people that I'm American. Like, I don't even know what monsieur is in Italian.

[Chandler]

I don't either. Garcon. No, you said garcon a few too many times during our trip. No, my. Actually, the dream scenario, which happened to me a couple of times, I walk in, they greet me in Italian, and I just sort of nod in their direction.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So I don't say anything back. And then I look around, probably don't buy anything, knowing me. And then I go, ciao, ciao. And then I've literally, like, I've fooled everybody. I'm Italian.

[Lauren]

They're like, she's not a tourist here in Kathryn. She is a local.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Ad Voice]

You know, she.

[Chandler]

Don't you think? Wasn't that convincing.

[Lauren]

I. You don't ever look remotely Italian. You look.

[Chandler]

I definitely don't look American. Okay, now you're just trying to hurt me.

[Lauren]

You don't look European whatsoever. Do you think I look European?

[Chandler]

I would look more European than you do.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, listeners weigh in. Who looks more.

[Chandler]

I don't actually know what you're looking European means. I just feel like. It's like, like I'm probably. Here's what. Hair's wise.

[Lauren]

There's an energy.

[Chandler]

I'm more likely to have my nipples out, which makes me feel like I look.

[Lauren]

Do you have them out today?

[Chandler]

No, I have covers on. Okay. If you must know, we're back in the studio.

[Lauren]

We are so thrilled to be back,

[Chandler]

back on U.S. soil.

[Lauren]

Hope you all liked the deep dives. Yes, the ask, not deep dives. We are going to bring to you parts three and four, but it's going to be the end of the month, so get ready for those. We're excited to, you know, to dive back into Maureen. But as Chandler alluded to, we were in Italy for Courtney's launch. Obviously, if you're a global elite, we recorded a little bit from. From Sicily. So you got, you know, you saw from the. The villa. And then we went to Capria. Sisters. I'm. I'm Capri. Well, here's the thing.

[Chandler]

I now say Capri.

[Lauren]

Capri is also incorrect. The correct pronunciation is Capri. So it's Capri. This is what I've learned. However, it sounds extremely pretentious.

[Chandler]

I was at a full day long function with friends and I only said Capri.

[Lauren]

I said Capri for like a full year. Anyway, I'm now committed to the incorrect American pronunciation, which Is Capri. No. Which is Capri. That's how people say it, incorrectly. But it's the. And Capri we're all used to.

[Chandler]

I mean, I feel like Capri is fine.

[Lauren]

You think Capri is fine?

[Chandler]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Becca Tobin]

I'm.

[Chandler]

I'm. I'm so. Well, either way, I.

[Lauren]

The chow Chow is very cute.

[Chandler]

Isn't it cute?

[Lauren]

It is. I'm committed to St. Capri, though, because I just. I don't need any more notch, like, pretentious notches on my belt.

[Chandler]

Yeah. You know, fair enough.

[Lauren]

So.

[Chandler]

But yes, everyone, we are back from our vacation. I feel like there's, like, a lot that's happened, you know, in the pop culture zeitgeist.

[Lauren]

Yes. There's so much that's gone on in our time away that we must, you know, we must opine about.

[Chandler]

Things have gone to hell in a handbasket while we were out. Okay. And when I.

[Lauren]

When.

[Chandler]

What I mean by this is that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce planned to marry at New York City's iconic Madison Square Garden.

[Lauren]

Well, we received this news, okay, during her sojourn abroad. And it was a beautiful Italian day. You know, the sun was shining, the light on the water glistening sparkly just like diamonds. And then all of a sudden, a grenade on our vacation. Okay.

[Chandler]

A blight.

[Lauren]

I would have preferred it rained for five days straight than getting this news.

[Chandler]

And this news is, like, sticking around. It has not been dispelled. I mean, I. I have a page worth of thoughts on this, but.

[Lauren]

You do? Yeah.

[Chandler]

Okay, let me share more.

[Lauren]

Yeah, please.

[Chandler]

Okay, so this is coming from Page Six. Okay. This is not from the National Enquirer. Multiple sources tell Page Six that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's wedding will take place at Madison Square Garden, home of the Knicks, rang numerous concerts. Apparently everyone's been sworn to secrecy, but we all know about where the venue is and, you know, the other. Planning to tie the knot at MSG over July 3rd. Over the 4th of July weekend.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So I. I think that we are. Either we're a week out, maybe even days out, or we're a month out of this wedding.

[Chandler]

More on that later.

[Lauren]

It's hard to imagine it's not leaked by now. Right, Right.

[Chandler]

But we. But we've heard multiple dates, like, there's a few dates that are floating around as, like, the confirmed dates, you know, my friend had her. Was supposed to have her wedding on, you know, 13, 13, 2013.

[Lauren]

That is what had kept me so much on the Rhode Island Theory is the number of DMs that are like, my cousin knows the couple, which.

[Chandler]

Okay, I will get to my thoughts on that if that's true. This bride and groom just did not give a fuck about their NDA that I'm sure they signed. You know, they came with their like. Because many of the DMs have said that the wedding was completely paid for and then there was like an extra cash bonus to move the date. Anyway. Yeah, that's kept us very much so in the Rhode island theory world. But now all of a sudden, we're getting this new report about Madison Square Garden. And apparently, according to sources, the potential plan would involve guests being transported to the venue on blacked out buses, taking advantage of Madison Square Garden's multiple entrances and highly secure infrastructure. While it seems like an odd choice for a ceremony, a source told Page Six, if you have billions, you can transform the space into a wedding venue. I'm sorry there's not enough money in the world, but I guess too, apparently this is the venue that would have the most security and privacy.

[Lauren]

Well, I mean, please, do you want to finish the synopsis or is that basically all we have?

[Chandler]

I mean, I'll share a little bit more.

[Lauren]

Please do.

[Chandler]

She's performed at Madison Square Garden eight times. Okay. You know, for the Fearless tour, twice for speak now and four times at Z100's jingle ball, which is probably why she's doing it there, because those are just like such fond memories. Okay.

[Lauren]

I now realize why you stopped. The details stopped being interesting. So thank you. I think we can move on to our commentary, which we have much of.

[Chandler]

So I'm just gonna go ahead and say that this news is truly so much to take in. It's too much for one person to bear, especially people like us, post vacation, you know, just in a jet lag haze.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

And to me, it's like, it's. It's such a tall tale. It's basically the Paul Bunyan of celebrity gossip.

[Lauren]

What do you mean, the Paul Bunyan?

[Chandler]

Oh, you don't remember, like tall tales from elementary school?

[Lauren]

No.

[Chandler]

Like the idea of a tall tale?

[Lauren]

No. I mean, I've heard the phrase, but I don't, I don't remember Paul Bunyan.

[Chandler]

Paul Bunyan's like one of the tall tales. Like, it's like a totally fictitious, you know, crazy story.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Anyway, that's, that's all I remember. He never existed, so it doesn't really matter. But anyway, let's move on. This was the expression, is a tall tale. And this, to me, feels like a very tall tale that's been planted.

[Lauren]

I. I did think that. Oh, but so I did think that. And I was thinking, okay, it's, you know, it's Rhode Island. It's Saturday, June 13, June or July 3, Rhode Island. What's that?

[Chandler]

Or it could be July 3, Rhode

[Lauren]

island, or July 3, Rhode Island. Sure. But I. I know I was on the Rhode island theory. Long story short, I think that at this point, with the number of celebrities that are attending, the number of guests that they're having, it's at least 500. I think the problem with that is we would just have more confirmation by now. Like, there would just be more sources that are like, Zoe Kravitz, you know, X, Y, or Z is like, we would just know more about Rhode island at this critical juncture on the Tuesday before the Saturday if this was happening at that time.

[Chandler]

Well, we know. Well, we don't know this for sure, but we've heard reports that people are being told to be in the New York area.

[Lauren]

Yes. On July 3rd, which is close to

[Chandler]

the Rhode island area.

[Lauren]

How close, though?

[Chandler]

Like, driving distance, like, how certainly flying. This is. I mean, Rhode Island's maybe a five, six hour drive.

[Lauren]

That's.

[Chandler]

I'm not saying she's gonna. She might not be busing people there, which might be like, PJ ing people there. I don't know. I'm just. I. Okay.

[Lauren]

She's. I guess 500 people.

[Chandler]

Continue with your whacked out theory that you think MSG is real. Please walk the plank.

[Lauren]

Okay, here is my theory on msg, and I'm horrified to tell everyone that I think is correct.

[Chandler]

I hate this, but I think she

[Lauren]

does want to have. I think that. Here's the thing with her and Travis. They went into wedding planning, and they were coming from a place of. Yes. Okay. She'd read Bethany Frankel's book, and when it came to the invite list, she was coming from a place of. Yes. She didn't want to have to start making all these decisions about who to cut. And I think that for a normal person, sure, that would get them to 500. Okay. For a normal couple, 250 from each side.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

This is Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. They have a lot of contacts. Okay. Candidly, they've done a lot of networking. They have a lot of professional friends. Yeah. And anyway, I can see there being a world where they're looking at the list. They're like, this is a thousand people. To really not hurt any feelings, to not have Any conflicts. So, okay. I can 100% see it being a 1000 person event now. I suddenly. If you're invited to a Taylor Swift wedding, and this was a 1000 person invite list versus a 500 person invite list, which is like kind of still within the realm of a normal wedding. I'm sorry, the cachet, the flex of being invited has just been knocked down several pegs.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Cause it's your.

[Chandler]

It's essentially a festival.

[Lauren]

You're basically like a spectator. Like, you might glimpse her shadow.

[Chandler]

No. Lauren.

[Lauren]

From afar.

[Chandler]

You're literally attending the Taylor Swift wedding experience.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

Like, and so this is. So you're saying the guest list number is driving the guest list number.

[Lauren]

The reality is tracking to me. And then additionally, I think that if they were. They're going to have so many people. They can't have it in some obscure location. They can't have it on some island somewhere. Like, it's just, it's too, it's too.

[Chandler]

There's ferry boats.

[Lauren]

It's just. I think it's too hard with that many people. Okay. Just the sheer infrastructure needed. So then I think that it does make sense to say, okay, let's just have everyone in New York City because it's the easiest place, it's the easiest hub to tell people, just be, just be in New York. And the reason why I think it is at Madison Square Garden is because there is no way that there can be any helicopters above Madison Square Garden. And I think what they're trying to do obviously is not have the ability for it to be ruined by a bunch of helicopters like you.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

At your wedding, you guys were very concerned about the possibility of.

[Chandler]

Well, because everyone. Thank you for asking. When we were looking at our venue one time, we went to our venue after already signing on it to just go kind of like feel it out. Just Ben and I. Not like a sanctioned visit with the staff. And every 90 seconds there was a plane like descending into the New York area to land at jfk.

[Lauren]

You were in the flight path.

[Chandler]

Yeah, but thankfully I think that was just the flight paths like change day to day. But yes, aerial noise is very real.

[Lauren]

That was not an issue at your wedding. And it was beautiful. But being, being, being stressed about that is very real. And to have it just be like, do you have it surrounded by just people with long lens cameras on helicopters would be so horrible to. I can understand just being like, this has to be a very controlled experience, sadly. And I just, I actually don't come at it from the place of Like, I'm losing my testimony of Taylor because of this decision. I come at it from a place of empathy and realizing her life has just gotten to this level.

[Chandler]

But in my opinion, this level of insanity, in my opinion, she is asking for it. If she's literally inviting a thousand people to her wedding, I just think that's. That's fucking stupid.

[Lauren]

But she's a pathological people pleaser.

[Chandler]

I just think, okay, then invite 500 people. Like, I think you're still people pleasing. If you're inviting 500 people and a thousand is crazy. May I state my case, please? Can. Can you rest? Can you rest your case? Say you're. The state rests or whatever.

[Lauren]

I am trying to think about any other evidence. Well, the one thing I don't think tracks for me is why do they need to bus people in? This is called New York City. Why can't everyone just get their own transportation? It's the easiest place to just get dropped off.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's gonna be a zoo. It'll be a zoo no matter what.

[Lauren]

I don't know why they need blacked out buses. Unless they don't even want people to know who's in attendance. Like, unless she's. Her POV is I don't want anyone to know who's coming, which also doesn't.

[Chandler]

But then why would you invite that many people?

[Lauren]

Because she wouldn't have her relationship be so public. He wouldn't be talking about her on the podcast every week. Yeah, and they wouldn't have so many. Like, they wouldn't be such a public couple if that was. That doesn't track. That's the only chink in this armor.

[Chandler]

I just. I do not think you would invite that many people if you wanted your wedding to be that private, period. Full stop.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

I mean, remember with Selena Gomez's wedding, I think that was, like, pretty big.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And, like, the pictures were out that day, you know, like, it just. She leaned into the fact that she was a public figure.

[Lauren]

Right, right.

[Chandler]

Okay, so let me go ahead and build out or, you know, state my case if you're done.

[Lauren]

I rest my case.

[Chandler]

Okay, thank you. I'm addressing the jury here. First of all, zero natural light.

[Lauren]

Well, yeah, obviously it's horrific and.

[Chandler]

Sorry, Mom, I'm going to be cussing a lot during this segment. Absolutely. The fuck? No. This woman is not getting married under the garish lights of a stadium of, like, an indoor, like, venue. I'm sorry, it's just not happening. Also, wouldn't this Venue wouldn't like being an msg, sort of trigger her. Like, it's suddenly like, okay, time to put on your Louboutin boots and run around the stage for three hours. Get all the toe spacers.

[Lauren]

No, I, I said this in the group chat. I said this would feel like the least stress, like stress free environment for her. I would feel like going to work.

[Chandler]

And you know what else I think about a lot?

[Lauren]

What?

[Chandler]

Bethenny Frankel's wedding inside the hotel room, the ballroom. And I just like, it was, it was dim.

[Lauren]

Mm.

[Chandler]

I think that, like, the pictures are lovely, but I just don't. I think that most people want to have their ceremony in natural light. Yeah. Like, she could even have like, isn't there a greenhouse or something? I just, I. MSG is not the best we can do.

[Lauren]

Yeah. There's nothing that helps me more in the middle of the night when I cannot sleep than a half or full early bird. You just know sometimes that middle of the night anxiety, it wakes you up all of a sudden. You bring future fears into the current 2am moment. And if you want to put your brain back to sleep, I highly recommend having a bottle of early bird gummies within reach.

[Chandler]

Absolutely. I also love them for like a little Friday night moment.

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

The concessions, like, the bathrooms. You're gonna be a guest at Taylor Swift's wedding and you're using like the bathrooms for the masses at msg? Absolutely. The fuck?

[Lauren]

No, I don't think that the masses would be using those restrooms. I think what they will use it for is essentially a big. A big rectangle. And then you go, you get in

[Chandler]

like a tent and then the entire

[Lauren]

thing is transformed like that. You probably don't even see the inside of the stadium.

[Chandler]

But what is the lighting situation? That's like. What worries me the most is, is just like that. Just I'm claustrophobic and I feel like the air is stale just thinking about it. Like, this is the. This is the biggest day of her life.

[Lauren]

I didn't know that we were going that with our cases, we were going to present, like, the, the reasons why this venue sucks. Because I could easily do that. Like, I think this is horrible.

[Chandler]

I just think we trust. I don't trust her taste a lot, but I trust her taste more than this.

[Lauren]

Okay, so this is why you think it's unlikely. Just the obvious negatives.

[Chandler]

This is just. People need to wake up. It's not happening.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, is it? What other place could you get married with a thousand people in New York City?

[Chandler]

I don't know. Maybe she could do a huge. She do a massive tent somewhere. Like, you could tent. You can tent a lot of things. I don't actually know a lot about this, but you can tent a lot of things, I believe. And you can bus people in places. Like there are royal weddings.

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[Lauren]

Everyone just don't rest until this wedding's over.

[Chandler]

You cannot rest until the wedding's over.

[Lauren]

I'm not really sure what that means. I don't know what being on high alert means. Maybe just a constant sense of vigilance.

[Chandler]

Okay. Let's just say in the world that it is at msg.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Are we gonna go stand outside? I mean, that's an easy train ride for both of us.

[Lauren]

I. I want to say no publicly, but we probably. We're gonna be there.

[Chandler]

I mean, we're gonna rent a helicopter.

[Lauren]

We're. No, we're not gonna rent a helicopter, but we probably will go stand outside. Probably go have a beverage and stand outside.

[Chandler]

Don't you think? I think we would have to.

[Lauren]

We would have to.

[Chandler]

I mean, it's like, I feel like she would want us there.

[Lauren]

We're basically invited. Yeah, we could just go to Penn Station. We'll be like, literally, literally under the ground that they're all dancing.

[Chandler]

We could, like, hold hands and sing.

[Lauren]

Wow. Okay. Okay. Well, we've just revealed ourselves through the true freak freak shows that you are, you know, currently tuning into. I mean, should we move on?

[Chandler]

The last thing I'll say about this, all of these little stories, you know, guests are told to be in this area this time. It could be a total plan. I think this is just a bunch of little tiny stories. I mean, I think this is just tree pain planting a bunch of little stories to keep everyone guessing. I mean, she's been literally training for this her entire life. Tree Pain? Yeah, for this moment. So I think we could still get quite a surprise come any of the dates I'd listed.

[Lauren]

I pray, I pray at the end of this, we are just seeing Tree pain's like her mastermind is on full display.

[Chandler]

I agree.

[Lauren]

Cause guess what? We have also seen a stunning wedding from another celebrity couple. Okay, that just happened. Dua Lipa and Callum Turner. This was a masterclass in a tasteful, gorgeous, and tasteful, gorgeous nuptials. And my hope is that actually what we're delighted with are images from Taylor having a three day Italian celebration. Like Dua and Callum. And we're all like, tree really got us. Roll the tapes of Lauren embarrassing herself and saying why Madison Square Garden makes complete sense.

[Chandler]

Makes total sense. It actually is the only place that you could have her wedding at. Why don't we think of this sooner? No, I. I completely agree.

[Lauren]

Well, also, Madison Square Garden is not rented out for like six straight days during that time. You're kidding me. No.

[Chandler]

Well, I do not like that evidence.

[Lauren]

So will you. Will you lose your testimony of Taylor?

[Chandler]

I think I will feel really sad. It will make me Feel very sad for her in a way that like, I can't enjoy being a fan as much as I used to.

[Lauren]

Wow. Okay.

[Chandler]

Because I'm just like, this is such a spectacle.

[Lauren]

Don't you think it'll just make you have empathy for like what a circus her life has become?

[Chandler]

But it's like, how much does she, like, kind of, how much does she want to continue this circus? Like, I think your wedding, you're allowed to be. Exactly. I don't know, you're allowed to set the boundaries you want to set. Like that is the day where you don't have to be a pathological people pleaser.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like, I think about the song Peace.

[Lauren]

Can you hear helicopters inside? Like, could she, like, let's say she wanted to get married at Longley. Okay. Because the Longley could host a thousand people. Like, if you're inside the halls of Longley, can you hear helicopters?

[Chandler]

I don't think so.

[Lauren]

Like, above the music.

[Chandler]

Above the music. Yeah, I don't think so.

[Lauren]

So that would make more sense to me that she would get married in an environment like that.

[Chandler]

She could like hire private helicopter security to like fight off the helicopters in the sky.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, that was, that was like maybe a suggestion. Our 11 year olds.

[Chandler]

Is there literally nothing you can do about sky security?

[Lauren]

I looked this up. There's nothing you can do.

[Chandler]

There's literally nothing you can do. She could get married at Disneyland because Disneyland is like restricted airspace. Did you know that?

[Lauren]

I didn't know that.

[Chandler]

I think maybe that's an urban legend, but I think I remember hearing that

[Lauren]

that would make me lose my testimony.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Anyway, I just think like, like there

[Lauren]

are, there are certainly grand and stunning grand places that you can have a wedding of a thousand people.

[Chandler]

Yes. And Long island, by the way, for

[Lauren]

anyone who is not aware, which most of you probably are not, is on Ladies of London. There's a Martianess. Her name is Emma Thorne, not sure her last name. Anyway, she is ravishing and she, she's a Martianess. So she lives like on this palatial estate. This is second largest home in the uk. Yeah. I believe it's called Longleat. And it's, it's just like, it's basically like the house Mr. Darcy lives in. Yeah.

[Chandler]

A huge manor. Let me also say this. Do we feel like the helicopters are like a huge issue at like royal weddings? Like we've had weddings with massive turnouts and like tons of fanfare and I don't, I don't remember helicopters like completely ruining the day. Like You're. You're.

[Lauren]

Honestly.

[Chandler]

Honestly, your theory is kind of weak because it's just, like, only about the helicopters. Like, yeah, I made a wacko suggestion about, like, fighting helicopters, but, like, that's true. Yours is only resting on helicopters.

[Lauren]

Mine is purely resting on the idea that helicopter noise could ruin an effect. So much so that you forego natural light.

[Chandler]

You're literally having it in, like. Like a nuclear war bunker.

[Lauren]

You're right.

[Chandler]

My theory is, like, Designated Survivor, completely whack.

[Lauren]

And you. You are absolutely even more correct that while Taylor and Travis are certainly people of esteem, there are. There are weddings that have captured more attention. Like Harry and Meghan.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Arguably all of the royal weddings. I think the way they should have gone about this instead is just, like, full Harry and Meghan vibes. Full Catherine and Williams.

[Chandler]

Everybody knows what's happening.

[Lauren]

Everyone knows. They're gonna do a drive. This is.

[Chandler]

This is when you can see that you can.

[Lauren]

L. Literally line up if you want. They're gonna wave. Like, it's gonna be a full procession. Like, they could have just made it.

[Chandler]

They're gonna drive down Cornelia Street.

[Lauren]

Well, I bet you Buckingham palace is probably also back to helicopters. It's probably protected airspace. So they could have.

[Chandler]

I don't know.

[Lauren]

No, no, look it up. But I'm sure it is. Honestly. Well, she could have just worked with government.

[Chandler]

She literally could have worked with the

[Lauren]

U.N. like, I'm not sure the U.N. has that power, but she could have worked to have protected airspace, got married under protected airspace. We have now gone on a huge tangent about.

[Chandler]

Oh, it's not even a tangent. We're just like. We're fully tinfoil hats. So, yes, to answer your question, Lauren, Buckingham palace is a designated prohibited area where all unauthorized aircrafts, including drones, are strictly forbidden from flying at any time.

[Lauren]

I truly believe that she could have gotten Charles and Camilla on board to host the wedding at Buckingham Palace. 100. 100%.

[Chandler]

I've got some more places for you.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

I was fucking right. So the Capitol is restricted airspace. Okay, so, like, the White House.

[Lauren]

What are you so right about?

[Chandler]

Disneyland.

[Lauren]

Oh, okay.

[Chandler]

Vatican City. Machu Picchu. Independence hall in Philadelphia. Fort Knox.

[Lauren]

Fort Knox.

[Chandler]

Taj Mahal.

[Lauren]

Fort Knox would honestly be better looking than Madison Square Garden.

[Chandler]

The Kremlin. She could get married to the Kremlin. Where?

[Lauren]

What's the Kremlin?

[Chandler]

In Moscow. Like, the Russian.

[Lauren]

She could easily work with the Pope and get the Vatican.

[Chandler]

I was like, the Pope is not in Russia. Yeah, like, there. She could marry the Taj Mahal. The Hiroshima Peace Memorial. These are all protected airspace places anyway.

[Lauren]

Yeah, like, we need to move on.

[Chandler]

We need to. No, I think we could go on. Yeah, we do need to proceed. I will now take a deep breath and exit this tinfoil hat part of my brain.

[Lauren]

Let's exit this psychosis.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I hope, I hope I'm not correct, everyone, while I rest in my case. I do not wish for my case.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, and if people have done more thinking about this that's more rooted in reality, please weigh in. We'd love to hear from you.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

All right.

[Lauren]

So let's move on though. Another celebrity couple. Another celebrity wedding. Dua Lipa and Callum Turner. They got married in London. Okay. They had a private civil marriage in London and then they staged a lavish multi day event in Palermo, Italy. According to Vanity Fair, the celebration reportedly cost 17 million and unfolded across historic villas, palaces and luxury hotels with an intensely curated VIP list. According to the outlet, the main ceremony was held at villa Valgunera, an 18th century estate described as Little Versailles. Guests gathered in the villa's gazebo where the couple exchanged vows while Elton John performed your song with piano accompaniment. And guests included Adele, Charli, xcx, Donatella Versace, Shakira, Joe Allen, Mark Ronson, and Olivia Dean.

[Chandler]

So gang's all there?

[Lauren]

Gang was all there. I mean, the fashion, she looked so good.

[Chandler]

The fashion was impeccable. I mean, I am very hot for them.

[Lauren]

I'm hot for them, too. I felt like her hat at the civil ceremony was incredibly chic. And then I just loved all the Bulgari she was rocking. She was rocking all this, like crazy high jewelry from Bulgari and this insane Bottega dress and feather clutch. Like a full feather Bottega look.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah. At the white dress at the wedding. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Not at the actual wedding, but I believe it was at one of the parties.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, she just looked so good.

[Chandler]

She really did.

[Lauren]

And when the bride's fashion slaps, it just does something for me.

[Chandler]

I know.

[Lauren]

You know?

[Chandler]

You still don't think he's cute?

[Lauren]

I never said he wasn't.

[Chandler]

I thought. You didn't think he was cute.

[Lauren]

No, I never said that.

[Chandler]

Yeah, it was literally.

[Lauren]

You dreamed that.

[Chandler]

I guess I did. No, they look great. I mean, I think that it's interesting because. So this was in Palermo.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Which we didn't go to, but that's like another island, right?

[Lauren]

Oh, I don't know.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I think it's like. It's a part of White Lotus anyway, but I guess they like, shut down three major parts of the city.

[Lauren]

I feel like when they got married or when they in White Lotus, it

[Chandler]

was in Sicily, they take the boat to Palermo for like a day or two. Okay. So I don't want to go back to Taylor Swift, but I will say this wedding being this past weekend, I think is a mark against Taylor Swift's wedding being this weekend.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Because I think it's like there could be some overlap in the guest list.

[Lauren]

No, that's. I just love that your really only commentary is how this actually provides some sort of clue about Taylor's wedding.

[Chandler]

It does. It absolutely does. No, I. I'm happy for them. Like, the meme that we posted, you know, whatever I asked God for, he triples and gives it dua lipa. So I struggle with my own feelings about her given that we were also born on the exact same day.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I have a complicated relationship with her and it's one mostly of one sided jealousy.

[Lauren]

Okay. Of her life, everything. Because she's your age.

[Chandler]

She's my exact same age. We were born on the exact same day.

[Lauren]

I mean, you know what would be even more depressing? If you were five years older than her and had a lot, you know,

[Chandler]

and, and I recently saw some video that was like, basically over the last, like 10 years, she's had a huge hit every year.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

But they're like, I don't know, she's just been like, quietly, very successful. Not quietly, but she's, you know, I don't know. You know what? I'm jealous. I'm jealous and I'm struggling to find something positive to say other than that I'm jealous and then I'm hot for them.

[Lauren]

Honestly, Chandler, I feel like there are a lot of people listening right now who can absolutely relate to this experience. Because not everyone sees beautiful people getting married in lavish locations and just feels joy in their hearts. You know, the green eye of envy, you know, it can afflict us at all. And so. You know what? Thank you for sharing your very human reaction to this wedding.

[Chandler]

I saw this wedding and I was like, it's time to brick your phone. Like, you're. You're getting triggered and it's time to brick.

[Lauren]

I mean, there's he with her. I'm sorry. He with his hand on her ass.

[Chandler]

I know.

[Lauren]

In that Bottega dress.

[Chandler]

I know.

[Lauren]

I don't know why I don't feel more envious. I just, I'm like full of just admiration. It's just.

[Chandler]

Yeah, no, I'm not there. Maybe I'LL get there one day. I need to, you know, some plant medicine will help me get there.

[Lauren]

Yeah, exactly. Just a few more ceremonies. Okay, let's talk about another celebrity couple.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton. Okay, Chan, Father's Day is sneaking up on us. And I don't know about you, but I'm stressing about what to get dad. He is an exacting man. He knows what he likes, and I just really want to impress him this Father's Day, and it's making me a little nervous also. I just feel like he already has everything he needs. He's truly a man who wants for nothing in this world. And so how am I going to get him something that he's going to delight in this Father's Day? I ask myself that.

[Chandler]

I mean, I'm in the exact same boat. Dad has very specific routines. You know, he likes to go to his workout class, he likes to go to his office, likes to go home. And he has his favorite pieces he's been wearing for years. And if we just get him, you know, same old, same old, it's probably just going to end up collecting dust in the back of his closet.

[Lauren]

No, fully this year, though. Macy's level up approach feels like it was made just for him. Instead of buying something completely random, here's what you do. You take the things he already loves and you upgrade them to a nicer, more luxurious version. It's thoughtful, it's personal, and it's elevated without trying too hard.

[Chandler]

I love this mindset so much. It's like we're saying to him, we see you and we just want to give you something a little bit nicer that you'll reach for every day.

[Lauren]

Right? For someone like dad, he lives in his button downs. He lives in his crew necks, his polos, his cashmere sweaters. Honestly, for him, the Alfani sweater, polo,

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[Lauren]

It has that same comfortable feel he likes, but the fabric and the fit are much more refined and polished. He will look so sharp in it.

[Chandler]

Yes, and those clubroom drawstring linen pants would be perfect for him. He would live in them all summer long. They look sharp enough for a casual Friday at the office, but comfortable enough for relaxing at home or, you know, out with mom on the weekends. The Tommy Hilfiger floral linen shirt also has just the right amount of personality. It's fun, but still kind of his style. And it's not too loud at all.

[Lauren]

I've also been eyeing some beautiful, relaxed Levi's 454 shorts. He has had the same rotation shorts for forever and these feel like an upgraded version he will actually wear all the time.

[Chandler]

Shoes are always a safe win too. Okay, the Cole Haan Grand Cross Court tennis sneakers are super clean and totally comfortable. Dad will, you know, he'll wear some shoes that are questionable and these will be a serious upgrade that he will totally appreciate.

[Lauren]

And for the backyard, I'd love to get him the Cuisinart deluxe stainless steel 14 piece grill set. It is chef's kiss for a man who likes to cook up a burger or a steak on a summer afternoon. Everything comes organized in one beautiful case with great quality tools. Dad, as you know, he loves hosting, he loves grilling when we all get together in the summer and this will make him feel like a total pro without changing anything about how he likes to do things.

[Chandler]

Okay, I'm also considering going for one of the fragrances I might need mom to help weigh in here, but I'm thinking maybe the Dior Sauvage or the Roboni one Million Elixir gift set. These are just super easy, luxurious little upgrades and it would just be a fresh version of something he already loves that he will use every single day.

[Lauren]

Okay, this is such a smart way to shop for him. We are not trying to change who he is at all. We're just giving him nicer, more elevated versions of the things he already enjoys. It feels much more personal and luxurious.

[Chandler]

So true. Everything at Macy's feels like real quality. You can actually picture him wearing or using these pieces instead of just politely saying thank you and then never touching them again.

[Lauren]

I already have a couple of things saved in my cart and I feel much more confident about this Father's Day than I have in so many same.

[Chandler]

It's rare to find gifts that feel both thoughtful and genuinely practical for a dad like ours.

[Lauren]

So if you were sitting there stuck on what to get the dad who claims he has everything, this level up idea from Macy's is honestly the answer.

[Chandler]

Go check out their Father's Day gift guide. There are so many great options for every kind of dad.

[Lauren]

Head over to macy's.com giftguide right now. You will feel really good about what you end up picking.

[Chandler]

You absolutely will. Let us make this the year dad actually gets excited when he opens his gifts.

[Lauren]

He deserves it.

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[Lauren]

So Lewis Hamilton drove. Is that what you would say in the Monaco Grand Prix? Okay, yeah. Not sure if you'd say competed. Probably both. Yeah. Anyway, he's a race car driver.

[Chandler]

Yes, he is a race car driver. Well done.

[Lauren]

And he, he drove in the Monaco Monaco Grand Prix.

[Chandler]

You could always.

[Lauren]

I'm a little out of my depth when it comes to Lewis Hamilton.

[Chandler]

You could also say he was on the track.

[Lauren]

Who was on.

[Chandler]

That's kind of like a broad.

[Lauren]

Oh, really?

[Chandler]

Well, no, no, no. Like, that preposition just works. That's not like an expression. But it's like, okay, if he was a driver, he would be on the track.

[Lauren]

You know, Lewis was on the track at Monaco Grand Prix, everyone over the weekend. And Kim K. Was, she was right there watching. Okay, all cameras on her, all eyes on her. He, when he claimed his second place trophy, he blew her a kiss. Chloe was there. She was in the polka dot benoir.

[Chandler]

I am not. No, I did not notice her watch.

[Lauren]

Okay. Anyway, I thought it was so pretty.

[Chandler]

I am still having trouble buying them as a relationship.

[Lauren]

See, I, I am with you on that a little bit. And we received a lot of DMs that are like, don't buy this. But don't you feel like she doesn't need this kind of PR relationship?

[Chandler]

No, I think this is exactly what she needs. It, like, keeps her relevant. It makes her like, yeah, no, I think this is great for her image to be in a relationship with this guy. I just don't buy that they are. That it's real.

[Lauren]

I just, I guess I feel like if you were at her level of success, you wouldn't play those games anymore.

[Chandler]

Look, I want to see a picture of them grinding or dancing at like a music festival and then I'll believe it. I want to see a Tom Brady, Alex Earle, like, level video of them really being, like, into each other.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

All we get are these very PR y moments.

[Lauren]

Well, there was the. The. The photo of her leaving Estelle Manor and him as well, but separately. Like, it's hard for me to imagine that they would. They would say, okay, let's both fly to England, and we're gonna just leave these entrances separately.

[Chandler]

How do you know?

[Lauren]

I don't think she would do this. I really think she's a billionaire. I think she's at the level where this is just not worth her time. I think this is real. I also don't. Here's what I also don't foresee. I don't think Khloe Kardashian is going to be like, I got the new polka dot benoir, and I'm going to wear it out. Promoting your peer relationship.

[Chandler]

I mean, I think these races are very fun to attend.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

And a little bit, you know, about the Monaco Grand Prix. It's actually one of the, like, I think, most fun to watch because it's. It's one of the hardest, if not the hardest, because it's super. There's, like, a lot of turns, so it's very curvy.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Versus, like, a big track.

[Lauren]

So there would be something in it for Chloe.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, I would love to go to the Monte Carlo.

[Lauren]

Fake relationship with a Monaco Grand Prix.

[Chandler]

Oh. I'd be on the next flight. I mean, especially a racer. Yes.

[Lauren]

You would be on the driver. You would be on the next flight. Yeah.

[Chandler]

I think this is, like a. This. This is a blast to go to. It's in Monaco in the summer, and

[Lauren]

this fantasy would be on a jet.

[Chandler]

Yes. And it's like. I mean, I also find him to be very dashing. I don't think this is a bad person to be in a PR Relationship with either.

[Lauren]

This is another reason why I think it's real, is I feel like he is her type. He's very handsome.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

He, you know, is obviously very successful. I think this is, like, a fun career. I don't know. This tracks for me, I think.

[Chandler]

Well, I mean, either way, I wish them love and light. Okay. What else?

[Lauren]

Another woman. We are wishing a lot of love and light to Karen Reid.

[Chandler]

Oh, my God.

[Lauren]

We must discuss.

[Chandler]

We must discuss.

[Lauren]

So she is suing the Massachusetts State Police. Everyone. She's filed a lawsuit claiming her case was rife with misconduct and negligence. She is going to expose a culture of bigotry, misogyny, systemic failures, and institutional rot at the very core of both organizations. According to her attorney, the lawsuit is going after damages. This is basically the only thing you can do in a civil lawsuit is go after money. Also, they are releasing more evidence that they couldn't release at the initial trial because I guess it wasn't super germane.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Like she could relate to the John o' Keefe case.

[Lauren]

Exactly. Just showing kind of the. How toxic the culture was.

[Chandler]

Right. Because if you remember, Trooper Proctor.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Who was the investigator on the case, was telling his like high school buddy group chat or like his group chat of buddies all about the case. And so he was just violating a lot of rules and he was saying awful things. I mean, within hours of this case starting, you know, this person has died. He's already calling Karen Reid awful, atrocious names. Like it was just. This case was handled by people with terrible judgment and character from the get go.

[Lauren]

Well, also the idea that there were just all these random butt dials at 2 in the morning, it obviously was a cover up.

[Chandler]

The case itself, like in terms of the, of the evidence, a lot of it doesn't make sense and, and yet leads to reasonable doubt, which is why she was, you know, acquitted. But then I think even a layer deeper, you know, than the butt dials, like the way the police handled the investigation. You know, the police are supposed to handle the investigation with the utmost care so that like the prosecutor has like all of the evidence, you know, really buttoned up for the case. But they just did a terrible job and they, you know, they, it's like

[Lauren]

incompetence in the best case scenario and then the worst case scenario, it's like intentional frame.

[Chandler]

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, anyway, I could talk about that for also hours and hours. I mean, I know like one little thing. Like they collected evidence in red solo cups.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

You know, and like shopping bags. Like there was just, it was so, yeah, like at best, sloppy.

[Lauren]

At best it's sloppy. I think that, I think that it is amazing that she is doing them. That's exactly what she should be doing. I saw an interview. Did you see this? They interviewed her on like ABC News maybe. Anyway, the interviewer, it was just wild because he's like, is this, he basically is like, is this about money?

[Chandler]

Like, yeah, baby, it is about money. Yes.

[Lauren]

And then one of the interviewers, like, doesn't John get a little lost in this? And, and the, and the, another thing he says is, you know, you have obviously a lot of supporters, but there are obviously a lot of people who, when they see you walking down the street, they think there's that woman who got away with killing her boyfriend. How crazy is that?

[Chandler]

It's crazy.

[Lauren]

I mean, also, her reaction is like, perfect.

[Chandler]

Yeah. What'd she say?

[Lauren]

She's basically like, well, when I'm ever on the street, I've never met anyone who thinks that I did that. And her reactions are perfect. But I'm just like, I think we really. We've dove into what happened to John. Like, I think it's okay to talk about what happened to Karen.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, and also she is being sued by his family.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like, civilly. She also, like, bankrupted herself. Yes. To like put on her own defense. They're like, are.

[Lauren]

They're like, what are you up to now? Are you working?

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

He goes, you've lost your car, you've lost your job. Are you working? And she's like, I'm working on the case. I don't like, are you applying for jobs?

[Chandler]

They're like, literally like checking in. Like, you know, how's your hourly job?

[Lauren]

Looney Tune interview I'd ever seen anyway.

[Chandler]

Yeah. No, I mean, she's great in her interviews.

[Lauren]

Yeah. But I just feel like, it's so funny to me when people will be like, they just want money or money. It's like, well, yeah, that's how she can actually receive some form of justice.

[Chandler]

Restitution.

[Lauren]

Yes. She's millions of dollars in debt. She lost her career. She spent years on this case. She now has to try to like put a life together.

[Chandler]

I mean, it's completely turned her life upside down financially.

[Lauren]

Exactly.

[Chandler]

And she was acquitted. She's innocent.

[Lauren]

Right. I felt bad for her when she had to kind of. Her and her attorneys had to do this kind of song and dance that, you know, the state. That's how they provide justice is through dollars. But that it's, you know, mostly about exposing corruption in the police system. And that's kind of her what she is saying.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

It's like, can't you just say, yeah, I'm suing for money. This ruined, like, ruined my life also.

[Chandler]

This police department though, has had a lot of corruption. And there was a case even before this, like the case of Sandra Birchmore. And like, there are other cases that were mishandled.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

And this. Things need to be exposed in this police department. There needs to be like a shake up.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Okay, let's move on.

[Lauren]

Yeah, let's move on. And I do think that that is. She does care a lot about that, but she thinks it's okay to be like, yeah, I'm going For money here.

[Chandler]

Yes. Also, like, they were trying to frame her. Yeah, she was trying to be like, it's. They were trying to frame her.

[Lauren]

Correct. Correct. Chandler.

[Chandler]

Well, Lauren, it's time to get out your chisel and hammer because we need to take down another couple from our Mount Rushmore of monogamy, Ethan Slater. And almost said Kelly Ripa.

[Lauren]

Ariana Grande.

[Chandler]

Ariana Grande.

[Lauren]

Slater.

[Chandler]

Ethan Slater and Ariana Grande are no more.

[Lauren]

The us.

[Chandler]

Moment of silence, everybody.

[Lauren]

I know. I think all of our collective belief in love is unfortunately shattered and in pieces on the ground right now. It is just so pathetic that these two destroyed a family. Okay. And, you know, he literally peaced out on his. On his wife, the mother of his newborn child for this just little dalliance it's turned out to be.

[Chandler]

I mean, at the risk of quoting Tucker Carlson, like, what's the point? What's the goal?

[Lauren]

I think a lot of people have used that phrase. I'm not sure that's. I'm not sure that's a Tucker Carlson quote.

[Chandler]

Wait, have you seen the SNL impersonator of Tucker Carlson? Oh, my gosh.

[Lauren]

I need to watch.

[Chandler]

You need to watch. Anyway, so he's like, that's the point. Or like, they were like, what's the point of this? This is the rule.

[Lauren]

There's a really funny Tucker Carlson impersonator on Instagram. I'm not sure if you've seen this, but it'll just be like, Tucker Carlson at the zoo. And then it'll be like, oh, that's very interesting.

[Chandler]

That's the rule now.

[Lauren]

And maybe they don't want you to believe I need to work on my Tiger Carlson impersonation. I'm afraid to bring up his name on this program, but he.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Anyway, his impersonators are hilarious. But back to Ethan and Ariana.

[Chandler]

What was the point of it all? What did this do? Was it all worth it? You know, I mean, I saw a funny meme that was like, lock up your man because she's out again. Right?

[Lauren]

100%. Like, watch your. Watch your boyfriends. Watch your husbands.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Hide your boyfriends. Hide your.

[Chandler]

Hide your kids. Hide your wife.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I. I posted this, and someone wrote in that she has a new song that's about the breakup. So I listened, and the song is basically like, I feel bad that I made you want me But I. But I barely tried. I feel bad that I made you. I made me your type But I barely tried.

[Chandler]

She might be the worst person.

[Lauren]

I know.

[Ad Voice]

I know.

[Lauren]

Like to have a history of Basically being a homewrecker and then to like, release a pretty brazen song, like.

[Chandler]

And to be so flippant about it.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I mean, everyone. If you haven't read the cut article by his wife, you know, does my divorce make you uncomfortable?

[Lauren]

But I just think Ariana did her the biggest favor because she exposed who he was and she's so young. She's gonna have a whole other life.

[Chandler]

She had a kid together.

[Lauren]

Of course.

[Chandler]

Of course. But it's like. Yeah, it's.

[Lauren]

She actually better to know that now than in 20 years. You know what it's better to be. What is her name? Lucy.

[Chandler]

Oh, I don't remember.

[Lauren]

I forgot. It's better to be her than Bell Burden.

[Chandler]

That is like, really gross that the song is about that he's a loser and she's a loser as far as I'm concerned.

[Lauren]

I couldn't agree more. And I think what's sad about it is she's kind of the one who. I mean, I know he took the marriage vow is obviously he's the primary, you know, ne' er do well in this situation. But I feel like. I feel like her history will matter almost nothing to most of the guys she goes on to date. You know, but when it comes to him, hopefully this will matter a lot to women in the future.

[Chandler]

Like, they'll recognize.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Like they'll be like, oh, this is a person who literally left his wife with a young child.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Anyway, I hope this. I hope these actions come back to haunt them both.

[Chandler]

I just. I think it says so much about her character. If that's the way she's like, if. If the song is really the way that she's like, revisiting this history. Well, and retelling this history.

[Lauren]

There is zero mention, discussion, like even brief cursory allusion to the ex wife. And I mean, how it started and I don't know, it's just. I think it's like so irrelevant to her.

[Chandler]

For example, Charlie XCX has a song about her and her ex.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Because they got together while he was still in a relationship for, like, xx.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And there's like a song, I think it's called Every Rule. Anyway. There's like several songs about how I. Like, there's moments, there's mentions of how, like, their beginning was not perfect.

[Lauren]

And I think that she could have had a mention of, like, I have regrets. She could have just said, I have regrets. I have regrets. That would have solved so much.

[Chandler]

Who wrote the song? Break up with your boyfriend? I'm bored or seven rings like I wanted. I got it. She could have definitely written the song. I have regrets. But she probably won't and she probably never will.

[Lauren]

I just, even as a lyric in the song, it would have done something.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay. So moving right along, everyone. I wanted to bring a question to, to you and to our audience. I thought was interesting. So Tinks posted this. So someone wrote into her and said, is it appropriate for someone to attend your destination wedding and not include a photo of your. Of you or yourself in the groom in their carousel? Essentially, yeah.

[Chandler]

And their photo dump of the wedding.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And I, I thought this was an interesting question. I'm curious if you have thoughts.

[Chandler]

I mean, I have actually been plagued by this question at times. I have wondered, oh, wait, do I need to include a photo? And then I've, I've worried, oh, wait, will they even like this photo? Like, I think the, it's less about like, oh, I don't want to include this photo and more about like, this is such a massive day for this person. I don't want to be a part of like a negative moment because they don't like this photo of themselves that I got from like a weird angle.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So I, I don't know. I was, I was curious and I was reading the comments. People were pretty. It's like mixed.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I tend to think you should include a photo of the, of the celebration of the bride. It doesn't need to be a close up of the bride and groom, but like something that's not just like a hot shot of you. Something that's a nod to like the people you were there for. Whether I don't take a picture of like the welcome sign.

[Lauren]

Okay. So it needs to be in the carousel. I kind of feel like that that's interesting.

[Chandler]

But I don't think it's the end of the world if you don't. And I think some people don't care. But I, I think I would feel a little awkward if I just completely like made the carousel about like the great shot I got of myself and no mention to the bride and groom. And I even sometimes feel awkward about that if you don't mention it in the caption. Like, I think the caption should maybe also do some of that heavy lifting.

[Lauren]

I feel like if you just say, I think you can 100% post and just say like, you know, we had so much fun celebrating X person. X person. What a beautiful celebration. I agree.

[Chandler]

That's plenty.

[Lauren]

I think that's plenty. I don't I never been to a wedding and then like, oh, I must include a photo of the bride of groom. I actually looked back on my Instagram, though, and I did notice I basically had almost all the whole time and

[Chandler]

had it included a photo I had.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

But it kind of feels right to do that.

[Lauren]

But I. I never thought it was a requirement to do so. I just didn't realize there are people who think that this is a requirement. Like, this is part of the etiquette.

[Chandler]

I. I think that it's like best practice practices too.

[Lauren]

I think it's like, include a photo not just in the caption.

[Chandler]

I think so.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

But I don't think it means that you're gonna offend people regardless, no matter what. It's like, it's so rude to not. I think also including them in the caption is. Is a. Is a huge thing.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

It feels so dumb.

[Lauren]

This feels so dumb.

[Chandler]

No, no. I just like the fact that we're even having to, like, dissect this, but I know it's very real.

[Lauren]

I mean, it's funny. It's. It's just part of modern day life. I agree.

[Chandler]

I agree.

[Lauren]

We kind of. We live, obviously in the physical world, but we also live in the digital world and we have digital behavior and whether we like it or not. I used to think like, oh, every trend, every. All these apps, they come and go. Like, I've been around the block. When I was in seventh grade, there was MySpace. MySpace is no more. I remember in college thinking, like, okay, well, instagram probably in 10 years will be over. Yeah. And I think it's here to stay. Yeah. So I do think you kind of. Kind of have to know, you know, we didn't learn anything about Instagram at cotillion, so we have to learn these lessons as an adult.

[Chandler]

It's true. It's absolutely true. Remember when photo credit was huge?

[Lauren]

Oh, my gosh.

[Chandler]

Like, that. That was kind of a thing.

[Lauren]

Thank goodness the photo credit requirement is gone.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Because, wow. Was that overkill?

[Chandler]

I mean, also, did you ever look at someone's like, their caption, they're like, photo credit to, you know, Elbi and be like, oh, my gosh, Shelby's an amazing photographer. Like, I need to follow Shelby. I didn't hire her. Yeah, no, it's like, it was so dumb.

[Lauren]

It was so stupid.

[Chandler]

I say this as someone who probably demanded a lot of photo credit in her day.

[Lauren]

Oh, sure.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Gosh, I'm glad. I'm glad we retired that one.

[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

Okay, let's move on. Summer House reunion part two, we have not discussed yet. It is Tuesday, so when you're listening to this, technically, the reunion, part three will be out, sadly. But we are only discussing part two because as we record everyone, it is not available to watch.

[Chandler]

No, it's. It's a matter of hours. But we will be talking about it on our Friday episode. Yes. Okay, let's begin. I would like you to tell me, like, I definitely feel like I led the psychosis last time.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I would like to start with where you feel like, the most interested. Like, what parts really stood out to you?

[Lauren]

Well, I. Okay. I think the part that stood out to me most was when they were in the dressing room together.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And you saw them interact as a couple. Okay. And he is basically a deer in the headlights. Caught. He's essentially caught for exactly who he is. Okay. And you see their interactions. And she says to him, she says. Amanda says, you know, they're making me feel stupid for trusting you. And he's just like. He just looks from side to side. He has nothing to say.

[Chandler]

It's less.

[Lauren]

There is no. He literally is. He's so. I don't know, he's just a shell.

[Chandler]

He provides absolutely zero reassurance throughout this entire episode. And I'm curious if we'll get a little bit more, like, I don't know, maybe a show of strength or unity from the two of them, like, more so in this next episode. But he is just. He completely lets her handle it. And he does say to her, you know, do you want me to, like, chime in more? And she says, no, I, like, I think that'll make them more upset or something, so I can just, like, handle it myself. But he really. I mean, it's like the energy we saw when he brings his chair over to, like, sit next to her, like, that was a thousand Times more protective and, like, I don't know, like, this is my girl energy versus what we're seeing from him on the reunion.

[Ad Voice]

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[Lauren]

I mean, he could absolutely be stepping in and defending her. He could. He could be saying, hey, I'm sorry.

[Chandler]

I.

[Lauren]

You know, I. I developed feelings for Amanda, and I know there's complications here, and I wish I could have helped it, but I. I absolutely love her.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And this was unexpected for both of us, and I'm deeply sorry for everyone that's just heard, especially you, Sierra. He could absolutely say that, but it's just like he. I don't know. He's got a. He's taken a vow of silence. No.

[Chandler]

He literally has, like, become a. Like a monk. Is it a monk that takes a vow of silence?

[Lauren]

None. No.

[Chandler]

I don't know. Anyway. Yeah, it's. It's honestly hard to watch.

[Lauren]

That's definitely. Don't take. They take vows of celibacy. I don't know who takes vows of celibacy.

[Chandler]

I think it's like a monk.

[Lauren]

Anyway.

[Chandler]

Anyway. I don't know why that term also feels like I can't say that term. I want to talk about another moment with Amanda where West also doesn't say anything.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So Amanda says, you know, I was caught up in feelings for a person who was seeing other people, and that was embarrassing. And I was, like, processing that. And Mia's like, yeah, that is embarrassing.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And he doesn't even say, like, there's nothing from him. That's like, you know, we were trying to figure it out. Like, I. He is literally completely silent while they were discussing the fact that he was seeing another person while also seeing Amanda and that he was open with Amanda about the fact that he was seeing multiple people.

[Lauren]

I just think his state of mind is less. Is more in terms of things he says, because the more he says, the more he's going to get caught in lies.

[Becca Tobin]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And he.

[Chandler]

I.

[Lauren]

He probably has just told so many different women, so many different things. So many things that he's just trying to say as little as possible.

[Chandler]

Exactly. So they also kind of ask her about the conversations that they had, because she was like, we were trying to figure it out. We were having conversations. And she. So when she's pressed on this, she says, you know, those conversations are private, and, you know, I'm not comfortable sharing all of them here. And I just think if she was more secure in their relationship, she would say, we had, you know, these moments where we were like, we're in this. Like, let's figure this out. Let's figure out a way to like, move through this, you know, this debris that we've created from like our relationship. But I just don't think she is secure at all in like, the two of them. And I don't think he's given her any type of real assurances of like, them, the two of them being in it together.

[Lauren]

No, this is not a soul connection to star crossed lovers who have what it takes to go the distance. I mean, I bet you Ethan and Ariana started in a more like, started in a way that was more like of a soul connection. That's just what my instinct tells me. This is just like two people who are shallow. Amanda is insecure and this just started as like, I don't think it started in any way that's substantial that she could even defend.

[Chandler]

I'll do you one better.

[Lauren]

What?

[Chandler]

You know, I think had a more rock solid foundation. Tom Sandoval and Raquel.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I completely agree.

[Chandler]

Tom Sandoval and Raquel look like the greatest love story of all time compared to Amanda and West.

[Lauren]

At one point, Tom Sandoval and Raquel thought they were actually going to like, be in a long term relationship.

[Chandler]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So Wes basically says nothing. And so then, you know, Amanda starts to kind of get, I think, worked up. She exits the stage, she leaves. And then it's just kind of this like really pitiful moment where Lindsay's like, go after your girl. Go after. Go take care of her. And he's like, oh, I didn't know if, like the questions were gonna come back to me. And you know, like, if I leave,

[Ad Voice]

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[Lauren]

And it takes Kyle being like, I think you should. I would go after to see if she's okay.

[Chandler]

Kyle, her ex husband?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I made Ben watch all of this with me because we're gonna watch part three tonight. And I was like, you need to be caught up. And I just said like, okay, if you and I, you know, imagine you and I are, you know, very in love. Like, we are and this is us. Like, we've been in this where we got into this relationship in a terrible way. I'm Amanda, you're Wes. Like, what are you? What should you be saying on this stage?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And he was like, I literally would say, we don't even need this show. Let's leave and go home and be together.

[Lauren]

Wow.

[Chandler]

And I was just like, I mean, it was a very. It was a sweet thing for him to say, but it's like, if you're really that into each other, and this is worth all of the carnage.

[Lauren]

They're not, though.

[Chandler]

I know. I know they're not. But it's. I think that's what's so hard for me to, like, deal with happening before my eyes, because it's like, they blew up so much for literally nothing.

[Lauren]

We are going to get Dumois rumors that he is hooking up with other girls in three months, and then in six months, after they've been broken up for three months, they will finally give a statement that they're broken up.

[Chandler]

Well. And I think a very telling thing that we see that we hear about, and I didn't catch this until my third watch. Okay. That's the psychosis level I'm in. So basically, at the very end. And we can go back to a few of the other big moments. Cause I want to get into, like, Kyle not being faithful. I think that's. That we should absolutely touch on that. But at the very end. Sierra, facetimes Miha, the girl that Wes was allegedly seeing when in a relationship with. Not a public relationship, but was in a relationship with, like, the whole time they were filming. Apparently every weekend that he was, like, gone. She was staying at his apartment. They, like, set up all his furniture. I don't know. That was, like, a big sticking point about why they were, like, actually in a relationship. And apparently he said to her he thinks he will get fired from the show if he's not in a relationship with someone from the Bravo universe.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Which to me is like, that's everything. He's only in this relationship with Amanda because it's like job security. It's like, I think this started off as, like, yeah, there's some feelings. And then they kind of have no choice but to stick with it because it's like, this secures, like, their. I don't know, their relevance in the Bravo universe.

[Lauren]

Well, I also was gonna say that's why he would never go with Ben's plan, because the show is worth much more to him and his position on the show than this relationship with Amanda.

[Chandler]

Exactly, Exactly. And. And I think this also goes into why Amanda and Kyle were together for so long. I mean, so it's revealed that needs weren't met for four years. Basically their entire relationship.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So I was think doing a lot of thinking about this, and I've come to several conclusions. First is, I don't think that means they didn't have sex their whole marriage.

[Chandler]

Oh, really?

[Lauren]

Yeah. I don't. I don't think That's.

[Chandler]

Do you.

[Lauren]

So you think they didn't have sex on their wife?

[Chandler]

Well, I just. I just think that I literally.

[Lauren]

You think they didn't have sex with her?

[Chandler]

I think that's Kyle saying that because he's trying to get as much, like, sympathy as possible for his indiscretion.

[Lauren]

I feel like you could literally say that if you. If you had sex once a year. I think that. I think if you had sex once a year, you could say, like, hey, these were met for, like, four years.

[Chandler]

I think he's literally talking about them having sex. I. As crazy as it sounds.

[Lauren]

No, there's just no way. There's no way.

[Chandler]

I. Okay, we can. We can. We can agree to disagree, but I think that he's talking about that. I don't think he's just talking about the fact that, like, Amanda didn't love me for very long. Amanda wasn't, like, emotionally, like, you know, on my side for four years.

[Lauren]

My. I guess my point is, like, it just would be. It would be so rare and bizarre if they literally. Maybe they had sex on their wedding night or the On. On their honeymoon, but then they never had sex again for four years. That, to me, is just, like, impossible to fathom.

[Chandler]

It is impossible to fathom. But I think the more that, like, stuff comes out and the more we see, the more I believe that their relationship was just like, we're on this show together. We are like, a TV couple to some degree.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And we are living two separate lives. We don't care that much about, like, fixing our relationship, but it makes for a good storyline when the cameras go up and maybe.

[Lauren]

Maybe they were happy for three or four months, and then it was, like, from there on, whenever the breakdown happened, there was nothing going on.

[Chandler]

Well, I think that. I think that Kyle had, like. I think Kyle stepped out. And, yeah. He says he doesn't sleep with anybody,

[Lauren]

which I don't believe.

[Chandler]

And also, I loved Bailey being like, yeah, making out is fully cheating.

[Lauren]

Totally.

[Chandler]

It's fully cheating.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I'm sorry. There's. No. There's really not a huge difference, in my opinion.

[Lauren]

There's not. And also, if you're Blackout drama, I don't think you have the wherewithal to be, like, you know what? I'm just gonna be, you know, like, a freshman at BYU and grind. Right. That's what I'm gonna, you know, keep this hookup to, like, no way.

[Chandler]

No. And I believe that Amanda realized that Kyle was really not faithful.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And that there's just, like, that just led to, like, something really dying in their relationship. I just don't any hope for them completely.

[Lauren]

And I. I personally do not believe, though, that this story really has honestly much to do with Kyle, which sounds kind of crazy, but I just. I think this entire story is about betraying her friend. Like.

[Chandler]

Oh, I agree. Her.

[Lauren]

The marriage breakdown, definitely. I think it sheds light on her state of mind, but she could have cheated with anyone else.

[Chandler]

I don't think that Amanda is truly, deeply in love with west, in my opinion, but I think they're like relationships of convenience. And I think west is like, it's betraying her best friend, but it's also very convenient with the show because, like, he's a part of this world. I think for him, it might be like, a huge part of, like, their relationship. The fact that, like, she's on the show.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

But, yeah, I think that, like, I think she is with him and just, like, treats her partnerships. I don't. She doesn't seem like a very soulful person.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

That's where I'm left. Like, I don't see her being in this relationship because, like, he's her soul person.

[Lauren]

Well, I think you even see that in the statement where it's like, we didn't expect to have these feelings. You know, it's not like we didn't expect to fall in love. Yes. And we feel terrible about the fact that we're in love with each other and like, with. You know, you can just. You. You can just literally read it all over their faces, how they interact with each other and in the statement.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay. Any other moments from episode or part two?

[Chandler]

I mean, I thought it was crazy when Dara kind of reads west his rights and she's like, this is how you treat women. You know, they're expendable to you.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And he's like, I agree.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I mean, I think their whole strategy is just like, roll over and play dead.

[Lauren]

Mm.

[Chandler]

Well.

[Lauren]

But okay, she could have just. She could have just apologized and said, I'm so deeply sorry, but she's so defensive that she, like, it's kind of digging her own grave a little bit. I think with the whole cast and with the audience, like, they're. I think they're trying to hang their hat on the timeline. And by saying that, like, oh, because we only hooked up after the statement went out, this is actually defensible.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I think she thinks that she's going to get some type of exonerate exoneration because, like, they were both single, but I think it doesn't matter. It could have been, like, a year from now.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And maybe it wouldn't have stung as much, but, like, it's still whack.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And not. Okay. I. So I just. She's, like, totally misunderstanding, like, where the severity lies.

[Lauren]

Right, Right. I think that part three of this will just be so riveting because you're gonna watch this woman on FaceTime say that she, you know, was with. She was with west at the time. And we all believe that Amanda and Wes were hooking up during the summer when they filmed. And so you're gonna see Amanda most likely get caught off guard by this girl being like, we. We were together. And Amanda, I think, is going to. Going to realize, like, you know, whatever illusion she's under, I think we are going to watch them get completely dispelled in front of her eyes during part three.

[Chandler]

No, absolutely. I mean, this girl says that every weekend she was at West Place that he was introducing her as his girlfriend. They were saying, I love you.

[Lauren]

They were saying, I love you. And I imagine that west and Amanda were hooking up and there was feelings there. And if she realizes they were having sex and he was telling another girl, I love you, and not. This is gonna be a shit show.

[Chandler]

Not even, like, the summer while they were filming. She says that, like, everything was great and normal the night before. Watch what happens live. Which was like. Like earlier this year, which was like. Yeah. Months. No, weeks before the statement when they full, fully were together.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Not even, like, room. Like, that was when confirmed that they were together when.

[Lauren]

When Sierra saw her on, you know.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

On My Friends at West Apartment. Anyway, we will be discussing part three, everyone, on our premium episode, and we thank you all for listening. Ring Pop Apostles.

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We will also be discussing Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

[Lauren]

Yes. We'll be talking Rhode island and whatever else unfolds in pop culture universe.

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