278: Blake Lively Backpedals & Kylie Spills her CC's 🍒

Summary

Pop Apologists Episode 278: "Blake Lively Backpedals & Kylie Spills her CC's 🍒"

Release Date: June 4, 2025

Hosts: Lauren & Chandler
Podcast: Pop Apologists by PodcastOne
Description: A podcast by two sisters who care about celebrities as much as their family.

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**1. Travel Tales and Personal Updates (00:00 – 14:12)

The episode kicks off with Lauren sharing a humorous introduction about McDonald's new McCrispy strips, setting a light-hearted tone. The conversation quickly shifts to personal anecdotes about their hectic travel schedules.

• Lauren's Travel Nightmare (01:20 – 07:37): Lauren recounts a stressful experience flying from Orange County Airport to Newark. She describes being seated in the last row with no legroom, leading to sensory panic and feelings of being trapped. The situation worsens when the flight is delayed due to the plane being overweight, causing them to wait on the tarmac for two and a half hours.

  "I felt like a prisoner... almost like in Guantanamo." (02:38)

  Eventually, the situation improves when the flight attendants manage to free up additional seats, allowing Lauren and Ben to have the last row to themselves.

• Upcoming Move to Brooklyn (11:07 – 14:12): Lauren announces that they have signed a lease to move to Brooklyn, upgrading to a two-bedroom apartment with heated floors in the bathrooms. Despite excitement about the new space, she expresses sadness about leaving the Upper West Side and emphasizes maintaining connections with friends.

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**2. Legal Drama: Blake Lively's Lawsuit (16:02 – 33:03)

The hosts delve into the ongoing legal battle involving Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni.

• Withdrawal of Emotional Distress Claim (26:34 – 32:56): Lauren explains that Blake Lively is attempting to withdraw her intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress (IED) claims from her lawsuit against Justin Baldoni. This decision comes after Baldoni's legal team sought her medical records.

  "She doesn't want her medical records to be part of discovery." (28:54)

  Chandler adds that the withdrawal is likely a strategic move to prevent her medical information from becoming public, hinting at the possibility that her IED claims may lack substantial evidence.

  "This looks like backpedaling to me." (32:56)

• Justice System Insights (17:56 – 30:38): The sisters discuss the complexities of the justice system, debating whether the FBI's separate investigation into police misconduct related to the case should influence the trial. While Lauren believes the ongoing investigation isn't concrete enough to impact the trial directly, Chandler remains skeptical about the fairness and neutrality of the police's involvement.

  "There is no way that someone in that community who wants to come out against the police department can stay in there. It's like the mob." (19:25)

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**3. Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman's Romance (33:18 – 56:47)

The hosts shift focus to the tumultuous relationship between Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman, amidst public scrutiny and media attention.

• Red Carpet Dynamics (34:30 – 35:23): Sutton Foster made a red carpet appearance without engaging with reporters, raising eyebrows given the recent breakup Hugh Jackman initiated after decades of marriage. Deborah Lee Furness, Hugh's ex-wife, expressed her trauma and belief in a higher power helping her navigate the divorce.

  "Living in integrity alone... rather than being in a relationship with a man who's messing around." (54:12)

• Public Perception and Relationship Dynamics (35:29 – 56:47): Lauren and Chandler discuss the challenges Sutton faces in gaining public acceptance as Hugh’s new partner. They express skepticism about the genuine happiness portrayed by the couple, suggesting their relationship may be more performative than authentic.

  "Why do we love it? I think they're caricatures." (55:16)

  The conversation humorously touches upon Lauren's playful disapproval of Hugh Jackman while expressing support for their eventual wedding.

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**4. Taylor Swift's Night Out with Selena Gomez (56:47 – 43:56)

Though presented in a playful manner, the hosts discuss Taylor Swift's recent public outing with Selena Gomez.

• Public Appearance and Fashion Choices (37:00 – 43:56): Taylor Swift was spotted dining with Selena Gomez at an exclusive restaurant, Monkey Bar. Lauren shares her excitement about seeing her favorite restaurant populated by Taylor, while Chandler comments on Taylor's stylish attire, including a black mini dress and platform heels.

  "She wasn't a lot of jewelry. I did notice that in the article she was dripping in diamonds." (39:10)

  The sisters humorously speculate about Taylor's financial status based on the outing, with Lauren teasing about her potentially requesting to repay dinner expenses.

  "She could have absolutely spent a little cash when she thinks no one is looking." (39:35)

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**5. Kylie Jenner's Cosmetic Procedures (44:07 – 54:07)

Kylie Jenner becomes the focal point as the hosts discuss her openness about cosmetic enhancements.

• Kylie's Transparency (45:16 – 47:33): Lauren shares a reel where Kylie Jenner openly discusses her breast implants, revealing she had 450 cc’s, with a moderate profile and half under the muscle. Kylie also credits her plastic surgeon, Garth Fisher, offering transparency to her fans.

  "She feels very comfortable right now in her skin." (47:28)

  Chandler appreciates Kylie's candidness, highlighting the positivity of her confidence and the supportive relationship with her partner, Timothy.

  "Kylie feels very comfortable right now in her skin." (48:13)

• Body Positivity and Public Perception (41:17 – 44:30): The sisters debate the merits of bikini fashion shows as a form of body positivity, with Lauren expressing skepticism about their relevance in the age of Instagram. However, they acknowledge the positive aspect of showcasing diverse body types and ages.

  "These fashion shows, to me, are antiquated." (41:17)

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**6. Engagement and Future Relationships (50:18 – 57:31)

The conversation concludes with discussions about engagements and the allure of certain celebrity relationships.

• Engagement Highlights (51:13 – 56:47): Chandler praises Sutton Foster and Oliver Dashiell's relationship, comparing Oliver favorably to the fictional character Christian Grey. Lauren expresses her deep support for the couple, highlighting their genuine happiness.

  "I ship them a hundred thousand percent." (50:00)

• Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up (57:05 – 57:31): The hosts briefly mention upcoming episodes and express gratitude to their listeners, hinting at more celebrity discussions in future shows.

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Notable Quotes

• "I felt like a prisoner... almost like in Guantanamo." – Lauren (02:38)
• "There is no way that someone in that community who wants to come out against the police department can stay in there. It's like the mob." – Chandler (19:25)
• "These fashion shows, to me, are antiquated." – Lauren (41:17)
• "I ship them a hundred thousand percent." – Lauren (50:00)

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Conclusion

In this episode of Pop Apologists, Lauren and Chandler navigate through a mix of personal anecdotes and hot-button celebrity issues. From Lauren's travel woes and their upcoming move to Brooklyn to dissecting Blake Lively's legal maneuvers, analyzing the dynamics of Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman's relationship, celebrating Taylor Swift's friendly outing, and applauding Kylie Jenner's transparency about cosmetic procedures, the sisters provide engaging and candid commentary. Their blend of humor, personal insight, and sharp analysis offers listeners a comprehensive look into both their lives and the ever-evolving world of celebrity culture.

Transcript

[Lauren]

McCrispy strips are now at McDonald's. Tender juicy and its own sauce. Would you look at that.

[Chandler]

Well you can't see it but trust me, it looks delicious.

[Lauren]

New McCrispy strips now at McDonald's.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, well, well. We are back for another edition of Pop Apologists. Chandler, welcome. So good to see you.

[Lauren]

Welcome to you. You look bronzed and glowy. I'm serious, you look like sun kissed and beach refreshed.

[Uba Hassan]

I did land from St. Bartholomew this morning about two hours ago. I landed and I am getting on another plane in about three hours. So I'm flying to Utah today. So it's a very hectic day for me. But thank you. This tan is primarily artificial, but I appreciate the compliment nonetheless.

[Lauren]

Well, I can't outdo you with that schedule but I did, you know, I landed about 36 hours ago from a hellish day of traveling back from California and I'm wait. And I'm leaving again in one hour, basically two hours.

[Uba Hassan]

I guess I saw a flight, I saw a little bit on Instagram but then I was, you know, busy so I didn't, or I don't know if you filled everyone else in. Did you, did you finish the tale?

[Lauren]

Oh my gosh, Lauren. Oh my gosh, Lauren. This journey day, this travel day, this hell day. Okay, well let's begin. We have to, you know, we book a flight from Orange County Airport to Newark and that was, that was kind of ideal because I hate doing lax. The other option is San Diego and it's just the both of those airports are very far. So we booked a local airport flight all the way nonstop back to New York. We paid a premium for this. All right. After the wedding we went to.

[Uba Hassan]

Because SN A airport is not lax so it's a little, it's more expensive to fly out of there.

[Lauren]

Correct? Correct, Lauren. Well, when we get on the flight, Ben says oh, we're row 34. And I think okay, towards the back. We're in the back. Once I pass row 27, I realize the rows are running out.

[Uba Hassan]

So you could be the final row on this vessel.

[Lauren]

Exactly, we could be the final row. It dawns on me, I don't say anything and then kind of turns and I think he said like these were the only seats next to each other. Which is, which is sweet. Cuz I definitely don't like to sit apart for sure. But I wasn't really given the option. I didn't, I didn't know that this was, you know, what was in store for me. So I see that we're in the very last row and I'm like, okay, it's fine. I can do this. You know, it's a non stop five hour flight. You know, five and five hours, 30 minutes. We sit down, I have no leg room. There's no, definitely no reclining, and I have no leg room at all. Like, it kind of started to make me panic. Like, just sensory wise, like, panic, because I was like, I, I felt like a prisoner. Like, I'm like in almost like the chokey where it's like I have no space. And I also had, like, I couldn't move. I had no space. And I, and I, and I knew I had to sit in this seat for the next five hours. Ben is very chivalrous and he always takes the middle seat and I always take the win.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay. I mean, Ben for president. Ben gets a lot of props from the listeners and I think he deserves them. But wow, what a gentleman. I mean, can't get as many strengths, but he would never.

[Lauren]

Well, we kind of started. We were, we used to trade off and then like, something happened where I just always took the window seat and he never said anything. And so sometimes I'll be like, oh, do you want me to take the middle? Kind of half heartedly. And then he doesn't take me up on it. But anyway, you know, I think he knew that I was like, I was not doing well and he had booked these, these seats, this flight. So we go, we find, we sit down. You know, I'm starting to talk myself off a ledge because I'm like, am I gonna have my first panic attack? You guys, I, I fly economy all the time. I, I've flown first class, like less than four times my whole life. I am not. And I'm not too good for economy. I just. The last row of seats, I think also on United is so grim.

[Uba Hassan]

It's bearish.

[Lauren]

It's. It's bearish and it's, it's prisoner. Like, it's, you know, it's like Guantanamo and definitely.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah, a lot of people would say that.

[Lauren]

A lot of people have said that. Anyway, the, the next guy who's sitting on the aisle, okay, he's got to be 6 4, and he's a bigger guy. He's like, like, like, just like tall and like.

[Uba Hassan]

And Ben is also not, you know, small of stature. And so Ben is a broad man. So you are really, like, caged in, suffocated.

[Lauren]

And this is, this is when I started to feel like, am I going to have a nervous breakdown? Panic attack for the first time in my life. Like, am I going to need to like find a Xanax on this flight? Because I like, it's the type of thing where you can't really bend down, bend over at all because you, there's not enough room for your body to extend. So obviously, like by the time we get to our seats, it's like the plane is locked in. Like, you know, we should be ready to go soon. Well, 20 minutes go by. The pilot comes on and he says, you know, we have, this flight is very full and we are overweight. And so we are, we are going to hear back from the, you know, dispatch or whatever about what we should do. So we're trying to wait to hear what our plan of action is.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay, who here ate too much at lunch?

[Lauren]

I was like, I know I've just been at a wedding for a couple of days, but this feels, you know, this feels pretty, pretty rude. But I guess I think it's actually mostly due to luggage because the flight was completely full. So. Oh man. Lordy, lordy, give me the strength to tell the rest of the story. We then, you know, I won't, I won't drag this out. But what was supposed to be, you know, a 45 minute delay turns into two and a half hours and the.

[Uba Hassan]

Plane is so hot on the tarmac.

[Lauren]

Sitting on the tarmac in my, in row 34 because the planes are so.

[Uba Hassan]

Hot when they're on the tarmac because they can't, for whatever reason, the AC can't come on until they're taxiing on.

[Lauren]

Honestly, whoever is in charge of Boeing, Airbus, Lufthansa, like, can we figure this out? Because I, I was wearing a tight long sleeve shirt and a bralette. Okay? And I was like, I have to take off my shirt right now because I thank God I was wearing a bra. I took off my shirt. I was.

[Uba Hassan]

So you took off.

[Lauren]

Stop. You can kind of tell in the.

[Uba Hassan]

Photo I post posted you were only wearing a bralette. Yes, Lauren, like you could have been arrested for indecency. No. Was it lace bralette or was it like.

[Lauren]

No, it was like a, it was a very frumpy bralette. So, so I don't think anybody was looking twice. And you know, once again, you know, you now with your new chest, you would get arrested. Me. Not again. Not getting arrested.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay, well, thank you so much for outing me, Chandler. Well, well, you know, I've discussed this on the premium episodes, everyone. And you can hear more details about, about that there. Yes, honestly, that's insane. I cannot believe that. You must have been so. Felt suffocated.

[Lauren]

Well, so then, yeah, I absolutely felt suffocated. I really was having to, like, take deep breaths to try not to start crying.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

At one point, like, Ben kind of is starting to hit a wall. Thank God. The flight attendant comes up to us at, you know. Right. Right. As they. They're like, okay, you know what? We're going to actually take some fuel off the plane, and then we're gonna have to make a stop now in Cleveland and refuel because we can't basically fly with a full tank of gas because it's too much weight.

[Uba Hassan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lauren]

So then we add. We get added. You know, we. We add a stopover and. But then, thank God. So they're like, okay, we're gonna get. We're finally gonna get off the ground. It's been two and a half hours. They tell the guy next to us, there's a seat up in the middle of the plane if you wanna move. So then they move the guy and he. He moves. So then Ben and I have the last row to ourselves. And that. That was my saving grace.

[Uba Hassan]

Did you and Ben continue to sit next to each other?

[Lauren]

No, of course not. No, we both, like. I. I put my feet up on the middle seat for the whole plane ride.

[Uba Hassan]

If that had been the case, I would have not wanted you to share it because that would be very unlikable.

[Lauren]

I. I was trying not to pick a fight over what he'd done because I just needed to vent. I needed to release the emotion that I was feeling. But I knew it wasn't his fault that we were stuck there and you buried the lead.

[Uba Hassan]

What had he done?

[Lauren]

Booked us these seats.

[Uba Hassan]

Oh.

[Lauren]

Oh.

[Uba Hassan]

Gotcha.

[Lauren]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Uba Hassan]

That was his error. That was his. That was his sin.

[Lauren]

Grave error. Wow. Okay.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, I'm so happy you made it back. You finally had some space. And one more thing.

[Lauren]

The worst part about traveling, in my opinion, is trying to feed yourself on these flights. You know, so we're in the very last row. They. It's been, you know, an hour of them trying to do snack service. And, you know, they give us our one bag of pretzels and a little ginger ale, and I'm like, I'm now starving. Because this whole day has been evaporated, you know, know, by our delay. And then this flight. And then you just, like, feel like a rat because you're like, okay, I'll take all three of the snack boxes, but all three of the Snack boxes have the most measly quantities of all the food. So it's like I'm scraping the bottom of the hummus container for 60 calories worth of hummus. It's. It's awful. Lauren.

[Uba Hassan]

It's food for ants. The portion sizes. It's for small children. And you. Do you feel both corpulent and still hungry as you're eating? Like, so many, so many of them, but you're still not satisfied and you feel disgusting?

[Lauren]

No. Exactly. And if you have a broken brain like most women, you're then gonna also shame yourself for the amount of food you've eaten, even though you've probably had max 400 calories. Right.

[Uba Hassan]

You're like, I am. I can't control myself. I'm being judged by everyone around me. There's trash everywhere. I'm a filthy animal.

[Lauren]

I've just spent $30 on snack boxes, and everybody knows it. Anyway, Chandler, it was grim.

[Uba Hassan]

Instagram. And you're hopping back on a flight. What are you flying to Utah?

[Lauren]

United. Again, United. But I did book myself row seven. So I will be, you know, I will be towards the front of the plane. Thank God. And it's just me.

[Uba Hassan]

Thank God. I am flying American. And I do feel like I'm risking the biscuit flying American because I have a connection. I'm flying from Puerto Rico to Utah today after this recording, and I feel like American is just kind of unreliable. Is what?

[Lauren]

Do you agree? What. What airline? I don't even know about American. I know. I know. I just never fly it. I won't. I don't even think I have an account with American Airlines. That's how, like, that's how desolate things must be booked. American.

[Uba Hassan]

It was only flight I could get that would work. With this schedule and recording a stunning episode for our listeners, we just want to say, first of all, everyone, thank you for being here. Thank you for listening to this show. Thank you for potentially listening to our episode on Juicy Scoop, which was so fun.

[Lauren]

It was so fun. I literally. I don't know, I'm just so proud of us. It was, like, such a dream come true moment.

[Uba Hassan]

I'm proud of us, too. I'm pretty sure I gave mostly incoherent answers because I was quite nervous and, you know, would stumble over my words. But I'm so happy we did it. And it was a major bucket list experience, so. Heather was amazing. She was so sweet.

[Lauren]

Lauren, you did a great job. Also, I think that we always kind of have amnesia after we get done with one of these Guest recordings where we like Blackout and we're like, what did I even say? Was it good? I've listened to the episode. You sounded.

[Uba Hassan]

Oh, you listened.

[Lauren]

Of course I did.

[Uba Hassan]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lauren]

First thing this morning.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay. I love that you listened. I love that you are not so sick of our voices that you can still listen back. Because for me, I just, I've heard us speak so much in my times on this show that I tend to avoid it if I can.

[Lauren]

Let me be clear. You have to QA all of our episodes before they go live. So you are listening to twice, if not three times the amount of, you know, us content that I am.

[Uba Hassan]

That's true. I have a little more, I have a little more trauma than you. Should we move on to the celebrity topics?

[Lauren]

Well, I kind of want to share another update in my life.

[Uba Hassan]

Oh, wait, are, are you sharing your update?

[Lauren]

Why wouldn't I share? Why wouldn't I share?

[Uba Hassan]

Everybody, I about. Okay. I don't know what update you're about to share. I feel like a lot is moving for Chandler right now. I'm just so excited that you're finally sharing so something.

[Lauren]

There are moving parts happening within my body, within my life, within my lodgings. Everyone, we have signed a lease and we are moving to Brooklyn at the end of this month.

[Uba Hassan]

Chandler got a beautiful apartment. It is so stunning. It is a two bedroom, so you're going to have much more space.

[Lauren]

It's a total upgrade in a lot of ways. It's, it's, it's definitely an upgrade. There are obviously downsides. You know, anytime you move to a new spot, you know, you're not going to have the exact same, you know, perfect everything as the place that you're used to. But it's a total upgrade. Like, we will have two bedrooms now. We are gaining about 300 square feet. Okay, so just everyone lock into that. Just imagine that in your mind's eye. 300 more square feet for me. Whoa.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, well, I will say also though, that is almost double your current apartment. Right?

[Lauren]

We are doubling. We're doubling our house. We're renovating, we're doubling our house. I don't know, I need to think of a richer way to say that. But yeah, I mean, we were very excited. We will be like a little bit, you know, further away from public transportation. Right now we're kind of spoiled. We're very close to an express train and other trains, but it's worth it. Like, we, we need more space. You know, we're looking to have a little bit of a nicer space. And this will be that. It's in like a. A brownstone type building, but it's all been renovated, so we were actually going to be the first people to move in there. This could mean, I don't know. I, I don't know what to expect, But I'm very, very excited.

[Uba Hassan]

Chandler has heated floors in her bathroom like I do in both bathrooms, probably.

[Lauren]

Bathrooms.

[Uba Hassan]

Both bathrooms have heated floors.

[Lauren]

That's a plural for you. Wow.

[Uba Hassan]

I mean, that is a true luxury. I'm so, so happy for you. I think you do have another announcement coming soon, but we're gonna wait on that one.

[Lauren]

More announcements coming soon. Multiple probably. We went to the apartment yesterday, took a look at everything and like, the bathtub is really spacious. It's just, in a lot of ways it's going to feel so, so, so much better. But yeah, I'm sad to leave the Upper west side. I have amazing friends here, very close. And so it's, it's gonna be, you know, we're gonna have to make sure that we come back here all the time.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, you can write letters to them.

[Lauren]

Exactly. So, yes.

[Uba Hassan]

So they'll remember you. They'll see you on Instagram.

[Lauren]

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[Uba Hassan]

Should we move on to the celebrity topics at hand today?

[Lauren]

Yes, please.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay, let's get into the first one, which is. Well, actually, I want to talk a little. Karen Reed. Can we.

[Lauren]

I mean, please.

[Uba Hassan]

So did you see the police officer that Alan Jackson subpoenaed and called to the stand?

[Lauren]

I don't know if I caught this after I left the Southern California Karen Reid headquarters. You know, that is our mother's house where she just has the trial, you know, playing out loud all day long. Yeah, I didn't catch the latest.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay, well, I'm here to keep you abreast. So there's this police officer that apparently gave Steven statements to the FBI that indicated that she believed that there was foul play on. On the part of the police, that there was some, like, colluding.

[Lauren]

Okay, just so everyone knows, the FBI opened up a separate case, I should say a separate investigation into the police department to look into the gross misconduct and, you know, potential. Yeah, I mean, foul play, whatever you want to call it. And so that's been happening in the background of both of these trials, but that case is not supposed to play a role in this trial. It's supposed to be, like, kept totally separate. And it's not supposed to be a.

[Uba Hassan]

Which I find to be kind of insane because I feel like it's a pretty material information, if I'm on the jury, that the FBI is investigating this police investigation, that, to me, seems like relevant information. I don't know. I don't know why it can't be included.

[Lauren]

I agree with you. But I also think that because the Investigation hasn't concluded and there's no concrete findings as far as I know that it's not like they can, you know, look to that as, as hard evidence or truth. And the other thing is that I'm sure if they were to find her guilty and then the FBI investigation were to come back and you know, find the police department guilty of some gross misconduct or something, I'm sure that that would be a, you know, just a very smooth road to an appeal for Karen Reed.

[Uba Hassan]

Good point. That is a good point. There are many ways of the justice system that I'm not privy to as just a layperson and a non officer of the court. So I will defer to the, you know, the, the people who make the laws of the land. But the thing I will say is that this police officer who gave these statements to the FBI, so Alan Jackson called her as a witness and she was very hostile to, to Alan Jackson and basically like she is walking back those statements and it seems like she has been basically like turned by the rest of the officers. That is how Alan Jackson is kind of painting it. And it's pretty convincing. So this case just continues to confound.

[Lauren]

I wish that we had the time and the bandwidth to do like a trial series on this because I am so gripped by it and there's not enough people, I think, honestly, doing trial recaps about it. And like I, I'm struggling to get all the information that I want and.

[Uba Hassan]

This may be a missed opportunity, truly, because they are televising it too.

[Lauren]

I know, I know. What I want to say about that though, Lauren, is. I just think that any person who wants to come out in defense of Karen Reed, who's a part of that community will have to move. There is no way that that someone in that community who wants to, you know, come out against the police department, I think can stay in there. I like, I just think it's too, it's just too much like the mob or something.

[Uba Hassan]

It's a mob with a lot of amnesia. Okay. Because this mob can remember nothing. When Alan Jackson is questioning her, she all of a sudden can't remember anything she said before.

[Lauren]

Maybe there's something in the water there. Because also Colin Albert, you know, has true memory issues for a man his age.

[Uba Hassan]

I think that the collective amnesia happening in Canton should be studied. Truly. Something is going on there. Yeah. And it's funny because she's like, I can't remember. Just like you can't remember my name. I can't remember like she snaps at Him. So. And again, it's like the police should be neutral parties. They should not be, like, taking sides here.

[Lauren]

And if you are really hostile to, I think one of the attorneys, especially the defense, I think it makes you look bad as a witness. I think you should just be as neutral as possible because then it shows that you're, like, just being truthful. You have no dog in the fight.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, especially though, as a police officer.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Uba Hassan]

Where you should just be. Yes. Someone who just seeks justice in all ways, in all forms. Anyway, that is the Karen Reid update. I did watch a little bit of the Valley.

[Lauren]

Oh, yes, please. Let's talk about it. I'm not as caught up as you, so tell me what's going on.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, I just have one question for you. I'm not completely caught up, but I watched the first half of the last episode, and we're talking about. We're talking about not Jesse. It's Nia's husband Danny. There's a lot of drama over this swig of tequila in the closet and the pantry. Swig of tequila. Truly, it was the swig herd all around Santa Barbara. Him shutting the door. Janet just feels that was like, a very odd thing to do. It created a moment where. So basically, for our people who have not watched, Janet says one of these friends on this trip, that he came into the. The pantry while she was there, he closed the door, and he took a big swig of tequila.

[Lauren]

Does anything sound worse? For the record?

[Uba Hassan]

So gross. So disgusting. But men do that, right? Like, some men do do that. People have different drinking bits, whatever. And then when they drink, they don't, you know, whatever that. That. That is done. So the thing that I. That I find to be so interesting about it, though, is to me, it just seems like parting behavior. It doesn't seem like. It doesn't seem like this nefarious activity where he, as Janet says, created this secret between them. And, you know, she felt like now she needed to keep this secret. Maybe you just, like, don't want someone to see you taking a swig directly from the bottle. What do you think?

[Lauren]

Thank you for asking. I actually thought that the explanation was a lot simpler. As far as I remember, I thought that he said that, like, the. The tequila was, like, on the hanging or on the wall behind the door or something. And so you had to, like, physically close the door in order to, like, retrieve the bottle or something.

[Uba Hassan]

My gosh.

[Lauren]

And I. I believe he said that or something like that. I think why it is being made into this huge deal is Two reasons or two reasons. Janet is a studied potster. She did this last season. She is, she's watched shows before this. Like, I'm pretty sure she admitted to watching Housewives or something. So she's. She knows what to do. She knows what, like, what to bring. And then the other reason is because, you know, there was this moment between Jasmine and her fiance and him on Halloween where he was too drunk and he totally, you know, misbehaved and, like, crossed a line with her and he, like, touched her butt and he said, go get Daddy a drink. Like, I think that he might be the personality type where he does drink too much and he might turn a little bit into someone you don't want to be around when he drinks. I don't believe Danny has a drinking problem, but that is now the entire storyline is becoming this season. It's like Jesse Michelle's divorce, and it's, you know, Danny and his drinking issues. And I, I, I just, I just think it's. It's not true. And I think it's very, very, like, grave for Janet to be like, you know, I have a friend who's dealt with addiction, and it's like, okay, we're really now, like, going into, like, very sensitive territory. And I think you are just, you know, I don't, I don't believe that's true.

[Uba Hassan]

Nia was explaining that she was homeless with her mother and that they would camp in their friend's backyards, sleep on couches, sleep. Sleep in her car, dig through the.

[Lauren]

Trash for, like, bottles to, like, really, really, like, awful stuff. Like, for a kid to go through.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah. Extremely traumatic stuff. And for Janet to use that moment in the conversation to then compare Danny's drinking to her, her ex, who had a drug and alcohol problem, to basically say, okay, and also your husband's an alcoholic. And it's just, again, it's like, it's all for the sake of the show. And I just feel like a little bit this season. I'm kind of tired of the plot lines. They don't feel, they don't feel like, like Britney becoming unglued at Nia for not being honest that Danny was passed out drunk by just saying that he was sleeping. I just feel like it's a. It's feeling a little contrived is all I'm trying to say.

[Lauren]

I totally agree. I, I totally agree that it's feeling contrived. And I also think that if you were really friends with somebody, you would not just throw around the addict, alcoholic, you know, like, Language. And it's just fully like, now we're gonna have our on camera moment, so I gotta, you know, turn it up.

[Uba Hassan]

Mm, no, exactly. Exactly.

[Lauren]

So.

[Uba Hassan]

But we will continue watching and we will continue reporting back on the Valley. Everyone worry not.

[Lauren]

Do you have anything you want to say about Jesse calling Michelle a. Like, that stuff is real, that. No. You talk about someone who has a drinking problem who, I think, who's like, who turns cruel and terrible when they're drunk. Like, look at Jesse. I think, you know, he might not be an alcoholic, but he maybe isn't the personality type of someone who should drink a lot because he turns into a monster.

[Uba Hassan]

I don't even think it's the drinking, though. I just think he is a monster, personally.

[Lauren]

Yeah, totally. I just think he might just be that way naturally.

[Uba Hassan]

And it's. It is really sweet to see how happy she is now because I remember, like, watching last season when they were still together and he seemed really into her and she kind of seemed like, just like massively not into him. Just didn't like him and so over him and really unhappy. And it is kind of amazing to just see, like, how her. How she lights up and is so happy now with Aaron. It's just sweet to see.

[Lauren]

I agree. And I think we're, like, seeing new sides of her personality. Being married to Jesse would be a nightmare.

[Uba Hassan]

It's just interesting, though, because last season she didn't say, like, this season she is saying, he never told me he loved me. He never would call me pretty like he. She was. She's saying all of these really horrible things that you would feel as a wife if your husband did that. But I feel like last season we weren't really privy to that. Maybe because she just wasn't sure that they were going to get divorced. So she wasn't sure if she was going to, like, you know, air out their full dirty laundry and why she was so unhappy.

[Lauren]

I bet that's exactly like her reasoning. I also wonder if it's like, hey, I didn't know how I was going to come across this season. Now she has, like, fans behind her and she might feel a little more comfortable being, like, super honest about it, you know?

[Uba Hassan]

I completely agree and I think she's probably. Yeah, she's just, like, loosening up being on the show longer. Anything else from the Valley you want to get into?

[Lauren]

No, I want to talk about the latest with Blake and Justin. What came out yesterday. Okay.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay. Yes. What came out? Please fill us in.

[Lauren]

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[Uba Hassan]

So interesting. So, so basically she doesn't want her medical records out there, correct? Yes.

[Lauren]

So basically because she doesn't want, you know, her medical records to be part of discovery that now she's going to, you know, remove this, this claim from the lawsuit. And what's interesting is that there's a little bit more technicality here. So she's According to Justin's side, she's only willing to withdraw her claims without prejudice. Which, in other words, means that she wants to simultaneously refuse to disclose the information and documents needed to disprove that she suffered any emotional distress and. And. Or that Wayfarer parties were the cause. And I think this is the part about, you know, without prejudice. But she also wants to maintain the right to refile her IED claims at an unknown time in this or some other court after the discovery window has closed. So basically, she wants to, like, withdraw the claim now, which is, like, now they're in the time of, like, discovery, collecting evidence. They're requesting her medical records. But she, you know, so she's like, okay, you can't have my medical record. So I'm going to, you know, withdraw this claim without prejudice. But I guess if you do it with prejudice, that means that you can no longer, you know, you can't bring it back into the court again, if that makes sense.

[Uba Hassan]

I'm trying to follow. I'm doing my best, basically.

[Lauren]

So, okay, so the filing goes on, you know, to say, if Ms. Lively wants to withdraw her frivolous ID claims, the Wayfarer parties are entitled to a dismissal with prejudice. This is like the term to ensure they will not be refiled. So it's basically like, okay, well, if you're going to withdraw this claim, let's withdraw for good. You can't bring it back, you know, once the discovery window is closed, and we can't have done our proper due diligence on our side of things, which makes sense. Right.

[Uba Hassan]

But you're saying that she still can bring it back, or they're saying, no, you cannot drop this if you. If you want. If you intend to bring it back at some point.

[Lauren]

I think they're right. Now that's like, what the judge has to decide is like, can she file?

[Uba Hassan]

Gotcha.

[Lauren]

Can she withdraw without prejudice?

[Uba Hassan]

I feel like Blake Lively is 100% the bad actor in this scenario. Okay. I am Team Justin. That said, I wouldn't want my medical records, you know, released to the public as an A list celebrity. And that's if they go into discovery, they're going to get leaked, right? Yeah. And so maybe there's some stuff in them that she doesn't want to be public information. This, to me, is not that insane of information. But is there something I'm missing?

[Lauren]

Well, I. I want to just also say that this is what her lawyers kind of said about this. They said, once again, this is a routine part of the litigation process. That is being used as a press stunt. We are doing what trial lawyers do, preparing our case for trial by streamlining and focusing it. They are doing what they do, desperately seeking another tired round of tabloid coverage. So basically, you know, they're just saying, like, we're just making sure our case is really cut and dry. My only thought there is, like, if her case is already kind of flimsy. And so I think removing this kind of, like, also removes a little bit of the validity to her claims. But I don't know. I don't. I honestly, I feel like I don't know enough, like, about all of the claims. And, like, there's just so much here that I have to, like, I could only, I feel like, look at it from a very top level view. And I do think this, like, removes some of the validity, but I also understand not wanting to have your medical records published. And I know that Brian Freeman would have a heyday with that. And it was, you know, like, it's going to be a circus.

[Uba Hassan]

I wonder, though, if, like. Because maybe there's nothing weird on her medical records. Maybe they just show her pregnancies, a. I don't know, a boob job or two. Who knows? Maybe it's just very standard. I know. Yeah. All the plastic surgery we know about, maybe it's pretty standard. Maybe there just honestly isn't much evidence that there was this infliction of emotional distress. And so there was never meeting with a therapist. There was never just any, like, there's nothing backing this up. There's no documentation backing this up. And maybe that's actually the reason they're dropping it. They know they're not going to win it, and they're using maybe the medical records as some sort of, like, I don't know if red herring is the correct term, but just some sort of way to say, okay, this is why we're removing this.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Either way, maybe this is too reductive, but, like, it looks like backpedaling to me.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, we will be following this case till the end, everyone. Till Blake and Justin decide that it ends with them and they get their day in court. So we look forward to that. Should we move on to someone Blake knows? Okay.

[Lauren]

Yes. A previous friendly relationship.

[Uba Hassan]

I'm talking about Sutton Foster.

[Lauren]

What are you talking about? I'm talking about Taylor Swift.

[Uba Hassan]

Let's get into the Sutton Foster information. I think it's just a little funny. And then let's move to Taylor. So everyone, Sutton Foster, Hugh Jackman's new brunette flame, who he, you know, he broke up his family to be with Sutton Foster and left his wife of three decades. Anyway, Sutton Foster has made a red carpet appearance, but she apparently did not take any questions from reporters. And this comes in the wake of Deborah Lee Furness seemingly shading Foster's romance with her with Hugh, her ex. Deborah gave a quote where she described feeling traumatized by, you know, the betrayal she's experienced. She says, I believe in a higher power and that God slash universe, whatever you relate to as your guidance, is always working for us. This belief has helped me navigate the breakdown of an almost three decade marriage. Any thoughts?

[Lauren]

Well, so basically she has a red carpet appearance. She doesn't stick around for questions. She quickly ducks out after this. I mean, right, they're under fire right now and you know, we better see another car in and out, drive through makeout real quick here or else we're going to think trouble is in the water.

[Uba Hassan]

I feel like for them, if I was their publicist, I would say we don't want to see any of you guys right now. Like just don't step out in public together. Like, yeah, you can obviously go to dinner but we're not doing any paparazzi stuff. Like we are just keeping a low profile and letting this, letting the, this dissipate. Right. Because obviously people are very Team Deborah as they should be. And I think it's going to take a while for people to accept Sutton as Hugh's new, you know, new, new wife, new woman, whatever.

[Lauren]

Right. You know who's really Team Deborah? Our mom, Deborah. Our Deborah. Our Deborah is extremely.

[Uba Hassan]

Is she, have you talked to her about this?

[Lauren]

Yeah, I feel like she was just like, it's horrible what he did to her.

[Uba Hassan]

Well, what's crazy to me is that Sutton also has an 8 year old daughter with her ex. So they both like were married. You know, both broke up their families.

[Lauren]

We've talked about this before, but I have seen their looks in this play. It is not sexy. Neither of them look sexy. I don't know, it's just like I, I guess like the forces of romance and lust were stronger than those costumes.

[Uba Hassan]

I mean, I just think Chandler, let's be honest, I did see the pinstripe suit and bowler hat that Ben packed for your honeymoon. He knows what you like, he knows what you like him to dress up as to get, to get it going.

[Lauren]

Trouble, River City. I just like can't even imagine singing those songs and then like getting your freak on.

[Uba Hassan]

I can't imagine you singing them either. After that two second preview. I Cannot imagine.

[Lauren]

It's like, it's the least sexy musical ever, but, you know, I guess, no.

[Uba Hassan]

I mean, yeah, we make a special pass on this podcast for Lauren Sanchez, but that's really it for us as. As far as people who, you know, whose relationship. Relationships were forged in infidelity that we approve of.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Uba Hassan]

So sorry, Sutton. It can't be you.

[Lauren]

Sorry. And, like, I think, yeah, it's gonna take a long time. Also, she doesn't have. I don't know, I don't feel like she's done enough red carpet appearances and really won the public over.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay, do we want to talk about Taylor?

[Lauren]

Absolutely. I want your thoughts on this because our group chat was. Was lit up about her night out, everyone. She stepped out with Selena Gomez. They went to Monkey Bar. It's kind of nice when she goes to a restaurant that I've been to, because I'm like, I can picture her there. I can, you know, think about it for 20 to 25 minutes. I was happy to see her, you know, nearby.

[Uba Hassan]

Is. Is Monkey Bar hard to get into. Is it very exclusive?

[Lauren]

It's pretty. It's pretty exclusive, but I think you can, like, walk in at five and maybe get a table for two. It's. It's another place in the city where you can get a great blue cheese martini.

[Uba Hassan]

So it's not the corner store?

[Lauren]

No, I don't think so. No.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yes. I don't know. I'm not sophisticated. Remember? Remember?

[Uba Hassan]

So true. Thank you for that reminder. Can you tell me what the news is here? Because I don't really know what we are discussing. Just that she stepped out, she was wearing a black mini dress, the platform heels.

[Lauren]

Her taking another appearance.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And this is Post buying her the masters. You know, this is her. Yeah, just her living another day on God's green earth.

[Uba Hassan]

That is. Honestly, I have a hot take, which is that I thought the dress was very cute.

[Lauren]

I did too.

[Uba Hassan]

She looked very cute.

[Lauren]

So here's what I'm going to say. I mean, the dress could have been fitted a little bit better to her body, but I think we get much worse looks than this. And I did not like, I would have worn that dress. I would wear that dress. I didn't love this. Like, the heels were a little, like, stripper for me.

[Uba Hassan]

I struggle with a platform heel. I didn't love the purse. But all in all, nothing about it was gravely offensive. And for that, we should be only in a place of gratitude. We should be Melissa Wood Helsing with this experience. Just full Full gratitude moment. Full zen, full meditation.

[Lauren]

Thank you, universe, for working for our team.

[Uba Hassan]

Thank you. Yes, thank you, universe. Apparently, she was wearing the TNT tennis bracelet that he got her. So Taylor and Travis are still going strong. We love to see it.

[Lauren]

I love it. I mean, I don't have much to say about the tennis bracelet other than that it's great to see it on her wrist again. Or still.

[Uba Hassan]

Do you think Selena do. I know. You know, it's a little tough to figure out what to say about her wearing that, but I think you did a good job.

[Lauren]

She was. She wasn't a lot of jewelry. I did notice that in the article she was dripping in diamonds, which I love to see.

[Uba Hassan]

Obviously. Do you think that Selena paid for dinner because Taylor now is a little bit hard up for cash.

[Lauren]

Totally. Taylor was like, hey, can I. Can I venmo you next month?

[Uba Hassan]

Do you actually have an after pay option? A monkey bar? Is klarna possible here for sure? She asked that? Yeah, I just made a big purchase. Okay. I'm a little cash poor these days, but I'm music rich.

[Lauren]

Who among us hasn't been a little cash strapped at a. At a dinner with friends and, you know, bit off more? They can chew more than they can.

[Uba Hassan]

Chew, especially while they're dripping with diamonds. I mean, you gotta make that purchase somehow. Can't leave much in the bank. I've been there, girl. Okay, you guys. Bethenny Frankel has hit the Runway in a beautiful. It's a beautiful swimwear. One of the swim looks was a thong. And she has clapped back at criticism because some people thought, what does your daughter think, seeing you strutting around, okay. In such scantily clad apparel? So Bethany took to TikTok to respond to the naysayers. And she said that the peanut just facetimed me. And she said, mama, I saw you. You did so good. She said, you have such a cute tush, Mama. You look like you're 30 years old. Bethany continued, so we know how my daughter would feel. Bethany explained that the fashion show is an excellent way of her teaching her daughter and other young girls about the importance of body positivity. She's at an age where kids have hormones and they're developing and it's the skin and it's the bodies, and they're not used to their new bodies. They're not controlling their own skin. And other kids can be so cruel. I wish she were there with this group of friends because, like, the body positivity in the women owning our bodies was really Just beyond thoughts.

[Lauren]

I'm so sick of bikini fashion shows being sold to us as body positivity. Like, you know, marathons. I. You know, just like, the comments about, you know, what does your daughter think of you in this bikini? Like, these fashion shows, to me, are antiquated. Like, we don't even. We didn't even want to cover the Victoria Seaver fashion show because it was just like, I don't know.

[Uba Hassan]

This is.

[Lauren]

This just feels like it's from a past time. It's from a previous life that we don't really care about anymore. And I think I was trying to uncover why. Why does it feel antiquated? It's not like. It's not like I'm anti people in bikinis. I think the reason is, girl, everyone's got Instagram. We already know what you look like in a thong bikini. This isn't like, some big reveal to be like, these are the most, like, these are just, like, some hot bodies and bikinis. I just think we know what Bethany Frankel looks like in a bikini. I don't. I didn't feel like we've seen it. It was some big reveal. Yeah, we've seen it. Like, her and Bryn are constantly dancing in bikinis on the beach in Miami.

[Uba Hassan]

That is true. I will say I'm with you in so much that I don't need another swim fashion show. I honestly could do without the entire Sports Illustrated industry, although I'm sure it does provide value for the economy and many jobs. However, is the culture, you know, better because of it? I would say no. So I don't know.

[Lauren]

I'm with you.

[Uba Hassan]

I think they're kind of trashy, tacky, embarrassing, antiquated.

[Lauren]

Who cares?

[Uba Hassan]

But there is part of me that's like, I like seeing, you know, someone who is older, you know, than their prime. Like, loving their life, loving their body, embracing it. So there is a part of me that was kind of charmed by the whole thing, if I'm being completely candid.

[Lauren]

Okay. And I. I'm glad that they had, you know, all different types of bodies and all different types of ages, like, in the show. I think that's what they should be doing. But, yeah, I just. This. It doesn't fascinate me that much. It's not. It's not that. Like, also, I'm never like, oh, I need to wear that bikini. I don't know. All the bikinis are never that cool to me.

[Uba Hassan]

It's just a marketing thing.

[Lauren]

Right. Like, and also, for the record, I know what Alix Earle looks like in a bikini. I could sketch her body from memory.

[Uba Hassan]

I always think about that. I always think about how, like, back in days of yore when. When everyone, like, was fully clothed at all times. How. And there weren't even photographs, right? So really, like, there were only, like, illustrations of the nude form. Just how exciting it must have, must have been to, like, like, show your naked body to someone. Like, if you're, like, getting it on in, like, the 17th century, like, that is like, like as you undress, like, that is so much more exciting than now. Like, we've just seen it, you know.

[Lauren]

I think there were trade offs with that. I think people were smelly.

[Uba Hassan]

I don't think I want to go back. I'm just saying I think that there must have, like, it must have been more exciting.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Uba Hassan]

Don't you think?

[Lauren]

Yes. Well, even think about, like a, you know, a woman in a painting, this is really where I'm gonna show how unsophisticated I am. But, like, with her with her shoulder showing, you know, like, how sexy that was. Like, it's literally like everything but, you know, nipple tassels are out.

[Uba Hassan]

Right? So true. And with the way we're going, it's going to be nipple tassels pretty quick.

[Lauren]

Here before we know it.

[Uba Hassan]

Before we know it. What else was I going to say about this that I thought would be just truly delightful for people to hear? I can't remember. Should we move on?

[Lauren]

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[Uba Hassan]

No, I didn't.

[Lauren]

I think I sent it to you on Instagram, so maybe you didn't.

[Uba Hassan]

Okay.

[Lauren]

But basically. Sorry. Let me find it. Kylie lists the ccs. She lists off the doctor. Over or under the muscle? Yes. And said, like, this helps. Yeah, it's like all over.

[Uba Hassan]

What did she say?

[Lauren]

I'm gonna find it.

[Uba Hassan]

What did you.

[Lauren]

What were the CCs? What were they? It was like. I think it was like 450. I'm gonna get to this.

[Uba Hassan]

We need details. Chandler. Gosh.

[Lauren]

Wow. I thought that was, like, honestly amazing.

[Uba Hassan]

It is incredibly refreshing, I will say. I remember her talking on. On Keeping up with the Kardashians, about how she had, like, really, really beautiful breasts that were like natural breasts for her body, but then she got bigger implants and. Or like, big implants and she really regretted it. So maybe she got her boobs redone. So I'm. Yeah, now I'm dying to hear how much. How many were there?

[Lauren]

She said 450 cc's, moderate profile, half under the muscle silicone. And then she also put Garth Fisher, who's the plastic surgeon who did them, and she said, hope this helps. Lol.

[Uba Hassan]

I mean, if you are Garth Fisher's wife, I think it is a moment to. To spend some money. Cha Ching. For sure. Is there something you've been wanting? Because this is a great day for Garth to feel a little flush. Right. I bet you he is. That Arthur is getting called off the hook.

[Lauren]

Right? Sexy name for a plastic surgeon too.

[Uba Hassan]

I mean, sexy name, period.

[Lauren]

Sexy name, sexy name, period. 100%.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So my. Giving me some ideas, my other extrapolation from this little moment from her, I think when you're in a really secure relationship and you feel very good about yourself and you don't feel ashamed of, like, being a Kardashian, like, I think you are comfortable sharing these things and I, I think like not to like congratulate or like make this about her boyfriend but I do think Timothy must make her feel quite at ease so that she can share. Yeah, I had plastic surgery. Like she's not like, oh, I, I don't know. I think that sometimes your relationship can make you feel more shame about like you've had done or work you haven't had done. And I think that this just reveals that she feels very comfortable right now in her skin.

[Uba Hassan]

I, well what I was going to say is I think Kat's out of the bag a little bit on that she's had plastic surgery so like probably wasn't like giving her the green light. But I do think that you're right because he could have made her feel a certain way where she's like, I don't want to draw any attention to this.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Uba Hassan]

But he clearly doesn't. Which we just love from an art world because it would be way more, I think it would track way more if he was just all about all natural, you know, yada yada yada.

[Lauren]

Like if he wanted to distance himself as much as possible from like the Beverly Hills of it. All. Right.

[Uba Hassan]

I find Timothy and Kylie to be just the most surprising couple and the most refreshing way. Like they continue to just really, really shine.

[Lauren]

For me it has been a personal healing journey for me. Healing journey. Oh really? Because.

[Uba Hassan]

Journey.

[Lauren]

A healing journey because I started off with this relationship hating it and I think I was just like she's trashy. He's too sophisticated for her. And now I don't, I don't think either are true. I don't think she's trashy. Like she's maybe not like my particular cup of tea, but I like her actually I like her and I, you know that was my own like self righteousness.

[Uba Hassan]

I think that like there is definitely something where not to get too serious. But I think a lot of times like we see women who are very, who look a certain way and we just assume a lot of negative things about them.

[Lauren]

Like 100.

[Uba Hassan]

Elizabeth and I were discussing this about how like if you're too blonde it can say some bad things about you potentially. Like if you go like even just being too blonde can potentially just communicate not great things, you know, and there's just like all these judgments we make about people and I love that Timothy is way more evolved than, than us.

[Lauren]

Too behind the literally now literally so much more evolved. I'm, I ship them a hundred thousand percent. I hope they like, I hope they like go the Distance. I would love that.

[Uba Hassan]

I hope they get. I hope they get married for all time and eternity. Speaking of. Speaking of, can we discuss Uba Hassan?

[Lauren]

Yes, everybody. Mr. Connecticut, which I believe she stole from me because Ben is Mr. New York, for sure. Uber cheater brand and cheater brand. So nothing is funnier than cheater brand.

[Uba Hassan]

I think it's more dumb than cheater brand, too. It's like, okay, she can't make an alcohol. Like, give me a break. Did you know Bethany blocked us on TikTok, by the way? No, you were that. Yeah, I know, but we're not blocked on Instagram, so. Remember when Bethany talked about how, like, she gets so many flowers, like, when she's single, it's just like her house is a florist shop because of all the suitors.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Uba Hassan]

We kind of roasted her over that.

[Lauren]

And, I mean, that's a block I have literally zero issue with, with our behavior in that scenario. So no regrets, but back to uba. Back to uba. She is engaged to Oliver Dashiell, another hot name. Ding, ding, ding.

[Uba Hassan]

Dashiell. Dashiell.

[Lauren]

I mean, sorry, not as a first name, as a last name, as a first and last name. You know what I'm saying?

[Uba Hassan]

Correct. Oliver is extremely hot. Oliver is an extremely hot name, and he's an extremely hot person, period. Have you seen photos of this man, Joan?

[Lauren]

I have. I have. Yeah.

[Uba Hassan]

He is model hot. He's giving Christian Gray. Okay.

[Lauren]

He is.

[Uba Hassan]

Oh, you don't think he's stunning?

[Lauren]

I. I mean, I think he's attractive. I mean, I feel like I don't think he's given Chris Christian around.

[Uba Hassan]

Are you nervous right now? I'm like, just be honest.

[Lauren]

And it has a gun to my head. No, he's very hot. He's very hot. I don't know. Christian Grey, to me is like, yeah, no. Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. You win. He's Christian Grey. Fifty shades of Oliver Dash.

[Uba Hassan]

He's even better than Christian Grey because Christian Grey is a little too, like, model Y. Like, he's like, dad, like, warm, like, super gorgeous. Also beyond successful.

[Lauren]

He. Yeah, like, Christian Grey wants a sex room in the basement, and he wants, like, you know, a place to, like, study out the golden retriever and, you know, read Vox by the fire.

[Uba Hassan]

Read Dickens by the fire, for sure. And I feel like.

[Lauren]

I just.

[Uba Hassan]

I also love. He's so broad of stature. I feel like they look so good together. Yes, they do. Like, I. I just personally feel like we get fed so many narratives about men that fit this Type. You know what I mean?

[Lauren]

Right. Mr. Connecticut's who are just like, you know, going from escort to escort.

[Uba Hassan]

Exactly. Just wanting to. Yeah. You know, date. Date hot young things forever. And so I just feel like I love seeing Uber get, like, a true equal, I think, like a really. Because she's so stunning. She's such a powerhouse, such a cool woman. And I just find. I find him. I'm clearly very impressed by him, and I just love this for her. Like, I love seeing him down on one knee in those beautiful photos. She looked so happy. Jill Zarin commented God had a plan, and I felt like that was maybe a little much. No, do we need.

[Lauren]

I love it. Literally, I'm worshiping. I'm. I'm at a worship service when I see that comment. I'm into it.

[Uba Hassan]

I feel like that's a good comment to text, but publicly, it's like, I.

[Lauren]

Feel like it's a little like you were old.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah, exactly. It's just. It's just a little like. Like, what she should have said is, God had a plan for him and he's so lucky to have found, you.

[Lauren]

Know, like, if somebody had commented that on my engagement post, it would have been like, we were all praying for this to happen.

[Uba Hassan]

Exactly. Exactly. But maybe God did have a plan, because this is a beautiful couple and I just. I love it.

[Lauren]

God has a plan for Deborah Lee Fuhrman, and God has a plan for UBA Hassan Furness.

[Uba Hassan]

Furness.

[Lauren]

What was her Deborah Lee Firm. Furness. Excuse me.

[Uba Hassan]

I think you're thinking of Joel Firman Eat to Live. That was a book I. I read in high school. I told you all.

[Lauren]

I think it's because she also is always with her. Like, it's. Her name is always printed with her middle name. So I just, like, stop reading after her middle name.

[Uba Hassan]

Honestly. Worksoft. It's a way to live. Even when reading multiple, multiple word names. And Deborah Lee Furness. God has a plan for her. And I, I love what she said. Going back to Deborah Lee, I love what she's. What she said about being like, what is important is living in integrity. And like, that, like, she feels better now that it's done and, like, she, you know, it's broken. It's not. Not that she feels better that it's. That the materials happen, but, like, it's like, you would rather be living in integrity alone and, like, have your. Your dignity and, like, be living in truth than being in a relationship with a man who's, like, fucking around. Like, I'm sure Melinda Gates was for a long time. So that's a hot take.

[Lauren]

It's such a good burn, too, to Hugh Jackman.

[Uba Hassan]

Such a good burn. I mean, Hughes fall from grace. I didn't want to hate him, but I think I do now.

[Lauren]

I know I do, too. I'm grossed out by him.

[Uba Hassan]

Why do we give Lauren a pass and we don't? Why, like, why do we do that? Do we need to go backtrack on a live girl?

[Lauren]

Lauren, we are in this. We are on this road. I'm not interested in hearing alternate narratives. I'm not interested in changing my viewpoint. And if you want to do that, you can do that on your own time. But this podcast, we do find grace for Lauren Sanchez and Jeff Bezos. Let's at least. Let's at least, you know, stick it out through the wedding with this grace, because we got. We need to cover the wedding.

[Uba Hassan]

I think we love it because she just seems so. I mean, this is so wrong, but she just seems so happy, and they seem so happy, but something just seems happy.

[Lauren]

No, I think, why do we love it? I think, well, me, I think they're like caricatures.

[Uba Hassan]

So, I don't know, more entertained by their lives.

[Lauren]

I'm so much more entertained. And she's so entertaining to just, like, watch, exist. And so I'm just like, keep it going. Like, literally keep it coming. I will keep popping the popcorn with everyone else. It's like, oh, this is a real family. I know.

[Uba Hassan]

Yeah. McKenzie. Well, also, I will say in our defense, Mackenzie gave us nothing, you know, in terms of everything. I mean, and they gave us so much, so much.

[Lauren]

So our over.

[Uba Hassan]

Thank you. Thank you, Jeff and Lauren. You are welcome on the pod anytime. We would love to have you, Hugh and Sutton. We'll have you as well.

[Lauren]

We will. Anything else, Lauren, you want to get into? Before we conclude this stunning episode, you.

[Uba Hassan]

Guys, I just want to say thank you everyone who listens. Apologies for not having my hair done properly today, for being a little ragged, worse for wear. I like to have a perfect curl, and I do not today.

[Lauren]

Well, thank God you came clean with everybody. And, you know, we will just. We will accept you just this once.

[Uba Hassan]

As you are, you guys. Love you so much. We will be back on Friday with a mini and on Monday for. With a full episode for global elites and back on Wednesday with another free episode for all. All of our beautiful pop apologist listeners. Love you.

[Lauren]

Love you. Bye.

[Uba Hassan]

Bye.

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