256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey

Summary

Podcast Summary: Pop Apologists – Episode 256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey

Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:00 - 01:13) The episode opens with playful banter between the hosts and their guest, Kate Casey. Chandler introduces Kate as an expert on Hollywood conspiracies, setting the stage for a deep dive into various high-profile mysteries.

Kim Kardashian’s Sex Tape Conspiracy (01:13 - 05:24) The conversation begins with the controversial topic of Kim Kardashian's sex tape. Chandler raises the possibility that Kris Jenner orchestrated its release, likening her to historical “momagers” in Hollywood.

• Kate Casey (02:00): “I don't think it's that far of a stretch of imagination all these years later, because if you go back in Hollywood, there were so many momagers...”
• Unnamed Co-Host (04:13): “Maybe that happened. Maybe she said, I will do it. So you have a choice.”

Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee’s Sex Tape (05:24 - 08:05) The discussion shifts to Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee, exploring the notion that the release of their tape might have been a strategic move, despite Pamela Anderson later claiming it was stolen.

• Kate Casey (06:12): “...from what Pamela has said, it was actually stolen from her, a complete violation, and haunted her for years.”

January Jones and Matthew Vaughn's Alleged Affair (08:05 - 18:08) The hosts delve into rumors surrounding January Jones and director Matthew Vaughn, speculating about the paternity of her child and the possible implications of an affair.

• Unnamed Co-Host (09:29): “...she was pretty stealth for many years, kind of hiding his face.”
• Kate Casey (11:00): “...children are expensive, especially in LA. And if you're a married person and you don't want that person to come and have conversations with your spouse or your other children...”

Tafari Campbell’s Mysterious Death near Obama’s Compound (19:29 - 35:28) The conversation takes a dark turn as the hosts discuss Tafari Campbell's death in Martha’s Vineyard. They examine the circumstances surrounding his paddleboarding accident and the conspiracy theories that emerged, including claims of a personal coroner and potential links to leaked information about President Obama.

• Unnamed Co-Host (21:00): “It was about Obama.”
• Kate Casey (31:09): “...when they did the autopsy, there was pineapple in her stomach.”

JonBenet Ramsey Case Theories (35:28 - 36:06) Kate Casey provides an in-depth analysis of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, highlighting inconsistencies such as the ransom note and the destruction of the crime scene.

• Kate Casey (31:03): “...but it's the most puzzling case because there is the DNA, but it's a very small amount of DNA.”
• Unnamed Co-Host (35:06): “...the ransom note was quite long and it referred to a group called SBTC and they wanted a ransom of $118,000...”

Princess Diana’s Predicted Death Letter and Conspiracy Theories (36:06 - 57:04) The hosts explore the enigmatic letter Princess Diana wrote predicting her own death, delving into theories that suggest royal involvement in orchestrating her fatal car crash. They discuss inconsistencies in the official narrative, such as the driver's behavior, missing camera footage, and unusual financial transactions.

• Unnamed Co-Host (37:25): “...she was becoming a problem. Her star just, like, eclipsed the monarchies.”
• Kate Casey (37:25): “...did you know that high ranking members travel with royal blood in case they need a transfusion?”
• Chandler (39:41): “...the driver had several hundreds of thousands of dollars deposited into his account that day.”
• Kate Casey (40:33): “...expertly, you just know that, that, yeah, those two, two people are related.”

Celebrity Clone Conspiracies and Other Mysteries (57:04 - 64:28) The discussion broadens to include bizarre theories such as Avril Lavigne having a clone and comparisons between various celebrities like Katy Perry and JonBenet Ramsey. The hosts debunk these theories humorously, emphasizing the implausibility of such conspiracies.

• Unnamed Co-Host (50:08): “I mean, we could get into JonBenet because it sounds like you just. Yeah. You know, did an episode on it.”
• Kate Casey (50:19): “...so I feel like something would have slipped up.”

Conclusion and Closing Remarks (62:42 - 64:28) The episode wraps up with light-hearted interactions, promoting Kate Casey's podcast and discussing their mutual appreciation for reality TV, despite earlier conspiratorial topics. The hosts express gratitude towards Kate for her insightful contributions.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler (01:46): “I think some deals with the devil are made.”
• Kate Casey (22:10): “I think sometimes the people who are in the center of the relationship have their best interests, but it's the outsiders that have a way of convincing them of doing something.”
• Unnamed Co-Host (37:25): “Princess Diana, she wrote a letter to her friend, her former butler, Paul Burrell, predicting her death due to a planned car accident.”

Key Takeaways:

• The episode delves into various conspiracy theories involving high-profile celebrities and royalty, analyzing rumors and speculating on hidden motives behind significant events.
• Kate Casey provides expert insights, drawing parallels between historical and modern-day scenarios to explain the dynamics of fame and power.
• The discussion highlights the thin line between truth and speculation in the lives of celebrities, encouraging listeners to critically evaluate the narratives presented in the media.

Conclusion: Episode 256 of Pop Apologists offers a comprehensive exploration of numerous Hollywood and royal conspiracies, guided by the knowledgeable Kate Casey. Through engaging dialogue and critical analysis, the hosts dissect complex theories, providing listeners with a thought-provoking examination of fame, power, and the mysteries that surround them.

Transcript

[Kate Casey]

Can you imagine if you. For just people we know in our regular life, if we got a Christmas card from somebody and it's them doing charity work, we would rip them away.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah. Well, well, well. We are here today with the one and only Kate Casey. Our favorite Kate Casey here to talk about Hollywood conspiracies with who knows literally everything about everything. Thank you so much for being on our show.

[Kate Casey]

Thank you. I feel like I have just fit in right in the sisters. You are your older annoying sister, probably.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Our much more knowledgeable sister. But fellow blonde, welcome back to the show.

[Kate Casey]

Thank you.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kate Casey]

So fun to be here. Yeah. And we are here in Hollywood, so it just is perfect.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It could not be more fitting.

[Chandler]

It's a little eerie. We can see, like, the Hollywood sign from our hotel room. And as I was preparing for this, I don't know, I just felt a.

[Kate Casey]

Little spooked a little bit.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Just slightly.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. Because the secrets here.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, that's my question is how dark are these people's secrets? Like, deep, you think? Like, is it. Is it tunnels with children, vibes, or is it like, just like a love child here and there? Like, how insidious is what goes on here?

[Kate Casey]

Why you couple people that come here with big dreams, and I feel like there's a part of them, the minute they get here that sheds part of who they were and then who they want to be. And in that weird vortex, people make bad decisions. They meet people who don't have the best intentions, and in their attempt to remain the person that they want to be and the person they want to become, some crazy stuff, I think happens.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I think some deals with the devil are made.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And I think we should start with a particular devil in Hollywood. If I may be so bold, I think we should talk about Kim Kardashian's sex tape and the possibility that Kris Kardashian or Kris Jenner, excuse me, Orchestrated the sale of it.

[Kate Casey]

I don't think it's that far of a stretch of imagination all these years later, because I feel like if you go back in Hollywood, there were so many momagers that predated Kris Jenner, and it's just she was in the modern era. If there had been the ability for a sex tape for Judy Garland's mother or Natalie mother or, I don't know, maybe they would have done it as well.

[Chandler]

Right, right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

What do you think Judy Garland's sex.

[Kate Casey]

Tape would have been like, her singing? Right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I think it would have been very wholesome and pure. Like whatever was.

[Kate Casey]

I don't know. Cuz later in her life she was like smoking a Siggy all the time. So who knows?

[Chandler]

I'm just imagining like the film treatment that's from that era where it's like all black and white, kind of like on the fritz. Anyway. Yeah, it would be very sexy, very stylized.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, a gorgeous woman and not unlike Kim Kardashian. What's interesting about this is it was a rumor, right? It was something that. It was like an open secret in la, but a rumor on the Internet. But then if we go back, we can remember that it was a plot line on the Kardashians, that Kanye was going to get the, like, unreleased tapes back and that Ray J was like threatening to release it again or he was somehow involved in a. In a re release. So Ray J took to Instagram and this is what he posted. He said, you know what we did? Your mom controlled this whole sex tape deal. It was her idea to put out the tape. All I did was agree. Now you want to make it seem like I'm doing it again without your control. All those fake tears, your fans trusting you to be honest and sincere. But it's all fake for the cameras. I was playing my part until you started doing all of this. He claimed that there were three separate tapes. Two taped in Cabo San Lucas and one in Santa Barbara, for which they each received $400,000. Ray just said that Chris watched the footage and, quote, made a decision about which tape to release. He says, we was in that shit together on an Instagram live. Chris, you know what you did? I'm about to show people what you did.

[Chandler]

Wow.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, like, what world are you watching? You know, your daughter sex tape in different hotel rooms. And like, oh, I just think that the lighting in this one is more flattering.

[Chandler]

Let's go with Cabo number two. Yeah. I don't know what world we're living in.

[Kate Casey]

I don't know. She went from a stylist organizing people's closets and to what her career became. It's just hard to imagine the conversation, like, if we don't do something, you're never gonna make it hit. Because she went on that date with Nick Lachey and she was in the background with Paris all the time. I wish I was privy to those conversations.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, it was obviously such a different time because now there's so many small town Internet starlets, right? The micro influencers. It's so much easier to make some sort of name for yourself and obviously onlyflance now it's not nearly as taboo and it's honestly not nearly as newsworthy if someone gets naked on camera. But back then, I feel like it was kind of this clear shot, like, hey, I'm best friends with Paris Hilton. This is what. Paris Hilton had a sex tape. She became this glamorous socialite. And the question I have is, is there a world where Kim came to Chris and was like, mom, I'm going to do this regardless?

[Kate Casey]

Maybe that happened. Maybe she said, I will do it. So you have a choice. You can either support me and make this work or not.

[Chandler]

Yeah, something else I saw, I kind.

[Kate Casey]

Of think it was more that too.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Something else I saw was that I think it was on the House of Kardashians. There was this clip from someone close to the Kardashian family. And he was talking about how they needed it to be like a leaked sex tape. Not just like a sex tape, you know, that was released. Like it needed to be leaked because, you know, he basically said they needed that to be the story in the press. Because nobody really wants to watch a sex tape where it's like, this is me and my loving boyfriend. We want everyone to see it. You know, there's no scandal there. There's nothing salacious about that. And so it was actually quite genius to some degree to be like, this is a leaked sex tape. And, you know, suddenly then everyone is extremely curious about it. And it just like drove more fanfare.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

What do you mean? Like, they didn't do like a whole like, intro, like, welcome to our channel.

[Chandler]

Yeah, well, like, they were going to release it, but then they also needed the story to be fed to the press was that it was leaked.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Like it was a private.

[Chandler]

It was, it was an accident. It was a private tape that was like they never wanted it to be out there, which then makes people go, well, I want to go watch it.

[Kate Casey]

Well, that was on the heels of Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson too. And that was what worked for that marketing strategy too. Now we know in retrospect that from what Pamela has said, it was actually stolen from her, a complete violation, and haunted her for years.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

One thing I think is so interesting about the Pamela Anderson story is hearing how she fell in love with Tommy Lee in Cancun and he basically, like gave her ecstasy for the first time.

[Kate Casey]

Yep.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And they went on like this drug fueled bender. And did they get married on that trip? It's almost like she was kind of like under the the influence drugs, like.

[Chandler]

Roofied to some degree into getting married.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, that's just such a.

[Kate Casey]

But we see that. But when she tells the story, it's romantic. It's romantic.

[Chandler]

I mean, it's the first time she did ecstasy. How could it not be?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, and ecstasy is really one of those drugs where, like, definitely it can be used to take advantage of people.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So anyway, we'll get Pam on.

[Kate Casey]

She'll. I know she'll clear the air on.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That one for sure.

[Kate Casey]

Well, she's having her big moment now.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

A renaissance.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

We were talking about it on the show recently. There was a headline where she said, I'm not wearing any makeup. And I'm surprised people are noticing.

[Chandler]

Well, she. She said basically that she didn't think that it would be such a big deal when she kind of stepped out. And it's like no makeup days of her life. Which is just like a little bit laughable.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. Like, if you're stepping onto a red carpet and you have. You literally have not even mascara on, I think people are going to notice that anyway.

[Kate Casey]

Surprises me more. Are the people that kind of encircle these celebrities, especially award shows, and they were not freaking out because, you know.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

They were like, we helped your glam, basically.

[Kate Casey]

Or like her publicist, like, you're not going to wear anything. Like, how's anybody going to pay attention to the dress, which is on loan, you know, all of that. Oh, yeah, yeah. No one's going to notice you. In fact, they're going to make fun of you.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

See, I feel like it was like a strategy.

[Chandler]

It was like, this is the new.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Brand and this is how I'm going to get eyeballs and I'm going to get clicks like Pamela Anderson makeup. And it worked. We're talking about it, honestly. Okay, let's get into another one. Chandler, I think that was a perfect one to start with. Thank you so much. Because it really goes to show that as we discuss these, everyone. And you might think there's no way that's true. Literally, Ray J verified that it's true. So not all is as it seems in La La Land. Okay.

[Chandler]

Absolutely not.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Let's move on to January Jones and Matthew Vaughn.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes. Okay. So, Kate, you are an expert in this.

[Kate Casey]

Okay.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I honestly barely know who Matthew Vaughn is, but he is Claudia Schiffer's husband.

[Kate Casey]

And I think that's what's very well known director. And at the time that they were filming, January was filming a movie. He was the director. There were all these rumors that they were having an affair. And then I believe it was like the end of the year, and then by September of the following year, she has this baby. The big question was like, who is the father? Because she had also dated Jason Sudeikis around that time. I'm telling you, that was when Us Weekly, People magazine, when the magazines came out, you would go to the newsstand and get a stack and just sit there and read them all. It was a glorious time. So question was, who is the father of the baby now? I kept thinking to myself, well, we're gonna know in no time. Cause we're gonna look, see what the child looks like. She was pretty stealth for many years, kind of hiding his face.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

Recently, as in like a couple days ago.

[Chandler]

Oh my gosh.

[Kate Casey]

Found a picture. He looks just like Matthew Vaughn. No, he looks just like him.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And Matthew Vaughn and Claudia Schiffer still.

[Kate Casey]

They remain together. Yes.

[Chandler]

Current day January Jones is very interesting to me.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I feel like her. At least her Instagram presence is very kooky.

[Kate Casey]

She's kooky for sure. Yeah. Different personality.

[Chandler]

Is there something deeper going on there or no?

[Kate Casey]

Well, I just think when these actors, they work on movie sets, they become so entrenched in the story, and if there's some sort of romance with someone who's their opposite actor, I mean, it's notorious. They talk about love affairs. I am sure that there are a lot of babies that came out of affairs on movie sets. In this case, it was just between an actress, or presumably between an actress and a director. But I'm telling you, go look at the picture and you tell me that's.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Wow, that is so interesting.

[Chandler]

You know, I would just love to know, like, behind closed doors, if there's any communication between her and him. Like, we both kind of know. You know, you don't have to like, be involved in our life, but it's kind of obvious, the elephant in the room, that we now have this love child together. And I'm sure Claudia also is clued in.

[Kate Casey]

Right. Well, gosh, you feel so terrible for her.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

That's devastating.

[Chandler]

Devastating.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. And their kids too. What about the other kids? Yeah, but it seems to me like usually when kids become adults, someone will come forward and say, I am the love child.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Do you think there's any hush money payment, like.

[Kate Casey]

I would assume so.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, children are expensive, especially in la. Yeah. Or. And if you're a married person and you don't want that person to come and have conversations with your spouse or your other children, maybe there's a little something on the side I just, like, make the problem go away.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I can't even imagine being in that position, like, where it's just you look at this kid and you're like, you know, just. Yeah, I can't.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I'm wondering how many women have children with men they're in love with, but who they know are not going to, like, leave their wives for them.

[Kate Casey]

I think it happens a lot. I had someone on my podcast that talked about how they found out as an adult that their stepfather, who had just passed away, had a child with a woman he had an affair with and they kept a secret. She didn't even know until her stepfather died. And that was somebody who worked in finance. He was a. Someone who's very successful on Wall Street.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

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[Kate Casey]

Well, it will. Yes, it will.

[Chandler]

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[Unnamed Co-Host]

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[Kate Casey]

I do, too.

[Chandler]

And Justin Bieber. I need to know if there's any correlation there, because some people say he looks like Scott. To me, he looks very similar to Justin.

[Kate Casey]

I think extremely similar to Justin Bieber.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

He also seems to have a little bit more moxie than the other kids. I don't know why. But then I'm like, is that a little bit of Bieber personality in there, too?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, and we all saw, by the.

[Kate Casey]

Way, we wouldn't discuss this, or maybe we would in private if they lived in our town and she was the librarian. But the fact that they're on a reality show, I think it kind of opens the door for conversations you wouldn't necessarily have about someone else.

[Chandler]

I mean, I've seen her, like, boyfriend shave her vagina on tv, so I just think that, you know, a lot is on the table here.

[Kate Casey]

Right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Also, I'm pretty sure it was a plot line in the Kardashians that Scott wanted a paternity test for Rain. For Rain. Because when.

[Chandler]

Wow. They're really.

[Kate Casey]

I remember the moment where she said to him, she was pregnant, she was in her closet.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

And he got quite angry.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

I could see the mathematics going in his head. He was like, wait, what? And he got very angry. Angry.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. Well, and her and Justin, their fleeing coincides perfectly with when Rain would have been conceived. And they're fling. It's not like this is. Maybe it happened or maybe it didn't. Like Foley was in People magazine. Kourtney Kardashian Fling is an ego boost for Justin Bieber. Source says he couldn't care less if it's just revenge on Scott Disick. Like, this was a confirmed romance. He was 21, she was 36. This happened, folks. Okay. So I just think it's very interesting.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Also, let's not forget, okay. If this happened to somebody who lives in Topeka, you have people that surround that couple, whether they're together or not. They're both of their parents, their friends, people in their ear saying, this is a decision you should make. Think about that. For people who are celebrities, that circle gets quite large. You have managers and agents and other people that have fiduciary interest in that celebrity to keep a secret or to make a certain decision about a child. So that's what complicates it all the more. I think sometimes the people who are in the center of the relationship have their best interests, but it's the outsiders that have a way of convincing them of doing something.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Like, do you think that outsiders said, like, Justin, you can't take part in.

[Kate Casey]

This child's like, he's a 21 year old and she's 36. He's a 21 year old who is on the cusp of maybe some tour dates or some sort of business decision. And they. They may have said, like, this is going to cloud your. Your image. This doesn't look good. And conversely, the same for her end. Let's say if this is Even true. You're 36, he's 21. This might not look good. What is. How's this gonna make the other kids feel? We have no idea what kind of conversations they have, you know, behind closed doors.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

There is a part of me that just thinks that Kris Jenner, though, would have been like, oh, this is an excellent season. 21, or whatever it was about 21.

[Kate Casey]

Well, maybe. But she's not the one who was pregnant.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kate Casey]

So who knows? Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And maybe Courtney didn't want any sort of narrative out there that her kids had a different father like, that she wanted a one baby daddy story.

[Kate Casey]

A lot of your decisions are based on your own life experiences in your own family of origin.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So maybe for some of them, they don't want the idea of a father, Several different fathers for their kids. I'm not saying specifically the Kardashians. I just think everybody. We. We always go into every decision with our own set of life circumstances and lens.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I don't know. I. I'm kind of wondering, like, did the Kardashians sit down one day and like, during their family beliefs and principles, they said one baby daddy. Because it's almost like they all agreed to that and did it right. Like Kim, all Kanye. Tristan for Khloe.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay. Scott for Kourtney. I guess Kylie has one or two.

[Chandler]

Travis.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, yeah, Travis.

[Chandler]

Yeah, it's just Travis, I believe.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

But just one child.

[Chandler]

I think she has two.

[Kate Casey]

But did you guys grow up in a house where your parent had more than one child with a different house? Because I did.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, you did.

[Kate Casey]

Okay. Yeah. So four kids, three different dads.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

And I'm gonna tell you, it does affect you.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It does.

[Kate Casey]

Where you're like, this is so complicated. It's embarrassing to discuss with people.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Really?

[Kate Casey]

I don't care now, but when I was a kid, my half sister is. That's with my stepfather. My oldest sister has a different father. My Just my sister and the second one, and. And I'm the third. We have the same father.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It's.

[Kate Casey]

It's kind of. So you're complicated.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You're saying that maybe there was some level of, like, we talking about Caitlyn growing up and just like, having two father figures was like, it makes life.

[Kate Casey]

A lot simpler when you have the same parents.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, well, you know who life was not simple for? Obama's chef. So let's get into that.

[Kate Casey]

This case is so weird.

[Chandler]

I didn't know anything about this also.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, don't.

[Chandler]

This case has ruined Martha's Vineyard for me, which, you know, I wasn't happy about.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

If you do go, I would avoid the waters because Tafari Campbell, he was a gorgeous, young, strong man. Okay? Stunning, super hot.

[Chandler]

But Lauren's extra devastated because he was hot. Like, let's be honest here.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And I actually really don't like that because whenever people are like, you know, she died young and she was so beautiful, it's like, well, would it be less sad if she was, like, less pretty? I guess that's a horrible thing to say.

[Chandler]

It would be. No, I'm just kidding.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So I think that Tafari's death is very sad, regardless of his beauty, which was there. Okay, so he died in July 2023 while visiting Martha's Vineyard estate. He went paddle boarding on Edgerton Bay Pond, where a fellow paddle boarder. This was outside Obama's, like, compound or pond. So everyone. He's in a pond that's eight feet deep when this happens.

[Chandler]

Is it a pond, though, that, like, leads out to the ocean?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I don't know. All I know is that it's still water. It's eight feet deep. And a fellow paddle boarder reported seeing him struggle before going under the water and not resurfacing. His body was found the next day about 100ft from shore in 8ft of water. And he was not wearing a life jacket. The rumor was that this is not the case and that Tafari had been writing a tell all book when he was found dead with injuries to his head in less than 4ft of water. Rumors say the 911 call also didn't go out until his body washed up on shore and Obama's quote, personal coroner conducted the autopsy.

[Chandler]

Who has a personal corner? Just a quick question.

[Kate Casey]

No, there are. Seems like recently I feel like there are more and more stories. Like you look at the Kim Porter story.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Like a personal coroner was sent. I don't know. It's. It's all weird.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That's weird.

[Chandler]

Anyone you know who has a personal corner, you stay away from that person.

[Kate Casey]

I don't know if it's their personal. Like they're on their payroll. But there are certain people that seem to be the coroner for very famous people.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

But my question number one, two things. What was in the toxicology report? And the second thing is, what was the tell all about? Was it about mafia ties? Was it about politics? Was it about, like, an uncle? That was shady. I mean, it could have been one of many things.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It was about Obama.

[Chandler]

It could have been obama, like the 25 rest.

[Kate Casey]

Why would people on Martha's Vineyard paddle boarding outside the house that they rented if he was writing a tell all about Obama?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Because he was trying to blackmail them because he wanted the house.

[Kate Casey]

That's just like.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Something else I take issue with is the. The fact that he wasn't wearing a life jacket. People don't wear life jackets when they're paddle boarding.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like, it's not. It's not like that dangerous of a.

[Kate Casey]

Sport and in eight feet of water.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Right.

[Chandler]

So I'm not like, oh, he wasn't wearing a life jacket. There's your smoking gun.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right, right. That's a good point, though. It just is. It's very suspicious that a young man would just. I'm gonna look up the Tafari Campbell autopsy and toxicology.

[Kate Casey]

Well, did you ever follow the story of Chappaquiddick with Ted Kennedy?

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

I kind of think that Mary Jo Kopechne was buzzed or drunk for sure and got into the back of the car and fell asleep. And then he got in the car maybe with another woman, and Maybe that woman got out. But when the car crashed, I don't think he actually knew Mary Jo was in the backseat.

[Chandler]

Oh, for real?

[Kate Casey]

Uh huh.

[Chandler]

That's fascinating. I mean that's, that's quite the theory.

[Kate Casey]

That's why I think he freaked. He was like, wait, what? And then everybody was like, we, we need to do something about this.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Wow.

[Kate Casey]

People magazine did a great podcast series called the COVID up about it. And it was about it. And at the end of it I went, I think he didn't know she was asleep in the backseat.

[Chandler]

But so you, you're saying he didn't know she was asleep in the backseat? He obviously leaves the car or is like so disoriented, gets out, well, he was drunk, gets to safety.

[Kate Casey]

They were all drinking at a party. I think everybody was drunk.

[Chandler]

And then when does he realize he needs to the car to like save her or like try to look for her?

[Kate Casey]

I think in the aftermath he was totally out of it. And then they were like, there was someone else in the car and he was just so confused. Yeah, I don't think he had any, any idea.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, what my research revealed is that basically the autopsy just said confirms accidental drowning and toxicology reports are not public information in Massachusetts. So we don't know. I will say, I do think that very powerful people, they can rid themselves of that burden.

[Chandler]

They can just say it.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

They can be unburdened by what has been with having that other person taken care of.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, 100%. A theory I saw was that Katy Perry is actually JonBenet.

[Kate Casey]

That is so, absolutely, so dumb. It's ridiculous.

[Chandler]

I saw that and I was like.

[Kate Casey]

So people are so dumb.

[Chandler]

I was just like, I don't know. People have too much time on their hands on the Internet.

[Kate Casey]

Yes.

[Chandler]

Also, yeah, Katy Perry is kind of an odd one. But I mean, we could get into JonBenet because it sounds like you just. Yeah. You know, did an episode on it. Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You know a lot about the JonBenet disappearance. I actually feel like I'm not up to speed.

[Kate Casey]

Okay.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So was her body ever found? Yes, it was. Okay.

[Kate Casey]

Okay, so her parents call 911 at 5:55am on December 26, 1996. They had been to a Christmas party the evening before. Now when they arrive at the house, Patsy, the mother, is in the same clothes that she was in the previous evening at the Christmas party. But she said she woke up and put the same clothes on. What you should know is she was a former Miss West Virginia. So we know women that are kind of vain that would be like they.

[Chandler]

Would be primping and they would be getting odd.

[Kate Casey]

Why would she put your same dirty clothes on that you had on the night before?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

She put those on.

[Kate Casey]

She said she woke up in the morning, put the clothes on that she had the night before with her evening wear, went downstairs and at the bottom of the steps there was a ransom note. The ransom note was quite long and it referred to a group called SBTC and they wanted a ransom of $118,000 that they had her daughter and she was not to call the police. Well, she called right away and she claimed she went upstairs and woke up John, her husband and her nine year old son Burke. And then the police showed up. The weird thing is the whole crime scene was destroyed immediately. The only room they cornered off was JonBenet's room. And they called all their friends and family to come. So they were all walking through the house too. Seven hours later, at one o'clock in the afternoon, one of the officers says to the father, maybe you could look around the house and see if anything is amiss. So he walks downstairs with a friend, downstairs to the basement and almost immediately comes back up and he's holding the body of his lifeless six year old daughter. And so there are two theories of what may have happened. One is that something happened within the home with the family and maybe there was an accident, it was covered up by the family, or that there was an intruder. So the body was close to a window in the basement. There was a footprint that no one can figure out what the footprint is for. There were marks on her body. Some had suggested it was a stun gun. Others suggest that maybe it was a train set in the basement. Someone was pushing it up against her skin to kind of wake her up. But the problem is, oh, and there's DNA in the underwear. There's no semen on the body or around it. She was assaulted because there was a garrote, which is like a long stick with a cord attached that was likely put inside of her, that broke her hymen and that was around her neck and there was duct tape over her mouth. And it's just the most puzzling case because there is the DNA, but it's a very small amount of DNA. Now, the Ramsey family says they're frustrated because they say that an outside lab should be handling it. The Boulder Police Department has said, we have worked with a number of outside agencies. This is still an open case. I don't know if we're ever going to get an answer.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

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[Kate Casey]

Else but it was so minuscule. It could have been the packaging. The person that packaged the underwear. There's not like a full profile of it because it's so small, but we.

[Chandler]

Know it's not her.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Her own DNA.

[Kate Casey]

It's not her own DNA also.

[Chandler]

Just, just oh go ahead.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, kind of giving a really horrific Theory that the parents, in their quest to cover up an accident that happened or just like, I don't know, some act of violence, they kind of did something with that cord or whatever to like make it seem like an intruder and an assault.

[Kate Casey]

Well, lots of people have wondered this for the last 28 years. There was a new Netflix documentary. I actually interviewed the director and John Ramsey is interviewed in it. And they believe that the police and the media stretched the truth and did such a bad job examinating the case that the real perpetrator is out there somewhere to this day. But there are a lot of people on the other side who believe that there was an accident that happened in the house and that in their haste to maybe covered up, that perhaps the mother had written the ransom note. But again, it's been 28 years. There's been no movement closer to answers.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

There's no handwriting analysis of the ransom note.

[Kate Casey]

There was. And they add both parents and the son do a handwriting analysis. They counted out the father and the son, but it was inconclusive with the mother.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And the idea is that the mom was potentially just in those clothes all night until this happened.

[Kate Casey]

There's also a 911 call and it's hard to tell. There's like a sound in the background. And experts have tried to zone in on what was said. And it does sound like a nine year old boy is in the background asking what happened? Can I help? And John Ramsey is saying something along the lines of like, this does not pertain to you. But in an interview that they did on New Year's Day in 1997 on CNN, they say they were all asleep, including their son, until the 911 call was made. Or maybe right after that she woke them up. That would conflict with what they said. Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It's giving. What about coroner note from Robert Durst? It's giving.

[Kate Casey]

It's hard because I don't know if we'll ever have an answer.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I know, but it's like most of the time, like the whole thing.

[Kate Casey]

When they did the autopsy, there was pineapple in her stomach.

[Chandler]

What about the pineapple that. Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Now, the party that they went to the previous evening, the host says there was no fruit at the party. So that would mean that she got home that evening and ate pineapple in her house. So she was up.

[Chandler]

Were they able to tell a time of death that helped?

[Kate Casey]

A neighbor who lived diagonal heard the scream of a child. Now, she didn't look at the clock when that happened, and it was brief and loud, but she guesstimated that it was between 12am and 2am and then she waited to see if there were further sounds and after five minutes went back to sleep.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Why is the pineapple so mysterious? I mean, so the mom and dad didn't say she had a fruit snack.

[Kate Casey]

They said they have no idea why there would be pineapple. But there was a bowl of pineapple on the kitchen table when investigators went to the house.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, and like the intruder, he writes the note. He does. He has like. He also cuts pineapple and feet. What? I don't know. I feel like I figured out. Well, I think, like, I think the mystery is not that the theory for sure.

[Chandler]

Well, and I think the other theory is that the brother accidentally did it or something. And then the parents kind of faced with, oh my gosh, what has just happened? Our son has just accidentally committed this atrocity and we don't wanna lose both kids. So then it's like, okay, well, let's stage this intruder situation.

[Kate Casey]

Well, also, John Ramsey had lost a daughter in a car accident years before. So of the four children combined, because they had two together, that would be the loss of a daughter named Beth JonBenet. And if that were what happened, I could see a moment of panic. Like that would be three of our kids gone. Right. But he was also a minor.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

He's a minor. He's nine. He's going for.

[Kate Casey]

Who knows what happen when people are.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Frantic state.

[Chandler]

You're. Yeah. You're literally. Your mind is racing. I mean.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I think the other really crazy part about this is just how the crime scene was just totally trash.

[Kate Casey]

That's why I think people are never going to know the answer because it was so compromised.

[Chandler]

Yes. I mean, it reminds me of like Karen Reed. I know, like when the crime scene is that and people who are listening. That's one of the most fascinating cases. We talked about it. Kate has a great series on it. It just. When the crime scene is just totally fucked over and there's no way to actually like, evaluate evidence. Yeah. It's just like, how do you even know? How do you prove something in court?

[Kate Casey]

Also it's compelling because it happened on Christmas. Was this wealthy family. He had just sold his company to Lockheed Martin. So he was quite wealthy. They live in the suburbs of Denver. She was a Miss West Virginia. And the child, JonBenet was also in pageants.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So when you see the images of her with all the makeup on, I think that was the tipping point where people started to go, this pageant stuff is Very seedy. And then the question of, is it possible someone had targeted her because they were fixated on her picture or had been to a pageant? Yeah, right.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Wow.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And. But how was the crime scene destroyed? Like, how. What. What does that mean?

[Kate Casey]

Too many people walking in, out, and then when the body was found, the father picked the child up and walks upstairs with the body. So that's ruining the crime scene around where the body was found, and then the bodies, you know.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, okay.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, very, very horrific. But there's a new Netflix documentary, so.

[Kate Casey]

You can watch the Netflix docu series. It's directed by Joe Berlinger, and John Ramsey is interviewed in it.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And is it a good documentary?

[Kate Casey]

I think that what's great about this story is there are so many different documentaries. You can just watch all of them and then, you know, listen, none of us work in law enforcement.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kate Casey]

But we can certainly deduce things based on our own life experiences. And law enforcement has obviously tried for 28 years to get to an answer, so. Right. I just don't know if we ever will get one.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Wow.

[Chandler]

It's really sad.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay. And should we get into another mystery? Very sad. Let's go with another classic, which is the death of Princess Diana.

[Chandler]

Lay the groundwork, set the scene for us.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So everyone, a lot of people believe that there's some mysteries to the death of Princess Diana and that it doesn't really make sense that she just died in this fateful car crash. And so here are some inconsistencies. First, the crash itself. So Diana's driver, Henry Paul, he was reportedly drunk, and he allegedly tested twice over the legal limit, but he was able to tie his shoes right before driving without issue. And some people think that he was set up to crash this car. Also, I'm the biggest smoking gun of all of it because there's, like, some things that are. Like, the paparazzi might have blinded them with the lights. Like, there are some things that are just a little bit not that convincing. Like, Diana wasn't with her normal bodyguards that night. Dodie's father says that he thinks it was set up. And basically the idea is that the monarchy killed Diana specifically so that Charles could remarry and to basically get rid of her, that she was becoming a problem. Her star just, like, eclipsed the monarchies.

[Chandler]

And that they didn't want her to be with Dodi.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes, they didn't want her to be.

[Chandler]

With Dodi because he was, like. He was Egyptian and Muslim, and they didn't, you know, they didn't want that. The look of that. Allegedly.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So this news came out in 2023. So Princess Diana, she wrote a letter to her friend, her former butler, Paul Burrell.

[Kate Casey]

Paul Burrell.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Predicting her death due to a planned car accident. This was 10 months before it happened. She writes him in a letter, and she says that she believed Prince Charles was, quote, unquote, planning an accident in my car that would leave her with a serious head injury. She said this would allow him to marry. And he has come on the record saying he has this letter from her. Like what?

[Chandler]

That's when you predict your own death. That's pretty shocking.

[Kate Casey]

Well, the first thing is this family is so strange and mysterious. Did you know that high ranking members travel with royal blood in case they need a transfusion? I mean, these are not typical people.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Wait, what?

[Chandler]

Because they wouldn't get a regular transfusion.

[Kate Casey]

Royal blood.

[Chandler]

Wait, that is so weird and archaic and. Ugh.

[Kate Casey]

So I'm just saying, if they do that, Lord knows what they do, Right? I am friends with someone who was one of Dodi Fayed's best friends.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Oh, wow.

[Kate Casey]

And spoke to him in the days before the crash. They were not engaged and they weren't even really romantic, okay?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, really?

[Kate Casey]

They were just great friends. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

She liked the kind of like the escape from the royal world. And he provided for her with his resources, Right?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So when Mohammed Afayed suggests that they were engaged and it was this romantic relationship, it's just simply not true.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Interesting. Okay.

[Chandler]

Wow.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So, I mean, does your friend have any insight into whether this was set up?

[Kate Casey]

She had a conversation with the director who said, stop talking about Dodie. And she did think at some points that her phone was being tapped. What?

[Chandler]

I have the chills.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I feel like I bring this all back to what this family is capable of and what they've done in the past. Let's think about Henry viii. Okay. He had, like, multiple wives beheaded.

[Kate Casey]

Well, I just think people who have that amount of money and power, who only knows if Kris Jenner has made.

[Chandler]

A deal with the devil. Like, I'm sure the, you know, the royal family in England has made some deals with the devil. Another thing about this case, the driver had several hundreds of thousands of dollars deposited into his account that day.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Wait, what?

[Chandler]

There was just, like a direct deposit of $200,000 or something like that put into his account that day. And so apparently, allegedly, he was in on it and that he was supposed to drive them, obviously, and he did. But the car, the crash was supposed to happen from the back.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So he wasn't supposed to die. Oh, my gosh.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And so it's just. It's super mysterious that he got this, like, big deposit of money that day and then the crash happens and that doesn't really happen.

[Kate Casey]

She was wearing a seatbelt. Experts now say if she had been wearing a seat belt, she would have lived.

[Chandler]

Yeah. It is quite shocking to have all three people die. And people also say that, you know, maybe the seat belts were broken so that they couldn't have been worn. Also, I guess there's like 14 cameras within that tunnel and none of them are recording.

[Kate Casey]

Or maybe they did, but someone confiscated that. But the one thing that just perplexes me is it does seem like someone.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Did flash a light to try to blind the driver.

[Chandler]

And then, I mean, people also, like, there's photos of the Queen at the funeral where she has, like, a smile on her face, which is like a little bit more.

[Kate Casey]

Well, the Queen question that she ever smile?

[Chandler]

No, it was. It's actually quite shocking to see her, like, she, she looks gleeful, like, compared to her normal, like, face.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, this doesn't really say that this was a conspiracy, but she literally was annoyed she had to leave their, like, country estate.

[Kate Casey]

She got a lot of flack for that.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, she. She was basically like, this bitch is not royal anymore. This is not my issue. And then everyone was so up in arms over it. They're like, you know, you need to address the Commonwealth in this respect.

[Kate Casey]

I can understand how for William and Harry, this would be maddening.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Like you want the answers. Like it seems like Harry has said in his own book, which I read and also in interviews, suggests that it's not worth it to him to push for the answers because the answers may be, like, so upsetting.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And he's. And he said in the book, it's not going to change the fact she's gone.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And this is something I will say, I think that Harry just doesn't seem like an actual Windsor to me. And I do think that he is most likely the son of the bodyguard because he just looks so much alike sometimes.

[Kate Casey]

I think, though, that he looks a lot like Prince Philip.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, I've seen. I've seen those split screens. But don't you think he doesn't have that evil Windsor energy? Like, he's just too, I. He's too much of a nice ginger.

[Chandler]

Yeah, he does have, like a happy, go lucky kind of energy that none of them have.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. Charles and William, they just both seem like, like Scowling, I could see them getting. Did you read the book Spare?

[Chandler]

Yeah, of course.

[Kate Casey]

Oh, the one thing that, again, everyone's experience in life is so different and the lens you look through is so different. But maybe it's because, like, my dad's total whack job, but the way he talked about his dad and complained about him, I was like, he doesn't sound.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That bad about Prince Charles. Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

I was like, he sounds like a great guy.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, interesting. Yeah. I mean, he definitely. I feel like the fact that he didn't hug them when he let them know he's British, I don't know.

[Kate Casey]

My mom never hugged me and we're American, like. But he came in and he said, darling boy, I'm so sorry. She's gone. I'm so sorry, darling boy. That doesn't sound that bad to me.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Darling boy is cute.

[Chandler]

And honestly, after watching the Crown, which is obviously a interpretation, I felt a lot more endeared to Charles than I did even before, like, after reading Spare, like, watching the Crown. I don't know, I just think that, like, he was raised by a very cold mom himself.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And he didn't really know how to maybe show love or whatever. And I do think that he was. I don't know. I have. I have empathy for Charles, I guess. There's a King Charles. King Charles, if you're listening. I have empathy for you.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I think it's a photo of Queen Elizabeth. She's getting off, like, a plane after doing a royal tour that lasted months. And she's seeing her toddler Prince Charles son, and she shakes his hand like that family's from.

[Kate Casey]

And how do you shed that when that's all you know?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, and here's the thing about Charles. You know, honestly, I take it back. I like the Windsors.

[Kate Casey]

Someone clips his fingernails. You understand that, right? So Harry's upset that his father is cold when he's never clipped his own fingernails his whole life.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That's true. Also, if you hear him talking about gardening, he's a very charming man and he loves. He planned that city.

[Kate Casey]

Very funny.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. I'm kind of into Charles.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I mean, also, I will say he's.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

A gorgeous voice, too.

[Chandler]

The fact that he's been with Camilla, you know, as terrible as maybe their origin story, and all the cheating with Diana and all of that is very bad and wrong and sad. But, like, I do believe in their love and the fact that he's, you know, I don't think that he was just like, serial cheater who couldn't stay faithful. I think he was deeply in love.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

With Camila and he's been basking in her earthy sensuality for decades.

[Chandler]

Decades.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Also sad that Diana got married so young. Like, she was really kind of just pushed into getting married at a time when she wasn't even sure of who she was.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right.

[Kate Casey]

Well, I have so much empathy for her. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Oh, 100%. I mean, all of a sudden, the prince is in love with you, and you're not going to just like. I don't know. I don't know how naive she was.

[Kate Casey]

Targeted. She was naive.

[Chandler]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And. And he really wasn't, though, in love with her. You know, he was kind of forced into it himself. And the whole time, just held his candle for Camila. This show is sponsored by Better Help. I think if one thing can be said to be true, it's that if you listen to this podcast, you need therapy. And no, not because you like to spend your one wild and precious life listening to me and Chandler yammer, yammer. It's because, guess what? Everyone needs therapy. You guys, I love BetterHelp. I have used BetterHelp. BetterHelp is a fully online platform where therapy is affordable and convenient. They serve over 5 million people worldwide, access a diverse network of more than 30,000 credentialed therapists with a wide range of specialties, and easily switch between therapists at any time with no extra cost. Write your story with BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.com popapologists to get 10 off your first month. That's BetterHelp. H-E-L-P.com Popapologists Popapologists is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing the budgeting game, shifting a little money here, a little there, and hoping it all works out? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can be a better budgeter and potentially lower your insurance bill, too. You tell Progressive what you want to pay for your car insurance, and they'll help you find options within your budget. Try it [e-mail] progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states. I mean, now that we're just getting into the royals, I'm curious if you think that William is a faithful husband to keep.

[Kate Casey]

No.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

No. You don't? No, I don't think so either. I think that these men are like.

[Kate Casey]

He'S no different than a celebrity on a reality show. The minute they get attention, women will just come and like, drop trial. They're like, what's up? And he has enough people that work in and around him to make sure that no one knows what's going on.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And I think it's kind of an open secret that he. Within London that he steps out on Kate because, you know, he wants to have. I don't know if this is the regular episode or this is the Patreon, but he wants to be pegged. And Kate won't do that. That is like, I have talked to London friends about.

[Kate Casey]

She's like an earth mother figure.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, you know.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I'm not. Yeah. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. We've had multiple people cooperate.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

This story, it's someone in our DMs who's like a very, very high society person. Big name. And she was like, the pegging thing is very legitimate.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, the male.

[Kate Casey]

By the way, maybe we're making the assumption that she's not like, leave me alone.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right, right.

[Kate Casey]

You know, maybe she's like, go and do what you need to do because I'm not doing it. But we'll stay married and have this family life.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Lifestyle.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right. And we don't know if she. She doesn't enjoy her own multiple partners. You know, we don't know what she does.

[Kate Casey]

Of course we do. Yeah.

[Chandler]

I don't think she does.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, you don't think she does.

[Kate Casey]

I know there's something about someone at the stable at her parents.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And they're like, you're the greatest thing that ever came to be. You're like a great mom. You're so funny. Let's go play field hockey. And she's like, yeah, let's do this.

[Chandler]

I'm. I am picturing Teddy's right now. I think about the guy maybe stables, but maybe I. I hope that. I hope and wish that for her.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, I would not to get back into the Kate of it all. But there was the mysterious death of that very handsome, you know, aristocratic friend. And there's all the strange things surrounding that. You know what's interesting about that?

[Kate Casey]

You know, I'm obsessed with aristocracy. You are like, I'm upset. Have you ever watched on YouTube, there's a series called. It's called Posh Life. I think Posh. You have to look it up. So basically that goes behind the scenes of Tatler and they. They just kind of profile people. And there's this one American family that they're like expats and they're in their house and.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And is it just like the lifestyles of the rich and famous type of.

[Kate Casey]

Vibe or kind of. It's. It's almost like pre Ladies of London in a way. But they're also showing the people who work at the magazine and how. What they put together for the magazine, how they choose, like, wow, you know, and Tatler would be like, this is the ide country outfit. And, like, how they're choosing it, who they choose to feature. I'm obsessed.

[Chandler]

Wait, okay.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And it's a YouTube series.

[Kate Casey]

Yes.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And it's called what again?

[Kate Casey]

I think it's. It's called Posh.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Posh. Okay.

[Kate Casey]

I think we'll double check on that. I think it's called. It's from like 10 or 12 years ago.

[Chandler]

Wow.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

A lot of people think that Kate has been replaced with a clone.

[Kate Casey]

I don't believe in clones.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You don't believe?

[Kate Casey]

The only clones I believe exist are maybe for Kim Iljong or Vladimir Putin.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, say more about that.

[Kate Casey]

I just don't think it. I think it's too hard to make a clone of a woman. I just.

[Chandler]

Not Hillary Clinton, apparently, according to Lauren.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I don't know. That was a clone. I think it was a robot's skin.

[Chandler]

Sorry, sorry.

[Kate Casey]

It just seems too hard to keep up.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, I agree with that. I. I just feel like we would know more about this technology if they.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, by the way, I'd be into it.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You would.

[Kate Casey]

Can I have a clone who takes my kids to all their activities now to talk to anybody. Let's do it.

[Chandler]

So one of our. One of our topics here is about Avril Lavigne and her clone. Alleged, you know, death or whatnot.

[Kate Casey]

Okay, that is so stupid.

[Chandler]

It is. It's super stupid. It's like it's on the same lines as Katy Perry being JonBenet and we don't even have to get into it. But I will just say that in reading about it, the theory is that she did have a body double that her record label would use. Like, basically, her grandfather died and she was going through it and she needed to take a break, so her record label had her body double, like, do appearances for her. And now that. To me, if I was a celebrity, I would love to have somebody doing my appearances for me. Like, if I could just, like, have a night in.

[Kate Casey]

Well, my one friend's brother looked like Sammy Hagar and he would go places and sign signatures. But if you looked at him after five minutes, you go, and we don't have a match here.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right, right.

[Kate Casey]

So I feel like something would have slipped up. Listen.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

People who are Groupies, they catch everything.

[Chandler]

I mean, if Taylor Swift had a body double or anything, we would know.

[Kate Casey]

You would know in three seconds.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. It's also, you can find the body double on Instagram and see her account. And she really doesn't look like Avril that much anymore.

[Kate Casey]

Like, there you go.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It's. It's been two roads diverging in a wood for sure, visually between those two.

[Kate Casey]

And, like, my daughter, my number three, she looks like the cute little girl in the Sound of Music. The one.

[Chandler]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

A Gretel.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Not so much anymore, right?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, exactly. Well, and also, people will, like, Show Avril singing 20 years ago and they'll show a cut to her singing today, and they're like, it is not the same. And like, yeah, duh, duh, it's been two decades.

[Chandler]

Also, look at, like, a Miley Cyrus or anyone. You could say, oh, someone else became her, or whatever.

[Kate Casey]

Right.

[Chandler]

You know, Right. When you just have that normal transformation as a. As a pop star. Sorry, one more thing about body doubles. And back to Kate. I will just never forget those chilling photos of Kate and William at the market that we were all buying, where we were all just, like, zooming in. Was that her? That kind of looks like her. Is that him? Is she that short? I mean, that was like. That was crazy.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, that was. Those were crazy times.

[Chandler]

Yeah, those were crazy times.

[Kate Casey]

They kind of set themselves up for that. Yeah, they fumbled a lot.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

We fumbled.

[Kate Casey]

It was a bad communications team over there.

[Chandler]

The photoshopping was weird.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, it's all weird.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Like, it's all weird. I don't believe women told the real story about that whatsoever.

[Kate Casey]

I bet you she doesn't even pay attention to the news. She doesn't read mag. I have heard she likes reality tv, though.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Really?

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. They both like reality tv. They do like it. But, I mean, she's probably so immune to so much of what, the chatter?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Has people around her that just keep her out of the way.

[Chandler]

Right. I love that they love reality tv. It's much more.

[Kate Casey]

It doesn't surprise me.

[Chandler]

Yeah. No, I mean, I love reality tv. Everyone probably likes it up.

[Kate Casey]

That's how people who don't have such privilege live.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

They have to interact with those people at some point. If I ever met the Royals.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

First thing I would say is, let's talk about the reality shows you watch.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Interesting.

[Chandler]

What do you. Yeah, what?

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

What are you fascinated by? I mean, I just think about how, like, Meghan and Harry talked about how they, like, love to watch Disney Movies, Like, I don't want to hear about that.

[Kate Casey]

They said that.

[Chandler]

They said on like that, like when they were falling in love, they were like, maybe it was during.

[Kate Casey]

Okay. If I was holed up in the cottage and he watched Disney movies, it's abort mission time.

[Chandler]

No, literally, like, something's weird.

[Kate Casey]

A lot of the stuff in Harry's book, I was like, like, do you remember the part where he said Meg had been on air Rwanda. And the stewardesses were like, oh, my God, you're Megan from Suits. I was like, they get access to the. The show. Suits in Rwanda, daytime show. I think he's just like a goof that we're just believes everything.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. And I think she is incredibly powerful and just. I think he just fell right under her spell.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Do we want to talk at all about their holiday card? Did you see that?

[Kate Casey]

Why put it out?

[Chandler]

I know.

[Kate Casey]

Also, so. Okay, let's weird. My sister, by the way, does this thing with her friends where they. Well, I don't know if they've done it in recent years, but when her kids were a lot younger, they used to get everyone's Christmas card stack and like on the New Year's Eve and then go through them and just like roast them. That would have been in the pile because it's all self congratulatory.

[Chandler]

So it's like the white savior picture.

[Kate Casey]

Like, everything in that is like, congratulating themselves on their charitable work. And then the kids from behind, from far away and who's taking that picture?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I just feel like they should do the photo shoot they really want. Have someone, like, create a studio with, like clouds on the floor. And they can both be, like, walking on clouds a la like, Jesus Christ.

[Kate Casey]

Because clearly that's the esthetic.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, you guys, it's the vibe.

[Chandler]

There are like three photos of them doing charity work. It's like the three different charity photos and then it's.

[Kate Casey]

Can you imagine if you. For just people we know in our regular life, if we got a Christmas card from somebody and it's them doing charity work, we would rip them apart.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Also, I think it's worth noting that it's on behalf of the office of Prince Harry and Megan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Archwell Productions and Archwell Foundation. We wish you a very happy holiday season.

[Kate Casey]

So do you think that they have another card? They send it out to, like, people they actually like? I'm gonna go with no, because I think they're paranoid about photos that they're getting out.

[Chandler]

I think this is all that got out this year.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

They would get so much more credit if they just put out a nice family photo and said, happy holidays. Love, Harry and Meghan.

[Kate Casey]

I think it's a control thing. Did you guys watch Polo? I think it's a series on Netflix.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I haven't watched it yet.

[Kate Casey]

Okay. Disappointing. First of all, it's about polo, and no one in the series explains to me how the game of polo was played. Okay, okay. Lots of their friends, I guess their executive producing it. Apparently it was he. What he worked on for the last, what year or something.

[Chandler]

Gosh.

[Kate Casey]

They're in it for three seconds, you barely see them, really. There's so much possibility, but you get the sense that you have somebody who has, like, their own view. Like, Meghan and Harry had their own view of what it should be. And the executives at Netflix were like, but no one will watch that.

[Chandler]

Yes. Well, I mean, to them, it's like, like, let's show how charity work can come to life through the game of polo.

[Kate Casey]

It's so weird.

[Chandler]

It's like, no one's gonna watch that.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, Sorry. No, I'm like, there's one guy, he's super hot, very muscular. His wife's probably a better polo player than he is. They're having a baby. But then I go down the rabbit hole. He was married before. Like, I need that.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Not even. Like, this is how many players are on the field. This is how long the game is.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Kate Casey]

This is how much it costs. Like, none of that. It's weird.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean, I feel like going back to their card and it being, like, from the office of the Duke and the Duchess. It's to me and like, the foundation.

[Kate Casey]

Did she say, like, Orchards Riviera?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

No, no, no, no.

[Chandler]

It's just Archewell Productions and Archewell Foundation.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I just think that it's. They are so attached to themselves as an establishment. Again, I really. I want to double tap on this. I think they would get so much more credit if they let the Duke and Duchess thing go. Like, if they didn't harp on it so much, if they didn't announce themselves as that so much.

[Kate Casey]

It's very Luann de la Sup. It's so luann. Yes.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Oh, my gosh. That is a great parallel.

[Kate Casey]

Can you imagine if Luanne and Meghan Markle were at a dinner party together and they were trying to out title each other?

[Chandler]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kate Casey]

See, I feel like good times.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I really do like Megan, but Megan's the type that would be Like, I don't watch Housewives.

[Kate Casey]

Yes, but she does.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

But she probably does.

[Kate Casey]

We know she does.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, but it's like, she just would be too good for it.

[Kate Casey]

But by the way, that's most people. I deal with most people, like, as soon as I tell them I cover reality tv, you know, I just don't really have the time. Five minutes later, they know every contestant on the Bachelor. And what do I always say? The smartest people watch reality shows because it's just a study of human behavior.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, so true.

[Chandler]

So true. It's so true. I don't have patience for people who don't watch, like, good reality tv, but they watch, like, terrible reality tv, like the Bachelor.

[Kate Casey]

Great. Agreed.

[Chandler]

Agreed. You know, like, that's where I'm like, that is actually, like, killing your brain cells.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. I don't watch Love is Blind, but I'll watch, like, the £600 person or.

[Chandler]

Whatever or Housewives or like that.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, they're all in the same pool of reality shows, just more one extreme than the other. It's like I'm too cerebral. I can't watch any reality shows. I'm like, you just told me you watch one.

[Chandler]

Right, right, right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah. Speaking of, I'm curious for your thoughts on the Vanderkn preboot of. Of them getting rid of the whole cast.

[Kate Casey]

Well, they had to, because the show was going nowhere.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You think?

[Kate Casey]

You cannot be on a show for 14 years. No one should. I don't care if you're a housewife, if you work at a restaurant. It's too much.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Just runs its course.

[Kate Casey]

I know everything about you. Yeah. There's nothing new. I got it. We're good.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

See, I feel like, and this is not my idea, what I'm about to say next. I've heard someone else saying this, and I agree with it. They should have just embraced the fact that they're like. Like, show Lala her new house and, like, her podcasting career and Sheena's pot. Like, show them actually what they're doing in their lives and let's actually just follow it rather than let's pretend you guys are all friends.

[Chandler]

Well, then it's like, they all should just be on the Valley, because that's what I feel like the Valley is.

[Kate Casey]

The Valley, to me, really is about a group of people that are in their 30s raising children in the same community.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And I don't believe, like, I know they just bought houses, but it feels very much like you just bought the house to be on the show.

[Chandler]

Yeah, totally.

[Kate Casey]

I Like it, where it feels a little bit more authentic. And I do feel like, listen, we saw them in their 20s, most of them are now almost into their 40s, if not over 40. Can't we just let another story be told? What has been missing on Bravo, I think is that 30 year old point of view of having a child. And you're still trying to have a social life and you're still trying to be connected to your friends and then you've got to have this romantic relationship with your partner. But then you have to be involved in all these like dumb parent things. Yeah, right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And, and also these people very much seem like normal people with normal jobs.

[Kate Casey]

I like that.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Influencer.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chandler]

So, yeah, their houses are normal too. Yeah, extremely normal.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

No, I'm, I'm excited and I, I do love the fact that Kristen Doty has made, you know, a triumphant return to reality.

[Kate Casey]

I'm always happy when anybody has a baby.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah, same.

[Kate Casey]

I'm so happy.

[Chandler]

What about quick thoughts on James domestic violence?

[Kate Casey]

I mean, just go off television, get some help.

[Chandler]

Yeah, Seriously.

[Kate Casey]

I hope Ally has a good support group that helps her realize that she needs to move on.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

We didn't get to.

[Kate Casey]

Well, there's one. This is a challenge for all of your listeners. I believe that Theresa Graves is the mother of Whitney Houston.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

They look identical. Their mannerisms are the same. Theresa would have had a baby at 15 years old if Whitney was her mother. And I believe that if that did happen, it was because some sort of dark situation happened. And a lot of women had children during that period of time in secret. And I know, I've interviewed an author who's talked about women that had babies in secret because they were pushed to do so. Teresa was an immense talent. She ended up joining the Jehovah Witness faith and basically lived a life of isolation. And I just wonder if on the backside of that is a lot of pain that came from placing a child for adoption and if it was the superstar that was Whitney Houston. So go and look at the video and pictures of the two of them.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I'm telling you, it is identical.

[Chandler]

I think for me too, it's the voice like, just like the speaking voice is really like, you know, we're sisters obviously and my other sister has a very similar voice to me that the voice is like really chilling. It's like you can't fake that. That's like, you just know that, that, yeah, those two, two people are related.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I mean they look like twins. It's giving Kaya Gerber and Cindy Crawford.

[Kate Casey]

I agree. That's a great analogy. Yes.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

We love you.

[Kate Casey]

I love you.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Thank you so much for coming. Yeah, we're gonna do this again. Let us know anytime you're in New York. We'll just, like, book you and we'll let you know. We're in L. A. Yeah. It's been so fun.

[Kate Casey]

Are you still in Puerto Rico?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, I'm living in Puerto Rico. I'm commuting now to New York to tape the pod, so.

[Kate Casey]

Very cool.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It's fun. I'm, like, making the most of my final child for years.

[Kate Casey]

Are you protecting your skin in Puerto Rico?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I actually think it's worse in New York because I just spend so much time walking outside, but in Puerto Rico, I'm just into an Uber.

[Chandler]

You're not a huge beachgoer in Puerto Rico?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I would say no, but honestly, the skin is not good. So I. I have some issues I need to work through.

[Kate Casey]

I've had most surgery two times, so.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You've had. Oh, you have.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, basal cell carcinoma removed. So. Yeah.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, well, I need to double tap on that offline with you because I need to know about the signs.

[Chandler]

Tell or tell our listeners where they can find you all the things about your show.

[Kate Casey]

Okay, so six days a week, reality life with KKC podcast Mondays. I tell you what to watch during the week. Tuesday through Friday, our interviews. Saturday episodes are with inspiring or interesting people. And then what to watch list is at katecasey.substack.com comes right to your inbox every Monday, bonus episodes on patreon and Instagram. AKCA TikTok. It's KateKasey everywhere else. Kate Kasey.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I'm just such a fan of the what to watch list, and I'm just such a fan of you. I feel like you have a very cerebral point of view, very smart and thoughtful, like, you dig deeper. You know, your show is not just another pop culture show. You know, stream of consciousness show. It's. It's very robust. So anyway, thank you.

[Kate Casey]

I appreciate that. Love you guys. Love you.

[Chandler]

I always feel smarter after our episodes, so thank you.

[Kate Casey]

You always say that.

[Chandler]

I literally always feel smarter. Always. I love that. Here I am, smarter yet again.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, well, hope our listeners feel smarter as well. All right, you guys, thank you so much for listening and we'll be back next week. Thanks, Kate. Hi, I'm Stassi Schroeder. On my podcast, I share candid updates from my personal life, chat with some of my best friends about what's going on in our lives, give commentary on the latest pop culture headlines, and sometimes deep dive into random topics I'm obsessed with, like human design. It's a bit all over the place, but that's how I like it. And you will too. Listen to my podcast, Stassi. Wherever you get your podcasts, Pluto TV.

[Kate Casey]

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[Unnamed Co-Host]

Me and TV fans like me. They've got something for everyone, and it's totally free. You can binge laugh out loud sitcoms like Frasier and rewatch cult classics like Higher Learning. Whether you're in the mood to solve a little crime before bedtime with NCIS or Tracker, or curl up with a surefire hit like Forrest Gump.

[Kate Casey]

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[Unnamed Co-Host]

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